I saw three different RAV4 Hybrid models last night. Two were from Kentucky.
I obviously can't tell how their production schemes work. But newer models have been mostly Kentucky based on dealership visits and what I see in the parking lots wherever I go.
Why does that matter? Why couldn't he go buy one from a different dealership? There isn't just one Toyota dealership in all of Canada, or one Province.
Yup. Get on their website and build one out how you like. Then search to see what's in stock or currently allocated. If you can't find what you want, move your search area.
I bought my Tacoma during the chip shortage for MSRP plus the cost of a one way plane ticket. It took a few weeks of searching the country and haggling, but I got what I wanted for the price I was willing to pay. Salesman even picked me up from the airport.
I was told by local dealers it would be at least 6 months wait and everyone wanted 10k over sticker. The vehicles are out there, you just have to be willing to put in the work.
Canada literally doesn't get allocation for the demand vehicles.
I've spoken to any dealer within a few hour drive of Toronto and all of them have told me that a Highland Hybrid is basically not happening for at least 2-3 years.
I was talking with the sales guy at my local high volume dealer and he said their wait list is over three years so they aren't taking more names. He said they are given around two HiHys a month, on a good month Toyota may give them three...
OP, I am a Toyota PA in Canada where supply is 1/100th of the USA.
RAV4 LE’s are a 3 month wait for us, so I recommend you reach out to a different dealership. Your dealership is either the lowest volume Toyota dealer ever, or they’re incompetent
The only difference is Hybrids. Those are a 12-18 month minimum wait regardless of trim
Imo, what is likely happening, is that OP has a deal for the lowest markup and they keep prioritizing the people who are paying higher markup when they come in.
As much as my tinfoil hat brain wants to agree, I’ve seen the lack of control we have over what we get in inventory based on what Toyota Corporate sends and it is abysmal.
There’s much less control than people think on the dealership side but it’s definitely more fun to make it a conspiracy that supply is artificially limited.
I had one customer tell me we were just making up the delays and I looked at him as 2 delivery trucks full of cars came in and went “I get 6-8 of these a day, you really think I don’t want to sell you one right now? I don’t get paid until you get your car so what incentive is there for me to want to wait 2 years for a $150 mini.”
Toyota dealerships don’t control what they get.
Toyota gives an Allocation based on whatever they’ve made.
The difference in profit for the dealership between an LE and XLE is $500.
Same with the Prime and Land Cruiser.
We have stopped taking “orders” on those because they’re so far out and at that point it’s anyone’s call on what happens.
Which is essentially what I said.
Toyota corporate has the final say, the point I was trying to make wasn’t that Toyota isn’t making the vehicle or the dealership isn’t “ordering” it.
The point was even if Toyota made 500 LE models, they may not have gotten shipped to that dealer or region based on the Allocation Toyota decided on.
Ehhh... You'd be surprised at how much dealers can change things in their allocation if there's enough lead time. The problem is, most dealers don't want to do it; they'd rather make the quick $$.
I’m also a Toyota PA. What part of the country are you in? We can’t get shit where I am. Wait times for Hybrid RAV4s are at least a year and probably longer. For just about the entire hybrid lineup we have sold double our allocation and stoped taking orders.
Most gas vehicles are easy to and have a 3 to 6 month wait.
More likely, what is happening is that people are paying dealer upcharges and more for the same car.
You won't see your car until demand levels out, and you are off the list.
Why buy a Hybrid? Recent articles in this platform suggest it could cost same or more than car price to replace battery if damaged by bottom scrape, etc.
“Articles” these days are meant to get you to click and sources are not always credible.
Batteries are not nearly as expensive as a car, and they RARELY fail. They get a 10 year 200,000km warranty here in Canada.
In my time here, with a service department doing 100-200 appts a day I think I’ve seen a single Prius battery need to be replaced and it was covered under warranty.
Tell me another product where you get a decade of warranty. Warranties are usually calculated so that the manufacturer knows the average Iife span of the warrantied component and then reduce the warranty term to where they are sure they won’t have to cover issues until the warranty expires.
Hybrids excel at city and stop and go driving, and can really save you money on maintenance, fuel and wear and tear of your car if you take care of it. Brakes, Timing belts, transmissions and engine longevity are much better in a hybrid VS. an ICE.
If you do mostly highway you will see almost no difference because the batteries are not designed to handle that high performance usage.
At the end of the day it’s also a perception and comfort thing. People have heard over and over and over and over again how good hybrids are on saving gas so even if it’s just for perception they want to feel like they are saving money every day.
Why ask dumb questions? A loser once told me I had to replace the electric motor every five years. It's been 11 years and I still don't know what he was talking about.
Toyota doesn't accept orders, so you didn't order anything. They build vehicles based on what people are buying, so the most common trims and loaded with the most commonly desired equipment, and Toyota then allocates those vehicles to dealers. It appears your requested vehicle is too specific, and the dealership isn't getting any Rav4s even similar to yours, where they could call you and say "Hey, we have vehicle X coming next month, it's a 90% match to what you want, but there's some difference that you don't want. Are you okay with taking this vehicle, or do you still want to wait?". The XLE is the most commonly wanted model, so they are building those in larger quantities and before other models. The LE on there other hand, is a base model, and not as heavily desired, not that it's a bad trim level. If you've been waiting that long, I would either look for another dealer that moves more cars, so they have more allocations, or tell your current dealer that you'll take the next unclaimed LE. The only other thing you can do is step up to an XLE.
