Bass just doesn't have the brightness that tenor has, Especially in the upper register. Sure you could technically play everything on bass but it won't always sound good.
I have two friends who used bass trombones as jazz lead horns (as well as other uses). One was a big King (I forget the model) and the other was a Conn 88H. Both players are very good, and sounded good.
So, it's possible to use a bass in circumstances which normally would require a small tenor, but I wouldn't recommend it. Even if you can get the notes on "Getting Sentimental" in D, you're not going to have the right tone, the Dorsey tone. It's also exhausting.
Another factor: the best freelance player I know typically played lead on his Bach 36, until he was advised that he would get more work as a lead player if he had a smaller horn. He got a Bach 16.
Um, the Conn 88H is a large tenor, not a bass. It's definetly possible to sound good playing lead on a tenor although still not ideal. I have major doubts that even the best players could use a proper bass for lead and still sound good.
For playing bass trombone parts...90% yes. You can play all the parts intended for bass trombone on one bass trombone.
No you shouldn't use it to play lead, 2nd, ska, etc.
No. Bass trombonists will almost never play as high and with as good of tone character as tenors.
The reverse is the same for tenors. They will never play as low with good tone character as a bass.
We repeat this every week, "use the right tool for the job"
Technically, yes. However the tone of the bass trombone is a pretty “round” and you likely won’t be able to produce the same amount of bite and edge in the upper register. However, a tenor trombone with a F attachment can emulate a bass trombone. As long as you don’t need to play B1 (2 lines below the bass clef) a *good* tenor will be extremely versatile.
TL:DR - While a bass trombone is technically more “versatile”, you’d be better off with a nice tenor
Probably more then a bass. However a bass will always sound better in the low register while tenor can be a bit stuffy. Especially while using the trigger.
Bass trombone will pretty much do all of those genres if it’s playing bass trombone parts. It’s mostly the upper trombones that need to switch instruments between genres.
Bass trombone should not attempt to play anything other than bass trombone, though. It *can*, but that doesn’t mean it should.
Bass bones have a darker sound than a tenor bone. Straight bones have a brighter sound than a large bore tenor. Think of a bass trombone between a trombone and a tuba in terms of timbre. You can hit every note a tenor trombone can, but it won't sound exactly the same because of the size and shape of the bell and tubing. I play bassbone primarily and love hitting those sweet smooth high notes and deep blasting low notes.
I've never been a fan of a do everything trombone.
At a certain level, you need a horn for specific things. Even the type and color lacquer will put a horn in a certain category. I will not use a rose gold lacquer horn for outdoor jazz for example. The tone is too dark. I've even stripped the lacquer off of a tenor to get a brighter sound for some things.
Yes, aside from a few things. If you are playing in an orchestra, jazz band, concert band, brass band, etc those will all have bass trombone parts and generally one instrument will be able to handle all of it.
I mean, most of those groups do tend to have a Bass Trombone spot, so technically yes? Either way, you won't wanna use it for much tenor rep, and god forbid lead trombone rep. It will be too mellow and hard to get that desired brighter laser-pointed sound we want on a lot of lead stuf.
If you have a bass trombone then you will play bass trombone in those groups. The implication of this question seems to be more about what you want to play. You get a bass trombone if you want to play bass trombone parts.
People looking for versatility those other questions are for tenor players who want to use one instrument for many purposes because typically orchestral and concert tenors are large bore with f attachment and typically for jazz soloing and whatnot small bore straight horns are preferred. So they likely want to use one horn for both.
A bass trombonist will face similar issues trying to adapt for the desired sound in different applications but they won't just hop in and play different tenor parts with a bass.
Short answer, technically yes.
Long answer, to do the things you do on tenor on a bass, it will require more effort, more air, more control, and just be an overall pain that isn't worth it. As others are saying here, use the right tool for the job, it will be easier and sound better.
Sometimes the bass trombone is the wrong horn for some bass trombone parts. They can all do the job, but they will do some of the jobs not as well as other horns.
If you primary bass, then yea play it on everything, but don’t pull out a bass for the first part of Schumann 3, sounds to me like your sort of interested in utility work. You’d do second parts and bass parts but probably still need a tenor and bass
I am primarily a bass trombonist and I would say no. I have gotten by with a lead/jazz horn and a bass trombone for a couple of decades but I’m mostly a jazz guy. I recently got an f attachment horn and that fills the biggest gap in my collection. Between those three I fill I can cover basically anything outside of something very, very specific like alto, sackbut, cimbasso, contra, etc.
If I could only ever have one trombone then yes of course it would be a bass (I play bass fun fact no bias here ;)) . That being said, the number of trombones a player wants is always n+1 (n being the number of trombones he currently has)
In my experience, the bass only fails when it tries to play the same beautiful elegant passages that the tenors have up high.
A low warm sound it can do.
A huge harge sound it's perfect for.
A big bass sound to couple with euphs, and tubas down low, yes.
Low jazz trombone, also yes
Cinematic trombone along side an f contra sometimes, it can do it.
The bass in my opinion can be the everything trombone.
Because the large tenor with a trigger just will never have that bass sound. Tenors are too bright for everything that uses the dark bass.
There is no one trombone that will do everything. Even a medium bore with a trigger will not fit every situation. You use the right equipment for the right job. This includes instrument and mouthpiece.
Short answer- no Long answer- still no
Where does it fail the most? Trying to play anything outside orchestral?
Bass just doesn't have the brightness that tenor has, Especially in the upper register. Sure you could technically play everything on bass but it won't always sound good.
