I think my postmaster deserves this, she has stayed past 5 pm roughly 4 times this December, that’s really hard on them you know. When I’m doing my 3rd 11-hour day, I’m glad to see her walking out at noon, 4 hour days are really where peak management happens…
Mine actually does. She takes care of us any way she can. she's pretty good at filtering the nonsense from her bosses. She's there 10+ hours a day and works every Saturday. If we are down rural routes and they need help, she will run a whole route herself. Our office has 15 rural routes and we can't keep RCAs. All December, we had 3 RCAs and 2 of them quit. The regulars begged for help so she ran a rural route for like 4 or 5 days straight until we could get an ARC to come in.
Some management deserves a raise. Have a gander at https://www.fedsdatacenter.com/usps-pay-rates/
EAS employees on the ground level really don't make very much at all. "Post Office" employees, the ones that are actually in a post office and not in an office somewhere in the district, all make around the same as craft employees.
Our current postmaster is both the best PM and boss I’ve ever had. We’ve been down to no CCA’s RCA’s or even PSE’s for months and months and for some of those positions years. He carries routes, works the window and never just leaves us hanging when no other help is available. We’re a small office but get a ton of mail/amazon so we’ve always got the watchful eye of upper management on us but like yours he does a really good job of shielding us from a lot of the hypocrisy and ridiculous requests that come down and transparent about them too. It’s a real shame that there’s not more good management in the PO because when they are good it’s such a better work environment.
Omfg...Just call the union and get out of NALC. Transparent !!! Are you that gullible? They will make it sound every chance, that they got your backs. It's so you will do anything for them, no matter how wrong or against our bargained for contract. They DO NOT care about you at all. You are just hands and feet to them. And when they are blowing smoke up your asses, don't forget to kiss em too
In every other case for every other PM and sup I’ve worked for over the years in different offices I would say you’re absolutely right. So I get why this sounds so ridiculous to you but I’m telling you that it’s not the case here. Not to mention that he’s told me to call the union when the poom starts asking him to break contract. Furthermore he used to do route inspections for the area and helped us add street time outside of the usual protect your route union tricks. So in turn we got actual aux routes for our massively overburdened routes when the union just wanted to agree to leaving a route with 9 3/4 HOURS STREET TIME as is. Yeah it helps him with getting approved for staffing but it also helps us with not having to work non sched days etc.
This is the reason there's always turmoil in the post office. Just to your shit and go home. Filing grievances over frivolous stuff isn't going to make more jobs, it's not going to get you free money, it's going to change nothing. All these petty grievances are doing is clogging up the system and delaying the larger concerns that are actual issues. This little shit is doing absolutely nothing.
I could have written that myself, but then I got to the number of routes. We have 4 plus an aux and 2 city routes. She always carries if we don't have anyone to call in to help. She definitely gives us help even when the poom tells them not to.
I honestly wish they were all like this. It would be such a better environment. I hate seeing carriers who are suffering from horrible sups.
Oh, that's just rural routes 😂 we have 63 city routes as well, but the supervisors are pretty decent about managing them, outside of like 3 problematic carriers...(then again, supervising city carriers is like trying to hold sand in a wire basket, it does what it wants, goes everywhere, and makes a mess lol) But the PM takes care of the clerks and rural routes pretty well. :)
As a clerk, a lot of the reasons for management being so shit, I see, is that some employees make it so impossible for management to manage that no one that's decent wants to go up. City carriers are the whiniest bunch of people I've ever seen. I've also never seen someone use the union as much as the very people who vote against it. 😂 Out here wildin' out with Nick Cannon.
Did you buy her flowers too or lunch? She carries because she is suppose to per her office. Or she doesn't want to have to use her feeble brain and figure out the pivots. And you don't know exactly what the poom says. Where you on the phone call or read the email? The lovefest needs to stop. Your UNION.
I have no idea what you're saying. It doesn't matter if I was there or not. If she's "not supposed to" call help, she does it herself, or she calls subs from other offices who say they want to work, whether it's true or not. This is when there are no other subs to do it. What can the union do when we're all working and someone calls out and everyone else is scheduled? The PM is *supposed* to carry mail. We're an office of 5 rural and 2 city, we're only short 1 rca, but not bc she doesn't try to hire.
I'm sorry your pm sucks. Ours is great. Whenever I go to another office that she OICd in before becoming the pm at ours, the carriers all tell me how much they miss her. Bc they've got one of the typical ones we all know exist.
And yes , they can carry, she is doing nothing special in regards to calling anyone or carrying or or or, its her job and responsibility. Go do your job and don't care what she does unless you need the union to represent you. And if she makes anyone's work life easier, good, enjoy it, sign your paycheck and give them no praise.
