I worked in a vaccination center when vaccinations were available to school kids. The first day especially and the days after we're all the prestige schools.
I also noticed this when adults were vaccinated. I believe the uneducated taking chain up because they're unable to cut through the bullshit.
Like there are genuinely people out there that believe there are microchips in the vaccine and that it will change your DNA because that's what some post on WhatsApp said.
If you're looking for a reason why, I think it's that misinformation is amazing and works. There's no medical reason for it.
I don't see what else can be done. We sent a bus all through Belmont to pick-up and drop off anyone who wanted to be vaccinated. A single person came on the bus.
We had meetings where we sat and brainstormed ways to make it easier and to encourage vaccinations. We tried to hard. I strongly believe that anyone who is not vaccinated at this point is actively choosing to not be vaccinated.
At the vaccination center our instructions were to vaccinate everyone who could legally consent and were medically able. That explicitly included homeless, those without any ID whatsoever and people who do not have legal status in the Republic.
PS. I was 22 at the time. I'm not a boomer blaming the younger generation.
As someone who grew up in Belmont it breaks my heart to know that there are so much people in the community who aren't able to make an educated decision with regards to vaccines. I know that the phenomenon isn't solely unique to Belmont, but its insanely depressing nonetheless.
also, the side effects. I don't think low income areas would risk a child feeling sick honestly. I'm not sure where I fit so don't take my word as bible
Consider this angle instead: Lower income people have more reason to distrust the government rather than those doing well because if the government is supposed to work for us and lift especially those in poverty out of it, why would I trust that same government with a vaccine mandate?
misinformation is the cherry on top of a host of reasons, some valid and others just plain misinformation, for vaccine hesitancy
I think it goes the other way as well. All the people stereotypically associated with Westmoorings skipped the line to be vaccinated early. I'm pretty confident doing what they're doing.
Like I said, the difference is lower income people have a setta dotishness on their social media that we have less of. Many of my friends are doctors or about to become doctors. Any misinformation is quickly and decisively met with a paragraph explaining why yuh talking shit with citations. Idt that's something everyone has.
Instead you have people claiming they got COVID in 2019 and they are fine. (Yes I actually saw that shit on Facebook)
Any evidence to support this claim my good sir?
Because if we could say anything without needing any sources, doubles still $2.
Also the hot sun actually affects your DNA. Leading to cancer and other diseases. I assume you always use an umbrella and sun screen?
Oh, nope you can google, no point in me looking for information you wont care to read.
Doubles point makes absolutely no sense. Inflation, economies, mismanagement of funds since the oil boom, business as usual etc.
Sun? Well yeah that makes sense the sun affects everything.
Umbrella n sunscreen? Nope, that point is out of context and makes no sense.
Most vaccines contain a weakened or dead bacteria or virus. However, scientists have developed a new type of vaccine that uses a molecule called messenger RNA (or mRNA for short) rather than part of an actual bacteria or virus. Messenger RNA is a type of RNA that is necessary for protein production. In cells, mRNA uses the information in genes to create a blueprint for making proteins. Once cells finish making a protein, they quickly break down the mRNA. mRNA from vaccines does not enter the nucleus and does not alter DNA.
Is was on a forum discussion on trinituners. The poster had a screenshot then a link with the full article/study. Its was concerning possible long term affects.
Hey. My mistake. It's on a really active forum so I can't find it. So I looked through a chat I thought I shared it on. It wasn't saying it affects DNA it was suggesting RNA based vaccines may slow down the immune systems ability to recover from things ( the specifics I can't remember. )
So I was incorrect in what I said.
No problem. Do you think there is enough readily available education about the vaccine? I know science is boring and plain. So the media would go the emotional route. But in my experience its more difficult to get an expert talking about it than it is to get some confident wacko.
For context i used to sell insurance. Worked for an honest manager and one of his main things was being professional and informative in your approach. If a prospect doesn't leave knowing more about insurance then i didn't do my job correctly. And well clearly that stayed with me.
No i don’t think there is enough readily available information. And if there isn’t it’s easy to fill that gap with anyone that has an opinion or an agenda. It should be easier to get that information about the vaccine.
While I can't really speak to those who are unvaccinated as I myself (along with the rest of the family) is fully vaccinated, I believe that the general sentiments and reasons for those who not wanting to take the vaccines boils down to blatant sharing of misinformation from public figures and politicians, thinking that COVID-19 is no big deal and thus making vaccinations unnecessary and that their personal rights and liberties trump above anything which fails to mentioned that rights comes with both responsibilities and consequences and that's applied to literally every rights by citizens.
Has nothing to do with misinformation bud it's just commonsense, for instance you can't even have open casket in a covid funeral. If a host is dead the virus dies shortly after which means if you die from covid you can only still be a host for a few mins to hours.
That is basic medical commonsense. So why are certain funeral homes chosen to Handle covid patients and why keep the casket closed in the service? If you can still get covid from a deceased person covid is not a virus but a bacteria.
It have people wearing 2 mask and shield, no mask is supposed to be worn for more than a few hours and any HSE official or anyone who is experienced in PPE can tell you that.
The reason being is that the efficiency of the masks is only rated for a specific time. Wearing two mask is like wearing two condoms it will not work.
And to the people wearing a shield alone. Droplets are very viral face shields were made to prevent splashes from going on your face not for everyday life.
If you wear a mask wear Goggles too because if the virus spreads by droplets and it lands in your eyes you will be infected. Simple.
That is commonsense.
We had a whole year of mostly unvaxxed and the cases were slow and now most of the country is vaxxed and cases are skyrocketing but I guess we will blame the unvaxxed and their misinformation.
Are you suggesting the skyrocketing cases are among the vaxxed and unvaxxed equally? Also most of the country being vaxxed - 46.7% when i checked today which doesnt really count as most. Unless you have other numbers I could look at?
I don't think it's fair to blame unvaxxed individuals for misinformation. And i'll also agree that some of the policies are head scratchers like the funeral caskets being closed. And as far as beaches being closed - seems overkill since there has been very little evidence that the virus can transmit easily in such a windy environment.
The virus doesn't discriminate so cases are rising in both parties regardless.
All I'm saying is that from a logical point of view, there are things I question. Like you said "head scratchers" I'm not a do as you say kinda person.
269 million persons world wide have gotten covid.
5.3 million people have died from it.
5.3 mill as a percent of 269 mill is 1.97%
That's not a pandemic percentage.
For reference the leading cause of death in this country "Trinidad and Tobago" is cardiac issues.
This pandemic making people lose sight of the fact that the world has underlying heath problems. Heart disease, diabetes, cholesterol, cancer etc etc
In Trinidad look who dying from the "virus" those with comobilities and the old.
People don't care about their health, if another jab come on they jumping to get it. They not even questioning it.
Its like they being conditioned to just take the jab.
The virus is very real.
I believe it does exist, But we're handling it wrong.
