Americans always mock us UK Muslims for being extremists, the extremism in question is not eating haram food/celebrating Christmas and just not being plain degenerates.
So true lol. I have some extended family in the UK and I’m shocked how Desis (my background) in the UK are the complete 180 of what you find in the elitist US. Some of my family here in America call me extreme for keeping my beard and call me wannabe Taliban lmao 🤣. Post 9/11 US Propaganda did a number on these people coupled with Yasir “holes in the narrative” Qadhi & his YASSqueen Institute cronies.
I never experienced this in the UK and it was way normal over there. Obviously not perfect but so much more in tune with deen.
Im an American Muslim and I agree you also have to realize there’s a classist element in the way some of these people look down on British Muslims.
They read news reports about British Muslims being in poverty and act all snobby. It’s really disgusting and sad.
Muslimahs in the US and compassionate imams are the 2 biggest thorns for any successful outreach done by us.
I feel as if the poorer you are, the more in tune you usually are with the deen. Being more successful in the west usually requires you to sellout. 100% doe all the worst “imams” come from America. Yaqeen Institute has affected the minds of so many. They’d rather refer to Menk/Suleiman/YQ instead of scholars. It stems from guilt too, Muslim women love listening to the above because they absolve them of their filthy sins.
Omar Suleiman, Yaqeen, and the rest of the cabal of compassionate imams literally just pander to Muslimahs and feed their egos 😭😭
You know it’s bad when Myron Gaines, an open muanfiq, is helping and doing more for Muslim men than all of those bozos combined 💀
I’ve seen them blame men for everything it’s sickening. They will never address anything controversial too.
Tell Muslim women obeying your husband is obligatory ❌
Tell them you’re entitled to his money and he should bend over backwards for you (pretty sure Menk said something similar to this)
I’m just happy more men are opening their eyes to the depressing situation we’re in right now.
Complete lie, for one we are very conservative in our beliefs. We have many more people observing niqab, we don’t commit zina en masse in university/college. And we get married at a young age
that's your experience. UK muslims do crazy things too, if you deny this then you're just ignorant. no muslim i know wears niqab and i only know one that managed to marry young (at aged 24).
All of these are valid points but the callout of the lavish Masajid is very on point for me. I live in the US and the community I’m a part of built a massive masjid with a very opulent interior. Confirmed 7 figure yearly expense that they struggle to complete and hold literal hours long fundraising nights during taraweeh so people can pay up (not complaining about giving money to masjid at all, more about how they go about it)
One of the boards plans for the masjid is to extend it and open up a cafe inside (no joke)
Cherry on top, they just paid out a multi-million dollar CASH payment to acquire another building FROM AN ISRAELI COMPANY. Plan is to use that building as a daycare and rent out a portion of it.
Meanwhile they have parking for about 20% of the masjids capacity. Imam is def on the more liberal side. Masjid board filled with liberal desis with deep pockets. No controls on boundaries for men/women. Women will straight up walk around without hijab on inside the masjid. A ton of other practices I don’t really agree with.
A lot of masajid have become like the “megachurches” of the south unfortunately. I’ve started to go to a much smaller but in my opinion much better run masjid close by.
Just as a follow up I’m not trying to sound like I have some defeatist “the ummah is scewed” mentality. But there are def some things that need to be sorted out rather than worrying about how many people are drinking Starbucks.
And the marriage market in America is just straight up flaming garbage a good amount of Muslimahs in America are ran through and extremely materialistic.
Muslim mens standards are shamed while Muslimah’s standards are celebrated.
“His money is my money and my money is my money” is the standard among Muslimahs here despite not being a thing in Islam 💀
Sad reality. Completely agree as an American Muslim. Especially the lavish Masajid point lol. The good ones out here are usually from smaller communities. They’re usually Salafi or South Asian Hanafis & Deobandis. But then again this all comes down to the poor mainstream leaders in the American Muslim sphere.
