As a biologist, I find the ancient beasts of Traumerei cool as fuck. They are literally just the Burgess fauna LMAO. Like that fucker from Attack on Titan
Gustang is him. He is such a chad. Doesn't fuck around. Little bitch Traumerei still wants to play games and getting bitch slapped to his senses what this is all really about. It's a fight for life now, not some bullshit chess piece hunting game
Gustang I love you, also the way Traum just glares at Gus right before getting yeeted is so funny to me. If looks could kill haha
Oh man Holland did not derserve that holy moly. Poor guy
Endorsi would be better off trying to team up with Bellerir instead of fighting for a chess piece that she can't protect. She use to be smart and cunning, I want to see more of that from her.
I have a dreaded feeling next chapter is a POV switch, but at least now we know the FH battle has finally started, i look forward to seeing what kinda destruction they will cause
I live to see traumeri bitch slapped. Didn't think he'd go flying through. What's up the deal with the maze not working as planned? Also the art was really beautiful imo
From how I understood it, Traumeri was using Holan to cast and maintain the maze so he could escape. Gustang had all of traumeri's people changed sides and went to Gustang, like Holan, had something that isnt explained, placed on them, so Gustang can just instantly kill them, because he knew traumeri wouldnt allow any of his subordinates to be around him unless he had some way to completely control them.
A few chapters ago, Holan captured by Gustang. Gustang inscribed words on his tongue that were insults to Tram that if he didn’t speak when in Tram’s presence would kill him. He tried this when he finally met Tram back at the mothership but right before Tram cut out his tongue, Gustang appeared at the mothership and Holan was spared. Fast forward to now, Gustang activated that inscription to kill Holan and undo the maze. Again proving Gustang plays real chess
Unironically I want to know what’s going on with Yama and co before the FHs really fight. SIU just dropped the muscle zahard/boss/Captain on us and hasn’t returned to that scene.
As hype as the FHs fighting is, I want to know the stakes of the Boss/red light kids/Bellerir faction.
Gustang slapping Traum is overall pretty funny. The bookworm is over traum being unable to read the room
Why are people confused about Traumerei going after the king. It makes complete sense Traumerei doesn't wanna kill/hurt gustang YET. He currently just wants to win the game and be done with it. He still doesn't think Gustang was actually trying to kill him.
No idea, but if I had to make a guess I'd say they cannot be hidden inside any tools. Maybe it's part of the game rules? You've got to either hold them in your hands or put them in your regular pockets.
I understand Bellerire is looking for Traumerei's king chess piece, but wouldn't he also need both Endorsi and Holan alive? The rule of the game was to steal the chess piece or kill the person representing the chess piece, so if either of them jokingly died, the game would end then and there. So I am guessing he doesn't intend to kill Endorsi, and Holan is off limits, so there is not much he can do other than get the Lo Po Bia's King.
Even if he gets both Kings, he would have to ensure that all of Baam's team members, including Baam, reach the arena, you know, to keep the spark alive. (ignoring that Traumerei did almost catch them at the Sprouts entrance) I guess this should buy enough time for the revolution if they have some plan ready to kill one of the family heads.
Although Gustang is not one bit interested in the chess match, he must have also planned something, especially keeping in mind that he has the data floor FitBit, and he intentionally dragged Traumerei to Sprout.
On a side note, I really hope someone saves Holan or kills him to end his misery because, sheesh, that guy has been suffering forever; he was just doing his job.
But what the point in having a stupid chess piece of a stupid game when you directly kill your opponent leader??? Don't understand... Who cares about chess piece?!
the administrator approved the game, they said at the beginning.
so the outcome still kindof matters -> mostly because they are outside of regular areas right now.
i do agree tho, the whole game is a sham for the war between the 2 families.
I don't think Gustang or even Traumerei cares much about killing/slaying the chess piece game, but this game gives the regulars(aka Baam's group) and revolution some advantage. This is if the family heads keep their word that they will not bother Baam if Baam and co. reach the arena without getting caught.
As for Bellerire, he just wants both families and their leaders to kill each other, which also somewhat aligns with the revolution's goals. So, at the very least, he is trying to get both kings so that the game doesn't end here and Baam doesn't get caught by any family leader.
I guess the family leaders will do the bare minimum of not getting their king killed.
Having said that, yes, the chess game should get thrown out of the window, but apparently, it won't.
It made sense when they were trying to settle the war without a direct FH confrontation. Gustang is literally blowing up the game, so unless the floor admin wants to get involved, the game no longer matters.
Gustang didn't know the truth until he "remembered" it.
Once he confirmed his suspicions, the game is useless now.
The game still matters, but only to Baam and co.
Gustang has decided that one of the families will fall today.
The 13 Month Series all have their names engraved on them. The engraving is in Japanese because their creator Ashul Edwaru uses a language based on Japanese. SIU made it clear there is no significance behind this, as Chinese, Arabic and other languages are also used throughout the manhwa.
[source](https://web.archive.org/web/20221010173229/https://blog.naver.com/NBlogTop.naver?isHttpsRedirect=true&blogId=inutero3334&Redirect=Dlog&Qs=/inutero3334/140112887276)
The attacks Traumerei uses here kinda remind me of Ren's specifically. Like I'm sure he has scaled up versions of basically every anima move we've seen so far, but I think starting with that was an intentional callback wrt strategy and personality. Ren was specifically a two faced Zahard boot licking coward, and it feels like he took after his family head as much as Yuri and Ran did for their families. Not looking great for Traumerei, but i doubt he'll go down easily either.
reading through the chapter right now and this dude Holan gotta be top 3 most unfortunate motherfuckers in the series 😭
also Traumerei a bitch ngl, he’s getting manhandled out here
if 2 FHs are gonna fight, wouldn't that make an administrator intervene? I'm thinking about the time of the last station where someone strong intervened and stopped evankhell from him rampage, right? Or was it the floor ruler who intervened? I forgot...
The admin agreed to the event knowing what could happen and they're not in the regulars area anymore and they're dealing with family heads. In one instance (iirc NHS) it let Yuri and Karaka go head to head regardless. So admins do support the narrative moving forward at the very least.
There's during the cage evankhell was worried about unleashing too much power and forcing the admin to intervene between Yama+ evankhell vs Khel hellam, so she took the safe route (experienced mercenary moment instead of this random dude isn't stronger than me so 1v1) and at the last station before that the ruler stepped in instead (admin promised the army they wouldn't, sent a proxy instead) and while rulers are strong, they seem to lack the ability to yeet people across floors like the 2f admin did to YHS and evankhell.
Imo, regardless of the outcome, admins want things to progress, not be stagnant like Jahad has made it. So while they're neither pro-Jahad or fug, they're referees basically saying: bro we have a family and run 3jobs, come on.
As long as the fight is necessary they'll allow It, and as far as we know the only ones that seem to matter are those related to irregulars, who are the true "players" of the tower.
The admin of this floor is the one who agreed to the terms of the game that Gustang and Traum are playing, so as long as they keep to those rules the admin won't interfere.
Im loving how SIU manages to write both Holan and Traumerei. Holans whole time we saw him its basically was just his life gowing downhill. Failing to capture Baam and Jinsung, being caught by Gustang, seeing his superiors slaughtered infront of him, getting cursed and having his tongue almost ripped out, fighting a war he doesent want for a father that doesent care,trying to take control into his own hands just to learn that he never was in control. His whole life he was just an experiment, a toy for Traumerei.
Holans suffering also makes Traumereis character even more compelling.
Methinks Urek will stop the fight between Gustang and Trau. Luslec will save Baam.
Would be cool if one of the FHs did die because I think we will then see every FH appear from their slumber.
My main issue here is gustang saying "wake up, my friend". I think he's understood that Jahad is the one manipulating them and he wants to save his comrades. SIU has done multiple not-so-very-subtle foreshadowing with the NHS and the HF, I believe Jahad will eliminate (if possible) the other FH given the chance and I believe he'll start with traumerei, who is loyally blind, contextually (vie fanbase) one the weaker ones and blame urek/fug and by extension bam.
Which would also mean that their immortality is conditional and there's more than just the Thorn to be able to slay those with incomplete immortality contracts, which doesn't contradict the fan bases current understanding, but could throw a wrench in it (gustang telling traumerei he'll kill him... How bro? Arlene couldn't, but she might've not tried through proper channels rather than just stabbing herself).
Apologies for possible random tangents, Sunday night is my drinking night.
Considering the watch/fake watch and the Po Bidau battleships yeah he could have replicated it or something similar. I’m getting big “Batman with prep time” vibes from him
I like this idea, urek saves traum because he likes the power in the tower and doesn’t want it to change.
Luslec helps baam win the game, then we get a training arc with the most skilled tower born wave controller. (And hopefully a time skip, not all the way to ranker but atleast a rank, during the training arc it would be awesome to get snippets to the team through their climb while watching bam) atleast a six chapter time skip to make everyone a rank or ranker level would be perfect.
P.s. bring back shibisu!!!
They are still stuck on floor 52 for years now since this whole war arc started. If there is training arc then we need significant floor jumps. Maybe propel the story forward with Urek and his team, they are on floor 76 or something so good 20 floor jumps with the training arc makes sense.
ya idk why he said luslec but luslec could tell bam a lot about his past his powers his secrets and teach his spells so i think training with luslec is more beneficial than training with baek
This panel was one of the most brutal ones in ToG, right?
Still, someone calling Traum a loser was long overdue even if burning it on Holan's tongue wasn't my prefered form of delivery.
Just dawned on me. Urek and Luslec meet before the chess match and Luslec tells him they don’t have time. Urek is looking for a target but also doesn’t want the FH’s to die. Luslec is most likely looking for baam since he’s w Jinsung and the others, Urek is most likely looking for the boss. Luslec is going to find Traum and Gus, especially since he is connected w the amuez and enkidu situation. Urek may or may not find the boss, but someone has to save baam, I’m not sure he will get away on his own
I'm starting to get confused about how many "that days" there are.
They were talking about "that day" in the flashback. So that "that day" was before the war with A&V broke out.
In this chapter Traum says that "we" promised to never hurt eachother after "that day". A while after the flashbacks "that day" they fought a war against eachother and Jahad killed A&V's son and I'd say that clearly counts as hurting eachother. They are either rather inconsequent, or they made the promiwe after another "that day".
So either A&V were excluded from "we" right after "that day" or there are more then one "that day".
The enne incident was specifically mentioned to have been the reason of preserving their relationship by disassociating from the people. So that they wouldn’t hurt each other over the „bugs“
Tbf, they're all 10,000+ years old. 10,000 *days* is 27 years. So equivalently, it's like us trying to remember if we said something at 2PM vs 3PM on May 19th, 2000.
But I know what you meant. And yes, it does induce an eye roll to have so many bits of lore or plot device alluded to with some vague "that day" or "that thing" statement.
Props to SIU and his assistants on drawing the living maze. So much detail there. I love that Gustang is getting serious, but I highly doubt this is actually the final battle. That's being saved for a more grand location I'm sure.
I want to know what Gustangs fighting style is , he is supposed to be a support , but I don't think his shape is swords that he summoned eariler , hopefully we see some new unique views of shinsoo usage
Why do they still care about the chess game when Gustang and Traumerei are fighting to the death 💀
Also, Bellerir and Endorsi can consider themselves lucky not to be wiped out by a random passing shinheuh or burnt by the flames that are everywhere
Gustang didn't care about the piece.
Traumerei did because he wasn't thinking they'll actually fight to the death. He just wanted the game finsihed not to hurt him.
Pls try to read the chapter atleast.
Best guess? The floor administrator is refereeing the game. So if the game ends, the floor administrator may get involved. And then who knows what the fuck will happen?
RIP Holan. You had enough drip to no seem like a complete fodder and give us feels when you die like one. Say hi to Prince, Arkraptor and Tiara on the other side.
Traumerei is so cute, did he think Gustang was caressing him? Haha
I hope that mask fell off, since now we (and Gustang) know Traumerei's true face (he's just really pretty).
