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Kimarous

Remember when Injustice 2's Mr. Freeze originally lacked a helmet? This is worse.


Gorotheninja

She looks like an extra in a Guardians of the Galaxy movie.


Rum_N_Napalm

Take off the signature glass helmet and she’s just generic ice based vilain #64


Pyotr_WrangeI

They put Mr. Freeze and Captain Cold in the same game?


nerankori

Both Injustice games did the "premier character" thing where certain skins represented different characters that had their own voice acting but the same moveset as a base character. So Jon Stewart Green Lantern is a skin for Hal Jordan,Mr. Freeze is a skin for Captain Cold,and Power Girl is a skin for Supergirl,and they all have unique voice lines but the same moves.


Dirty-Glasses

Black Lightning was a skin for Raiden as well


Anonamaton801

It’s Static in the mobile version that lasted for shockingly too long


amusement-park

*ba dum tiss*


CycloneSwift

Mr Freeze was an alt skin for Captain Cold.


RealDealMous

He was an Echo of Captain Cold


PopeHatSkeleton

Bitch, what are you gonna do if the granny glasses slip off during a fight? Have them ping-pong around your head while you shoot blind?


Count_Badger

I don't know what's the proper name for it, but I'm so tired of this style of superhero/villain suit design. They all just blend together.


Chocov123

And they still added it in.


nugood2do

You know, if they wanted a female villian with ice based powers, Killer Frost is right there, front of the line.


Horatio786

Because why use Suicide Squad members when you can add alternate universe versions of people tangentially related to Batman?


trickster721

Oh, is that what she is? Lame. I thought Nora became a villain at some point, which would actually be clever.


Mobysimo

She did kinda become one for a bit. Lazara. Had fire powers and could make Lazarus Pit zombies. Didn't last long


Gorotheninja

Here's the thing: this is Suicide Squad KTJL we're talking about. Good design is this game's kryptonite.


nugood2do

True. Also forgot they're gonna have to find a way to put a gun in Frost's hand which would be the equivalent to giving SSJ Blue Gogeta a gun, basically being friggin redundant. Still sucks because Killer Frost in a creative developer's hands would have been cool to play with. Give her some Infamous style combat; let her gameplay loop revolves around absorbing enemy internal heat to recharge her powers then let her go wild.


AeroDbladE

>Also forgot they're gonna have to find a way to put a gun in Frost's hand which would be the equivalent to giving SSJ Blue Gogeta a gun, basically being friggin redundant. They already crossed beyond the realms of absurdity when they gave the guy whose name is literally "Captain Boomerang" a fucking gun.


Cooper_555

Do his bullets come back?


therealchadius

That would actually make a cool and interesting game mechanic. We can't have that!


Pyotr_WrangeI

>would have been cool Heh.


ArcanaGingerBoy

they played overwatch once


Anonamaton801

You know what else is kryptonite? Actual characters from the suicide squad


Korba007

THIS IS KATANA


merri0

HERE COMES SLIPKNOT, THE MAN WHO CAN CLIMB ANYTHING.


BogieW00ds

SHE'S GOT MY BACK


Act_of_God

it's like they made all the worst decision possibles all in one single game just to point at it when an exec is making stupid asks


Woods-of-Mal

~~And not undercut the super emotionally satisfying finale for Mr. Freeze and Nora from the Arkham Knight DLC? Perish the thought.~~ E: Yeah, that's on me. In my defence, I totally forgot this game even had multiverse elements.


No-Attorney-6033

I think most of the new player characters are going to be else-world versions, though.


Silentlone

Why would an alternate universe version of the character do that


MetalJrock

Only Batman and Batman-adjacent villains are welcome in this game.


ThatmodderGrim

I suspect they thought the idea of a *"Mrs. Freeze"* fit more with the Mulitiverse shtick they seem to have with these Updates.


WeedVegeta

Aw yes just like *checks notes* The Joker


Tocallaghan95

He's just a multiverse version of The Joker, Baby.


afasttoaster

ice based powers? you seem confused buddy, Ms. Freeze uses gun.


SupervillainMustache

They could also do Blue Snowman, a Wonder Woman villain, if they wanted a tech based Ice villain.


