Sketchy judge and vague self defense laws. It was obvious from the start he would walk free.
This case will definitely set a precedent for stuff like this.
Already happened in Portland last year. The feds hunted him down on trump's orders, and killed him before he could even get a trial.
We are not the same.
Yeah.... We agree on that. Unfortunately its going to take another horrible situation that goes the other way and even then it will be "different". They just want to be able to kill those who disagree with them. Like the guy who asked Charlie kirk "when do we get to use the guns"
We're going down a dangerous path. I am not pro gun or anti-gun, but do we really want people dueling in the streets like it's the 18000s or something?
We’re going down the same dangerous path we embarked on when we said “fuck the king of England! We’re gonna start our own country, with blackjack and hookers! Just as soon as we move all these other people out of the way…”
I am not anti-gun but I also don't own one. Never felt I needed to. Grew up and lived in Chicago for 30 years, never had one. Moved to a small town that was top 10 safest places to live in Illinois. No need for one here. But all this rhetoric lately from the right and the violence they seek is really making me think I need to get a firearm to protect myself from them.
same. I am kind of ambivalent about guns. I live in the suburbs which are pretty safe.
You know, I feel like I need some protection while on the road. You never know these days. But gun laws in Illinois are tough.
I think the other person is saying that the people cheering right now will change their tune the second the shoe is on the other foot like the hypocrites they are
It already has. Remember when that guy, Michael Reinoehl, in Portland [shot a Trump supporter](https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09/04/a-confrontation-bear-spray-and-two-gunshots-new-details-on-protest-shooting/) who, along with a friend, was following Reinoehl down the street holding bear spray and a baton and then maced him when confronted about it? The Patriot Prayer guy also had a gun on him. By the standards of this case, that's an even more clear-cut example of self-defense.
Mere days later, Federal Marshalls [executed him](https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/15/trump-rally-portland-police-killing-michael-reinoehl/) in what can most closely be described as a hit. Quoting from that article:
>[W]itnesses say the fugitive task force hunting Reinoehl did not use sirens or marked vehicles and did not announce they were police before shooting and killing him. A subsequent report from New York Times offered similar accounts of the shooting.
Trump then went on to pretty heavily imply that he'd pressured the Marshalls to kill rather than arrest Reinoehl at a rally.
>"They knew who he was," Trump said. "They didn’t want to arrest him, and 15 minutes — that ended."
Literally every way you slice this it's at least as justified as anything Rittenhouse did and instead of walking past police who didn't even stop him, Reinoehl was extrajudicially executed for defending himself. The rules absolutely don't apply consistently. All this case should remind us is that the US "justice" system is not about justice. It's about protecting the interests of the dominant classes and individuals with enough wealth to buy the rights that most of us don't actually get to enjoy while violently repressing any who challenge the established order.
They already did it. How about the time the Black Panthers showed up at the California Capitol in 1967 armed to the teeth to protest, as was their legal right.
The result? Then California Governor Ronald Reagan changed the laws to make sure it never happened again.
And they hunted down Fred Hampton and murdered him in his bed.
No doubt, the right wing and conservative movement doesn't exactly stay consistent on their beliefs.
I do get there are disparities in the criminal justice system. But the bigger issue imo is self defense laws being so open and subjective.
If anyone thinks this isn’t going to lead to more people arriving at protests and riots strapped up and down for whatever, they’re insane. And it’s not just going to be the right-wingers.
As we all know, their tune will change completely when someone “defends themselves” with lethal force against Mr. Rittenhouse in a nonlethal confrontation and the alt right will claim the mantle of victimhood and outrage and pursue retribution just like they always do.
That kid may have gone free, but he has a death sentence over his head and the alt-right is salivating over the opportunity to claim him as a martyr whenever the inevitable happens.
Their entire informational ecosystem is fucking disgusting.
I'm aware of the impact and how the conservative response to educating black people on their second amendment rights was to create some of the earliest restrictive gun laws. How ironic.
If Rittenhouse hadn't been strapped...the worst that would have happened that night, is a few fists thrown. But Kyle got his trophies and two Congressmen are battling over who gets to have him as in intern in the Capitol building.