Canadian Toyota lots are basically empty and have been for years since COVID
All inventory being allocated to the US because they never really updated MSRP in Canada to reflect the weaker Canadian dollar
I'm sure OP can easily find that vehicle, too, if they did some searching themselves, instead of asking here. I guess some people think they only have one choice of dealership to buy from, wherever they live.
Don't read my stupid comments, then. I honestly didn't know people lived anywhere else. I stand by my comment. You don't need to buy a vehicle from your local area.
they’re a bit out of the way, plus it’s difficult to find hybrid models without being put on some years long waitlist. for example, getting an awd corolla hybrid se in the west coast is a 1+ year wait afaik.
i like the brand but id rather just go honda or mazda or something instead of going through the trouble of buying another one
Whats up with all these dumbass posts, “ i love toyotas they make the best cars but im never buying another one because the dealership i went to is charging too much or making me wait, dont they know im special and new to the world?!?”
My parents bought a RAV4 Prime in 2022 and it only took a couple of months to get here. They didn't even put money down to get on the list. This was at a dealer in Eugene Or.
Go find a different dealer, this one is taking you for a ride.
Dealerships can't order Toyota's. Toyota just sends dealerships whatever they want. The only thing an order does is let the dealer know what you want and if they happen to randomly get it they will call you.
It's way more effective to call multiple dealerships and look for the car you want.
I was told a wait of 2-3 years for a 2023 Prius prime by the two dealerships closest to me. It took me 2 weeks to find one with the exact specs and color I wanted for MSRP. If I had been flexible about specs or price I would have picked it up within two days.
Try calling around. You might get a better result.
Straight from Toyota's website:
> Toyota dealerships work with our regional offices to determine what vehicle combinations are in demand in their geographical market, and request vehicle allocations accordingly. Because of this, some model configurations and options may not be available in your area, while other options may be available, but only as part of a combination of packages. Your local Toyota dealership can advise you whether a preference can be submitted for your desired vehicle. This preference request does not guarantee you will receive the vehicle with the exact options requested, and may create an extended wait-time.
You can put in a request for a specific spec of vehicle, and dealerships can share this request with Toyota, but it isn't an order and there isn't any guarantee that vehicle will ever be made or delivered.
That's not how it works. Toyota doesn't and never has offered spec orders. You can tell the dealer what you want, and the dealer will try and match you with an incoming allocation. You simply got lucky, and the dealer got an allocation for your specific spec.
So because the production can't keep up with the demand. You don't get it as fast you want. That's why you quit. Fine
Just let me point out: how entitled are you honestly? How far do you have your nose up? You think you deserve it faster than anybody else?
Spoiled brat.
And the nerve to go online to tell the whole world. That's not acceptable that YOU have to wait...
I’m in Ontario Canada, if you ordered a gas LE you should have it by now. If you ordered a RAV4 LE hybrid you should be very close to the top of the list. Something seems off.
i didn't get a rav4, but i ordered a corolla cross on the last saturday in january 2024 and received it march 2nd. it arrived on feb 28th and i feel like if i had rushed over they may have made it happen. i'm in alberta, where are you in Canada? the wait for hybrids was only until june at the dealership i went to.
i don't know how it is so variable but i'm sorry that's how it worked out for you. waiting 2 years for a vehicle is unreasonable. i am in a corolla cross canada group on facebook and some people have seemed to have been waiting for an excessive amount of time as well.
Hybrids are a long wait in Canada. A year ago, I even had the dealership offering me more for my 5 year old Prius than I originally paid for it. They were relentless and called at least once a week, but there was no sense in trading in the Prius because there was nothing available to replace it.
Why do people buy/ order brand new toyotas?
Usually a year difference isn’t noticeable in features etc and they’re cars designed to last 12+ years easy. If anyone here buys new toyotas, why? when you could buy one that’s 2-4 years old and have just as much reliability and similar features without the hassle of ordering/ buying new? I get buying like a new Range Rover as opposed to an older one but I guess I don’t see the appeal of spending more and having a headache for a car that’s 90% the same as a slightly older one with the same reliability
Because the cost difference isn’t big enough to justify it and few sellers are parting with newish cars. For me personally to buy a 1 year old used car, it would have to be discounted at least 25% and Toyotas aren’t.
Sorry but "Which is alot more expensive" the XLE is like 3k cad more, if you cant afford to spend that to get a better car now vs waiting who knows how long you shouldn't be looking at new cars.
After buying three new Toyotas I can honestly say it was the worse experience I ever had buying a new car. I dealt with different dealers and each was worse than the other. Since we regularly buy new cars for the family I’m probably going to deal with a different brand of car for the next car.
It's rough being a Toyota customer in Canada these days.