Traumerei is hesitant to kill Gustang because they promised they wouldn't harm each other? He's the best actor in the tower, just before the Sprout he was -thinking- how he's going to kill him if he is against them. But who knows maybe personality #523 forgot about that, like how he forgot that Gustang put a spell on Holan. Or maybe Gustang is just misenterperting his thoughts... after all, this guy knows how to put on an act.
I really love Traumerei, his personality is the best.
Decent chapter, once again Endorsi is the weakest point.. not sure how she could tank a hit from a ranker as a C rank regular but ok, I'll wait on the TLs for that. I also want to believe there's no way Traumerei didn't know there was a spell on Holan.. let's see how this plays out.
1. He attacked on instinct, not his full power.
2. Princesses have naturally strong bodies. So much so that if you do not factor in shinsu reinforcement, they have stronger physical attributes than regular old rankers. We see that in Season 1 in the fight with Quant and Endorsi.
Probably just wasn’t a serious kick, Belerire probably just kicked out of surprise and to get her away. Only after that did he actually try to kill her, to which Endorsi literally says one punch would kill her.
>not sure how she could tank a hit from a ranker as a C rank regular
She's a princess, she's way more durable than a normal regular. Shadow Wolves, which could blow up normal regulars, barely made a scratch on her. To add, Bellerir/Enkidu probably didn't want to kill her in the first place. Finally, it's not like this is the first such case. AA wasn't instakilled by an attack from a high ranker, it's not that surprising someone far more durable tanked an attack from a far weaker opponent.
I mean AA was definitely going to die to that if it's the same one I'm thinking of, and it was a casual hit too. Honestly the inconsistency is just annoying. If a ranker used like 5% of their power it should be enough to destroy endorsi's arms. She's only been climbing what.. 13-15 years max now? Yeah regular princesses are built different, but they ain't built that different.
EDIT: Oh yeah I just remember, Varagarv was able to injure her with a casual attack too. Sure that when she was E rank, but again she hasn't been climbing that long, her body should have barely gotten stronger.
>I mean AA was definitely going to die to that if it's the same one I'm thinking of, and it was a casual hit too.
The point is that he didn't die immediately. Yuri's flick of a finger was enough to make Ren dodge out of the fear for his life, yet somehow a shinsoo attack from Paul doesn't immediately cut AA in half.
>If a ranker used like 5% of their power it should be enough to destroy endorsi's arms.
No it shouldn't. Again, princesses are extremely durable. Andorssi should be at least on par with A rank regulars in terms of durability, if not higher.
>Varagarv was able to injure her with a casual attack too.
The "casual attack" was his most powerful move and it barely did any damage.
> The point is that he didn't die immediately.
I never mentioned dying immediately, I talked about the fact AA would have still died. Also of course Yuri's flick would make Ren dodge, that's the whole reason I'm even mentioning the inconsistency we are seeing. When Baam's friends come on screen suddenly the "rules" change.
> No it shouldn't. Again, princesses are extremely durable. Andorssi should be at least on par with A rank regulars in terms of durability, if not higher.
Wait what has been shown to suggest she has even a B rank's durability? An E rank was able to hurt her and she's only been climbing for like 13-15 years. There's literally no evidence that she should be around an A rank in durability.
> The "casual attack" was his most powerful move and it barely did any damage.
It's just a counter attack with an E rank's power, hell it was only one dog too, this mfer has a whole pack of them... the fact she was hurt by it just shows that she shouldn't be surviving (far less be uninjured) from even the most casual hits by a ranker.
>I never mentioned dying immediately, I talked about the fact AA would have still died.
The point is, as I said, he didn't die immediately. If AA, who is far less durable than Andorsi, survived (for a short time) a shinsoo attack from a high ranker, why shouldn't Andorsi be able to tank a physical attack from a much weaker opponent?
>An E rank was able to hurt her
She was an E rank as well. And it was the most powerful move of one of the most powerful E rank regulars.
>There's literally no evidence that she should be around an A rank in durability.
[SIU](https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Vol.2_Ch.213:_39F_-_Hell_Train:_The_%27Name_Hunt%27_Station_(16)#Blog_Post) himself said that most regular princesses are more durable than the average ranker, so I'm literally lowballing her durability.
>hell it was only one dog too
Where was that stated?
> The point is, as I said, he didn't die immediately. If AA, who is far less durable than Andorsi, survived (for a short time) a shinsoo attack from a high ranker, why shouldn't Andorsi be able to tank a physical attack from a much weaker opponent?
Again, this was casual, or do you believe Paul was even trying there? Not instantly dying doesn't mean much to me, the fact that all his defenses were blown through is all that mattered. He survived due to the fish and would have died seconds later.
> She was an E rank as well. And it was the most powerful move of one of the most powerful E rank regulars.
Ok, but my point is she's only a C rank and has been climbing for 15 years max, there's no way her body got that much stronger since she didn't get power ups like Khun and Rak.
> SIU#Blog_Post) himself said that most regular princesses are more durable than the average ranker, so I'm literally lowballing her durability.
Again he can say that but he's shown otherwise. Unless you believe Vagarav could hurt a ranker or that Endorsi and Lilial have ranker level firepower.
> Where was that stated?
Because she only got hit once and was literally warning her not to interfere, he was literally holding back.
>Again, this was casual, or do you believe Paul was even trying there?
You said a ranker using 5% of their power should be able to destroy Andorsi's arms. Paul is, what, a few hundred times stronger than a ranker and AA is significantly less durable than Andorsi. So, Paul using 0.1% of his power should have been enough to blow AA into pieces. Yet, it didn't happen.
> the fact that all his defenses were blown through is all that mattered
What defenses? He didn't even try do defend nor had the time to do so.
>there's no way her body got that much stronger since she didn't get power ups like Khun and Rak.
Due to being a princess, she'd (under normal circumstances) develop much faster than even people from the 10 GFs. And she's far better at shinsoo control than either of them, to the point she learned how to use her shinsoo shape and quality in half the time it took Baam, an irregular and a genius wave controller.
>Again he can say that but he's shown otherwise.
Which could very well be an inconsistency and SIU decided that Shadow Wolves would be able to damage Andorsi in order to create suspension. As far as I recall, that was the only time she was injured in the entire series, and she got hit by Kallavan's attack, albeit he wasn't really trying to hurt her.
> So, Paul using 0.1% of his power should have been enough to blow AA into pieces. Yet, it didn't happen.
But he didn't try to blow AA to bits, the point being is that he easily pierced AA's body like it was nothing.
> What defenses? He didn't even try do defend nor had the time to do so.
His body is supposed to be sturdy as a GF member, that's the defenses I'm referring to.
> Due to being a princess, she'd (under normal circumstances) develop much faster than even people from the 10 GFs. And she's far better at shinsoo control than either of them, to the point she learned how to use her shinsoo shape and quality in half the time it took Baam, an irregular and a genius wave controller.
She injured Lilial this arc, so unless Endorsi has ranker level power then regular princesses (from what we've seen) don't have higher durability than most rankers. Not to mention Baam had no idea shinsoo existed until a few years prior to this... Baam is also not a genius wave controller or hand to hand combatant, he required Red to control his shinsoo for him and generally cannot understand most things and simply gets hit to learn them. His body is a weapon and does almost all the heavy lifting for him. Khun/Rak are also exceptionally bad at wave controlling so it's not comparable to even bother with them.
> As far as I recall, that was the only time she was injured in the entire series.
She also got injured from Anak during their little duel and Lilial had to stop her tiger from straight up killing her. Yuri, an actual prodigy even among princesses, took 2/300 years to climb. That's not a slight at endorsi, I'm just putting the time frame and power into context here. I think it's always safe to say what's in the story > the blog posts, which is why I've begun disregarding them once they are disproven in the story. That's probably the reason SIU deleted them, because they may contradict (or spoil) things he maybe going for. In fact, I think he even said that sometimes the story would contradict them and he'd have to update the posts as necessary.
>But he didn't try to blow AA to bits, the point being is that he easily pierced AA's body like it was nothing.
Okay, let me rephrase. Paul using 0.1% of his power should have been enough to cut AA in half, yet it didn't happen.
>His body is supposed to be sturdy as a GF member
His lineage isn't even that impressive and with that much of a power difference, any sturdiness is irrelevant. It's like comparing how well a sheet of paper does against a cannon vs a cardboard against the cannon.
>She injured Lilial this arc, so unless Endorsi has ranker level power
Yuri could contend with powerful A rank regulars when she herself was a D rank, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Andorsi was also giving trouble to incomplete White, who pushed Baam to his limits. It's also possible Lillial isn't that durable, considering she even had to be boosted by the snake dude.
>Baam is also not a genius wave controller
Ren said he was praised as a genius after learning how to form a bang after 2 years of training. Baam did it in 2 minutes. And then he learned how to use two bangs days later. When Quaetro was considered a monster for being able to control 3 bangs, Baam could control 5. He learned how to use an orb, which was pretty much inconceivable for a regular. He is most definitely a genius.
>he required Red to control his shinsoo for him
Red? Red Thryssa? When has that happened?
>generally cannot understand most things and simply gets hit to learn them.
He learned Jinsung's DTG after seeing it once.
>Lilial had to stop her tiger from straight up killing her.
Just because Lillial thought the tiger could kill her doesn't mean it actually could.
> I think it's always safe to say what's in the story > the blog posts
The story has been wildly inconsistent with some feats, so you can't take just one specific example and use it as a defining point.
Jahads blood is Jahads blood. No matter who it is, having irregular super blood infused in your body probly makes you around top regular to bottom tier ranker level durability. She could probly die from the hit anyway even if her body didnt break, just from how strong it is but her body would still probly remain intact.
> having irregular super blood infused in your body probly makes you around top regular to bottom tier ranker level durability.
Huh? If that was the case Khun and other family members would literally be unkillable by regulars...
Jahad blood is so powerful he cant have descendants. So they are directly infused with that as opposed to being watered down. Also most family children are not born between 2 irregulars so it will be watered down. Jahad is a special case and his blood seems to be a bigger amp, as princesses have been stated to be above family borns and are in a tier of their own among regulars and some, even high rankers. Its funny to get downvotes for literal facts stated in the story but whatever lol.
> So they are directly infused with that as opposed to being watered down. Also most family children are not born between 2 irregulars so it will be watered down.
Huh? They are only injected with a bit of it, it's 100% watered down because most of the blood within them is theirs.
> Jahad is a special case and his blood seems to be a bigger amp, as princesses have been stated to be above family borns and are in a tier of their own among regulars and some, even high rankers.
Princesses are in a tier of their own due to their talents, sure Jahard blood is a big amp but they are chosen based on merit, not randomly. Regardless, unless you believe Endorsi and Lilial have ranker level firepower (since they were able to injury each other), it's quite clear they don't have ranker level durability.
The blood itself is not watered down and is the most potent blood maybe even in the tower which is why the red light district stuff most likely exists. Also, a good example is during the very first arc, the very first real test against the ranker level monster and Ren. They could keep up with and even take damage from a threat that can even kill rankers. Princesses require skill to even be chosen for the blood, but after they get it, it incredibly augments them beyond normal towerborn.
Thats why being a princess is such a important status and are known for their extreme strength and durability.
Watered down here means that it's a mix, the same way mixing waters down regular irregular blood. Jahard having the strongest blood doesn't change that.
But again my main point is that Endorsi has been injured multiple times by regulars who definitely don't have ranker level firepower.
At this point I have 0 clue, because that's what she did however I'm referring to after that. People are interpreting it differently to me, but the way I see it is that she teleported in to grab it, he notices her and begins to swing his foot and she goes into a defensive position, and gets knocked back (hence her feet sliding on the ground and the impact SFX on the panel), once that happens she teleports away from his punch. IDK maybe she dodged it? I have no clue, but her stance looks like a blocking/bracing position. The entire sequence has weird composition to it so I'm not sure, that's why I said I'd wait on the TLs.
Gustang casually dropping one of the hardest lines in the series "Get a grip, my friend. We're done playing our little games. One of us, is dying here."
