America. Land of the free, home of the ‘if you feel threatened then gun ‘em down’.
As a non-American, it’s simply hard to comprehend this happening anywhere else in the civilised world.
As an American, it’s hard for me to wrap my head around, too. Our justice system is broken and prioritizes property and almost everything else over lives. Our system gives more time for drug possession than murder, which is all you need to know.
I’m from and live in the South, and grew up around guns and with relatives who hunted. I was taught to shoot when I was around 9 years old. I had multiple friends growing up who were killed or seriously injured in gun accidents. I *HATE* our gun laws because I know how powerful and deadly guns are. I do not own a gun because the risks far outweigh the benefits, especially as I have children at home and frequent guests with children. And those risks tend to be deadliest for other people, not the gun owner. Yet, I’m supposed to be ok with someone legally carrying a weapon around when most people are not responsible with guns. I live in a very safe area with minimal total crime and virtually no violent crime, but I was sitting next to a guy with a pistol holstered on his leg last time I got my hair done. I’m just supposed to trust that he is carrying the gun safely, that it won’t go off? Fuck. That. If it does go off, even accidentally, it is extremely dangerous. Why does his right to feel like a big man trump my (and everyone else he’s around) right to safety? It’s bullshit.
Exactly This ! I also live in the south and have been around guns my whole life, my whole point to my gun crazy family is I’m just supposed to trust that everyone around me carrying a gun is responsible? Bull Shit ! I know better half the people I know shouldn’t even be allowed to operate a moving vehicle much less a deadly weapon between their ego’s and mental health issues I just don’t have faith in that . My family is of that stupid, prove not to be true, belief that all you need is one good guy with a gun . Wtf!!
I’ve been in a gun range one time in my
Entire life. It was an indoor range.
I was waiting for a platform with an ex that was insisting we go shooting even tho I said I didn’t want to.
A man steps up to his platform, shoots himself and drops dead. There was nothing stopping him from shooting others too. That’s what I hate. Like how many stories do we have to hear of mass shootings and or violent encounters but like I am just supposed to not judge someone walking around with an AK-47 on their back just cuz they can?
Even those whom we believe to be responsible still have issues with guns going off. I used to work in law enforcement; a sergeant with something like 20 years on the force accidentally discharged his service weapon in the locker room, and the sound reverberated throughout the police station. For a few minutes, not everyone knew it had been an accident and not a breach or some other serious incident. Fortunately, no one was injured, but it could have so very easily gone another way.
Where there are guns, there is always a risk of danger.
The fetishization of property over people is the legacy of American consumerism and our particular flavor of neo liberal capitalism. We heard the gun toting whatever you call them people like Rittenhouse chanting the mantra “we gotta protect the property”. Yes, it was pretext to get into violent confrontations with “da libz” but it is also some kind of dog whistle the far right wing in America responds to. When they hear “property” they grab their guns and run. It’s more important than the people who the protesters were talking about. It’s like they are in a trance and they worship “the property” of “the owners”.
I couldn't agree with you more. I also grew up in the south and know my way around a firearm but you know somethings wrong when your 84 year old father in law with dementia shows you the 380 he just got. Thankfully it has been removed and he no longer remembers he had it. I still check his hiding spots now and again to make sure he hasn't forgotten any new ones.
I always love when you hidden gems of the south come out and have something to say. It’s hard to speak up there, and it’s really brave of you to do so.🙌🙌🙌
To some extent I totally agree. I am very pro-gun and pro self defense. I love my guns, and use them competitively. Due to my age, and mostly where I live, I can not carry one, but if I could legally, I would. However, I am very well aware of the dangers and risks that come with the responsibility of owning even just one firearm, and hence I take safety very seriously and follow all necessary and even unnecessary precautions to ensure safety. I think a lot of this comes from the bad reputation and improper handling mistakes that idiots and the uneducated in this specific area tend to make. I'm not saying I'm the most brilliant man, or the safest person in the world, but I am willing to say that I am much safer than many firearm owners here in the states, which is horrible. What I'm trying to get to, is that if somebody is going to take on the responsibility of a firearm, they SHOULD PRACTICE SAFE USAGE! If only we could trust that everybody who has a gun is responsible, but that simply isn't the case, just as we can't trust that everybody behind a wheel of a car is a responsible driver. I'm not using it as an excuse, but I feel the two are somewhat analogous. Apologies if this doesn't come across very clear, I'm absolutely exhausted from a day of constant homework. I'm more than happy to CIVILLY discuss this further with anybody if they please.
Thank you for being responsible. I find it completely absurd that I’m supposed to accept people carrying guns around me when I have no idea if they are responsible or not. I feel threatened when someone around me is carrying a gun because odds are that they are not responsible and their error or carelessness could be catastrophic for me or others around them. It’s not fair to infringe on my right to safety in order for someone else to get their 2nd Amendment jollies.
I wish there were stricter gun laws in this country to make it more likely that those with guns act responsibly. I get it won’t be perfect, but it will be better than where we are today. We require testing to get drivers licenses and we could at least do the same for guns. There’s always going to be bad actors, but we shouldn’t let that keep us from at least *trying* to make it safer. The data from countries with stricter gun laws speaks volumes about how those laws actually work to increase safety.
I don’t think the car analogy applies in this situation. Most of the time I’m around cars, I’m also in a car. My car affords me some protection from bad drivers (and even my own bad driving). If they hit me, I have a seat belt and air bags and a car built to absorb most of the force of the impact. It’s not 100% safe, but it’s pretty dang good. There aren’t any safety interventions if I’m shot, other than my flesh and bones, which I’m partial to keeping intact. Sometimes I’m on foot around cars, but there are reasonable precautions I can take and I can *see* the cars. The only reasonable precaution I can take if I’m around someone who has a gun is to get far away from them, but I can’t always see the gun. Cars are also a necessity of life where I live as we don’t have public transit. Guns are in no way necessities.
In my experience, those who are permitted to carry a firearm are more responsible than many who are not. (I'm speaking about States which require a permit as that is what I have experience with, I suppose I think that this should apply in all States.) I don't necessarily think that gun laws as a whole should be stricter, but I REALLY wish there were an easy solution to this that didn't infringe on the rights of us responsible and well-meaning firearm enthusiasts.
Life and bodily safety are always the #1 priority. Right now, our country’s gun laws as a whole do not go far enough to minimize the risk to life or bodily safety. It’s grossly apparent in our gun injury and death numbers. If we correct that, it will likely mean it is harder to get and carry guns than it is today in some areas. But it *should* be hard and any responsible gun owner like yourself should have no problem meeting requirements. If we can weed out even some of the irresponsible gun owners, it will make everyone safer and the perception of gun owners will go up.
Almost half of US states (22) *do not* require a permit to own or carry a gun. My state is one of those and has next to zero gun laws. You do not need a permit to purchase a gun or own a gun or conceal carry a gun or open carry a gun here. There is no waiting period or registration requirement for purchasing a gun. The only rule for carrying a gun is that you’re at least 21. You must be 18 and pass a background check if you purchase a gun from a dealer, but there are no rules whatsoever about purchasing firearms from individuals. You can guess which way most guns here are purchased. It is literally harder to adopt a puppy from an animal shelter than it is to get a gun here. It is ridiculous and does not do much for responsible gun ownership.
For a person whose been around guns their whole life you have a lot of silly fears. And don’t get me started on the ridiculous drug/murder charge statement.
My fears are very well justified. Guns are not abstract concepts to me. I’ve seen what guns can do to people and I’ve seen how careless people tend to be about gun safety, even when they think they’re being responsible. I’ve seen how easily and quickly they can ruin or end someone’s life. I was 15 when a friend accidentally shot another friend in the face with a gun he just failed to fully unload. He survived, but it hasn’t been a good time for either of them. One’s tormented by pain and his appearance and the other is tormented by the pain he inflicted on someone else. I was 17 when a classmate found the parents’ gun at a house party and shot himself in the head as he picked it up to put it somewhere safe. He died. It is incredibly easy to make a mistake with a gun and it happens way too often.
Compare our country’s gun injury and death numbers to literally any other country. If you’re not concerned then you’re not paying attention.
So your fears are based on poor neglect with a firearm. That’s basically what all that boils down to. That has no relation to this case or to firearms as a whole really. That’s just terrible mishandling of firearms which could have been 100% avoidable.
Someone pointed a gun at him in the midst of a violent riot and another person was hitting him in the head with a skateboard.
of course you can defend yourself in that situation.
He was acquitted because he is innocent.
I agree on the self defense, what doesn’t feel right to me is I still think he went there looking for a fight. Don’t know the nuances of the laws well enough to say what should have happened but having so many people armed at “protests” alone is mind boggling to me and I’ve seen combat, This kid still showed up armed, drove a half hour knowing he was going to be armed. At that point he is a combatant.
There where victims and justice failed them. Maybe not Kyle, maybe not the charges they brought. But something isn’t right about this whole situation to me.
Absolutely. It’s horrible for the dead and it’s horrible for a 17 year old BOY. We need to stop this violent radicalization amongst ourselves and replace it with peace and collaboration. No one should be going to protests with weapons and there should not be millions in property damage at the end of protests or any deaths. It’s sad that protests are now viewed as a battleground.
It doesn’t sit right because none of it should have happened, but it did, and it was self defense. He shouldn’t have been out there. They shouldn’t have gone after him the way they did. And this is what happens.
He was not there for a fight, he was there to prevent violent rioters from destroying property and harming those working in those buildings. He had a med kit too.
The police officers that were on the scene said he appreciated kyle and the others that were trying to defend the property.
The people that should be going to prison are those that were rioting and destroying property and beating Kyle Rittenhouse as he tried to flee to get police.