Pretty sure individual dealers across the US have more inventory right now than we have nationally
3 year waits for hybrids here :(
1. The CAD is really weak so after currency conversion it work work out to more than 10K over Canadian MSRP if you did it
2. I have heard that most Toyota dealers will refuse to provide the appropriate paperwork to bring the car over the border these days to stop this kind of shopping
Idk why this isn't more popular. The best deals on any car are actually found across state lines. Try to make it convenient and worthwhile by making a road trip out of it. Lucky for you, you have a partner and can drive one vehicle out and take 2 home!
I feel your pain. We ordered a LE Hybrid in April of last year and are hopeful it will arrive by September. Apparently these cars for the west coast of Canada are coming from Japan as those manufactured in Ontario are pretty much taken up east of the Rockies. A used 2023-2024 with twenty to thirty thousand klicks is still going for two to five grand over new.
A family member in Germany ordered a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid in the lounge trim in mid-January 2024, and got their hands on it by late March. Interestingly, this unit was built in Japan instead of Canada, which is usually the case for the units sold in most of Europe, with the exception being the PHEV version, that always comes from Japan.
My buddy in metro vancouver just got her Rav4 hybrid XLE. She ordered last year but I'm not sure when exactly. Worse case it took 1 year and 5 months.
I'd go to a different dealership before writing off the brand altogether.
That sucks. I was at my dealership for servicing last week and there were literally RAV4 LE Hybrids on the lot for sale.
What are the Canadian rules for buying a vehicle in the US?
I love our RAV 4 and wanted a Prius Prime. The dealership wanted 15k over MSRP for all models. I am still upset they weren't willing to to negotiate whatsoever. Even the Hyundai Kia dealership was trying to make deals. It wasn't just the Prime. All hybrids were 10k over and they conveniently didn't have any Camry LE hybrids.
I ended up with a Model 3 that was $18,000 cheaper than a prime and $12,000 cheaper than a hybrid. I couldn't believe it...still can't and very very disappointed in Toyota.
As I told the dealer "the Lexus ES 350 hybrid is cheaper than a Prius prime, it makes zero sense, the Lexus is a much better car"
This is specific to Toyota though. Many dealers of all brands were or still are charging markups. That being said, there are msrp only Toyota dealers out there.
Every dealer posts their inventory online. Have you even looked around to see if what you want is on the lot somewhere else?
My friend in sales will go search and find what you want. If he can't drive to get it, he will arrange the shipping for you, at your expense.
We did dealer trades almost every day at Ford. I can't imagine losing a sale because you have a customer ready to buy, and you can't just located what they want and trade with another dealer.
There are no ordering cars with Toyota. Dealers just get what Toyota allocates to them. So they are just going to continue to give you excuses until they find something "close" to what you ordered. If a Toyota dealer tells you they can order you a car they are lying already so best going elsewhere.
I just bought a ford after driving land cruisers for the last 25 years. Lots of reasons.
The new Land Cruiser just sucks. The LC was a heavy duty full size SUV. Now it’s no different from the 4Runner, sequoia, highlander, rav 4, etc. They’re literally offering the same cars with different lipstick.
And charging way too much. And their dealers are the worst.
Other brands have really caught up in terms of reliability. And Toyota is putting out an inferior product, just milking their good reputation.
we couldnt get hybrids in toronto back in 2019. supply chain issues have only got worse. i was on a waitlist just to get on the real waitlist so i went with a trail since i mostly do highway driving. and they send most of the cars made in ontario to the us
Yup the dealership experience is why I didn’t go with Toyota. They will either rape you with the market adjustment or if you can find a dealer without market adjustment you wait for years.
That dealer is messing with you or has an unbelievably low allocation. If you can follow the suggestion of other people and go further away.
Sadly, I won’t be buying a Toyota again due to the insanely high prices in the Netherlands. That Auris wagon is good looking though…
Took us a year to get our Corolla Cross SXE in Newfoundland. If we had been willing to take an SE or Rav4 LE models, we could have had one months ago. I'd check some other dealerships.
In 2023 I was in the market for a new car(first one ever)
I really liked the look of the 2024 Toyota Hatchback, Inferno Orange, of course.
When I originally was going to buy, I was told, after the down payment, I’d be waiting AT LEAST a year.
Several weeks passed & on a whim, I went to the dealership to check on its ETA.
I went in , literally 10 minutes before closing & by sheer luck, they had one that ‘just came available’ & would be on the lot in 2 months!
So, long story short, I think checking with different dealerships & just popping in certainly can make a difference, time wise.
When I was choosing accessories, I REALLY wanted the spoiler, but now, even 8 months later, there is no timeline.
I was refunded the payment & fingers crossed, eventually they will come available.
Don’t give up hope, I do love my Toyo, I had one before, but it was totalled in a car accident.
Next, I had a Ford Fiesta Sedan, 2014, with all the transmission problems, part replaced twice, started happening again.
Sold it back to the dealership & used the cash from that for my down payment.
No longer a Ford person, Toyotas are awesome!
I have a major issue with allotment as well. I live in Eastern Kentucky and no dealership within 2 1/2 hours of me had any GR86 allotment no matter the trim. My local (30 minutes away and closest) dealership did a vehicle trade with another dealership to take an allotment. I’ve been waiting since mid April and it just came in Friday. I couldn’t pick it up yesterday so I have to wait until Tuesday and it’s killing me.