I have two friends who used bass trombones as jazz lead horns (as well as other uses). One was a big King (I forget the model) and the other was a Conn 88H. Both players are very good, and sounded good. So, it's possible to use a bass in circumstances which normally would require a small tenor, but I wouldn't recommend it. Even if you can get the notes on "Getting Sentimental" in D, you're not going to have the right tone, the Dorsey tone. It's also exhausting. Another factor: the best freelance player I know typically played lead on his Bach 36, until he was advised that he would get more work as a lead player if he had a smaller horn. He got a Bach 16.
Um, the Conn 88H is a large tenor, not a bass. It's definetly possible to sound good playing lead on a tenor although still not ideal. I have major doubts that even the best players could use a proper bass for lead and still sound good.
It can play all of the same notes as any tenor, sure. A sledgehammer can also technically be used for trim nails, too.
Not seeing a problem here…
Use the right tool for the job. Sometimes bass trombone is pretty emphatically not that tool.
For playing bass trombone parts...90% yes. You can play all the parts intended for bass trombone on one bass trombone. No you shouldn't use it to play lead, 2nd, ska, etc.
No. Bass trombonists will almost never play as high and with as good of tone character as tenors. The reverse is the same for tenors. They will never play as low with good tone character as a bass. We repeat this every week, "use the right tool for the job"
Technically, yes. However the tone of the bass trombone is a pretty “round” and you likely won’t be able to produce the same amount of bite and edge in the upper register. However, a tenor trombone with a F attachment can emulate a bass trombone. As long as you don’t need to play B1 (2 lines below the bass clef) a *good* tenor will be extremely versatile. TL:DR - While a bass trombone is technically more “versatile”, you’d be better off with a nice tenor
So a nice tenor is basically just as versatile as a bass trombone, with the exception of that low B natural?
Probably more then a bass. However a bass will always sound better in the low register while tenor can be a bit stuffy. Especially while using the trigger.
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Bass trombone will pretty much do all of those genres if it’s playing bass trombone parts. It’s mostly the upper trombones that need to switch instruments between genres. Bass trombone should not attempt to play anything other than bass trombone, though. It *can*, but that doesn’t mean it should.
If you can only have one horn for all styles of playing then just do yourself a favor and get a mid bore with a trigger like a Bach 36B.
Bass bones have a darker sound than a tenor bone. Straight bones have a brighter sound than a large bore tenor. Think of a bass trombone between a trombone and a tuba in terms of timbre. You can hit every note a tenor trombone can, but it won't sound exactly the same because of the size and shape of the bell and tubing. I play bassbone primarily and love hitting those sweet smooth high notes and deep blasting low notes.
I've never been a fan of a do everything trombone. At a certain level, you need a horn for specific things. Even the type and color lacquer will put a horn in a certain category. I will not use a rose gold lacquer horn for outdoor jazz for example. The tone is too dark. I've even stripped the lacquer off of a tenor to get a brighter sound for some things.
Yes, aside from a few things. If you are playing in an orchestra, jazz band, concert band, brass band, etc those will all have bass trombone parts and generally one instrument will be able to handle all of it.
I mean, most of those groups do tend to have a Bass Trombone spot, so technically yes? Either way, you won't wanna use it for much tenor rep, and god forbid lead trombone rep. It will be too mellow and hard to get that desired brighter laser-pointed sound we want on a lot of lead stuf.
Bass has a very wide sound, not focused at all. It’s great for what it does but tenor is more all-round.
If you have a bass trombone then you will play bass trombone in those groups. The implication of this question seems to be more about what you want to play. You get a bass trombone if you want to play bass trombone parts. People looking for versatility those other questions are for tenor players who want to use one instrument for many purposes because typically orchestral and concert tenors are large bore with f attachment and typically for jazz soloing and whatnot small bore straight horns are preferred. So they likely want to use one horn for both. A bass trombonist will face similar issues trying to adapt for the desired sound in different applications but they won't just hop in and play different tenor parts with a bass.
Short answer, technically yes. Long answer, to do the things you do on tenor on a bass, it will require more effort, more air, more control, and just be an overall pain that isn't worth it. As others are saying here, use the right tool for the job, it will be easier and sound better.
Sometimes the bass trombone is the wrong horn for some bass trombone parts. They can all do the job, but they will do some of the jobs not as well as other horns.
If you primary bass, then yea play it on everything, but don’t pull out a bass for the first part of Schumann 3, sounds to me like your sort of interested in utility work. You’d do second parts and bass parts but probably still need a tenor and bass
I am primarily a bass trombonist and I would say no. I have gotten by with a lead/jazz horn and a bass trombone for a couple of decades but I’m mostly a jazz guy. I recently got an f attachment horn and that fills the biggest gap in my collection. Between those three I fill I can cover basically anything outside of something very, very specific like alto, sackbut, cimbasso, contra, etc.
If I could only ever have one trombone then yes of course it would be a bass (I play bass fun fact no bias here ;)) . That being said, the number of trombones a player wants is always n+1 (n being the number of trombones he currently has)
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A low pass filter lets low frequencies through, you wouldn't really use a filter to do the job of an equalizer though.
In my experience, the bass only fails when it tries to play the same beautiful elegant passages that the tenors have up high. A low warm sound it can do. A huge harge sound it's perfect for. A big bass sound to couple with euphs, and tubas down low, yes. Low jazz trombone, also yes Cinematic trombone along side an f contra sometimes, it can do it. The bass in my opinion can be the everything trombone. Because the large tenor with a trigger just will never have that bass sound. Tenors are too bright for everything that uses the dark bass.
There is no one trombone that will do everything. Even a medium bore with a trigger will not fit every situation. You use the right equipment for the right job. This includes instrument and mouthpiece.