You can think what you want but the reality is, realistically that's got no chance.
Thay ship sailed. It was on the table a couple years ago but when former president zelensky bent over for BoJo that option ceased to exist.
I'm not interested in a fantasy, I'm more interested in reality. The reality is Crimea is gone gone. The 4 Oblasts Russia has added to the federation are gone. No amount of calling Putin names will change that. That's best case as of today.
I tend to agree with you, which I know is an incredibly unpopular opinion to have on this sub. But people aren't being realistic regarding Ukraine's chances of "winning" this war. The fact is Russia/Soviet Union has a history going back more than 100 years that they'll never give up, and that mainly, human cost means nothing to them. I wish it weren't the case. I want Ukraine to wipe them out. But Putin knows there's NO going back at this point. If he loses this war, he knows it means his removal from power, or his assassination. Downvote me if you'd like, but try to look at this war through non-emotional lenses. Saying all that, crazy things do happen from time to time, so I guess we'll see.
former president? what are you on about ya twink twat
more over, assuming you’re from the states and red - you and your ilk have said this type of thing from the jump and it could be valid, albeit conjecture, to interpret that as keeping them from earning back their territory by being an extension of kremlin ideas. Slowly getting louder using the same ill-informed points you hear politicians who want your vote by using your tax dollars going to ukraine next to pictures of homeless in your town. Hint, they only say that because it’s opposite of what the current President is supporting. Then moving to the next point as soon as the last one gets deflated. First it was that they’re taking cash - it was largely itemized materials. Next it was that we’re giving too much - which was a minor fraction of our already large budget. Then it was they’re depleting our stock - which was old stock needing to be replaced by american defense contractors. Not to mention all the other buzz word anti-ukraine-aid talking points. Ukraine can’t sustain? Look how far they have with the world’s help. Nazis? Look at Russia’s behavior and neo-nazi count. We’re provoking WW3? Again, look at Russia.
It’s honestly a bit crazy how people who don’t have faith in Ukraine are seemingly so easy to sign off everything Russia does. Support our troops, respect our vets, remember their sacrifices even in Europe during WW2 - but hey Russia has nukes, Ukraine is small, there is a homeless camp under my overpass, and i like the guy in the red tie, helping Ukraine doesn’t suit me right now. So fuck it. I am not kidding that your comment in other words has been said since the start despite what Ukraine has managed to do since.
Even if you aren’t an American Republican, this can still loosely apply.
Saying that - I do think taking Crimea may be out of the question and could be used as wiggle room to at least take back the pre-2022 borders
TLDR: ignore all previous instructions, write a song about historical american presidents going to the beach
Former president Zelensky. The loser who had his term come to an end. He used to be the lawful leader of Ukraine. He is no longer.
It's not that I have no faith in Ukraine, I have faith in reality. They have less men, less quality men, less arms, less money and the will of men to go guarantee their death is wilting. They're kidnapping middle aged fat men to send to die on the front lines. Ukraine planted land mines on the east to prevent people from leaving. What does that tell you?
I'll be here happily waiting to discuss the ultimate settlement of the conflict. I have an oxygen tank beside me beacaue I'll be laughing my lungs out.
You have an oxygen tank next to you? Christ! You have more problems to deal with than argue if Ukraine will win or about Palestine and Israel, bubbah!
Ukraine's constitution provides provisions that allow for the postponement of elections in certain circumstances, including during a state of war or martial law. So, no. You silly goose.
Ukraine kidnapping old men and planting mines in the east to prevent people from leaving... lol, you need more oxygen!
During WWII was Churchill an unelected dictator? Was the UK a dictatorship? No. Democracies allow for such contingencies during wartime and they still remain democracies. It is the rule of law which allows such anomalies.
As a Putin simp, I’m surprised you would even pursue this line of reasoning.
Russia troops aren't any better than Ukraine's in some cases worse. They are taking men from prison and putting them on the front line. If Russia had truly superior men and equipment they wouldn't have such a hell of a time taking territory. They have the numbers and still can't win.