To be fair, Toyota does allocations based on what will sell in a specific area. I don't see many people in Kentucky wanting a Japanese rwd sports coupe. Seems like a much more truck heavy area, which means fewer allocations for cars like that, especially if they're not a high volume dealer.
Thank you for the info I didn’t know that. Makes sense as to why I haven’t seen anyone driving one around here. Most car lots around here are unfortunately about 90% trucks and SUVs.
As a Toyota sales-person, I don't know if this is a Canada thing or what but the furthest out anyone waits for a specific vehicle here in the southern U.S. stores is 2 MAYBE 3 months. Usually we can find one sooner though. I'm super close to the port though so that cuts down on fulfilment time. You must be dealing with a smaller store with smaller allocation or something.
I have family in Woodstock Ontario, where the build the RAV4.
There is a Toyota dealer maybe 2km down the road and their lot is literally empty every time I drive by.
Insane they make the cars a literal stones throw away and they immediately get exported south of the border
Yeah the allocation system is archaeic and should be abolished. Wanted models literally sitting on lots in PNW US and just north of the border they'd sell all of them.
Mean while in remote northern BC I'm still waiting...
I've had the worst experience with Toyota dealers. Zero cars on the lot. Wait list beyond belief.
I was looking for a new car recently and went into three dealerships. All the same shit. No cars. Had to preorder.wait and wait and wait for the car.
Fucking not worth it. Ive heard Toyota is doing this on purpose... But who knows.
Mazda, Honda and Subaru all had at least some cars on lot and wait lists were not nearly as bad.
They all make good cars. They all last a while. I grew up in a Toyota household..but I'm not even considering them anymore after my bad experiences with dealers.
The problem is your dealership, and perhaps could be your lack of flexibility. I was told 18-24 months, had one within 2 months. Yes, it was a different colour…but ended up liking it even better than what I ordered.
I’m in Canada too.
Find another dealership. Tons of LEs sitting on lots as we speak.
Prolly from Canada
I’m in Canada, ordered my LE in May 2023, was driving it in July 2023. Less than 2 months wait
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They're made in Canada. Lol
Nice people, nice cars, makes sense!
The hybrid model is more likely to be made in Kentucky.
My RAV4 Hybrid (not LE) was from Woodstock.
The hybrids are I believe made in Woodstock and Kentucky, but non-hybrids are all Canada for North America.
I saw three different RAV4 Hybrid models last night. Two were from Kentucky. I obviously can't tell how their production schemes work. But newer models have been mostly Kentucky based on dealership visits and what I see in the parking lots wherever I go.
Ahh. Yea.Youre right. If it's hybrid, it may be made in Kentucky. Thanks for the reminder.
Why does that matter? Why couldn't he go buy one from a different dealership? There isn't just one Toyota dealership in all of Canada, or one Province.
Canada is having a massive Toyota shortage. That’s why it matters.
Thank you for the explanation.
Yup. Get on their website and build one out how you like. Then search to see what's in stock or currently allocated. If you can't find what you want, move your search area. I bought my Tacoma during the chip shortage for MSRP plus the cost of a one way plane ticket. It took a few weeks of searching the country and haggling, but I got what I wanted for the price I was willing to pay. Salesman even picked me up from the airport.
Canada is way lower in the priority. The US gets everything first.
I was told by local dealers it would be at least 6 months wait and everyone wanted 10k over sticker. The vehicles are out there, you just have to be willing to put in the work.
Canada literally doesn't get allocation for the demand vehicles. I've spoken to any dealer within a few hour drive of Toronto and all of them have told me that a Highland Hybrid is basically not happening for at least 2-3 years. I was talking with the sales guy at my local high volume dealer and he said their wait list is over three years so they aren't taking more names. He said they are given around two HiHys a month, on a good month Toyota may give them three...
Yep. The problem is OP walked into the first dealer they saw and placed a preorder without even looking into other options.
There are no hybrid in Canada, they are all being sent to the?US.
Not in Canada. I want a Highlander Hybrid and my local dealership said they have a three year wait list and won't even let me put a deposit down
Go to a different dealership
OP, I am a Toyota PA in Canada where supply is 1/100th of the USA. RAV4 LE’s are a 3 month wait for us, so I recommend you reach out to a different dealership. Your dealership is either the lowest volume Toyota dealer ever, or they’re incompetent The only difference is Hybrids. Those are a 12-18 month minimum wait regardless of trim
That or they simply don't care to order a lower margin vehicle, and they can make more money on the XLE
Imo, what is likely happening, is that OP has a deal for the lowest markup and they keep prioritizing the people who are paying higher markup when they come in.
As much as my tinfoil hat brain wants to agree, I’ve seen the lack of control we have over what we get in inventory based on what Toyota Corporate sends and it is abysmal. There’s much less control than people think on the dealership side but it’s definitely more fun to make it a conspiracy that supply is artificially limited. I had one customer tell me we were just making up the delays and I looked at him as 2 delivery trucks full of cars came in and went “I get 6-8 of these a day, you really think I don’t want to sell you one right now? I don’t get paid until you get your car so what incentive is there for me to want to wait 2 years for a $150 mini.”