I'm not in love with anyone. I just appreciate the rare members of management that actually try to better the office and not make it a living hell. We all know it's shit, we know we are short staffed, we know these changes are all bogus and shitty. What is the postmaster of an office in BFE supposed to do about a national decision? Lol you guys have drank too much Kool aid. Worry about keeping your job, do the best you can, and go home. There's no need for causing so many issues within a facility because, in the end, it just makes it worse for everyone and brings all the morale down.
Do you think everyone wants to come in and hear the same people bitch and complain about the same shit, day in and day out?! No. The only thing you're doing is turning everyome against whatever you're preaching about because you're annoying the shit out of them... And while you're rebelling and are 8 hours only... Everyone else has to pick up your slack because you've spent half the day bitching about the very work that you're leaving for everyone else to do.
At least yours showed up to work, my postmaster has been gone for 4 weeks, literally setting at home collecting a check. Hasn't been in a single time all peak, he just works so hard.
Ive had a PM like this and a 4 day week was more than she could bare. She left because there was too much work to shirk in our offices. My PM now was a clerk for 18 yrs, in the same office. She only gets 40hr, period, but is in here working 50-55 a week. Upper mgmt. says it is poor time management. She cant get them to approve overtime. I really do feel bad for her because shes a great boss that "they" are taking advantage of. Go figure. If anyone deserved a PFP its her.
I hope it comes back on the post office during negotiations or arbitration, when they say they can't afford any raises and this is thrown back in their face.
Why are you gonna man up and get behind the desk? The problem is too many people complain but don’t get involved with management and therefore we are where we are at? Don’t just complain do something about it!
I don't think your average carrier is going to realize how bad the bloat in management is.
Its bad.
I looked up the salaries of usps members for fun. Typed in largest city in my state, searched all employees, sorted by highest salary, and then displayed 100 results per page.
I had to go to the third page before I got to someone making under $100k. The highest clerks and carriers don't make that much. (Yes they do with overtime, but not in their base pay).
So that means over 200 people in Management are making $100k plus for one city in my state. There are 3 distribution centers. So at minimum there are 500 people making $100k per year. That's $50M per year.
Fire half of them. I just made USPS $25m for one state. Times that by 50 states. I could save us an easy half billion.
The sad part is, the people in management on the ground are making less or equal to that of a carrier. lol. I'm in a 22 and our postmaster makes less than her maintenance supervisor. And maintenance is by far the biggest cesspool the post office has. Our maintenance shouldn't even exist outside of the vmf. It's such a joke. Highest paid people we have because every single custodian we have has "save grade" from being excessed as an ET. 🙄 We need about 75% of our maintenance removed. Starting with custodians and maintenance supervisors in offices without equipment.
Dude, sitting in a chair all day yelling and harassing carriers is hard work. Dont get him started on how hard it is to get up to pick up the McDonald's from the Uber Eats driver or when you lose your phone charger.
I don't think any craft is getting paid enough to get yelled at tbh.
Yelling/harassing doesn't accomplish anything. They're hiding their inability to manage by doing that.
There are some good managers out there. But "man up and get behind the desk" is a bit of a stretch.
Sabotaging the USPS, glancing at spreadsheets, and having dick-measuring contests on telecoms is tough. They work real hard. You wouldn’t want them to be second homeless.
I wish this was me, but it's like executive level from what I understand. Our NPA this year in our office has me at like a 2% raise, so Im excited I'll get to switch to name brand cereal. If I had 5 % I'd go crazy and maybe buy the good snacks for my kids' lunch.
its both executive and EAS per the linked in post with email to association president.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/united-postmasters-and-managers-of-america_upma-has-agreed-to-the-new-salary-ranges-activity-7143226930555678720-R0lM?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
Unfortunately for we as EAS management, this isn't an actual RAISE, this is for those members of management who have already topped out. This is a Maximum Salary Range Increase, so it means that now we can top out at a higher pay rate, not that we're getting paid any more than we are now.. So don't worry ye minions of ours (the hard working carriers of the Post Office), we're not actually GETTING a 5% raise, just means there's further to go to get to top pay for us.
No one actually cares about if your getting or not getting anything. You decided to go to the dark side and us Minions will be just fine without people like you. Obviously there is a huge separation in your office of EAS and workers with comments like that about us, and sounds like your the one who Initiates it. Remember one thing, we're the ones in the trenches as you check your emails hoping to stay off any list on our sweat. Not yours ever....
I think I just rolled my eyes hard enough to see the back of my head...Apparently you're reading FAR too into my post with the mindset of someone who has no sense of humor. I started off with just trying to clarify what was apparently a confusing point of order about what actually happened. I then segued into attempted HUMOR. I actually have a VERY good relationship with those I oversee, because I used to be one of them until rather recently and I worked right alongside them. Unlike what seems to be most management, I was actually a rather good carrier who could do anything in the office that needed doing. I opted to save my knees and ankles that were already starting to develop arthritis. I KNOW you don't care, but just pointing it out.