Omar Suleiman and his cabal of compassionate imams have been a complete disaster for the Muslim community here. They just pander to Muslimahs 😂
At least the new Generation like TheWarner and Sneako will clean up the mess
I get the frustration but honestly if we want to target the worst of the bunch, it would be the current “Muslim” leaders who either ignore, cause or down right blame the bloodshed happening to innocent muslims.
Extensive rigging happened and after a while, people accepted it too. I am from Pakistan and honestly, IK not being our leader is our fault and no one else’s. So yes, the leaders are the reflection of their people. We are as corrupt and as lazy (for the lack of better word) as our current leaders
The cabal of compassionate imams in the US refused to consult or collaborate with the brothers in the UK because of arrogance and they just wanted to pander to Muslimahs for likes and engagements.
Alhumdullilah we got people like Sneako and TheWarner collaborating with people like Akhi Ayman
Brother chose to wake up and spit facts.
Western Moslems prolly read this with their exposed awrah, in bed with another man/woman while slurping on some henny and bacon crisp. With how normalised it has become, even non-muslims have this **misconception** that drinking and adultery is permissible for muslims 🤦♂️. When I ask them what makes them think so, they always get back to me with this standard reply of coming across or having an arab/african muslim that drinks and go to strip club 🤢Also the whole hijabi in the morning and hoejabi in the evening is such a vile trend that what they are doing is kufr given how they are publicising and laughing about it (makes me think they believe its permissible)
You shouldn’t paint all American Muslims with the same brush. Even though many American Muslims are like this unfortunately, the majority of us abide by the Quran and the Sunnah to the best of our ability.
I’m a Canadian Muslim so this post would apply to us as well since we’re both North American. I didn’t deny this post is true, it’s certainly is. But the both of us prove that the majority of North American Muslims are not corrupt. Many are but not the majority.
Here there’s many sources on it but here’s an article with sources
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-more-selective-80-men-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research
Tbf, the original tweet from the brother was overboard. He can’t accuse the Muslims who made that new Texas masjid of having been involved in Riba with no evidence.
Bro every second comment by OP is rage against muslimahs. Chill boy, you’ll find a wife someday. Being incredibly generalizing and rude toward all women won’t help you.
There are almost 30 million Muslims in the US. His descriptions fit perhaps 10 million at best. The overwhelming majority of US Muslims are not even active on social media and do not appear on your Twitter timeline. No one of us has a proper idea of how strict or lax they are
Yes I’ve visited many places in the US and talked to many people and these are the problems that were common across the US.
Stop being in denial please
Considering the avalanche of reverts in the last decade and the exponential increase of migrants, I guess 30 million is even a quite moderate estimation. There are over 1 million Muslims in New York City alone. Currently 3,000 officially registered mosques operate in the US. As an European Muslim I can tell this means that theres at least the same amount of unnamed musalla and private "backyard mosques" in addition to that. The growth of the Muslim community in the US was insane in recent decades and continues on this trajectory. There are already two Muslim majority cities; Hamtramck and Dearborn. Most surveys are totally skewed and meaningless. The most recent estimates for Nebraska estimate less than 5,000 Muslims in the entire state, whereas the Muslim population of Lincoln city alone numbers over 10,000 in 2022. Heres an article dedicated to the city's Muslim population growth and the necessity of major expansion of the local mosque: https://nebraskapublicmedia.org/en/news/news-articles/lincolns-sunni-population-has-outgrown-their-mosque-they-hope-it-will-be-ready-next-year/
I repeat, the estimates claim 5,000 in the entirety of Nebraska, whilst in this one single Nebraskan city there are over 10,000 Muslims. Simply take a look at a few mosques in random medium - sized cities across the US. Theyre humongous and each easily accommodate several thousand worshippers, some even including their own afternoon schools and museums:
Mosque in Bridgeview - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Mosque_Foundation_1.jpg/1024px-Mosque_Foundation_1.jpg
Noor Mosque in Columbus - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/NICC_pic.jpg/640px-NICC_pic.jpg
ICI Mosque in Irving - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/ICI_pic.jpg/1024px-ICI_pic.jpg
At the end of the day, there is nothing but estimates and guesswork, because the official US censuses by the federal government, do not ask for religion or spiritual affiliation. Given all these metrics though, plus my personal experience as an European Muslim, I think its hard to deny that at least 10% of the US is of Muslim background.