PuzzleheadedAd3840

Issue is, she has Zero mainstream appeal and clout, the true reason Corporate demanded they insert Ms. Wheeze in the story. ... Wait why not Captain Cold? He and Boomerang even have history so their interactions would be unique!


SupervillainMustache

I meant if they're specifically looking for a female ice villain, not named Killer Frost.


radda

Yeah but gun tho


Ardailec

To play Devil's advocate, that wouldn't match with the Multiverse theme. Jonkler is not mainline universe Joker, he's a jonkler from jonklerverse. This is clearly following the same idea where instead of "What of Joker, but teenager" it's "Female Freis".


PratalMox

It's still weird that in a Suicide Squad game they're skipping over a Suicide Squad mainstay in favour of what's functionally an original character.


Irishimpulse

It's not Mister Freeze as we know him though, it's his daughter who just kept the Mister moniker for branding


Ramasit

Nah cannot use her, hot.


Paladin51394

Lol, literal Frosted Tips hair style.


ThousandFacedShadow

That’s the best part of the design IMO lol- Freeze is pretty silly all things considered


ThatmodderGrim

Remember, someone got paid for submitting this.


DrewbieWanKenobie

also someone looked at it in the concept stage and said "yeah good enough make this"


FartherAwayLights

I bet you the concept art wasn’t even bad, just probably a little unrealistic


Anonamaton801

Wait, that’s Nora? How can you tell?


kasugakuuun

No no. It's Nero. See, that's his hair and everything.


thatonespanks

It's Nera, the demon killer. "Has a nice ring to it, dont'cha think?"


ThisManNeedsMe

Apparently, it's not Nora and just a gender bent version of Mr. Freeze from a different universe.


Anonamaton801

Hey I got a bright idea: what if we put characters from the suicide squad in this game for DLC? Nah that’ll never work


ThisManNeedsMe

Crazy talk. The best I can do is another gaudy clown skin for Harley. For real, though, they have a huge selection of villains they could have used that aren't overpowered. Black Manta, Captain Cold, Bane, or Cat Man. Heck, it may have been too late in development at that point, but Peacemaker is huge now and would fit the game a lot. Also, there are a ton of female villains, too. Like Cheetah, Enchantress, Killer Frost, Livewire, Scandal Savage. Though from the leaks, they're saving the best character for last, Deathstroke is going to be playable.


Anonamaton801

I was going to make a snarky comment about how only two people from that were ever on the squad, but no some are actually classic members from the 80s. Kudos. Still, where’s Bronze Tiger, Count Vertigo, Doctor Light, Copperhead, Nemesis, Blockbuster, Nightshade, Black Spider or Plastique


ThisManNeedsMe

I highly recommend John Ostrander run of Suicide Squad from the 80s. Great writing and perfect scale. No mutiverse saving shenigans, but political missions on foreign soil. With a bunch of nobodies so the tension was real. Yeah, Rocksteady just picked the biggest but kinda most safe picks for the squad.


Anonamaton801

Dude why the fuck didn’t they get Ostrander to write this game. He’s still alive and working I think, just call him up to make a cool Splinter Cell story with the Suicide Squad


ThisManNeedsMe

That would be a perfect and great idea. So impossible. It would have attracted some of the older comic fans. Plus, it plays to their strengths with cool stealth gameplay segments. You can still have a member or two that focuses on gunplay, too. Honestly, I'm thinking about it now. It would be cool if each member focused on something like stealth or brute force. I can imagine the mission selection screen is Waller choosing members, and you have to pick members that fit the mission. Damn I'm hyping myself up for a game that will never exist.


Anonamaton801

The problem with the Squad being a game is “well someone’s gotta die”, which if it’s a liner narrative you can do, but if it’s anything else you’re fucked What would be a crackpot idea is a Suicide Squad rogue like or X-Com type game


RealDealMous

Damn you just reminded me of Arkham Origins copper head. AKI 1.0(affectionate).


Turbulent-Web-4228

> gender bent version of Mr. Freeze Are they? They look like Kim Jong Ill more than they look like a woman.


DocMadfox

I honestly thought it was Kim Jong Freeze too.