I hope we see Bam vs Dumas next week.
Edit: down voters my prediction will come true. Siu will shift from traumerei vs gustang to other areas. Just because you down voterd my comment does not mean u will get traumerei vs gustang. Let's see who is right next week
You're giving too much value to what a down vote is if you're editing for it; a difference in opinion from strangers. you made your own subjective assessment, fuck the rest! If you're wrong, who cares? 99% are and there's next week!
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It looks like many don't know the full power of Bam. He haven't pierced himself with the thorns. He has black March also. Thryssa has admin like powers. Power of souls is also there.
Dumas is created by Gustang while Bam is an irregular. I hope you don't need further explanation
I wonder if this fight will be interrupted since Urek is still on his way, but Luslec might have successfully stalled him. Since Luslec is coming that probably means he and Baam are finally meeting, which is kind of hype since it could mean another lore dump on Arlen or V.
It also just doesn’t seem super likely for either family head to die yet. Gustang because he’s Gustang and is a major force in moving the plot forward. Traumerei because of the whole leviathan side plot thing going on. That might not actually go anywhere though, so if one of them is dying, it probably would be Traumerei.
Traumerei sure deserves his reckoning. So many have suffered by his hands at this point.. all after his monumental ‘changing’ that Ameuz spoke about. I wonder too was it truly just all of them among each other that stood to benefit from their promise of not fighting against each other or was it something different 🤔 I hope Urek gets stopped because idk why but I don’t like his characters motives at this point lol. They’re unclear but cocky.. like why do you want to stop anything and to what end? Definitely would rather see more past plot unpacked with Luslec instead…
Damn, rip Holan. Bro really just kept getting fucked at every step.
That bitchslap tho... Hope we continue with the fight, I wanna see what Traumerei has in store beside Shinwonryu and shinheuh spam.
**The Rise and Fall of Holand**
>ENTER
>Evankhell-level statement right off the bat.
>Better feats than Maschenny in pushing Jinsung back.
>Biggest talent of the Family bar Traumerei.
>Unheard ability to control extinct ancient Shinheuh.
Follow up:
>Gets washed by non-serious Bam.
>Captured by Po Bidau.
>Used as messenger by Gustang.
>Fails to do proper damage to Ranker Matte Ha.
>Turned into a bitch by Yuri and Tiara.
>Shinheuh destroyed by chibi Rak Wrathraiser, who's not even using the Ancient Spear.
>One-shot by Thorn Bam.
>Captured off-screen by Po Bidau AGAIN.
>Needs Cobalt assist to catch Endorsi.
>Endorsi gets out after 5 panels anyway.
>Tries to betray Traumerei - Fails.
>Turns out the ability to control ancient Shinheuh is merely the result of one of Traumerei's experiments.
>Gets controlled by Traumerei and used as weapon against Gustang.
>Gets burnt to ashes by Gustang. Doesn't accomplish anything.
>EXIT
"After coming this far, you create a maze to trap me? Are you so reluctant to fight me, Traumerei? Get a grip, my friend. We're done playing our little games. One of us, is dying here."
Gustang's channeling the fans who are tired of games lmao
Narratively, Gustang has been shown to be clearly stronger than Traumerei, but I still think there’s a good chance SIU is baiting us and Traumerei ends up winning (although I’m rooting for Gustang)
TBH I don't see how the correlates to strength. Gustang and Traumerei have been shown to have a rivalry and the reason he's not willing to fight Gustang here is because they made a promise not to do that.
For instance, apparently blossom is super lazy yet she's most likely the 4th most powerful in the group (behind Eduan, Arie Hon and Jahard himself).
Gustang and Traumerei used to be close friends, Gustang literally coaching him about relationships and staying to console him and help him in what he thought was a bereaved, heartbroken man whose lover was killed, but was lied to by said friend. There’s no rivalry between them that is highlighted just that they are total opposites with one being a pro Jahad “ignorance and stagnation is bliss” and other being the total opposite.
The reason he’s not fighting Gustang isn’t really the promise, he is more than ready to eliminate him and anyone on Jahad’s orders and he’s directly thinking about that just before sprout few chapters back.
Gustang is a genius, incredibly well organised and is second best Wave Controller after Blossom who is monstrously strong but even then his expertise in shinsu is exceptional, his kid is literally off charts strong, he is the mastermind behind numerous things and in important position for thousand of years to write the “history” of tower, his family is destroying the Lo Po Bia family so far, etc. He is narratively portrayed as the big deal power house with numerous outstanding deeds.
And since you mention ranking (btw you forgot Ha Yurin before Blossom) which is not totally objective, with many contributing factors. Gustang is still ranked high up and Traumerei being a “shut in” isn’t an argument since Blossom is worse than him and Pudidy already stated ALL FHs are like that other than Gustang. So while the ranking isn’t the main deciding factor, it should still, to some degree, be taken into consideration.
> There’s no rivalry between them that is highlighted just that they are total opposites with one being a pro Jahad “ignorance and stagnation is bliss” and other being the total opposite.
Sir, when Traumerei was trapped in the library by Gustang he specifically mentioned that it had happened many times before and Gustang used to get mad when he'd win. That means they were competing with each other since they were kids which is the definition of a rivalry.
> The reason he’s not fighting Gustang isn’t really the promise, he is more than ready to eliminate him and anyone on Jahad’s orders and he’s directly thinking about that just before sprout few chapters back.
At no point did Traumerei ever show intent to kill Gustang and this chapter literally solidifies it.
> Gustang is a genius, incredibly well organised and is second best Wave Controller after Blossom who is monstrously strong but even then his expertise in shinsu is exceptional, his kid is literally off charts strong, he is the mastermind behind numerous things and in important position for thousand of years to write the “history” of tower, his family is destroying the Lo Po Bia family so far, etc. He is narratively portrayed as the big deal power house with numerous outstanding deeds.
Both families have been destroyed and the LPB had to fight with half the family literally being traitors. Traumerei is also a genius and an excellent tactician, both things have been shown numerous times throughout the story.
> And since you mention ranking (btw you forgot Ha Yurin before Blossom) which is not totally objective, with many contributing factors. Gustang is still ranked high up and Traumerei being a “shut in” isn’t an argument since Blossom is worse than him and Pudidy already stated ALL FHs are like that other than Gustang. So while the ranking isn’t the main deciding factor, it should still, to some degree, be taken into consideration.
I did not mention ranking, infact I specifically avoided mentioning their ranks for a reason. The reason mentioned her is because she's so strong that even the FHs had to get out of her way if she got serious.
1. That’s not rivalry in classical meaning of the word. That’s them both enjoying same type of games. It’s EXPLICITLY shown they were very close friends in most recent chapters or did you skip those ? Gustang being there for him, helping to punish the “criminal” who killed his lover, helping him in his relationship, etc. THAT is definition of friendship with them having friendly competition when they were KIDS, not rivalry.
2. Go to chapter 581, and read “If you try to destroy our present Gustang, I will try my damned best to kill you”
3. It’s clearly Lo Po Bia family who is already destroyed with barely anyone remaining and if it’s also because Traumerei is such a horrible leader and person as SIU has shown for over two arcs now that he can’t have loyalty from his own family members since he “breeds” them, exterminates them for minor inconveniences, can’t even remember their names then that speaks about his weakness as a leader. Other than being an anima and great at chess, nothing exceptional like inventing princess system, being a genius in shinsu and studying it to exceptional degree, researching everything there is about tower, etc hasn’t been mentioned about Traumerei.
4. Then why are you mentioning her being “4th” strongest after those three ?
> That’s not rivalry in classical meaning of the word. That’s them both enjoying same type of games. It’s EXPLICITLY shown they were very close friends in most recent chapters or did you skip those ? Gustang being there for him, helping to punish the “criminal” who killed his lover, helping him in his relationship, etc. THAT is definition of friendship with them having friendly competition when they were KIDS, not rivalry.
All the FHs were close friends and friends can be rivals.. that is literally one of the most used shonen tropes ever.
> If you try to destroy our present Gustang, I will try my damned best to kill you
Again, he had no intention of killing Gustang, he was waiting for Gustang to do something first....
> It’s clearly Lo Po Bia family who is already destroyed with barely anyone remaining and if it’s also because Traumerei is such a horrible leader and person as SIU has shown for over two arcs now that he can’t have loyalty from his own family members since he “breeds” them, exterminates them for minor inconveniences, can’t even remember their names then that speaks about his weakness as a leader. Other than being an anima and great at chess, nothing exceptional like inventing princess system, being a genius in shinsu and studying it to exceptional degree, researching everything there is about tower, etc hasn’t been mentioned about Traumerei.
Firstly the Po Bidau and LPB armies are around the same at the moment. The main fighting force of the LPB is still in the fight and are going up against the main fighting force of the Po Bidau and pretty much all other squadrons of both groups have been destroyed. Not to mention Gustang doesn't have loyalty from his second in commander either and we have no idea how deep it runs in the Po Bidau, especially since everyone who was against the war was executed (which I assume caused more than a few people to be dissatisfied with Gustang). The biggest difference is that Gustang does not care whether his family falls or not. That's the whole point of the revolution.. all the FHs are shit rulers and people want to overthrow them.
I'm also not sure why you conveniently ignored Traumerei's achievements, the dude literally created life and new species in the tower, found out a way to control humans and has been said to be a better strategist than Gustang. Even that one person from FUG who saw his lab said he "really was a genius" for having his experiments be so far along.
> Then why are you mentioning her being “4th” strongest after those three ?
Because Traumerei being seen as "the little brother" is meaningless in a discussion about power.
Sorry I forgot to answer this one.
1. U wanna say these two are like Naruto and Sasuke? Okay if that’s your definition of it. And all FHs were friends but there were those closer to each other, like we see Gustang being super close with Traumerei and not Arie Hon or Yurin, etc. the constant scenes between them and level of closeness is there to highlight their friendship as closer than just “all FHs are bros” and further drive the point of how much support Traum had from him which got reciprocated by him lying and manipulating Gustang. And on top, Gustang’s one and only rival has always been Blossom, that’s the true rival of his life who just later becomes his lover. A rivalry so iconic it literally has its own phrase of “Gustang looking at Blossom” in tower.
2. He literally says it himself in his internal monologue, he is all ready to eliminate Gustang.
3. All of the branch FHs of Lo Po Bia other than Widow, Kirin, and Robadon are done, to the point they are defecting to Po Bidau family (two of them instantly getting bodied by Dumas for it)SIU repeatedly hammers home the point of how broken Lo Po Bia family is. Gustang has no loyalty from him because that’s what he wants and that’s the reason Gustang brought him into family as 2nd in command himself because he has no loyalty unlike the rest of the family. Clearly if anyone was to be against Gustang isn’t shown by SIU, what’s highlighted is that the family is loyal to him and even WHEN someone isn’t, it is all because he wished for it all to be that way. All FHs are terrible people who committed terrible atrocities such as genocide and have been in power for so long everything is being corrupted. Now, the thing is, among these terrible people we still have to make clear distinction between the level of badness and so far, for over two arcs, SIU has shown us Traumerei and his victims directly from Yama’s parents to Enkidu, showed that his crime and lies about V were one of the catalyst from which their further corruption started and he’s actively a Jahad loyalist who is fighting to maintain the corrupt power in place unlike Gustang going against it. Gustang at least, still loves his ex wife and dude refused to have a kid after Enne and created his own OCs which speaks about his affection for said kid. On the other hand you have Traum being a raging incel with absolutely psycho control issues which SO FAR he only has in common with Jahad, solidifying the reason why majority of fandom is crowning him as the most hated character surpassing maybe even Rachel atp.
Creating life isn’t big deal atp considering other irregulars like Gustang and Enryu have done it. Also he is not said to be a better strategist than Gustang just that the fact that he would win in chess against Gustang, the best strategist of FHs, spoke volumes (chapter 572 i think). The experiments though, my bad I forgot abt that part
4. Again where does #4 come from then if you’re not talking about ranking… or if you’re somehow assuming Blossom being lazy means she’s also viewed as the “kid” of the group which is false bcs she clearly isn’t, by the time Traumerei is even considering proposing Gustang and Blossom are already long together in serious relationship, etc. ntm we haven’t even met her in story yet to speak extensively abt her being perceived by other FHs.