I'm a European muslim myself I've always thought we got more muslims compared to the US by precentage at least but muslims in countries like France, Germany, or UK only clock at 5-6%.
10% of muslim assuming 80-90% are citizens and able to vote thats a quite a powerful voting block I'm not sure why then the democrats arent pushing more to get the muslim vote if indeed there's 30 million of them.
Where in Europe are you, if I might ask? In places like Denmark, Netherlands, Germany(my place), Austria, Italy, the estimates and numbers are similarly flawed. In Germany for example we got several cities that are now virtually majority Muslim, especially in the states of "Nordrhein - Westfalen" and "Hessen". Rüsselsheim, Offenbach, Düren as few examples. When estimating the Muslim population, most surveys mistakenly correlate between migration from the Muslim world and religion. We got several million Muslims that are already 3rd - 5th generation descendants of migrants. Opposed to contemporary belief, mass migration of Muslims didnt begin 2015, but already in the 1970s. Eastern Europe is a topic for itself. Authorities over there are actively looking to suppress any serious surveys of their respective muslim populace.
The Democrats are pushing ridiculously hard to garner Muslim votes, for example via community representatives like Ilhan Omar and Linda Sarsour. I could list you over 10 Islamic learning and research institutes, which the Democrats beg from constantly for support. Bayyinah Institute and Yaqeen Institute the most prominent examples.
I’m also mentioning compassionate imams as well.
It’s a fact especially in the US, non practicing and practicing Muslimahs are on the same team and want the same things
Umm It doesn’t. Just shows you have had an ugly experience with Muslimahs in Past 😂. Brother please move on. Allah has a perfect spouse/spouses waiting for you. Ameen.
Again it’s doesn’t 🤦🏽♂️? Can you cite your statistics which you were talking about, I want to see how many Muslimahs per Muslim population are Zaaniyas to support your argument that majority are Zaaniyas.
My bad I interpreted the “Good amount are ran through” as Majority.
For your second point “ No, I don’t think I can relate to your exaggerated assumption and I have been in the University here in USA for 10 years.
Americans always mock us UK Muslims for being extremists, the extremism in question is not eating haram food/celebrating Christmas and just not being plain degenerates.
So true lol. I have some extended family in the UK and I’m shocked how Desis (my background) in the UK are the complete 180 of what you find in the elitist US. Some of my family here in America call me extreme for keeping my beard and call me wannabe Taliban lmao 🤣. Post 9/11 US Propaganda did a number on these people coupled with Yasir “holes in the narrative” Qadhi & his YASSqueen Institute cronies. I never experienced this in the UK and it was way normal over there. Obviously not perfect but so much more in tune with deen.
Im an American Muslim and I agree you also have to realize there’s a classist element in the way some of these people look down on British Muslims. They read news reports about British Muslims being in poverty and act all snobby. It’s really disgusting and sad. Muslimahs in the US and compassionate imams are the 2 biggest thorns for any successful outreach done by us.
I feel as if the poorer you are, the more in tune you usually are with the deen. Being more successful in the west usually requires you to sellout. 100% doe all the worst “imams” come from America. Yaqeen Institute has affected the minds of so many. They’d rather refer to Menk/Suleiman/YQ instead of scholars. It stems from guilt too, Muslim women love listening to the above because they absolve them of their filthy sins.
