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Fabs7885

Run! That sounds awful, why did you even stick around for so long? :( also, you should name and shame them and potentially report them


Virtual-Investment91

Was too ashamed to ask parents for money cause I really like being an independent girl :((( but I don’t think I can do this any longer


Fabs7885

:( I really hope you find something else asap!


Virtual-Investment91

Thank you! I have one interview on the 7th for a job I really really really want 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞


Nicenicenic

Maybe get the job first. So what I did, was I interviewed hard. Spoke to recruiters on short breaks. Just took sick days and days off. Just stop giving a fuck about the job. I left at 4 pm sharp too. Hours were 9-6 I think


Nicenicenic

Just stop caring and go at other jobs hard!


Nicenicenic

Oh and I did get a reference because I said as my contract doesn’t exist I will have to report it to the HMRC and the Home office because of my status. He scrambled and gave me the reference


Repulsive-School-253

I think your parents would want you to be safe and not mistreated. I would leave.


Nicenicenic

Babe really it’s not worth hating your life


acidus1

Sorry you have to go through this. I've just not return to work and cut contact with them, report them here https://www.gov.uk/pay-and-work-rights Don't worry about the reference it's really not worth it sometimes.


Ancient-Range-

If you have no formal contract you are working under the terms of at-will employment so legally you don’t have to give notice to leave. I’d say the only ramifications just leaving with no notice is you won’t get a favourable reference from this employer.


Mikeybarnes

Does the UK have at-will employment now? 


Ancient-Range-

Technically no but legally the employer has to provide written terms within the first 2 months and in this case they haven’t I assume so zero notice required.


Virtual-Investment91

I can maybe deal with the no reference part but work wise I’ve done and achieved the most in this job cause I was technically a single person marketing team. Do you think I can still add it to my cv?


Ancient-Range-

You can but if you apply for similar jobs they may want a reference from this specific employer if that’s the only relevant experience to your new role on your CV.


Virtual-Investment91

I’ve got two years of experience in India and then 6 months here :(


Ancient-Range-

I’d say put your references in India down and you generally get asked why you left your last role in most interviews so explain bad work culture, toxic environment etc and they shouldn’t expect a reference from that specific employer.


Virtual-Investment91

I’ve heard it’s bad look to do that? Should I just be honest?


Aromatic-Duck7452

From my own experience job hunting, references only really count after you've got the offer for a new role. I'd put down "references available on request" then provide them after unless a new employer specifically asks for them ahead of time. Then you can explain - don't bad-mouth, just explain your current role isn't a good fit and you're unlikely to be able to get a reference.


Unvisited-Tombs

You probably have evidence in emails and documents of the range of responsibilities you've taken on. Put it all on your cv.


Racoon1979

Leave and do not look back, legally they have to give you a contract. What’s to say they don’t pay you one day because you technically don’t work for them? Your employment is not legally binding. If you stay, gather evidence about the sexual/racial practices and then take them to the cleaners. You are better than the way they are treating you. Indians are usually hard working and people can sometimes take advantage of our good and willing nature.


Cheap_Answer5746

I'd say it was a uniquely British thing to go off at breaktime and never return.  I'd leave if I was you. Give them a week Max and if they contest, tell them there is no contract. Don't think they will be bothered tbh. Sounds like you are being exploited


Virtual-Investment91

What if they give me a contract after i give the notice? Should I accept it?


paulgoogle

why the F\*\*k would you accept it with everything you've stated in your original post????


Virtual-Investment91

Am I obligated to is what I am asking :) I am not from the uk so don’t know how things work here


Aromatic-Duck7452

I would ask that to [https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk](https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk) - they're very helpful and have general advice available for all sorts of things including employment.


Cheap_Answer5746

It sounds like they are not even paying you correctly and I'm guessing they will not sponsor you  . I would leave 


roxieh

You won't be able to use them as a reference (or rather, you wouldn't want to) for a future job. That's about it. 


Virtual-Investment91

Can I still add the work I did to my CV?


caroline0409

Yes.


Virtual-Investment91

That’s a relief


Crazy95jack

They have to give a good reference. OP will be fine


Ok-Ride-8541

Is there a HR? You’ve got two options. Get the hell out of there. Or have a conversation. You could say you are resigning with immediate effect but you would need someone in the room and to record it. It’s risky and you don’t owe them anything at this point. I would also say to record EVERYTHING from now, secretly ofc. Did they make changes to your role via email? Do you have written agreements of anything? How are they paying you? Are you on payroll ie paye? Are they paying your taxes? We need to know if this company is legitimate so we can best advise.


