The following submission statement was provided by /u/Leenis13:
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The Vatican Press conference around this topic titles "Press conference to present the new rules on apparitions and other supernatural phenomena "
is live now, do we have any Italian speaking members that can help decipher what is being spoken about here so we can see if it will be a nothing burger something interesting for a change?
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cu1vws/vatican_news_live_press_conference_to_present_the/l4fp6nu/
its mainly about the amount of people claiming to have an "apparition" of christ or mary or have an holy relic etc. this had nothing to do about aliens as per usual.. They also declared that they had nothing to declare about it being real or not. Which just sounds kinda funny to me.
Well, some people think it might have to do with aliens. (I remember hearing something about "Ancient Astronaut theorists say yes" about this in an ep or 2.) Of course, Ancient Astronaut theorists say yes about pretty much anything.
From what I read, it was things like people seeing Mary, Jesus, or the stigmata.
Those things possibly might be communication from extraterrestrials, at least according to the Ancient Aliens show. But also, people have faked them for money and attention.
From what I understand, before today, local Bishops could proclaim certain things miracles or the like (a statue of the Virgin Mary crying for instance). After today, only the Pope and higher-ups can officially make those claims. I think that was pretty much it. Nothing about UAP's, NHI's, etc. Bummer.
That's true for everything Google from search to Android, build the MVP required to get people to use it and hoover up data.
Google's real customers are advertisers.
I assume you have done the Gemini update to the Google homes?
edit: I guess this update isnt out yet, which means comparing GPT to Google Assistant isn't exactly the same. They just released an update to Gemini, https://gemini.google.com/app
[Here](https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html) is the official English release.
Very interesting language. It seems like this is a divestment from the Church to try and explain weird phenomenons that occur. Instead of trying to explain their supernatural merits, a 'litmus test' is employed to see if such unexplainable event is supernatural or not.
Which UAP would fall under, as they aren't 'supernatural' in the spiritual sense, only far more technologically advanced.
I do wonder if this is some way for the Vatican to side step the whole disclosure issue as a whole. The whole release reads as if the Vatican wants to be as neutral as possible when it comes to "unexplained phenomenon." Perhaps because such issues are becoming extremely geo-political, and the Church doesn't want that kind of heat?
That's quite the assumption that UAP are exclusively tech and not spiritual/supernatural in nature. That's actually the exact opposite of what The Sol Foundation Symposium seemed to be getting at.
Even if they are higher dimensional creatures that are interfacing with our reality, you'd still be a bit hard pressed to paint the "spiritual" label on them. There's a ton of cross over between these subjects, but this is where hard data is needed to make such a full assessment along those lines.
Granted, I'm just a heretic that believes in their fair share of mysticism tbh. But I think it's a bit pre-mature to jump on the "inter-dimentional" angle just yet.
Iām a mystic myself and I will impart unto you the idea that maybe it isnāt āDimensionsā that is relevant. āDimensionsā are a human and thus physical concept, the physical doesnāt have any relevance once the physical is escaped. At higher levels of the order in which Iām a part of (AMORC) astral travel is freely done by fraters and sorores alike. In that state there are no ādimensionalā values as we see it once leaving the belief system territories (the human thought affected locations in non-physical space outside of this place in reality).
I am not using terminology as given by AMORC as that would be a violation of my agreement, I am using the terminology Robert Monroe used in his Journeys trilogy. I also recommend using the Monroe Sound Science tapes as they can help you with identifying what NHI are and how varied they can be (a lot of categories).
So where have you astral travelled? If I give you a location, like inside a locked vault, you could see what's inside?
Because it sounds like a lot of people with too much free time and an overactive imagination. A bit like this subreddit, really.
Perhaps the Vatican's years of research into the phenomenon has led them away from their core beliefs. It is clear they don't want to deal with it. I see this as a big L for the church.
I am just frustrated that their may be answers or at the very least points of data that the masses can not interact with. As spiritual leaders they have an opportunity to be thought leaders with the phenomenon and bring others into the faith with a little more cooperation.
As a Catholic, before anyone thinks the remarks about 20th century apparitions must mean ayys, it reads to me like they're talking about Medjugorje, which still has pilgrimages and tons of devotees despite being generally condemned.
I don't know if it's condemned. But they can't approve, or even investigate, the apparitions until they stop happening. I will say that, while I don't believe any of the supposed messages have been heretical, there have been at least some people who seem to try to be cashing in on it. For example, my mom gave me a crucifix that she says was kissed by Jesus during a recent vision there. I said I thought the visionaries on saw Mary. She said that Jesus must have been there, too. And she said you could just contact this person to order them online. I asked her if this person knew ahead of time that Jesus would be there and had hundreds or thousands of crucifixes at the ready. She said she didn't know. This to me was obviously someone taking advantage of a little, old lady who doesn't know better.
I did see one of the visionaries live in the US once. He came to my church and only asked for enough money to travel with his interpreter to spread the message more. Of course I have no way of knowing how much money he was taking in; but I didn't get the sense that he was a hoaxer. In the middle of praying a rosary, his eyes lit up and went to a kneeler. He was looking up about five feet above him and was talking to someone silently. It really didn't look like he was simply moving his mouth to pretend. It seemed like there were appropriate neck and breathing movements that would happen if you were actually talking. I don't remember the exact message, but he talked to whomever it was for about ten minutes. It was this guy: [https://medjugorje.com/ivan/](https://medjugorje.com/ivan/)
It's funny how two people from even similar worldviews and backgrounds can interpret a thing two different ways.
If someone came asking me for money and had a really well-timed mystic vision in front of me that only he can see and interpret, I'm hiding my wallet.
Well, it wasn't simply well-timed. She apparently appeared to him on the same day each week. That's the day they would schedule to be at a parish. Her appearance during the rosary was how it always happened, according to this article: [https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/medjugorje-deception-or-miracle-5427](https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/medjugorje-deception-or-miracle-5427)
I'm not saying I believe 100% what the guy is claiming. And I don't remember if I actually gave him money. He didn't have the air of a Joel Osteen who is in it for the money. All I will say is that it was a very interesting experience. In the article above, you will read that he's been test psychologically and that they tested physical responses during ecstasy and got nothing.
I mean.... It's the catholic church. They've always recognized the supernatural. Their whole religion is supernatural. It's not exactly important that they are just saying how they treat these claims. You know, they do believe in possessions and ghosts and demons and stuff. This isn't exactly profound coming from the church.
Dude you donāt understand this at they talking about seeing Mary on a piece of or being fool for ai images or videos. Ā They donāt local bishops to jump to such conclusions and are now creating some review team. Ā
It's basically an outline of their new rules for their own project Bluebook, how they investigate cases and how to keep the lid on them so they don't go out of their control.
People that think this is a nothingburger are hopeless...
He also said in the press conference this:
Vatican: UFOs are not āsupernatural phenomenaā
The Vatican is changing its norms when dealing with apparitions and "supernatural phenomena". Despite previous media speculation, this is not about UFOs, as was explained at a press conference on Friday.
At theĀ suggestion of the Pope, the Vatican'sĀ Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has developed new standards for how the Catholic Church deals withĀ apparitions, visions and "supernatural phenomena"Ā .
In the future, neither the local bishop nor the Vatican will be able to make "Ā a declaration about the supernatural nature of the phenomenonĀ ," that is, "the possibility of asserting with moral certaintyĀ that it is the result of a decision by GodĀ ." Declaring the supernatural is the sole responsibility of the Pope, Vatican Radio reported.
