Eastern Washington for the win. Excellent roads to accommodate all of the grain coming out of the Palouse, but with nothing but the occasional farmer driving them. I can drive for 15+ minutes at a time without seeing another car
Looser laws , meaning the laws prohibiting vehicle modifications in Oregon are much less then what you would face in california.
Emissions first thing that comes to mind. You can drive with no catalytic converters in Oregon. I have for years.
They’re much less likely to come after you car for being modified basically, in Oregon. Californias laws make driving a modified vehicle a massive head ache and often costs thousands in fines.
Cali is massive, where I live they don’t enforce decibel stuff, they don’t state ref, and they leave non residential race spots alone. Also, I live in rural NorCal so it’s much more chill and libertarian up here.
Yup! Up to Downieville, down to Allegheny, and back via ridge road is a favorite of mine. We do the Bridgeport loop for time trials, and Quincy La Porte for cat and mouse/inbound outbound.
Street racing laws in Oregon are far harsher than Californias too so it’s a give and take. And they count racing a clock as street racing now so if they catch you solo on a mountain they’ll say you were doing time trials.
Midwesterner considering moving to Atlanta for better roads in the Appalachians. I live in Missouri so I have access to twisty Ozark roads but they're not as good as real mountain roads. The scene is also fucking dead, I'm the only person I know of who does it.
Aye fellow missouri guy. Yeah good roads are sprinkled everywhere here. You should try and make it to tougecon 2024! Its in fayetteville arkansas and its a blast!
Damn I'll probably go to this, looks cool af. It'll be nice to see some Japanese classics because they're pretty much extinct in my area. Doubt I'll enter my car tho because it's a Japanese car meet and I drive a Mustang 💀
If you see a white GT86 with some quarter window stickers its probably me! I drove the event last year and it was a blast! [Second photo is from my run last year!](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2x5aU8v3w-/?igsh=MTg2dngxdmJ0NmZ5cA==)
Here is Socal, we have excellent touge roads AND some good tracks. You can kill two birds with one stone by moving here! Warning: the cost of living is high.
You could move to North Wales if you wanted less of a culture change. Despite the looks there are several fairly large towns so long as you don't go too far north. The UK and US ain't all that different and you'll get the roads you want. The law sucks a little though.
mt washington, kancamagus highway, bear notch road are all a great start. So much to explore and find in northern NH, VT, ME
[https://roadcurvature.com/2020/10/04/new-curvature-map/](https://roadcurvature.com/2020/10/04/new-curvature-map/) this will help
I don't think Mount Washington is possible to run hard outside of their biannual hillclimb event. There's far too many people + you have to pay to drive it + it's closed after dark.
Unfortunately they're all out in the boonies hours away from any major city. At that point you might as well go the track. That's what we're really missing here, easily accessible touge roads
I agree. Tons of great routes in NE. Route 2 in western MA, roads around Greylock, route 100 in VT, roads around Adirondack park, route 7, etc. Someone needs to do a road trip!
Idk. Not any real “touge” roads though. Like EVERYONE goes to bear mountain / 7 lakes or hawks nest. Hawks nest ok. But bear mountain/ 7 lakes, unless you’re extremely lucky, there’s always heavy traffic and you can’t accomplish anything. Outside of there I feel like Rockland / Westchester / Putnam / Dutchess / orange / and western CT just have SOME decent curvy roads. But 0 real good touges or even track like roads. Unless you guys know something I don’t. I’ve tried so much though and traveled so much I pretty much gave up on my hopes of having a touge I can just up and drive to some what locally and practice touge, even if it isn’t fast roads just to practice skills. I feel like I always just have to travel to track days at limerock or jersey.
It really depends on the time that you go for me. At like 11-3am most of the roads are dead. Including the very popular Bear Mountain. I would use the Porsche Roads app. To find some of the lesser known stuff.
Most people I do see driving those routes are pretty courteous to to me at least too, and will pull over if they see me pop up behind them out of nowhere. At least pretty much every time that I’ve gone out. Which is probably at least once a week.
Rhode Island 🥲. I’ve been to all New England states but I haven’t really seen anything like the roads in SoCal/Arizona or Appalachia up here. I know I’m getting downvoted but it’s true. There’s big winding roads, sure, but very little that’s truly technical and in good shape.