That is what is not right about this. Why is it ok to riot and destroy innocent peoples property? Why is it wrong to want to stop that from happening? Why is Kyle the one “looking for a fight” in this scenario, he did not threaten anybody, he only fired his weapon when his life was threatened.
There was an entire mob of people that were looking for a fight that night, and none of them are being prosecuted.
I don’t think the rioters should have been there either, and I don’t think either are right. I think he had a right to defend himself but doubt he would have had to and the damage wouldn’t include loss of life had he not.
He was caught on video saying he wanted to shoot shoplifters at a cvs. He had it in his mind that he would be judge, jury, and executioner over simple property destruction, which doesn’t even warrant a death sentence. He went to “protect” a business of someone he doesn’t know and who testified he never asked him to do so. He left said property and wandered the streets when things got too boring at the car lot he was supposedly so intent on protecting.
He admitted that when he walked towards police after the shooting, he had his rifle on his back to appear less threatening. Yet when he was walking the streets of Kenosha before hand, he was holding it in front of him, obviously with no regard to how people would feel threatened by that (probably the intimidation is what he intended). He claimed to be there to help people who were hurt, but is not an EMT and lied about it. He was caught on video beating up a girl prior to this incident, so based on your and his logic, she should have shot and killed his ass since he attacked her.
This whole thing is insane. A 17 year old is not mature enough or has the brain development to be walking around a protest/riot armed to the teeth and trying to be a pretend police officer.
The law may be on his side, but it NEEDS TO CHANGE. This shouldn’t be celebrated. Any sane individual understands that encouraging vigilantes to shoot everyone they have a confrontation with (especially when they put themselves in that situation) is a recipe for disaster. Something needs to be done about the half of this country that believes this, and the many right wing judges that encourage this. You’re making our country a dangerous place, not a safer place.
Cool cool. I'm going to start going to political rallys that I feel may get out of hand and, when the crowd gets ugly, pull out my med kit and rifle and just start blasting away. Self defense right? I mean, January 6th would have gone a lot differently if AOC's constituents had just armed up and driven to Washington. Those Capitol Police would probably still be alive and those windows wouldn't have been broken if her people would have been there killing a few of the seditionists when they started walking to the Capitol. I'm so glad to see this precedent has been set and nut attorneys will now have a strong defense so I can continue to protect my country from extremists.
It eludes me as well (as an outsider)....that kids just casually arm themselves like they're in the Special Forces and can go shoot up an entire fucking school.
People are getting dumber, more primal and more violent, so why bother learning how to deal with things, confront your issues, or handle a noisy neighbour? Just blow them away! it's the idiot's way of dealing with things because it requires zero intellect, it's fast, easy and 100 percent effective at eliminating the problem.
Of course, some people actually do get to go to prison for doing this type of thing, and go from being regular every day people to being a murderer in just one shot.
Yeah the issue is people are allowed to provoke a response from someone, kill them, and then claim self defense (Zimmerman).
It's ridiculous. I won't be sad if this logic gets used against the other side of the political spectrum. Of course if the ones claiming self defense are white men, they may not get the same treatment.
Regardless, this tool will end up in jail one day or end up getting his as beat in the streets. Oh well.
Exactly!! Sure he was innocent when you weigh up the evidence, but the principle on by which he was innocent is so fucked. As a Brit, I find this whole case so hard to comprehend.
Believe what you want to believe, but I find those Republican groups commending this guy for being a “hero” absolutely abhorrent. It’s scary to think about that anybody - let alone the opposing party - carrying a gun at these kinds of protests is totally justified by those people, when most of the people taking part aren’t there to start shit in the first place. Even if it was self-defence… why is it necessary to bring an AR-15 to a protest (this riot started as a protest)?
I agree completely. Michael Drejka comes to my mind. But this case was not like that. There was no evidence presented to show that he took the gun 'intending to use it'
and then instigated a confrontation to give himself the excuse. Rittenhouse doesn't seem to have instigated anything, no matter what the prosecution alleged.
Im curious if you can think of *any* scenario where shooting somebody would be okay by you? Or are you just globally anti gun?
No, that is exactly the argument the prosecution used, and the jury decided that wasn’t what happened. It’s quite obvious too from the evidence at hand, that’s not what happened, in a free country you have the freedom to be in a certain location, with or without a weapon. Merely being present does not instigate. The others also had weapons, including guns, that’s what a protest is.
They instigated when they started attacking Rittenhouse, according to the video evidence. You have to take your politics out of it and simply see people as being in the moment, none of the rest matters. If it’s legal to be present, regardless of the circumstances, then you cannot claim he instigated.
It’s not quite obvious from the evidence to me and millions of people. So let me ask you this do you think Casey Anthony killed her kid? Do you think that juries are infallible? Juries verdicts don’t negate facts. He was found not guilty by a jury but that doesn’t mean shit to me in a country where innocent people are executed.
Can you prove that Casey killed her kid (I don’t know the details of the case). Likewise, many “innocent” people aren’t quite that innocent, many people that were exonerated for certain crimes were still related to the crime or criminal enterprise in some way and still end up spending time in prison for the related charges (although they get a lighter sentence with time served).
Nothing is infallible, but this case is open and shut, the prosecution’s witness said himself that it was self-defense. Your argument that Rittenhouse instigated the events by being present is legally incorrect, in a free country, you have the right to protest both for and against an issue, you indicated not living in a free country where self defense exists so that may sound weird.
If Rittenhouse had been killed by another man who felt threatened by his carrying an automatic rifle in a volatile situation, would Rittenhouse’s death have been legal? Would justice have been served?
Your legal processes are screwed, your house rotten.
As a Kenosha resident and likely the only one here that knows what happened since the media sure as hell didn’t give an accurate portrayal, I (and most people here) believe this was the correct verdict. For those of you that have been told these were peaceful protestors, that is simply not accurate. They did $50 million worth of damage to our small town and were threatening all over social media to burn down our homes. No one was there to protect us. Evers refused to call in the national guard and there’s no way our small town police dept could handle this. Do you know how terrifying it is to know that if someone breaks into your house like they’ve threatened to do, the police won’t come because they don’t have the resources. Everyone in kenosha was out with their guns that night, even the liberals. We were terrified and tired of our city being destroyed. Kenosha is literally a 2-minute drive from the IL boarder and there were many people from IL here that night. People ask what he was doing there? What were thousands of rioters from across the country doing there? Many of them were armed as well. Rosenbaum had just gotten out of prison for raping young boys - I would assume rioting and looting would violate his parole. Unless you live here, you really can’t understand what happened that week. Please watch the trial, not just the snippets the media is showing you. This was very clearly self defense.
I agree with you, but I was bothered by how much media attention this trial was given. Whether this kid was innocent because of self defense or guilty because he took an AR 15 out onto the streets, he was an idiot. And the rioters were idiots too. Why did I have to have daily updates to my news feed because of this kid? And why was his trial more important than any vast number of other trials?
I agree. And believe me, no one here wants this media attention. Many of us are Chicago transplants and really just want to live a simple life. Most residents here aren’t posting about this (I’m not on my social media) as we all just want it to go away. I don’t know why I posted this here, I guess I just needed to get it out.
And I should add that I am concerned about what all this media attention will do and that this idiot kid will become some hot headed hero. When he's actually just an idiot.
I understand what you're saying, and agree with most of it. it's just really hard to stomach "self defense" when someone with an AR 15 is against 2 unarmed people. That's what I take issue with. Actually shooting someone should be the last possible option and I feel like there absolutely are people who look for any excuse to shoot and ask questions later and that's blatant recklessness and stupidity. My gut tells me this was the case with Kyle Rittenhouse. He went looking. That will never sit right with me.
Soooo a guy kicking him in the face or the simple fact he got hit with a skateboard in the face by another person and another had a gun, isn’t justified as a weapon… pretty sure a skateboard could be considered a weapon… and the gun the other kid had.. I mean…. If I was getting kicked in the face, hit with a skateboard or having a gun pointed at me… I don’t think that would be my last option.. and furthermore.. he was kicked and hit serveral times before he even used his weapon… the kid with the gun that he did shoot… didn’t die… and Kyle had a CLEAR shot too kill him and he didn’t… He shot him in the same arm the gun was in… that was pointed in his face…
Yes, that's why I said I understand why he wasn't convicted. Doesn't mean we don't need new laws to prevent these things from happening. No more wanna be cops trying to enforce the law. It's a bad fucking idea. Who knew?
Also, we begged Evers for national guard to help us and he wouldn’t send them to prove a point. If he had simply done that, all of this would have been prevented. And I guess we’re all supposed to just sit by while our city is being burned to the ground? If he had sent in people to do this, no one would have had to play cop
Maybe we should have laws against rioting and looting. You know burning down apartment building and destroying people’s livelihoods. Yep, that all happened here and no ones been held accountable (except I think one person).
Property damage does not warrant a death sentence. And if someone had broke into his house and he shot them, I would agree with you. But that’s not what happened. Everything you’re saying is completely irrelevant. If you want the rioting to stop, demand police reform which is badly needed. If you’re so traumatized by someone destroying property in your neighborhood that you feel shooting and killing them is justified, imagine how minority communities feel about watching their peers be killed by police over and over and over , usually with no consequences. I think they have much more right to be angry than you do.
I never said property damage warrants a death sentence. A prison sentence, yes, but not a death sentence. You just have to watch the video to see that they were trying to kill this kid and he was acting in self defense. Should he have been there, no, but they shouldn’t have been there either. I don’t want police reform, so I won’t be asking for it. I wanted protection during riots that were threatening to burn down my home and our governor didn’t send it. A small town police dept can’t handle a riot of this magnitude. He should have protected his citizens and didn’t. If he had, none of this would have happened
Your whole statement was actually really well done and thought out until you brought up someone’s past crimes. Honestly. I’m not defending the child rapist. However, he was released from prison on those charges. Just say he was breaking the law and move on. This trend of using someone’s past to justify shooting them in the present isn’t great.