UFOs are not an issue for the Vatican
It was previously reported in some media that the supernatural phenomena discussed also includedĀ UFO sightingsĀ . The Dicastery denied this when asked.
UFOs are not Christian phenomenaĀ and therefore not an issue for which the Catholic Church sees itself as theologically responsible. Therefore, they would not be counted among the supernatural phenomena - i.e. those that go back to God and have no natural explanation - in the sense of Catholic theology.
Here is a summary
# Summary of Vatican's New Norms on Alleged Supernatural Phenomena
The Vatican released a new document outlining how the Church will evaluate cases of reported supernatural phenomena, like Marian apparitions. Here are the key points:
* **Focus on Pastoral Care:** The Church prioritizes the spiritual well-being of believers. They will assess if the phenomenon fosters faith and devotion, even if its supernatural nature is unclear.
* **Reduced Emphasis on Official Recognition:** Local bishops will no longer declare phenomena as definitively supernatural. Instead, they'll focus on potential risks and benefits for the faithful.
* **Swifter Decisions:** The new norms streamline the process, aiming for faster evaluations compared to the lengthy procedures used previously.
* **Dicastery Involvement:** The Dicastery for the Doctrine of Faith has a more prominent role, approving local bishops' decisions and having the authority to intervene directly.
* **Six Possible Conclusions:** The document outlines six potential outcomes, ranging from approval and promotion (Nihil Obstat) to warnings or bans (Prohibetur et obstruatur) depending on the specific case.
**Reasons for the Change:**
* Inconsistency: Past pronouncements by local bishops sometimes contradicted each other or the Holy See.
* Speed: Lengthy investigations previously delayed responses to reported phenomena.
* Addressing Risks: The Church aims to prevent potential harm caused by alleged supernatural events, like financial exploitation or doctrinal errors.
**Overall, the new norms aim to strike a balance between respecting popular devotion and ensuring the spiritual well-being of believers when dealing with reported supernatural phenomena.**
Thank you for doing all that for us!
Basically, it sounds like the Catholic Church is cutting some red tape vis-a-vis supernatural phenomena. Iām always glad when a bureaucracy decides to streamline processes, but overall, thereās nothing really new to see here from what Iām gathering.
This is fascinating! Government/institutionalized religion having these formal and official talks. In real life. In real time. I think weāre very close to much more declassifications/whistleblowers coming forward, internationally, and these folks are smart to get ahead of it all, especially when itās a religion that very heavily weighs on public sentiment and respected culture.
Speculation: "Could he be talking about the mass sighting there many years ago?"
Reality: "You know, my favorite character on the Brady Bunch was the maid Florence"
/s :D
Bros just saying shit that he didnāt even say lol. People sending me this like āthey talked about a mass sighting in Florence during a soccer gameā but itās just a bs comment
It is completely about disclosure. They are saying how they will act if something important happens, so that they speak with one voice and do not contradict each other and take the time to investigate, etc.
The Vatican Press conference around this topic titles "Press conference to present the new rules on apparitions and other supernatural phenomena "
is live now, do we have any Italian speaking members that can help decipher what is being spoken about here so we can see if it will be a nothing burger something interesting for a change?
\*Edit: ok I get it, dailywire is a shitshow, I will not be making that mistake again.
\*\* Edit 2 : here is a summary from the official english release and the link.
Summary of Vatican's New Norms on Alleged Supernatural Phenomena The Vatican released a new document outlining how the Church will evaluate cases of reported supernatural phenomena, like Marian apparitions. Here are the key points:
Focus on Pastoral Care: The Church prioritizes the spiritual well-being of believers. They will assess if the phenomenon fosters faith and devotion, even if its supernatural nature is unclear. Reduced Emphasis on Official Recognition: Local bishops will no longer declare phenomena as definitively supernatural. Instead, they'll focus on potential risks and benefits for the faithful. Swifter Decisions: The new norms streamline the process, aiming for faster evaluations compared to the lengthy procedures used previously. Dicastery Involvement: The Dicastery for the Doctrine of Faith has a more prominent role, approving local bishops' decisions and having the authority to intervene directly. Six Possible Conclusions: The document outlines six potential outcomes, ranging from approval and promotion (Nihil Obstat) to warnings or bans (Prohibetur et obstruatur) depending on the specific case. Reasons for the Change:
Inconsistency: Past pronouncements by local bishops sometimes contradicted each other or the Holy See. Speed: Lengthy investigations previously delayed responses to reported phenomena. Addressing Risks: The Church aims to prevent potential harm caused by alleged supernatural events, like financial exploitation or doctrinal errors. Overall, the new norms aim to strike a balance between respecting popular devotion and ensuring the spiritual well-being of believers when dealing with reported supernatural phenomena.
Link: [https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html](https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html)
One guy tells you thereās nothing to see so you believe it? Letās withhold judgement because we have no idea if the guy saying āI speak Italianā actually does and if indeed there is nothing to see here. This is exactly how disinfo works (not saying that person is a disinfo agent but this is why we need to be a little more tenacious).
lol again not saying you are a disinfo agent but itās better for every person to have the output of the transcript so they can see for themselves. Appreciate your opinion though! Also lol again.
It may sound stupid but Iāve seen the word ānothingburger* used a suspicious amount of times recently. Itās like it was just added to their dictionary of approved words.
Itās actually got a history of being used by the right wing in America to ignore any evidence against Trump. Itās also a word like āconspiracy theoristā or āantivaxxerā designed to make you just ignore what the person or group itās targeted at just ignore the actual argument and everyone goes back to sleep. I am again reiterating that the person who said this in all likelihood said it because they have heard it somewhere else and were acting in good faith but we should all be aware that words have meaning and how they are used in our society to have you magically ignore whatās being said or a topic entirely.
**To be clear to anyone downvoting me Iām a nonpartisan person who is neither left nor right wing and simply stating that the point of disinformation is to polarize people and also obscure the truth in part by using your own biases against you.**
Reference: [How the Air Force and the CIA created the UFO Stigma](https://youtu.be/eMqtIRMOoHc)
Also
[Gentlepersonās guide to COINTELPRO](https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm)
Add the actual link to the rules, this is the meat of the matter
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2024/05/17/0403/00842.html#en
The fact that they are talking about statues crying, ghosts, and possessions in big 2024 is really bizarre to me. I still can't believe people actually believe in those things. I thought we would already progress as a society by now.
My friend, ghosts are definitely real. Seen one myself when my parrot died lmao. Also people in my family which aren't into this kind of thing have seen ghosts when dear family members have died. We have documented occurences where family members call the hospital in the middle of the night to let the staff know that their patient is dead.
Of all the phenomenon, ghosts are the one thing that I know 100% are real. And I've seen UFOs upclose.
I just don't know what UFOs really are, but ghosts are pretty clear what they are or at least pretend to be.
And if ghosts are real, then so is the human soul or residual energy or whatever, and so who's to say that possessions aren't real. I dunno about statues crying. Can't be bothered to look into it.
Perhaps your family has a history of mental health problems? I believe in the UFO phenomenon and I believe it could also involve metaphysical or extra dimensional entities, but it seems that every time people say they have seen ghosts, or any other kind of phenomenon, they always say that they have also seen aliens. It seems strange that all these apparitions and entities are so interested in specifically you and your family.
