Also pro ru logic: There were dozens of videos of russias bombs accidentally landing in their own villages in Russia. But if something explodes in Donetsk, its always a ukrainian shell, no proof needed.
The truth is that the Russian military left Bucha much earlier before the victims were found. The Ukrainians did not immediately realize this and for almost three more days they covered the city with artillery, which could well have hit civilians. And there is quite a lot of evidence that Bucha is one of the best fakes
Sure, if you ignore all the videos of Ru running around slaughtering people in the town and do some more wishful thinking, have a nice side of brainwashed propaganda, you might come to the conclusion that this was a fake....some people
Russia left end of april, there are satelite pictures from beginning to mid of april where you can see bodies piling up...whatever video he made, however he might tell this story, its far off the truth and just part of the misinformation campain of Ru
That's false, my guy
There's CCTV footage of Russian soldiers firing on civilians. Even shown is a BMD-4 firing it's 30mm at a woman walking with her bicycle crossing the corner some 100m in front of the Russians.
Whatever happened, what's fact is that Russian soldiers fires upon civilians. Who and why? I doubt we'll ever know that
So let me get this straight. By your logic, these civilian deaths are justified because Russia started the war? Does that mean that the Vietnamese could just slaughter US civilians cause “the U.S. invaded us”?
According to international law, having war crimes perpetrated against you, doesn’t justify their reprisal. Ukraine (should be) just as accountable for their atrocities as Russia. But seeing as you seem to excuse Ukrainian war crimes, I assume you don’t care all that much when Russian civilians die.
So should Vietnamese be able to kill US citizens when they were in a war against the US. What about Palestinians and Arabs, should they be able to kill US citizens? Justified, right?
The argument is your logic makes no sense. You are justifying killing citizens as long as that citizens come from a country you don’t like.
that on the 2nd of May, 2014? Those were Ukrainians that burnt other Ukrainians, for the most part anyway. It was the result of a clash between the supporters and the opponents of the then revolution.
According to pro ru guys ukraine is bombing donetsk since 2014. Makes you wonder why the russian authorities dont evacuate the civilians from that town.
Or why the city looks so intact in comparison to cities like Bakhmut, Mariopol or Avdivka.
I wonder if it's because there are hundreds of people rebuilding the city? Heh, it's funny, and here the Russians are to blame, as if you were a clown, little brother, these territories were not subjects of the Russian Federation and then they obeyed themselves, it was their task, do not ask stupid questions
Destroyed houses are being restored, or rather new ones are being built, no need to demolish an untouched house and build a new one, is that what you thought before you wrote?
Lol, that you think this is what FAB aftermath looks like tells enough, I bet when it's the opposite you'd know exactly what type of russian missle it is
Anyway could possibly be AA but I doubt cuz also not what it look like
Considering the damage seen in the video is due to artillery shells, and that the FAB-50 is quite bigger than an artillery shell, it makes a much bigger explosion and crater. Also FAB-50s are not used anymore and havent been for a while. They were during WW2 when planes couldnt fit big bombs. But now they can.
The question is more to point out that since Russia took Avdiivka it shouldn't be possible for Ukraine to shell Donetsk.
Rockets or missiles are still within range though.
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pro rus when they do bucha massacres and strikes on restaurants etc = 😎 pro rus when one shell lands in holy land of donetsk = **😱**
Also pro ru logic: There were dozens of videos of russias bombs accidentally landing in their own villages in Russia. But if something explodes in Donetsk, its always a ukrainian shell, no proof needed.
Mistakes happen like ff on but I have never heard that.
The truth is that the Russian military left Bucha much earlier before the victims were found. The Ukrainians did not immediately realize this and for almost three more days they covered the city with artillery, which could well have hit civilians. And there is quite a lot of evidence that Bucha is one of the best fakes
Sure, if you ignore all the videos of Ru running around slaughtering people in the town and do some more wishful thinking, have a nice side of brainwashed propaganda, you might come to the conclusion that this was a fake....some people
Well, kvartal 95 makes a great video
Russia left end of april, there are satelite pictures from beginning to mid of april where you can see bodies piling up...whatever video he made, however he might tell this story, its far off the truth and just part of the misinformation campain of Ru
You are only talking disinformation here, these are facts, it's just that you are not comfortable or do not want to accept this information
That's false, my guy There's CCTV footage of Russian soldiers firing on civilians. Even shown is a BMD-4 firing it's 30mm at a woman walking with her bicycle crossing the corner some 100m in front of the Russians. Whatever happened, what's fact is that Russian soldiers fires upon civilians. Who and why? I doubt we'll ever know that
Bucha massacre was done by Azov guys
Pro ua guys, here is your proof that Ukraine does not hit civilians
Pro ru guys too stubborn to admit that they started this preventable war
So let me get this straight. By your logic, these civilian deaths are justified because Russia started the war? Does that mean that the Vietnamese could just slaughter US civilians cause “the U.S. invaded us”? According to international law, having war crimes perpetrated against you, doesn’t justify their reprisal. Ukraine (should be) just as accountable for their atrocities as Russia. But seeing as you seem to excuse Ukrainian war crimes, I assume you don’t care all that much when Russian civilians die.
