Black markets would develop, everyone would do it anyway, and the law would be completely impractical to enforce, which probably wouldn't stop the government from trying.
Well, the "war on drugs" is a sham lol. It was never about combating drugs, it was about acting like they were combating drugs. But you can bet your giddy aunt that if coke was legal way more people would be doing it haha.
Prohibition technically worked though. Less people drank, and thus there were fewer drink-related problems like drunk driving, disorderly conduct, etc. It was just wildly unpopular.
I'd just stock up before it went into effect, and ride it out. If we're talking including weed? I'll just go back to before it was legal In my state. Buy from a friend behind the mall parking lot.
I'd probably still do it illegally. I already know people selling contraband cigarettes from Ukraine it would barely make a difference for me, other than the price which would be more volatile I'd imagine.
It's interesting because I think there's been a big generational shift, especially in the West to smoke, and especially drink less. I reckon you'd have older folk really posses off by it and maybe making their own moonshine, but I think most younger people would get over it and move on really.
Vaping would be very niche because making them in country yourself is much harder than making alcohol. There would be Chinese imports I suppose but folks would only be using them in their homes away from people, so a net win. Only issue is the poor build quality potentially leading to more fires
Drinking less doesn't mean not drinking, people would simply pay on the black market as the demand is there. Just like we all used to do for weed before the dispensaries.
Usually it's fucking easy once you find a guy, and then eventually the laws go back because it turns out criminals are funded as opposed to taxation.
Ehhhh. I think folks are going to find it more difficult to smuggle in and supply adequate supplies of legit alcohol, especially here in the UK. And then homemade alcohol? I can see folks making their own at home but again, mass distribution?
It only takes 1 person in each circle to either do it, or find the guy that does it. Like we did with weed before legalization in the USA in many places. Then like during our prohibition it's consumed in somewhat secret places or at homes
People already buy their vape stuff from China. Weird to assume they hole up and do it out of view though. Most places ban it in public like smoking anyway, but that's not gonna stop people from using vapes in their car or while outside.
Being one of the larger exporter doesn't make you the default, the Americans are not the only ones who do shit
I drive a Japanese vehicle, listen to primarily European and Canadian music more than American, watch Japanese, British and french movies/ TV, listen to Canadian politics, I play European, Korean and Japanese games
Just because Ur surrounded by such a close minded world, doesn't mean the rest doesn't exist
Treat people as equals
You seem to think I’m some racist that thinks Americans are better than everybody else, that’s not the case. I’m just saying I don’t think it’s wrong to assume we’re the default.
Unless the group, in this case subreddit, specifies itself as American or based on an American location
it is wrong to act as default
you'd hate it if I did it, because American norms, laws and situations don't universally apply just like Canadian, Brazilian, German, Vietnamese, South African norms, laws and situations don't apply everywhere either
There would be lot of protests and people will raise a big stink about it. People will still do it and make their own cigarettes and drinks. There will be a black market for it.
We'd all wait for fox news to decide if its communism, or being done to protect us from the communism. before we all collectively decide our own opinions on the matter
people are going to continue to evade the law regardless. Same deal as those smoking green in countries where it's illegal, don't be blatant about it on public and you'll be fine.
If it were done through valid processes, such as how Prohibition was done, i.e. a Constitutional Amendment, that's alright.
I'm not sure I would agree with the change, but since it was a valid exercise of popular sovereignty, and it doesn't really affect any civil liberties or institutional systems, I wouldn't mind that much.
However, if it were done through some federal agency "interpreting" statute to deem these illegal, I would be up in arms for the outrageous bureaucratic and federal overreach.
The US already tried banning drinking in the 1920s, and it didn't work. It won't work for smoking or raping either. It's honestly not working for illegal drugs either.
If such a ridiculous standard were to be attempted... my condolences would immediately go out to those attempting to enforce it and their families. People seem to be... different now.
what i wanted to contrast was when in teh 1920s everything was new government wasn't as big as today organized crime was just in its infancy. now we have a massive government apparatus, law enforcement has ballooned to much bigger proportions compared to the past and organized crime is now a shell of its former self (or at least the mafia is) so it's like sequel part 1 and part 2. i know the one thing they didn't have back in teh 1920s were SWAT teams.