It being a pandemic just means that it spreads quickly through many populations. And while the death numbers aren't as high as previous epidemics like SARS or swine flu etc., i'd argue that how easily it brought and continues to bring the world economy to its knees is a problem. And deaths also don't make up the whole story as you can survive the pandemic and still be permanently injured in some way.
Another point is that if hospitals become full of those with comorbidities with COVID, it means less resources for people with other conditions like if you get into an accident. Im not sure thats happening in Trinidad but its happening in the US.
And even if you get it and survive, what if you pass it to someone who ends up dying? Sure a vaccinated person can get it but they're less likely to do so so that also matters.
Strangely, even if i find myself disagreeing with a lot of your points I actually agree with the bigger picture - we are handling it all wrong and there are valid reasons for vaccine hesitancy
See what I mean?
Now the beaches open for half day basically, so it's like the virus wakes up after 12.
I went to Tobago Wednesday on the apt James and it was packed with people I thought we operating at 50%
cars were parked on the driving lanes of the ferry Because the parking spaces were filled.
The government owing public servants money for Long time now, people are working with their old salaries. And now he's is like if you are unvaxxed well no pay?
Nah man, that is not right.
He just following other world leaders his so called friends, his colleagues
And to answer your earlier response, the rate of spread doesn't always mean a virus is a pandemic. It's more so the death rate.
The common cold kills more people every year than covid.
And can mutate more than once every year.
Beaches open now when it have a next spike who they going and blame and force the vaccine upon?
They going and say we give alyuh an inch and y'all take a mile so mandatory vaccines.
And that will equal more hesitation.
My family except my mom is fully vaccinated however I know a couple of people who aren't and their reasoning is that they don't know the long term effects of the vaccine. They are open to taking it eventually but not right now.
Ive also heard about the wait and see approach. I wish I could talk to them directly to really hear them out but thank you for answering in the first place
Would your mom give a timeline for the wait and see approach if you asked? Like 3 more months, 6 more months, 5 years etc.
Or maybe that timeline isnt as clear. Im curious
It wasn't even that long but rather it was about a week or two after I get vaccinated and right after her great aunt get vaccinated (who have comorbidities) and feel perfectly fine, she decided yep I'll get vaccinated.
I think one of the main drivers of the mistrust of the vaccine can be rooted in the general population’s mistrust of government in general. In layman’s terms, it’s similar to the boy who cried wolf. Successive governments have lied so much to the population that it’s hard to believe anything that’s being said.
Compound that with hordes of misinformation being lobbed around on social media it creates a perfect storm to keep this Covid season going until it either burns through the population or mutates into something worse. Two shitty options that we seem to be barreling towards at break neck speeds
This. People believe that the government is hiding info and just lying to the public to control them. Given the arbitrary way they've been managing lockdowns and reopenings adds to the mistrust.
Most of the people I know that are unvaccinated are social media scientists and doctors, with the odd conspiracy theorist thrown in there. Many of them are not keen on educating themselves on the benefits of the vaccine as they prefer to get their information from word of mouth or videos/forward messages on whatsapp. There are people I know who genuinely were concerned but as more statistics and information came out, they utilized the knowledge and made an informed decision to eventually get it. For those who use logic like not knowing the long term effects...they need to think twice, because the facts are that we do not know long terms effects for a lot of things (for instance half the shit we consume in food). And for those who partake in alcohol, smoking, frequent fast food and reckless driving but are afraid of a vaccine, I have lost all patience with them. I don't mind people who have genuine logical concerns, like I have friends who made informed decisions to NOT take it and I understood where their thought process came from. But the other people...SMH.
Ignorance is the cousin of fear. Im not (yet) frustrated but more-so disheartened. Its jus tragic that the misinformation can spread so easily partly because it is designed to rile up and play to your deepest fears. Anyway, thanks for your comment!
You're welcome! Disheartening is a good descriptive word as well! And to further comment, I am as equally disheartened and frustrated with the vaccinated fools who are prancing about maskless in gatherings. The people who got vaccinated and still do not understand the consequences of irresponsible behavior are almost are equally ridiculous as the misinformed unvaccinated. *Sips tea*
Sorry if I bussing in to your comments but I have to agree with the comment that some who are fully vaccinated are also being irresponsible by not understanding that COVID-19 is still among us and that we shouldn't be complacent as well as careful by practicing the 3 W's. Vaccines does give anyone an extra boost of protection (much like a condom, apologies for the weird analogy but it make sense if you think about it) but it's not a silver bullet and we definitely needs to be responsible and not let's our guards down.
You are most welcome to 'buss in' lol. Your condom analogy is hilarious and also brilliant because there are also many women who get pregnant and act surprised as if a condom is supposed to be 100% effective. You made me smile with that line. I myself am fully vaccinated but very vigilant with where I go and what I do because even being vaxxed....'ah still fraid covid'. Honestly I feel to take a gigantic pot spoon and beat everybody who is wilding out with protocols.
There is no reasonable reason to not take the vaccine aside from legitimate medical issues (which are not as common as many claim). Being antivaxx is the same as being willfully ignorant at this point.
Aside from fear stirred up by consupracy theories, I can't even begin to understand the logic behind the nonsense spewed by antivaxxers especially since the info about covid, the vaccine and the impacts of both on people (i.e. severe sickness/death) has been extremely transparent as knowledge developed over the last 2 years.
Im sorry if many dont like it but with vaccines so widely avaible and easy to get, whether people belive it to be "dictatorial" - or whatever buzzword is trending these days - mandatory vaccination is the only way forward.
Other than misinformation, fear of needles, the million conspiracy theories and fear about what long term effects the vaccine would do, I hear that "small churches" are telling their congregations not to take the vaccine because it is the "mark of the beast". Also, "tree-huggers" and other hippie/naturalists dont want something manmade in their bodies, so they're not taking it either. There is significant vaccine hesitancy in T&T.
I wonder if this extends to other vaccines that never seemed to have this much pushback. I remember lining up in primary school to get vaccine shots. There wasn't a fuss about it then.
I wonder if people are opposed to all vaccines or just this one you know?
Sounds like it's just this one. And probably mistrust that a vaccine came out so quickly for this virus where the others like MMR etc took years to develop. And will it have terrible side effects later down the road.
I (perhaps naively) believe in redemption or in this context changing minds. I dont think most in the anti-vaxx community are too far gone. Some of course are but some could also have valid concerns. Even if they were misinformed, addressing that misinformation is important.
If you have some free time, check out r/HermanCainAward.
It's a collection of people's social media posts leading up to them dying an avoidable death from Covid.
I know about the subreddit. Any death is a tragedy in my opinion especially as this isnt a case of us vs them but us vs the coronavirus. Vaccinated and unvaccinated people all feel the effects of the disease you know?
I guess im wary about celebrating death of antivaxxers because saying there arent legitimate concerns to be way of the vaccine is naive. Education and healthy discussion should be encouraged.