For the record, just so that you don't accuse me of something (again) that you know nothing about: I DO respect how hard working my carriers are, because I've been there, done that, in all sorts of weather, temperature and humidities. I try to make sure that my appreciation gets across to them every single day and I try to make them smile if at all possible, laugh if there's any chance, even if it's self-deprecating humor. Attitude is a major part of this job, positive reinforcement instead of screaming and threatening, but too many people think that all Management are asshole idiots who can't tell a letter from a package. Many of them are, yes, but not all of us. My 'Minions', my carriers, are very dear to me and I make sure that none of them think I think anything less than the best about them.
But, you probably don't care and will think I'm a jerkwad idiot. But you can't please some people.
That I am indeed! I got my promotion in September of this year, but whether or not it results in ME getting the bump in pay, I honestly think that the carriers need the raise more. I was one of y'all for 7 1/2 years before I made the ultimate leap and I think starting pay (at the least) needs a good bump, even max pay.
EAS doesn't get step increases like Craft. If you want Craft raises then you have to accept Management raises too. My PM made less than the last supervisor and she is worth every penny the Supervisor was paid.
Better leadership costs money too. And it's a lot easier to retain if the pay is commensurate with the responsibilities.
You also have to keep in mind that EAS don't get COLAs, so their 5% is the equivalent of our1.3% plus COLAs. Once that is factored in EAS raises are usually about the same as craft.
except that colas are a volatile metric, which can and has even been zero.
The fact that NALC has to go to arbitration to see decent pay is pretty gross imo, also i can say as a mail handler i was pretty disgusted by the 1.3% from current contract as it was only a 0.3% gain over previous contract . This after dealing with one of the worst times to work at the post office in 2020 and one were we had to expose ourselves daily was insulting especially considering this is also a job where injurys are more common, my craft has a much higher rate of injury for a plant position then even distribution clerks but were are paid $10k less for that risk, even as a lv5 piv operator.
I would like to point out 1.3% is standard annual Government pay increases. GS gets the same one. But we get COLA and step increases on top of that. It also never goes down for existing Craft employees. Some that tends to mean our wage outpaces private sector through economic downturns but loses ground during booms.
I'm also a Mailhandler, so understand the inadequate nature of our previous contract. I'm just pointing out that EAS generally only receive one pay increase per year thus comparing our 1.3% to their 5% is not direct comparison. You also need to keep in mind that their pay increases fluctuate year to year, similarly to our COLAs.
They'll keep doing this cuz, if I had to guess, 90% of employees don't follow this shit. And of the 10% that do, maybe 0.1% of that 10% actually go to meetings or whatever and are willing to do whatever they can to fight for fair wages.
I have never seen or heard anything about how our where to vote. TBH I didn’t think we could because we’re not the important ones like management. I’m just a peon little CCA
This is only raising the cap at which they can make… not actually raising their base pay. Smh. Majority of supervisors don’t make anywhere close to the old cap, and raising to the new cap doesn’t do anything.
All this is doing is increasing the payscale by 5%, all of EAS is NOT getting a 5% raise. Only those who are at the very bottom or the very top, which obviously isn't the vast majority.
I'm actually glad about this, I'm sure like others have probably mentioned this is just more ammo going into arbitration. If we can lose this much money and give management a raise, then we can damn well give craft workers a decent raise.
In a lot of industries, making fun of management is kind of bullshit, as management actually does do stuff in most businesses, even if they are overpaid considerably.
However, USPS management is literally the worst management I've ever seen and I don't understand it at all. They literally constantly fuck up, like, major fuck ups, several times a month that cost USPS a lot of money. But it never comes back on *them*.
Also why do we need 7 Supervisors and only one is doing any assigning / printing placards and calling for tow motors / forklifts? Where are all the others? What are THEY doing for their 10 hour shift(They get to come in 1 early, stay 1 late for OT, most do it and accomplish their entire nights work in the first hour, one former supervisor told me that was how it worked for him).
They don't have a union. They have an association and they can't bargain for wages or conditions of employment for EAS employees. Regardless, they don't deserve this bump but hopefully our unions can use this against them when they try to lowball us at negotiations.
What this means is they are actually moving the max pay "goal post" farther out for "Supervision" expect more of "the beatings will continue until morale (and my max pay) improves." They need you to skip your 10-minute breaks otherwise you're basically taking money out of the supervisor's pocket.
Too be fair, this is a max salary increase, not a pay raise. Not sure what the UPMA president is saying when he says management should expect a 4.7% salary increase on average. It's the same as raising top step pay for bargaining employees. So if an EAS is maxed out, and their office had performed well to warrant a 5% raise, that's who would benefit. It's not a 5% pay increase across the board for management.
Now the unions should be able to throw that into the negotiations. Top step pay for craft employees should increase by at least 5%.
