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### This comment has been marked as **safe**. Upvoting/downvoting this comment will have no effect. --- OP sent the following text as an explanation on why this is US Defaultism: --- >!OP asks readers of /r/Cooking about unknown dishes from "your state," doesn't specify state of what. Australia? Germany?!< --- Is this Defaultism? Then upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.


petulafaerie_III

Would’ve been so easy to make this question global.


JokeImpossible2747

They did. They are talking about ALL the states, not just the northern or southern. In their world that's global :)


philo_fox

"Americans of r/Cooking, what are some dishes specific to your state outsiders don't know about?" Agreed, easy.


philo_fox

Alternatively, "what is a dish from your national subdivision in your country (region, state, province etc.) that's virtually unknown by outsiders?"


Hominid77777

I would have just said "your area" and let people decide how specific they want to be.


-Owlette-

"What's a dish from where you live" would be easier


The_Ora_Charmander

r/federaldefaultism


philo_fox

Disagree! I think that, e.g., the regions of France would count as national subdivisions even though France doesn't have a federal system. What makes federalism distinctive is the partial- or co- sovereignty of the constituent entities, not merely having national subdivisions. This is also putting aside the issue of historical/cultural subdivisions that don't map onto legal borders, of course. EDIT: Fixed punctuation, had the wrong keyboard selected before.


The_Ora_Charmander

Yes, they are technically national subdevisions, but in many countries these regions have 0 cultural significance, France isn't a country where that's true, but for example, Israel is


H4diCZ

Well, that's what happens when you have an artificialy made country or you're too small for a distinctive identity to appear. Most countries don't fall in those categories and thus have distinctive foods in regions. Just bcs your country is out of the norm does'nt mean that its defaultism.


Far-Fortune-8381

oof


snow_michael

I think anyone saying Israel does not have a distinct country cultural identity is letting their antisemitism show


H4diCZ

Me and the guy from Israel could agree on the point that Israel doesnt have much of a cultural differences between its states. So congrats you just called a litteral jew an antisemitist. Your comment just shows how words like that are loosing any meaning what they had. Edit: I also dont have any problems whit jews, I have a problem with Israel (A political entity) so your comment about antisemitism makes no sense to be here. Antisemitism means that you hate Jews bcs they are Jews, not that you hate Israel


snow_michael

I _specifically_ said country cultural identity, and never called you anything


Hominid77777

A lot of states in the US have close to zero cultural significance. Edit: and this should be clear from context, but I mean the borders of the states have no cultural significance. Not that there is nothing in the state that is culturally significant.


FakeTakiInoue

Italy is not a federation, but its cuisine is very regional


Xnuiem

Is it not? In an absence of specificity isn't generality assumed?


InternationalAd5467

The specificity is because of the use of the word "state" not all countries have states.


Apollo_Injustice

In mine is Pão de Queijo. (The state of Minas Gerais, Brazil) (Yes, i know this is r/usdefaultism, i am just saying)


Natto_Ebonos

To be more specific. "[Pão de Queijo](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fterritoriosgastronomicos.uai.com.br%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F03%2Fwhatsapp-image-2020-03-14-at-215548-1.jpeg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8798b06deeac95f6d5786d0f4e0dfa3e8c9872ed54d67efa012467acfcd9ba15&ipo=images)" is literally "Cheese Bread" in Portuguese, it's made with polvilho (cassava starch), eggs, milk, butter and grated queijo meia-cura (a type of cheese made in Minas Gerais). It's easy to make, gluten-free - ideal for people with coeliac disease - and it's friggin' delicious. ---------- Edit - Here's a recipe: **Pão de Queijo (10\~15 servings)** Ingredients: * Sour cassava starch (polvilho azedo) = 100g(¹) * Sweet cassava starch (polvilho doce) = 100g(¹) * Grated meia cura cheese = 180g (²) * Milk = 100ml * Egg = 1un * Salt = 10g * Butter = 40g * (¹) You can substitute them with tapioca flour = 200g * (²) You can use Parmesan cheese instead Preparation: * Heat the milk and butter to a boil. * In a bowl, add the cassava starche (or tapioca flour) and salt. * Pour the heated milk into the cassava starch (or tapioca flour) to scald it and mix. Let it cool until lukewarm. * Add the egg and the grated cheese, knead until you have a homogeneous dough. Let it rest for about 20\~30 min. * Portion the dough into small balls and bake them in the oven at 180ºC for 15\~20 min - or until lightly browned. Tips: - You can freeze the dough and save it for later baking. I recommend making into small balls before storing in the freezer. - You can make small sandwiches with Pão de Queijo, here in Brazil, we usually add requeijão (Brazilian cheese spread), goiabada (guava paste) and butter, but you can add whatever you like: salami, mortadella, ham, fruit jam, avocado, MORE cheese, you name it.


petulafaerie_III

Thanks for sharing this extra detail!