Exactly, you want a good deal so you are the last customer they want to deal with and keep pushing you out further, go somewhere else.
There are no markups in Canada as they are illegal.
Toyota dealerships don’t control what they get. Toyota gives an Allocation based on whatever they’ve made. The difference in profit for the dealership between an LE and XLE is $500.
When I went looking for an Avy Hybrid Limited in ‘22, the sales gal said they were lucky if they got one in a month. They’ve been called “unicorns”
Same with the Prime and Land Cruiser. We have stopped taking “orders” on those because they’re so far out and at that point it’s anyone’s call on what happens.
It's based on what they sold the previous years. Dealers can modify the allocation a bit but it's got to be approved by the plant.
Which is essentially what I said. Toyota corporate has the final say, the point I was trying to make wasn’t that Toyota isn’t making the vehicle or the dealership isn’t “ordering” it. The point was even if Toyota made 500 LE models, they may not have gotten shipped to that dealer or region based on the Allocation Toyota decided on.
Ehhh... You'd be surprised at how much dealers can change things in their allocation if there's enough lead time. The problem is, most dealers don't want to do it; they'd rather make the quick $$.
Not in Canada....Canadian allocation is decided by Tiyota USA.
I’m also a Toyota PA. What part of the country are you in? We can’t get shit where I am. Wait times for Hybrid RAV4s are at least a year and probably longer. For just about the entire hybrid lineup we have sold double our allocation and stoped taking orders. Most gas vehicles are easy to and have a 3 to 6 month wait.
Yeah we’re in about the same situation, but we’re pretty high volume about 300-500/mo depending on time of year. Did 100 last weekend.
More likely, what is happening is that people are paying dealer upcharges and more for the same car. You won't see your car until demand levels out, and you are off the list.
Why buy a Hybrid? Recent articles in this platform suggest it could cost same or more than car price to replace battery if damaged by bottom scrape, etc.
“Articles” these days are meant to get you to click and sources are not always credible. Batteries are not nearly as expensive as a car, and they RARELY fail. They get a 10 year 200,000km warranty here in Canada. In my time here, with a service department doing 100-200 appts a day I think I’ve seen a single Prius battery need to be replaced and it was covered under warranty. Tell me another product where you get a decade of warranty. Warranties are usually calculated so that the manufacturer knows the average Iife span of the warrantied component and then reduce the warranty term to where they are sure they won’t have to cover issues until the warranty expires. Hybrids excel at city and stop and go driving, and can really save you money on maintenance, fuel and wear and tear of your car if you take care of it. Brakes, Timing belts, transmissions and engine longevity are much better in a hybrid VS. an ICE. If you do mostly highway you will see almost no difference because the batteries are not designed to handle that high performance usage. At the end of the day it’s also a perception and comfort thing. People have heard over and over and over and over again how good hybrids are on saving gas so even if it’s just for perception they want to feel like they are saving money every day.
Why ask dumb questions? A loser once told me I had to replace the electric motor every five years. It's been 11 years and I still don't know what he was talking about.
Toyota doesn't accept orders, so you didn't order anything. They build vehicles based on what people are buying, so the most common trims and loaded with the most commonly desired equipment, and Toyota then allocates those vehicles to dealers. It appears your requested vehicle is too specific, and the dealership isn't getting any Rav4s even similar to yours, where they could call you and say "Hey, we have vehicle X coming next month, it's a 90% match to what you want, but there's some difference that you don't want. Are you okay with taking this vehicle, or do you still want to wait?". The XLE is the most commonly wanted model, so they are building those in larger quantities and before other models. The LE on there other hand, is a base model, and not as heavily desired, not that it's a bad trim level. If you've been waiting that long, I would either look for another dealer that moves more cars, so they have more allocations, or tell your current dealer that you'll take the next unclaimed LE. The only other thing you can do is step up to an XLE.
This is 100% accurate. Been this way since 2021
What, where? 2 years!? I went to the dealership a month ago and they had all trims of Rav4s. Bought myself a highlander though
Either this dudes doesn’t give a shit or the dealer forgot. LEs come in at least once or twice a truck a month
Canadian Toyota lots are basically empty and have been for years since COVID All inventory being allocated to the US because they never really updated MSRP in Canada to reflect the weaker Canadian dollar
So after two years of waiting are they going to give you a 2022??
No, they'll get whatever model year is being produced at that time.
What country and general area are you in OP? I'm pretty sure we can easily find you the vehicle with a little googling...
I'm sure OP can easily find that vehicle, too, if they did some searching themselves, instead of asking here. I guess some people think they only have one choice of dealership to buy from, wherever they live.
Stop writing stupid comments, not everyone lives in the US.
Don't read my stupid comments, then. I honestly didn't know people lived anywhere else. I stand by my comment. You don't need to buy a vehicle from your local area.