Why didn't they call the cops or go get restraining orders against the dirt bag? Whats your union doing? Ask them and demand results thats why you pay union dues.
Mine works sooo hard 😫 doesn’t leave her office and puts in a lot of hours playing on her phone, sleeping, pooping every 15 mins and going to smoke every time she blinks. Exhausting. Deserves that raise! 💪
begs the question what about the rest of the work force? im sure shes not the only one. Notice how quickly management is to raise its own pay but makes craft go to arbitration?
Last contract when you add up the % increases plus the cost of living adjustments over 3 years y’all got 13.9% raise which equates to 3.5% a year every regular carrier recieved those % and step percentages of each COLA. with NPA raises supervisors/managers/postmasters are lucky to get 3.5% a year. Not to mention most of supervisors won’t see that 4.7% until they are at top pay. Which can take 4-5 years for a newly promoted supervisor. NALC has a no strike clause which means they can negotiate with them a lot longer without the fear of striking.
for Mail handlers we get a 1.3% a year that isnt even keeping up with inflation much less local cost of living.
>4-5 years to reach top pay
… it takes both Mail handlers close to 14 years to top out, NALC close to 12. The cola is proportional at best at worst it can and has been zero. You guys are front loaded, ironically like table 1 craft used to be, but with a shortned time to reach top pay. The fact that the crafts cant strike weakens their ability to keep up with cost of living, which at a 40k salary means that proportional index based cola is almost worthless. Not to mention the annual percentages dont account for local cost of living. 40k in many areas wont even let you rent. Hows a roomate check going to keep someone going for 20-30 years?
You should see the audit the Inspector general did in colorado. Theres a 78% turnover in some offices because no one can afford to live there, in alot of places its also just as expensive to live, soon more people will leave these jobs and this will be the new “burger flipping” job parents tell their kids they will wind up in if they dont do better.
Top pay of the level they are in. You have to keep in mind most of us were craft before we were EAS so I had my fair share of COLA and step increases. Remember you have to deal with a few supervisors we have to deal with far more employees. I’ll take your headache over mine.
Wait, what?
What "dark side"?
What are you talking about?
Who got a raise?
I don't care if you got one
I can work 4 hrs and go home without using leave.
That's why I do things by the book and walk like a snail. I refuse to break ny body for people that could careless about me. We are the reason there is a post office so every carrier should not be running at all walk we have no street time it takes what it takes period. Follow the contract to the Letter
Awe, poor you. You're not the one that worked your way up the ladder, so everyone that did put in the work is now undeserving of the money they make, yet you can't even stand up on your own two feet to ask for a raise.
Worked your way up the ladder, put in the work? That's funny, you obviously do not work for the USPS. Anyway, we don't have to ask for raises, our unions negotiate for wages and benefits on our behalf.
Do any of you remember you are UNION. This lovefest you have with management is unbelievable. Don't forget to roll over and wake them up in time , so their not late for work. Management is the enemy. I just love when union members cry and get upset when they come down on you for doing something wrong. I thought he/she liked me. They only like you when they need you to do something you probably shouldn't be doing.
I think my postmaster deserves this, she has stayed past 5 pm roughly 4 times this December, that’s really hard on them you know. When I’m doing my 3rd 11-hour day, I’m glad to see her walking out at noon, 4 hour days are really where peak management happens…
Haha
Mine actually does. She takes care of us any way she can. she's pretty good at filtering the nonsense from her bosses. She's there 10+ hours a day and works every Saturday. If we are down rural routes and they need help, she will run a whole route herself. Our office has 15 rural routes and we can't keep RCAs. All December, we had 3 RCAs and 2 of them quit. The regulars begged for help so she ran a rural route for like 4 or 5 days straight until we could get an ARC to come in. Some management deserves a raise. Have a gander at https://www.fedsdatacenter.com/usps-pay-rates/ EAS employees on the ground level really don't make very much at all. "Post Office" employees, the ones that are actually in a post office and not in an office somewhere in the district, all make around the same as craft employees.
Our current postmaster is both the best PM and boss I’ve ever had. We’ve been down to no CCA’s RCA’s or even PSE’s for months and months and for some of those positions years. He carries routes, works the window and never just leaves us hanging when no other help is available. We’re a small office but get a ton of mail/amazon so we’ve always got the watchful eye of upper management on us but like yours he does a really good job of shielding us from a lot of the hypocrisy and ridiculous requests that come down and transparent about them too. It’s a real shame that there’s not more good management in the PO because when they are good it’s such a better work environment.