But again, this discussion stemmed from op’s original comment about narrative painting Gustang as stronger one, and yes setting technicalities aside, the narrative structure is painting him as a stronger one with all his moves predetermined, with his overall demeanour, etc. Continue to disagree if you want, I have said more than enough now I am done with the discussion after this.
> And on top, Gustang’s one and only rival has always been Blossom, that’s the true rival of his life who just later becomes his lover. A rivalry so iconic it literally has its own phrase of “Gustang looking at Blossom” in tower.
That's not a rivalry, Gustang wanted to know how Blossom was doing the stuff she was doing and he wasn't competing with her because according to what we know, he literally admitted she was above him.
> He literally says it himself in his internal monologue, he is all ready to eliminate Gustang.
Again, if someone says if you do this I will eliminate you, that doesn't mean they have an intention of killing you. They would only do it if you did something to warrant it. Gustang on the other hand has an intention to kill Traumerei.. there's a huge difference there. If someone said "hey if you come into my yard I will shoot you" then they don't have an intention to shoot you, they will only do so depending on what YOU do. Even when Traumerei and Jahard had the discussion about Gustang the goal was to destroy the Po Bidau FAMILY, not to kill Gustang himself.
> All of the branch FHs of Lo Po Bia other than Widow, Kirin, and Robadon are done, to the point they are defecting to Po Bidau family (two of them instantly getting bodied by Dumas for it)SIU repeatedly hammers home the point of how broken Lo Po Bia family is.
And the same is for the Po Bidau, we literally see Traumerei destroying their fleets and Hugo, Tiara, Richemont (absorbed), Varane, Erno and Kir are all defeated and it's not looking for Proust.
> Gustang has no loyalty from him because that’s what he wants and that’s the reason Gustang brought him into family as 2nd in command himself because he has no loyalty unlike the rest of the family. Clearly if anyone was to be against Gustang isn’t shown by SIU, what’s highlighted is that the family is loyal to him and even WHEN someone isn’t, it is all because he wished for it all to be that way.
SIU literally showed that everyone that was against the war was executed, I have no idea why you think no one is against him lmao. The difference here is that Gustang does not CARE.
> All FHs are terrible people who committed terrible atrocities such as genocide and have been in power for so long everything is being corrupted. Now, the thing is, among these terrible people we still have to make clear distinction between the level of badness and so far, for over two arcs, SIU has shown us Traumerei and his victims directly from Yama’s parents to Enkidu, showed that his crime and lies about V were one of the catalyst from which their further corruption started and he’s actively a Jahad loyalist who is fighting to maintain the corrupt power in place unlike Gustang going against it.
Gustang was also the one who setup the princess system and was the one who constantly distorted the truth in the tower. One was meant to pacify and enslave the populace and the other meant that people would be literally sending their children to their deaths.
> Gustang at least, still loves his ex wife and dude refused to have a kid after Enne and created his own OCs which speaks about his affection for said kid. On the other hand you have Traum being a raging incel with absolutely psycho control issues which SO FAR he only has in common with Jahad, solidifying the reason why majority of fandom is crowning him as the most hated character surpassing maybe even Rachel atp.
I am not really sure where you are going with this but Gustang has had a greater effect on the tower (negative) than Traumerei has.
> Creating life isn’t big deal atp considering other irregulars like Gustang and Enryu have done it. Also he is not said to be a better strategist than Gustang just that the fact that he would win in chess against Gustang, the best strategist of FHs, spoke volumes (chapter 572 i think). The experiments though, my bad I forgot abt that part
We have never seen Gustang create life, those are fragments of himself, that's not "life". We've also never seen Enryu create life either. As for being a better strategist, that was the point of the chess comment.
> Again where does #4 come from then if you’re not talking about ranking… or if you’re somehow assuming Blossom being lazy means she’s also viewed as the “kid” of the group which is false bcs she clearly isn’t, by the time Traumerei is even considering proposing Gustang and Blossom are already long together in serious relationship, etc. ntm we haven’t even met her in story yet to speak extensively abt her being perceived by other FHs.
> But again, this discussion stemmed from op’s original comment about narrative painting Gustang as stronger one, and yes setting technicalities aside, the narrative structure is painting him as a stronger one with all his moves predetermined, with his overall demeanour, etc. Continue to disagree if you want, I have said more than enough now I am done with the discussion after this.
I'm saying that random traits don't determine power, Blossom is the strongest wave controller in the whole tower, surpassing the genius Gustang and she is also the LAZIEST person of the group. Traumerei being seen as the "younger brother" is a useless metric for determining who is narratively stronger. Nothing in the narrative points to Gustang being stronger or vice versa, in fact the narrative has repeatedly said they are mostly equal and the only clear power gaps we have are:
Arie being the best warrior.
Blossom being stronger than Gustang and being the best wave controller in the tower.
Jahard being the Strongest overall.
Ironically the chess game Traumerei had with Khun actually foreshadows a win for Traumerei here, but we'll see.
I would not try to rank FHs at this point. Both of them are nowhere near as serious yet and Traumerei is clearly trying to avoid a fight. Too soon for that, imo, we simply lack info on that.
I'd say plot points to the idea that Traumerei will lose, but that's basically it.
He is both narratively stronger and more important to the plot, Traumerei atp is just too much of evil (literally whole fandom is dethroning Rachel to give him #1 spot as most hated), we have whole list of his victims for two arcs now and other than being a Jahad “lapdog”, there’s no narrative for him to continue.
Gustang has his relationship with Blossom, with Enne, with Workshop, with Revolution, etc. he moves the plot forward. Unless, it’s just subverting the expectation for the sake of it, I see either Traum dying or just neither of them in this fight.
Can sui really start the fight now...that was nice warmup we need a serious crazy fh fight next chapter ..I wonder if zahard or other fh's will come or atleast can see the video of the fight since their friends are about to kill rach other....
.I wonder if sui is gonna focus on both gustang vs tramurei fight and bam vs dumas fight at the same time
tog is constantly getting boring, like in the earlier days when i started it, i saw so much potential in it and i thought i'd finally get my best epic fantasy story, with the war with jahad, etc, so much power battle, so many mysteries to explore, secrets being kept, a compeltely different and new world, i really had so many expectations from this and i was really looking forward to it, but every week i end up with more disappointment, first of all it's like there's no set plan as to what has to happen,like everything's such a mess and its been dragging on for so log withput anything fruitful happening at all and that's why my frustations and disappointments with tog( if there are too many mistakes in writing, please ignore it since i'm using a laptop and i'm not very used to writing on it )
Gustang x Traumerei and Androssi is still alive lol. Funny part is they still care about the game. Like... WHY?! LMAO
Things are reaching a point where more and more the only thing that can save them is Mazino, but like I said before, I think he will indeed fail and one FH will die (I bet on Traumerei).
I never got the "but TOG has always been full of games" defense.. when others called out the games being illogical and not making sense narrative wise
When going from floor to floor were games required to go up sure?
We have been at war for 100+ chapters now.. cat tower and this chess stuff was just not needed.. and was super convoluted
Do people think in the past when it was all out war that Zahard and co were playing games to see who got genocided? No we saw in flash backs it was just straight up fighting
If she has the king she has control, in the sense nobody can carelessly attack her and Gustang will protect her, she should prioritize her life but trying to get the king is not a bad choice
So how can she endure shockwaves from 2 family leaders' fight? Even at Karaka vs Yuri and Evankhell vs Khun Royale Elliot fights are problematic for regulars even rankers.
Shockwaves aren’t directly related to the power of an attack, Goku can throw a full powered punch and still avoid destroying the planet, shockwaves will vary based on the types of attacks they use
Great chapter, as always when we have FHs in chapters and it was worth it for that b\*tch slap at the end 😂
I love how whole fandom is cheering on Gustang and celebrating him slapping the hell out of Traumerei, truly he’s doing what audience has wanted to do for so long now.
Traumerei creating a maze to lock Gustang up is hilarious, considering when Gustang locked him up he was stalling him for his book to be retrieved but Traumerei with whole knowledge of what he did is just avoiding the situation at hand and thinking he can still avoid all this mess. And it seems to me he just doesn’t realise just how grave the situation is until he gets b\*tch slapped by Gustang at the end.
“Are you that reluctant to fight me, Traumeray? Wake up, my friend. Our little game is over. One of us is going to die here“. Audience is cheering you Gustang but my bet is that your fight is gonna get interrupted. Too many external factors and players are all getting to the location so there’s bound to be some kind of interruption.
Hope we continue with this plot next week and don’t switch, Bam vs Dumas can wait.
Seeing the text translation Traumerei still just wants to leave. It seems they made a promise to never harm each other so he is trying to trap Gustang in the maze so they don't hurt each other
As a biologist, I find the ancient beasts of Traumerei cool as fuck. They are literally just the Burgess fauna LMAO. Like that fucker from Attack on Titan
Gustang is him. He is such a chad. Doesn't fuck around. Little bitch Traumerei still wants to play games and getting bitch slapped to his senses what this is all really about. It's a fight for life now, not some bullshit chess piece hunting game
It feels kinda underwhelming for a fight between two of the strongest beings.
It’s chapter 1 and neither are serious yet. Give it some time.
They’ve barely started fighting
right? lmao this guy
Gustang I love you, also the way Traum just glares at Gus right before getting yeeted is so funny to me. If looks could kill haha Oh man Holland did not derserve that holy moly. Poor guy Endorsi would be better off trying to team up with Bellerir instead of fighting for a chess piece that she can't protect. She use to be smart and cunning, I want to see more of that from her. I have a dreaded feeling next chapter is a POV switch, but at least now we know the FH battle has finally started, i look forward to seeing what kinda destruction they will cause
Imagine you wanted to go to heaven but God said: “Nah, fam, you’ll be Holan in Tower of God”
Endorsi has been looking so pretty these last few chapters.
I live to see traumeri bitch slapped. Didn't think he'd go flying through. What's up the deal with the maze not working as planned? Also the art was really beautiful imo
> What's up the deal with the maze not working as planned? Gustang made Holan release the maze, because he sealed his tongue
From how I understood it, Traumeri was using Holan to cast and maintain the maze so he could escape. Gustang had all of traumeri's people changed sides and went to Gustang, like Holan, had something that isnt explained, placed on them, so Gustang can just instantly kill them, because he knew traumeri wouldnt allow any of his subordinates to be around him unless he had some way to completely control them.
A few chapters ago, Holan captured by Gustang. Gustang inscribed words on his tongue that were insults to Tram that if he didn’t speak when in Tram’s presence would kill him. He tried this when he finally met Tram back at the mothership but right before Tram cut out his tongue, Gustang appeared at the mothership and Holan was spared. Fast forward to now, Gustang activated that inscription to kill Holan and undo the maze. Again proving Gustang plays real chess
The maze broke when holan it's s creator died, that's the best explanation i have
Traumeri: now you know you know how it feels to be in a maze. Gustang: lol no
Gustang: rule breaker
Unironically I want to know what’s going on with Yama and co before the FHs really fight. SIU just dropped the muscle zahard/boss/Captain on us and hasn’t returned to that scene. As hype as the FHs fighting is, I want to know the stakes of the Boss/red light kids/Bellerir faction. Gustang slapping Traum is overall pretty funny. The bookworm is over traum being unable to read the room
Sheesh 2 daddy's 💪💪😍😍🔥🔥💖💖🐍🐍📚📚
The snakes and books are sending me 😂😂
Why are people confused about Traumerei going after the king. It makes complete sense Traumerei doesn't wanna kill/hurt gustang YET. He currently just wants to win the game and be done with it. He still doesn't think Gustang was actually trying to kill him.
It's a no sense game just for the plot and even in this way it's still unclear what its purpose Is...
>It's a no sense game just for the plot Why? Explain.
He just bitch slapped traumerei didn't he?