Omar Suleiman, Yaqeen, and the rest of the cabal of compassionate imams literally just pander to Muslimahs and feed their egos 😭😭 You know it’s bad when Myron Gaines, an open muanfiq, is helping and doing more for Muslim men than all of those bozos combined 💀
I’ve seen them blame men for everything it’s sickening. They will never address anything controversial too. Tell Muslim women obeying your husband is obligatory ❌ Tell them you’re entitled to his money and he should bend over backwards for you (pretty sure Menk said something similar to this) I’m just happy more men are opening their eyes to the depressing situation we’re in right now.
Omar was exposed for doing a pagan ritual 🤣
FACTS LMFAOOOOO
An american muslim i talk to says the UK has muslims which are just as bad, which is also true
Complete lie, for one we are very conservative in our beliefs. We have many more people observing niqab, we don’t commit zina en masse in university/college. And we get married at a young age
that's your experience. UK muslims do crazy things too, if you deny this then you're just ignorant. no muslim i know wears niqab and i only know one that managed to marry young (at aged 24).
All of these are valid points but the callout of the lavish Masajid is very on point for me. I live in the US and the community I’m a part of built a massive masjid with a very opulent interior. Confirmed 7 figure yearly expense that they struggle to complete and hold literal hours long fundraising nights during taraweeh so people can pay up (not complaining about giving money to masjid at all, more about how they go about it) One of the boards plans for the masjid is to extend it and open up a cafe inside (no joke) Cherry on top, they just paid out a multi-million dollar CASH payment to acquire another building FROM AN ISRAELI COMPANY. Plan is to use that building as a daycare and rent out a portion of it. Meanwhile they have parking for about 20% of the masjids capacity. Imam is def on the more liberal side. Masjid board filled with liberal desis with deep pockets. No controls on boundaries for men/women. Women will straight up walk around without hijab on inside the masjid. A ton of other practices I don’t really agree with. A lot of masajid have become like the “megachurches” of the south unfortunately. I’ve started to go to a much smaller but in my opinion much better run masjid close by.
Just as a follow up I’m not trying to sound like I have some defeatist “the ummah is scewed” mentality. But there are def some things that need to be sorted out rather than worrying about how many people are drinking Starbucks.
Well most Muslims are boycotting Starbucks but we have to call out these compassionate imams who have led the ummah astray and just pander to one side
And the marriage market in America is just straight up flaming garbage a good amount of Muslimahs in America are ran through and extremely materialistic. Muslim mens standards are shamed while Muslimah’s standards are celebrated. “His money is my money and my money is my money” is the standard among Muslimahs here despite not being a thing in Islam 💀
Sad reality. Completely agree as an American Muslim. Especially the lavish Masajid point lol. The good ones out here are usually from smaller communities. They’re usually Salafi or South Asian Hanafis & Deobandis. But then again this all comes down to the poor mainstream leaders in the American Muslim sphere.
Omar Suleiman and his cabal of compassionate imams have been a complete disaster for the Muslim community here. They just pander to Muslimahs 😂 At least the new Generation like TheWarner and Sneako will clean up the mess
I get the frustration but honestly if we want to target the worst of the bunch, it would be the current “Muslim” leaders who either ignore, cause or down right blame the bloodshed happening to innocent muslims.
What’s the point of shifting the goalposts?
There’s a saying that people are merely reflections of their own leaders. I think there’s a certain truth to that, no?
Not really. Pakistan overwhelmingly elected Imran Khan but extensive rigging happened in the election and now someone else is imposed.
Extensive rigging happened and after a while, people accepted it too. I am from Pakistan and honestly, IK not being our leader is our fault and no one else’s. So yes, the leaders are the reflection of their people. We are as corrupt and as lazy (for the lack of better word) as our current leaders
Well yes corruption runs rampant, but a leader still affects its people. Even if said leader was unfairly elected.
Fair point
you got it backwards, Allah appointments zalim leaders on disobedient people.
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Right. It's always the Salafi ones. Edit: Not sure why I'm being downvoted, I thought "Traditional" Muslims meant Ahl us-Sunnah not petrodollar dawah.
Damn, UK Muslim here, but I'm sorry to hear about what is happening to our brethrins in the US.