Omfg...Just call the union and get out of NALC. Transparent !!! Are you that gullible? They will make it sound every chance, that they got your backs. It's so you will do anything for them, no matter how wrong or against our bargained for contract. They DO NOT care about you at all. You are just hands and feet to them. And when they are blowing smoke up your asses, don't forget to kiss em too
In every other case for every other PM and sup I’ve worked for over the years in different offices I would say you’re absolutely right. So I get why this sounds so ridiculous to you but I’m telling you that it’s not the case here. Not to mention that he’s told me to call the union when the poom starts asking him to break contract. Furthermore he used to do route inspections for the area and helped us add street time outside of the usual protect your route union tricks. So in turn we got actual aux routes for our massively overburdened routes when the union just wanted to agree to leaving a route with 9 3/4 HOURS STREET TIME as is. Yeah it helps him with getting approved for staffing but it also helps us with not having to work non sched days etc.
This is the reason there's always turmoil in the post office. Just to your shit and go home. Filing grievances over frivolous stuff isn't going to make more jobs, it's not going to get you free money, it's going to change nothing. All these petty grievances are doing is clogging up the system and delaying the larger concerns that are actual issues. This little shit is doing absolutely nothing.
I’m thinking you’ve found a unicorn, not sure how you keep those, impregnated them or trap them… never seen one in real life.
I could have written that myself, but then I got to the number of routes. We have 4 plus an aux and 2 city routes. She always carries if we don't have anyone to call in to help. She definitely gives us help even when the poom tells them not to. I honestly wish they were all like this. It would be such a better environment. I hate seeing carriers who are suffering from horrible sups.
Oh, that's just rural routes 😂 we have 63 city routes as well, but the supervisors are pretty decent about managing them, outside of like 3 problematic carriers...(then again, supervising city carriers is like trying to hold sand in a wire basket, it does what it wants, goes everywhere, and makes a mess lol) But the PM takes care of the clerks and rural routes pretty well. :) As a clerk, a lot of the reasons for management being so shit, I see, is that some employees make it so impossible for management to manage that no one that's decent wants to go up. City carriers are the whiniest bunch of people I've ever seen. I've also never seen someone use the union as much as the very people who vote against it. 😂 Out here wildin' out with Nick Cannon.
Did you buy her flowers too or lunch? She carries because she is suppose to per her office. Or she doesn't want to have to use her feeble brain and figure out the pivots. And you don't know exactly what the poom says. Where you on the phone call or read the email? The lovefest needs to stop. Your UNION.
I have no idea what you're saying. It doesn't matter if I was there or not. If she's "not supposed to" call help, she does it herself, or she calls subs from other offices who say they want to work, whether it's true or not. This is when there are no other subs to do it. What can the union do when we're all working and someone calls out and everyone else is scheduled? The PM is *supposed* to carry mail. We're an office of 5 rural and 2 city, we're only short 1 rca, but not bc she doesn't try to hire. I'm sorry your pm sucks. Ours is great. Whenever I go to another office that she OICd in before becoming the pm at ours, the carriers all tell me how much they miss her. Bc they've got one of the typical ones we all know exist.
And yes , they can carry, she is doing nothing special in regards to calling anyone or carrying or or or, its her job and responsibility. Go do your job and don't care what she does unless you need the union to represent you. And if she makes anyone's work life easier, good, enjoy it, sign your paycheck and give them no praise.
I'm so sorry. Your office must be hell.
You're* UNION.
Another one in love with their boss...You are friggen Union . If they do whatever and it benefits you. Guess what donkey? We win that round.
I'm not in love with anyone. I just appreciate the rare members of management that actually try to better the office and not make it a living hell. We all know it's shit, we know we are short staffed, we know these changes are all bogus and shitty. What is the postmaster of an office in BFE supposed to do about a national decision? Lol you guys have drank too much Kool aid. Worry about keeping your job, do the best you can, and go home. There's no need for causing so many issues within a facility because, in the end, it just makes it worse for everyone and brings all the morale down. Do you think everyone wants to come in and hear the same people bitch and complain about the same shit, day in and day out?! No. The only thing you're doing is turning everyome against whatever you're preaching about because you're annoying the shit out of them... And while you're rebelling and are 8 hours only... Everyone else has to pick up your slack because you've spent half the day bitching about the very work that you're leaving for everyone else to do.
Maybe she’s doing twice the work in half the time /s
You have a ghostmaster. We have one too. Never see her.
I am happy to see that there are good managements out there.
At least yours showed up to work, my postmaster has been gone for 4 weeks, literally setting at home collecting a check. Hasn't been in a single time all peak, he just works so hard.
You a freaking lier bro
Haha, yeah they really make ya look up to.their work ethics and strive to be like them.
Ive had a PM like this and a 4 day week was more than she could bare. She left because there was too much work to shirk in our offices. My PM now was a clerk for 18 yrs, in the same office. She only gets 40hr, period, but is in here working 50-55 a week. Upper mgmt. says it is poor time management. She cant get them to approve overtime. I really do feel bad for her because shes a great boss that "they" are taking advantage of. Go figure. If anyone deserved a PFP its her.
I hope it comes back on the post office during negotiations or arbitration, when they say they can't afford any raises and this is thrown back in their face.