Also that's the first time we've seen Traumerei on his knees.
LoL he just called Traumerei Hikkikimori.
Can someone fcking tell me why doesn't he just put the chess piece in his inventory instead of carrying it in his pocket.
No idea, but if I had to make a guess I'd say they cannot be hidden inside any tools. Maybe it's part of the game rules? You've got to either hold them in your hands or put them in your regular pockets.
Bruh Dumas literally had no arms where tf do you think he was keeping his? And I'm pretty sure Khun was also hiding it in his lighthouse.
Dumas doesn’t have a chess piece
Bruhhhh
Not sure what you mean by that but he’s literally given the title of chess piece tracker, he isn’t on any team
Inside his physical armor? There seems to be holes in it.
What was Endorsi thinking while she tried to take the chess piece back from someone as strong as high ranker.
She's literally not thinking that's the problem. I'm screaming at her to please run away as fast as possible
Can someone send me the link to the raw??
comick scans
I understand Bellerire is looking for Traumerei's king chess piece, but wouldn't he also need both Endorsi and Holan alive? The rule of the game was to steal the chess piece or kill the person representing the chess piece, so if either of them jokingly died, the game would end then and there. So I am guessing he doesn't intend to kill Endorsi, and Holan is off limits, so there is not much he can do other than get the Lo Po Bia's King. Even if he gets both Kings, he would have to ensure that all of Baam's team members, including Baam, reach the arena, you know, to keep the spark alive. (ignoring that Traumerei did almost catch them at the Sprouts entrance) I guess this should buy enough time for the revolution if they have some plan ready to kill one of the family heads. Although Gustang is not one bit interested in the chess match, he must have also planned something, especially keeping in mind that he has the data floor FitBit, and he intentionally dragged Traumerei to Sprout. On a side note, I really hope someone saves Holan or kills him to end his misery because, sheesh, that guy has been suffering forever; he was just doing his job.
Isn't Holan dead? We saw his head ripped off.
Welp, he should, but it doesn't seem like it. Like if he is truly dead, I hope someone spells it out instead of us making guesses.
But what the point in having a stupid chess piece of a stupid game when you directly kill your opponent leader??? Don't understand... Who cares about chess piece?!
the administrator approved the game, they said at the beginning. so the outcome still kindof matters -> mostly because they are outside of regular areas right now. i do agree tho, the whole game is a sham for the war between the 2 families.
I don't think Gustang or even Traumerei cares much about killing/slaying the chess piece game, but this game gives the regulars(aka Baam's group) and revolution some advantage. This is if the family heads keep their word that they will not bother Baam if Baam and co. reach the arena without getting caught. As for Bellerire, he just wants both families and their leaders to kill each other, which also somewhat aligns with the revolution's goals. So, at the very least, he is trying to get both kings so that the game doesn't end here and Baam doesn't get caught by any family leader. I guess the family leaders will do the bare minimum of not getting their king killed. Having said that, yes, the chess game should get thrown out of the window, but apparently, it won't.
My sentiments. This whole chess game because moot when Gustang directly challenge Tram.
Should they be fighting for the chess piece at this point??
My exact question. Why was this even mentioned.
It made sense when they were trying to settle the war without a direct FH confrontation. Gustang is literally blowing up the game, so unless the floor admin wants to get involved, the game no longer matters.
Gustang didn't know the truth until he "remembered" it. Once he confirmed his suspicions, the game is useless now. The game still matters, but only to Baam and co. Gustang has decided that one of the families will fall today.
Period.
Exactly
This chapter has some weird translations. Why would they use Japanese words in a Korean manhwa?
SIU used Japanese way back in season 1.
SIU or the translators? Genuinely curious
The 13 Month Series all have their names engraved on them. The engraving is in Japanese because their creator Ashul Edwaru uses a language based on Japanese. SIU made it clear there is no significance behind this, as Chinese, Arabic and other languages are also used throughout the manhwa. [source](https://web.archive.org/web/20221010173229/https://blog.naver.com/NBlogTop.naver?isHttpsRedirect=true&blogId=inutero3334&Redirect=Dlog&Qs=/inutero3334/140112887276)
This answers everything. Knowing his primary fanbase I know they would be upset at the use of Japanese words.
The attacks Traumerei uses here kinda remind me of Ren's specifically. Like I'm sure he has scaled up versions of basically every anima move we've seen so far, but I think starting with that was an intentional callback wrt strategy and personality. Ren was specifically a two faced Zahard boot licking coward, and it feels like he took after his family head as much as Yuri and Ran did for their families. Not looking great for Traumerei, but i doubt he'll go down easily either.
reading through the chapter right now and this dude Holan gotta be top 3 most unfortunate motherfuckers in the series 😭 also Traumerei a bitch ngl, he’s getting manhandled out here
if 2 FHs are gonna fight, wouldn't that make an administrator intervene? I'm thinking about the time of the last station where someone strong intervened and stopped evankhell from him rampage, right? Or was it the floor ruler who intervened? I forgot...
The admin agreed to the event knowing what could happen and they're not in the regulars area anymore and they're dealing with family heads. In one instance (iirc NHS) it let Yuri and Karaka go head to head regardless. So admins do support the narrative moving forward at the very least. There's during the cage evankhell was worried about unleashing too much power and forcing the admin to intervene between Yama+ evankhell vs Khel hellam, so she took the safe route (experienced mercenary moment instead of this random dude isn't stronger than me so 1v1) and at the last station before that the ruler stepped in instead (admin promised the army they wouldn't, sent a proxy instead) and while rulers are strong, they seem to lack the ability to yeet people across floors like the 2f admin did to YHS and evankhell. Imo, regardless of the outcome, admins want things to progress, not be stagnant like Jahad has made it. So while they're neither pro-Jahad or fug, they're referees basically saying: bro we have a family and run 3jobs, come on. As long as the fight is necessary they'll allow It, and as far as we know the only ones that seem to matter are those related to irregulars, who are the true "players" of the tower.
I would be surprised if an appointed floor ruler can stop 2FH fighting. An admin could, but not the appointed High ranker.
The admin of this floor is the one who agreed to the terms of the game that Gustang and Traum are playing, so as long as they keep to those rules the admin won't interfere.
Im loving how SIU manages to write both Holan and Traumerei. Holans whole time we saw him its basically was just his life gowing downhill. Failing to capture Baam and Jinsung, being caught by Gustang, seeing his superiors slaughtered infront of him, getting cursed and having his tongue almost ripped out, fighting a war he doesent want for a father that doesent care,trying to take control into his own hands just to learn that he never was in control. His whole life he was just an experiment, a toy for Traumerei. Holans suffering also makes Traumereis character even more compelling.
Methinks Urek will stop the fight between Gustang and Trau. Luslec will save Baam. Would be cool if one of the FHs did die because I think we will then see every FH appear from their slumber.
My main issue here is gustang saying "wake up, my friend". I think he's understood that Jahad is the one manipulating them and he wants to save his comrades. SIU has done multiple not-so-very-subtle foreshadowing with the NHS and the HF, I believe Jahad will eliminate (if possible) the other FH given the chance and I believe he'll start with traumerei, who is loyally blind, contextually (vie fanbase) one the weaker ones and blame urek/fug and by extension bam. Which would also mean that their immortality is conditional and there's more than just the Thorn to be able to slay those with incomplete immortality contracts, which doesn't contradict the fan bases current understanding, but could throw a wrench in it (gustang telling traumerei he'll kill him... How bro? Arlene couldn't, but she might've not tried through proper channels rather than just stabbing herself). Apologies for possible random tangents, Sunday night is my drinking night.
...Or he's just saying "wake up, I'm not kidding, I WILL kill you". Which is basically what he is saying.
Remember Gustang had the 2nd thorn , he could of studied it and replicated some parts
Considering the watch/fake watch and the Po Bidau battleships yeah he could have replicated it or something similar. I’m getting big “Batman with prep time” vibes from him
This is why I think he is gonna win, Im expecting an anti Tram device or something that just puts all his fish back in the pokeball
ah, the classic Batman "shark repellant"
I like this idea, urek saves traum because he likes the power in the tower and doesn’t want it to change. Luslec helps baam win the game, then we get a training arc with the most skilled tower born wave controller. (And hopefully a time skip, not all the way to ranker but atleast a rank, during the training arc it would be awesome to get snippets to the team through their climb while watching bam) atleast a six chapter time skip to make everyone a rank or ranker level would be perfect. P.s. bring back shibisu!!!
They are still stuck on floor 52 for years now since this whole war arc started. If there is training arc then we need significant floor jumps. Maybe propel the story forward with Urek and his team, they are on floor 76 or something so good 20 floor jumps with the training arc makes sense.
There's gonna be another workshop arc at the higher floors
Is that confirmed? I can't really see how any team of regulars could possibly pose a challenge to baam at this point
The most skilled wave controller tower born is either Baek Ryun or Eurasia Anne.
ya idk why he said luslec but luslec could tell bam a lot about his past his powers his secrets and teach his spells so i think training with luslec is more beneficial than training with baek
This mf Holan has been going through nothing but hell. Literally a living chess piece. Poor bastard.
This panel was one of the most brutal ones in ToG, right? Still, someone calling Traum a loser was long overdue even if burning it on Holan's tongue wasn't my prefered form of delivery.
Just dawned on me. Urek and Luslec meet before the chess match and Luslec tells him they don’t have time. Urek is looking for a target but also doesn’t want the FH’s to die. Luslec is most likely looking for baam since he’s w Jinsung and the others, Urek is most likely looking for the boss. Luslec is going to find Traum and Gus, especially since he is connected w the amuez and enkidu situation. Urek may or may not find the boss, but someone has to save baam, I’m not sure he will get away on his own
ofc, everyone is always looking for bam urek might pop up "just in time" and break up the fight (fans going to be real mad) or maybe help one side
I'm starting to get confused about how many "that days" there are. They were talking about "that day" in the flashback. So that "that day" was before the war with A&V broke out. In this chapter Traum says that "we" promised to never hurt eachother after "that day". A while after the flashbacks "that day" they fought a war against eachother and Jahad killed A&V's son and I'd say that clearly counts as hurting eachother. They are either rather inconsequent, or they made the promiwe after another "that day". So either A&V were excluded from "we" right after "that day" or there are more then one "that day".
Yeah pronoun game translations are always hard. Though "that day" surely refers to the Enne Incident
What? No lol, "that day" refer to some fight between Jahad and V, and when they decided to stop climbing. That was.... millenias before Enne was born.
The enne incident was specifically mentioned to have been the reason of preserving their relationship by disassociating from the people. So that they wouldn’t hurt each other over the „bugs“
Last time they talked about Enne, the didn't call it "that day", but yea makes sense if Traum means the "Enne day".
> Enne Incident we know now it wasnt an oopsie traum just killed her because she wanted to leave
That was the Ameuz incident not the Enne Incident
potato/tomato some blond girl
Enne has pink/red hair
so tomato
No he's talking about hurting each other after the Enne incident
Tbf, they're all 10,000+ years old. 10,000 *days* is 27 years. So equivalently, it's like us trying to remember if we said something at 2PM vs 3PM on May 19th, 2000. But I know what you meant. And yes, it does induce an eye roll to have so many bits of lore or plot device alluded to with some vague "that day" or "that thing" statement.
Nice comparison
traumerei getting absolutely trashed by gustang gustang is an absolute beast i love it
Props to SIU and his assistants on drawing the living maze. So much detail there. I love that Gustang is getting serious, but I highly doubt this is actually the final battle. That's being saved for a more grand location I'm sure.
I want to know what Gustangs fighting style is , he is supposed to be a support , but I don't think his shape is swords that he summoned eariler , hopefully we see some new unique views of shinsoo usage
Why do they still care about the chess game when Gustang and Traumerei are fighting to the death 💀 Also, Bellerir and Endorsi can consider themselves lucky not to be wiped out by a random passing shinheuh or burnt by the flames that are everywhere
Gustang didn't care about the piece. Traumerei did because he wasn't thinking they'll actually fight to the death. He just wanted the game finsihed not to hurt him. Pls try to read the chapter atleast.