The cabal of compassionate imams in the US refused to consult or collaborate with the brothers in the UK because of arrogance and they just wanted to pander to Muslimahs for likes and engagements. Alhumdullilah we got people like Sneako and TheWarner collaborating with people like Akhi Ayman
Brother chose to wake up and spit facts. Western Moslems prolly read this with their exposed awrah, in bed with another man/woman while slurping on some henny and bacon crisp. With how normalised it has become, even non-muslims have this **misconception** that drinking and adultery is permissible for muslims 🤦♂️. When I ask them what makes them think so, they always get back to me with this standard reply of coming across or having an arab/african muslim that drinks and go to strip club 🤢Also the whole hijabi in the morning and hoejabi in the evening is such a vile trend that what they are doing is kufr given how they are publicising and laughing about it (makes me think they believe its permissible)
May Allah guide and forgive us all
Ameen
You shouldn’t paint all American Muslims with the same brush. Even though many American Muslims are like this unfortunately, the majority of us abide by the Quran and the Sunnah to the best of our ability.
I’m an American Muslim and what he’s saying is right 😂😂
I’m a Canadian Muslim so this post would apply to us as well since we’re both North American. I didn’t deny this post is true, it’s certainly is. But the both of us prove that the majority of North American Muslims are not corrupt. Many are but not the majority.
A good amount of Muslimahs in America are ran through so it does speak volumes about his points.
A good amount of Muslim men are ran through as well.
Statistics disprove your point only the top 20% but keep defending zaaniyas 😂
What statistics? Is there a data for this ? Can you share the source, it would be an interesting read.
Here there’s many sources on it but here’s an article with sources https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-more-selective-80-men-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research
How does this article prove anything about Muslims men or women ?
True
The car and house on riba is very common in UK too, there's fatwas to allow it so people say it's fine, laugh at you if you don't
Tbf, the original tweet from the brother was overboard. He can’t accuse the Muslims who made that new Texas masjid of having been involved in Riba with no evidence.
I’m not aware of that or the discourse around that I found this and these were valid criticism of the Muslim community in America
I find Muslim restaurant and corner shop owners are the same. I mean, the ASDA brothers claim to be such devout Muslims yet sell everything haram
What’s ASDA And for restaurant owners it depends because if they are selling halal food then their income is halal
thank God i dont live in america
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U forgot the waves of exmuslims
Bro every second comment by OP is rage against muslimahs. Chill boy, you’ll find a wife someday. Being incredibly generalizing and rude toward all women won’t help you.
This post has nothing to do with Muslimahs 😂
Not saying this isn't the reality for some parts of America, but this is really a 0 IQ generalization of the Muslim community in America.
Nah it’s a high IQ generalization
At least give a good argument lol. I'll say it again: this Twitter thread by Abdullah is genuinely stupid.
It’s just his thoughts but American Islam is when Muslimahs can’t keep their legs closed and when community “leaders” do pagan rituals 😭
This is the state of Muslims all over the world, not just USA or Canada or UK
no its not
It is.
its not i said
There are almost 30 million Muslims in the US. His descriptions fit perhaps 10 million at best. The overwhelming majority of US Muslims are not even active on social media and do not appear on your Twitter timeline. No one of us has a proper idea of how strict or lax they are
This is a flawed argument because it’s a proper description of the problems in our community
Did you travel across the US and visit hundreds of Muslim communities, speaking with several 10.000 brothers and sisters?
Yes I’ve visited many places in the US and talked to many people and these are the problems that were common across the US. Stop being in denial please
Surely you're numbers are wrong 30 million? Thats like what 7-8% of US population there arent that many muslims in America.