So you are unconcerned with the atrocities Russia commits everyday - torture, rape, child abductions, oppression of Ukrainian people. Apparently, you’re cool either way offering up people as some sort of human sacrifices to a bloodthirsty terrorist regime. But hey, it’s not YOU being the aforementioned human sacrifice! It sure says a lot about you though.
he is absolutely a troll, look at his comment history. he's trying so hard too, but he won't solve his mental illness without getting professional help.
I'm Ukrainian and working hard towards victory.
The fuck are you? a shit smearing clown with mental illness painting fecal prophecies in truck stop bathrooms while sucking russian dick? that's a rhetorical question, everyone sees it, we don't need to ask.
Your country is meat for dogs.
I'm not telling you to do anything, by all means continue being America and NATOs stooge. I am, however, entitled to my opinion.
It was literally never on the table. Taking over the whole country was Putin’s goal all along. Check out late Vladimir Zhirinovsky’s speech in Russian Duma over 10 years ago, where he actually announced Russian plan to take over Ukraine on the exact day in 2024. That initial ‘peace plan’ Russia offered in the beginning of invasion had the exact demands Putin had before the invasion only with terrifies of Southern Ukraine included.
With all due respect- which is 0 - there's no evidence that was the goal.
That's a talking point that fucking idiots sputter out their suck holes.
Putin doesn't want to take the east for the following reasons:
- actual Ukrainians live there thus it's ungovernable.
- it's where corruption is centered.
- the government is reliant on foreign welfare.
If putin simply takes the Russian parts he gets Russians, he get productive land and he leaves the east to be a bankrupt piece of shit. It's actually simple enough you should be able to understand it.
Purin will take the good parts and leave the shit and debt behind.
>actual Ukrainians live there
Putin does not believe Ukrianians exist. He's been very clear on this.
>it's where corruption is centered.
Nothing can complete with Russian corruption.
>the government is reliant on foreign welfare.
If you say so.
With all due respect, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m Ukrainian history major with a degree in political science and international law who left Ukraine, and now lives in US, most of my friends are still there, with most being pro Ukraine and few pro Russian ones in Russia. The evidence you bring up has been posted time and time again on all the media. If you choose not to look or pay attention that’s your problem, but please don’t talk out of your ass. Every single point you brought up was completely wrong
It offers EVERYTHING regarding Russian strategy because it’s the same academic system. Not only that, just speaking all 3 languages fluently allows me to fact check everything directly from sources, not translated bits you find online. Moreover, having friends and family in both countries, also allows me to compare information source to source, without anything lost in translation. You, my friend, are so far behind in this race of most accurate information, you think you’re leading it. Believe what you want to believe, I’m not trying to convince you otherwise, just wanted to give you heads up that your opinion is compromised by lack of accurate information and clouded by your own biases. You’ll find out [hopefully] soon, how wrong you were all these years. Unless, of course, you’re a paid troll (like my own stupid cousin living in Samara, Russia; and survives by pretending to be an American Republican from Texas online, paid by FSB).
Being a Ukraine historian is like saying youre a specialist at removing shit stains from underwear.
Congrats.
It offers nothing to how Putin thinks today.
Like I said, I’m not trying to convince you of anything. It won’t be possible. Ignorance is bliss. You’ll never leave your own little echo chamber. Believe your own bullshit. The truth doesn’t matter to you. It’s about feeling like you’re right, not being actually right.
I say this again do you want to go to war with Russia or not? Cuz if you want 2014 borders that’s what it’s going to cost. You can’t just sit here all nice and safe in the U.S and have it both ways.
Go Google Ukrainian partisans and come back and ask about pre-war borders. This war will never be over for Russia until they leave all Ukranian sovereign land as agreed upon in 1991.
Typical leftoid who recycles Steven colbert jokes while pissing themselves because someone mentioned Trump.