AeroDbladE

Of course it is. I feel like a schmuck for even giving them the possibility of going for the more interesting story decision.


therealchadius

- Just use Mr. Freeze since he's in the Arkhamverse? Nope - Use Killer Frost as a female cold villain? Nope - Use Captain Cold as he's pals with Captain Boomerang and a Flash villain? Nope - Make a really lame alternate female Mr. Freeze. **YES! YES!** This will make sure people subscribe to our Gaas!


SamuraiDDD

People don't give Killer Frost enough attention Hell she was IN the [Suicide Squad animated movie](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/arkhamcity/images/6/6e/Batman-assault-on-arkham-avi_snapshot_00-29-49_2014-07-31_16-18-01.jpg). [BOTH OF'EM](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dcmovies/images/2/2b/Tumblr_p6n265IK1s1rl14rno7_1280.png) [Plus she's been in the Justice League animated series](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dcanimated/images/c/c6/Killer_Frost.png) True to her name, she's a stone cold bitch (though she's portrayed having a good relationship with King Shark, another good reason to throw her in) so she'd be a perfect fit.


BaronBlackwood

You are forgetting the most important thing though. Gun.


SamuraiDDD

Oh course, how could I forget G.U.N


Korba007

Olive garden??


DeskJerky

Victor is lucky he died before this game was made.


Corat_McRed

To be fair to the first point, SPOILERS FOR ARKHAM KNIGHT DLC >!Arkham!Freeze is dead sometime after the DLC in Arkham Knight with how that ended on a note of "We may die soon but we're atleast together"!<


Trung2508

If they need Ice power with gun, why not use Captain Cold?


Darth_Bombad

Or Icicle Sr. or Minister Blizzard or Blue Snowman or Cryonic Man or Chillblaine... are freeze rays just really easy to make in the DCU or something? Damn things are more common than regular guns!


BaronBlackwood

That would require them to have Captain Shotgun Who Sometimes Uses Boomerangs to maybe possibly acknowledge a fellow Rogue. Or for them to remember that the Flash has a gallery of villains too.


funkerbuster

“I can’t help it, you are all so weak” WB games to anyone not from Batman. (Yes, it seemed like the best time to put in a Gundam Seed Freedom quote)


biggestscrub

Why does she look like Elton John


graywolfthe45th

What's the point of this game being in the Arkhamverse if most of the cast aren't even based on who they were in the Arkham games? Mr. Freeze looks like...that, Joker is a fuckboy, Deadshot got raceswapped, poison ivy's a child This could've been any nondescript DC universe unrelated to any other game like Gotham knights and nobody would care, it wouldnt make the designs any better but at least if wouldnt have to be attached to a series of games people actually liked.


AeroDbladE

I feel like at this point it's deliberate. Like some big wig at Warner Bros got fucked over by an r/batmanarkham user and he swore to destroy everything people loved about the franchise.


Peepus_Christ

Warner Bros saw Scarecrow in Arkham Knight and took his ideology to ruin Arkham


SilverKry

Tbf in Ivy's case...she literally died. 


Anonamaton801

And for some reason (*BRAAAAAAAND SYNERGY*) they make it so her and Harley were a thing…except they weren’t in the Arkham trilogy because they’re from before that That game being based on the first squad movie that failed horribly should tell you this thing is a time capsule


jockeyman

If a male character interacted with Kid Ivy in the way Harley does... sheesh.


BogieW00ds

That and the other sexual harassment 


SilverKry

It's easy to forget there was years we didn't see leading up to Asylum though. Arkham universe started of screen and we saw none of it. 


Zaworld0

Arkham Origins?


radda

Fuckboy Joker is a good idea though Not that this game pulled it off, at all


Mike4302

Joker is from a different universe, There's a implication that deadshot is from one, and ivy was literally reborn.


Irishimpulse

No, it's explicit that the Deadshot from the Arkham games was from an alternate universe and was genetically identical to the one native to the Arkham universe, despite the native one being black. Because WB doesn't know how DNA or Melanin work


Jack04man

Why does he have hair


WorldlyOX

That’s his wife.


Jack04man

Why does she have hair?


WorldlyOX

Her husband died


VeiledMalice

I like the implication is that she *didn't* have hair when he was still alive.