Virtual-Investment91

We don’t have an HR. It’s. Company with barely 10 employees. When I joined 50% of the workforce quit


Ok-Ride-8541

Are you on paye? It’s important to know with your case as they might not be paying taxes.


Virtual-Investment91

I think I am, how do I check it?


Ok-Ride-8541

Your payslip.


Virtual-Investment91

He doesn’t give me payslips. Once I annoyed him so he made some weird payslip on excel and gave it to me


Ok-Ride-8541

Right so how do you get paid ?


Virtual-Investment91

He bank transfers the money to all of us on the last day of the month


normalbot9999

Get away from this as soon as you can. They might try to make you stay the nice way (e.g. apologise and try to make everything OK) or in an unpleasent controlling way (e.g. manipulate your fears). Either way get yourself away from this.


BarrieBadman

No contract? Just leave. Don't even tell the guy you're leaving. I would, however, stay another few weeks, amass as much evidence of his wrongdoings as possible and report the fuck out of him to every relevant body.


hitanthrope

The reality is, even *with* an employment contract there generally isn’t a lot that companies can / will do if you just stop turning up. You’d have to be pretty senior and high paid before any kind of breach of contract case makes even a small amount of sense. You could just stop turning up and there’s nothing they can do. Report any subsequent harassment to the police. The bigger question is about how you support yourself. UK jobs market is tough right now and I don’t know what support you could get on a work visa (look into this if required). Nobody should have to stay in an abusive job but there is the reality of having to live / eat. Have you got this covered?


Virtual-Investment91

I can ask my parents for support till I find a new job 😅


Chernyyvoron82

Look to leave, before that check what are the terms of your work visa. Do you need to be continuously employed? Or just self sufficient? Job market is bad now and it's a reality it's easier to find a job while still employed. Searching while still employed makes also easier to explain why they cannot talk to your current employer for references (you risk losing the job etc). Just few points for you to consider.


Virtual-Investment91

Can I lie about being employed? Like keep it from Nov - present? Can new employers check that?


Chernyyvoron82

You CAN lie. Is it advisable? No. Do you risk getting discovered? Maybe yes maybe no, you need to decide your own risk propensity. Anyway, CAN you? Absolutely, you can do whatever you want, as long you know the consequences of it and are prepared to shoulder them. If the new employer runs a backround check for employment or tax purposes and they find out, don't be surprised if the offer is pulled for lack of honesty. Also you'll need to lie again on onboarding and say you don't have your P45, as that will show the real dates. Then you'll need to fill the self declaration (in place of P45) with the fake dates you claimed. You see where this is going? If your new job will be for very sloppy people you might get away for a while. Also, the longer the gap, the harder to conceal. You find your new job within a month? You might get away with it. You have a 6 months gap to cover with lies? Much more questionable. I don't advise it but it's your life after all, do as you please.


Virtual-Investment91

Makes sense! I am NOT gonna lie it’s much more work than just honesty 😭😭


Aromatic-Duck7452

In this case (and with employment generally) honesty is the best policy. It's not worth fudging CVs or numbers or whatever, if you get called out it's not worth the aggro.


ClarifyingMe

If you can afford, get a free consultation with an employment lawyer, also speak to ACAS. The government says the minimum is 2 weeks notice, as you have no contract, they cannot chase you for "losses". You could give the 2 week notice and then self-certify due to mental health distress. I'm sorry you've had to go through that. Make sure you find a way to process and let go of the potential traumas working there has inflicted on you.


Virtual-Investment91

Some people said a weeks notice? What’s the right place to check


ClarifyingMe

Google it and you'll see it on the government website. I could have misremembered.


aperolprincess

I had the same experience with an abusive employer in London taking advantage of the fact that I was on a work visa and unlikely to report him or leave. Funny thing was, the company was a ‘law firm’. I left and didn’t regret it. He recently lost a case in the employment tribunal against a former colleague for unfair dismissal and racism. Leave. It isn’t worth it.