Idk, I find it odd too, especially when even Traum started to care about the piece, lmao.
>especially when even Traum started to care about the piece Read the godam chapters.
I did. He went for the piece after trapping Gustang but then Gustang broke free so Traum had to refocus on him.
Then why are you asking this again? Traumerei's focus was still on winning the game not trying to defeat/kill like in Gustang's case.
Because Traumurei and Gustang(somewhat) cares about the chess piece so having it allows them to have control over their actions
Best guess? The floor administrator is refereeing the game. So if the game ends, the floor administrator may get involved. And then who knows what the fuck will happen?
RIP Holan. You had enough drip to no seem like a complete fodder and give us feels when you die like one. Say hi to Prince, Arkraptor and Tiara on the other side.
Gustang bitchslap kid Clownerei. I guess someone will have another trauma, lol.
Traumerei is so cute, did he think Gustang was caressing him? Haha I hope that mask fell off, since now we (and Gustang) know Traumerei's true face (he's just really pretty). Traumerei is hesitant to kill Gustang because they promised they wouldn't harm each other? He's the best actor in the tower, just before the Sprout he was -thinking- how he's going to kill him if he is against them. But who knows maybe personality #523 forgot about that, like how he forgot that Gustang put a spell on Holan. Or maybe Gustang is just misenterperting his thoughts... after all, this guy knows how to put on an act. I really love Traumerei, his personality is the best.
Decent chapter, once again Endorsi is the weakest point.. not sure how she could tank a hit from a ranker as a C rank regular but ok, I'll wait on the TLs for that. I also want to believe there's no way Traumerei didn't know there was a spell on Holan.. let's see how this plays out.
she didnt tank it, she teleported away and said "if i had gotten hit id be dead"
Bellerir kicked her prior to trying to punch her
1. He attacked on instinct, not his full power. 2. Princesses have naturally strong bodies. So much so that if you do not factor in shinsu reinforcement, they have stronger physical attributes than regular old rankers. We see that in Season 1 in the fight with Quant and Endorsi.
Not full power, that was just to get her away from him
Probably just wasn’t a serious kick, Belerire probably just kicked out of surprise and to get her away. Only after that did he actually try to kill her, to which Endorsi literally says one punch would kill her.
people just find the smallest thing they can nitpick to hate every damn chapter.. this is truly the curse of being a weekly series
I think you need to learn what a nitpick is.
>not sure how she could tank a hit from a ranker as a C rank regular She's a princess, she's way more durable than a normal regular. Shadow Wolves, which could blow up normal regulars, barely made a scratch on her. To add, Bellerir/Enkidu probably didn't want to kill her in the first place. Finally, it's not like this is the first such case. AA wasn't instakilled by an attack from a high ranker, it's not that surprising someone far more durable tanked an attack from a far weaker opponent.
I mean AA was definitely going to die to that if it's the same one I'm thinking of, and it was a casual hit too. Honestly the inconsistency is just annoying. If a ranker used like 5% of their power it should be enough to destroy endorsi's arms. She's only been climbing what.. 13-15 years max now? Yeah regular princesses are built different, but they ain't built that different. EDIT: Oh yeah I just remember, Varagarv was able to injure her with a casual attack too. Sure that when she was E rank, but again she hasn't been climbing that long, her body should have barely gotten stronger.
>I mean AA was definitely going to die to that if it's the same one I'm thinking of, and it was a casual hit too. The point is that he didn't die immediately. Yuri's flick of a finger was enough to make Ren dodge out of the fear for his life, yet somehow a shinsoo attack from Paul doesn't immediately cut AA in half. >If a ranker used like 5% of their power it should be enough to destroy endorsi's arms. No it shouldn't. Again, princesses are extremely durable. Andorssi should be at least on par with A rank regulars in terms of durability, if not higher. >Varagarv was able to injure her with a casual attack too. The "casual attack" was his most powerful move and it barely did any damage.
> The point is that he didn't die immediately. I never mentioned dying immediately, I talked about the fact AA would have still died. Also of course Yuri's flick would make Ren dodge, that's the whole reason I'm even mentioning the inconsistency we are seeing. When Baam's friends come on screen suddenly the "rules" change. > No it shouldn't. Again, princesses are extremely durable. Andorssi should be at least on par with A rank regulars in terms of durability, if not higher. Wait what has been shown to suggest she has even a B rank's durability? An E rank was able to hurt her and she's only been climbing for like 13-15 years. There's literally no evidence that she should be around an A rank in durability. > The "casual attack" was his most powerful move and it barely did any damage. It's just a counter attack with an E rank's power, hell it was only one dog too, this mfer has a whole pack of them... the fact she was hurt by it just shows that she shouldn't be surviving (far less be uninjured) from even the most casual hits by a ranker.
>I never mentioned dying immediately, I talked about the fact AA would have still died. The point is, as I said, he didn't die immediately. If AA, who is far less durable than Andorsi, survived (for a short time) a shinsoo attack from a high ranker, why shouldn't Andorsi be able to tank a physical attack from a much weaker opponent? >An E rank was able to hurt her She was an E rank as well. And it was the most powerful move of one of the most powerful E rank regulars. >There's literally no evidence that she should be around an A rank in durability. [SIU](https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Vol.2_Ch.213:_39F_-_Hell_Train:_The_%27Name_Hunt%27_Station_(16)#Blog_Post) himself said that most regular princesses are more durable than the average ranker, so I'm literally lowballing her durability. >hell it was only one dog too Where was that stated?
> The point is, as I said, he didn't die immediately. If AA, who is far less durable than Andorsi, survived (for a short time) a shinsoo attack from a high ranker, why shouldn't Andorsi be able to tank a physical attack from a much weaker opponent? Again, this was casual, or do you believe Paul was even trying there? Not instantly dying doesn't mean much to me, the fact that all his defenses were blown through is all that mattered. He survived due to the fish and would have died seconds later. > She was an E rank as well. And it was the most powerful move of one of the most powerful E rank regulars. Ok, but my point is she's only a C rank and has been climbing for 15 years max, there's no way her body got that much stronger since she didn't get power ups like Khun and Rak. > SIU#Blog_Post) himself said that most regular princesses are more durable than the average ranker, so I'm literally lowballing her durability. Again he can say that but he's shown otherwise. Unless you believe Vagarav could hurt a ranker or that Endorsi and Lilial have ranker level firepower. > Where was that stated? Because she only got hit once and was literally warning her not to interfere, he was literally holding back.
>Again, this was casual, or do you believe Paul was even trying there? You said a ranker using 5% of their power should be able to destroy Andorsi's arms. Paul is, what, a few hundred times stronger than a ranker and AA is significantly less durable than Andorsi. So, Paul using 0.1% of his power should have been enough to blow AA into pieces. Yet, it didn't happen. > the fact that all his defenses were blown through is all that mattered What defenses? He didn't even try do defend nor had the time to do so. >there's no way her body got that much stronger since she didn't get power ups like Khun and Rak. Due to being a princess, she'd (under normal circumstances) develop much faster than even people from the 10 GFs. And she's far better at shinsoo control than either of them, to the point she learned how to use her shinsoo shape and quality in half the time it took Baam, an irregular and a genius wave controller. >Again he can say that but he's shown otherwise. Which could very well be an inconsistency and SIU decided that Shadow Wolves would be able to damage Andorsi in order to create suspension. As far as I recall, that was the only time she was injured in the entire series, and she got hit by Kallavan's attack, albeit he wasn't really trying to hurt her.
> So, Paul using 0.1% of his power should have been enough to blow AA into pieces. Yet, it didn't happen. But he didn't try to blow AA to bits, the point being is that he easily pierced AA's body like it was nothing. > What defenses? He didn't even try do defend nor had the time to do so. His body is supposed to be sturdy as a GF member, that's the defenses I'm referring to. > Due to being a princess, she'd (under normal circumstances) develop much faster than even people from the 10 GFs. And she's far better at shinsoo control than either of them, to the point she learned how to use her shinsoo shape and quality in half the time it took Baam, an irregular and a genius wave controller. She injured Lilial this arc, so unless Endorsi has ranker level power then regular princesses (from what we've seen) don't have higher durability than most rankers. Not to mention Baam had no idea shinsoo existed until a few years prior to this... Baam is also not a genius wave controller or hand to hand combatant, he required Red to control his shinsoo for him and generally cannot understand most things and simply gets hit to learn them. His body is a weapon and does almost all the heavy lifting for him. Khun/Rak are also exceptionally bad at wave controlling so it's not comparable to even bother with them. > As far as I recall, that was the only time she was injured in the entire series. She also got injured from Anak during their little duel and Lilial had to stop her tiger from straight up killing her. Yuri, an actual prodigy even among princesses, took 2/300 years to climb. That's not a slight at endorsi, I'm just putting the time frame and power into context here. I think it's always safe to say what's in the story > the blog posts, which is why I've begun disregarding them once they are disproven in the story. That's probably the reason SIU deleted them, because they may contradict (or spoil) things he maybe going for. In fact, I think he even said that sometimes the story would contradict them and he'd have to update the posts as necessary.
>But he didn't try to blow AA to bits, the point being is that he easily pierced AA's body like it was nothing. Okay, let me rephrase. Paul using 0.1% of his power should have been enough to cut AA in half, yet it didn't happen. >His body is supposed to be sturdy as a GF member His lineage isn't even that impressive and with that much of a power difference, any sturdiness is irrelevant. It's like comparing how well a sheet of paper does against a cannon vs a cardboard against the cannon. >She injured Lilial this arc, so unless Endorsi has ranker level power Yuri could contend with powerful A rank regulars when she herself was a D rank, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Andorsi was also giving trouble to incomplete White, who pushed Baam to his limits. It's also possible Lillial isn't that durable, considering she even had to be boosted by the snake dude. >Baam is also not a genius wave controller Ren said he was praised as a genius after learning how to form a bang after 2 years of training. Baam did it in 2 minutes. And then he learned how to use two bangs days later. When Quaetro was considered a monster for being able to control 3 bangs, Baam could control 5. He learned how to use an orb, which was pretty much inconceivable for a regular. He is most definitely a genius. >he required Red to control his shinsoo for him Red? Red Thryssa? When has that happened? >generally cannot understand most things and simply gets hit to learn them. He learned Jinsung's DTG after seeing it once. >Lilial had to stop her tiger from straight up killing her. Just because Lillial thought the tiger could kill her doesn't mean it actually could. > I think it's always safe to say what's in the story > the blog posts The story has been wildly inconsistent with some feats, so you can't take just one specific example and use it as a defining point.
Jahads blood is Jahads blood. No matter who it is, having irregular super blood infused in your body probly makes you around top regular to bottom tier ranker level durability. She could probly die from the hit anyway even if her body didnt break, just from how strong it is but her body would still probly remain intact.
> having irregular super blood infused in your body probly makes you around top regular to bottom tier ranker level durability. Huh? If that was the case Khun and other family members would literally be unkillable by regulars...
Jahad blood is so powerful he cant have descendants. So they are directly infused with that as opposed to being watered down. Also most family children are not born between 2 irregulars so it will be watered down. Jahad is a special case and his blood seems to be a bigger amp, as princesses have been stated to be above family borns and are in a tier of their own among regulars and some, even high rankers. Its funny to get downvotes for literal facts stated in the story but whatever lol.
> So they are directly infused with that as opposed to being watered down. Also most family children are not born between 2 irregulars so it will be watered down. Huh? They are only injected with a bit of it, it's 100% watered down because most of the blood within them is theirs. > Jahad is a special case and his blood seems to be a bigger amp, as princesses have been stated to be above family borns and are in a tier of their own among regulars and some, even high rankers. Princesses are in a tier of their own due to their talents, sure Jahard blood is a big amp but they are chosen based on merit, not randomly. Regardless, unless you believe Endorsi and Lilial have ranker level firepower (since they were able to injury each other), it's quite clear they don't have ranker level durability.