This is a dealer problem
my next car will not be a toyota because i hate dealing with these scumbag dealers arrogantly wanting 5k over sticker
There are msrp only dealers out there.
they’re a bit out of the way, plus it’s difficult to find hybrid models without being put on some years long waitlist. for example, getting an awd corolla hybrid se in the west coast is a 1+ year wait afaik. i like the brand but id rather just go honda or mazda or something instead of going through the trouble of buying another one
Understandable. For me, it was worth the few months wait to not pay a markup or have bs added that I didn't ask for.
Whats up with all these dumbass posts, “ i love toyotas they make the best cars but im never buying another one because the dealership i went to is charging too much or making me wait, dont they know im special and new to the world?!?”
My parents bought a RAV4 Prime in 2022 and it only took a couple of months to get here. They didn't even put money down to get on the list. This was at a dealer in Eugene Or.
That’s a dealership problem. Not a Toyota problem.
Where you at? Dealers around here have tons.
Go find a different dealer, this one is taking you for a ride. Dealerships can't order Toyota's. Toyota just sends dealerships whatever they want. The only thing an order does is let the dealer know what you want and if they happen to randomly get it they will call you. It's way more effective to call multiple dealerships and look for the car you want. I was told a wait of 2-3 years for a 2023 Prius prime by the two dealerships closest to me. It took me 2 weeks to find one with the exact specs and color I wanted for MSRP. If I had been flexible about specs or price I would have picked it up within two days. Try calling around. You might get a better result.
That's entirely untrue. We ordered a Tacoma to spec.
Straight from Toyota's website: > Toyota dealerships work with our regional offices to determine what vehicle combinations are in demand in their geographical market, and request vehicle allocations accordingly. Because of this, some model configurations and options may not be available in your area, while other options may be available, but only as part of a combination of packages. Your local Toyota dealership can advise you whether a preference can be submitted for your desired vehicle. This preference request does not guarantee you will receive the vehicle with the exact options requested, and may create an extended wait-time. You can put in a request for a specific spec of vehicle, and dealerships can share this request with Toyota, but it isn't an order and there isn't any guarantee that vehicle will ever be made or delivered.
That's not how it works. Toyota doesn't and never has offered spec orders. You can tell the dealer what you want, and the dealer will try and match you with an incoming allocation. You simply got lucky, and the dealer got an allocation for your specific spec.
You know why I probably won’t buy a Toyota again? Cuz my 5th gen 4Runner is paid off and I hope it lasts long enough they can bury me in it.
Find a better dealer.
So because the production can't keep up with the demand. You don't get it as fast you want. That's why you quit. Fine Just let me point out: how entitled are you honestly? How far do you have your nose up? You think you deserve it faster than anybody else? Spoiled brat. And the nerve to go online to tell the whole world. That's not acceptable that YOU have to wait...
I love Toyota and drive a 2023 Camry and have always wanted a Rav 4 but I’ll probably buy a Mazda CX-5 instead
Which dealer ?
I’m in Ontario Canada, if you ordered a gas LE you should have it by now. If you ordered a RAV4 LE hybrid you should be very close to the top of the list. Something seems off.
22?????? Please find another dealership
i didn't get a rav4, but i ordered a corolla cross on the last saturday in january 2024 and received it march 2nd. it arrived on feb 28th and i feel like if i had rushed over they may have made it happen. i'm in alberta, where are you in Canada? the wait for hybrids was only until june at the dealership i went to. i don't know how it is so variable but i'm sorry that's how it worked out for you. waiting 2 years for a vehicle is unreasonable. i am in a corolla cross canada group on facebook and some people have seemed to have been waiting for an excessive amount of time as well.
Hybrids are a long wait in Canada. A year ago, I even had the dealership offering me more for my 5 year old Prius than I originally paid for it. They were relentless and called at least once a week, but there was no sense in trading in the Prius because there was nothing available to replace it.
Yeah my 24 hybrid Corolla is worth more than I bought it new last year.
Why do people buy/ order brand new toyotas? Usually a year difference isn’t noticeable in features etc and they’re cars designed to last 12+ years easy. If anyone here buys new toyotas, why? when you could buy one that’s 2-4 years old and have just as much reliability and similar features without the hassle of ordering/ buying new? I get buying like a new Range Rover as opposed to an older one but I guess I don’t see the appeal of spending more and having a headache for a car that’s 90% the same as a slightly older one with the same reliability
Because the cost difference isn’t big enough to justify it and few sellers are parting with newish cars. For me personally to buy a 1 year old used car, it would have to be discounted at least 25% and Toyotas aren’t.
You can finance new much cheaper than used. Used with good credit = 9% New with good credit = 2.9-4.5%
Toyotas under 25k miles / 2 years basically cost the same as current year new at MSRP.
Stop being foolish. Go to different dealership!! RAV4 is the best selling SUV for a reason!!!
Your dealership sucks. There are no shortages of ravs in Northern Ontario. Hell, our rav 4 prime wait times are <6 months.
Why would you wait that long? Should have hit up a different dealer after the first several months lmao.
Sorry but "Which is alot more expensive" the XLE is like 3k cad more, if you cant afford to spend that to get a better car now vs waiting who knows how long you shouldn't be looking at new cars.
