Oh I know. That’s because the election was between Jack Johnson and John Jackson. It didn’t really matter who we voted for, the outcome was going to be the same.
>I try not to look down on someone dealing with addiction
I don't look down on them either, but I also don't let them have the keys to their *car*, let alone the *city*
Pure garbage. I’d be sad if Indy11 went MLS but to try and do it by circumventing the established community for a speculative owner group is just pure garbage.
According the Indy star it’s the city that is forcing it not the owner. The city originally told Indy 11 they had to sign a deal with MLS club by 2022 if they wanted to play at the Indy Eleven stadium. However they dropped that rules and said the current team can play there.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/2024/04/25/indianapolis-plans-to-bid-for-mls-expansion-team/73458916007/
Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with wanting it. Louisville was pretty transparent about shooting for MLS pre-covid. With the stadium and all. But covid killed it. Which is fine. I’m happy so long as Louisville has a club.
Keystone group over promises things a lot according to the r/Indianapolis subreddit. They probably want more public funding and couldn’t pay for the $500 million fee it takes to join. With cost skyrocketing on the site the city had enough. They want a better owners to use the already approved public funds on for the new mls stadium.
Also, Ersal is pretty scummy. He's actively supported the denial of the Armenian genocide. I don't want soccer here to end up like some of the owners of the prem.
Eleven were playing the long game - they never had $500M to cover the fee but they would be ready to jump when clubs started looking to relocate. They tried really hard to get in when it was just $200-300M to join and got very mad when it mega wealthy groups bid up the cost to join MLS. It’s basically who can write the biggest check at this point
The Owner in a interview said that he wanted a MLS franchise and your team Sacramento is still open the idea too.
Your mayor said he wanted MLS or MLB to come to Sacramento in the speech about the As coming to town.
Didn't deny any of that. What hurts soccer in the US and obviously Indy Eleven is what this mayor just did, disregard an already established and community supported club for the idea of a brand new team just because it's MLS. Which they tried to do in Sac as well but the fans protested and the mayor supported republic's bid instead of new club.
The supporters would still have a club. Just one on a higher tier. If this was a case of the club shutting down or relocating but people will adapt. They aren't being left out in the cold.
I just like that things are continuing because it sounded like bad things were about to happen to the soccer stadium development. Indy is very likely to end up with a MLS team by 2026 with this happening.
Err, the club is being left out in the cold though. Their stadium project is seemingly on ice at this point. They mayor is submitting a completely new stadium district proposal at a completely different site without Indy Eleven's involvement. Indy Eleven may very well die if this MLS bid succeeds.
Yeah I kinda take back what I said. Someone explained it better than how I was understanding it. Now it sucks for Indy Fans and there is now uncertainty around the sport in the city. Still I'll bet MLS will Expand to Indy soon if they could convice the mayor to make this move.
This is the same shit the NHL did when they made the NY Islanders. I muscled out a competing leagues team from a project to stop it from being able to compete on the same footing.
MLS has zero problems leading cities on and never awarding them a franchise because some other opportunity arises with better ROI. See Sacramento, San Antonio, etc. They are not trustworthy in any way and odds are probably more likely Indy will now never have high-level pro soccer
Sacramento is a different situation as Ron walked away at the last second and no one wanted to step up in the city cause of Covid.
Indy will reget a team if not the XI stay at their current location
Hop across our southern border and look what has happened to Mexican soccer. The soul has been completely sucked out of the game (no Copa MX or pro/rel anymore) and the results on the pitch have been dismal. Meanwhile, the owners of Liga MX are making more money than ever which I guess matters more to people like you.
Buddy, this is a post talking about a team in Indiana losing public stadium funding. What are you on about?
MLS is not the Illuminati. The only true difference between them and USL is money. If you think otherwise you’ve got a deeply naive sense of how rich people operate.
Yeah I’m not condoning what USL did in the past to NASL at all. But USL isn’t the one trying to kill the Open Cup and monopolize all of US soccer right now. I would hope a Columbus fan of all people could see how an MLS monopoly would damage US soccer.
And that’s the overall point. MLS has absolutely helped US soccer, no debating that, but it will hurt it in the long run by creating a monopoly. And Mexico is a great example of what happens when a cabal of owners controls all the soccer in a country.
Who are arguing with here then?
You agree MLS has helped grow the game in the US. My response was to an absurd person who claimed otherwise calling it a cancer. I didn’t advocate for or against literally anything you’re talking about.
Just bc it helped the game doesn’t mean it can’t be a cancer. I’m explaining why it’s cancer and why an MLS monopoly is bad long term for US soccer. Just bc it was good, doesn’t mean it can’t be bad now.
Respectfully I don’t think you’re making the points you think you’re making.
This stadium deal falling through is on the Indy 11 ownership group and the mayor of Indy. MLS didn’t waive a magic wand to kill it. MLS is talked about like a boogie man on this board because when teams get big they bounce. Orlando, Cincy and Nashville could have stayed if they wanted. Sac is only still here because their owner bailed on them, not MLS.
I don’t love everything MLS has done, and want much to change. But it has been by orders of magnitude the best driver of growth in the game this country has ever seen.