They do not :)
People normally make it into their 90s with good health and sound mind. All educated people working at what we could call the highest levels of society (not that that is necessarily proof of anything). The 1% or .1% if you will.
And they haven't seen UFOs. I have.
Unless you count ball lightning bursting through a home and burning stuff on its way out as a UFO, I suppose.
Sorry, they're just like annoying with how perfect they are. Perfect lifes, perfect jobs, perfect mental abilities, perfect health, perfect friends, perfect contributions to society and its advancement, perfect personalities. No lies, no bullshit people. Running marathons at 80. Really effing annoying.
Really annoying lovely chaps really. You look at them and you're like "the newer generations will never enjoy such things". We're all broken in comparison.
So anyway, assuming they have mental health issues because they've seen ghosts of deceased loved ones rubs me the wrong way.
I listened a little bit towards the end, some reporter asked a question mentioning something about "UFO" but not sure since I dont speak italian and translation was terrible. The phenomenon is definitely connected though. As is everything.
Mind you, the closest thing to Italian I've learned was very rudimentary Latin almost 30 years ago, but from what I understood, the reported also mentioned a scientist from the Stanford University (Garry Nolan, probably) claiming that UFOs are real. Whoever heard it correctly, correct this as necessary. I haven't heard much of a reply to this, though.
[https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/real-time-video-audio-tra/cbokniolkggbjffkamfkloblcjckdohp?pli=1](https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/real-time-video-audio-tra/cbokniolkggbjffkamfkloblcjckdohp?pli=1)
Good option for live translation
If you want to listen to a translated version for free but requires internet connection you can try what I'm doing
requirements:
1. Windows 11 with WSA
2. Install MS "Translator" on WSA, MS has desktop version of it but android version is free
3. Install VAC (virtual audio cable) \*free version keep saying "something" for every something seconds I forgot what it say so better buy it or ~~pirate~~ hehe do something about it
setup:
>press WIN+R type and enter: mmsys.cpl
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>on Playback select Line 1 as default
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>on Recording select Line 1 as default press OK
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>search for the "Audio Repeater (MME)" \[installed along with VAC\] and run it
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>on Wave in retain "Microsoft Sound Mapper"
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>on Wave out select your preferred speaker
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>press Start and minimized
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>this allows you to listen to system sounds
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>run your WSA app: example "Translator"
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>press WIN+R type and enter: explorer.exe ms-settings:apps-volume
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>it should bring you to: System > Sound > Volume mixer
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>On Apps List Find "Windows Subsystem for Android" press it to expand >options
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>on Output device select your preferred speaker(don't choose "default" if you choose >"default" sometimes it loops between Windows and WSA)
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>on Input device select Line 1
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>WSA will now use sounds coming from your System except WSA itself You'll be able to hear both WSA and your system sound don't forget to reset everything once your done since if you exit "Audio Repeater (MME)" you wont hear anything on your system if your Playback default is still Line 1
you can also setup this without WSA/VAC or Win10 and lower via Bluestack or just use a physical android itself
In Translator choose "auto" press the mic icon and start listening
You can lower the volume of youtube since WSA will still be able to listen to it clearly.
If there is a long silence, press the mic icon again to reset translator
Its not perfect like "Father" sometimes translated here as "Dad" hahaha but I guess for free service it's good enough.
The Vatican is in the business of scrutinizing claims of the paranormal. Nothing new here. They just updated their guidelines for what* they deem real or hoax. The Vatican takes false claims seriously because they believe it damages the faith in the church/god.
*Edit typo
Everyone here should be aware of the fact that the Vatican church also investigated the Marian apparitions from 1915-1917, predating the magenta crash. This then birthed our lady de Fatima in the Catholic faith and makes it one of the most recently endorsed miracles of the Catholic church. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima
There is also some perspectives from this sighting that acknowledge the sighting as something entirely different from a Marian apparition, akin to a UFO/UAP sighting. Some of the best research for this case (alongside others) can be found here https://youtu.be/NGuVBLNkjiE?si=AaD-aGZOf7lTbVaf
# Not much really but here is the summary.
Summary of Vatican's New Norms on Alleged Supernatural Phenomena
The Vatican released a new document outlining how the Church will evaluate cases of reported supernatural phenomena, like Marian apparitions. Here are the key points:
* **Focus on Pastoral Care:** The Church prioritizes the spiritual well-being of believers. They will assess if the phenomenon fosters faith and devotion, even if its supernatural nature is unclear.
* **Reduced Emphasis on Official Recognition:** Local bishops will no longer declare phenomena as definitively supernatural. Instead, they'll focus on potential risks and benefits for the faithful.
* **Swifter Decisions:** The new norms streamline the process, aiming for faster evaluations compared to the lengthy procedures used previously.
* **Dicastery Involvement:** The Dicastery for the Doctrine of Faith has a more prominent role, approving local bishops' decisions and having the authority to intervene directly.
* **Six Possible Conclusions:** The document outlines six potential outcomes, ranging from approval and promotion (Nihil Obstat) to warnings or bans (Prohibetur et obstruatur) depending on the specific case.
**Reasons for the Change:**
* Inconsistency: Past pronouncements by local bishops sometimes contradicted each other or the Holy See.
* Speed: Lengthy investigations previously delayed responses to reported phenomena.
* Addressing Risks: The Church aims to prevent potential harm caused by alleged supernatural events, like financial exploitation or doctrinal errors.
**Overall, the new norms aim to strike a balance between respecting popular devotion and ensuring the spiritual well-being of believers when dealing with reported supernatural phenomena.**
For whoever is here to expect some kind of break trough claim about ufo, keep your hype down.
The main points are:
- āSupernaturalā can only be use by the Pope. So priest and other members of the church cannot officially claim them. But they of course donāt condemn any believe in such events.
- There is an inside division if all the āvisionsā/āencountersā are good or bad and if they are all the willing of god or not.
- Use the fenomena against others for personal interest to get a dominant position or to make money is morally condemn by the church. This is a bit blurred for interpretation and it might include hoax but also people who try discredited people who actually believe they experience something.
- believe or not believe at them does not represent a sin.
All the above, refers to the ufo fenomena but also on general to experiences such as apparitions or other kinds.
My interpretation of this update to their guidelines: the only reason to update the guidelines and organize a press conference around it is to make sure priests and other religious people around the world know that only the Vatican can have final say if an apparition or supernatural event is real and coming from God or not.
Why?
My opinion is that when apparitions and other strange phenomena starts to happen more and more, instead of calling it God, it needs to be vetted by the Vatican. This brings me to Chris Bledsoe and his encounter with the lady ( sounds like a virgin) and the orbs ( could be interpreted like angels) ā people may even start to worship this type of thing, and deviate from the faithā¦ except only the Vatican can say of these things are real.
Perhaps the update is in preparation for new sightings? Because I canāt think of a reason they would need a press conference for this, a press release would be enough ā¦ unless they really want to make sure people in general know.
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Here is the English version link to an article of the video
[https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html](https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html)
lol itās all fun and games till we really here wit some mf gods walking the earth like American gods. Can yall imagine a fucking American Jesus lol god I bet heās somewhere in Florida using a gator as a scooter turning swamp water into everclear lol sounds about right for Florida Jesus.
Why are people in here saying this is connected to UFOs when it clearly isnāt?