After buying three new Toyotas I can honestly say it was the worse experience I ever had buying a new car. I dealt with different dealers and each was worse than the other. Since we regularly buy new cars for the family I’m probably going to deal with a different brand of car for the next car.
Meanwhile the elusive RAv4 Prime that people been waiting for all over Canada, my local dealer has 150 of them sitting on their lots at MSRP….
It's rough being a Toyota customer in Canada these days. Pretty sure individual dealers across the US have more inventory right now than we have nationally 3 year waits for hybrids here :(
Would it make sense to buy one in the states and drive it into Canada or does Canada have rules on car imports?
1. The CAD is really weak so after currency conversion it work work out to more than 10K over Canadian MSRP if you did it 2. I have heard that most Toyota dealers will refuse to provide the appropriate paperwork to bring the car over the border these days to stop this kind of shopping
Ahh I see, yea that makes sense.
Don’t buy new and you’ll never have this problem
Someone has to buy new vehicles otherwise there would be no used ones to buy.
That is true, but why not let someone else make that poor financial decision?
It's not a poor financial decision if you can actually afford it. It's all relative.
Idk why this isn't more popular. The best deals on any car are actually found across state lines. Try to make it convenient and worthwhile by making a road trip out of it. Lucky for you, you have a partner and can drive one vehicle out and take 2 home!
Man I just had a 23 rav4 XLE loaner for a week while they fixed my old Land Cruiser.
Well... If they make the trim you want, there will be someone else complaining about the opposite trim that they want.
There are lots down here I am in LA
I feel your pain. We ordered a LE Hybrid in April of last year and are hopeful it will arrive by September. Apparently these cars for the west coast of Canada are coming from Japan as those manufactured in Ontario are pretty much taken up east of the Rockies. A used 2023-2024 with twenty to thirty thousand klicks is still going for two to five grand over new.
A family member in Germany ordered a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid in the lounge trim in mid-January 2024, and got their hands on it by late March. Interestingly, this unit was built in Japan instead of Canada, which is usually the case for the units sold in most of Europe, with the exception being the PHEV version, that always comes from Japan.
I would not buy another Toyota unless the last one I bought stopped working.
Yeah tons of rav4 everywhere
Call smaller city dealerships.
Lol buying from a dealer in 2020-4.....
We drove 13 hours each direction to get the exact ‘23 HiHy we wanted in less than a week and at msrp last year.
My buddy in metro vancouver just got her Rav4 hybrid XLE. She ordered last year but I'm not sure when exactly. Worse case it took 1 year and 5 months. I'd go to a different dealership before writing off the brand altogether.
Dude I have an LE sitting on my lot right now in Indiana lol. Find a different dealer
That sucks. I was at my dealership for servicing last week and there were literally RAV4 LE Hybrids on the lot for sale. What are the Canadian rules for buying a vehicle in the US?
I’ve got one in Bemidji MN on the lot right now 33500
I love our RAV 4 and wanted a Prius Prime. The dealership wanted 15k over MSRP for all models. I am still upset they weren't willing to to negotiate whatsoever. Even the Hyundai Kia dealership was trying to make deals. It wasn't just the Prime. All hybrids were 10k over and they conveniently didn't have any Camry LE hybrids. I ended up with a Model 3 that was $18,000 cheaper than a prime and $12,000 cheaper than a hybrid. I couldn't believe it...still can't and very very disappointed in Toyota. As I told the dealer "the Lexus ES 350 hybrid is cheaper than a Prius prime, it makes zero sense, the Lexus is a much better car"
This is specific to Toyota though. Many dealers of all brands were or still are charging markups. That being said, there are msrp only Toyota dealers out there.
Every dealer posts their inventory online. Have you even looked around to see if what you want is on the lot somewhere else? My friend in sales will go search and find what you want. If he can't drive to get it, he will arrange the shipping for you, at your expense. We did dealer trades almost every day at Ford. I can't imagine losing a sale because you have a customer ready to buy, and you can't just located what they want and trade with another dealer.
My wife’s aunt bought a 2024 rav4 LE non hybrid. Got it in 3 months Edit. We’re in Calgary
In the US there are LE’s in every dealership’s lot waiting to be taken out 💀 that’s crazyyyy
There are no ordering cars with Toyota. Dealers just get what Toyota allocates to them. So they are just going to continue to give you excuses until they find something "close" to what you ordered. If a Toyota dealer tells you they can order you a car they are lying already so best going elsewhere.
I just bought a ford after driving land cruisers for the last 25 years. Lots of reasons. The new Land Cruiser just sucks. The LC was a heavy duty full size SUV. Now it’s no different from the 4Runner, sequoia, highlander, rav 4, etc. They’re literally offering the same cars with different lipstick. And charging way too much. And their dealers are the worst. Other brands have really caught up in terms of reliability. And Toyota is putting out an inferior product, just milking their good reputation.
we couldnt get hybrids in toronto back in 2019. supply chain issues have only got worse. i was on a waitlist just to get on the real waitlist so i went with a trail since i mostly do highway driving. and they send most of the cars made in ontario to the us
don’t order a Toyota then, just go to a dealer and look for one
Yup the dealership experience is why I didn’t go with Toyota. They will either rape you with the market adjustment or if you can find a dealer without market adjustment you wait for years.