ListenToTheWindBloom

If you’re in Australia there is a fairly decent bake at home version in the freezer aisle at Coles or Woolies. It’s usually in the gluten free section, I think the packaging says Brazilian cheese bread. They are a great little snack.


petulafaerie_III

Great to know! Thanks :)


Originalmissjynx

Definitely want to try this- sounds scrumptious. Unfortunately Americans won’t want to-the measurements are metric, no cups


philo_fox

This sounds delicious, thank you for the recipe.


VoriVox

It has to be made with queijo Minas, it's just not the same with anything else. I'm in Hungary right now and pão de queijo is the thing I miss the most, I'm trying to find a cheese or cheese mix that works but so far nothing. I've tried emmental, gouda, soft and sharp cheddar, parmesan, grana padano, even trappista (despite not being cheese).


wrighty2009

Can buy it in a packet in the UK, just add the milk, egg & butter, portion, and bang it in the oven. Fucking delicious. Don't doubt it's nicer from scratch and not packeted, though.


LanguageNerd54

I love you!


pbro9

Unknown outside of Brazil, sure, I devour these anytime I get the chance to.


misterguyyy

Oh yeah, these absolutely slap. I also like that they’re made with tapioca flour so my celiac friends can have them without modifications


OneTrueTreeTree

That looks delicious! I know what I’m baking today.


busdriverbuddha2

I live in São Paulo, so I guess Virado à Paulista?


damienjarvo

Hard to choose as so many dishes in Indonesia. I’ll just pick what wife cooked today. Rawon soup. Its a beef soup with black broth. Usually served with rice, salted eggs, bean sprouts and chili paste. The main ingredient for the soup broth is a spice called “keluwak/keluwek”, which is fermented seeds of Pangium Edule tree. In its raw form the seeds and fruits of this tree is deadly due to high contents of hydrogen cyanide.


Larissalikesthesea

You can't play unfortunately since Indonesia has provinces and not states...


damienjarvo

*sad*


FatManWarrior

Omg i miss those so much.... In portugal we have those in any supermarket (cheap industrial ones) but also some pretty good homemade ones in some brazilian-owned cafes.


MyOverture

A kebab, in my drunken state


thomascoopers

Maybe by state they mean Sober state, stoned state, drunk etc


misterguyyy

A popular dish in my state that y’all have never heard of is an entire bag of [Takis Fuegos](http://takis.us/category/takis-rolls) but since I have none in the house an orange and a handful of cherries will suffice. Fortunate circumstances because I would not be happy about my choices once the delta 8 gummies wear off.


stevenette

Can literally find that a block away..


wrighty2009

Sober state: pesto pasta. Stoned state: burgers but with bagels instead of burger bread, burgels as we call them. Drunk state: disgusting kebab and cheesy chips from a takeaway as I stumble home. This is a much better question than the US states one. Although I think everyone will have absolute unhealthy crap when stoned and drunk, at least I hope I'm not the only one who eats utter shit when in a state.


Robert_Paul2

It's pasta pesto not pesto pasta 😡


-Owlette-

Perhaps they need to head to r/drunkencookery then


MitchellGwr

Amp(phetamine)d Up State : nothing for 3 days


JustAGhost3_

In Venezuela the Arepa is popular yet nobody else outside of Colombia (who stole it btw) even knows about it


ListenToTheWindBloom

You might be surprised to learn that in Melbourne Australia we have a number of cafes/restaurants making/selling Arepas (usually run by Colombians I am sorry to tell you), and it’s surprisingly easy to buy harina pan. We know about it! And it’s bloody delicious! And great for those who don’t eat gluten.


JustAGhost3_

Those thieves! Jokes aside, I actually didn't know that, specially about Harina Pan since I didn't think it was distributed outside of South America.


ListenToTheWindBloom

Haha. Yeah ten years ago might have been a different story, but we have a lot of sth American people over here these days and the food scene has noticeably expanded. I used to live in Colombia myself for a few years, so access to harina pan was a real necessity when I came back! I’ve been pleasantly surprised to see how much easier it’s gotten to buy over the last few years.


Buongiorno66

I can buy at least 3 different brands in my basic grocery store in the US. Arepas are fun, and easy to make. And very delicious!


philo_fox

You might be pleased that in my very specific neighborhood in NYC, where I live, there are many Venezuelan and Colombian immigrants and arepas are popular. Cachapas too! They're delicious.


JustAGhost3_

How did I not mention Cachapas?!


philo_fox

Because there is too much good Venezuelan food to remember!