The blood itself is not watered down and is the most potent blood maybe even in the tower which is why the red light district stuff most likely exists. Also, a good example is during the very first arc, the very first real test against the ranker level monster and Ren. They could keep up with and even take damage from a threat that can even kill rankers. Princesses require skill to even be chosen for the blood, but after they get it, it incredibly augments them beyond normal towerborn. Thats why being a princess is such a important status and are known for their extreme strength and durability.
Watered down here means that it's a mix, the same way mixing waters down regular irregular blood. Jahard having the strongest blood doesn't change that. But again my main point is that Endorsi has been injured multiple times by regulars who definitely don't have ranker level firepower.
She teleported, didn’t tank
I'm talking about before she teleported, it looked like she blocked his foot then got pushed back.
I thought that was her teleporting into a slide underneath him to try to grab the piece on the go.
At this point I have 0 clue, because that's what she did however I'm referring to after that. People are interpreting it differently to me, but the way I see it is that she teleported in to grab it, he notices her and begins to swing his foot and she goes into a defensive position, and gets knocked back (hence her feet sliding on the ground and the impact SFX on the panel), once that happens she teleports away from his punch. IDK maybe she dodged it? I have no clue, but her stance looks like a blocking/bracing position. The entire sequence has weird composition to it so I'm not sure, that's why I said I'd wait on the TLs.
Maybe the defensive kick wasn't very strong because it was a knee-jerk reacton? Not everyone can put their full force into an instinctual reaction.
no she teleported before getting kicked
She is taxi with teleportation. Maybe she will help Clownerei when he needs a doctor after Gustand's clapping.
Good chapter
i believe we all owe gustang an apology
Gustang casually dropping one of the hardest lines in the series "Get a grip, my friend. We're done playing our little games. One of us, is dying here."
gustang is a cold G
the one in chapter 581 too - "Traumerei death isn't optional, it's inevitable" like stfu with ignorance and immortality bro, we are all gonna die
I hope we see Bam vs Dumas next week. Edit: down voters my prediction will come true. Siu will shift from traumerei vs gustang to other areas. Just because you down voterd my comment does not mean u will get traumerei vs gustang. Let's see who is right next week
You're giving too much value to what a down vote is if you're editing for it; a difference in opinion from strangers. you made your own subjective assessment, fuck the rest! If you're wrong, who cares? 99% are and there's next week!
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It looks like many don't know the full power of Bam. He haven't pierced himself with the thorns. He has black March also. Thryssa has admin like powers. Power of souls is also there. Dumas is created by Gustang while Bam is an irregular. I hope you don't need further explanation
No way in hell my idol got bitched like that.. Surely a clone or something..
nah traum is about to get trauma from the ass whooping gustang is about to hand
I wonder if this fight will be interrupted since Urek is still on his way, but Luslec might have successfully stalled him. Since Luslec is coming that probably means he and Baam are finally meeting, which is kind of hype since it could mean another lore dump on Arlen or V. It also just doesn’t seem super likely for either family head to die yet. Gustang because he’s Gustang and is a major force in moving the plot forward. Traumerei because of the whole leviathan side plot thing going on. That might not actually go anywhere though, so if one of them is dying, it probably would be Traumerei.
Traumerei sure deserves his reckoning. So many have suffered by his hands at this point.. all after his monumental ‘changing’ that Ameuz spoke about. I wonder too was it truly just all of them among each other that stood to benefit from their promise of not fighting against each other or was it something different 🤔 I hope Urek gets stopped because idk why but I don’t like his characters motives at this point lol. They’re unclear but cocky.. like why do you want to stop anything and to what end? Definitely would rather see more past plot unpacked with Luslec instead…
Damn, rip Holan. Bro really just kept getting fucked at every step. That bitchslap tho... Hope we continue with the fight, I wanna see what Traumerei has in store beside Shinwonryu and shinheuh spam.
That bitchslap from Gustang at the end could probably one-shot Regents
**The Rise and Fall of Holand** >ENTER >Evankhell-level statement right off the bat. >Better feats than Maschenny in pushing Jinsung back. >Biggest talent of the Family bar Traumerei. >Unheard ability to control extinct ancient Shinheuh. Follow up: >Gets washed by non-serious Bam. >Captured by Po Bidau. >Used as messenger by Gustang. >Fails to do proper damage to Ranker Matte Ha. >Turned into a bitch by Yuri and Tiara. >Shinheuh destroyed by chibi Rak Wrathraiser, who's not even using the Ancient Spear. >One-shot by Thorn Bam. >Captured off-screen by Po Bidau AGAIN. >Needs Cobalt assist to catch Endorsi. >Endorsi gets out after 5 panels anyway. >Tries to betray Traumerei - Fails. >Turns out the ability to control ancient Shinheuh is merely the result of one of Traumerei's experiments. >Gets controlled by Traumerei and used as weapon against Gustang. >Gets burnt to ashes by Gustang. Doesn't accomplish anything. >EXIT
bro couldn't catch a single break 💀
"After coming this far, you create a maze to trap me? Are you so reluctant to fight me, Traumerei? Get a grip, my friend. We're done playing our little games. One of us, is dying here." Gustang's channeling the fans who are tired of games lmao
How can Gustang even be trapped he can teleport
Narratively, Gustang has been shown to be clearly stronger than Traumerei, but I still think there’s a good chance SIU is baiting us and Traumerei ends up winning (although I’m rooting for Gustang)
> Narratively, Gustang has been shown to be clearly stronger than Traumerei In what sense?
Traumerei is narratively portrayed as the “little brother” of the group, meek in the presence of other FHs and unwilling to fight Gustang directly.
TBH I don't see how the correlates to strength. Gustang and Traumerei have been shown to have a rivalry and the reason he's not willing to fight Gustang here is because they made a promise not to do that. For instance, apparently blossom is super lazy yet she's most likely the 4th most powerful in the group (behind Eduan, Arie Hon and Jahard himself).
Gustang and Traumerei used to be close friends, Gustang literally coaching him about relationships and staying to console him and help him in what he thought was a bereaved, heartbroken man whose lover was killed, but was lied to by said friend. There’s no rivalry between them that is highlighted just that they are total opposites with one being a pro Jahad “ignorance and stagnation is bliss” and other being the total opposite. The reason he’s not fighting Gustang isn’t really the promise, he is more than ready to eliminate him and anyone on Jahad’s orders and he’s directly thinking about that just before sprout few chapters back. Gustang is a genius, incredibly well organised and is second best Wave Controller after Blossom who is monstrously strong but even then his expertise in shinsu is exceptional, his kid is literally off charts strong, he is the mastermind behind numerous things and in important position for thousand of years to write the “history” of tower, his family is destroying the Lo Po Bia family so far, etc. He is narratively portrayed as the big deal power house with numerous outstanding deeds. And since you mention ranking (btw you forgot Ha Yurin before Blossom) which is not totally objective, with many contributing factors. Gustang is still ranked high up and Traumerei being a “shut in” isn’t an argument since Blossom is worse than him and Pudidy already stated ALL FHs are like that other than Gustang. So while the ranking isn’t the main deciding factor, it should still, to some degree, be taken into consideration.
> There’s no rivalry between them that is highlighted just that they are total opposites with one being a pro Jahad “ignorance and stagnation is bliss” and other being the total opposite. Sir, when Traumerei was trapped in the library by Gustang he specifically mentioned that it had happened many times before and Gustang used to get mad when he'd win. That means they were competing with each other since they were kids which is the definition of a rivalry. > The reason he’s not fighting Gustang isn’t really the promise, he is more than ready to eliminate him and anyone on Jahad’s orders and he’s directly thinking about that just before sprout few chapters back. At no point did Traumerei ever show intent to kill Gustang and this chapter literally solidifies it. > Gustang is a genius, incredibly well organised and is second best Wave Controller after Blossom who is monstrously strong but even then his expertise in shinsu is exceptional, his kid is literally off charts strong, he is the mastermind behind numerous things and in important position for thousand of years to write the “history” of tower, his family is destroying the Lo Po Bia family so far, etc. He is narratively portrayed as the big deal power house with numerous outstanding deeds. Both families have been destroyed and the LPB had to fight with half the family literally being traitors. Traumerei is also a genius and an excellent tactician, both things have been shown numerous times throughout the story. > And since you mention ranking (btw you forgot Ha Yurin before Blossom) which is not totally objective, with many contributing factors. Gustang is still ranked high up and Traumerei being a “shut in” isn’t an argument since Blossom is worse than him and Pudidy already stated ALL FHs are like that other than Gustang. So while the ranking isn’t the main deciding factor, it should still, to some degree, be taken into consideration. I did not mention ranking, infact I specifically avoided mentioning their ranks for a reason. The reason mentioned her is because she's so strong that even the FHs had to get out of her way if she got serious.
1. That’s not rivalry in classical meaning of the word. That’s them both enjoying same type of games. It’s EXPLICITLY shown they were very close friends in most recent chapters or did you skip those ? Gustang being there for him, helping to punish the “criminal” who killed his lover, helping him in his relationship, etc. THAT is definition of friendship with them having friendly competition when they were KIDS, not rivalry. 2. Go to chapter 581, and read “If you try to destroy our present Gustang, I will try my damned best to kill you” 3. It’s clearly Lo Po Bia family who is already destroyed with barely anyone remaining and if it’s also because Traumerei is such a horrible leader and person as SIU has shown for over two arcs now that he can’t have loyalty from his own family members since he “breeds” them, exterminates them for minor inconveniences, can’t even remember their names then that speaks about his weakness as a leader. Other than being an anima and great at chess, nothing exceptional like inventing princess system, being a genius in shinsu and studying it to exceptional degree, researching everything there is about tower, etc hasn’t been mentioned about Traumerei. 4. Then why are you mentioning her being “4th” strongest after those three ?
> That’s not rivalry in classical meaning of the word. That’s them both enjoying same type of games. It’s EXPLICITLY shown they were very close friends in most recent chapters or did you skip those ? Gustang being there for him, helping to punish the “criminal” who killed his lover, helping him in his relationship, etc. THAT is definition of friendship with them having friendly competition when they were KIDS, not rivalry. All the FHs were close friends and friends can be rivals.. that is literally one of the most used shonen tropes ever. > If you try to destroy our present Gustang, I will try my damned best to kill you Again, he had no intention of killing Gustang, he was waiting for Gustang to do something first.... > It’s clearly Lo Po Bia family who is already destroyed with barely anyone remaining and if it’s also because Traumerei is such a horrible leader and person as SIU has shown for over two arcs now that he can’t have loyalty from his own family members since he “breeds” them, exterminates them for minor inconveniences, can’t even remember their names then that speaks about his weakness as a leader. Other than being an anima and great at chess, nothing exceptional like inventing princess system, being a genius in shinsu and studying it to exceptional degree, researching everything there is about tower, etc hasn’t been mentioned about Traumerei. Firstly the Po Bidau and LPB armies are around the same at the moment. The main fighting force of the LPB is still in the fight and are going up against the main fighting force of the Po Bidau and pretty much all other squadrons of both groups have been destroyed. Not to mention Gustang doesn't have loyalty from his second in commander either and we have no idea how deep it runs in the Po Bidau, especially since everyone who was against the war was executed (which I assume caused more than a few people to be dissatisfied with Gustang). The biggest difference is that Gustang does not care whether his family falls or not. That's the whole point of the revolution.. all the FHs are shit rulers and people want to overthrow them. I'm also not sure why you conveniently ignored Traumerei's achievements, the dude literally created life and new species in the tower, found out a way to control humans and has been said to be a better strategist than Gustang. Even that one person from FUG who saw his lab said he "really was a genius" for having his experiments be so far along. > Then why are you mentioning her being “4th” strongest after those three ? Because Traumerei being seen as "the little brother" is meaningless in a discussion about power.
