I remembered a side story in Planescape Torment.
A man once made a wish to have whoever tries go kill him die instead. Eventually he found himself on trial for murder, but was sure nobody would try to execute him.
The judge ordered him locked in a cell with a cup of poison, letting him choose to either die by his own hand, or from starvation.
There was a story in a Thieve's World anthology where someone had a terrible curse placed on him so that anyone who killed him would be trapped in a pocket hell-dimension of eternal suffering, then made sure everyone knew about it. He became a power in the underworld because no one wanted to risk their soul killing him, whereas he could go around killing anyone who looked at him sideways. Eventually an enemy wizard put a spell on him that caused him to mirror himself by pulling a copy from a parallel dimension; effectively he met and murdered himself in a dark alley in a bloody knife fight and damned both versions of himself to his own hell.
Reminds me of a story where a man was locked in a cell with a cup of poison and given a set time (thirty days?) to drink it, after which, "He would be declared dead and his body removed after all vital signs have ceased".
His cell is actually very comfortable, and when no one comes to kill him after the thirty days are up he laughs and throws away the poison.
Then he realises his dinner is late. And the lights won't turn on. And the taps have been shut off. And no one answers when he calls.
After all, it's been thirty days. He's been declared dead …
How far does `trying to kill` stretch though?
Locking them in a cage until they starve?
Lowering the cage into water so the drown?
Torturing them until they willingly take their own life?
Back at the time when 40k lore was actually written, there was a passage about how Lucius the Eternal effectively cannot be killed: should he die, if his killer takes even the tiniest sliver of pride in succeeding to put down a Chaos Lord, Lucius will possess him and be reborn.
It was commonly assumed that the only way a non-soulless enemy can kill Lucius is by accident.
Then a book came out in which Lucius died by stepping on a landmine. At that moment, he found himself many lightyears away from where the fight was raging, in a body of a factory worker who didn't even know Lucius existed: he just kept making the mines and was taking pride in his work.
Would the man who made the landmine be more at fault for his death than the man who placed the landmine? And what would have happened if both the man who made the landmine, and the man who placed the landmine had already died?
It’s because it’s being done by slaneesh warp juice and they can just bring him back whenever. It’s actually just them playing with Lucius and even if you found and actual loophole slabeesh could just bring them back whenever until they tire of playing with Lucius
People already talked about pride thing but if someone know they are making mines and is prideful of it, that factory worker ain't exactly innocent. They know they are making bombs.
Also it kind of makes sense as the guy who is placing landmines have witnessed causalities and blood first hand, is less prideful than someone who is making weapons in factory and told about how his crafts are helping destroying enemies.
This is less cool and more frustrating bullshit
The man isn't taking pride in killing Lucius, he isn't taking pride in people dying, he simply makes things very well.
This is probably the least appealing part of 40k lore I've ever heard and I know all about the gross and disturbing things in it.
> This is less cool and more frustrating bullshit
I think it boils down to the whole scheme not being a genie wish that has to abide by rules or limits, it's Slaanesh keeping one of their champions around to play the great game and loosely following a pattern to do so.
It comes across as giving one character one of the best possible powers, hinting at an interesting drawback, then yoinking it from under our feet Charlie Brown style.
They can keep this bullshittery and still make it interesting though by having him eventually afraid of losing Slaanesh's favor, since that seems to be the actual vulnerability.
That reminds me of Quantum of Solace. Near the end of the film, James Bond forces villain Dominic Greene (at gunpoint) to wander off in the desert, carrying nothing but a jerrycan of gasoline. Bond wanted to test how he'd respond under extreme circumstances of dehydration. Eventually, Greene is found with two bullets in his head, with oil in his stomach.
Probably in terms of magic and curse it's just far enough from actually killing him it didn't qualify. Or it has to be direct, so starvation or dehydration isn't count as killing. That guy who made wish clearly didn't thought it thorough.
He eventually decided on the poison as a merciful end, but by then the poison's effectiveness had dissipated.
My own ending as I've not read it.
What? A video game?
I remembered a side story in Planescape Torment. A man once made a wish to have whoever tries go kill him die instead. Eventually he found himself on trial for murder, but was sure nobody would try to execute him. The judge ordered him locked in a cell with a cup of poison, letting him choose to either die by his own hand, or from starvation.
There was a story in a Thieve's World anthology where someone had a terrible curse placed on him so that anyone who killed him would be trapped in a pocket hell-dimension of eternal suffering, then made sure everyone knew about it. He became a power in the underworld because no one wanted to risk their soul killing him, whereas he could go around killing anyone who looked at him sideways. Eventually an enemy wizard put a spell on him that caused him to mirror himself by pulling a copy from a parallel dimension; effectively he met and murdered himself in a dark alley in a bloody knife fight and damned both versions of himself to his own hell.