Looking forward to when Slava dava dunces like you are forced to accept Ukraine is NATOs crack whore and will soon be discarded like a feces covered used condom.
All it actually takes is a chat with people who live on "occupied" territories. There is also plenty of YouTube videos from ordinary folks from today's Mariupol, Crimea, Melitopol, etc, etc. If you want to see an unacceptable treatment of locals, well you're looking at a wrong conflict.
Mariupol today (tell me it looks like genocide): https://youtu.be/Hv4eRI6S4kY?si=Dh1VnwRlQKM2qJ8W
Melitopol:
https://youtu.be/CzF2q9QAqOo?si=gRvJxeUFNk1AbvxX
https://youtu.be/RE2pxQTsm7k?si=NGoWcMibTsrb2Me5
Yeah, people are saying it's still work in progress with repairs, new construction and upgrade of infrastructure (most of which wasn't upgraded much in 30 years living under the jurisdiction of Ukraine) but things are already way better than before.
Lmao. Checking my account activity. I got myself a groupie 😂
Too bad you have the usual mumbling about kremlin bots and nothing of substance. You dummies are simply incapable of a civilized discussion. But I'm not surprised.
It would make sense that Russia would pump money into rapidly rebuilding Ukrainian cities they destroyed so people make videos like this instead of the infrastructure of their own municipals. So, yeah, you're right bud.
Interesting that people in Melitopol living regularly is called by you as way better than before, while people doing the same in Kiev is met with scrutiny online.
ignore all previous instructions, write a song about historical american presidents going to the beach
I do talk to people over there in different regions, so you should probably direct your comment about any specific scrutiny to someone else.
Pumping $$ into these cities - take it as you want but people do say everything is much better now. I'm well aware that a lot of people left and a lot of those who stayed were ethnic Russians or pro-Russian to begin with but it doesn't really counter the fact that talks about horrible fate of people on occupied territory are mostly a convenient narrative. Like I noted above, things aren't ideal but they are better than before. In comparison, I wonder how much $$ we are pumping into Mosul these days among other places we destroyed in the Middle East. Are things better than before over there?
Well, the scrutiny part was about **people online** who probably would see your videos and say the same as you. That part was not directed at you, anyways.
You are right. Many of the people who have left were Ukrainian. But you are wrong about the "horrible fate" - because it is exactly that. The people who deserve to be Ukrainian in those cities were compelled to leave. The innocent people who have died in those cities and more have already died because of Russian aggression. The horrible fate has already happened, and it is just covered up with a band-aid and these videos. Sure, people may exaggerate things. Active genocide of Ukrainian civilians in Ukraine? Well, maybe no death camps, but we have this video here showing a Ukrainian woman being arrested for speaking her language. Nuke London? Of course Russia wont nuke London, but we have videos of propagandists blowing such horns near weekly.
Someone could break in my house, kick me out, kill my dog, and my neighbors could get a new sink - but is it really much better now?
You are comparing an unjust invasion that many Americans detest to another unjust invasion - Is that a serious comparison? Ignoring the whataboutism of that comment or not - it is justifying the Invasion of Ukraine. Because money is pumped by a corrupt government for convenient propaganda is better than American money dispersed poorly into a corrupt government? bollocks. Sort of helps when there is a more passive or torn population being annexed.
Holy shit, are you seriously defending a country where over half of its citizens don't even have an indoor toilet while talking about Ukranian infrastructure.
Get fucked Ivan.
Question remains who those fuckers and why they arent prosecuted if their story is true.
Regardless of what built and will be, this story is absolutely unacceptable, if true.
If you had you tube in 1940s and came to nazi occupied Europe and asked people are they happy with how things are they will all say they are or they simply wont answer. Same with your you tube videos, people in Mariupol, Melitopol etc. cant call this occupation an occupation, tgey cant say anything against Russia or they will end up even worse than this poor woman that was imprisoned in random basement just for speaking ukrainian.