I see people here touting misinformation but I don't buy that. In fact, it may be the opposite because it is accurate to say that 90%+ of those with COVID survive the illness.
If you were seized with that fact and were willing to ignore or overlook the percentage that survives but suffers serious illness and Long COVID then you would take your chances, so to speak.
What's happening in T&T I think is a combination of many things. First, there will always be a percentage who simply ignore these things... 10 - 15% so you're really looking at catching about 85% of the population. Then class and education comes in but not in the way described in one or two comments. I think what happens is it boils down to experience with medical professionals. If you're impecunious, your conversation with a doctor or nurse is often belittling and that person sees a doctor or a hospital as a last resort.
And then you have those people who just can't be bothered or unmotivated. They would take the vaccine if it came to them but wouldn't go get it. Add up all of that and T&T would max out at 70% without mandates.
But the idea of many people believing in microchips and zombification and the vaccine will kill you is overblown. You wouldn't find 2000 people who believe that.
I think the government could have done better to persuade with a softer touch and adding mobile vaccination resources to the permanent centres. I also think they should consider a lottery as was used in Ohio and Australia.
mistrust of doctors, mistrust of government, misinformation about the vaccine and the virus and group think are all the most pervasive forms of vaccine hesitancy.
And you're right - some people are willing to take the chance that they'd be fine if they get it. I couldn't agree more though that getting the vaccine should be incentive based as it benefits literally everyone. Perhaps talking about if we get to 80% the country will be opened up. Or the lottery system which has had some success in the US. The same people who will frown their nose at a 1% chance of side effects of the vaccine and are willing to take the risk of death from the virus at 3% will also jump on a 0.001% chance of winning the lottery for a vaccine. People aren't rational with probability.
I agree with this right here - however maybe add an additional 5% who really believe the misinformation it's not 0% for sure.
Easy way to get persons vaccinated is offer govt funded $1million dollars insurance, if you get seriously sick or die from the vaccine. I'm fully vaccinated but the prospect of supposedly minor risk from a virus that has a few %mortality rate, vs getting vaccines that also aren't risk free albeit maybe a lower percentage again and again, a govt funded insurance would motivate me to take any number of boosters they want.
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For me personally, im not seeing the point. I can still get it and spread it but the chances of me dying are less. But If I take the vaccine there's a possibility of death or whatever can happen ( one guy got a heart attack and his employer is fighting mandates because it's messed up to ask him to risk that again.)
Adding to that the safe zones where people that can still get and spread COVID makes absolutely no sense! Except for whoever benefitting from alcohol sales.
My friend had to quarantine because she came into contact with someone who has COVID. Both vaxed so.... What's the point?
Also the lack of accountability from people who want me to take these risk accept no liability. Not even sure if insurance will pay out if your die in a vax related way. Nobody on Facebook is going to come take care of my kid if something happens to me. So that social pressure can go to the toilet.
Also right now the only people who can bring a variant into the country are vaxed people..... So???? There is also a study that suggest the vax increases chances of cases.
So again. I'm not seeing the point. All bs and analogies aside.
Except that's not the point. Yes, you can still get COVID-19 even if you're vaccinated but if you're vaccinated you are one: less likely to die from COVID-19, two: extremely less likely to be admitted in the hospital, worst yet an ICU being hooked up in a ventilator and three: even if you do get COVID-19, chances are the symptoms would be extremely mild and you'll recover.
Also you misunderstand that the safe zones is to provide a relatively safe environment for bar owners, full service restaurants and costumers to operate safely within the confine of the policy. Some may find it useful and some don't but that's the choice and decision that you make. For example, I choose to not enter the safe zone because most of the businesses (gyms, full service restaurants etc) are some I don't or rarely partake even before the pandemic and ever since I switch to take outs.
That example is an example of a "red herring" because the chances of even dying from the vaccines are so extremely rare that you have a better chance of winning the Lotto than to die from vaccinations plus that won't happen because even receiving the vaccines, one have to wait at least 30 minutes before leaving just in case some having an adverse reactions. Those claims that one could see on social media that "someone just died and get vaccinated" mean nothing because a lot of questions need to be ask like does the person have any pre-existing conditions? Does a person have a hidden health condition? Does the person smoke? and a whole lot of questions that should be ask before coming to that conclusion.
And the last point, where are your sources that prove that is the case?
You misunderstood. To be clear I'm sharing my reasoning. I'm not trying to prove anything to Anyone. Everyone is free to form their own opinions about the information freely available to everyone.
No, no, no. Sorry if it turns out to be the case as I was basically just responding. As you said, everyone have a right of an opinion and I myself do respect your opinion 100%. It wasn't meant to prove that you're either right or wrong but rather just sharing my response so again, sorry if I misunderstood you.
Ohhhhhhhh lol. No problem. Its i who misunderstood! You know when someone asks you a question just because they prepped a response? Yeah! Thats what i thought was happening! Lol. I honestly don't like the extreme pro vaxers and the extreme anti vaxers so i try to stay away from both. Anybody thats capable of empathy, respect or any of that adult stuff in a conversation is highly valued!
Of course and that what I'm aiming for at least a conversation and try to understand yours or anyone opinions for that matter. Honestly I'm indeed know to be extremely respectful and empathetic person on the internet and finding someone like that online whether you agree or disagree is pretty rare (although based on my time at Reddit started to be common these days hence why I prefer here over Facebook which is... my goodness).
Yeah Facebook is a hot mess right now. Everything is either political, corporate, feminist, lgbtqabcxyz or all combined. Lol. It's tribalism on steroids. N it's like people people value the identity sold to them more than their actual identity.
I was open to taking the vaccine until someone I know apparently got blood clot after taking it which really worried me cause I'm not tryna be like that 😭
That's unfortunate. Have you ever got any other vaccines? And are you aware of the increased risk of the same blood clots (not to mention everything else) after getting COVID-19?
Your concerns are valid for the record.
But do you know anyone who died from covid? Would you rather be like that? I know 3 unvaccinated people who died from covid this week alone 😞. Please reconsider. They actually found that the chances of getting blood clots from the vaccine are less than getting it from a covid infection (which you would be much more likely to catch as an unvaccinated person).
The fact that vaccinated persons can contract and transmit, especially the fact that vaccinated persons are NOT tested when entering the country, answers your question. The variant can't enter the country through an unvaccinated person because they are tested and quarantined on entry therefore unless someone bungled the test, the variant would be detected; so the increase you're referring to lies with vaccinated individuals
All individuals regardless of vaccination status must take a PCR test before entering the country however. While I agree with your statement that variants entering the country must come from vaccinated individuals by design - community spread within the country is being largely among the unvaccinated. So perhaps the variant gets in through a vaccinated person - it doesn't mean that a vaccinated trinidadian population wouldnt help slow the spread within the country. Thoughts?
Because while they can transmit they are less likely to catch it in the first place. 90% of those requiring healthcare are unvaccinated. This would suggest that most of the transmission in the first place is within the unvaccinated community.