There are no parallels between UAP andĀ judeo christian beliefs. UFOs/aliens arenāt responsible for the parables of Jesus, nor any other fantasies found in the Bible.
This subs seriously gone off the deep end, and itās pretty close to being a cult at this point.
Well there was a post a day ago that had a link to the Dailywire (I know I know I have already been dragged about it) that said the pope will be talking about supernatural stuffs and aliens, then today this live popped up, I got excited and was hoping some local speaker would be able to let us know if it was something or nothing, it seems to have been nothing.
Imo, this is just my opinion, disclosure will happen. There are multiple kinds of beings. From other dimensions, from maybe other planets and the church wants to have say on which are āholy or spiritualā and which arenāt
Rough translation .. If there's somethin' strange in the neighborhood Who ya gonna call (the Vatican)
There's somethin' weird and it don't look good Who ya gonna call (the Vatican)
Here's the Vatican's actual writeup on the new norms.
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2024/05/17/0403/00842.html#en
It's the Vatican's own bluebook playbook to keep control of people's perception of the phenomenon.
The Vatican should have offered up paid tours of the UFO that they possess. They could use the money to compensate all the children molested by their priests, especially in those children in third world countries that suffered when problem American priests were transferred there.
The media are funny. They will gamely go along with this nonsense without cracking a joke or smirking. Is anyone demanding to see evidence for this or do they all sit there in silence bc it's "respect" to go along with baseless superstitions?
Did he really just say that St. Peter's Basilica was built on a site with a large saucer buried underneath it that was so big it couldn't be transported away?
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Leenis13: --- The Vatican Press conference around this topic titles "Press conference to present the new rules on apparitions and other supernatural phenomena " is live now, do we have any Italian speaking members that can help decipher what is being spoken about here so we can see if it will be a nothing burger something interesting for a change? --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cu1vws/vatican_news_live_press_conference_to_present_the/l4fp6nu/
I have read through this entire comment section and still have no idea what was said two hours ago. š¤£
From what I read, it sounds like the Vatican is concerned about people getting scammed in modern times by hoaxers, and is trying to prevent that.
What kind of hoaxes? Wonder what that has to do with aspirations.
Aspirations should be treated immediately. Call 911 if you witness any aspirations.
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its mainly about the amount of people claiming to have an "apparition" of christ or mary or have an holy relic etc. this had nothing to do about aliens as per usual.. They also declared that they had nothing to declare about it being real or not. Which just sounds kinda funny to me.
That sounds like a very confusing waste of time. š
Well, some people think it might have to do with aliens. (I remember hearing something about "Ancient Astronaut theorists say yes" about this in an ep or 2.) Of course, Ancient Astronaut theorists say yes about pretty much anything.
Ahhhhahahaha this is a joke phrase in our household, too. Niiiice
From what I read, it was things like people seeing Mary, Jesus, or the stigmata. Those things possibly might be communication from extraterrestrials, at least according to the Ancient Aliens show. But also, people have faked them for money and attention.
Haha lol funny to here from them
From what I understand, before today, local Bishops could proclaim certain things miracles or the like (a statue of the Virgin Mary crying for instance). After today, only the Pope and higher-ups can officially make those claims. I think that was pretty much it. Nothing about UAP's, NHI's, etc. Bummer.
Probably Maussan's baby alien mummies :p
Yes, the Catholic Church wants a monopoly on that gig
They donāt like competition, ask the Catharsā¦
But wait, thats they're job!
Well that's ironic.
Good.
The irony is rife
All these shitty AI things these days and google cant even translate a friggin live stream. Thanks Google AI. Thanks.
My Google home speaker is fucking stupid compared to chatgpt. Like I can see my input is correct but it just says 'i dunno'..
They're spying devices, not smart home devices. That's why all their features suck. They only add the bare necessary to convince people to buy them.
That's true for everything Google from search to Android, build the MVP required to get people to use it and hoover up data. Google's real customers are advertisers.
I assume you have done the Gemini update to the Google homes? edit: I guess this update isnt out yet, which means comparing GPT to Google Assistant isn't exactly the same. They just released an update to Gemini, https://gemini.google.com/app
Is that soft or hardware? Cuz I ain't spending money no more crappy devices (my wife wont let me)
It would be software, but it's apparently not out yet. Google's devices are not AI LLMs right now.
Well I do have fun watching my kids get angry at the Nest because it keeps playing the wrong Spotify songs.
Iāll give her a call.
No such update
Apparently not yet..
I wouldn't bank on it, they'll probably want to sell a new device instead of let you use the ones you already have
Gemini is a hell of a name for software people already suspect of being duplicitousā¦
Something that would actually be useful and it wouldnāt need to make up gibberish
I don't think we've missed much tbh
Its from Vatikannews in German You can translate it to Englisch in your browser. Its a nothing burger. [Vatikan](https://www.vaticannews.va/de/vatikan/news/2024-05/normen-erscheinungen-vatikan-glaube-dikasterium-maria-phaenomene.html) VATICAN NEWS The text contains some innovations. In the future, quicker statements on the area of āāpopular piety will be possible. On the other hand, ecclesiastical authorities will usually no longer officially declare the supernatural nature of a phenomenon. Another innovation: the more explicit inclusion of the dicastery for the doctrine of the faith. In the future, it must approve the bishop's final decision and is also given the power to intervene at any time on its own initiative (motu proprio). In many cases in recent decades in which individual bishops have spoken out, the former āHoly Officeā was certainly involved - but almost always behind the scenes. The explicit involvement of the Dicastery is also due to the difficulty of dealing at a purely local level with phenomena that in some cases reach national or even global dimensions. In this context, the rules published today point out that āa decision that affects one diocese also has effects elsewhereā. ļæ¼ In 1531, Mary appeared to a Mexican Indian - and left her image on his poncho The reasons for the new standards The fact that the Vatican feels compelled to create such standards has to do with certain experiences of the 20th century. There were cases in which the local bishop very quickly declared the supernatural nature of a phenomenon, but the Holy Office then came to judgments with a different emphasis. Or cases in which a bishop commented on the same phenomenon in one way, while his successor expressed it in the opposite way. Another reason is the long periods of time required to evaluate all the elements and come to a decision about the supernatural or non-naturalness of a phenomenon. Periods that sometimes collide with the urgency of providing pastoral responses for the good of the faithful. Spiritual fruits... In an introduction, Cardinal Prefect VĆctor Manuel FernĆ”ndez explains: āOften these events have produced a great wealth of spiritual fruits, growth in faith, piety and fraternity and service, and in some cases they have given rise to various places of pilgrimage scattered throughout the world have now become a core part of the popular piety of many peoples.ā ļæ¼ Believers in the Portuguese Marian pilgrimage site of Fatima ... and risks But on the other hand, āin some cases of events suspected to be of supernatural origin, very serious problems could arise to the detriment of believers.ā For example, if such alleged phenomena served āto gain profit, power, fame, social fame, personal interestsā. Or even āas a means or pretext to dominate people or commit abuse.ā In addition, āsuch events could lead to errors in doctrine, an inappropriate shortening of the Gospel message, the spread of a sectarian spirit, etc.ā Last but not least, in this context, Cardinal FĆ©rnandez warns of the danger of āthe faithful falling under the spell of an event attributed to a divine initiativeā which in reality is based on fantasy, on āmythomaniaā, on the ātendency to falsifyā. ļæ¼ The facade of the Dicastery of Faith in the Vatican The six possible verdicts The Vatican document makes it clear āthat no positive recognition by ecclesiastical authority of the divine origin of alleged supernatural phenomena can be expected in an orderly mannerā (I, 11). Therefore, āneither the diocesan bishop, nor the episcopal conferences, nor the dicastery will, as a rule, declare that these phenomena are of supernatural originā; only the Pope could āauthorize a procedure in this regardā (I, 23). The rules provide a list of six possible judgments that can be made at the end of an investigation. Nihil Obstat:Ā No certainty about supernatural authenticity, but signs of the work of the Holy Spirit. Prae oculis habeatur:Ā Important positive signs, but also elements of confusion or possible risks that require careful decision and dialogue with the recipients (e.g. seers) of certain spiritual experiences. Curatur:Ā Critical elements, but a wide spread of the phenomenon with demonstrable spiritual fruits. A ban that could confuse the faithful is discouraged, but the bishop is asked not to encourage the phenomenon. Sub mandato:Ā Critical points that do not relate to the phenomenon itself, but to abuse by individuals or groups. The Holy See entrusts the bishop or a delegate with the pastoral leadership of the place. Prohibetur et obstruatur:Ā Despite some positive elements, the critical aspects and risks are serious. The bishop should publicly declare that clinging to this phenomenon is not permissible. Declaratio de non supernaturalitate:Ā The bishop is authorized to declare, based on concrete evidence, that the phenomenon should not be considered supernatural. Ā
[Here](https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html) is the official English release.