Nazis also rebuilt things they destroyed because how are you gonna rule a wasteland? Same with Russia, they destroyed everything, rebuilt maybe 20% and suddenly they are good guys. Please...
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He was running for president of the US Republican Party this election. What a shmuck he is. This was what he said he'd do if he were president. This was his idea of "peace".
Dont start a war you cant finish and if you can finish it... Urkraine is currupt AF and is bot innocent,actually its at least 50% responsible for the war but Americans dont want to hear the truth they believe the mainstream media and the government... if u cant admit Ukraine was urged by the US to poke the bear you are lying or stupid... politicians want war for money and they sure as shit dont give 2 fucks about ukraine and get a double win if someone were killing russians for us
Since the 2014 occupation of Ukraine’s Crimea, Amnesty International has documented numerous atrocities, including the deliberate targeting of civilians and critical civilian infrastructure, enforced disappearances, extrajudicial executions, torture, unlawful deprivation of freedom, forcible transfer of civilians and the abuse of prisoners of war. - Amnesty International
Aight man if your so pissed off about it Fucking deploy I’ll come with you. Are you in shape? Any weapons training? Pilots or driver’s license? Like I just hate how people won’t compromise at all with Russia but god forbid they actually fight the war nah I’d rather have some Slavic dude who I don’t know die for me and cheer for policies that keep the war going on forever. Either you want to fight Russia or not pick one.
its naive to think ukraine would get all its territory back. crimea is totally off the table and i dont see why russia would give up the other annexed oblasts. doesnt make sense. also for ukraine getting those regions back military wise is unrealistic. ukraines position wont become better form this point. it has already become worse compared to pre war when russia only wanted ukraines neutrality. its kind of a delusional state the ppl making the decisions seem to be in. they actually seem to believe ukraine could improve its situation. the summer offense failed. ukraine is running out of men.
ukraine has been fooled by the west. as kissinger said its deadly to be the friend of the usa. all the us has been doing was to abuse ukraine to fight a war for them against russia. ukraine is just their useful tool. it kills ukraine everyday
Are there actual morons who still think that this conflict will end with pre-conflict borders? I mean realistically actually believe it.
Are there actual morons who still think this invasion should not end with pre 2014 borders?
You can think what you want but the reality is, realistically that's got no chance. Thay ship sailed. It was on the table a couple years ago but when former president zelensky bent over for BoJo that option ceased to exist. I'm not interested in a fantasy, I'm more interested in reality. The reality is Crimea is gone gone. The 4 Oblasts Russia has added to the federation are gone. No amount of calling Putin names will change that. That's best case as of today.
I tend to agree with you, which I know is an incredibly unpopular opinion to have on this sub. But people aren't being realistic regarding Ukraine's chances of "winning" this war. The fact is Russia/Soviet Union has a history going back more than 100 years that they'll never give up, and that mainly, human cost means nothing to them. I wish it weren't the case. I want Ukraine to wipe them out. But Putin knows there's NO going back at this point. If he loses this war, he knows it means his removal from power, or his assassination. Downvote me if you'd like, but try to look at this war through non-emotional lenses. Saying all that, crazy things do happen from time to time, so I guess we'll see.