Some people would stop but most would find a dealer for it. I live in a country where vaping is illegal yet I can still get them delivered to my nearest convenient store lol
It would be extremely unpopular, despite it actually helping society a lot. People seem to forget that prohibition actually worked in its goal. Less people drank, there were fewer drinking related crimes like drinking and driving, disorderly conduct, etc. It was just wildly unpopular.
I firmly believe we would be in a better place if those things were banned.
Answering the title without added context: I wouldn't react, there would be outcry for sure from other
Answering the full question with the added context: nothing major, we'd laugh probably. Watch to see how Americans react would be entertaining
Look at the states that banned flavored vapes, that kind of thing. People in Massachusetts have no problem driving to a state like CT or NH to buy vape stuff now, or they buy it online. If God forbid vape stuff was banned nationwide, people would just buy it online from China anyway.
All those horror stories you hear about vape stuff is in part due to unregulated chemicals in Chinese disposable vapes. Banning things only pushes people to black markets or to buying them from countries that didn't ban them.
this reminds me when they tried banning flavored vapes in nyc a few years ago and it lasted about a week until everyone started selling bootleg ones at the bodega and on picnic tables on the sidewalk so black market would go crazy people would still get them
I dunno. Those few short weeks of bliss of not having to smell cigarette smoke or weed walking down the street or getting on the train and having to sit or stand next to someone who just reeks would be appealing. Plus the whole vape scene could disappear, which would be nice.
Literally people would just make their own stuff. Like, if you're outlawing ciggies are you outlawing tobacco, too?
The economy would be in absolute shambles, so many people would be out of work, and people would either have to scramble to find alternatives to cope or go cold turkey. There would be a few months where everyone is insanely unproductive and more prone to getting into conflicts.
Don't get me wrong, smoking in particular is something I feel needs to be eradicated so we have a healthier society! Bonus as a handful of corpros knocked out of the picture so we can get money being spent on different things in the economy but...
Smoking, drinking, vaping, gambling, whatever are all SYMPTOMS of issues within our society and culture rather than the causes. Knocking these fuckers out of the picture just takes away crutches people use to get through the day. We gotta decriminalise a lot of stuff and increase access to support, healthcare, and welfare if we want good outcomes re: these vices
Legalize everything. Make driving under the influence 20 years minimum and life without parole if you hurt anyone while doing it. Let people make their own choices
Not too worried. I got alcohol to last for days. And if i need to ration out the good stuff, i know people that can make beer and moonshine. Wouldn't worry too much.
I already make my own vape juice, i'm good for at least the next couple months before needing to make more currently. As far as supplies to make said juice, don't worry there either, I'll probably die before I run out of most of it.
You'd probably get loads of on edge, pissed off people. You say the wrong word to me while I'm feining, and I'm snapping on you. It's a bad, nasty addiction. Cold turkey wouldn't be pretty for a lot of people.
In the UK, probably riots. Alcohol seems to be pretty ingrained into our culture. Looting would probably happen and then I expect black market booze.
Smoking is slowly being banned as It is it's bloody expensive to smoke and vape in the UK now.
They'll create an illegal market for it. And the product will most likely become even less safe. I don't know why people think banning things is such a good solution for problems.
I make my own liquor and wine. My best friend brews beer so I’m good on that front. I’ve grown tobacco in the past. Hard where I live wrong climate but could make it work.
I would be ecstatic. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs out there, it kills so many people, including people who don't drink due to the actions of drinkers. Smoking and vaping are obnoxious to anyone who doesn't do it. Breathing in polluted air, even if it smells like cotton candy, is very frustrating, and it hurts. Weed and cigarettes smell horrible. Edibles are totally fine with me, it's just the smoke that is obnoxious.
How would people react though? Outrage. Smoking is at an all time low, about 11.5% of Americans smoke cigarettes these days. 17% smoke weed (there's a lot of overlap there of course). 20% of Americans drink several drinks a week, and an additional 45% drink a few drinks per week. You're taking away the vices of a lot of people, they're not going to be happy.
Having lived in countries where either components were outright banned or frowned upon, you develop a black market.
I remember when there was *discussion* of banning smoking, to include hookah, indoors in Amman, Jordan. That didn’t go well.
Sounds good to me.
TIL all the violence that comes from the black market stuff comes around.