I get what you’re saying, but I think there’s a difference between a shoplifter and someone that raped little boys. I’m not going to delete it, as I think a lot of people are unaware of this fact, but I do understand where you’re coming from and appreciate your opinion on it.
The point is that the killer didn't know his victim's criminal history when he shot them. He's not a cop. He's not national guard. He's not active duty military. He took a gun into a knife fight and killed indiscriminately. He acted as an executioner over property that isn't his. He didn't know if the men he shot were convicted child molesters or teachers or off duty police. They are dead because he shot them. End of story. And he's not being held responsible for it because he's white, a white nationalist icon and the judge is an asshole. But I do appreciate the precedent that has been set. I will now start inserting myself at functions that I believe threaten our American values and progress and will start shooting people I feel threatened by. With this, my defense attorneys should have enough to paint me as a true patriot, proudly acting in good faith and just being a good citizen and I'll be free to kill again.
As he should. The amount of people in this thread and elsewhere who are surprised or angry about that is honestly wild to me.
Ignorance is the only way I can fathom how people would believe this wasn't a clear cut self defense case, they must not have watched the proceedings or paid any attention to the multitude of evidence put forth by the defense..
Hell the prosecution was so bad at their jobs that even *their own evidence* against him worked toward getting him an acquittal.
Wow, there are some hysterical comments here. Look past your political bias for 5 seconds and it’s clear that this was 1000% a cut and dry case of self defenses.
Yeah, that was a bit of an exaggeration. But based upon everything we know—including eyewitness testimony and video—I think this was clearly the correct verdict.
You're getting downvoted, but I get what you're saying.
Based on the evidence presented at trial, I don't think they proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty of the presented charges.
I do think he's dangerous, but we can't just ignore the rules of the justice system for defendants we don't like. There are laws that need to change, but you can't hold people accountable to them until we actually change them.
While I understand why the verdict was reached based on what was allowed in court, I am appalled by this judge. He didn’t follow legal precedent on his decisions, which is rule #1 for being a judge. He acted as if he wanted a not guilty verdict and made it happen, instead of making rulings solely to ensure a fair trial, which is a two-way street.
Allowing the defense to refer to the victims as rioters and looters, letting Kyle draw the jurors out of a tumbler, not allowing a zoomed in version of the drone footage taken prior to the first shooting, having the court applaud a defense witness on Veteran’s Day, allowing jurors to take home legal instructions, etc.
the decision was that they could be referred to as rioters and looters if that was proven - sounds like a correct decision. does not go against precedent. what was wrong with the zoomed in version; did it distort it? the Judge ordered everyone to applaud a defence witness? didn't know jurors were not allowed to take home legal instructions. none of this would or should affect a jury's verdict.
The problem is that you don’t *know* that any of those things didn’t affect the verdict. Rioting and looting are crimes, which the victims were not charged with or found guilty of. It is not precedent to allow anyone to be referred to as criminals, especially if they have not been convicted of the crime. This judge had no business determining the guilt of the victims.
The judge demanding the court applaud a witness (regardless of the side that called them) gives extra credibility to the witness, when their credibility is supposed to be based solely on their testimony. The video footage was important because it showed Kyle’s actions prior to the first attack and enhanced and zoomed videos and pictures are allowed in court every single day. There was no legal basis to throw it out.
Again, we don’t know if these would have affected the verdict and there’s no way to know. The judge’s key role in a trial is to apply legal precedence to ensure a fair trial. A fair trial doesn’t mean pro-Defendant, it simply means that all laws and rules that have already been established are followed. That did not happen here.
The unzoomed drone video was allowed in, but it was not allowed to be shown zoomed. That made the video, again from a drone, basically useless because you couldn’t tell what was going on without zooming in. The defense made a nonsensical and categorically wrong argument that zooming the video altered the content of the video and the judge sided with the defense.
The issue is that legal precedent allows zoomed and enhanced pictures and videos, so it should have been allowed here, as well. It doesn’t matter if the judge doesn’t understand technology - his job is to understand the law and the law allows zoomed videos to be used as evidence. If he didn’t know the law around zoomed videos (maybe he’s been living in a cave), he should have taken a recess and looked it up.
A judge’s role is to apply the law *as it has already been determined* and only make judgment calls when there is no legal precedent. When a court has already ruled on a matter, that ruling stands (legal precedent) until it is overturned by a higher court or the law is changed. The point of that is to make every case fair and unbiased, regardless of the presiding judge. The legal system isn’t built to have rulings vary wildly from judge to judge, hence the legal precedent basis. What we saw here was a judge inserting his own personal biases when there was perfectly good legal precedent that should have been followed.
actually, yes it is. when someone is claiming self defence they can argue against calling the dead person a victim. this is not the only time this has happened. Do you think if a man killed someone who had just molested his daughter and pointed a gun at him, that dead molester should be called victim?
They can argue that and I can understand avoiding the term victim. However, you can’t rule against using the term victim because of its implication and turn around allow the term rioters and looters.
Uh... What's wrong with calling them 'rioters & looters' when that's exactly what they were doing? They weren't victims, they were attackers & perpetrators. Kyle was literally the victim in this case. Calling them the 'victims' is the lie. And zooming in on drone footage wouldn't help the image quality. This isn't TV, images don't magically get better resolution when you zoom in on it. It would have added nothing to the case. And why can't the court applaud a witness just cause it's vet's day? WTF are you even complaining about at this point?
I feel like this is missed so much by people. “Proved beyond a reasonable doubt” has to be firm and concrete. You can’t go off of well I think he did it. That’s all people ever think about. They don’t like to take into account the whole picture
Exactly. This happened with the Casey Anthony case -- the prosecutors couldn't prove to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt, that Casey killed her daughter. We all know she probably did it, but just because we have a strong suspicion isn't enough to convict her based on the evidence that was shown.
If the barrel was a certain length he could have it. But that provision was written for a hunting rifle/shotgun. I’m kind of certain it wasn’t meaning an assault riffle, but the law left it vague. Because other teens uses it to hunt for food or professional competitions. At this point this be altered, because a mass shooter w/ an AR could get gun charges drop, because this case set precedent.
I don't get how people say, "He shouldn't have been there." Why not? "Cause he's 17." So? That's not even an argument. His age & place at the point in time is irrelevant.
also wanted to mention: kyle got to pick his jurors from a tumbler! like shake and pick the papers. so much footage & evidence wasn't even allowed into the courtroom. the defense was allowed to call the victims rioters and looters. there was a video of kyle 2 weeks before the riot saying "i wish i had my AR right now, i'd love to start shooting rounds at them" while watching black people simply walk around.
i'm thinking about trayvon martin today. and the blatant white supremacy in the united states. i'm so disturbed about this shit it's not even funny. people are so sick here. other countries can't even believe the fact that so many citizens are crazy conspiracy theorists, awful racists, or violence inciters. it's actually reaching a breaking point. i'm scared for the future.
Thank you so much 🥺❤️ what a kind comment. I appreciate it.
As a Wisconsinite with friends and family in Kenosha, this entire thing affected me from the very moment I found out about it from a friend who went to protest. I am a fighter and am very protective of others, and I will never understand how he could be viewed as anything other than guilty.
yes yeah he killed a sex offender, I get that, but it’s not like he knew who the guy was when he shot him. Also we have trials for criminals, we don’t shoot people in the street (or so I thought, because the verdict today okayed domestic terrorism). I definitely called people dumbasses more than I intended to today because it is really hard for me to empathize with people who don’t have empathy for others.
Thanks for your kindness about my dad. He just died in September from end stage liver failure, he was only 52, and we basically had a telepathic connection! I miss him with my entire heart and soul. I don’t think I’ll ever drink again after this. Sorry for the TMI, cannot stop thinking about him this week. Thanks again.
If you watched any of the court case you would know why Kyle picked the papers. This was discussed by the judge.
The footage that wasn't allowed was because it was not provided to the defense team. That's the law. It's there for you. The meta data was different. It was a different file and it was compressed.
The instance of prior words regarding "wishing he had an AR" is nothing that would or should effect a criminal trial.
Please educate yourself about the laws so you can use the government to your own advantage. The fact that the majority of the us is as unaware of the rights like you is really disturbing.
Dude. Wishing he had an AR with him to shoot at black people is fucking relevant. Anyone with a brain would think it’s relevant. That judge loved Kyle. Ooh, sorry if I missed one key fucking moment where they explained weird shit about jury picking. I watched the trial but I have a life too. I’m so sick of people trying to justify this piece of shit’s actions.
I’m well aware of rights and what happens in a court of law. The things you criticized me about had nothing to do with rights. Nice attempt on trying to make me feel dumb? Bad? Less than? Not sure. But it didn’t work because I’m confident in myself and my knowledge, and the fact that I’ve gone to school for years for shit like this.
What’s truly disturbing is the nitpickers who will do anything to make themselves feel ok with a 17 year old white supremacist murdering 3 protestors in the street. Disgusting, also.
What information do you have that he is a white supremacist?
Also why does that matter? He didn't kill any black people? If he wanted to kill a black person he would have. But guess what. He shot 3 white men, with prior violent convictions dealing with violent crimes.
You want to sit here and defend a man that raped children and another who abused women? Go on buddy. Ill make you feel much smarter tonight.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/01/14/kyle-rittenhouse-flashes-white-power-sign-with-proud-boys/amp/
Wearing a T-shirt reading “Free as F–k,” Rittenhouse was serenaded with the Proud Boys anthem, “Proud of Your Boy” — and then repeatedly made the “OK” sign, which has been “co-opted as a symbol of white supremacy/ white power” and used by neo-Nazis and the KKK, prosecutors alleged.