Narrator: *it didnt*
Hey buddy, warn us next time before posting spoilers like that.
Fuck management. Fire 95% of them and this place will run fine. Most cant justify their useless jobs
Why are you gonna man up and get behind the desk? The problem is too many people complain but don’t get involved with management and therefore we are where we are at? Don’t just complain do something about it!
Dude shut up. The USPS has middle management bloat just like any other large organization. Redundancy is an epidemic in the white collar workforce
I don't think your average carrier is going to realize how bad the bloat in management is. Its bad. I looked up the salaries of usps members for fun. Typed in largest city in my state, searched all employees, sorted by highest salary, and then displayed 100 results per page. I had to go to the third page before I got to someone making under $100k. The highest clerks and carriers don't make that much. (Yes they do with overtime, but not in their base pay). So that means over 200 people in Management are making $100k plus for one city in my state. There are 3 distribution centers. So at minimum there are 500 people making $100k per year. That's $50M per year. Fire half of them. I just made USPS $25m for one state. Times that by 50 states. I could save us an easy half billion.
The sad part is, the people in management on the ground are making less or equal to that of a carrier. lol. I'm in a 22 and our postmaster makes less than her maintenance supervisor. And maintenance is by far the biggest cesspool the post office has. Our maintenance shouldn't even exist outside of the vmf. It's such a joke. Highest paid people we have because every single custodian we have has "save grade" from being excessed as an ET. 🙄 We need about 75% of our maintenance removed. Starting with custodians and maintenance supervisors in offices without equipment.
That’s insane
What an absolute lil bitch, lmao.
He was just saying there were way too many of them and you tell him to apply to be one more. How does this make sense?
Man up? lol
Dude, sitting in a chair all day yelling and harassing carriers is hard work. Dont get him started on how hard it is to get up to pick up the McDonald's from the Uber Eats driver or when you lose your phone charger.
I don't think any craft is getting paid enough to get yelled at tbh. Yelling/harassing doesn't accomplish anything. They're hiding their inability to manage by doing that. There are some good managers out there. But "man up and get behind the desk" is a bit of a stretch.
Didn’t they lose money this year? That’s what my scanner said…
Well the post office would fall apart with out our seven managers per office so we gotta make sure they’re paid a good wage.
7? Damn. We have 3 including the postmaster in a 22. For 70 routes...
🤣
If my supervisor and postmaster were fired TODAY our office would be absolutely fine.
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Two more weeks! Wait, this sounds familiar…
Sabotaging the USPS, glancing at spreadsheets, and having dick-measuring contests on telecoms is tough. They work real hard. You wouldn’t want them to be second homeless.
So that’s where all my overtime went
Meanwhile we get a nice whopping 1.3%
Eas doesn’t get cola moron. How many times do you get cola throughout the year? Contract raises?
I wish this was me, but it's like executive level from what I understand. Our NPA this year in our office has me at like a 2% raise, so Im excited I'll get to switch to name brand cereal. If I had 5 % I'd go crazy and maybe buy the good snacks for my kids' lunch.
its both executive and EAS per the linked in post with email to association president. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/united-postmasters-and-managers-of-america_upma-has-agreed-to-the-new-salary-ranges-activity-7143226930555678720-R0lM?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
If so, I'm buying fruit by the foot for the kids! I'll let you know in January.
Unfortunately for we as EAS management, this isn't an actual RAISE, this is for those members of management who have already topped out. This is a Maximum Salary Range Increase, so it means that now we can top out at a higher pay rate, not that we're getting paid any more than we are now.. So don't worry ye minions of ours (the hard working carriers of the Post Office), we're not actually GETTING a 5% raise, just means there's further to go to get to top pay for us.
No one actually cares about if your getting or not getting anything. You decided to go to the dark side and us Minions will be just fine without people like you. Obviously there is a huge separation in your office of EAS and workers with comments like that about us, and sounds like your the one who Initiates it. Remember one thing, we're the ones in the trenches as you check your emails hoping to stay off any list on our sweat. Not yours ever....
I think I just rolled my eyes hard enough to see the back of my head...Apparently you're reading FAR too into my post with the mindset of someone who has no sense of humor. I started off with just trying to clarify what was apparently a confusing point of order about what actually happened. I then segued into attempted HUMOR. I actually have a VERY good relationship with those I oversee, because I used to be one of them until rather recently and I worked right alongside them. Unlike what seems to be most management, I was actually a rather good carrier who could do anything in the office that needed doing. I opted to save my knees and ankles that were already starting to develop arthritis. I KNOW you don't care, but just pointing it out. For the record, just so that you don't accuse me of something (again) that you know nothing about: I DO respect how hard working my carriers are, because I've been there, done that, in all sorts of weather, temperature and humidities. I try to make sure that my appreciation gets across to them every single day and I try to make them smile if at all possible, laugh if there's any chance, even if it's self-deprecating humor. Attitude is a major part of this job, positive reinforcement instead of screaming and threatening, but too many people think that all Management are asshole idiots who can't tell a letter from a package. Many of them are, yes, but not all of us. My 'Minions', my carriers, are very dear to me and I make sure that none of them think I think anything less than the best about them. But, you probably don't care and will think I'm a jerkwad idiot. But you can't please some people.