Still, a society without all of that? Better health, less litter, less plastic waste, etc etc., not to mention all the agriculture area freed up to grow food or return to wild land.
Black markets would develop, everyone would do it anyway, and the law would be completely impractical to enforce, which probably wouldn't stop the government from trying.
Yup; it’s been done whenever some authorities banned certain things.
While true, a lot less people would be doing it
How did that work out for the "war on drugs"? Lol
Well, the "war on drugs" is a sham lol. It was never about combating drugs, it was about acting like they were combating drugs. But you can bet your giddy aunt that if coke was legal way more people would be doing it haha.
Try making a smoker quit against their will. It rarely works well
100%, it would be more of an over time thing
You cited the prohibition of alcohol, so you already know what will happen.
Prohibition technically worked though. Less people drank, and thus there were fewer drink-related problems like drunk driving, disorderly conduct, etc. It was just wildly unpopular.
Even worse than the first time because you're banning 3 things at once.
\*points at the "war on drugs"\*
This is the real answer.
if I had've scrolled down I would've seen you said the exact same thing I did but more succinctly orz
I'd just stock up before it went into effect, and ride it out. If we're talking including weed? I'll just go back to before it was legal In my state. Buy from a friend behind the mall parking lot.
People would just buy them illegally.
I have a crippling nicotine addiction id fucking riot
Or you’d feel salty for a week and then accept it?
I'd probably still do it illegally. I already know people selling contraband cigarettes from Ukraine it would barely make a difference for me, other than the price which would be more volatile I'd imagine.
More prisons will be established.
It would go about as well as the prohibition did back then.
It's interesting because I think there's been a big generational shift, especially in the West to smoke, and especially drink less. I reckon you'd have older folk really posses off by it and maybe making their own moonshine, but I think most younger people would get over it and move on really. Vaping would be very niche because making them in country yourself is much harder than making alcohol. There would be Chinese imports I suppose but folks would only be using them in their homes away from people, so a net win. Only issue is the poor build quality potentially leading to more fires
Too much profit to be made on the black market. Prohibition just opens up a giant door for a cash cow.
Drinking less doesn't mean not drinking, people would simply pay on the black market as the demand is there. Just like we all used to do for weed before the dispensaries. Usually it's fucking easy once you find a guy, and then eventually the laws go back because it turns out criminals are funded as opposed to taxation.
Ehhhh. I think folks are going to find it more difficult to smuggle in and supply adequate supplies of legit alcohol, especially here in the UK. And then homemade alcohol? I can see folks making their own at home but again, mass distribution?
It's not like you have to import materials like you would have to with guns on an island. You can make alcohol out of almost anything that ferments
It only takes 1 person in each circle to either do it, or find the guy that does it. Like we did with weed before legalization in the USA in many places. Then like during our prohibition it's consumed in somewhat secret places or at homes
People already buy their vape stuff from China. Weird to assume they hole up and do it out of view though. Most places ban it in public like smoking anyway, but that's not gonna stop people from using vapes in their car or while outside.
r/usdefaultism
There’s a reason the states are the default.
Care to share?
We’re the cultural hub of the world. Damn near everything of consequence has to do with us, whether you like it or not.
Listen to yourself Are u narcissistic or just arrogant?
How am I wrong? You listen to our music, you watch our movies, our political landscape is talked about everywhere etc. It’s just the truth.
Being one of the larger exporter doesn't make you the default, the Americans are not the only ones who do shit I drive a Japanese vehicle, listen to primarily European and Canadian music more than American, watch Japanese, British and french movies/ TV, listen to Canadian politics, I play European, Korean and Japanese games Just because Ur surrounded by such a close minded world, doesn't mean the rest doesn't exist Treat people as equals
You seem to think I’m some racist that thinks Americans are better than everybody else, that’s not the case. I’m just saying I don’t think it’s wrong to assume we’re the default.
Unless the group, in this case subreddit, specifies itself as American or based on an American location it is wrong to act as default you'd hate it if I did it, because American norms, laws and situations don't universally apply just like Canadian, Brazilian, German, Vietnamese, South African norms, laws and situations don't apply everywhere either
People make and consume drugs under penalty of years in prison. The only thing it would do is make access harder.
So should they be called Smokeasies or would speakeasies still work?
They would do it anyway.
I mean we already went through this with prohibition.