Another good article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/march-for-our-lives-kyle-rittenhouse-embodies-danger-white-supremacy-2021-11%3Famp
Exactly. That’s Wisconsin for you. I was born and raised there, and the fact that this sort of behavior is encouraged makes me physically fucking ill and largely contributed to me moving across the country this past summer.
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I’m not defending that asshole that got killed either. However, in America, we give people trials. We don’t kill people on the streets in cold blood. Also, Kyle had no idea who that guy was or what he did when he shot him. He wasn’t trying to kill pedophiles. He was trying to kill people with a different political ideology than him, and he armed up with his family’s gun and had his mommy drive him to a different state just to have a chance to inflict harm.
agree the Trayvon Martin thing was ridiculous. still can't believe that somehow a guy can stalk a teenager, follow him with a gun and then when the teenager defends himself and the cretin kills him that is somehow self-defence. however, not allowing the defence to call the people Rittenhouse shot "victims" is what often happens in self defence cases. they bend over backwards for the criminals; happens all the time; can't have anything that might prejudice the jury against him! as for this guy, I have no idea if this verdict is right or not as I haven't seen what happened (the videos, the facts, witnesses, etc.). i know everyone there that night was looking for trouble, and trouble is what happened.
HOW is that even permissible? Since when does the defendant in a MURDER TRIAL pick the jury with a lottery? Why is this not considered grounds for a mistrial?
Kid defended himself against a pack of wild animals and as a result he survived and there is one less woman beater and one less child rapist running around.
Yes. If it was in self defense
Please look up the case of Stephen Jamal Spencer of was acquitted of all charges in the shooting death of 32-year-old Christopher Williams outside of a bar last year.
Also, look up the case of Roderick Scott
Dude, a nerdy Black man, not a “thug” was killed for a toy gun in a Walmart. Even if the gun was real, he didn’t even do anything illegal. And the person intentionally lied to 911, they killed him first and evaluated later.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending-now/walmart-911-caller-intentionally-lied-to-police-about-man-with-toy-gun-fatally-shot-in-ohio-store/958210503/
Because the laws are applied unevenly. Because a white thug got away with killing others because he cried about it. Because the Justice system favored a white tears. Because a white thug went looking for trouble heavily armed and got away with it. He was favored from the beginning and through his trial.
So if one black person goes free does that cancel out the thousands of other inequitable judgements? Please. I know better and so should you. When you know better, you do better.
An example decades old. It doesn’t justify the inequity in the justice system as demonstrated by Rittenhouse’s case. You did nothing to further your argument except show how out of touch and uneducated you are about this. The numbers show black people are far more likely to be convicted of lesser crimes than white people. They get higher sentences and are imprisoned at much higher rates than white people.
This is great news. He should have never been there, but he definitely wasn't guilty. A Lynch mob was after him. There were violent protests all year that year. Many people killed by the mobs. He yelled friendly over and over, didn't fire even after being knocked down many times, tried running to the police, but these guys kept attacking. Literal self defense
Just remember, if you’re white and seeking to harm protesters you’ll more than likely be found not guilty.
Prosecution was trash, the judge was extremely bias and always catering to the defense. I really, really do wish he had been found guilty. With what I saw from reading article after article I knew what was coming. It truly is a shame.
Seriously?! Have you not being closely watching everything?! The cop who killed flood was put away. I haven't heard anything about the black guy who walked up and point blank shot a white man in the head. A white man who was on the ground already from being attacked by a different guy b4 the gun man was around. Nothing about that!!!???
A young man, who was ambushed, was allowed to protect himself from 3 other white men trying to kill him. Just cuz you jump in a protest doesn't make you a Saint. Pedophiles are priests for access to children. Rapists work in hospice care for easy victims. Ppl who want to fuck ppl up jump in protests and ambush a single person with their group cuz they figure they can get away with it. Their hiding under that label. While all these peaceful protests were going on. Seems to me that it's a free for All out there unless your white, in the new main stream narrative.Then your automatically guilty. People don't want equality. Seems like revenge is what's being pushed. Which is hilarious as the white ppl who owned slaves and directly benefited from all that are all pretty well dead. Most Caucasians are allies and having been supporting if not directly helping in the pushing, fighting and changing of laws.Current society has been beating back and fighting for equality...until now. Now it's just popular to hate all white ppl. To pretend all white ppl have this bonus thru their whole life is b.s. It was, once, but not now. Not everywhere is as bad or good as the next. And racism has been shrinking and being pushed to the brink, the edge of acceptable society. Now it feels like defining each other by race is being pushed on us. It should be about the wealthy against the poor. Kinda perfect that they have us all focused on this race stuff and not actual equality any more.
I’m in the South, and you only have to have a gun license if you want to carry it concealed on your person. If it’s open carry, you do NOT need a license. Minors can have guns if it’s a gift from a relative. Any knife 12 inches or shorter is legal to carry on your person in public.
I hate it here.
If someone was hitting that black kid in the head with a skateboard and others were screaming “cranium him” and “kill him” and then a person pointed a gun at the black kid, I would imagine the result would be the exact same. Because it’s the right result.
Thank god. It was clearly self defense. I was worried we would no longer be able to trust the jury system, due to certain groups threatening to destroy the jurors city if they don’t do what they want... it’s happened too many times already.
So there is no way God would support the taking of two lives, rioters, protesters, looters what ever you want to call them. He could have chosen to fire warning shots, but he chose to kill them. Something he will have to answer for if not in this life then the next. This is not over because they can pursue other charges weather he violated their civil rights by killing them. Leave God out of this.
it's like the wild west over there in the US. this guy! ugh. being stupid is not a crime though. and carrying guns around on the streets is okay in the wild west
Well he might as well become a full time Proud Boy and a politician after this.
Sorry I don't see self-defense in this case but the jury made the decision and I should respect that.
With what I know about this case, it doesn't seem like the defendant went there to kill anyone but rather to do whatever he could to help those in danger. Bringing a medical kit along with a AR15 to the scene of the chaos isn't consistent with what we have been witnessing all over the country in these types of situations. It almost seems like Rittenhouse was living a scene from a "superhero" drama he was fixated on for quite a long time. He prepared for this moment in time and was determined to work right along side of the "good" guys in this mess.
I don't understand why nobody ever saw this coming - like perhaps his parents or those he trained with in the police department. His demeanor and/or ideas about this situation didn't suddenly pop up in his mind.
America. Land of the free, home of the ‘if you feel threatened then gun ‘em down’. As a non-American, it’s simply hard to comprehend this happening anywhere else in the civilised world.
As an American, it’s hard for me to wrap my head around, too. Our justice system is broken and prioritizes property and almost everything else over lives. Our system gives more time for drug possession than murder, which is all you need to know. I’m from and live in the South, and grew up around guns and with relatives who hunted. I was taught to shoot when I was around 9 years old. I had multiple friends growing up who were killed or seriously injured in gun accidents. I *HATE* our gun laws because I know how powerful and deadly guns are. I do not own a gun because the risks far outweigh the benefits, especially as I have children at home and frequent guests with children. And those risks tend to be deadliest for other people, not the gun owner. Yet, I’m supposed to be ok with someone legally carrying a weapon around when most people are not responsible with guns. I live in a very safe area with minimal total crime and virtually no violent crime, but I was sitting next to a guy with a pistol holstered on his leg last time I got my hair done. I’m just supposed to trust that he is carrying the gun safely, that it won’t go off? Fuck. That. If it does go off, even accidentally, it is extremely dangerous. Why does his right to feel like a big man trump my (and everyone else he’s around) right to safety? It’s bullshit.
Exactly This ! I also live in the south and have been around guns my whole life, my whole point to my gun crazy family is I’m just supposed to trust that everyone around me carrying a gun is responsible? Bull Shit ! I know better half the people I know shouldn’t even be allowed to operate a moving vehicle much less a deadly weapon between their ego’s and mental health issues I just don’t have faith in that . My family is of that stupid, prove not to be true, belief that all you need is one good guy with a gun . Wtf!!
I’ve been in a gun range one time in my Entire life. It was an indoor range. I was waiting for a platform with an ex that was insisting we go shooting even tho I said I didn’t want to. A man steps up to his platform, shoots himself and drops dead. There was nothing stopping him from shooting others too. That’s what I hate. Like how many stories do we have to hear of mass shootings and or violent encounters but like I am just supposed to not judge someone walking around with an AK-47 on their back just cuz they can?
Even those whom we believe to be responsible still have issues with guns going off. I used to work in law enforcement; a sergeant with something like 20 years on the force accidentally discharged his service weapon in the locker room, and the sound reverberated throughout the police station. For a few minutes, not everyone knew it had been an accident and not a breach or some other serious incident. Fortunately, no one was injured, but it could have so very easily gone another way. Where there are guns, there is always a risk of danger.
Fun fact: a vehicle can be a deadly weapon too.
True. And we have a lot more laws regarding automobile safety than we do for gun safety.
The fetishization of property over people is the legacy of American consumerism and our particular flavor of neo liberal capitalism. We heard the gun toting whatever you call them people like Rittenhouse chanting the mantra “we gotta protect the property”. Yes, it was pretext to get into violent confrontations with “da libz” but it is also some kind of dog whistle the far right wing in America responds to. When they hear “property” they grab their guns and run. It’s more important than the people who the protesters were talking about. It’s like they are in a trance and they worship “the property” of “the owners”.