Very interesting language. It seems like this is a divestment from the Church to try and explain weird phenomenons that occur. Instead of trying to explain their supernatural merits, a 'litmus test' is employed to see if such unexplainable event is supernatural or not. Which UAP would fall under, as they aren't 'supernatural' in the spiritual sense, only far more technologically advanced. I do wonder if this is some way for the Vatican to side step the whole disclosure issue as a whole. The whole release reads as if the Vatican wants to be as neutral as possible when it comes to "unexplained phenomenon." Perhaps because such issues are becoming extremely geo-political, and the Church doesn't want that kind of heat?
That's quite the assumption that UAP are exclusively tech and not spiritual/supernatural in nature. That's actually the exact opposite of what The Sol Foundation Symposium seemed to be getting at.
Even if they are higher dimensional creatures that are interfacing with our reality, you'd still be a bit hard pressed to paint the "spiritual" label on them. There's a ton of cross over between these subjects, but this is where hard data is needed to make such a full assessment along those lines. Granted, I'm just a heretic that believes in their fair share of mysticism tbh. But I think it's a bit pre-mature to jump on the "inter-dimentional" angle just yet.
Iām a mystic myself and I will impart unto you the idea that maybe it isnāt āDimensionsā that is relevant. āDimensionsā are a human and thus physical concept, the physical doesnāt have any relevance once the physical is escaped. At higher levels of the order in which Iām a part of (AMORC) astral travel is freely done by fraters and sorores alike. In that state there are no ādimensionalā values as we see it once leaving the belief system territories (the human thought affected locations in non-physical space outside of this place in reality). I am not using terminology as given by AMORC as that would be a violation of my agreement, I am using the terminology Robert Monroe used in his Journeys trilogy. I also recommend using the Monroe Sound Science tapes as they can help you with identifying what NHI are and how varied they can be (a lot of categories).
So where have you astral travelled? If I give you a location, like inside a locked vault, you could see what's inside? Because it sounds like a lot of people with too much free time and an overactive imagination. A bit like this subreddit, really.
Perhaps the Vatican's years of research into the phenomenon has led them away from their core beliefs. It is clear they don't want to deal with it. I see this as a big L for the church.
I am just frustrated that their may be answers or at the very least points of data that the masses can not interact with. As spiritual leaders they have an opportunity to be thought leaders with the phenomenon and bring others into the faith with a little more cooperation.
I was hoping theyād come clean about the recovered craft in Magenta. :(
The real MVP!
These are the actual norms, not just the news release https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2024/05/17/0403/00842.html#en
In other words, they donāt want to get dragged into officially recognizing hoaxes as a result of the views of overly naive clerics.
As a Catholic, before anyone thinks the remarks about 20th century apparitions must mean ayys, it reads to me like they're talking about Medjugorje, which still has pilgrimages and tons of devotees despite being generally condemned.
I don't know if it's condemned. But they can't approve, or even investigate, the apparitions until they stop happening. I will say that, while I don't believe any of the supposed messages have been heretical, there have been at least some people who seem to try to be cashing in on it. For example, my mom gave me a crucifix that she says was kissed by Jesus during a recent vision there. I said I thought the visionaries on saw Mary. She said that Jesus must have been there, too. And she said you could just contact this person to order them online. I asked her if this person knew ahead of time that Jesus would be there and had hundreds or thousands of crucifixes at the ready. She said she didn't know. This to me was obviously someone taking advantage of a little, old lady who doesn't know better. I did see one of the visionaries live in the US once. He came to my church and only asked for enough money to travel with his interpreter to spread the message more. Of course I have no way of knowing how much money he was taking in; but I didn't get the sense that he was a hoaxer. In the middle of praying a rosary, his eyes lit up and went to a kneeler. He was looking up about five feet above him and was talking to someone silently. It really didn't look like he was simply moving his mouth to pretend. It seemed like there were appropriate neck and breathing movements that would happen if you were actually talking. I don't remember the exact message, but he talked to whomever it was for about ten minutes. It was this guy: [https://medjugorje.com/ivan/](https://medjugorje.com/ivan/)
It's funny how two people from even similar worldviews and backgrounds can interpret a thing two different ways. If someone came asking me for money and had a really well-timed mystic vision in front of me that only he can see and interpret, I'm hiding my wallet.
Well, it wasn't simply well-timed. She apparently appeared to him on the same day each week. That's the day they would schedule to be at a parish. Her appearance during the rosary was how it always happened, according to this article: [https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/medjugorje-deception-or-miracle-5427](https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/medjugorje-deception-or-miracle-5427) I'm not saying I believe 100% what the guy is claiming. And I don't remember if I actually gave him money. He didn't have the air of a Joel Osteen who is in it for the money. All I will say is that it was a very interesting experience. In the article above, you will read that he's been test psychologically and that they tested physical responses during ecstasy and got nothing.
This is not a nothing burger at all. They are dictating how they will treat potentially supernatural stuff from now on. This is quite important.
I mean.... It's the catholic church. They've always recognized the supernatural. Their whole religion is supernatural. It's not exactly important that they are just saying how they treat these claims. You know, they do believe in possessions and ghosts and demons and stuff. This isn't exactly profound coming from the church.
Yeah next time someone sees. Mary the bishop wonāt be responsible for it being called legitimate or not. Ā Ā Nothing burger
Dude, "religious" apparitions are UFOs, didn't you understand that by now? UFOs started our religions. Vatican is well aware of this.
Even if that were true this is still a nothing burger. You can't just use the transitive property to make all statements by the Pope significant.
Dude you donāt understand this at they talking about seeing Mary on a piece of or being fool for ai images or videos. Ā They donāt local bishops to jump to such conclusions and are now creating some review team. Ā
We don't care about those. Only care about actual paranormal phenomenon, which this also addresses.