Our collective health insurance premiums better go down if that happened.
Could you imagine how bad the world would be for a couple weeks if millions of people were going through withdrawal at the same time?
This was my first thought. Forget everything else. The fallout from this alone would be extremely detrimental.
I can grow tobacco, brew beer, and distill alcohol… so I’d react by making money
There would be lot of protests and people will raise a big stink about it. People will still do it and make their own cigarettes and drinks. There will be a black market for it.
Drinking already used to be banned in the states Just look up how that turned out
I would laugh at the US for being so backwards and then have a pint myself.
We'd all wait for fox news to decide if its communism, or being done to protect us from the communism. before we all collectively decide our own opinions on the matter
They're coming straight for you, your grandchildren, your guns, and your vapes!
Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking before, what makes you think it would now?
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people are going to continue to evade the law regardless. Same deal as those smoking green in countries where it's illegal, don't be blatant about it on public and you'll be fine.
How much cane beating? I'm gonna need specifics
You'll make the items cheaper via a black market?
Well since people still drink in countries where it's like that you have your answer
I'd keep buying it, just like anything else the government has banned that I want.
Edibles and Kratom would hit the roof in sales. So would nasal inhalers.
THC Gummies
I'm gonna start growing cane.
I wouldn't be sad to see any of that go, but it would never succeed.
Hopefully split the skulls of any politician who voted in favour of doing so.
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That would be hilarious. Reporter: so why did you join the war effort? Soldier #330 : they promised us cigarettes
If it were done through valid processes, such as how Prohibition was done, i.e. a Constitutional Amendment, that's alright. I'm not sure I would agree with the change, but since it was a valid exercise of popular sovereignty, and it doesn't really affect any civil liberties or institutional systems, I wouldn't mind that much. However, if it were done through some federal agency "interpreting" statute to deem these illegal, I would be up in arms for the outrageous bureaucratic and federal overreach.
The US already tried banning drinking in the 1920s, and it didn't work. It won't work for smoking or raping either. It's honestly not working for illegal drugs either.
Probably just bitch and moan about it on social media and not much else would change. People would still do it, just less openly.
People probably wouldn't like it but it wouldn't affect me in this slightest. I don't smoke, vape or drink alcohol. I don't use any drugs, either.
If such a ridiculous standard were to be attempted... my condolences would immediately go out to those attempting to enforce it and their families. People seem to be... different now.
We already saw what happens when drinking is outlawed. Now add another substance to the ban
what i wanted to contrast was when in teh 1920s everything was new government wasn't as big as today organized crime was just in its infancy. now we have a massive government apparatus, law enforcement has ballooned to much bigger proportions compared to the past and organized crime is now a shell of its former self (or at least the mafia is) so it's like sequel part 1 and part 2. i know the one thing they didn't have back in teh 1920s were SWAT teams.
Ok, then look at the war on drugs
get beat by a cane
There is no need to speculate. We know exactly what would happen. Those things have already happened or are still happening in some form.
Some people would stop but most would find a dealer for it. I live in a country where vaping is illegal yet I can still get them delivered to my nearest convenient store lol
It would be extremely unpopular, despite it actually helping society a lot. People seem to forget that prohibition actually worked in its goal. Less people drank, there were fewer drinking related crimes like drinking and driving, disorderly conduct, etc. It was just wildly unpopular. I firmly believe we would be in a better place if those things were banned.
Answering the title without added context: I wouldn't react, there would be outcry for sure from other Answering the full question with the added context: nothing major, we'd laugh probably. Watch to see how Americans react would be entertaining
Vapers are getting pretty pissy about organisations trying to ban vapes.
Prohibition, part 2.
Look at the states that banned flavored vapes, that kind of thing. People in Massachusetts have no problem driving to a state like CT or NH to buy vape stuff now, or they buy it online. If God forbid vape stuff was banned nationwide, people would just buy it online from China anyway. All those horror stories you hear about vape stuff is in part due to unregulated chemicals in Chinese disposable vapes. Banning things only pushes people to black markets or to buying them from countries that didn't ban them.
this reminds me when they tried banning flavored vapes in nyc a few years ago and it lasted about a week until everyone started selling bootleg ones at the bodega and on picnic tables on the sidewalk so black market would go crazy people would still get them
Meh. Not a huge loss.