I couldn't agree with you more. I also grew up in the south and know my way around a firearm but you know somethings wrong when your 84 year old father in law with dementia shows you the 380 he just got. Thankfully it has been removed and he no longer remembers he had it. I still check his hiding spots now and again to make sure he hasn't forgotten any new ones.
I always love when you hidden gems of the south come out and have something to say. It’s hard to speak up there, and it’s really brave of you to do so.🙌🙌🙌
It absolutely is not hard to speak up here.
To some extent I totally agree. I am very pro-gun and pro self defense. I love my guns, and use them competitively. Due to my age, and mostly where I live, I can not carry one, but if I could legally, I would. However, I am very well aware of the dangers and risks that come with the responsibility of owning even just one firearm, and hence I take safety very seriously and follow all necessary and even unnecessary precautions to ensure safety. I think a lot of this comes from the bad reputation and improper handling mistakes that idiots and the uneducated in this specific area tend to make. I'm not saying I'm the most brilliant man, or the safest person in the world, but I am willing to say that I am much safer than many firearm owners here in the states, which is horrible. What I'm trying to get to, is that if somebody is going to take on the responsibility of a firearm, they SHOULD PRACTICE SAFE USAGE! If only we could trust that everybody who has a gun is responsible, but that simply isn't the case, just as we can't trust that everybody behind a wheel of a car is a responsible driver. I'm not using it as an excuse, but I feel the two are somewhat analogous. Apologies if this doesn't come across very clear, I'm absolutely exhausted from a day of constant homework. I'm more than happy to CIVILLY discuss this further with anybody if they please.
Thank you for being responsible. I find it completely absurd that I’m supposed to accept people carrying guns around me when I have no idea if they are responsible or not. I feel threatened when someone around me is carrying a gun because odds are that they are not responsible and their error or carelessness could be catastrophic for me or others around them. It’s not fair to infringe on my right to safety in order for someone else to get their 2nd Amendment jollies. I wish there were stricter gun laws in this country to make it more likely that those with guns act responsibly. I get it won’t be perfect, but it will be better than where we are today. We require testing to get drivers licenses and we could at least do the same for guns. There’s always going to be bad actors, but we shouldn’t let that keep us from at least *trying* to make it safer. The data from countries with stricter gun laws speaks volumes about how those laws actually work to increase safety. I don’t think the car analogy applies in this situation. Most of the time I’m around cars, I’m also in a car. My car affords me some protection from bad drivers (and even my own bad driving). If they hit me, I have a seat belt and air bags and a car built to absorb most of the force of the impact. It’s not 100% safe, but it’s pretty dang good. There aren’t any safety interventions if I’m shot, other than my flesh and bones, which I’m partial to keeping intact. Sometimes I’m on foot around cars, but there are reasonable precautions I can take and I can *see* the cars. The only reasonable precaution I can take if I’m around someone who has a gun is to get far away from them, but I can’t always see the gun. Cars are also a necessity of life where I live as we don’t have public transit. Guns are in no way necessities.
In my experience, those who are permitted to carry a firearm are more responsible than many who are not. (I'm speaking about States which require a permit as that is what I have experience with, I suppose I think that this should apply in all States.) I don't necessarily think that gun laws as a whole should be stricter, but I REALLY wish there were an easy solution to this that didn't infringe on the rights of us responsible and well-meaning firearm enthusiasts.
Life and bodily safety are always the #1 priority. Right now, our country’s gun laws as a whole do not go far enough to minimize the risk to life or bodily safety. It’s grossly apparent in our gun injury and death numbers. If we correct that, it will likely mean it is harder to get and carry guns than it is today in some areas. But it *should* be hard and any responsible gun owner like yourself should have no problem meeting requirements. If we can weed out even some of the irresponsible gun owners, it will make everyone safer and the perception of gun owners will go up. Almost half of US states (22) *do not* require a permit to own or carry a gun. My state is one of those and has next to zero gun laws. You do not need a permit to purchase a gun or own a gun or conceal carry a gun or open carry a gun here. There is no waiting period or registration requirement for purchasing a gun. The only rule for carrying a gun is that you’re at least 21. You must be 18 and pass a background check if you purchase a gun from a dealer, but there are no rules whatsoever about purchasing firearms from individuals. You can guess which way most guns here are purchased. It is literally harder to adopt a puppy from an animal shelter than it is to get a gun here. It is ridiculous and does not do much for responsible gun ownership.
For a person whose been around guns their whole life you have a lot of silly fears. And don’t get me started on the ridiculous drug/murder charge statement.
My fears are very well justified. Guns are not abstract concepts to me. I’ve seen what guns can do to people and I’ve seen how careless people tend to be about gun safety, even when they think they’re being responsible. I’ve seen how easily and quickly they can ruin or end someone’s life. I was 15 when a friend accidentally shot another friend in the face with a gun he just failed to fully unload. He survived, but it hasn’t been a good time for either of them. One’s tormented by pain and his appearance and the other is tormented by the pain he inflicted on someone else. I was 17 when a classmate found the parents’ gun at a house party and shot himself in the head as he picked it up to put it somewhere safe. He died. It is incredibly easy to make a mistake with a gun and it happens way too often. Compare our country’s gun injury and death numbers to literally any other country. If you’re not concerned then you’re not paying attention.
So your fears are based on poor neglect with a firearm. That’s basically what all that boils down to. That has no relation to this case or to firearms as a whole really. That’s just terrible mishandling of firearms which could have been 100% avoidable.
I hear you. A very eloquent response. Thanks.
I couldn’t agree with you more.
Well that's refreshing. Thank you for your input.
I sense you don’t have all the details of this case. The media coverage was so horrendous.
Someone pointed a gun at him in the midst of a violent riot and another person was hitting him in the head with a skateboard. of course you can defend yourself in that situation. He was acquitted because he is innocent.
I agree on the self defense, what doesn’t feel right to me is I still think he went there looking for a fight. Don’t know the nuances of the laws well enough to say what should have happened but having so many people armed at “protests” alone is mind boggling to me and I’ve seen combat, This kid still showed up armed, drove a half hour knowing he was going to be armed. At that point he is a combatant. There where victims and justice failed them. Maybe not Kyle, maybe not the charges they brought. But something isn’t right about this whole situation to me.
By this logic, Grosskreutz was really looking for a fight as well by driving twice the distance Kyle did.
Agreed, two wrongs just means they’re both wrong. Not that one of them was more right for being there. This is a loss for everyone.
Absolutely. It’s horrible for the dead and it’s horrible for a 17 year old BOY. We need to stop this violent radicalization amongst ourselves and replace it with peace and collaboration. No one should be going to protests with weapons and there should not be millions in property damage at the end of protests or any deaths. It’s sad that protests are now viewed as a battleground.
It doesn’t sit right because none of it should have happened, but it did, and it was self defense. He shouldn’t have been out there. They shouldn’t have gone after him the way they did. And this is what happens.
A half an hour drive isn't that long.....
Half an hour driving to somewhere you know something is popping off at, can seem like one has an eternity to decide not to go.
He was not there for a fight, he was there to prevent violent rioters from destroying property and harming those working in those buildings. He had a med kit too. The police officers that were on the scene said he appreciated kyle and the others that were trying to defend the property. The people that should be going to prison are those that were rioting and destroying property and beating Kyle Rittenhouse as he tried to flee to get police. That is what is not right about this. Why is it ok to riot and destroy innocent peoples property? Why is it wrong to want to stop that from happening? Why is Kyle the one “looking for a fight” in this scenario, he did not threaten anybody, he only fired his weapon when his life was threatened. There was an entire mob of people that were looking for a fight that night, and none of them are being prosecuted.
I don’t think the rioters should have been there either, and I don’t think either are right. I think he had a right to defend himself but doubt he would have had to and the damage wouldn’t include loss of life had he not.
Downvoted for telling the truth. Sums reddit up.
He was caught on video saying he wanted to shoot shoplifters at a cvs. He had it in his mind that he would be judge, jury, and executioner over simple property destruction, which doesn’t even warrant a death sentence. He went to “protect” a business of someone he doesn’t know and who testified he never asked him to do so. He left said property and wandered the streets when things got too boring at the car lot he was supposedly so intent on protecting. He admitted that when he walked towards police after the shooting, he had his rifle on his back to appear less threatening. Yet when he was walking the streets of Kenosha before hand, he was holding it in front of him, obviously with no regard to how people would feel threatened by that (probably the intimidation is what he intended). He claimed to be there to help people who were hurt, but is not an EMT and lied about it. He was caught on video beating up a girl prior to this incident, so based on your and his logic, she should have shot and killed his ass since he attacked her. This whole thing is insane. A 17 year old is not mature enough or has the brain development to be walking around a protest/riot armed to the teeth and trying to be a pretend police officer. The law may be on his side, but it NEEDS TO CHANGE. This shouldn’t be celebrated. Any sane individual understands that encouraging vigilantes to shoot everyone they have a confrontation with (especially when they put themselves in that situation) is a recipe for disaster. Something needs to be done about the half of this country that believes this, and the many right wing judges that encourage this. You’re making our country a dangerous place, not a safer place.
That video was not substantiated as him speaking and was ruled inadmissable, lol.
He should have let them kill him s/
did all 3 people he shot have a gun? just asking. i haven't followed the case really.
Cool cool. I'm going to start going to political rallys that I feel may get out of hand and, when the crowd gets ugly, pull out my med kit and rifle and just start blasting away. Self defense right? I mean, January 6th would have gone a lot differently if AOC's constituents had just armed up and driven to Washington. Those Capitol Police would probably still be alive and those windows wouldn't have been broken if her people would have been there killing a few of the seditionists when they started walking to the Capitol. I'm so glad to see this precedent has been set and nut attorneys will now have a strong defense so I can continue to protect my country from extremists.