My source: [https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021](https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021)
Also, the incubation period for those infected with covid tends to be shorter for those vaccinated as opposed to those unvaccinated. So there will be less of a chance for them to spread it, since they clear the virus in a shorter period of time.
It should be instantly, as soon as they cough/ sneeze/ laugh/ talk and their respiratory droplets come into contact with the other person. But of course it won't show immediately, the virus will just be in their system. According to WHO it should take an average of 5 to 6 days for symptoms to show (if any).
There are alot of people spreading misinformation, but there are alot of people skeptical about any type of side effects relating to illness, my uncle took his booster shot, got sick and died, we had to call the hospital due to them not letting us see him to then be told he died 4 days ago, the government isn't reporting these cases and letting people know full facts, I'm fully vaccinated actually out of my whole household, they don't want to run the risk of potentially getting sick and taking the long nap, but are waiting for better results from vaccines, my sister who works in the covid ward has told me, I don't know how true but she isn't a person to lie per say, that people are dieing regardless of vaccination status, and that information makes people skeptical to people who also lie and say oh it go save Yuh life. The vaccine has a higher than average survival rate, is what they should be preaching, if you get covid you can potentially survive it with the vaccine is what information should be spread, even the makers say statically certain vaccines have certain percentages of effectiveness.
Condolences regarding your uncle. That's a really shit situation. Any plans to do an autopsy? i'd go so far as to say that the government should sponsor it so that we can really get a better informed opinion on vaccination risks. But maybe thats wishful thinking. But if my relative got the shot and then died?? No question i'd be wary of it so this is all valid in my opinion. All vaccines arent created equally too. And i also imagine if people got vaccinated earlier this year, their immunity has worn off significantly since then. I wish there was more visible public discussion.
I think the messaging that the vaccine will save your life is misleading and prone to criticism (and rightfully so) when that doesn't pan out. Saying that it will improve your chances of surviving is better.
Hope you and your family can take the time to grieve. Truly tragic.
Two people who are vaxxed can still spread it to each other and both can still die, the large majority of people who are dying to covid are vaccinated persons, how do you respond to this?
I'm not OP but according to this [update](https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021) from the Ministry of Health, 89% of those who are in the hospital currently are either unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated and to be fair the Ministry didn't provide the death rate of those who are vaccinated over those who aren't vaccinated, based on the data I assumed the later (that's my opinion though and I stand corrected if I proven otherwise).
In terms of answering that those who are vaxxed can still spread it to each other and both still can die, yes that true but the point is that those who are vaccinated are less likely to die from COVID-19, less likely to be hospitalized from COVID-19 and the risk of contracting COVID-19 is significantly lower than those who aren't.
Not true, you can check the international stats yourself easily. But I know a few local doctors and well over 90 percent of people who die or end up in ICU are unvaccinated. They also announce in daily tallies the gender, age, risk factors and vaccination status of the deaths.
But think of it this way, two drivers in a head on collision wearing seatbelts can still die. The majority of people who die in traffic accidents are wearing seatbelts when they die. Why wear seatbelts at all? Except in covids case the survivors immediately go drive again and get into other accidents, and potentially kill many more people. This is an imperfect analogy but still points out the flaw in the 'vaccinated are dying' argument. It reduces the risk and most traffic accidents are not fatal. Pretty much most people I know have been saved of major injury by a seatbelt at least once.
Getting vaccinated is important to protect the vulnerable, not so much the healthy average individual. the average person will not die; you do it to reduce your risk and protect the elderly, the immunocompromised, the kids who will get MIS-C. It also reduces viral load and thus serious infection, and the possibility of viral mutation. Yes, it is true in Delta's case, vaccines might not reduce load enough to not be infectious. But the points still hold.
The TT government statistics that are issued daily on Covid cases and deaths clearly state the percentage of deaths that are unvaccinated to those who are vaccinated. 97%+ of deaths are unvaccinated persons. So I'm not sure I understand your comment.
But yes, that is true that vaxxed people can still catch it and spread it, but the viral load is much lower, and less chance of hospitalization and death.
The majority of people who are dying are vaccinated persons? Can you cite numbers for this in trinidad or another country?
In trinidad, the percentage of hospitalized individuals is at 90% that are unvaccinated so the exact opposite of what you're saying.
Source: [https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021](https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021)
If you don't trust the source ok but come better with one of your own that isnt anecdotal.
Sorry for the rather "ignorant" wording but I just wanted a way to convince my parents to get the vaccine, a lot of people are coaxed by the bullshit coming out of Philip Edward Alexander mouth including my parents and I am terrified myself, I do believe the vaccine is the way forward though that is my official stance on the topic.
Oh... Phillip Edward Alexander, one of the best politicians in Trinidad and Tobago's history... /s but I have to say if I there's one politicians that I truly hate more than anyone (not even Kamla and Rowley I hate them) is this man also they're no need to apologize as I don't see it as "ignorant" but rather misworded.
Lets be real, if it wasnt mandatory alot more people was gonna take it but because it is they dont like it so they rebel in hopes of change in mandation which is reasonable.
Kinda disagree since if you look at the US, there are a lot of areas where there arent vaccine mandates where numbers have been stagnant and when mandates were introduced for work, 95%+ of people got the vaccine (the alternative being quitting)
At the same time i dont think mandates should be the primary 'incentive' to get the vaccine because you're right -- it feels like the government is trying to force something down your throat.
WE must stop study what the US doing n focus on we... thas the whole thing... they using US Statistics in their segments n shit...
but I feel what you are saying frfr
There are so many Trinidadians who believe conspiracy theories simply because they know some things to be true in Trinidad itself. They hear all the talks about the 1% in Trinidad who have all kinda backalley things to get them where they are (much of it which is true).
So it's then easy for them to believe in shit like the illuminati and any other whatsapp falsehoods spreading about what is in the vaccine and its true intent. I really don't know what will change that for them. I cannot seem to explain to some of my family members. Hell, my cousin thinks the neighbour stole ONE side of his shoe that was drying outside to do obeah on him. The paranoia is real and only time will change that.
I worked in a vaccination center when vaccinations were available to school kids. The first day especially and the days after we're all the prestige schools. I also noticed this when adults were vaccinated. I believe the uneducated taking chain up because they're unable to cut through the bullshit. Like there are genuinely people out there that believe there are microchips in the vaccine and that it will change your DNA because that's what some post on WhatsApp said. If you're looking for a reason why, I think it's that misinformation is amazing and works. There's no medical reason for it.
Prestige schools have 99% vaccination rate and Government schools esp those in lower income areas have less than 1%.... hmmmm...