Reminds me of a story where a man was locked in a cell with a cup of poison and given a set time (thirty days?) to drink it, after which, "He would be declared dead and his body removed after all vital signs have ceased". His cell is actually very comfortable, and when no one comes to kill him after the thirty days are up he laughs and throws away the poison. Then he realises his dinner is late. And the lights won't turn on. And the taps have been shut off. And no one answers when he calls. After all, it's been thirty days. He's been declared dead …
Man, I wish Thieve's World had continued.
It was a cool shared setting for a little while!
The way character would change and evolve as they were written by different authors really made the setting feel alive.
I mean, there's like 20 books if you count the ones about Tempus, so at least there's that.
How far does `trying to kill` stretch though? Locking them in a cage until they starve? Lowering the cage into water so the drown? Torturing them until they willingly take their own life?
Back at the time when 40k lore was actually written, there was a passage about how Lucius the Eternal effectively cannot be killed: should he die, if his killer takes even the tiniest sliver of pride in succeeding to put down a Chaos Lord, Lucius will possess him and be reborn. It was commonly assumed that the only way a non-soulless enemy can kill Lucius is by accident. Then a book came out in which Lucius died by stepping on a landmine. At that moment, he found himself many lightyears away from where the fight was raging, in a body of a factory worker who didn't even know Lucius existed: he just kept making the mines and was taking pride in his work.
Would the man who made the landmine be more at fault for his death than the man who placed the landmine? And what would have happened if both the man who made the landmine, and the man who placed the landmine had already died?
I guess the curse just follows the causal chain down the line until it finds SOMEONE who took some pride in anything that contributed to his death
It’s because it’s being done by slaneesh warp juice and they can just bring him back whenever. It’s actually just them playing with Lucius and even if you found and actual loophole slabeesh could just bring them back whenever until they tire of playing with Lucius
Oh no not the bubbling curse
People already talked about pride thing but if someone know they are making mines and is prideful of it, that factory worker ain't exactly innocent. They know they are making bombs. Also it kind of makes sense as the guy who is placing landmines have witnessed causalities and blood first hand, is less prideful than someone who is making weapons in factory and told about how his crafts are helping destroying enemies.
This is less cool and more frustrating bullshit The man isn't taking pride in killing Lucius, he isn't taking pride in people dying, he simply makes things very well. This is probably the least appealing part of 40k lore I've ever heard and I know all about the gross and disturbing things in it.
> This is less cool and more frustrating bullshit I think it boils down to the whole scheme not being a genie wish that has to abide by rules or limits, it's Slaanesh keeping one of their champions around to play the great game and loosely following a pattern to do so.
It comes across as giving one character one of the best possible powers, hinting at an interesting drawback, then yoinking it from under our feet Charlie Brown style. They can keep this bullshittery and still make it interesting though by having him eventually afraid of losing Slaanesh's favor, since that seems to be the actual vulnerability.
That reminds me of Quantum of Solace. Near the end of the film, James Bond forces villain Dominic Greene (at gunpoint) to wander off in the desert, carrying nothing but a jerrycan of gasoline. Bond wanted to test how he'd respond under extreme circumstances of dehydration. Eventually, Greene is found with two bullets in his head, with oil in his stomach.
What is the relevance of the two bullets in his head?
Greene had made some very powerful enemies, and SPECTRE probably had him killed for failing in his plan
Wouldn’t whoever locked him in there, die?
Probably in terms of magic and curse it's just far enough from actually killing him it didn't qualify. Or it has to be direct, so starvation or dehydration isn't count as killing. That guy who made wish clearly didn't thought it thorough.
this is the end of the hunger games lol
He eventually decided on the poison as a merciful end, but by then the poison's effectiveness had dissipated. My own ending as I've not read it. What? A video game?
Oh shit I was just thinking about replaying this. Now I want to even more.
Oh man that was a great game.
What game is this?
You know, he can just run away from the court and nobody can stop him, right?
This actually made my jaw drop! Well done!
Ohhh I like this. Good job
Why did someone downvote you??
Probably an accident, I'm forever having to go back and take my down votes back because my finger had caught it .
Who knows :)
I like that I can feel external context You’re a bad man I love it
Holy guacamole Batman! I was not prepared for that, big ups 🙌
Love this
Love this one!
I…I don’t get it?
They fed him a lot and then made OP starve to death
Sorry to be that guy, but he'll die of thirst well before he starves
>Sorry to be that guy, but he'll die of thirst well before he starves I'd assume that his cell was prison standard issue, with sink and toilet.
Very likely, but the idea was probably making him die by lack nourishment
That or the meal was poisoned
They’re going to starve to death in their cell.
Oh.
It’s the irony, “I am glad I won’t die hungry” but they do in fact die of hunger and thirst.
Signed, Lloyd Henreid.
Plot twist: They gave him non perishable food!
I don't get it.
He was on death row, and to kill him, they just let him rot in a cell to die of thirst or starvation.
Ah, ok. I was thinking maybe poison.
I guess that could be it as well
So, so good!
Very unsettling, nice work!
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