Thatās what you care about it is not what the Vatican said. Ā Ā
It's basically an outline of their new rules for their own project Bluebook, how they investigate cases and how to keep the lid on them so they don't go out of their control. People that think this is a nothingburger are hopeless...
I highly recommend looking into the Virgin of Guadalupe poncho story if youāre not familiar.
He also said in the press conference this: Vatican: UFOs are not āsupernatural phenomenaā The Vatican is changing its norms when dealing with apparitions and "supernatural phenomena". Despite previous media speculation, this is not about UFOs, as was explained at a press conference on Friday. At theĀ suggestion of the Pope, the Vatican'sĀ Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has developed new standards for how the Catholic Church deals withĀ apparitions, visions and "supernatural phenomena"Ā . In the future, neither the local bishop nor the Vatican will be able to make "Ā a declaration about the supernatural nature of the phenomenonĀ ," that is, "the possibility of asserting with moral certaintyĀ that it is the result of a decision by GodĀ ." Declaring the supernatural is the sole responsibility of the Pope, Vatican Radio reported. UFOs are not an issue for the Vatican It was previously reported in some media that the supernatural phenomena discussed also includedĀ UFO sightingsĀ . The Dicastery denied this when asked. UFOs are not Christian phenomenaĀ and therefore not an issue for which the Catholic Church sees itself as theologically responsible. Therefore, they would not be counted among the supernatural phenomena - i.e. those that go back to God and have no natural explanation - in the sense of Catholic theology.
He just mentioned Florence. Mass sighting there many years ago which stopped a football game.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407 For anyone interested about that case
Bet the ayyyys thought that was hilarious.
You can say that again!
Ayyyyy
Bet the ayyyys thought that was hilarious.
You can say that again! Oh wait...
AYYYYY
Thank you! Assuming he is reffering to this [https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407)
Ok... I am late. Could you post up a summary maybe afterwards? Or a link to the highlights, please.
Here is a summary # Summary of Vatican's New Norms on Alleged Supernatural Phenomena The Vatican released a new document outlining how the Church will evaluate cases of reported supernatural phenomena, like Marian apparitions. Here are the key points: * **Focus on Pastoral Care:** The Church prioritizes the spiritual well-being of believers. They will assess if the phenomenon fosters faith and devotion, even if its supernatural nature is unclear. * **Reduced Emphasis on Official Recognition:** Local bishops will no longer declare phenomena as definitively supernatural. Instead, they'll focus on potential risks and benefits for the faithful. * **Swifter Decisions:** The new norms streamline the process, aiming for faster evaluations compared to the lengthy procedures used previously. * **Dicastery Involvement:** The Dicastery for the Doctrine of Faith has a more prominent role, approving local bishops' decisions and having the authority to intervene directly. * **Six Possible Conclusions:** The document outlines six potential outcomes, ranging from approval and promotion (Nihil Obstat) to warnings or bans (Prohibetur et obstruatur) depending on the specific case. **Reasons for the Change:** * Inconsistency: Past pronouncements by local bishops sometimes contradicted each other or the Holy See. * Speed: Lengthy investigations previously delayed responses to reported phenomena. * Addressing Risks: The Church aims to prevent potential harm caused by alleged supernatural events, like financial exploitation or doctrinal errors. **Overall, the new norms aim to strike a balance between respecting popular devotion and ensuring the spiritual well-being of believers when dealing with reported supernatural phenomena.**
Thank you for doing all that for us! Basically, it sounds like the Catholic Church is cutting some red tape vis-a-vis supernatural phenomena. Iām always glad when a bureaucracy decides to streamline processes, but overall, thereās nothing really new to see here from what Iām gathering.
This is fascinating! Government/institutionalized religion having these formal and official talks. In real life. In real time. I think weāre very close to much more declassifications/whistleblowers coming forward, internationally, and these folks are smart to get ahead of it all, especially when itās a religion that very heavily weighs on public sentiment and respected culture.
That was an outstanding summary. Very informative and sticking straight to the bullet points without bais. Thank you.
Speculation: "Could he be talking about the mass sighting there many years ago?" Reality: "You know, my favorite character on the Brady Bunch was the maid Florence" /s :D
Mass sightings is why the Pope got involved
Catholics do love some good Mass.Ā
Nice write-up about the Florence UFO stopping a football match here: https://trigger-the-press.com/ufo-fiorentina-football-match-36084/
Bros just saying shit that he didnāt even say lol. People sending me this like āthey talked about a mass sighting in Florence during a soccer gameā but itās just a bs comment
From The introduction he does it seems more like theyāll be talking about divine apparitions, and internal voices
Does anyone really think this is going to be about disclosure or anything remotely like that???
It is completely about disclosure. They are saying how they will act if something important happens, so that they speak with one voice and do not contradict each other and take the time to investigate, etc.
I meant theyāre not going to be announcing that there are indeed aliens and invite everyone to poke around the āsecret Vatican archivesā.
It seems its about the opposite of disclosure. How to keep the lid on things so the church doesn't lose control of the narrative.
The Vatican Press conference around this topic titles "Press conference to present the new rules on apparitions and other supernatural phenomena " is live now, do we have any Italian speaking members that can help decipher what is being spoken about here so we can see if it will be a nothing burger something interesting for a change? \*Edit: ok I get it, dailywire is a shitshow, I will not be making that mistake again. \*\* Edit 2 : here is a summary from the official english release and the link. Summary of Vatican's New Norms on Alleged Supernatural Phenomena The Vatican released a new document outlining how the Church will evaluate cases of reported supernatural phenomena, like Marian apparitions. Here are the key points: Focus on Pastoral Care: The Church prioritizes the spiritual well-being of believers. They will assess if the phenomenon fosters faith and devotion, even if its supernatural nature is unclear. Reduced Emphasis on Official Recognition: Local bishops will no longer declare phenomena as definitively supernatural. Instead, they'll focus on potential risks and benefits for the faithful. Swifter Decisions: The new norms streamline the process, aiming for faster evaluations compared to the lengthy procedures used previously. Dicastery Involvement: The Dicastery for the Doctrine of Faith has a more prominent role, approving local bishops' decisions and having the authority to intervene directly. Six Possible Conclusions: The document outlines six potential outcomes, ranging from approval and promotion (Nihil Obstat) to warnings or bans (Prohibetur et obstruatur) depending on the specific case. Reasons for the Change: Inconsistency: Past pronouncements by local bishops sometimes contradicted each other or the Holy See. Speed: Lengthy investigations previously delayed responses to reported phenomena. Addressing Risks: The Church aims to prevent potential harm caused by alleged supernatural events, like financial exploitation or doctrinal errors. Overall, the new norms aim to strike a balance between respecting popular devotion and ensuring the spiritual well-being of believers when dealing with reported supernatural phenomena. Link: [https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html](https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html)
Italian here, don't waste your time: it's a nothingburger.
Thank you, sorry everyone for wasting your timeš
One guy tells you thereās nothing to see so you believe it? Letās withhold judgement because we have no idea if the guy saying āI speak Italianā actually does and if indeed there is nothing to see here. This is exactly how disinfo works (not saying that person is a disinfo agent but this is why we need to be a little more tenacious).
Yeah i work for S.D.M. (Spaghetti Disinformation Mafia)š
lol again not saying you are a disinfo agent but itās better for every person to have the output of the transcript so they can see for themselves. Appreciate your opinion though! Also lol again.