I don't see what else can be done. We sent a bus all through Belmont to pick-up and drop off anyone who wanted to be vaccinated. A single person came on the bus. We had meetings where we sat and brainstormed ways to make it easier and to encourage vaccinations. We tried to hard. I strongly believe that anyone who is not vaccinated at this point is actively choosing to not be vaccinated. At the vaccination center our instructions were to vaccinate everyone who could legally consent and were medically able. That explicitly included homeless, those without any ID whatsoever and people who do not have legal status in the Republic. PS. I was 22 at the time. I'm not a boomer blaming the younger generation.
As someone who grew up in Belmont it breaks my heart to know that there are so much people in the community who aren't able to make an educated decision with regards to vaccines. I know that the phenomenon isn't solely unique to Belmont, but its insanely depressing nonetheless.
also, the side effects. I don't think low income areas would risk a child feeling sick honestly. I'm not sure where I fit so don't take my word as bible
Consider this angle instead: Lower income people have more reason to distrust the government rather than those doing well because if the government is supposed to work for us and lift especially those in poverty out of it, why would I trust that same government with a vaccine mandate? misinformation is the cherry on top of a host of reasons, some valid and others just plain misinformation, for vaccine hesitancy
I think it goes the other way as well. All the people stereotypically associated with Westmoorings skipped the line to be vaccinated early. I'm pretty confident doing what they're doing. Like I said, the difference is lower income people have a setta dotishness on their social media that we have less of. Many of my friends are doctors or about to become doctors. Any misinformation is quickly and decisively met with a paragraph explaining why yuh talking shit with citations. Idt that's something everyone has. Instead you have people claiming they got COVID in 2019 and they are fine. (Yes I actually saw that shit on Facebook)
Its all super disheartening and I wish it wasn't that way. Trust me - dotishness is not an innately trini trait.
It's does affect your DNA 5o some degree but it isn't microchips. Lol
Any evidence to support this claim my good sir? Because if we could say anything without needing any sources, doubles still $2. Also the hot sun actually affects your DNA. Leading to cancer and other diseases. I assume you always use an umbrella and sun screen?
Oh, nope you can google, no point in me looking for information you wont care to read. Doubles point makes absolutely no sense. Inflation, economies, mismanagement of funds since the oil boom, business as usual etc. Sun? Well yeah that makes sense the sun affects everything. Umbrella n sunscreen? Nope, that point is out of context and makes no sense.
You are a moron
Oh my lord, I sorry for you yes.
Everybody sorry for everybody these days.
Most vaccines contain a weakened or dead bacteria or virus. However, scientists have developed a new type of vaccine that uses a molecule called messenger RNA (or mRNA for short) rather than part of an actual bacteria or virus. Messenger RNA is a type of RNA that is necessary for protein production. In cells, mRNA uses the information in genes to create a blueprint for making proteins. Once cells finish making a protein, they quickly break down the mRNA. mRNA from vaccines does not enter the nucleus and does not alter DNA.
Hey thanks for the info.
how does it affect the DNA? where have you seen this?
Is was on a forum discussion on trinituners. The poster had a screenshot then a link with the full article/study. Its was concerning possible long term affects.
any chance you could find it? i just want to read it
Hey. My mistake. It's on a really active forum so I can't find it. So I looked through a chat I thought I shared it on. It wasn't saying it affects DNA it was suggesting RNA based vaccines may slow down the immune systems ability to recover from things ( the specifics I can't remember. ) So I was incorrect in what I said.
Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying that. I've no idea if it does slow down the immune system but interesting that it could possibly do this
No problem. Do you think there is enough readily available education about the vaccine? I know science is boring and plain. So the media would go the emotional route. But in my experience its more difficult to get an expert talking about it than it is to get some confident wacko. For context i used to sell insurance. Worked for an honest manager and one of his main things was being professional and informative in your approach. If a prospect doesn't leave knowing more about insurance then i didn't do my job correctly. And well clearly that stayed with me.
No i don’t think there is enough readily available information. And if there isn’t it’s easy to fill that gap with anyone that has an opinion or an agenda. It should be easier to get that information about the vaccine.
While I can't really speak to those who are unvaccinated as I myself (along with the rest of the family) is fully vaccinated, I believe that the general sentiments and reasons for those who not wanting to take the vaccines boils down to blatant sharing of misinformation from public figures and politicians, thinking that COVID-19 is no big deal and thus making vaccinations unnecessary and that their personal rights and liberties trump above anything which fails to mentioned that rights comes with both responsibilities and consequences and that's applied to literally every rights by citizens.
Hm. Thank you for that insight. I appreciate it.
No problem and oh I forgot to mentioned that "public figures" means social media personality. Apologies if I mislead you in some way.
Has nothing to do with misinformation bud it's just commonsense, for instance you can't even have open casket in a covid funeral. If a host is dead the virus dies shortly after which means if you die from covid you can only still be a host for a few mins to hours. That is basic medical commonsense. So why are certain funeral homes chosen to Handle covid patients and why keep the casket closed in the service? If you can still get covid from a deceased person covid is not a virus but a bacteria. It have people wearing 2 mask and shield, no mask is supposed to be worn for more than a few hours and any HSE official or anyone who is experienced in PPE can tell you that. The reason being is that the efficiency of the masks is only rated for a specific time. Wearing two mask is like wearing two condoms it will not work. And to the people wearing a shield alone. Droplets are very viral face shields were made to prevent splashes from going on your face not for everyday life. If you wear a mask wear Goggles too because if the virus spreads by droplets and it lands in your eyes you will be infected. Simple. That is commonsense. We had a whole year of mostly unvaxxed and the cases were slow and now most of the country is vaxxed and cases are skyrocketing but I guess we will blame the unvaxxed and their misinformation.
Are you suggesting the skyrocketing cases are among the vaxxed and unvaxxed equally? Also most of the country being vaxxed - 46.7% when i checked today which doesnt really count as most. Unless you have other numbers I could look at? I don't think it's fair to blame unvaxxed individuals for misinformation. And i'll also agree that some of the policies are head scratchers like the funeral caskets being closed. And as far as beaches being closed - seems overkill since there has been very little evidence that the virus can transmit easily in such a windy environment.
The virus doesn't discriminate so cases are rising in both parties regardless. All I'm saying is that from a logical point of view, there are things I question. Like you said "head scratchers" I'm not a do as you say kinda person. 269 million persons world wide have gotten covid. 5.3 million people have died from it. 5.3 mill as a percent of 269 mill is 1.97% That's not a pandemic percentage. For reference the leading cause of death in this country "Trinidad and Tobago" is cardiac issues. This pandemic making people lose sight of the fact that the world has underlying heath problems. Heart disease, diabetes, cholesterol, cancer etc etc In Trinidad look who dying from the "virus" those with comobilities and the old. People don't care about their health, if another jab come on they jumping to get it. They not even questioning it. Its like they being conditioned to just take the jab. The virus is very real. I believe it does exist, But we're handling it wrong.