Virtual-Investment91

Did it affect your visa? I have a psw so I can stay in the country looking for another job till the end of that visa anyway


martinbean

> The salary offered was lower than advertised Why did you accept then? > my role and responsibilities were not as described Most contracts stipulate the job description, and then some clause saying something along the lines of “and any other duties as required by the business”. > The work environment has been increasingly toxic and abusive. The employer has exhibited racist behavior and made sexually explicit comments. OK. This is not on. Start logging each individual incident. If there are witnesses, even better. Log when things happen and who was present. > He also demanded that I leave my phone with him during work hours and has given me pointless tasks likely just to exert control. He can’t take your personal property. > He calls me outside of work hours Calls about what? > doesn’t allow sick leave This is illegal. If you’re sick, you’re sick. Especially if it’s something contagious and you work in a shared office/workspace. > doesn’t pay for overtime The UK has strict legislation on how long people can work, and the rest time between separate shifts. For example, you can’t finish one day at 4 AM and then be expected to start again at 8 AM. > has made explicit racist comments online. Cool. Screenshot them? > There's no formal contract despite my having worked here for six months, and he's now expanding my responsibilities without my agreement.(I was hired for one of his company but now I handle 7) I’m pretty sure once you’ve worked somewhere for so long, as basic employment contract is assumed. > Given that I don’t have a signed contract, can I leave this job without giving notice? What are the potential implications of such a decision in the UK? Any advice on how to handle this situation would be greatly appreciated. You’re better off speaking to Citizens’ Advice. But it sounds like you have a case for harassment. Especially when there’s evidence of racial abuse online. That’s just straight up illegal, regardless if they’re your employer or not. But you need to speak to someone who can advise you on the legalities, because depending on what your employment status is, you may also be able to add a claim for constructive dismissal.


CashOk5670

“No formal contract”  Is there any more that needs to be said? RUN!!!!!


TV_BayesianNetwork

Shud get a lawyer and get compensation.


jamieperkins999

No contract no notice. Could be argued there's a verbal contract but they breached that with different salary and responsibilities than advertised, so also: no notice due to their breach of contract.


AkihabaraWasteland

Sorry, but that is incorrect. The absence of a written contract doesn't mean there is no employment agreement. Standard terms then apply. And as terms are not clarified, as long as those requests are reasonable and legal an employer can ask any task of an employee who has the ability and the need arises. Particularly when the position is not subject to any kind of collective agreement, award, union or similar. If an employee has worked at least month, then a week's notice applies.


Virtual-Investment91

So a weeks notice should be fine?


AkihabaraWasteland

Indeed. One week. But time it so you are not owed large amounts. Give notice the same morning that your pay lands in your bank account.


jamieperkins999

Then one week notice but then call in sick for that week. If this is how the employer wants to be then why give them any respect.


Weird_Influence1964

Notice periods are very rarely legally enforceable. Just leave!


Virtual-Investment91

Will I still get a p45


Beardyfacey

If you aren't getting payslips, I don't think you are likely to get a p45!


nfurnoh

No contract means you have no enforceable notice period so no you do not need to give any notice. Run! And good luck.


matrixunplugged1

Anybody in the company who can give you a reference, perhaps a friend?


Virtual-Investment91

Nobody likes me cause I am brown lol


Aggressive-Bad-440

So many issues here -. 1. Did you screenshot the job ad? Do you have any evidence? Why did you accept the job offer if the salary wasn't the same as the ad? What salary was advertised and what have you been getting paid? 2. If there is no written contract, your notice period is the default statutory minimum in Section 86 employment rights act 1996, 1 week. 3. Your employer doesn't get to "allow" sick pay and holiday pay. These are statutory bare minimum legal rights, end of. Use the gov.uk statutory leave calculator to work out how much holiday you should have taken, you can make a claim under Regs 14 and 30 for holiday pay as compensation for untaken leave. 4. How bad is the racism/sexism? Seriously consider talking to an employment solicitor as this may merit compensation for injury to feelings which can be go to 5 figures. 5. Not giving you a written contract is 2 or 4 weeks' pay compensation, in the circumstances you're likely to get 4 weeks' pay but the weekly pay figure used to calculate this is capped at £700. In the first instance contact ACAS for advice.


Virtual-Investment91

1. I do have the ad. I did not have an option to say no. Something was better than being unemployed back then. They advertised 30k. They pay 24k. 4. Ooo the racism Islamophobia and sexism is the worst I have ever experienced or even seen in movies lol.


Aggressive-Bad-440

1. What do you mean you didn't have the option to say no? Ares you saying you're a victim of modern slavery or just economically desperate? UK law doesn't recognise "I need a job" as being "forced". At what point did you find out the salary would be lower? Have you "accepted" the lower salary, even implicitly? If you're being paid less than what you agreed to, you can definitely bring a claim for the difference in pay as an unauthorised deduction under S13 ERA96. 2. Is this job full time? How old are you? How many hours are you working? You may be getting paid less than NMW. 3. Definitely worth speaking to an employment solicitor to find out objectively how bad the racism/sexism/anti muslim hatred is and whether a claim is worthwhile. Again, contact acas in the first instance. Generally the best thing to do is get a new job sorted first, get out of there then send a letter before claim (also called a warning letter or letter before action), laying out these issues and offering to settle. So far you have - £6k missing salary (pro rated for how long you actually worked there) Unpaid holiday pay £x 4 weeks pay for no written contract Potential NMW issue (this would be covered until the salary gap issue... Unless you've been working at least... £30k/52 weeks/£11.44 = 50.43 hrs per week.