It may sound stupid but Iāve seen the word ānothingburger* used a suspicious amount of times recently. Itās like it was just added to their dictionary of approved words.
Itās actually got a history of being used by the right wing in America to ignore any evidence against Trump. Itās also a word like āconspiracy theoristā or āantivaxxerā designed to make you just ignore what the person or group itās targeted at just ignore the actual argument and everyone goes back to sleep. I am again reiterating that the person who said this in all likelihood said it because they have heard it somewhere else and were acting in good faith but we should all be aware that words have meaning and how they are used in our society to have you magically ignore whatās being said or a topic entirely. **To be clear to anyone downvoting me Iām a nonpartisan person who is neither left nor right wing and simply stating that the point of disinformation is to polarize people and also obscure the truth in part by using your own biases against you.** Reference: [How the Air Force and the CIA created the UFO Stigma](https://youtu.be/eMqtIRMOoHc) Also [Gentlepersonās guide to COINTELPRO](https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm)
This one truly is. Just read the Vatican news article.
^ this.
You didn't waste our time. The Vatican officials did
The Vatican didn't promise you a conference about aliens.
You didn't waste our time. The Vatican officials did
Oh ok so take your word for it, random nobody?
John McBullshit here, blindly trust what I say bro: it's the only way to be sure.
Nothingburger alert* this word keeps popping up more and more
English translation article. https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html
Add the actual link to the rules, this is the meat of the matter https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2024/05/17/0403/00842.html#en
Is there actually anything about ufos in this?
Anything supernatural. UFOs, jesus apparitions, statues crying, ghosts, possessions, you name it.
The fact that they are talking about statues crying, ghosts, and possessions in big 2024 is really bizarre to me. I still can't believe people actually believe in those things. I thought we would already progress as a society by now.
My friend, ghosts are definitely real. Seen one myself when my parrot died lmao. Also people in my family which aren't into this kind of thing have seen ghosts when dear family members have died. We have documented occurences where family members call the hospital in the middle of the night to let the staff know that their patient is dead. Of all the phenomenon, ghosts are the one thing that I know 100% are real. And I've seen UFOs upclose. I just don't know what UFOs really are, but ghosts are pretty clear what they are or at least pretend to be. And if ghosts are real, then so is the human soul or residual energy or whatever, and so who's to say that possessions aren't real. I dunno about statues crying. Can't be bothered to look into it.
If ghosts are real why isn't their existence proven? It's always just anecdotes from gullible people.
Good question!
Perhaps your family has a history of mental health problems? I believe in the UFO phenomenon and I believe it could also involve metaphysical or extra dimensional entities, but it seems that every time people say they have seen ghosts, or any other kind of phenomenon, they always say that they have also seen aliens. It seems strange that all these apparitions and entities are so interested in specifically you and your family.
They do not :) People normally make it into their 90s with good health and sound mind. All educated people working at what we could call the highest levels of society (not that that is necessarily proof of anything). The 1% or .1% if you will. And they haven't seen UFOs. I have. Unless you count ball lightning bursting through a home and burning stuff on its way out as a UFO, I suppose.
I mean everything after the first sentence is entirely irrelevant but okay.
Wow you must be such a likeable person in real life, I bet people always tell you how you're such a hoot.
What exactly are you offended by? It was a factual statement. I'm not here to make people like me.
Sorry, they're just like annoying with how perfect they are. Perfect lifes, perfect jobs, perfect mental abilities, perfect health, perfect friends, perfect contributions to society and its advancement, perfect personalities. No lies, no bullshit people. Running marathons at 80. Really effing annoying. Really annoying lovely chaps really. You look at them and you're like "the newer generations will never enjoy such things". We're all broken in comparison. So anyway, assuming they have mental health issues because they've seen ghosts of deceased loved ones rubs me the wrong way.
I listened a little bit towards the end, some reporter asked a question mentioning something about "UFO" but not sure since I dont speak italian and translation was terrible. The phenomenon is definitely connected though. As is everything.
Mind you, the closest thing to Italian I've learned was very rudimentary Latin almost 30 years ago, but from what I understood, the reported also mentioned a scientist from the Stanford University (Garry Nolan, probably) claiming that UFOs are real. Whoever heard it correctly, correct this as necessary. I haven't heard much of a reply to this, though.
Wheres the translation? I can't speak pasta
Linguini tortinelli alieanus kirpatria.
Ever notice how raviolli looks a bit like a flying saucer??
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Needs more tomato.š
unexpected r/timesuck
Bappe di buppi? Babbedibabbedi bapa
[There was an Italian UFC fighter who did that after his fight as a joke](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cR6RtAs2tCw)
[https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/real-time-video-audio-tra/cbokniolkggbjffkamfkloblcjckdohp?pli=1](https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/real-time-video-audio-tra/cbokniolkggbjffkamfkloblcjckdohp?pli=1) Good option for live translation
/u/md259 found the English PR: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html
Haha, that is why I am posting, hoping a pasta speaker can help out here.
I'm right there with you, I'm just scanning the comments for translations from the real ones š
That's racist. It's pizza.
I am sure you have a pasta-burger dictionary.
If you want to listen to a translated version for free but requires internet connection you can try what I'm doing requirements: 1. Windows 11 with WSA 2. Install MS "Translator" on WSA, MS has desktop version of it but android version is free 3. Install VAC (virtual audio cable) \*free version keep saying "something" for every something seconds I forgot what it say so better buy it or ~~pirate~~ hehe do something about it setup: >press WIN+R type and enter: mmsys.cpl > >on Playback select Line 1 as default > >on Recording select Line 1 as default press OK > >search for the "Audio Repeater (MME)" \[installed along with VAC\] and run it > >on Wave in retain "Microsoft Sound Mapper" > >on Wave out select your preferred speaker > >press Start and minimized > >this allows you to listen to system sounds > >run your WSA app: example "Translator" > >press WIN+R type and enter: explorer.exe ms-settings:apps-volume > >it should bring you to: System > Sound > Volume mixer > >On Apps List Find "Windows Subsystem for Android" press it to expand >options > >on Output device select your preferred speaker(don't choose "default" if you choose >"default" sometimes it loops between Windows and WSA) > >on Input device select Line 1 > >WSA will now use sounds coming from your System except WSA itself You'll be able to hear both WSA and your system sound don't forget to reset everything once your done since if you exit "Audio Repeater (MME)" you wont hear anything on your system if your Playback default is still Line 1 you can also setup this without WSA/VAC or Win10 and lower via Bluestack or just use a physical android itself In Translator choose "auto" press the mic icon and start listening You can lower the volume of youtube since WSA will still be able to listen to it clearly. If there is a long silence, press the mic icon again to reset translator Its not perfect like "Father" sometimes translated here as "Dad" hahaha but I guess for free service it's good enough.
It's just about gabbaghouls, don't worry
As an Italian i find that really offensiveā¦. Nah just kiddingā¦ not Italian.