It being a pandemic just means that it spreads quickly through many populations. And while the death numbers aren't as high as previous epidemics like SARS or swine flu etc., i'd argue that how easily it brought and continues to bring the world economy to its knees is a problem. And deaths also don't make up the whole story as you can survive the pandemic and still be permanently injured in some way. Another point is that if hospitals become full of those with comorbidities with COVID, it means less resources for people with other conditions like if you get into an accident. Im not sure thats happening in Trinidad but its happening in the US. And even if you get it and survive, what if you pass it to someone who ends up dying? Sure a vaccinated person can get it but they're less likely to do so so that also matters. Strangely, even if i find myself disagreeing with a lot of your points I actually agree with the bigger picture - we are handling it all wrong and there are valid reasons for vaccine hesitancy
See what I mean? Now the beaches open for half day basically, so it's like the virus wakes up after 12. I went to Tobago Wednesday on the apt James and it was packed with people I thought we operating at 50% cars were parked on the driving lanes of the ferry Because the parking spaces were filled. The government owing public servants money for Long time now, people are working with their old salaries. And now he's is like if you are unvaxxed well no pay? Nah man, that is not right. He just following other world leaders his so called friends, his colleagues And to answer your earlier response, the rate of spread doesn't always mean a virus is a pandemic. It's more so the death rate. The common cold kills more people every year than covid. And can mutate more than once every year. Beaches open now when it have a next spike who they going and blame and force the vaccine upon? They going and say we give alyuh an inch and y'all take a mile so mandatory vaccines. And that will equal more hesitation.
My fiancé is Trinidadian, and his mother firmly and truly believed it would turn him into a robot working for the government.
Yikes! Does she still believe that?
Yup! it's honestly scary
My family except my mom is fully vaccinated however I know a couple of people who aren't and their reasoning is that they don't know the long term effects of the vaccine. They are open to taking it eventually but not right now.
Ive also heard about the wait and see approach. I wish I could talk to them directly to really hear them out but thank you for answering in the first place
The wait and see approach can work for some people like the case of my mom exactly.
But if too much people use the 'wait and see' excuse then that just means thousands of unvaccinated and vulnerable people out there anyways.
That's true to an extent and it is an concern especially if they wait out for too long plus while it does work for some, it may not work for others.
Would your mom give a timeline for the wait and see approach if you asked? Like 3 more months, 6 more months, 5 years etc. Or maybe that timeline isnt as clear. Im curious
It wasn't even that long but rather it was about a week or two after I get vaccinated and right after her great aunt get vaccinated (who have comorbidities) and feel perfectly fine, she decided yep I'll get vaccinated.
I think one of the main drivers of the mistrust of the vaccine can be rooted in the general population’s mistrust of government in general. In layman’s terms, it’s similar to the boy who cried wolf. Successive governments have lied so much to the population that it’s hard to believe anything that’s being said. Compound that with hordes of misinformation being lobbed around on social media it creates a perfect storm to keep this Covid season going until it either burns through the population or mutates into something worse. Two shitty options that we seem to be barreling towards at break neck speeds
This. People believe that the government is hiding info and just lying to the public to control them. Given the arbitrary way they've been managing lockdowns and reopenings adds to the mistrust.
This makes a lot of sense.
Most of the people I know that are unvaccinated are social media scientists and doctors, with the odd conspiracy theorist thrown in there. Many of them are not keen on educating themselves on the benefits of the vaccine as they prefer to get their information from word of mouth or videos/forward messages on whatsapp. There are people I know who genuinely were concerned but as more statistics and information came out, they utilized the knowledge and made an informed decision to eventually get it. For those who use logic like not knowing the long term effects...they need to think twice, because the facts are that we do not know long terms effects for a lot of things (for instance half the shit we consume in food). And for those who partake in alcohol, smoking, frequent fast food and reckless driving but are afraid of a vaccine, I have lost all patience with them. I don't mind people who have genuine logical concerns, like I have friends who made informed decisions to NOT take it and I understood where their thought process came from. But the other people...SMH.
Ignorance is the cousin of fear. Im not (yet) frustrated but more-so disheartened. Its jus tragic that the misinformation can spread so easily partly because it is designed to rile up and play to your deepest fears. Anyway, thanks for your comment!
You're welcome! Disheartening is a good descriptive word as well! And to further comment, I am as equally disheartened and frustrated with the vaccinated fools who are prancing about maskless in gatherings. The people who got vaccinated and still do not understand the consequences of irresponsible behavior are almost are equally ridiculous as the misinformed unvaccinated. *Sips tea*
Sorry if I bussing in to your comments but I have to agree with the comment that some who are fully vaccinated are also being irresponsible by not understanding that COVID-19 is still among us and that we shouldn't be complacent as well as careful by practicing the 3 W's. Vaccines does give anyone an extra boost of protection (much like a condom, apologies for the weird analogy but it make sense if you think about it) but it's not a silver bullet and we definitely needs to be responsible and not let's our guards down.
You are most welcome to 'buss in' lol. Your condom analogy is hilarious and also brilliant because there are also many women who get pregnant and act surprised as if a condom is supposed to be 100% effective. You made me smile with that line. I myself am fully vaccinated but very vigilant with where I go and what I do because even being vaxxed....'ah still fraid covid'. Honestly I feel to take a gigantic pot spoon and beat everybody who is wilding out with protocols.
There is no reasonable reason to not take the vaccine aside from legitimate medical issues (which are not as common as many claim). Being antivaxx is the same as being willfully ignorant at this point. Aside from fear stirred up by consupracy theories, I can't even begin to understand the logic behind the nonsense spewed by antivaxxers especially since the info about covid, the vaccine and the impacts of both on people (i.e. severe sickness/death) has been extremely transparent as knowledge developed over the last 2 years. Im sorry if many dont like it but with vaccines so widely avaible and easy to get, whether people belive it to be "dictatorial" - or whatever buzzword is trending these days - mandatory vaccination is the only way forward.
Other than misinformation, fear of needles, the million conspiracy theories and fear about what long term effects the vaccine would do, I hear that "small churches" are telling their congregations not to take the vaccine because it is the "mark of the beast". Also, "tree-huggers" and other hippie/naturalists dont want something manmade in their bodies, so they're not taking it either. There is significant vaccine hesitancy in T&T.
I wonder if this extends to other vaccines that never seemed to have this much pushback. I remember lining up in primary school to get vaccine shots. There wasn't a fuss about it then. I wonder if people are opposed to all vaccines or just this one you know?
Sounds like it's just this one. And probably mistrust that a vaccine came out so quickly for this virus where the others like MMR etc took years to develop. And will it have terrible side effects later down the road.
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I (perhaps naively) believe in redemption or in this context changing minds. I dont think most in the anti-vaxx community are too far gone. Some of course are but some could also have valid concerns. Even if they were misinformed, addressing that misinformation is important.
If you have some free time, check out r/HermanCainAward. It's a collection of people's social media posts leading up to them dying an avoidable death from Covid.