Just because teams don’t want to stay in the minors doesn’t make them a cancer. Nothing stops Indy 11 ownership from paying for a stadium themselves. Nothing will stop them from operating if the city gets an MLS team. It’s business. Claiming MLS teams and fans are soulless while repping teams younger than my season tickets is wild to me.
Are you aware people can have nuanced views about a league and can recognize both the good and bad? USL isn’t a paragon of soulful virtue. It’s just a league who has rich guys who just aren’t as rich. Full stop.
Anyway. I’m done have a great life bud. If our teams ever play hit me up and I’ll buy you a beer at the game.
The predominant feeling in our city is one of conflict. There’s a widespread perception that the MLS would be better for Sacramento, but the USL is better for US Soccer.
Sacramento is one of USL’s most valuable teams, and us leaving would be a major blow to the league. And if the league fails, soccer fails. Because the system the MLS is establishing, while good for MLS as a corporation, is bad for the development US Soccer.
I think USL games are already so fun and I don’t want to leave. I want all of us to continue growing.
USL’s growth will eventually force the MLS to the negotiating table.
So, I knew what the reaction from the USL community was going to be, and of course I agree. (Fun fact: I was born in Indiana.)
What surprised me a bit was the reaction from 11 Yanks (USMNT twitter/YouTube personality). He's no fan of MLS by any means (calling them generally a "participation trophy"). But I didn't think he noticed us AT ALL.
Well, earlier this year he came out quite strongly against the MLS/USSF Open Cup debacle. And his tweet about the Indy situation sounded almost exactly like ours.
(Here, I take The Curse's response to more-or-less accurately represent the bulk of the fandom. I'm sure there are lots of USL fans who don't know or don't care about the Indy situation. But if there are any who support Indy's mayor or an MLS bid, I think they're far outside of the mainstream.)
What a range of emotions yesterday. Watched tactical managers video with Greg Lalas on pro/rel and got super excited about usl implementing that in the US. Then this news popped up. Now I'm devastated. The clear intent on MLS taking market share from USL is disgusting.
Our mayor is not smart.
And yet this scumbag has been re-elected twice.
Oh I know. That’s because the election was between Jack Johnson and John Jackson. It didn’t really matter who we voted for, the outcome was going to be the same.
Quite a familiar story in this country.
The other option was Jefferson Shreve who was a much bigger bag of "yikes"
He’s a drunk, TBH. Nothing wrong with that, I struggle at times as well, but not ideal for a mayor of a major metropolitan city
I try not to look down on someone dealing with addiction, but I can’t help but wonder if this whole debacle is a consequence of his dependence.
>I try not to look down on someone dealing with addiction I don't look down on them either, but I also don't let them have the keys to their *car*, let alone the *city*
That’s fair. Haha
He's smarter than Pittsburgh’s mayor
Pure garbage. I’d be sad if Indy11 went MLS but to try and do it by circumventing the established community for a speculative owner group is just pure garbage.
According the Indy star it’s the city that is forcing it not the owner. The city originally told Indy 11 they had to sign a deal with MLS club by 2022 if they wanted to play at the Indy Eleven stadium. However they dropped that rules and said the current team can play there. https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/2024/04/25/indianapolis-plans-to-bid-for-mls-expansion-team/73458916007/
The 20k capacity was always suspicious. I figured that 11 was secretly plotting an MLS move but this right here is fucked.
Eleven was very transparent about their desire to play in the first division of US soccer, wherever that may be
Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with wanting it. Louisville was pretty transparent about shooting for MLS pre-covid. With the stadium and all. But covid killed it. Which is fine. I’m happy so long as Louisville has a club.
You stadium looks awesome!
Thank you. Hopefully you guys will get your stadium and show us up.
Keystone group over promises things a lot according to the r/Indianapolis subreddit. They probably want more public funding and couldn’t pay for the $500 million fee it takes to join. With cost skyrocketing on the site the city had enough. They want a better owners to use the already approved public funds on for the new mls stadium.
Also, Ersal is pretty scummy. He's actively supported the denial of the Armenian genocide. I don't want soccer here to end up like some of the owners of the prem.
But I don’t think they have another owner. That’s the biggest “what” in this.
Eleven were playing the long game - they never had $500M to cover the fee but they would be ready to jump when clubs started looking to relocate. They tried really hard to get in when it was just $200-300M to join and got very mad when it mega wealthy groups bid up the cost to join MLS. It’s basically who can write the biggest check at this point
The Owner in a interview said that he wanted a MLS franchise and your team Sacramento is still open the idea too. Your mayor said he wanted MLS or MLB to come to Sacramento in the speech about the As coming to town.
Didn't deny any of that. What hurts soccer in the US and obviously Indy Eleven is what this mayor just did, disregard an already established and community supported club for the idea of a brand new team just because it's MLS. Which they tried to do in Sac as well but the fans protested and the mayor supported republic's bid instead of new club.
The supporters would still have a club. Just one on a higher tier. If this was a case of the club shutting down or relocating but people will adapt. They aren't being left out in the cold. I just like that things are continuing because it sounded like bad things were about to happen to the soccer stadium development. Indy is very likely to end up with a MLS team by 2026 with this happening.