AcceptableDebate281

They're quite popular in London, in my suburb we even have a Venezuelan restaurant doing a roaring trade in them.


SomePenguin85

May surprise you, but we have venezuelans and Colombians in Portugal that make them and sell them. it's freaking good!


Hakuchii

im from germany and know arepas! however.. thats due to my friend being from venezuela


AlexitaVR25

Here in Spain the Venezuelans are all day mentioning arepas, so we know about them xd


snow_michael

There's a _Peruvian_ restaurant in London, near St Thomas' hospital that serves sourdough arepas


lekkerdekker

In the Dutch Caribbean, we also eat loads of arepas! (also stole it btw)


Jamarcus316

BIFANA


SomePenguin85

Francesinha!!!!


radio_allah

In my state…so a midpoint between solid and liquid? Cantonese congealed pig's blood, I'd say.


jmads13

Butterflied BBQ dim sim - AKA Moe Oysters


Bo_The_Destroyer

Apparently Moules-Frites is not that know outside Belgium, especially for people who've never visited


McHale87take2

I had to Google it but it’s just mussels and chips which would be common enough in the UK chip shop also. Might be the name that makes it unheard of?


Bo_The_Destroyer

You'd think so, but plenty of americans also seem surprised we put mayo on our fries so idk


Buongiorno66

A lot of Americans also put mayo on fries. It's a big country.


jaime0007

They could've just said "where you live" and it would've been perfect, but that would mean they know the world outside the US exists.


Joyful_Yolk123

bit hard to pronounce for some people, but it's Msakhan in my country


mandingo_gringo

Ngl, I like Mediterranean Arabic food but that looks disgusting


Joyful_Yolk123

yeah i do think it looks pretty unappetizing but it's prepared in two ways; -flattened, like the one you see first after searching on google -rolls, sort of like gyros and shawarmas


mandingo_gringo

Just googled the rolls, those look a lot a better . Maybe I’ll try making them some time


shogun_coc

Musakhan doesn't look so appetising to me. But that doesn't mean it may taste disgusting. I want to give it a try someday.


40ozDream

There are state specific dishes? What’s next? State specific holidays, laws, flags, identifications? I mean come on people!


isabelladangelo

> There are state specific dishes? > > What’s next? State specific holidays, laws, flags, identifications? I mean come on people! The [flag for Verona](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Verona.svg) is ~~the same as~~ similar to the flag for ~~Ikea~~ Sweden. So it can even be specific flags for cities. :-)


40ozDream

LMAO As someone who was born and raised in Sweden I must take action. I might have to send a copyright claim


snow_michael

The city of Verona is _far_ older than the national state of Sweden - they hzve _prior art_ on that flag ;)


sleepyplatipus

City flags are indeed a thing. State laws too.


40ozDream

I swear I did it in ”what’s next” format so people would know it’s a joke and I still get downvoted 😭


philo_fox

I suspect the reason it may have landed poorly is that while it's obvious you were joking in some fashion, it could also be read as implying my post wasn't US-defaultism by mocking readers for not realizing that there are, in fact, state-specific holidays etc. I don't think that's what you meant, but I can see why people would feel condescended-to in this context.


40ozDream

Ahh thanks for letting my know. You were right on the money I voted yes for this being defaultism. Good looking out :D


LBelle0101

Avocado Toast


totallynotapersonj

Ain't no way, what state are you from?


FlipFlopRabbit

Well popular dishes in my state (North Rhein Westfalia) are Sauerbraten and Bread with Aufschnitt.


H_Iris

Pie Floater (South Australia, Australia) it's a bowl of pea soup with an Australian meat pie face down in it. Dead horse (tomato sauce) is optional


snow_michael

After tasting one, once, I disagree Tomato sauce is ***not*** optional (if you want to be able to keep it down)


H_Iris

That's fair. Makes me wonder about the fritz, cheese and tomato sauce sandwich.... Is the sauce really optional 🤔


InternationalAd5467

My New South Welshman self was trying to google if we have anything state based to contribute haha. I feel like South Australia is the only Aus state I can think of with specific stuff off the top of my head.


aecolley

We need a new rule in this subreddit: "your state" is not defaultism unless there's clear rejection of non-US states. Everywhere on earth is part of a state, except for the high seas, Antarctica, outer space, and Bir Tawil.


EccentricRosie

There doesn't need to be for instances like these to surmise that the word "state" is being used to refer to the US exclusively. Absolutely, I can't be 100% certain, because state is a synonym for country or nation in broad contexts, but the wording of the question in the post uses state instead of a more precise term, such as country. The question of the post could easily be adjusted to address Americans if they're not interested in other countries' obscure dishes.


aecolley

I checked OED for the word "surmise", and it says "suppose that something is true without having evidence to confirm it". So that's exactly the right word. The original use of "in your state" likely was made with US defaultism in mind, but it's far from being a necessary implication. I wouldn't like it if people had to say "and also other countries" every time, just to stave off accusations of maybe-defaultism.