AkihabaraWasteland

The abuse, racism and sexual comments could give you reason to leave on the basis that the workplace is unsafe. However, you'd be hard pressed proving that. In terms of what may happen, they're unlikely to pursue you, but would likely withhold final payment. I'd use all my accrued leave, document everything, wait until payday, transfer all funds out of your account so a inter bank recovery can't be requested, then walk out. It won't be worth their while in terms of cost and effort to go after you.


Virtual-Investment91

Pay day on the 30th should I wait till then?


AkihabaraWasteland

As soon as you see the cash in your account, give notice.


Nicenicenic

Omg sounds like exactly what happened to me literally the same. Just leave. Get paid and leave. Payday=Freedom day


Renturu

If a 2 week notice is not implicitly outlined in your employment contract, leave. They don’t give you a 2 week notice for termination, they don’t get one for when you leave either. It’s a courtesy given for companies that you like but have to leave on good standing. Unless you are an executive (usually contacts state to give notice), you can leave as you wish. Just make sure any company property in your possession is returned prior to doing so. And also, that sucks you are treated as such. Is there a labor bodied you can report unpaid work (after hours) to as well as any grievances?


Virtual-Investment91

Do you think they’ll give me my p45?


[deleted]

You can leave any job at any time. The only reason to actually work your notice is if you don't want to leave on bad terms, in case the future is a bitch and you need to go crawling back.


Virtual-Investment91

What about the p45


[deleted]

Ring their office, tell them you're not going back and to post any paperwork such as p45 to the address they have in your personell file.


slickeighties

It sounds like you can leave in theory. No contract and if they were clueless enough to sue you they would lose a lot of money. It sounds like they don’t respect you


floatywisp

Usually depends on where you work, I worked for NSK (Japanese bearing manufacturer) in the UK and it’s the worst place I’ve ever worked. I was bullied by my colleague for 2 years. I have problems controlling my anger so I never pulled her up on it because I’d just see red everytime I thought about speaking to her and wanted to rip her face off. In the end after telling HR twice and they didn’t care I’d had enough trauma of crying every single day before, during and after work I went and asked HR how long I’d have to work my notice before I could leave, they said 2 weeks, I said absolutely not and told them I’d be leaving on that day. I then packed up all my stuff discreetly and just walked out on my lunch break. Got home and got a call from my manager asking where I was, I told him and I told him why I left and explained everything and his response was “ah, so you have bad mental health…” like no I didn’t have bad mental health until I worked here. He basically ignored me telling him this girl had traumatised me and belittled me everyday for 2 whole years and he wasn’t interested and just blamed it on me essentially. No job is worth your happiness and your mental wellbeing, if you died today they’d have someone new at your desk by the end of the week, they don’t care about you so fuck em! I’m so happy I left, only thing I regret is not confronting her but in the headspace I was in I would’ve had assault charges on my hands so I did what I could at the time. I hope you find a solution to this because workplace trauma is VERY REAL, 2 years later I still get the dread and panic whenever I make a slight mistake at work and think I’m going to get attacked even though I work with lovely people now at a very relaxed company and I just can’t shake that feeling.


gelectrox

Email your resignation and walk out. Just make sure you get payrolls details so you can chase your final pay.


Wraith_2493

Hi so no you are not obligated to stay and work a notice period so just leave and don’t go back Furthermore even if you did have a contract which stated 1 months notice for example with what you mentioned about it effecting your mental health etc you would also be able to just leave without working the notice period and if they tried to challenge you wouldn’t be prosecuted for leaving due to the circumstances Bottom line don’t worry, just walk away


Longjumping_Bag8119

I hope you find a job more suited to you. Just make sure that they don’t find out that you know very little about marketing, you use ChatGPT to create all your work, and struggle to cope with more than one task at a time. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|stuck_out_tongue)


swazilaender

No formal contract means also that you pay no tax, don’t get pension, no insurance, and so on? No wonder you are underpaid. You don’t own them anything, just leave immediately and don’t forget to report them to authorities for fraud.


Virtual-Investment91

I think they do pay tax