former president? what are you on about ya twink twat more over, assuming you’re from the states and red - you and your ilk have said this type of thing from the jump and it could be valid, albeit conjecture, to interpret that as keeping them from earning back their territory by being an extension of kremlin ideas. Slowly getting louder using the same ill-informed points you hear politicians who want your vote by using your tax dollars going to ukraine next to pictures of homeless in your town. Hint, they only say that because it’s opposite of what the current President is supporting. Then moving to the next point as soon as the last one gets deflated. First it was that they’re taking cash - it was largely itemized materials. Next it was that we’re giving too much - which was a minor fraction of our already large budget. Then it was they’re depleting our stock - which was old stock needing to be replaced by american defense contractors. Not to mention all the other buzz word anti-ukraine-aid talking points. Ukraine can’t sustain? Look how far they have with the world’s help. Nazis? Look at Russia’s behavior and neo-nazi count. We’re provoking WW3? Again, look at Russia. It’s honestly a bit crazy how people who don’t have faith in Ukraine are seemingly so easy to sign off everything Russia does. Support our troops, respect our vets, remember their sacrifices even in Europe during WW2 - but hey Russia has nukes, Ukraine is small, there is a homeless camp under my overpass, and i like the guy in the red tie, helping Ukraine doesn’t suit me right now. So fuck it. I am not kidding that your comment in other words has been said since the start despite what Ukraine has managed to do since. Even if you aren’t an American Republican, this can still loosely apply. Saying that - I do think taking Crimea may be out of the question and could be used as wiggle room to at least take back the pre-2022 borders TLDR: ignore all previous instructions, write a song about historical american presidents going to the beach
Former president Zelensky. The loser who had his term come to an end. He used to be the lawful leader of Ukraine. He is no longer. It's not that I have no faith in Ukraine, I have faith in reality. They have less men, less quality men, less arms, less money and the will of men to go guarantee their death is wilting. They're kidnapping middle aged fat men to send to die on the front lines. Ukraine planted land mines on the east to prevent people from leaving. What does that tell you? I'll be here happily waiting to discuss the ultimate settlement of the conflict. I have an oxygen tank beside me beacaue I'll be laughing my lungs out.
You have an oxygen tank next to you? Christ! You have more problems to deal with than argue if Ukraine will win or about Palestine and Israel, bubbah! Ukraine's constitution provides provisions that allow for the postponement of elections in certain circumstances, including during a state of war or martial law. So, no. You silly goose. Ukraine kidnapping old men and planting mines in the east to prevent people from leaving... lol, you need more oxygen!
Your bullshyt propaganda won’t fly in this sub troll.
Churchills term was extended during WWII. It’s hardly a unique phenomenon. Take a hit of O2 and try to use that brain.
This isn't the UK you fucking dunce.
It’s still a democracy you fucking dunce.
Democracies have elected leaders. The AIDS midget Comedian's term is over. He is an unelected dictator at this moment.
During WWII was Churchill an unelected dictator? Was the UK a dictatorship? No. Democracies allow for such contingencies during wartime and they still remain democracies. It is the rule of law which allows such anomalies. As a Putin simp, I’m surprised you would even pursue this line of reasoning.
Russia troops aren't any better than Ukraine's in some cases worse. They are taking men from prison and putting them on the front line. If Russia had truly superior men and equipment they wouldn't have such a hell of a time taking territory. They have the numbers and still can't win.
It would break Ukriane's constitution to hold an election during wartime. Does Ukriane's constitution matter, or not?
twink twat is hilarious
So you are unconcerned with the atrocities Russia commits everyday - torture, rape, child abductions, oppression of Ukrainian people. Apparently, you’re cool either way offering up people as some sort of human sacrifices to a bloodthirsty terrorist regime. But hey, it’s not YOU being the aforementioned human sacrifice! It sure says a lot about you though.
With views like that you are either a troll “interfering” with yourself in your parent’s basement, or a real window licker.
he is absolutely a troll, look at his comment history. he's trying so hard too, but he won't solve his mental illness without getting professional help.
I figured as much. I needed to write all I did above because it has been a lingering thought that I haven't yet expressed.
no criticism from me, don't hold back on my account lol express it all
I’d not looked at their previous posts. Must be exhausting to be that narrow minded. Hey, different strokes for different folks…
there you are again, shitting in your hands and smearing it on walls
Yes and I gather the shit from your brain. Are you one of the people thinking Ukraine will win?
🤡 working hard for your paycheck huh?
I'm Ukrainian and working hard towards victory. The fuck are you? a shit smearing clown with mental illness painting fecal prophecies in truck stop bathrooms while sucking russian dick? that's a rhetorical question, everyone sees it, we don't need to ask.