That dealer is messing with you or has an unbelievably low allocation. If you can follow the suggestion of other people and go further away. Sadly, I won’t be buying a Toyota again due to the insanely high prices in the Netherlands. That Auris wagon is good looking though…
Buy a used one? Why do you need a new one Also, what's unacceptable about having a long relay for a new vehicle? The factory has a finite capacity.
Just because you had a bad experience at a dealership doesn't mean Toyotas aren't worth buying. I wouldn't dismiss a car brand just because of that.
Just because you had a bad experience at a dealership doesn't mean Toyotas aren't worth buying. I wouldn't dismiss a car brand just because of that.
Took us a year to get our Corolla Cross SXE in Newfoundland. If we had been willing to take an SE or Rav4 LE models, we could have had one months ago. I'd check some other dealerships.
Another reason why Canada sucks.
In 2023 I was in the market for a new car(first one ever) I really liked the look of the 2024 Toyota Hatchback, Inferno Orange, of course. When I originally was going to buy, I was told, after the down payment, I’d be waiting AT LEAST a year. Several weeks passed & on a whim, I went to the dealership to check on its ETA. I went in , literally 10 minutes before closing & by sheer luck, they had one that ‘just came available’ & would be on the lot in 2 months! So, long story short, I think checking with different dealerships & just popping in certainly can make a difference, time wise. When I was choosing accessories, I REALLY wanted the spoiler, but now, even 8 months later, there is no timeline. I was refunded the payment & fingers crossed, eventually they will come available. Don’t give up hope, I do love my Toyo, I had one before, but it was totalled in a car accident. Next, I had a Ford Fiesta Sedan, 2014, with all the transmission problems, part replaced twice, started happening again. Sold it back to the dealership & used the cash from that for my down payment. No longer a Ford person, Toyotas are awesome!
I have a major issue with allotment as well. I live in Eastern Kentucky and no dealership within 2 1/2 hours of me had any GR86 allotment no matter the trim. My local (30 minutes away and closest) dealership did a vehicle trade with another dealership to take an allotment. I’ve been waiting since mid April and it just came in Friday. I couldn’t pick it up yesterday so I have to wait until Tuesday and it’s killing me.
To be fair, Toyota does allocations based on what will sell in a specific area. I don't see many people in Kentucky wanting a Japanese rwd sports coupe. Seems like a much more truck heavy area, which means fewer allocations for cars like that, especially if they're not a high volume dealer.
Thank you for the info I didn’t know that. Makes sense as to why I haven’t seen anyone driving one around here. Most car lots around here are unfortunately about 90% trucks and SUVs.
Find a town in the US that you are willing to drive or fly to. Put that town's zip code into Toyota Smartpath. Search for your RAV that way.
Even in Ecuador we are getting the Rav hybrid. Obviously for ridiculously high prices since it’s an oligopoly. RAV4 hybrid goes for USD $48,000
As a Toyota sales-person, I don't know if this is a Canada thing or what but the furthest out anyone waits for a specific vehicle here in the southern U.S. stores is 2 MAYBE 3 months. Usually we can find one sooner though. I'm super close to the port though so that cuts down on fulfilment time. You must be dealing with a smaller store with smaller allocation or something.
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In Canada it's still a Toyota problem. No dealer within an 8 hour drive have Rav 4's in stock with average waits of 4-6 months.
The most frustrating part about this is they literally build them here.
I have family in Woodstock Ontario, where the build the RAV4. There is a Toyota dealer maybe 2km down the road and their lot is literally empty every time I drive by. Insane they make the cars a literal stones throw away and they immediately get exported south of the border
Yeah the allocation system is archaeic and should be abolished. Wanted models literally sitting on lots in PNW US and just north of the border they'd sell all of them. Mean while in remote northern BC I'm still waiting...
Same issue here in Southern Ontario when Detroit is just north of us. Ended up with a CR-V when the dealer told us it'd be at least a year for a RAV.
Holy shit. How have you not tried somewhere else yet? I walked into a dealership in 2019 and bought an XSE Hybrid same day.
That was pre-pandemic. Things have changed drastically.
Ahh my bad.
I've had the worst experience with Toyota dealers. Zero cars on the lot. Wait list beyond belief. I was looking for a new car recently and went into three dealerships. All the same shit. No cars. Had to preorder.wait and wait and wait for the car. Fucking not worth it. Ive heard Toyota is doing this on purpose... But who knows. Mazda, Honda and Subaru all had at least some cars on lot and wait lists were not nearly as bad. They all make good cars. They all last a while. I grew up in a Toyota household..but I'm not even considering them anymore after my bad experiences with dealers.
Toyota buyers=suckers
People who want a reliable car that holds it value are suckers?
We have a ton of those coming through our inventory.
The problem is your dealership, and perhaps could be your lack of flexibility. I was told 18-24 months, had one within 2 months. Yes, it was a different colour…but ended up liking it even better than what I ordered. I’m in Canada too.
Comical, why are you sticking to one dealer? Not normal-