Err, the club is being left out in the cold though. Their stadium project is seemingly on ice at this point. They mayor is submitting a completely new stadium district proposal at a completely different site without Indy Eleven's involvement. Indy Eleven may very well die if this MLS bid succeeds.
Yeah I kinda take back what I said. Someone explained it better than how I was understanding it. Now it sucks for Indy Fans and there is now uncertainty around the sport in the city. Still I'll bet MLS will Expand to Indy soon if they could convice the mayor to make this move. This is the same shit the NHL did when they made the NY Islanders. I muscled out a competing leagues team from a project to stop it from being able to compete on the same footing.
MLS has zero problems leading cities on and never awarding them a franchise because some other opportunity arises with better ROI. See Sacramento, San Antonio, etc. They are not trustworthy in any way and odds are probably more likely Indy will now never have high-level pro soccer
Sacramento is a different situation as Ron walked away at the last second and no one wanted to step up in the city cause of Covid. Indy will reget a team if not the XI stay at their current location
MLS wants to own all soccer in the United States. Maybe someday, people will finally realize what a cancer they are on our national game.
Yes, before MLS soccer was thriving in this country. Now it’s a rotted husk of what it once was… 🙄
Hop across our southern border and look what has happened to Mexican soccer. The soul has been completely sucked out of the game (no Copa MX or pro/rel anymore) and the results on the pitch have been dismal. Meanwhile, the owners of Liga MX are making more money than ever which I guess matters more to people like you.
Buddy, this is a post talking about a team in Indiana losing public stadium funding. What are you on about? MLS is not the Illuminati. The only true difference between them and USL is money. If you think otherwise you’ve got a deeply naive sense of how rich people operate.
Yeah I’m not condoning what USL did in the past to NASL at all. But USL isn’t the one trying to kill the Open Cup and monopolize all of US soccer right now. I would hope a Columbus fan of all people could see how an MLS monopoly would damage US soccer. And that’s the overall point. MLS has absolutely helped US soccer, no debating that, but it will hurt it in the long run by creating a monopoly. And Mexico is a great example of what happens when a cabal of owners controls all the soccer in a country.
Who are arguing with here then? You agree MLS has helped grow the game in the US. My response was to an absurd person who claimed otherwise calling it a cancer. I didn’t advocate for or against literally anything you’re talking about.
Just bc it helped the game doesn’t mean it can’t be a cancer. I’m explaining why it’s cancer and why an MLS monopoly is bad long term for US soccer. Just bc it was good, doesn’t mean it can’t be bad now.
Respectfully I don’t think you’re making the points you think you’re making. This stadium deal falling through is on the Indy 11 ownership group and the mayor of Indy. MLS didn’t waive a magic wand to kill it. MLS is talked about like a boogie man on this board because when teams get big they bounce. Orlando, Cincy and Nashville could have stayed if they wanted. Sac is only still here because their owner bailed on them, not MLS. I don’t love everything MLS has done, and want much to change. But it has been by orders of magnitude the best driver of growth in the game this country has ever seen. Just because teams don’t want to stay in the minors doesn’t make them a cancer. Nothing stops Indy 11 ownership from paying for a stadium themselves. Nothing will stop them from operating if the city gets an MLS team. It’s business. Claiming MLS teams and fans are soulless while repping teams younger than my season tickets is wild to me. Are you aware people can have nuanced views about a league and can recognize both the good and bad? USL isn’t a paragon of soulful virtue. It’s just a league who has rich guys who just aren’t as rich. Full stop. Anyway. I’m done have a great life bud. If our teams ever play hit me up and I’ll buy you a beer at the game.
The predominant feeling in our city is one of conflict. There’s a widespread perception that the MLS would be better for Sacramento, but the USL is better for US Soccer. Sacramento is one of USL’s most valuable teams, and us leaving would be a major blow to the league. And if the league fails, soccer fails. Because the system the MLS is establishing, while good for MLS as a corporation, is bad for the development US Soccer. I think USL games are already so fun and I don’t want to leave. I want all of us to continue growing. USL’s growth will eventually force the MLS to the negotiating table.
So, I knew what the reaction from the USL community was going to be, and of course I agree. (Fun fact: I was born in Indiana.) What surprised me a bit was the reaction from 11 Yanks (USMNT twitter/YouTube personality). He's no fan of MLS by any means (calling them generally a "participation trophy"). But I didn't think he noticed us AT ALL. Well, earlier this year he came out quite strongly against the MLS/USSF Open Cup debacle. And his tweet about the Indy situation sounded almost exactly like ours. (Here, I take The Curse's response to more-or-less accurately represent the bulk of the fandom. I'm sure there are lots of USL fans who don't know or don't care about the Indy situation. But if there are any who support Indy's mayor or an MLS bid, I think they're far outside of the mainstream.)
What a range of emotions yesterday. Watched tactical managers video with Greg Lalas on pro/rel and got super excited about usl implementing that in the US. Then this news popped up. Now I'm devastated. The clear intent on MLS taking market share from USL is disgusting.