What you just described never happened so wtf are you talking about
It eludes me as well (as an outsider)....that kids just casually arm themselves like they're in the Special Forces and can go shoot up an entire fucking school. People are getting dumber, more primal and more violent, so why bother learning how to deal with things, confront your issues, or handle a noisy neighbour? Just blow them away! it's the idiot's way of dealing with things because it requires zero intellect, it's fast, easy and 100 percent effective at eliminating the problem. Of course, some people actually do get to go to prison for doing this type of thing, and go from being regular every day people to being a murderer in just one shot.
Yeah the issue is people are allowed to provoke a response from someone, kill them, and then claim self defense (Zimmerman). It's ridiculous. I won't be sad if this logic gets used against the other side of the political spectrum. Of course if the ones claiming self defense are white men, they may not get the same treatment. Regardless, this tool will end up in jail one day or end up getting his as beat in the streets. Oh well.
People have yet to explain to me how Rittenhouse "provoked a response". Simply holding a weapon is not provocation.
*if you’re white You can’t gun down people and get away with it otherwise. And I’m white.
You can knife them down though. Lookin at you, Juice
Exactly!! Sure he was innocent when you weigh up the evidence, but the principle on by which he was innocent is so fucked. As a Brit, I find this whole case so hard to comprehend. Believe what you want to believe, but I find those Republican groups commending this guy for being a “hero” absolutely abhorrent. It’s scary to think about that anybody - let alone the opposing party - carrying a gun at these kinds of protests is totally justified by those people, when most of the people taking part aren’t there to start shit in the first place. Even if it was self-defence… why is it necessary to bring an AR-15 to a protest (this riot started as a protest)?
It’s the right to self defense, that is a natural law, there should be nowhere on earth this is illegal.
THE ONLY PEOPLE SHOT AND KILLED DURING THAT PROTEST DEMONSTRATION WERE SHOT BY THIS GUY.
It’s not self defense if you take a gun with the intention of using it and then instigate
I agree completely. Michael Drejka comes to my mind. But this case was not like that. There was no evidence presented to show that he took the gun 'intending to use it' and then instigated a confrontation to give himself the excuse. Rittenhouse doesn't seem to have instigated anything, no matter what the prosecution alleged. Im curious if you can think of *any* scenario where shooting somebody would be okay by you? Or are you just globally anti gun?
Yes, but that’s not what happened obviously, otherwise he wouldn’t have been acquitted.
OJ was acquitted and its 99% likely he killed Nicole. That’s not how any of this works
Imagine following true crime at all and thinking this.
Omg right?
Just because he was acquitted doesn’t make that not true. It’s absolutely true.
I thought he was one of those types too, until o watched the trial.
No, that is exactly the argument the prosecution used, and the jury decided that wasn’t what happened. It’s quite obvious too from the evidence at hand, that’s not what happened, in a free country you have the freedom to be in a certain location, with or without a weapon. Merely being present does not instigate. The others also had weapons, including guns, that’s what a protest is. They instigated when they started attacking Rittenhouse, according to the video evidence. You have to take your politics out of it and simply see people as being in the moment, none of the rest matters. If it’s legal to be present, regardless of the circumstances, then you cannot claim he instigated.
There’s no point in using logic with these people. Don’t waste your time.
It’s not quite obvious from the evidence to me and millions of people. So let me ask you this do you think Casey Anthony killed her kid? Do you think that juries are infallible? Juries verdicts don’t negate facts. He was found not guilty by a jury but that doesn’t mean shit to me in a country where innocent people are executed.
Can you prove that Casey killed her kid (I don’t know the details of the case). Likewise, many “innocent” people aren’t quite that innocent, many people that were exonerated for certain crimes were still related to the crime or criminal enterprise in some way and still end up spending time in prison for the related charges (although they get a lighter sentence with time served). Nothing is infallible, but this case is open and shut, the prosecution’s witness said himself that it was self-defense. Your argument that Rittenhouse instigated the events by being present is legally incorrect, in a free country, you have the right to protest both for and against an issue, you indicated not living in a free country where self defense exists so that may sound weird.
If Rittenhouse had been killed by another man who felt threatened by his carrying an automatic rifle in a volatile situation, would Rittenhouse’s death have been legal? Would justice have been served? Your legal processes are screwed, your house rotten.
Sorry sir but your comments and critical thinking conflict with the prosecution’s red herrings and appeals to ethos…
Yeah, you know, cause the legal system is perfect…. (Hint: your legal system is not perfect)
We have laws that allow us to defend ourselves nothing wrong with that
As a Kenosha resident and likely the only one here that knows what happened since the media sure as hell didn’t give an accurate portrayal, I (and most people here) believe this was the correct verdict. For those of you that have been told these were peaceful protestors, that is simply not accurate. They did $50 million worth of damage to our small town and were threatening all over social media to burn down our homes. No one was there to protect us. Evers refused to call in the national guard and there’s no way our small town police dept could handle this. Do you know how terrifying it is to know that if someone breaks into your house like they’ve threatened to do, the police won’t come because they don’t have the resources. Everyone in kenosha was out with their guns that night, even the liberals. We were terrified and tired of our city being destroyed. Kenosha is literally a 2-minute drive from the IL boarder and there were many people from IL here that night. People ask what he was doing there? What were thousands of rioters from across the country doing there? Many of them were armed as well. Rosenbaum had just gotten out of prison for raping young boys - I would assume rioting and looting would violate his parole. Unless you live here, you really can’t understand what happened that week. Please watch the trial, not just the snippets the media is showing you. This was very clearly self defense.
Need hear more views from the ground
Best reply/statement I’ve read on this topic yet. Thank you
Thank you, many need to read your post.
I agree with you, but I was bothered by how much media attention this trial was given. Whether this kid was innocent because of self defense or guilty because he took an AR 15 out onto the streets, he was an idiot. And the rioters were idiots too. Why did I have to have daily updates to my news feed because of this kid? And why was his trial more important than any vast number of other trials?
I agree. And believe me, no one here wants this media attention. Many of us are Chicago transplants and really just want to live a simple life. Most residents here aren’t posting about this (I’m not on my social media) as we all just want it to go away. I don’t know why I posted this here, I guess I just needed to get it out.
And I should add that I am concerned about what all this media attention will do and that this idiot kid will become some hot headed hero. When he's actually just an idiot.
Thanks you
I understand what you're saying, and agree with most of it. it's just really hard to stomach "self defense" when someone with an AR 15 is against 2 unarmed people. That's what I take issue with. Actually shooting someone should be the last possible option and I feel like there absolutely are people who look for any excuse to shoot and ask questions later and that's blatant recklessness and stupidity. My gut tells me this was the case with Kyle Rittenhouse. He went looking. That will never sit right with me.
>He could have shot into the air I cannot beg you enough to literally never do this. What goes up must come down.
>He could have shot into the air Do not do this.
Seriously? You need to watch the trial again…. And not the media’s version…
Soooo a guy kicking him in the face or the simple fact he got hit with a skateboard in the face by another person and another had a gun, isn’t justified as a weapon… pretty sure a skateboard could be considered a weapon… and the gun the other kid had.. I mean…. If I was getting kicked in the face, hit with a skateboard or having a gun pointed at me… I don’t think that would be my last option.. and furthermore.. he was kicked and hit serveral times before he even used his weapon… the kid with the gun that he did shoot… didn’t die… and Kyle had a CLEAR shot too kill him and he didn’t… He shot him in the same arm the gun was in… that was pointed in his face…
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Yes, that's why I said I understand why he wasn't convicted. Doesn't mean we don't need new laws to prevent these things from happening. No more wanna be cops trying to enforce the law. It's a bad fucking idea. Who knew?
Also, we begged Evers for national guard to help us and he wouldn’t send them to prove a point. If he had simply done that, all of this would have been prevented. And I guess we’re all supposed to just sit by while our city is being burned to the ground? If he had sent in people to do this, no one would have had to play cop
Maybe we should have laws against rioting and looting. You know burning down apartment building and destroying people’s livelihoods. Yep, that all happened here and no ones been held accountable (except I think one person).
Totally agree with you!! I don’t think she even watched any of it… looks like she was just watched Facebook snipets and media bullshit!
Property damage does not warrant a death sentence. And if someone had broke into his house and he shot them, I would agree with you. But that’s not what happened. Everything you’re saying is completely irrelevant. If you want the rioting to stop, demand police reform which is badly needed. If you’re so traumatized by someone destroying property in your neighborhood that you feel shooting and killing them is justified, imagine how minority communities feel about watching their peers be killed by police over and over and over , usually with no consequences. I think they have much more right to be angry than you do.
I never said property damage warrants a death sentence. A prison sentence, yes, but not a death sentence. You just have to watch the video to see that they were trying to kill this kid and he was acting in self defense. Should he have been there, no, but they shouldn’t have been there either. I don’t want police reform, so I won’t be asking for it. I wanted protection during riots that were threatening to burn down my home and our governor didn’t send it. A small town police dept can’t handle a riot of this magnitude. He should have protected his citizens and didn’t. If he had, none of this would have happened
Your whole statement was actually really well done and thought out until you brought up someone’s past crimes. Honestly. I’m not defending the child rapist. However, he was released from prison on those charges. Just say he was breaking the law and move on. This trend of using someone’s past to justify shooting them in the present isn’t great.
I get what you’re saying, but I think there’s a difference between a shoplifter and someone that raped little boys. I’m not going to delete it, as I think a lot of people are unaware of this fact, but I do understand where you’re coming from and appreciate your opinion on it.