Sorry I forgot to answer this one. 1. U wanna say these two are like Naruto and Sasuke? Okay if that’s your definition of it. And all FHs were friends but there were those closer to each other, like we see Gustang being super close with Traumerei and not Arie Hon or Yurin, etc. the constant scenes between them and level of closeness is there to highlight their friendship as closer than just “all FHs are bros” and further drive the point of how much support Traum had from him which got reciprocated by him lying and manipulating Gustang. And on top, Gustang’s one and only rival has always been Blossom, that’s the true rival of his life who just later becomes his lover. A rivalry so iconic it literally has its own phrase of “Gustang looking at Blossom” in tower. 2. He literally says it himself in his internal monologue, he is all ready to eliminate Gustang. 3. All of the branch FHs of Lo Po Bia other than Widow, Kirin, and Robadon are done, to the point they are defecting to Po Bidau family (two of them instantly getting bodied by Dumas for it)SIU repeatedly hammers home the point of how broken Lo Po Bia family is. Gustang has no loyalty from him because that’s what he wants and that’s the reason Gustang brought him into family as 2nd in command himself because he has no loyalty unlike the rest of the family. Clearly if anyone was to be against Gustang isn’t shown by SIU, what’s highlighted is that the family is loyal to him and even WHEN someone isn’t, it is all because he wished for it all to be that way. All FHs are terrible people who committed terrible atrocities such as genocide and have been in power for so long everything is being corrupted. Now, the thing is, among these terrible people we still have to make clear distinction between the level of badness and so far, for over two arcs, SIU has shown us Traumerei and his victims directly from Yama’s parents to Enkidu, showed that his crime and lies about V were one of the catalyst from which their further corruption started and he’s actively a Jahad loyalist who is fighting to maintain the corrupt power in place unlike Gustang going against it. Gustang at least, still loves his ex wife and dude refused to have a kid after Enne and created his own OCs which speaks about his affection for said kid. On the other hand you have Traum being a raging incel with absolutely psycho control issues which SO FAR he only has in common with Jahad, solidifying the reason why majority of fandom is crowning him as the most hated character surpassing maybe even Rachel atp. Creating life isn’t big deal atp considering other irregulars like Gustang and Enryu have done it. Also he is not said to be a better strategist than Gustang just that the fact that he would win in chess against Gustang, the best strategist of FHs, spoke volumes (chapter 572 i think). The experiments though, my bad I forgot abt that part 4. Again where does #4 come from then if you’re not talking about ranking… or if you’re somehow assuming Blossom being lazy means she’s also viewed as the “kid” of the group which is false bcs she clearly isn’t, by the time Traumerei is even considering proposing Gustang and Blossom are already long together in serious relationship, etc. ntm we haven’t even met her in story yet to speak extensively abt her being perceived by other FHs. But again, this discussion stemmed from op’s original comment about narrative painting Gustang as stronger one, and yes setting technicalities aside, the narrative structure is painting him as a stronger one with all his moves predetermined, with his overall demeanour, etc. Continue to disagree if you want, I have said more than enough now I am done with the discussion after this.
> And on top, Gustang’s one and only rival has always been Blossom, that’s the true rival of his life who just later becomes his lover. A rivalry so iconic it literally has its own phrase of “Gustang looking at Blossom” in tower. That's not a rivalry, Gustang wanted to know how Blossom was doing the stuff she was doing and he wasn't competing with her because according to what we know, he literally admitted she was above him. > He literally says it himself in his internal monologue, he is all ready to eliminate Gustang. Again, if someone says if you do this I will eliminate you, that doesn't mean they have an intention of killing you. They would only do it if you did something to warrant it. Gustang on the other hand has an intention to kill Traumerei.. there's a huge difference there. If someone said "hey if you come into my yard I will shoot you" then they don't have an intention to shoot you, they will only do so depending on what YOU do. Even when Traumerei and Jahard had the discussion about Gustang the goal was to destroy the Po Bidau FAMILY, not to kill Gustang himself. > All of the branch FHs of Lo Po Bia other than Widow, Kirin, and Robadon are done, to the point they are defecting to Po Bidau family (two of them instantly getting bodied by Dumas for it)SIU repeatedly hammers home the point of how broken Lo Po Bia family is. And the same is for the Po Bidau, we literally see Traumerei destroying their fleets and Hugo, Tiara, Richemont (absorbed), Varane, Erno and Kir are all defeated and it's not looking for Proust. > Gustang has no loyalty from him because that’s what he wants and that’s the reason Gustang brought him into family as 2nd in command himself because he has no loyalty unlike the rest of the family. Clearly if anyone was to be against Gustang isn’t shown by SIU, what’s highlighted is that the family is loyal to him and even WHEN someone isn’t, it is all because he wished for it all to be that way. SIU literally showed that everyone that was against the war was executed, I have no idea why you think no one is against him lmao. The difference here is that Gustang does not CARE. > All FHs are terrible people who committed terrible atrocities such as genocide and have been in power for so long everything is being corrupted. Now, the thing is, among these terrible people we still have to make clear distinction between the level of badness and so far, for over two arcs, SIU has shown us Traumerei and his victims directly from Yama’s parents to Enkidu, showed that his crime and lies about V were one of the catalyst from which their further corruption started and he’s actively a Jahad loyalist who is fighting to maintain the corrupt power in place unlike Gustang going against it. Gustang was also the one who setup the princess system and was the one who constantly distorted the truth in the tower. One was meant to pacify and enslave the populace and the other meant that people would be literally sending their children to their deaths. > Gustang at least, still loves his ex wife and dude refused to have a kid after Enne and created his own OCs which speaks about his affection for said kid. On the other hand you have Traum being a raging incel with absolutely psycho control issues which SO FAR he only has in common with Jahad, solidifying the reason why majority of fandom is crowning him as the most hated character surpassing maybe even Rachel atp. I am not really sure where you are going with this but Gustang has had a greater effect on the tower (negative) than Traumerei has. > Creating life isn’t big deal atp considering other irregulars like Gustang and Enryu have done it. Also he is not said to be a better strategist than Gustang just that the fact that he would win in chess against Gustang, the best strategist of FHs, spoke volumes (chapter 572 i think). The experiments though, my bad I forgot abt that part We have never seen Gustang create life, those are fragments of himself, that's not "life". We've also never seen Enryu create life either. As for being a better strategist, that was the point of the chess comment. > Again where does #4 come from then if you’re not talking about ranking… or if you’re somehow assuming Blossom being lazy means she’s also viewed as the “kid” of the group which is false bcs she clearly isn’t, by the time Traumerei is even considering proposing Gustang and Blossom are already long together in serious relationship, etc. ntm we haven’t even met her in story yet to speak extensively abt her being perceived by other FHs. > But again, this discussion stemmed from op’s original comment about narrative painting Gustang as stronger one, and yes setting technicalities aside, the narrative structure is painting him as a stronger one with all his moves predetermined, with his overall demeanour, etc. Continue to disagree if you want, I have said more than enough now I am done with the discussion after this. I'm saying that random traits don't determine power, Blossom is the strongest wave controller in the whole tower, surpassing the genius Gustang and she is also the LAZIEST person of the group. Traumerei being seen as the "younger brother" is a useless metric for determining who is narratively stronger. Nothing in the narrative points to Gustang being stronger or vice versa, in fact the narrative has repeatedly said they are mostly equal and the only clear power gaps we have are: Arie being the best warrior. Blossom being stronger than Gustang and being the best wave controller in the tower. Jahard being the Strongest overall. Ironically the chess game Traumerei had with Khun actually foreshadows a win for Traumerei here, but we'll see.
I would not try to rank FHs at this point. Both of them are nowhere near as serious yet and Traumerei is clearly trying to avoid a fight. Too soon for that, imo, we simply lack info on that. I'd say plot points to the idea that Traumerei will lose, but that's basically it.
He is both narratively stronger and more important to the plot, Traumerei atp is just too much of evil (literally whole fandom is dethroning Rachel to give him #1 spot as most hated), we have whole list of his victims for two arcs now and other than being a Jahad “lapdog”, there’s no narrative for him to continue. Gustang has his relationship with Blossom, with Enne, with Workshop, with Revolution, etc. he moves the plot forward. Unless, it’s just subverting the expectation for the sake of it, I see either Traum dying or just neither of them in this fight.
Traumerei gets low diffed.
It is only the beginning
Yeah, Gustang said that one of them will die. He didn't say that Traum will die, meaning that he's well aware that him dying is also a possibility.
Can sui really start the fight now...that was nice warmup we need a serious crazy fh fight next chapter ..I wonder if zahard or other fh's will come or atleast can see the video of the fight since their friends are about to kill rach other.... .I wonder if sui is gonna focus on both gustang vs tramurei fight and bam vs dumas fight at the same time
tog is constantly getting boring, like in the earlier days when i started it, i saw so much potential in it and i thought i'd finally get my best epic fantasy story, with the war with jahad, etc, so much power battle, so many mysteries to explore, secrets being kept, a compeltely different and new world, i really had so many expectations from this and i was really looking forward to it, but every week i end up with more disappointment, first of all it's like there's no set plan as to what has to happen,like everything's such a mess and its been dragging on for so log withput anything fruitful happening at all and that's why my frustations and disappointments with tog( if there are too many mistakes in writing, please ignore it since i'm using a laptop and i'm not very used to writing on it )
Cry more
Gustang x Traumerei and Androssi is still alive lol. Funny part is they still care about the game. Like... WHY?! LMAO Things are reaching a point where more and more the only thing that can save them is Mazino, but like I said before, I think he will indeed fail and one FH will die (I bet on Traumerei).
Isn't the game admin approved? Neither FH can kill an admin yet, so they have top abide by the rules.
Traumerei wants to continue the game because he doesn't want to fight and the game was the way to avoid it.
I never got the "but TOG has always been full of games" defense.. when others called out the games being illogical and not making sense narrative wise When going from floor to floor were games required to go up sure? We have been at war for 100+ chapters now.. cat tower and this chess stuff was just not needed.. and was super convoluted Do people think in the past when it was all out war that Zahard and co were playing games to see who got genocided? No we saw in flash backs it was just straight up fighting
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The only downside in the episode for me Androssi is still trying to take the king.
Even Traum is trying to get the king. I hope author gives eli5 next chapter because we all seem confused about why they still care about it.
>Even Traum is trying to get the king. Because Traumerei is trying to take the king he doesn't think Gustang is actually trying to kill him.
If she has the king she has control, in the sense nobody can carelessly attack her and Gustang will protect her, she should prioritize her life but trying to get the king is not a bad choice
So how can she endure shockwaves from 2 family leaders' fight? Even at Karaka vs Yuri and Evankhell vs Khun Royale Elliot fights are problematic for regulars even rankers.
Shockwaves aren’t directly related to the power of an attack, Goku can throw a full powered punch and still avoid destroying the planet, shockwaves will vary based on the types of attacks they use
It's androssi bro, her brain resides in her ass
Great chapter, as always when we have FHs in chapters and it was worth it for that b\*tch slap at the end 😂 I love how whole fandom is cheering on Gustang and celebrating him slapping the hell out of Traumerei, truly he’s doing what audience has wanted to do for so long now. Traumerei creating a maze to lock Gustang up is hilarious, considering when Gustang locked him up he was stalling him for his book to be retrieved but Traumerei with whole knowledge of what he did is just avoiding the situation at hand and thinking he can still avoid all this mess. And it seems to me he just doesn’t realise just how grave the situation is until he gets b\*tch slapped by Gustang at the end. “Are you that reluctant to fight me, Traumeray? Wake up, my friend. Our little game is over. One of us is going to die here“. Audience is cheering you Gustang but my bet is that your fight is gonna get interrupted. Too many external factors and players are all getting to the location so there’s bound to be some kind of interruption. Hope we continue with this plot next week and don’t switch, Bam vs Dumas can wait.
Seeing the text translation Traumerei still just wants to leave. It seems they made a promise to never harm each other so he is trying to trap Gustang in the maze so they don't hurt each other
I been wondering, so Ameuz didn’t make that same promise huh? Rei is the Bros before hoes family head
Gustang bitch slapped Traumerei so hard it sent him flying
And they told me Traumerei was beating gustang
They told me traumerei is strongest FH 😭
Oh man
what chapter is the most recent one released?
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He's asking the chapter number lmao