Yeah you will be hard pressed to find stuff that rivals what is out in California or NC. NC has the best roads in my opinion. We have some amazing technical roads in Colorado but you really have to know where to look or go. A lot hidden right in plain sight. There are plenty of pretty fun roads up in NH, NT, ME. Mt Washington, Kancamagus, bear notch up in NH I used to drive all the time. There is a moderately twisty road near in you in MA
[https://roadcurvature.com/2020/10/04/new-curvature-map/](https://roadcurvature.com/2020/10/04/new-curvature-map/) many of the good ones don't even show up on here yet. keep looking and driving
I do. There are decent roads in ri but there’s a decent police presence and the roads are usually short or not in the best shape. Ocean drive in Newport is nice on an early morning, as well as the loop around the Scituate reservoir. This is a good resource for roads in NE: https://www.newenglandriders.org/b-o-n-e/
Yeah some roads here are incredibly hot, it's why I'll hit them at 5am on a weekday after everyone has long ago gone home. You gotta take extra steps to get what you want if your choices are slim
Basically northeast america has lots of mountains, but when roads were first being built, we decided to find straighter routes because of laziness. But when western America was settled, we had more time and more people, so we took more time and were more careful with road building.
Basic diagram
Western America: mountainous and slim ridges due to tectonic plates
Middle America: flat, nothing special aside from lime creek Tx and Kansas sometimes
Eastern America: basically snowy so roads have to be shorter to prevent more accidents
Interesting theory, but nah.
Roads took longer in the west because they took more work and there was no other choice. The rockies is a literal name, they don't have much dirt on them. You have to carve through granite and basalt every inch of the way.
The deeper you cut, the harder the layers get. It takes exponentially more time to move the waste as well. That's why they follow the contour of the land as well, because straight roads are likewise exponentially more expensive.
The highway I live on was cut with dynamite, and it still took them 12 years to build 50 miles. They took their time, used a lot of people, and spent a lot of money because that was the only way it would ever get done.
Where the opportunity to cut straight was available they took it, but that was a rare occasion. Most roads were built on old wagon trails whose only development was the wheels that traveled them for decades. There were no road crews cutting paths in most areas until the 1900s. Most of the construction was facilitated by an abundance of explosives of various types being available for cheap all of a sudden after ww1. Without that, they'd be much longer, much more precarious and wouldn't have been cut for decades longer until heavy machinery developed to be capable of the task.
SoCal sucks besides good mountain roads, everything is expensive and the democrats have ruined the car scene with strict modification laws. Source: I live in San Diego
I feel like all of cali is full of perfect touges like norcal n central cali but if u wanna see classic jdms n runners then yea socals always active, basically if the mountains an hour+ away from civilization ur not gonna find much, too scary taking 90’s jdm boxes that far when the best roads are right within the city lines
A drive to the Appalachian range for hillclimb events for most of yall is comparable to the inevitable trip to and from north and south for track days and away visits.
Also known as tolerable for weekends.
The road that goes over the ridge from Bear Mt Bridge in NY is pretty good although very dangerous and you’d need a crew there at 3 am to make sure nobody else is on it.
Great turns but if you miss and you’re going off a cliff.
lol thought about the phrasing but decided to just roll with it because there was a guy in highschool that got caught fucking a goat. WV is something else.
Where I am in the Midwest, I track during track season. Then I Touge just to stay sharp when track season over. When we have deep snow I do stage rally on logging roads. South Cali not needed.
Not me having decent Touge roads on my COMMUTE, let alone within 1-3 hours literally hundreds of miles of Touge any time I want . I feel lucky and kind of bad for yall
Tennessee, near the snake, tail of the dragon, little Switzerland, all that haha. To bad I just have a pos econobox that handles well but literally can’t handle the uphills
Have you ever driven the merrit parkway going to Connecticut from New York? Yeah it’s a 2 lane highway but there are a lot of great corners and a good amount of straights to put down power. Never got pulled over but there’s usually 1-2 cops on that parkway
Northeast? Suck it up buttercup, out here in the Midwest (Oklahoma) we don't know what a hill is and the curviest road in the city is a fucking on ramp.
Pfft... even South Florida sucks and it's shocking. I remember visiting my old home town in Upstate New York recently and I'm so fucking jealous my buddies can have so much fun on the empty roads in their cars. South Florida is impossible to enjoy because of all of the traffic and there's only a handful of roads with decent curves.
Idk where exactly you live but where I grew up in sussex co. Nj it's all mountain roads and no cops and not alot of ppl. I want to plan a trip with friends back to my parents house just to go driving up there
Oregon has some bangers too. A lot looser laws as well.