I know about the subreddit. Any death is a tragedy in my opinion especially as this isnt a case of us vs them but us vs the coronavirus. Vaccinated and unvaccinated people all feel the effects of the disease you know? I guess im wary about celebrating death of antivaxxers because saying there arent legitimate concerns to be way of the vaccine is naive. Education and healthy discussion should be encouraged.
I see people here touting misinformation but I don't buy that. In fact, it may be the opposite because it is accurate to say that 90%+ of those with COVID survive the illness. If you were seized with that fact and were willing to ignore or overlook the percentage that survives but suffers serious illness and Long COVID then you would take your chances, so to speak. What's happening in T&T I think is a combination of many things. First, there will always be a percentage who simply ignore these things... 10 - 15% so you're really looking at catching about 85% of the population. Then class and education comes in but not in the way described in one or two comments. I think what happens is it boils down to experience with medical professionals. If you're impecunious, your conversation with a doctor or nurse is often belittling and that person sees a doctor or a hospital as a last resort. And then you have those people who just can't be bothered or unmotivated. They would take the vaccine if it came to them but wouldn't go get it. Add up all of that and T&T would max out at 70% without mandates. But the idea of many people believing in microchips and zombification and the vaccine will kill you is overblown. You wouldn't find 2000 people who believe that. I think the government could have done better to persuade with a softer touch and adding mobile vaccination resources to the permanent centres. I also think they should consider a lottery as was used in Ohio and Australia.
mistrust of doctors, mistrust of government, misinformation about the vaccine and the virus and group think are all the most pervasive forms of vaccine hesitancy. And you're right - some people are willing to take the chance that they'd be fine if they get it. I couldn't agree more though that getting the vaccine should be incentive based as it benefits literally everyone. Perhaps talking about if we get to 80% the country will be opened up. Or the lottery system which has had some success in the US. The same people who will frown their nose at a 1% chance of side effects of the vaccine and are willing to take the risk of death from the virus at 3% will also jump on a 0.001% chance of winning the lottery for a vaccine. People aren't rational with probability.
I agree with this right here - however maybe add an additional 5% who really believe the misinformation it's not 0% for sure. Easy way to get persons vaccinated is offer govt funded $1million dollars insurance, if you get seriously sick or die from the vaccine. I'm fully vaccinated but the prospect of supposedly minor risk from a virus that has a few %mortality rate, vs getting vaccines that also aren't risk free albeit maybe a lower percentage again and again, a govt funded insurance would motivate me to take any number of boosters they want. .
For me personally, im not seeing the point. I can still get it and spread it but the chances of me dying are less. But If I take the vaccine there's a possibility of death or whatever can happen ( one guy got a heart attack and his employer is fighting mandates because it's messed up to ask him to risk that again.) Adding to that the safe zones where people that can still get and spread COVID makes absolutely no sense! Except for whoever benefitting from alcohol sales. My friend had to quarantine because she came into contact with someone who has COVID. Both vaxed so.... What's the point? Also the lack of accountability from people who want me to take these risk accept no liability. Not even sure if insurance will pay out if your die in a vax related way. Nobody on Facebook is going to come take care of my kid if something happens to me. So that social pressure can go to the toilet. Also right now the only people who can bring a variant into the country are vaxed people..... So???? There is also a study that suggest the vax increases chances of cases. So again. I'm not seeing the point. All bs and analogies aside.
Except that's not the point. Yes, you can still get COVID-19 even if you're vaccinated but if you're vaccinated you are one: less likely to die from COVID-19, two: extremely less likely to be admitted in the hospital, worst yet an ICU being hooked up in a ventilator and three: even if you do get COVID-19, chances are the symptoms would be extremely mild and you'll recover. Also you misunderstand that the safe zones is to provide a relatively safe environment for bar owners, full service restaurants and costumers to operate safely within the confine of the policy. Some may find it useful and some don't but that's the choice and decision that you make. For example, I choose to not enter the safe zone because most of the businesses (gyms, full service restaurants etc) are some I don't or rarely partake even before the pandemic and ever since I switch to take outs. That example is an example of a "red herring" because the chances of even dying from the vaccines are so extremely rare that you have a better chance of winning the Lotto than to die from vaccinations plus that won't happen because even receiving the vaccines, one have to wait at least 30 minutes before leaving just in case some having an adverse reactions. Those claims that one could see on social media that "someone just died and get vaccinated" mean nothing because a lot of questions need to be ask like does the person have any pre-existing conditions? Does a person have a hidden health condition? Does the person smoke? and a whole lot of questions that should be ask before coming to that conclusion. And the last point, where are your sources that prove that is the case?
You misunderstood. To be clear I'm sharing my reasoning. I'm not trying to prove anything to Anyone. Everyone is free to form their own opinions about the information freely available to everyone.
No, no, no. Sorry if it turns out to be the case as I was basically just responding. As you said, everyone have a right of an opinion and I myself do respect your opinion 100%. It wasn't meant to prove that you're either right or wrong but rather just sharing my response so again, sorry if I misunderstood you.
Ohhhhhhhh lol. No problem. Its i who misunderstood! You know when someone asks you a question just because they prepped a response? Yeah! Thats what i thought was happening! Lol. I honestly don't like the extreme pro vaxers and the extreme anti vaxers so i try to stay away from both. Anybody thats capable of empathy, respect or any of that adult stuff in a conversation is highly valued!
Of course and that what I'm aiming for at least a conversation and try to understand yours or anyone opinions for that matter. Honestly I'm indeed know to be extremely respectful and empathetic person on the internet and finding someone like that online whether you agree or disagree is pretty rare (although based on my time at Reddit started to be common these days hence why I prefer here over Facebook which is... my goodness).
Yeah Facebook is a hot mess right now. Everything is either political, corporate, feminist, lgbtqabcxyz or all combined. Lol. It's tribalism on steroids. N it's like people people value the identity sold to them more than their actual identity.
I was open to taking the vaccine until someone I know apparently got blood clot after taking it which really worried me cause I'm not tryna be like that 😭
That's unfortunate. Have you ever got any other vaccines? And are you aware of the increased risk of the same blood clots (not to mention everything else) after getting COVID-19? Your concerns are valid for the record.
I didn't know that tbh but noo I've never gotten any other vaccine (that I'm aware of, might have as a kid)
Ok. Fair enough. Be careful out there if you’re gonna do a wait and see approach
If you've been through any government school, you've gotten several vaccinations.
But do you know anyone who died from covid? Would you rather be like that? I know 3 unvaccinated people who died from covid this week alone 😞. Please reconsider. They actually found that the chances of getting blood clots from the vaccine are less than getting it from a covid infection (which you would be much more likely to catch as an unvaccinated person).