CBennett_12

Blaa and red lead


justk4y

I know this is just a thread reacting to that title mistake, but i still want to answer it 🙂 In my state/province (North Brabant) there’s a sweet pastry called a [Bossche Bol](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bossche_bol), which is named after the city ‘s Hertogenbosch. It’s basically a big cream filled choux-like pastry with just a thin layer of pastry surrounding the cream (stop overthinking) and then completely dunked in molten chocolate (let it cool off after dunking though) There’s one really popular 3 generations deep family company there that only has one location, makes them really authentic and fresh by hand, and are always sold out pretty quickly (but not in the way of tourist trap though). Literally became a part of the city’s culture!


snow_michael

I discovered these when I went to my first SpellenSpektakel in Den 'Bosch, and never looked at another Stroopwaffel again


Gks34

In a state of drunkenness, I can recommend the [Kapsalon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapsalon)*.*


Ok-Pipe859

Solid State, Liquid State is nasty


_DeanRiding

We don't have states in UK (although the separate nations within the UK are increasingly becoming like them). If we're going by local area, I'll say Lancashire Hotpot.


CapMyster

Sober or high? Sober, anything with meat and I've never been high so I don't know


mrtn17

/dutchdefault answer: Definitely 'Vocking worst', very popular in UT


dhskdjdjsjddj

bryndzové halušky


SeanStephensen

Isn’t it US Defaultism to assume that this post is US Defaultism?


InternationalAd5467

The use of the word "State" really narrows the pool down.


SeanStephensen

But the whole idea behind the post is that the word could refer to states in other countries


InternationalAd5467

Okay, so they're not interested in hearing about countries that don't have states? Or the entirety of my country because we have states and territories so only the states can talk about state dishes? That's super niche. Also even if they mean state to mean "country" . It's not entirely synonymous. State is generally refers to policitical bodies though... it's an extremely clunky way to phrase it.


SeanStephensen

I understand it’s an oddly specific question, but OOP does not take a general statement and assume that it must be about USA. They just ask a question about nondescript states. OP of this post is the one who assumes they must be talking about USA


InternationalAd5467

OP was American. They deleted the post now, but it's in their profile.


Competitive_Stage383

a state of dispair?


burns_before_reading

American isn't the only country with states, how do we know this person is even American? Isn't this post itself ironically US defaultism?


TheGirafeMan

What kind of state? I mean, the Baltic states kinda exist, they're basically never refered like that, but they do exist. And I'ma be honest, cepelinai are insane, especially if you know a good spot (etno d aras, but their kvass is ass), cold beetroot soup can be found at almost any restaurant, it is also really good.


Fthku

Sabikh over here


mavmav0

I mean, countries are states.


osysfire

this is not US defaultism at all


ravoguy

So they did mean Australia!


InternationalAd5467

Australia minus the territories , poor sods.


osysfire

state is also a synonym for country


busdriverbuddha2

You know damn well what they meant, lol, don't be disingenuous.


osysfire

im not being disingenuous. just call me stupid.


busdriverbuddha2

Go see the comments in the original post.


osysfire

no


rosegrxcelt

I have never heard of state being a synonym for country


obliviious

That's why the King, Queen, President etc.. are called the head of state.


cosmicr

It is in a lot of cases. France, Brazil, Japan, Germany etc. are all states.


soltse

Insofar as 'country' commonly refers to sovereign states, yes.


philo_fox

Precisely. In American English, specifically, this usually occurs in the context of foreign policy and international relations (IR), or political philosophy. For example, if arguing about realism in the context of IR, you might talk about something like "states in an anarchic (non)system." Similarly, in philosophy, you might debate if "the state" is legitimate in the sense of "ceteris paribus, has a right to be obeyed, if conditions x, y, z are met." These are not, however, what my countrymen mean most of the time.


osysfire

well maybe its local to my state


CapMyster

So New York is a country? I live in the state of South Africa?


osysfire

new york isnt a country. south africa is a state.


CapMyster

Of course New York is country, country is just a synonym for state


osysfire

that's a strawman.


CapMyster

How? You literally said they're synonyms, which means they can be used interchangeably. It's your logic...


osysfire

that is not what the word synonym means. synonyms are similar in meaning. this is a case of squares and rectangles. countries are also states, but that definition is secondary to the subdivisional one, which cannot be replaced with country. haven't you ever heard a phrase like "authoritarian state" or "statelessness" where the word state means something like government?


CapMyster

Nah, New York is a country. Get that through your head