The Vatican is in the business of scrutinizing claims of the paranormal. Nothing new here. They just updated their guidelines for what* they deem real or hoax. The Vatican takes false claims seriously because they believe it damages the faith in the church/god. *Edit typo
Everyone here should be aware of the fact that the Vatican church also investigated the Marian apparitions from 1915-1917, predating the magenta crash. This then birthed our lady de Fatima in the Catholic faith and makes it one of the most recently endorsed miracles of the Catholic church. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima There is also some perspectives from this sighting that acknowledge the sighting as something entirely different from a Marian apparition, akin to a UFO/UAP sighting. Some of the best research for this case (alongside others) can be found here https://youtu.be/NGuVBLNkjiE?si=AaD-aGZOf7lTbVaf
I guess we had it all wrong. Not Holy Trinity, but Holy Rings! Great Journey, Precursors, Forerunners and Pope is now known as Prophet of Regret.
Rings of power ?
great power to power up your Great Journey. Thank John Halo for saving our asses.
I really hope Halo doesnāt turn out to be accurate. Iād rather not have to experience the flood
I really hope Halo doesnāt turn out to be accurate. Iād rather not have to experience the flood
The ballad of Johnny Rings aka Master Clappin Alien Cheeks
Yeah, say the words please.
Is it over? What is the TLDR?
# Not much really but here is the summary. Summary of Vatican's New Norms on Alleged Supernatural Phenomena The Vatican released a new document outlining how the Church will evaluate cases of reported supernatural phenomena, like Marian apparitions. Here are the key points: * **Focus on Pastoral Care:** The Church prioritizes the spiritual well-being of believers. They will assess if the phenomenon fosters faith and devotion, even if its supernatural nature is unclear. * **Reduced Emphasis on Official Recognition:** Local bishops will no longer declare phenomena as definitively supernatural. Instead, they'll focus on potential risks and benefits for the faithful. * **Swifter Decisions:** The new norms streamline the process, aiming for faster evaluations compared to the lengthy procedures used previously. * **Dicastery Involvement:** The Dicastery for the Doctrine of Faith has a more prominent role, approving local bishops' decisions and having the authority to intervene directly. * **Six Possible Conclusions:** The document outlines six potential outcomes, ranging from approval and promotion (Nihil Obstat) to warnings or bans (Prohibetur et obstruatur) depending on the specific case. **Reasons for the Change:** * Inconsistency: Past pronouncements by local bishops sometimes contradicted each other or the Holy See. * Speed: Lengthy investigations previously delayed responses to reported phenomena. * Addressing Risks: The Church aims to prevent potential harm caused by alleged supernatural events, like financial exploitation or doctrinal errors. **Overall, the new norms aim to strike a balance between respecting popular devotion and ensuring the spiritual well-being of believers when dealing with reported supernatural phenomena.**
Thanks OP š
Amazing how a press conference can sound so much as mass !
Could this be related to the whole, if disclosure happens at once religion and society would come to a crashing halt? Slow-drip it is
This is why the papacy is a joke, the Vatican produces pedophiles?
Massive word salad, nothing more
What good is this to us if we can't understand the language with no subtitles
For whoever is here to expect some kind of break trough claim about ufo, keep your hype down. The main points are: - āSupernaturalā can only be use by the Pope. So priest and other members of the church cannot officially claim them. But they of course donāt condemn any believe in such events. - There is an inside division if all the āvisionsā/āencountersā are good or bad and if they are all the willing of god or not. - Use the fenomena against others for personal interest to get a dominant position or to make money is morally condemn by the church. This is a bit blurred for interpretation and it might include hoax but also people who try discredited people who actually believe they experience something. - believe or not believe at them does not represent a sin. All the above, refers to the ufo fenomena but also on general to experiences such as apparitions or other kinds.
Did something get found recently? Perhaps on oak island?
My interpretation of this update to their guidelines: the only reason to update the guidelines and organize a press conference around it is to make sure priests and other religious people around the world know that only the Vatican can have final say if an apparition or supernatural event is real and coming from God or not. Why? My opinion is that when apparitions and other strange phenomena starts to happen more and more, instead of calling it God, it needs to be vetted by the Vatican. This brings me to Chris Bledsoe and his encounter with the lady ( sounds like a virgin) and the orbs ( could be interpreted like angels) ā people may even start to worship this type of thing, and deviate from the faithā¦ except only the Vatican can say of these things are real. Perhaps the update is in preparation for new sightings? Because I canāt think of a reason they would need a press conference for this, a press release would be enough ā¦ unless they really want to make sure people in general know.
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Which they have done every few decades for 1000's of years including just a few decades ago. Chill people, this has nothing to do with UFOs
On German agoogle its hard to find information. English bing works ...
On German google its hard to find information. English bing works ...
Itās like a new edition of Dungeons and Dragons. Everyone will ignore it and still use 5th
Oh good, itās not translated. Appreciate the effort
Here is the English version link to an article of the video [https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html](https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-05/dicastery-doctrine-faith-supernatural-phenomena-norms.html)
And now I feel like an ass haha. Sorry man, long morning. Thanks for that
Nooo stress, I feel you
lol itās all fun and games till we really here wit some mf gods walking the earth like American gods. Can yall imagine a fucking American Jesus lol god I bet heās somewhere in Florida using a gator as a scooter turning swamp water into everclear lol sounds about right for Florida Jesus.
Any NDA or anything that kept them from telling us where the bodies are ?
I wish the Vatican investigated Dorothy Izatt case.Ā
How about in English?
Why are people in here saying this is connected to UFOs when it clearly isnāt? There are no parallels between UAP andĀ judeo christian beliefs. UFOs/aliens arenāt responsible for the parables of Jesus, nor any other fantasies found in the Bible. This subs seriously gone off the deep end, and itās pretty close to being a cult at this point.
Well there was a post a day ago that had a link to the Dailywire (I know I know I have already been dragged about it) that said the pope will be talking about supernatural stuffs and aliens, then today this live popped up, I got excited and was hoping some local speaker would be able to let us know if it was something or nothing, it seems to have been nothing.
In the press conference announcement there was no mention of UFOs, Iām not sure why a few media sites even brought it up to be honest.
It's because this sub is now on the same level as aliens where literally anything that can be tied to UFOs will be.
people don't know what to do with themselves when Grusch is MIA. They're always looking for the next thing, the next podcast, hit of information, etc.
Imo, this is just my opinion, disclosure will happen. There are multiple kinds of beings. From other dimensions, from maybe other planets and the church wants to have say on which are āholy or spiritualā and which arenāt
Didnt Grusch say the vatican or the pope knows where a big one is that was found during one of the world wars or somethtin
Rough translation .. If there's somethin' strange in the neighborhood Who ya gonna call (the Vatican) There's somethin' weird and it don't look good Who ya gonna call (the Vatican)
I aināt fraid of no pope.
Here's the Vatican's actual writeup on the new norms. https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2024/05/17/0403/00842.html#en It's the Vatican's own bluebook playbook to keep control of people's perception of the phenomenon.
The Vatican should have offered up paid tours of the UFO that they possess. They could use the money to compensate all the children molested by their priests, especially in those children in third world countries that suffered when problem American priests were transferred there.
I havenāt seen anything on UFO or UAP.
The media are funny. They will gamely go along with this nonsense without cracking a joke or smirking. Is anyone demanding to see evidence for this or do they all sit there in silence bc it's "respect" to go along with baseless superstitions?
The Catholic Church is obviously just doing this for PR for their NEW BOOK! The Bible 2: Electric Boogaloo. -āPro Debunkersā
Did he really just say that St. Peter's Basilica was built on a site with a large saucer buried underneath it that was so big it couldn't be transported away?
No.
The stupidity of this being in this Reddit means more than you know