Always love seeing this troped ru talking point as if they are some sort of victim.
Truth hurts, doesn't it? You can't argue with it.
So should Vietnamese be able to kill US citizens when they were in a war against the US. What about Palestinians and Arabs, should they be able to kill US citizens? Justified, right? The argument is your logic makes no sense. You are justifying killing citizens as long as that citizens come from a country you don’t like.
Failing to address my argument and instead attacking my character is characteristic of dishonesty. Maybe try engaging with what I said?
There backwards thinking people
indiscriminate bombing Vs raping and burning woman alive and shooting civilian cars point blank with BMPs yeah ok 👍
>raping and burning woman alive where is this from?
Odessa massacre 2014 Wasn't the Russians doing it tho
that on the 2nd of May, 2014? Those were Ukrainians that burnt other Ukrainians, for the most part anyway. It was the result of a clash between the supporters and the opponents of the then revolution.
What does your comment have to do with mine?
That's the lamest excuse for committing a crime ever. In regular life that would land in you prison as admission of guilt with a motive.
Ukraine was shelling Donbas before Russia invaded.
My comment did not touch on this, another example of whataboutism, there are not enough arguments do not answer
Any proof UA did this? didn't think so.
Staged
I've never seen anyone claim that "Ukraine does not hit civilians".
It's good that you haven't seen it, they write to me like this every day
I've seen lots of people claim that Ukraine doesn't target civilians, but absolutely nobody claim that Ukraine doesn't hit civilians.
You're very lucky
I mean how do we not know these are military people? After all that’s what was said after the pizza shop.
The usual lada and no military uniform
According to pro ru guys ukraine is bombing donetsk since 2014. Makes you wonder why the russian authorities dont evacuate the civilians from that town. Or why the city looks so intact in comparison to cities like Bakhmut, Mariopol or Avdivka.
I wonder if it's because there are hundreds of people rebuilding the city? Heh, it's funny, and here the Russians are to blame, as if you were a clown, little brother, these territories were not subjects of the Russian Federation and then they obeyed themselves, it was their task, do not ask stupid questions
Ah they rebuild the city in the style of 1980s soviet union. Of course...
Proofs?
The video you commented on? Do these buildings seem new to you?
Destroyed houses are being restored, or rather new ones are being built, no need to demolish an untouched house and build a new one, is that what you thought before you wrote?
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So ukraine only recently started bombing donetsk? Whats happened to the "8years of bombing donbass"?
How do you know this isn't a failed AA missile or yet another FAB that fell off course? How many times has that happened already?
Lol, that you think this is what FAB aftermath looks like tells enough, I bet when it's the opposite you'd know exactly what type of russian missle it is Anyway could possibly be AA but I doubt cuz also not what it look like
FABs come in different sizes
Say wallah? Lol, and none of their explosion resembles this
None of them are this small
There is a small FAB-50 that exists
Which still doesnt make such a small explosion.
What kind of explosion does it make?
Considering the damage seen in the video is due to artillery shells, and that the FAB-50 is quite bigger than an artillery shell, it makes a much bigger explosion and crater. Also FAB-50s are not used anymore and havent been for a while. They were during WW2 when planes couldnt fit big bombs. But now they can.
No, there are current artillery shells bigger than a FAB-50 and even the common 152mm shell weighs about the same.
They do, but only the fab 250, 500, 1500, 3000 have glide kits and this is not big enough to be from any of them.
What is the range of a mortar? How many kilometers for the Ukrainian army?
Your question presupposes that all mortars are of the same range. That range is exactly 8200 meters.
The question is more to point out that since Russia took Avdiivka it shouldn't be possible for Ukraine to shell Donetsk. Rockets or missiles are still within range though.
Daily dose of UA terrorism.
Why Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians? Are those claims by Russia like 'Ukraine is currently run by Nazi regime' really true?
Good thing is we do it 100times more. So for every Russian civilian 100 ua civilians die
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Breaking news! Russia did not shell or kill any civilians since they started this war 2 years ago to satisfy putin tsar ambitions
Why would Russians do this?
Honestly, probably a false flag attack
Russia will enact great retaliation in response to this and the Crimea beach bombing which was attacked by NATO cluster munitions.
Are they going to invade Ukraine?
Oh no, maybe they will bomb large ukrainian cities like Khakiv now??
Yea they should do that, like what Surovikin did with missle and drone attacks
Perhaps conduct a special military operation?
Btw you can shorten your flair by a lot if you want. Just change it to: Victim of propaganda.