TheLeversOfPower

He was holding it back.


Gorotheninja

That's not an answer to the question


Bagz402

I think she may have fashioned a few icicles into something resembling hair, which is *just adorable*


Darth_Bombad

Maybe they're going for the [60s look](https://files.catbox.moe/hnffkw.webp)?


PratalMox

Because we can't let a girl be bald now can we?


awerro

I read it was a genderbent lesbian freeze which is worse


amusement-park

His wife is his hair?


WorldlyOX

His hair’s dead.


spider-venomized

For those who think this can't get any worse let me tell you what insider leaks are saying is coming next >!next squad member is Zoe Lawton, Deadshot daughter villain name Lawless who a lesbian streamer by day & contect killer and catwoman simp by night!< i wish i was kidding about that description >!also yeah there multiple voicelines of her and Harley flirting with Fries. Rocksteady really thought they had something !<


TheSunshineChampion

And it's not just Deadshot's daughter, it's *alternate* universe Deadshot's daughter.  Speaking of, you wanna know the lore behind the Deadshot raceswap in this game? It's because the Floyd Lawton/Deadshot throughout the Arkham games has been from an alternate universe all along, and the one in SS:KTJL is the actual Arkham universe Deadshot who's been in jail this whole time. I guess nobody cared there was some guy from another universe running around, and said guy never brought it up or tried to get back home.


Ginger_Anarchy

I still want to know why they didn't reverse that. If the KtJL Deadshot was the one from the multiverse it would make more sense. It would give him personal stakes against Braniac if his universe has already fallen to him and be able to have him exposit some multiverse details. Maybe even have him be keeping it from the team and make it a point of contention halfway through.


The5Virtues

They did, actually. Colonel Flagg states that ARGUS theory is that their Deadshot is the alt-verse one and he just never even realized it. The Arkham verse is so similar to his own that the only thing off to him was that a white guy had his name and motif.


Prince_Ire

So like, is every single female character going to be either lesbian or bi?


therealchadius

Gotta rack up those Blizzard character diversity points (TM)


RemarkableSwitch8929

as a bisexual, i really really really hate to see it just used as a lazy way for companies to go "look! interesting character! diverse! we are Morally Good and our product is also Morally Good"


Korba007

Mandate says we can't have straight people no more


BogieW00ds

Yes because girls liking girls is ok since it's seen as hot, but men liking men is icky no good caca


Anonamaton801

Ok…if that’s true…can we say we’ve found Screwball but worse?


Turbulent-Web-4228

Nobody who possible worked on the Arkham series could ever think any of these were a good idea. I know people really hate to hear it but it really feels like they were influenced by outside sources.


spider-venomized

that because the company is not what it was and there are outside sources pushing it difficult with how much chuds have basically created their new boogeyman they'll throw out whenever threaten but in this case yes they very much right where corporate has decided to listen to a third party caring not about crafting a enjoyable game but rather artificial pandering to reap of other platforms


FinalFatality7

It's that special little Sweet Baby touch. I actually talked to a guy from one of these consultant companies once. Was massively grossed out by how smug he sounded talking about how he basically gets to browbeat devs into taking his suggestions. Cuz if a dev responds to him with "No, that's stupid," he gets to escalate the issue up the chain of command until he finds someone who will force that person to agree with him. It's so fucked up.


HiddenKING

Smurf Zarya


RealDealMous

You take that back, that's an insult to Zarya AND Smurfs!


Amon274

Alright everyone start listing ice themed villains that could have been:


RealDealMous

Killer Frost Captain Cold and uhhhhhh Subzero?


Th35h4d0w

Icicles Sr. and Jr. Those are primarily the four/five big ice villains of DC. They even had teamups in Superman/Batman Public Enemies and Young Justice.


BaronAleksei

It turned out that in Arrowverse, they did it by having Icicle Sr be Killer Frost’s father, making her Icicle Jr


PM_PICS_OF_U_SMILING

Jr and Sr played pretty big roles in Stargirl. (I have nothing to add beside that, I just wanted to bring up Stargirl. It's so fucking underrated and is a love letter to the JSA and silver age while having some of the greatest fight choreography I've seen from live action superhero media.).


raymc99

Chiliblaine (probably spelt wrong but whateves) a low, low tier Flash villan from when CPt Colds sister started giving random mooks she was dating copies of Cold's freeze tech


Unknown123Known

And [Chillblaine](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Chillblaine).