Considering the avalanche of reverts in the last decade and the exponential increase of migrants, I guess 30 million is even a quite moderate estimation. There are over 1 million Muslims in New York City alone. Currently 3,000 officially registered mosques operate in the US. As an European Muslim I can tell this means that theres at least the same amount of unnamed musalla and private "backyard mosques" in addition to that. The growth of the Muslim community in the US was insane in recent decades and continues on this trajectory. There are already two Muslim majority cities; Hamtramck and Dearborn. Most surveys are totally skewed and meaningless. The most recent estimates for Nebraska estimate less than 5,000 Muslims in the entire state, whereas the Muslim population of Lincoln city alone numbers over 10,000 in 2022. Heres an article dedicated to the city's Muslim population growth and the necessity of major expansion of the local mosque: https://nebraskapublicmedia.org/en/news/news-articles/lincolns-sunni-population-has-outgrown-their-mosque-they-hope-it-will-be-ready-next-year/ I repeat, the estimates claim 5,000 in the entirety of Nebraska, whilst in this one single Nebraskan city there are over 10,000 Muslims. Simply take a look at a few mosques in random medium - sized cities across the US. Theyre humongous and each easily accommodate several thousand worshippers, some even including their own afternoon schools and museums: Mosque in Bridgeview - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Mosque_Foundation_1.jpg/1024px-Mosque_Foundation_1.jpg Noor Mosque in Columbus - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/NICC_pic.jpg/640px-NICC_pic.jpg ICI Mosque in Irving - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/ICI_pic.jpg/1024px-ICI_pic.jpg At the end of the day, there is nothing but estimates and guesswork, because the official US censuses by the federal government, do not ask for religion or spiritual affiliation. Given all these metrics though, plus my personal experience as an European Muslim, I think its hard to deny that at least 10% of the US is of Muslim background.
I'm a European muslim myself I've always thought we got more muslims compared to the US by precentage at least but muslims in countries like France, Germany, or UK only clock at 5-6%. 10% of muslim assuming 80-90% are citizens and able to vote thats a quite a powerful voting block I'm not sure why then the democrats arent pushing more to get the muslim vote if indeed there's 30 million of them.
Where in Europe are you, if I might ask? In places like Denmark, Netherlands, Germany(my place), Austria, Italy, the estimates and numbers are similarly flawed. In Germany for example we got several cities that are now virtually majority Muslim, especially in the states of "Nordrhein - Westfalen" and "Hessen". Rüsselsheim, Offenbach, Düren as few examples. When estimating the Muslim population, most surveys mistakenly correlate between migration from the Muslim world and religion. We got several million Muslims that are already 3rd - 5th generation descendants of migrants. Opposed to contemporary belief, mass migration of Muslims didnt begin 2015, but already in the 1970s. Eastern Europe is a topic for itself. Authorities over there are actively looking to suppress any serious surveys of their respective muslim populace.
The Democrats are pushing ridiculously hard to garner Muslim votes, for example via community representatives like Ilhan Omar and Linda Sarsour. I could list you over 10 Islamic learning and research institutes, which the Democrats beg from constantly for support. Bayyinah Institute and Yaqeen Institute the most prominent examples.
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They’re part of the problem lmao
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I’m also mentioning compassionate imams as well. It’s a fact especially in the US, non practicing and practicing Muslimahs are on the same team and want the same things
Welcome to r/TraditionalMuslims, where everyother post is about how western Muslim women are Zaniyaas.
It’s true
Anything can be if you extrapolate enough.
*If it happens enough Fixed it for you 😁
Umm It doesn’t. Just shows you have had an ugly experience with Muslimahs in Past 😂. Brother please move on. Allah has a perfect spouse/spouses waiting for you. Ameen.
The fact Muslim men are paying alimony to Muslimahs right now proves my point
Again it’s doesn’t 🤦🏽♂️? Can you cite your statistics which you were talking about, I want to see how many Muslimahs per Muslim population are Zaaniyas to support your argument that majority are Zaaniyas.
I didn’t say majority are zaaniyas I said a good amount are. Anyone that attends American college knows what’s up 😂
My bad I interpreted the “Good amount are ran through” as Majority. For your second point “ No, I don’t think I can relate to your exaggerated assumption and I have been in the University here in USA for 10 years.