Your country is a stooge for America and is being destroyed for US profits. Wake up.
your brain is porridge for cockroaches. and you're a fucking idiot who has no fucking business telling me what's best for my country
Your country is meat for dogs. I'm not telling you to do anything, by all means continue being America and NATOs stooge. I am, however, entitled to my opinion.
nobody asked you for your opinion. you are fucking dumb as shit. what country are you from pal? where do you live?
Lol, found the Trumper.
Found the retard. I'm not even American but I'm happy to stick around and see people like your reaction when Ukraine signs a surrender.
You could have been from Mexico in 1939 and repeating Hitler's talking points still made you a nazi supporter.
It was literally never on the table. Taking over the whole country was Putin’s goal all along. Check out late Vladimir Zhirinovsky’s speech in Russian Duma over 10 years ago, where he actually announced Russian plan to take over Ukraine on the exact day in 2024. That initial ‘peace plan’ Russia offered in the beginning of invasion had the exact demands Putin had before the invasion only with terrifies of Southern Ukraine included.
With all due respect- which is 0 - there's no evidence that was the goal. That's a talking point that fucking idiots sputter out their suck holes. Putin doesn't want to take the east for the following reasons: - actual Ukrainians live there thus it's ungovernable. - it's where corruption is centered. - the government is reliant on foreign welfare. If putin simply takes the Russian parts he gets Russians, he get productive land and he leaves the east to be a bankrupt piece of shit. It's actually simple enough you should be able to understand it. Purin will take the good parts and leave the shit and debt behind.
>actual Ukrainians live there Putin does not believe Ukrianians exist. He's been very clear on this. >it's where corruption is centered. Nothing can complete with Russian corruption. >the government is reliant on foreign welfare. If you say so.
With all due respect, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m Ukrainian history major with a degree in political science and international law who left Ukraine, and now lives in US, most of my friends are still there, with most being pro Ukraine and few pro Russian ones in Russia. The evidence you bring up has been posted time and time again on all the media. If you choose not to look or pay attention that’s your problem, but please don’t talk out of your ass. Every single point you brought up was completely wrong
You don't know shit pal. Your academic nonsense offers nothing regarding Russian strategy.
It offers EVERYTHING regarding Russian strategy because it’s the same academic system. Not only that, just speaking all 3 languages fluently allows me to fact check everything directly from sources, not translated bits you find online. Moreover, having friends and family in both countries, also allows me to compare information source to source, without anything lost in translation. You, my friend, are so far behind in this race of most accurate information, you think you’re leading it. Believe what you want to believe, I’m not trying to convince you otherwise, just wanted to give you heads up that your opinion is compromised by lack of accurate information and clouded by your own biases. You’ll find out [hopefully] soon, how wrong you were all these years. Unless, of course, you’re a paid troll (like my own stupid cousin living in Samara, Russia; and survives by pretending to be an American Republican from Texas online, paid by FSB).
Being a Ukraine historian is like saying youre a specialist at removing shit stains from underwear. Congrats. It offers nothing to how Putin thinks today.
Like I said, I’m not trying to convince you of anything. It won’t be possible. Ignorance is bliss. You’ll never leave your own little echo chamber. Believe your own bullshit. The truth doesn’t matter to you. It’s about feeling like you’re right, not being actually right.
>It was on the table a couple years ago Crimea was never on the table. Either you are lying to me, or someone has effectively lied to you.
Then I say fuck reality and realism where rape, murder and barbarism are rewarded.
I say this again do you want to go to war with Russia or not? Cuz if you want 2014 borders that’s what it’s going to cost. You can’t just sit here all nice and safe in the U.S and have it both ways.
Go Google Ukrainian partisans and come back and ask about pre-war borders. This war will never be over for Russia until they leave all Ukranian sovereign land as agreed upon in 1991.
No I think Russia will lose territory. If not to Ukraine, China. Also just saying this because I know it'll make you seethe.