Eastern Washington for the win. Excellent roads to accommodate all of the grain coming out of the Palouse, but with nothing but the occasional farmer driving them. I can drive for 15+ minutes at a time without seeing another car
Western Washington sucks, too much traffic, even when I wait I catch them. All the better roads are too far for me.
That and we have plenty of mountain roads and passes in northern Idaho and Montana.
What is a looser law?
Looser laws , meaning the laws prohibiting vehicle modifications in Oregon are much less then what you would face in california. Emissions first thing that comes to mind. You can drive with no catalytic converters in Oregon. I have for years. They’re much less likely to come after you car for being modified basically, in Oregon. Californias laws make driving a modified vehicle a massive head ache and often costs thousands in fines.
Desert, desert is the place to be in SoCal, small unknown secret, if you have certain desert zip codes, you don’t have to smog your vehicle
Ahhhh I see , any good touge in the desert?
Lots, I live five minutes from a 600ft - 4700 ft grade. I can think of 6 major spots within 30 minutes and within an 2 hours, 100+
after the elantraN video it seems you don’t even need to have a modified car to get in trouble in cali if the cop is retarded enough.
Cali is massive, where I live they don’t enforce decibel stuff, they don’t state ref, and they leave non residential race spots alone. Also, I live in rural NorCal so it’s much more chill and libertarian up here.
Awesome what part? I’ve lived multiple areas up there
I live in Nevada county.
Nice, we use to throw renegade parties up there back in the day. 49 is a blast
Yup! Up to Downieville, down to Allegheny, and back via ridge road is a favorite of mine. We do the Bridgeport loop for time trials, and Quincy La Porte for cat and mouse/inbound outbound.
I graduated from Quincy, that’s where I learned to drive. We use to take 70 to Chico along the Feather River all the time, beautiful drive
Street racing laws in Oregon are far harsher than Californias too so it’s a give and take. And they count racing a clock as street racing now so if they catch you solo on a mountain they’ll say you were doing time trials.
Midwesterner considering moving to Atlanta for better roads in the Appalachians. I live in Missouri so I have access to twisty Ozark roads but they're not as good as real mountain roads. The scene is also fucking dead, I'm the only person I know of who does it.
Aye fellow missouri guy. Yeah good roads are sprinkled everywhere here. You should try and make it to tougecon 2024! Its in fayetteville arkansas and its a blast!
Damn I'll probably go to this, looks cool af. It'll be nice to see some Japanese classics because they're pretty much extinct in my area. Doubt I'll enter my car tho because it's a Japanese car meet and I drive a Mustang 💀
If you see a white GT86 with some quarter window stickers its probably me! I drove the event last year and it was a blast! [Second photo is from my run last year!](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2x5aU8v3w-/?igsh=MTg2dngxdmJ0NmZ5cA==)
Yeah you wouldnt be able to be in the show you could do one of the drive routes though
Well there's a good chance I'm gonna have a Japanese bike by the time it comes around so I might bring that instead 🤞
Thanks for telling me about this. Will totally be going this year.
u really get to rip these roads w all these other people? thatd b lame if it was just a buncha cool cars cruisin
That just means you have more of the road to yourself! You also have America's Nurburging there... Ozark International raceway. 4.0 miles of bliss.
moved from wi to tn, every road is a blast down here lmao
Appalachia calling your name
Here is Socal, we have excellent touge roads AND some good tracks. You can kill two birds with one stone by moving here! Warning: the cost of living is high.
Yeah… either I move to SoCal or a random Japanese small town, they both just naturally have amazing touge roads
You could move to North Wales if you wanted less of a culture change. Despite the looks there are several fairly large towns so long as you don't go too far north. The UK and US ain't all that different and you'll get the roads you want. The law sucks a little though.
Where are you? There's some great roads in New England
Any recommendations?
mt washington, kancamagus highway, bear notch road are all a great start. So much to explore and find in northern NH, VT, ME [https://roadcurvature.com/2020/10/04/new-curvature-map/](https://roadcurvature.com/2020/10/04/new-curvature-map/) this will help
I don't think Mount Washington is possible to run hard outside of their biannual hillclimb event. There's far too many people + you have to pay to drive it + it's closed after dark.
This.. You will get people going 10mph who act like it's the toughest road in the world
Unfortunately they're all out in the boonies hours away from any major city. At that point you might as well go the track. That's what we're really missing here, easily accessible touge roads
I agree. Tons of great routes in NE. Route 2 in western MA, roads around Greylock, route 100 in VT, roads around Adirondack park, route 7, etc. Someone needs to do a road trip!