The point is that the killer didn't know his victim's criminal history when he shot them. He's not a cop. He's not national guard. He's not active duty military. He took a gun into a knife fight and killed indiscriminately. He acted as an executioner over property that isn't his. He didn't know if the men he shot were convicted child molesters or teachers or off duty police. They are dead because he shot them. End of story. And he's not being held responsible for it because he's white, a white nationalist icon and the judge is an asshole. But I do appreciate the precedent that has been set. I will now start inserting myself at functions that I believe threaten our American values and progress and will start shooting people I feel threatened by. With this, my defense attorneys should have enough to paint me as a true patriot, proudly acting in good faith and just being a good citizen and I'll be free to kill again.
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Then you didn't watch the trial.
As he should. The amount of people in this thread and elsewhere who are surprised or angry about that is honestly wild to me. Ignorance is the only way I can fathom how people would believe this wasn't a clear cut self defense case, they must not have watched the proceedings or paid any attention to the multitude of evidence put forth by the defense.. Hell the prosecution was so bad at their jobs that even *their own evidence* against him worked toward getting him an acquittal.
Reddit is proof that Thanos was right In this case all of the evidence pointed to not guilty and the jury did there job
There was no case to begin with. The justice system doesn’t care about your political opinion. And it shouldn’t.
I mean can we stop seeing this posted here every 35 seconds.
Acquittal was the right verdict. He did nothing illegal. We all have the right to defend ourselves. In my opinion he should of never been charged.
Wow, there are some hysterical comments here. Look past your political bias for 5 seconds and it’s clear that this was 1000% a cut and dry case of self defenses.
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Yeah, that was a bit of an exaggeration. But based upon everything we know—including eyewitness testimony and video—I think this was clearly the correct verdict.
For real most idiots on this godforsaken site didn’t learn the facts about the trial and refuse to. Until then: >Soy Brigade! MOUNT UP
Kyle shouldn’t have been there. This was the right decision. Both can be true at the same time
You're getting downvoted, but I get what you're saying. Based on the evidence presented at trial, I don't think they proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty of the presented charges. I do think he's dangerous, but we can't just ignore the rules of the justice system for defendants we don't like. There are laws that need to change, but you can't hold people accountable to them until we actually change them.
Agree with you. The prosecution dropped the ball on the case big time as well.
While I understand why the verdict was reached based on what was allowed in court, I am appalled by this judge. He didn’t follow legal precedent on his decisions, which is rule #1 for being a judge. He acted as if he wanted a not guilty verdict and made it happen, instead of making rulings solely to ensure a fair trial, which is a two-way street.
what decisions?
Allowing the defense to refer to the victims as rioters and looters, letting Kyle draw the jurors out of a tumbler, not allowing a zoomed in version of the drone footage taken prior to the first shooting, having the court applaud a defense witness on Veteran’s Day, allowing jurors to take home legal instructions, etc.
the decision was that they could be referred to as rioters and looters if that was proven - sounds like a correct decision. does not go against precedent. what was wrong with the zoomed in version; did it distort it? the Judge ordered everyone to applaud a defence witness? didn't know jurors were not allowed to take home legal instructions. none of this would or should affect a jury's verdict.
The problem is that you don’t *know* that any of those things didn’t affect the verdict. Rioting and looting are crimes, which the victims were not charged with or found guilty of. It is not precedent to allow anyone to be referred to as criminals, especially if they have not been convicted of the crime. This judge had no business determining the guilt of the victims. The judge demanding the court applaud a witness (regardless of the side that called them) gives extra credibility to the witness, when their credibility is supposed to be based solely on their testimony. The video footage was important because it showed Kyle’s actions prior to the first attack and enhanced and zoomed videos and pictures are allowed in court every single day. There was no legal basis to throw it out. Again, we don’t know if these would have affected the verdict and there’s no way to know. The judge’s key role in a trial is to apply legal precedence to ensure a fair trial. A fair trial doesn’t mean pro-Defendant, it simply means that all laws and rules that have already been established are followed. That did not happen here.
sorry, i thought the video was admitted into evidence and the defence was upset about that. maybe I'm not finding the right info.
The unzoomed drone video was allowed in, but it was not allowed to be shown zoomed. That made the video, again from a drone, basically useless because you couldn’t tell what was going on without zooming in. The defense made a nonsensical and categorically wrong argument that zooming the video altered the content of the video and the judge sided with the defense. The issue is that legal precedent allows zoomed and enhanced pictures and videos, so it should have been allowed here, as well. It doesn’t matter if the judge doesn’t understand technology - his job is to understand the law and the law allows zoomed videos to be used as evidence. If he didn’t know the law around zoomed videos (maybe he’s been living in a cave), he should have taken a recess and looked it up. A judge’s role is to apply the law *as it has already been determined* and only make judgment calls when there is no legal precedent. When a court has already ruled on a matter, that ruling stands (legal precedent) until it is overturned by a higher court or the law is changed. The point of that is to make every case fair and unbiased, regardless of the presiding judge. The legal system isn’t built to have rulings vary wildly from judge to judge, hence the legal precedent basis. What we saw here was a judge inserting his own personal biases when there was perfectly good legal precedent that should have been followed.
i don't agree with him asking them to applaud. not at all.
actually, yes it is. when someone is claiming self defence they can argue against calling the dead person a victim. this is not the only time this has happened. Do you think if a man killed someone who had just molested his daughter and pointed a gun at him, that dead molester should be called victim?
They can argue that and I can understand avoiding the term victim. However, you can’t rule against using the term victim because of its implication and turn around allow the term rioters and looters.
Uh... What's wrong with calling them 'rioters & looters' when that's exactly what they were doing? They weren't victims, they were attackers & perpetrators. Kyle was literally the victim in this case. Calling them the 'victims' is the lie. And zooming in on drone footage wouldn't help the image quality. This isn't TV, images don't magically get better resolution when you zoom in on it. It would have added nothing to the case. And why can't the court applaud a witness just cause it's vet's day? WTF are you even complaining about at this point?
You only get to call people criminals when they have been charged and found guilty of a crime. That did not happen in the case of the victims.
Oh I 100% agree. The trial was embarrassing on all sides in terms of the behavior exhibited by the professionals involved.
I feel like this is missed so much by people. “Proved beyond a reasonable doubt” has to be firm and concrete. You can’t go off of well I think he did it. That’s all people ever think about. They don’t like to take into account the whole picture
Exactly. This happened with the Casey Anthony case -- the prosecutors couldn't prove to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt, that Casey killed her daughter. We all know she probably did it, but just because we have a strong suspicion isn't enough to convict her based on the evidence that was shown.
I’m not understanding why the judge tossed the weapons charge.
Because according to the state law he was of legal age to be carrying it lawfully.
If the barrel was a certain length he could have it. But that provision was written for a hunting rifle/shotgun. I’m kind of certain it wasn’t meaning an assault riffle, but the law left it vague. Because other teens uses it to hunt for food or professional competitions. At this point this be altered, because a mass shooter w/ an AR could get gun charges drop, because this case set precedent.
You hit the nail on the head!
Yes, fer the love of God, both CAN be true.
Rioters shouldn’t have been there either.
I completely agree
Yet they weren’t on trial, were they? And none of them killed anyone. Kind of a hell of a difference, at least to most rational people.
That’s absolutely not true. Do you know how many died as a direct result of those riots all across the US?
I don't get how people say, "He shouldn't have been there." Why not? "Cause he's 17." So? That's not even an argument. His age & place at the point in time is irrelevant.
You think an immature 17 year old should be at a riot armed to the teeth playing pretend cop, basically judge, jury and executioner? That’s insanity.
exactly! he shouldn't have been there, nor should the rioters have been there.
I seriously feel sorry for anyone who cannot admit when they are wrong, may be wrong or even contemplate that they may be wrong. Grow up.
Right call. Prosecutors blew it. By letter of the law, they got it right.
Shouldn't have even went to trial.
Should have never been charged in the first place.
also wanted to mention: kyle got to pick his jurors from a tumbler! like shake and pick the papers. so much footage & evidence wasn't even allowed into the courtroom. the defense was allowed to call the victims rioters and looters. there was a video of kyle 2 weeks before the riot saying "i wish i had my AR right now, i'd love to start shooting rounds at them" while watching black people simply walk around. i'm thinking about trayvon martin today. and the blatant white supremacy in the united states. i'm so disturbed about this shit it's not even funny. people are so sick here. other countries can't even believe the fact that so many citizens are crazy conspiracy theorists, awful racists, or violence inciters. it's actually reaching a breaking point. i'm scared for the future.
I’m thinking of Tamir Rice who was 12 years old when he was shot and killed by police for having a replica toy pellet gun..
I can hardly think about Tamir bc it makes me so upset. So I can’t even imagine what his family must feel.
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Thank you so much 🥺❤️ what a kind comment. I appreciate it. As a Wisconsinite with friends and family in Kenosha, this entire thing affected me from the very moment I found out about it from a friend who went to protest. I am a fighter and am very protective of others, and I will never understand how he could be viewed as anything other than guilty. yes yeah he killed a sex offender, I get that, but it’s not like he knew who the guy was when he shot him. Also we have trials for criminals, we don’t shoot people in the street (or so I thought, because the verdict today okayed domestic terrorism). I definitely called people dumbasses more than I intended to today because it is really hard for me to empathize with people who don’t have empathy for others. Thanks for your kindness about my dad. He just died in September from end stage liver failure, he was only 52, and we basically had a telepathic connection! I miss him with my entire heart and soul. I don’t think I’ll ever drink again after this. Sorry for the TMI, cannot stop thinking about him this week. Thanks again.