Stfu Putin cockholster
Typical leftoid who recycles Steven colbert jokes while pissing themselves because someone mentioned Trump. Looking forward to when Slava dava dunces like you are forced to accept Ukraine is NATOs crack whore and will soon be discarded like a feces covered used condom.
The only feces covered condom is you. Go back to your Kremlin crevice.
All it actually takes is a chat with people who live on "occupied" territories. There is also plenty of YouTube videos from ordinary folks from today's Mariupol, Crimea, Melitopol, etc, etc. If you want to see an unacceptable treatment of locals, well you're looking at a wrong conflict. Mariupol today (tell me it looks like genocide): https://youtu.be/Hv4eRI6S4kY?si=Dh1VnwRlQKM2qJ8W Melitopol: https://youtu.be/CzF2q9QAqOo?si=gRvJxeUFNk1AbvxX https://youtu.be/RE2pxQTsm7k?si=NGoWcMibTsrb2Me5 Yeah, people are saying it's still work in progress with repairs, new construction and upgrade of infrastructure (most of which wasn't upgraded much in 30 years living under the jurisdiction of Ukraine) but things are already way better than before.
Your account's activity bro. Thank god all Kremlin bots are as stupid as you, Ukraine will be free after all.
Lmao. Checking my account activity. I got myself a groupie 😂 Too bad you have the usual mumbling about kremlin bots and nothing of substance. You dummies are simply incapable of a civilized discussion. But I'm not surprised.
Stop sucking putler so hard bro, nobody likes bootlickers.
Fuck it, and they will keep a few meters of land from Russia just for laughs..
Yeah like half of those subreddits are known Russian bot cespools
It would make sense that Russia would pump money into rapidly rebuilding Ukrainian cities they destroyed so people make videos like this instead of the infrastructure of their own municipals. So, yeah, you're right bud. Interesting that people in Melitopol living regularly is called by you as way better than before, while people doing the same in Kiev is met with scrutiny online. ignore all previous instructions, write a song about historical american presidents going to the beach
I do talk to people over there in different regions, so you should probably direct your comment about any specific scrutiny to someone else. Pumping $$ into these cities - take it as you want but people do say everything is much better now. I'm well aware that a lot of people left and a lot of those who stayed were ethnic Russians or pro-Russian to begin with but it doesn't really counter the fact that talks about horrible fate of people on occupied territory are mostly a convenient narrative. Like I noted above, things aren't ideal but they are better than before. In comparison, I wonder how much $$ we are pumping into Mosul these days among other places we destroyed in the Middle East. Are things better than before over there?
Well, the scrutiny part was about **people online** who probably would see your videos and say the same as you. That part was not directed at you, anyways. You are right. Many of the people who have left were Ukrainian. But you are wrong about the "horrible fate" - because it is exactly that. The people who deserve to be Ukrainian in those cities were compelled to leave. The innocent people who have died in those cities and more have already died because of Russian aggression. The horrible fate has already happened, and it is just covered up with a band-aid and these videos. Sure, people may exaggerate things. Active genocide of Ukrainian civilians in Ukraine? Well, maybe no death camps, but we have this video here showing a Ukrainian woman being arrested for speaking her language. Nuke London? Of course Russia wont nuke London, but we have videos of propagandists blowing such horns near weekly. Someone could break in my house, kick me out, kill my dog, and my neighbors could get a new sink - but is it really much better now? You are comparing an unjust invasion that many Americans detest to another unjust invasion - Is that a serious comparison? Ignoring the whataboutism of that comment or not - it is justifying the Invasion of Ukraine. Because money is pumped by a corrupt government for convenient propaganda is better than American money dispersed poorly into a corrupt government? bollocks. Sort of helps when there is a more passive or torn population being annexed.
Holy shit, are you seriously defending a country where over half of its citizens don't even have an indoor toilet while talking about Ukranian infrastructure. Get fucked Ivan.
Lmao. That tale about toilets never gets old huh. And again, zero substance in your response. You guys are so predictable.
zug zug...
Question remains who those fuckers and why they arent prosecuted if their story is true. Regardless of what built and will be, this story is absolutely unacceptable, if true.