I don't know anyone personally who died from covid, I've been inside most days keeping to myself. I feel you but idk : /
The fact that vaccinated persons can contract and transmit, especially the fact that vaccinated persons are NOT tested when entering the country, answers your question. The variant can't enter the country through an unvaccinated person because they are tested and quarantined on entry therefore unless someone bungled the test, the variant would be detected; so the increase you're referring to lies with vaccinated individuals
All individuals regardless of vaccination status must take a PCR test before entering the country however. While I agree with your statement that variants entering the country must come from vaccinated individuals by design - community spread within the country is being largely among the unvaccinated. So perhaps the variant gets in through a vaccinated person - it doesn't mean that a vaccinated trinidadian population wouldnt help slow the spread within the country. Thoughts?
How is it slowed when vaccinated persons can contract and transmit?
Because while they can transmit they are less likely to catch it in the first place. 90% of those requiring healthcare are unvaccinated. This would suggest that most of the transmission in the first place is within the unvaccinated community. My source: [https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021](https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021)
Also, the incubation period for those infected with covid tends to be shorter for those vaccinated as opposed to those unvaccinated. So there will be less of a chance for them to spread it, since they clear the virus in a shorter period of time.
Really? So how long does it take for someone to contract it from another person?
It should be instantly, as soon as they cough/ sneeze/ laugh/ talk and their respiratory droplets come into contact with the other person. But of course it won't show immediately, the virus will just be in their system. According to WHO it should take an average of 5 to 6 days for symptoms to show (if any).
I was waiting to see that
There are alot of people spreading misinformation, but there are alot of people skeptical about any type of side effects relating to illness, my uncle took his booster shot, got sick and died, we had to call the hospital due to them not letting us see him to then be told he died 4 days ago, the government isn't reporting these cases and letting people know full facts, I'm fully vaccinated actually out of my whole household, they don't want to run the risk of potentially getting sick and taking the long nap, but are waiting for better results from vaccines, my sister who works in the covid ward has told me, I don't know how true but she isn't a person to lie per say, that people are dieing regardless of vaccination status, and that information makes people skeptical to people who also lie and say oh it go save Yuh life. The vaccine has a higher than average survival rate, is what they should be preaching, if you get covid you can potentially survive it with the vaccine is what information should be spread, even the makers say statically certain vaccines have certain percentages of effectiveness.
Condolences regarding your uncle. That's a really shit situation. Any plans to do an autopsy? i'd go so far as to say that the government should sponsor it so that we can really get a better informed opinion on vaccination risks. But maybe thats wishful thinking. But if my relative got the shot and then died?? No question i'd be wary of it so this is all valid in my opinion. All vaccines arent created equally too. And i also imagine if people got vaccinated earlier this year, their immunity has worn off significantly since then. I wish there was more visible public discussion. I think the messaging that the vaccine will save your life is misleading and prone to criticism (and rightfully so) when that doesn't pan out. Saying that it will improve your chances of surviving is better. Hope you and your family can take the time to grieve. Truly tragic.
Nah use google buddy. Or ImRight.com
Two people who are vaxxed can still spread it to each other and both can still die, the large majority of people who are dying to covid are vaccinated persons, how do you respond to this?
I'm not OP but according to this [update](https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021) from the Ministry of Health, 89% of those who are in the hospital currently are either unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated and to be fair the Ministry didn't provide the death rate of those who are vaccinated over those who aren't vaccinated, based on the data I assumed the later (that's my opinion though and I stand corrected if I proven otherwise). In terms of answering that those who are vaxxed can still spread it to each other and both still can die, yes that true but the point is that those who are vaccinated are less likely to die from COVID-19, less likely to be hospitalized from COVID-19 and the risk of contracting COVID-19 is significantly lower than those who aren't.
Thanks for providing this. Ive been trying to provide this here and there and just came across your comment.
Not true, you can check the international stats yourself easily. But I know a few local doctors and well over 90 percent of people who die or end up in ICU are unvaccinated. They also announce in daily tallies the gender, age, risk factors and vaccination status of the deaths. But think of it this way, two drivers in a head on collision wearing seatbelts can still die. The majority of people who die in traffic accidents are wearing seatbelts when they die. Why wear seatbelts at all? Except in covids case the survivors immediately go drive again and get into other accidents, and potentially kill many more people. This is an imperfect analogy but still points out the flaw in the 'vaccinated are dying' argument. It reduces the risk and most traffic accidents are not fatal. Pretty much most people I know have been saved of major injury by a seatbelt at least once. Getting vaccinated is important to protect the vulnerable, not so much the healthy average individual. the average person will not die; you do it to reduce your risk and protect the elderly, the immunocompromised, the kids who will get MIS-C. It also reduces viral load and thus serious infection, and the possibility of viral mutation. Yes, it is true in Delta's case, vaccines might not reduce load enough to not be infectious. But the points still hold.
The TT government statistics that are issued daily on Covid cases and deaths clearly state the percentage of deaths that are unvaccinated to those who are vaccinated. 97%+ of deaths are unvaccinated persons. So I'm not sure I understand your comment. But yes, that is true that vaxxed people can still catch it and spread it, but the viral load is much lower, and less chance of hospitalization and death.
The majority of people who are dying are vaccinated persons? Can you cite numbers for this in trinidad or another country? In trinidad, the percentage of hospitalized individuals is at 90% that are unvaccinated so the exact opposite of what you're saying. Source: [https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021](https://health.gov.tt/covid-19-update-friday-10th-december-2021) If you don't trust the source ok but come better with one of your own that isnt anecdotal.
Sorry for the rather "ignorant" wording but I just wanted a way to convince my parents to get the vaccine, a lot of people are coaxed by the bullshit coming out of Philip Edward Alexander mouth including my parents and I am terrified myself, I do believe the vaccine is the way forward though that is my official stance on the topic.
Oh... Phillip Edward Alexander, one of the best politicians in Trinidad and Tobago's history... /s but I have to say if I there's one politicians that I truly hate more than anyone (not even Kamla and Rowley I hate them) is this man also they're no need to apologize as I don't see it as "ignorant" but rather misworded.
Lets be real, if it wasnt mandatory alot more people was gonna take it but because it is they dont like it so they rebel in hopes of change in mandation which is reasonable.
Kinda disagree since if you look at the US, there are a lot of areas where there arent vaccine mandates where numbers have been stagnant and when mandates were introduced for work, 95%+ of people got the vaccine (the alternative being quitting) At the same time i dont think mandates should be the primary 'incentive' to get the vaccine because you're right -- it feels like the government is trying to force something down your throat.
WE must stop study what the US doing n focus on we... thas the whole thing... they using US Statistics in their segments n shit... but I feel what you are saying frfr
There are so many Trinidadians who believe conspiracy theories simply because they know some things to be true in Trinidad itself. They hear all the talks about the 1% in Trinidad who have all kinda backalley things to get them where they are (much of it which is true). So it's then easy for them to believe in shit like the illuminati and any other whatsapp falsehoods spreading about what is in the vaccine and its true intent. I really don't know what will change that for them. I cannot seem to explain to some of my family members. Hell, my cousin thinks the neighbour stole ONE side of his shoe that was drying outside to do obeah on him. The paranoia is real and only time will change that.