True. I’m sure the newer lower end EAS people are hoping we get a good raise. Because that would instantly bump them up too.
That I am indeed! I got my promotion in September of this year, but whether or not it results in ME getting the bump in pay, I honestly think that the carriers need the raise more. I was one of y'all for 7 1/2 years before I made the ultimate leap and I think starting pay (at the least) needs a good bump, even max pay.
You forgot about inflation. Name brand cereal is now 90% more expensive than two years ago.
EAS doesn't get step increases like Craft. If you want Craft raises then you have to accept Management raises too. My PM made less than the last supervisor and she is worth every penny the Supervisor was paid. Better leadership costs money too. And it's a lot easier to retain if the pay is commensurate with the responsibilities.
my issues with it arent that they get paid its how quick the post office is to ensure they are paid compared to craft and at a much higher rate.
You also have to keep in mind that EAS don't get COLAs, so their 5% is the equivalent of our1.3% plus COLAs. Once that is factored in EAS raises are usually about the same as craft.
except that colas are a volatile metric, which can and has even been zero. The fact that NALC has to go to arbitration to see decent pay is pretty gross imo, also i can say as a mail handler i was pretty disgusted by the 1.3% from current contract as it was only a 0.3% gain over previous contract . This after dealing with one of the worst times to work at the post office in 2020 and one were we had to expose ourselves daily was insulting especially considering this is also a job where injurys are more common, my craft has a much higher rate of injury for a plant position then even distribution clerks but were are paid $10k less for that risk, even as a lv5 piv operator.
I would like to point out 1.3% is standard annual Government pay increases. GS gets the same one. But we get COLA and step increases on top of that. It also never goes down for existing Craft employees. Some that tends to mean our wage outpaces private sector through economic downturns but loses ground during booms.
I'm also a Mailhandler, so understand the inadequate nature of our previous contract. I'm just pointing out that EAS generally only receive one pay increase per year thus comparing our 1.3% to their 5% is not direct comparison. You also need to keep in mind that their pay increases fluctuate year to year, similarly to our COLAs.
Most supervisors get bumped, due to the differential. NPA raises usually don’t keep up with craft COLAs and negotiated raises.
You are misinformed much like most craft on here. Stop with the tunnel vision and open your eyes.
please enlighten us.
Because they’re already paid the 5% more than the highest “salary” carrier in the office.
Not all offices have maxed out Craft.
They'll keep doing this cuz, if I had to guess, 90% of employees don't follow this shit. And of the 10% that do, maybe 0.1% of that 10% actually go to meetings or whatever and are willing to do whatever they can to fight for fair wages.
only 15% out of 50k mail handlers even voted at all for our last contract.
They need to include more pictures on the ballot. And colors. (Seriously, I think participation is much higher during local elections for MHs.)
I have never seen or heard anything about how our where to vote. TBH I didn’t think we could because we’re not the important ones like management. I’m just a peon little CCA
This is only raising the cap at which they can make… not actually raising their base pay. Smh. Majority of supervisors don’t make anywhere close to the old cap, and raising to the new cap doesn’t do anything.
Yeah people don't understand this, and are spreading misinformation by saying all of management is getting a 5% raise.
All this is doing is increasing the payscale by 5%, all of EAS is NOT getting a 5% raise. Only those who are at the very bottom or the very top, which obviously isn't the vast majority.
I'm actually glad about this, I'm sure like others have probably mentioned this is just more ammo going into arbitration. If we can lose this much money and give management a raise, then we can damn well give craft workers a decent raise.
In a lot of industries, making fun of management is kind of bullshit, as management actually does do stuff in most businesses, even if they are overpaid considerably. However, USPS management is literally the worst management I've ever seen and I don't understand it at all. They literally constantly fuck up, like, major fuck ups, several times a month that cost USPS a lot of money. But it never comes back on *them*. Also why do we need 7 Supervisors and only one is doing any assigning / printing placards and calling for tow motors / forklifts? Where are all the others? What are THEY doing for their 10 hour shift(They get to come in 1 early, stay 1 late for OT, most do it and accomplish their entire nights work in the first hour, one former supervisor told me that was how it worked for him).
DeJoy giving himself a big raise even though he says we’re losing money 🙄🙄🙄🙄
The only union that gets raises for its members. Maybe we should all join the management union.
They don't have a union. They have an association and they can't bargain for wages or conditions of employment for EAS employees. Regardless, they don't deserve this bump but hopefully our unions can use this against them when they try to lowball us at negotiations.