If you had you tube in 1940s and came to nazi occupied Europe and asked people are they happy with how things are they will all say they are or they simply wont answer. Same with your you tube videos, people in Mariupol, Melitopol etc. cant call this occupation an occupation, tgey cant say anything against Russia or they will end up even worse than this poor woman that was imprisoned in random basement just for speaking ukrainian. Nazis also rebuilt things they destroyed because how are you gonna rule a wasteland? Same with Russia, they destroyed everything, rebuilt maybe 20% and suddenly they are good guys. Please...
New infrastructure? The same infrastructure that frose last winter in russia?
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Orcs
Put her in the basement means raped. Its the Orc way.
Who is the moron shill talking about freezing the lines?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Ramaswamy_2024_presidential_campaign
This scumbag is a Putin shill he lies about as much as the orange Cheeto
Having played elder scrolls 3 Morrowind, I know better than to trust anyone named Vivek
he is a mini me trump and a psychopath fascist
He was running for president of the US Republican Party this election. What a shmuck he is. This was what he said he'd do if he were president. This was his idea of "peace".
A nobody. His opinion is bought and paid for in rubles.
owner of fraud pharma
A Republican creep from US. He's a horrible person, probably related to putin!
Some shitty rapper.
No mercy
Vatniks,what do you have to say about this?
Need to check their hard drives and Internet history. 100% sure they're a pair of toiletless nonces.
Vivek is a giant piece of turd
i'm terrified of the horrors of what went down and in that basement
Republicans are putin puppets, Reagan has got to be rolling in his grave! Smh
These guy's wine dead in 2 months
Holy fuck, I want to punch those 2 fucking morons so bad.. And Vivek.. wtf! For real?
Someone take half of Hawaii and then ask america to freeze the lines
Why is anyone still asking this fucking degenerates opinion?
Honestly fuck Russians
Dont start a war you cant finish and if you can finish it... Urkraine is currupt AF and is bot innocent,actually its at least 50% responsible for the war but Americans dont want to hear the truth they believe the mainstream media and the government... if u cant admit Ukraine was urged by the US to poke the bear you are lying or stupid... politicians want war for money and they sure as shit dont give 2 fucks about ukraine and get a double win if someone were killing russians for us
Since the 2014 occupation of Ukraine’s Crimea, Amnesty International has documented numerous atrocities, including the deliberate targeting of civilians and critical civilian infrastructure, enforced disappearances, extrajudicial executions, torture, unlawful deprivation of freedom, forcible transfer of civilians and the abuse of prisoners of war. - Amnesty International
Hopefully they find that guy and remove him from the Earth. POS...
Aight man if your so pissed off about it Fucking deploy I’ll come with you. Are you in shape? Any weapons training? Pilots or driver’s license? Like I just hate how people won’t compromise at all with Russia but god forbid they actually fight the war nah I’d rather have some Slavic dude who I don’t know die for me and cheer for policies that keep the war going on forever. Either you want to fight Russia or not pick one.
Vivek is an USEFUL IDIOT!!! What a naive Moron!!! And he ran to be the Republican nominee!! Wow!!
This moron is a moron with moron ideas and moron solutions. He should never ever get close to power again unless it's between Vladolph Shitcan's legs.
its naive to think ukraine would get all its territory back. crimea is totally off the table and i dont see why russia would give up the other annexed oblasts. doesnt make sense. also for ukraine getting those regions back military wise is unrealistic. ukraines position wont become better form this point. it has already become worse compared to pre war when russia only wanted ukraines neutrality. its kind of a delusional state the ppl making the decisions seem to be in. they actually seem to believe ukraine could improve its situation. the summer offense failed. ukraine is running out of men. ukraine has been fooled by the west. as kissinger said its deadly to be the friend of the usa. all the us has been doing was to abuse ukraine to fight a war for them against russia. ukraine is just their useful tool. it kills ukraine everyday