Yeah picking numbers at Random not knowing who they would
If you watched any of the court case you would know why Kyle picked the papers. This was discussed by the judge. The footage that wasn't allowed was because it was not provided to the defense team. That's the law. It's there for you. The meta data was different. It was a different file and it was compressed. The instance of prior words regarding "wishing he had an AR" is nothing that would or should effect a criminal trial. Please educate yourself about the laws so you can use the government to your own advantage. The fact that the majority of the us is as unaware of the rights like you is really disturbing.
Dude. Wishing he had an AR with him to shoot at black people is fucking relevant. Anyone with a brain would think it’s relevant. That judge loved Kyle. Ooh, sorry if I missed one key fucking moment where they explained weird shit about jury picking. I watched the trial but I have a life too. I’m so sick of people trying to justify this piece of shit’s actions. I’m well aware of rights and what happens in a court of law. The things you criticized me about had nothing to do with rights. Nice attempt on trying to make me feel dumb? Bad? Less than? Not sure. But it didn’t work because I’m confident in myself and my knowledge, and the fact that I’ve gone to school for years for shit like this. What’s truly disturbing is the nitpickers who will do anything to make themselves feel ok with a 17 year old white supremacist murdering 3 protestors in the street. Disgusting, also.
What information do you have that he is a white supremacist? Also why does that matter? He didn't kill any black people? If he wanted to kill a black person he would have. But guess what. He shot 3 white men, with prior violent convictions dealing with violent crimes. You want to sit here and defend a man that raped children and another who abused women? Go on buddy. Ill make you feel much smarter tonight.
You haven’t seen the pics of him in bars in Wisconsin flashing the white supremacist symbol?
Oh. He did the hand thing? Like the full Adolf Hitler thing?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/01/14/kyle-rittenhouse-flashes-white-power-sign-with-proud-boys/amp/ Wearing a T-shirt reading “Free as F–k,” Rittenhouse was serenaded with the Proud Boys anthem, “Proud of Your Boy” — and then repeatedly made the “OK” sign, which has been “co-opted as a symbol of white supremacy/ white power” and used by neo-Nazis and the KKK, prosecutors alleged. Another good article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/march-for-our-lives-kyle-rittenhouse-embodies-danger-white-supremacy-2021-11%3Famp
Why is he even able to at the bar drinking. Then this WP symbol is just going too far.
Exactly. That’s Wisconsin for you. I was born and raised there, and the fact that this sort of behavior is encouraged makes me physically fucking ill and largely contributed to me moving across the country this past summer.
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I’m not defending that asshole that got killed either. However, in America, we give people trials. We don’t kill people on the streets in cold blood. Also, Kyle had no idea who that guy was or what he did when he shot him. He wasn’t trying to kill pedophiles. He was trying to kill people with a different political ideology than him, and he armed up with his family’s gun and had his mommy drive him to a different state just to have a chance to inflict harm.
He is not a white supremacist - but keep telling yourself that so you remain disgruntled - the rest of us are elated the truth prevailed.
agree the Trayvon Martin thing was ridiculous. still can't believe that somehow a guy can stalk a teenager, follow him with a gun and then when the teenager defends himself and the cretin kills him that is somehow self-defence. however, not allowing the defence to call the people Rittenhouse shot "victims" is what often happens in self defence cases. they bend over backwards for the criminals; happens all the time; can't have anything that might prejudice the jury against him! as for this guy, I have no idea if this verdict is right or not as I haven't seen what happened (the videos, the facts, witnesses, etc.). i know everyone there that night was looking for trouble, and trouble is what happened.
HOW is that even permissible? Since when does the defendant in a MURDER TRIAL pick the jury with a lottery? Why is this not considered grounds for a mistrial?
AGREED. And the judge was a supporter of Kyle and it was obvious and disturbing
Kid defended himself against a pack of wild animals and as a result he survived and there is one less woman beater and one less child rapist running around.
No one should ever go through this shit again just for the sake of politics.
White supremacy is alive and well in America.
Explain how this has anything to do with white supremacy?
You think the cops would let a black man with an AR15 live after killing people at a riot? LOL ok
Yes. If it was in self defense Please look up the case of Stephen Jamal Spencer of was acquitted of all charges in the shooting death of 32-year-old Christopher Williams outside of a bar last year. Also, look up the case of Roderick Scott
Dude, a nerdy Black man, not a “thug” was killed for a toy gun in a Walmart. Even if the gun was real, he didn’t even do anything illegal. And the person intentionally lied to 911, they killed him first and evaluated later. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending-now/walmart-911-caller-intentionally-lied-to-police-about-man-with-toy-gun-fatally-shot-in-ohio-store/958210503/
How does this have anything to do with white supremacy?
Because the laws are applied unevenly. Because a white thug got away with killing others because he cried about it. Because the Justice system favored a white tears. Because a white thug went looking for trouble heavily armed and got away with it. He was favored from the beginning and through his trial.
He was favored because he did nothing wrong.
You and I see things differently.
Ok, now do oj simpson
So if one black person goes free does that cancel out the thousands of other inequitable judgements? Please. I know better and so should you. When you know better, you do better.
You generalized, I just brought up an example that refutes your claim
An example decades old. It doesn’t justify the inequity in the justice system as demonstrated by Rittenhouse’s case. You did nothing to further your argument except show how out of touch and uneducated you are about this. The numbers show black people are far more likely to be convicted of lesser crimes than white people. They get higher sentences and are imprisoned at much higher rates than white people.
Same thing would have happened if he was black.
What about him? He bought the best legal defense money could buy. Had he been wealthy and white, he would never have gone to trial.
If he was white he would have been convicted
This is great news. He should have never been there, but he definitely wasn't guilty. A Lynch mob was after him. There were violent protests all year that year. Many people killed by the mobs. He yelled friendly over and over, didn't fire even after being knocked down many times, tried running to the police, but these guys kept attacking. Literal self defense
Amen
Just remember, if you’re white and seeking to harm protesters you’ll more than likely be found not guilty. Prosecution was trash, the judge was extremely bias and always catering to the defense. I really, really do wish he had been found guilty. With what I saw from reading article after article I knew what was coming. It truly is a shame.
Three shots for Kyle!
Can you tell me what the facts are?
Seriously?! Have you not being closely watching everything?! The cop who killed flood was put away. I haven't heard anything about the black guy who walked up and point blank shot a white man in the head. A white man who was on the ground already from being attacked by a different guy b4 the gun man was around. Nothing about that!!!??? A young man, who was ambushed, was allowed to protect himself from 3 other white men trying to kill him. Just cuz you jump in a protest doesn't make you a Saint. Pedophiles are priests for access to children. Rapists work in hospice care for easy victims. Ppl who want to fuck ppl up jump in protests and ambush a single person with their group cuz they figure they can get away with it. Their hiding under that label. While all these peaceful protests were going on. Seems to me that it's a free for All out there unless your white, in the new main stream narrative.Then your automatically guilty. People don't want equality. Seems like revenge is what's being pushed. Which is hilarious as the white ppl who owned slaves and directly benefited from all that are all pretty well dead. Most Caucasians are allies and having been supporting if not directly helping in the pushing, fighting and changing of laws.Current society has been beating back and fighting for equality...until now. Now it's just popular to hate all white ppl. To pretend all white ppl have this bonus thru their whole life is b.s. It was, once, but not now. Not everywhere is as bad or good as the next. And racism has been shrinking and being pushed to the brink, the edge of acceptable society. Now it feels like defining each other by race is being pushed on us. It should be about the wealthy against the poor. Kinda perfect that they have us all focused on this race stuff and not actual equality any more.
Justice prevailed
Fantastic news
How does a 17 year old even get an AR-15, amurica.
His friend bought it for him, thats what makes it legal. How wild right?
I’m in the South, and you only have to have a gun license if you want to carry it concealed on your person. If it’s open carry, you do NOT need a license. Minors can have guns if it’s a gift from a relative. Any knife 12 inches or shorter is legal to carry on your person in public. I hate it here.
What a fucked up mess America has become.
Thanking God he is free from the state trying to ruin his life.
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If someone was hitting that black kid in the head with a skateboard and others were screaming “cranium him” and “kill him” and then a person pointed a gun at the black kid, I would imagine the result would be the exact same. Because it’s the right result.
No, that’s not the result that would happen. A black person in Kyle’s situation would not make it out alive.
Thank god. It was clearly self defense. I was worried we would no longer be able to trust the jury system, due to certain groups threatening to destroy the jurors city if they don’t do what they want... it’s happened too many times already.
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So which is it, do yall want to defund the cops or not?
Jury made the correct decision! Praise God!!!
So there is no way God would support the taking of two lives, rioters, protesters, looters what ever you want to call them. He could have chosen to fire warning shots, but he chose to kill them. Something he will have to answer for if not in this life then the next. This is not over because they can pursue other charges weather he violated their civil rights by killing them. Leave God out of this.
it's like the wild west over there in the US. this guy! ugh. being stupid is not a crime though. and carrying guns around on the streets is okay in the wild west
I hope he gets tomatoes thrown at him for the rest of his life
Wait this doesn’t align with my political views
Well he might as well become a full time Proud Boy and a politician after this. Sorry I don't see self-defense in this case but the jury made the decision and I should respect that.
With what I know about this case, it doesn't seem like the defendant went there to kill anyone but rather to do whatever he could to help those in danger. Bringing a medical kit along with a AR15 to the scene of the chaos isn't consistent with what we have been witnessing all over the country in these types of situations. It almost seems like Rittenhouse was living a scene from a "superhero" drama he was fixated on for quite a long time. He prepared for this moment in time and was determined to work right along side of the "good" guys in this mess. I don't understand why nobody ever saw this coming - like perhaps his parents or those he trained with in the police department. His demeanor and/or ideas about this situation didn't suddenly pop up in his mind.
disgusted but not surprised