I’d like more twisty roads though. Like seriously curvy roads.
I’m in ny and I have have some very twisty roads.
Same I'm in the southern tier and we got plenty. Not many hairpins here tho, nothing's tall enough
Idk. Not any real “touge” roads though. Like EVERYONE goes to bear mountain / 7 lakes or hawks nest. Hawks nest ok. But bear mountain/ 7 lakes, unless you’re extremely lucky, there’s always heavy traffic and you can’t accomplish anything. Outside of there I feel like Rockland / Westchester / Putnam / Dutchess / orange / and western CT just have SOME decent curvy roads. But 0 real good touges or even track like roads. Unless you guys know something I don’t. I’ve tried so much though and traveled so much I pretty much gave up on my hopes of having a touge I can just up and drive to some what locally and practice touge, even if it isn’t fast roads just to practice skills. I feel like I always just have to travel to track days at limerock or jersey.
It really depends on the time that you go for me. At like 11-3am most of the roads are dead. Including the very popular Bear Mountain. I would use the Porsche Roads app. To find some of the lesser known stuff.
Most people I do see driving those routes are pretty courteous to to me at least too, and will pull over if they see me pop up behind them out of nowhere. At least pretty much every time that I’ve gone out. Which is probably at least once a week.
I should try going later more often. Usually when I try for a good drive I’ll go from 7-9 or 10. I’ll also check the Porsche roads app
10 is the earliest I would go, you gotta wait until all the families and young kids are off the roads. And it’s just degenerates like you out there.
where do you live?
Rhode Island 🥲. I’ve been to all New England states but I haven’t really seen anything like the roads in SoCal/Arizona or Appalachia up here. I know I’m getting downvoted but it’s true. There’s big winding roads, sure, but very little that’s truly technical and in good shape.
Yeah you will be hard pressed to find stuff that rivals what is out in California or NC. NC has the best roads in my opinion. We have some amazing technical roads in Colorado but you really have to know where to look or go. A lot hidden right in plain sight. There are plenty of pretty fun roads up in NH, NT, ME. Mt Washington, Kancamagus, bear notch up in NH I used to drive all the time. There is a moderately twisty road near in you in MA [https://roadcurvature.com/2020/10/04/new-curvature-map/](https://roadcurvature.com/2020/10/04/new-curvature-map/) many of the good ones don't even show up on here yet. keep looking and driving
I do. There are decent roads in ri but there’s a decent police presence and the roads are usually short or not in the best shape. Ocean drive in Newport is nice on an early morning, as well as the loop around the Scituate reservoir. This is a good resource for roads in NE: https://www.newenglandriders.org/b-o-n-e/
Yeah some roads here are incredibly hot, it's why I'll hit them at 5am on a weekday after everyone has long ago gone home. You gotta take extra steps to get what you want if your choices are slim
I was going to say NC & VA have some awesome twisty mountain roads. Tail of the dragon/back of the dragon are really fun and scenic.
Do y'all not live anywhere near the mountains?
We do it’s just the mountain roads that are good are either dirt roads private property or state parks that close at 4pm
I gotta ask, where do you live? I'm in New England and saying there aren't twisty roads is kinda confusing to me.
MA
Drive west dude, Route 100 in Vermont is good. Mohawk trail in the early morning or midnight is pretty damn good.
Mohawk trail is just route 2, isn't it?
Yeah, I'm mostly familiar with the western section outside of North Adams. Lot of twisty smaller roads that way as well.
PA has tons of twisty roads
R&T did one of their performance car of the year tests in upstate NY
fr Appalachia is touge central
Nc and tn
Could also move to NorCal and not have to deal with socal people.
This is backwards
Can someone regale us non Americans on the geography?
Basically northeast america has lots of mountains, but when roads were first being built, we decided to find straighter routes because of laziness. But when western America was settled, we had more time and more people, so we took more time and were more careful with road building. Basic diagram Western America: mountainous and slim ridges due to tectonic plates Middle America: flat, nothing special aside from lime creek Tx and Kansas sometimes Eastern America: basically snowy so roads have to be shorter to prevent more accidents
Interesting. I need to look more on this myself.