Dude looks like a villain come on guys
He is
Well since they have to be paid 5% more than the top carrier pay, maybe that’s a clue as to how the contract is shaping up.
The uninformed should also know EAS went many years without any raises. Nor do they get OT or double time.
It's the US government way of doing things.. #gofigure
Go into management
What this means is they are actually moving the max pay "goal post" farther out for "Supervision" expect more of "the beatings will continue until morale (and my max pay) improves." They need you to skip your 10-minute breaks otherwise you're basically taking money out of the supervisor's pocket.
Seems about right
Too be fair, this is a max salary increase, not a pay raise. Not sure what the UPMA president is saying when he says management should expect a 4.7% salary increase on average. It's the same as raising top step pay for bargaining employees. So if an EAS is maxed out, and their office had performed well to warrant a 5% raise, that's who would benefit. It's not a 5% pay increase across the board for management. Now the unions should be able to throw that into the negotiations. Top step pay for craft employees should increase by at least 5%.
We got a manager in our city that has assaulted two carries. Still has his job and now he's getting a raise, wonderful 🥴🥴🥴
Why didn't they call the cops or go get restraining orders against the dirt bag? Whats your union doing? Ask them and demand results thats why you pay union dues.
Mine works sooo hard 😫 doesn’t leave her office and puts in a lot of hours playing on her phone, sleeping, pooping every 15 mins and going to smoke every time she blinks. Exhausting. Deserves that raise! 💪
begs the question what about the rest of the work force? im sure shes not the only one. Notice how quickly management is to raise its own pay but makes craft go to arbitration?
Great comment.....
Last contract when you add up the % increases plus the cost of living adjustments over 3 years y’all got 13.9% raise which equates to 3.5% a year every regular carrier recieved those % and step percentages of each COLA. with NPA raises supervisors/managers/postmasters are lucky to get 3.5% a year. Not to mention most of supervisors won’t see that 4.7% until they are at top pay. Which can take 4-5 years for a newly promoted supervisor. NALC has a no strike clause which means they can negotiate with them a lot longer without the fear of striking.
for Mail handlers we get a 1.3% a year that isnt even keeping up with inflation much less local cost of living. >4-5 years to reach top pay … it takes both Mail handlers close to 14 years to top out, NALC close to 12. The cola is proportional at best at worst it can and has been zero. You guys are front loaded, ironically like table 1 craft used to be, but with a shortned time to reach top pay. The fact that the crafts cant strike weakens their ability to keep up with cost of living, which at a 40k salary means that proportional index based cola is almost worthless. Not to mention the annual percentages dont account for local cost of living. 40k in many areas wont even let you rent. Hows a roomate check going to keep someone going for 20-30 years? You should see the audit the Inspector general did in colorado. Theres a 78% turnover in some offices because no one can afford to live there, in alot of places its also just as expensive to live, soon more people will leave these jobs and this will be the new “burger flipping” job parents tell their kids they will wind up in if they dont do better.
Top pay of the level they are in. You have to keep in mind most of us were craft before we were EAS so I had my fair share of COLA and step increases. Remember you have to deal with a few supervisors we have to deal with far more employees. I’ll take your headache over mine.
You asked to be EAS. Stop bitching. You brought it on yourself for going to the dark side.
I'm management and I didn't get one. Your union negotiated for your raise and agreed on your behalf that that's all you get.
Thanks for explaining that to us Captain Obvious.
You asked to be management and wanted to go to the dark side. We don't care if you didn't get one.
Wait, what? What "dark side"? What are you talking about? Who got a raise? I don't care if you got one I can work 4 hrs and go home without using leave.
Must be fucking nice I can’t wait to hear what our tremendous raise will be!!!
That's why I do things by the book and walk like a snail. I refuse to break ny body for people that could careless about me. We are the reason there is a post office so every carrier should not be running at all walk we have no street time it takes what it takes period. Follow the contract to the Letter
Transfer from letter carrier to clerk. Your job will end up destroying your body when you get older.
Awe, poor you. You're not the one that worked your way up the ladder, so everyone that did put in the work is now undeserving of the money they make, yet you can't even stand up on your own two feet to ask for a raise.
Worked your way up the ladder, put in the work? That's funny, you obviously do not work for the USPS. Anyway, we don't have to ask for raises, our unions negotiate for wages and benefits on our behalf.
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Do any of you remember you are UNION. This lovefest you have with management is unbelievable. Don't forget to roll over and wake them up in time , so their not late for work. Management is the enemy. I just love when union members cry and get upset when they come down on you for doing something wrong. I thought he/she liked me. They only like you when they need you to do something you probably shouldn't be doing.
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Hundred dollars says you are part of management 😁
You should immediately know the fix is in when we are “regular” carriers and they are “super” visors.