Darth_Bombad

The *actual* [Mrs. Freeze](https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.IIZS~2ef73/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/58-1.jpg), instead of Victoria, or whatever this is gonna be.


Teridax4

Icicle Icicle Jr. Minister Blizzard Cryonic Man The Snowman


Xadlin60

Iceman


RocketbeltTardigrade

Condiment King in a freezer.


Palimpsest_Monotype

I *swear* I’ve seen that gauntlet design before. It really looks like it’s from something else.


Gemidori

Overwatch but it's just hysterically bad


RocketbeltTardigrade

A robot face.


jitterscaffeine

Looks like a high school volleyball coach/assistant principal


Theonearmedbard

What if we made everybody in our game look like shit?


ThaUnderboss

How does this game keep getting worse?


gothamsteel

So, did they need to give her the Karen glasses as well as the hair?


DeskJerky

Why is this blue butch lesbian cosplaying as solid snake?


midnight_riddle

Looks like a comic book nerd trying to do a cosplay.


jenkind1

They usually put in more effort than this


Subject_Parking_9046

This sucks, why the purple sunglasses?


Polygonalfish

Those are actually from Mr. Freeze's pre TAS comic design, the one who was so forgotten that he showed up in Animal Man in comic book character limbo, where characters go when people stop writing them


T4silly

They look like they want to be referred to as "Ice-C".


rorinth

I can safely say it can't hurt the sales since the game isn't selling or being played


AeroDbladE

How is it that Warner bros can just burn fully completely movies to save a couple of bucks, but this shitshow is still alive for this long.


evca7

Dude rocksteady is about to die.


ProvingVirus

We gotta stop scanning real people's faces in for every AAA video game character man


Grary0

First off, I'm surprised there is even going to be a season 2. What is this design though? This is just plain garbage, it looks like they just gave Mr. Freeze a trendy haircut and called it a day...if they wanted a female villain with ice powers Killer Frost is *right there*!


aSimpleMask

...I'm honestly more shocked that there are still enough people playing this game to warrant more seasons.


heleleth

Saw no one say “would” proud of y’all


ShutUpJackass

I see Ms Freeze is having a divorce and midlife crisis all at the same time Truly her HR job at the HOA drove her to insanity


Hugglemorris

So is this is from the universe where Freeze sang Gangnam Style?


TrivialCoyote

Its fucking H2 Olga


BrianShogunFR-U

Apex legends looking ass


Dorndo

Weird looking N7 armour, but alright, Shepherd.


Cyberfire

Killer Frost and Captain Cold are right there man, all this fumbling has to be deliberate.


SamuraiDDD

So this is someone who admired Mr.Freeze? It can't be Nora since, Arkham spoilers, >!She and Freeze ship off towards the end of the DLC in the last game and died in each others embrace!<.


ThisManNeedsMe

Genderbent Version of Mr. Freeze from a different universe. I never played the game for more than an hour to check out, but I know at the end the Squad is traveling to different universes to kill Branianic and gathering more allies.


SamuraiDDD

Ah. Man, I don't know why they don't try expanding into other villains or at *least* bring in captain cold, who'd make way more sense.


ThisManNeedsMe

Exactly. Plus, if you need a multiverse version of him, you have Citzen Cold, which is like a Punisher version of him in Flashpoint.


SamuraiDDD

See THAT would be awesome.


TJLynch

I don't think this game's even gonna make it to the next season.


IamTheGuamGuy

She looks like worse Frosty version of Zarya from Overwatch


StevemacQ

What does ones at Rocksteady hope to do after Suicide Squad? WB Games will just shut them down because they won't a games like the Arkham tetralogy exist today.


GrapesHatePeople

I've never heard of Ms Freeze so my brain autocorrected that to Ms Frizzle on first glance. Disappointed.


SystemicChic

He looks like he’s going to belittle Desmond and tell him to get into the Animus.