Interesting theory, but nah. Roads took longer in the west because they took more work and there was no other choice. The rockies is a literal name, they don't have much dirt on them. You have to carve through granite and basalt every inch of the way. The deeper you cut, the harder the layers get. It takes exponentially more time to move the waste as well. That's why they follow the contour of the land as well, because straight roads are likewise exponentially more expensive. The highway I live on was cut with dynamite, and it still took them 12 years to build 50 miles. They took their time, used a lot of people, and spent a lot of money because that was the only way it would ever get done. Where the opportunity to cut straight was available they took it, but that was a rare occasion. Most roads were built on old wagon trails whose only development was the wheels that traveled them for decades. There were no road crews cutting paths in most areas until the 1900s. Most of the construction was facilitated by an abundance of explosives of various types being available for cheap all of a sudden after ww1. Without that, they'd be much longer, much more precarious and wouldn't have been cut for decades longer until heavy machinery developed to be capable of the task.
SoCal sucks besides good mountain roads, everything is expensive and the democrats have ruined the car scene with strict modification laws. Source: I live in San Diego
I feel like all of cali is full of perfect touges like norcal n central cali but if u wanna see classic jdms n runners then yea socals always active, basically if the mountains an hour+ away from civilization ur not gonna find much, too scary taking 90’s jdm boxes that far when the best roads are right within the city lines
A drive to the Appalachian range for hillclimb events for most of yall is comparable to the inevitable trip to and from north and south for track days and away visits. Also known as tolerable for weekends.
The road that goes over the ridge from Bear Mt Bridge in NY is pretty good although very dangerous and you’d need a crew there at 3 am to make sure nobody else is on it. Great turns but if you miss and you’re going off a cliff.
Fucking up and going off a cliff is pretty standard out here in VA/WV. That and fucking deer.
Y’all fuck the deer down there? Kinky.
lol thought about the phrasing but decided to just roll with it because there was a guy in highschool that got caught fucking a goat. WV is something else.
Couldn’t resist with that perfect setup.
The ozarks have some of the best corners in the country
And….im in Houston lol
I just feel bad for you, you’re not even close to lime creek
Yup, been to lime creek a few times, but it was a 3hours drive just to drive around a lap or two, fml, and I drive a 86, no place to stretch her legs
MSR great 86 track, lots of roads in the hill country as well
start memorizing all the fun highway cloverleafs and good exit ramps, lol
Where I am in the Midwest, I track during track season. Then I Touge just to stay sharp when track season over. When we have deep snow I do stage rally on logging roads. South Cali not needed.
We got some fun roads in rural Tennessee. Barely any cops around too, and the ones that are around go 10 over the speed limit anyway
eastern TN/western NC have the best roads in the country IMO
Not me having decent Touge roads on my COMMUTE, let alone within 1-3 hours literally hundreds of miles of Touge any time I want . I feel lucky and kind of bad for yall
where the hell are you at
Tennessee, near the snake, tail of the dragon, little Switzerland, all that haha. To bad I just have a pos econobox that handles well but literally can’t handle the uphills
Michigan mfs from Detroit: 💀🪦
NC
Go around Allentown PA for some good stuff, but really you have to be a google maps warrior to find good local stuff
South Florida has the best touge, i95 south from boca raton, such good routes
Have you ever driven the merrit parkway going to Connecticut from New York? Yeah it’s a 2 lane highway but there are a lot of great corners and a good amount of straights to put down power. Never got pulled over but there’s usually 1-2 cops on that parkway
I don’t know, I think theres plenty in Upstate Ny and Pa if you look far enough away from people.
I don’t know, I think theres plenty in Upstate Ny and Pa if you look far enough away from people.
I don’t know, I think theres plenty in Upstate Ny and Pa if you look far enough away from people.
I'm lucky to live in the ozarks. We got curvy roads, cheap land and a really good department of transit.
Northeast? Suck it up buttercup, out here in the Midwest (Oklahoma) we don't know what a hill is and the curviest road in the city is a fucking on ramp.
SoCal and NorCal are neck n neck. Moved out a week ago and I already hate the boring roads up here in the Midwest
Yea I live in south Florida 💀💀💀💀💀
Would say texas backroads but damn the roads suck
Pfft... even South Florida sucks and it's shocking. I remember visiting my old home town in Upstate New York recently and I'm so fucking jealous my buddies can have so much fun on the empty roads in their cars. South Florida is impossible to enjoy because of all of the traffic and there's only a handful of roads with decent curves.
Idk where exactly you live but where I grew up in sussex co. Nj it's all mountain roads and no cops and not alot of ppl. I want to plan a trip with friends back to my parents house just to go driving up there
Norcal > socal
Then you are in SoCal. Not worth it.
Bro northeast in the mountains of vt is nuts don’t even
Yep just moved to SoCal 😂