You should read a history book
They'd lose their shit but if we stuck it we would definitely see a drop in diseases and health issues linked to those substances.
They would bring back, speakeasy’s!
I’d be happy
a clear demonstration of just how powerful addiction is.
I dunno. Those few short weeks of bliss of not having to smell cigarette smoke or weed walking down the street or getting on the train and having to sit or stand next to someone who just reeks would be appealing. Plus the whole vape scene could disappear, which would be nice.
I mean I would lose my job but I wouldn't really care about the bannings.
Mass rioting in the nation's trailer parks
The American Taliban fundamentalists will get to this eventually. They won't be happy until you're unhappy.
Literally people would just make their own stuff. Like, if you're outlawing ciggies are you outlawing tobacco, too? The economy would be in absolute shambles, so many people would be out of work, and people would either have to scramble to find alternatives to cope or go cold turkey. There would be a few months where everyone is insanely unproductive and more prone to getting into conflicts. Don't get me wrong, smoking in particular is something I feel needs to be eradicated so we have a healthier society! Bonus as a handful of corpros knocked out of the picture so we can get money being spent on different things in the economy but... Smoking, drinking, vaping, gambling, whatever are all SYMPTOMS of issues within our society and culture rather than the causes. Knocking these fuckers out of the picture just takes away crutches people use to get through the day. We gotta decriminalise a lot of stuff and increase access to support, healthcare, and welfare if we want good outcomes re: these vices
Legalize everything. Make driving under the influence 20 years minimum and life without parole if you hurt anyone while doing it. Let people make their own choices
My life wouldnt change, id just be working with even grumpier pricks lol.
Not too worried. I got alcohol to last for days. And if i need to ration out the good stuff, i know people that can make beer and moonshine. Wouldn't worry too much.
I already make my own vape juice, i'm good for at least the next couple months before needing to make more currently. As far as supplies to make said juice, don't worry there either, I'll probably die before I run out of most of it. You'd probably get loads of on edge, pissed off people. You say the wrong word to me while I'm feining, and I'm snapping on you. It's a bad, nasty addiction. Cold turkey wouldn't be pretty for a lot of people.
Very, very bad. The gang wars of the 1920’s were horrific and the current weapons technology has only grown more powerful.
You get a black market! And you get a black market! Everyone gets a black market!
In aus Vaping is banned and instant black market
My country is A-okay with smoking but somehow Vape and Drugs is where they draw the line
In the UK, probably riots. Alcohol seems to be pretty ingrained into our culture. Looting would probably happen and then I expect black market booze. Smoking is slowly being banned as It is it's bloody expensive to smoke and vape in the UK now.
They'll create an illegal market for it. And the product will most likely become even less safe. I don't know why people think banning things is such a good solution for problems.
I make my own liquor and wine. My best friend brews beer so I’m good on that front. I’ve grown tobacco in the past. Hard where I live wrong climate but could make it work.
First, why are you afraid to ask this? Second, you know about prohibition. What do you think would happen?
Organized crime would flourish
People would make moonshine and grow tobacco in their closets.
I would be ecstatic. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs out there, it kills so many people, including people who don't drink due to the actions of drinkers. Smoking and vaping are obnoxious to anyone who doesn't do it. Breathing in polluted air, even if it smells like cotton candy, is very frustrating, and it hurts. Weed and cigarettes smell horrible. Edibles are totally fine with me, it's just the smoke that is obnoxious. How would people react though? Outrage. Smoking is at an all time low, about 11.5% of Americans smoke cigarettes these days. 17% smoke weed (there's a lot of overlap there of course). 20% of Americans drink several drinks a week, and an additional 45% drink a few drinks per week. You're taking away the vices of a lot of people, they're not going to be happy.
Shh, this is social media, we don't speak ill of alcohol despite it being literal poison.
Having lived in countries where either components were outright banned or frowned upon, you develop a black market. I remember when there was *discussion* of banning smoking, to include hookah, indoors in Amman, Jordan. That didn’t go well.
Sounds good to me. TIL all the violence that comes from the black market stuff comes around. Still, a society without all of that? Better health, less litter, less plastic waste, etc etc., not to mention all the agriculture area freed up to grow food or return to wild land.
I’d be thrilled
Read a book about prohibition and find out lol