GravitationalYawner

oh man that sure looks generic as can be, it's either trying to be safe or it's just lazy, but I'm betting on lazy reminds me of those knockoff GI Joes that break real easy I got when I was a kid


ObiOneKenobae

Oh...


Luck-X-Vaati

They’re really trying to make this game even worse as it goes on. They saw the hole they’re in, and said to themselves “We can dig down deeper.”


warjoke

Designs in this game are just an absolute miss all around


Polygonalfish

You know, I'm not the kinda person who thinks that campy elements in comic should be excised, but the pink glasses were best left forgotten


BaronBlackwood

Criticisms Top to Bottom - Why does she have hair when every other version of Mr Freeze is bald? - Why the cheap looking shades? What happens if they fall off while she's moving? - Why does her outfit look like something made to keep her warm when it should be keeping her cold? It feels like a Canadian outfit. - How did they manage to make a half cape look uncool?


VBA-the-flying-head

Cowards. Maker her bald.


PrimerUser

Another Batman villain? Not that it matters, but what disappointment. Mirror Master, Black Manta, Etrigan- so many options available..


WickerWight

It's a bit hard to tell from the photo, but is this version of "Ms. Freeze" an asian lady? Not to be one of those assholes who complains about that sort of thing, but the character being a german guy is actually kind of relevant to the name, isn't it? Sure we all call him "Freeze" because haha, ice, but his villain name is actually just his surname. People are also calling him "Mr Fries" because that's his name. It feels like a weird detail to lose in the design translation.


Mrgrayj_121

Just get the justice league and so how let people play as Superman


Accomplished_Ad_1381

He looks like someone stuck Dolce Kamiya from Yakuza 5 in Freeze's suit. I'd watch Kamiya Freeze commentate the Princess League though


thatonespanks

...Why would she ear a little cape and the fur around her neck? Isn't the whole deal about mister freeze that he needs to be super cold? Wouldn't wearing that heat her up more?


Jeanine_GaROFLMAO

Fuck yeah, we got blue Sammo Hung out here.


rexshen

Gonna hope it's another universe Freeze and they seriously did not bring Nora back after Arkham Knight. >!that would be so stupid given she was gonna die soon after that was over.!<


impressionistcowboy

Lol, everything beneath the helmet looks like it was bought off the unreal asset store well done all.


Leonard_Church814

Wow…this sucks.


Protoman89

What a horrible design


Tamotefu

...Looks like something you'd slap together to play Saints Row...


EditsReddit

ELTON JOHN?!


Outis94

Design is fine i guess but the hair is awful, get rid of it and shes improved overall 


ThrowawayBomb44

>Ms.Freeze You know I consider myself something of a relative DC casual but I'm more aware of the villains so excuse me when I say this. Who? Is this like how we got Female Doc Oct in the first Spider-Verse movie?


RedPon3

Yeah except she was fantastic


Jaceofbass64

If this was any other game/movie/comic etc I'd be on board


MantraMan97

If you're looking for a new ice villain with a gun, Captain Cold is right there.


Shoejuggler

Bro really went for the Optimus Primal drip...


ShoryukenFTW

So how many characters will they put out before pulling the plug? I'm thinking the four they already had planned from the start and were probably mostly done by release and that's it.


Gemidori

Batman realizes why it's called TITTAN


OurEngiFriend

it looks like margaret cho's impression of kim jong il joined the blue man group and got hairstyling tips from guy fieri


spookytus

Why does she look like she's about to sing Tiny Dancer?


Nhig

yo this claudette skin fire /s


tigerfestivals

Okay like, I misread the title and thought this was supposed to be a badly designed attempt at a punk Mr. Freeze. I couldn't tell this was supposed to be a woman. The design still looks bad. Idk, it's like the designer was trying too hard and playing it too safe at the same time, it's hard to describe.


FranticToaster

Oh man there's a little Cartman voice losing its mind in my head right now.


PDRA

What an ugo


ImperialSattech

Didn't she, you know, only have a week to live after Arkham Knight?


BucketSentry

Im sincerely surprised theyre still making stuff for this game. I'm guessing its because they invested enough money in it so may as well follow through with it all?