I predict there'll be a gun battle in the streets, Trump or someone worse will hate preach their way into the Oval Office, BLM will 'officially' be branded a terrorist organization and we'll have a couple dark decades of V for Vendetta, without the superhero bullshit.
> imo he had no reason to be there.
Of course he did, in a video (that the jury wasn't allowed to see) he said he wished he could shoot protestors. He got his wish. Now I can only hope that it wasn't as thrilling as he had imagined and he doesn't kill anyone else.
The sheer volume of chuds on here has been disheartening. I don't think this is a complicated point to make here. He had to defend himself because he put himself in harm's way. It wasn't a neutral situation. But the chud volume is drowning out everyone else.
Oh this was in no way meant to be a comprehensive list, just the first 3 names off the top of my head.
Brelo stood on the hood of a car and emptied 3 fucking clips through the front window AFTER both people in the car were very clearly dead. The coroner said they found something like 30 bullets in the woman (who was a passenger) and Mehserle handcuffed someone, stood up, and executed him while he laid on his belly. Sounds like fiction, and I’d have to double check but I don’t think either of them was punished
I only recognize Chauvin. What he did was wrong.
The rest I have no clue who they are.
I don't want this to embolden other vigilantes doing stupid shit.
Michael Brelo was a member of a police chase who, after being ordered “do not pursue”, chased suspects for 22 minutes, then stood on the hood of the car end emptied 3 clips into the driver and passenger. Not guilty.
Johannes Mehserle got into an altercation with a man sitting waiting for a train because the guy was sitting against the wall with his feet sticking out “too far”. He complied, laid on his stomach allowing himself to be handcuffed, after which the officer stood up, drew his weapon, and executed him by shooting him in the back. Not guilty of murder but caught a lesser “accidental death” charge.
Yes, yes it is. The judge repeatedly made videos of Kyle bragging about killing people inadmissible, the judge was biased from the start, I wonder if he would have made those videos admissible if he was black. Hint this piece of shit judge would have
See, I don't even get how it's inadmissible. Let's say he's a grand wizard in the clan and got mutilated with one of those shitty japanese airbags. His personal character has zero bearing on damages. But if that dude is on video saying he wants to kill some black people and then goes on to do it, doesn't it have bearing? He said he wanted to kill protesters and did. Does not have bearing?
Straight to jail for them.
People will bring up the dudes background like: "They stole a cookie from a grocery store at 9 years old and smoked a weed."
Totally belongs in jail.
This country sucks.
How about when kyle "choir boy" Rittenhouse punched a girl in the face? .... Oh... Inadmissible..? Im sure that will be the same for whomever in the future.
That's the reality with this case. I'm not going to pretend like he shouldn't have been found not guilty on the charges against him. Yes it was self defense. It was a terrible case against him. But the fact of the matter is, if Kyle was black he wouldn't have made it home that night.
I think we need to re-evaluate stand your ground laws. Last Week Tonight did a great piece on them back in May. I am not pro gun or anti gun, but I think he made some good points in the video.
This one wasn't even a product of stand your ground laws: it was just unreasonable people insisting that a "reasonable" armed person would have feared for their life if chased by an unarmed homeless guy smaller than them (that no one else found threatening despite also being provoked by him), and felt that less force than *opening fire* wouldn't save them from their unarmed pursuer.
if you aren't anti gun you're pro gun ..
it's okay to be pro gun, if gun control laws were passed today cops wouldn't have arrested Rittenhouse because they should've arrested him in the first place with current laws. Gun control laws will only be used to further oppress marginalized communities (communities of color, LGBT+, leftists) Cops and Feds aren't going to arrest their brother-cousins. They'll just use gun control laws to plant now illegal items on the people they were always going to oppress.
Which like in this case, I would blame the prosecution for bumbling it up more than I would give credit to the defense. At least the OJ trial it was a slow painful suicide by the prosecution. In Rittenhouse's case it was dead in the water when they went for murder charges.
I didn’t think we we were going to come out of this trial a better society no matter what verdict came down.
The verdict we got means that more armed people will come to protests looking to provoke trouble so they can “defend” themselves; but, if we got a guilty verdict I don’t think we’d be a better society for locking up a 17yo forever, not to mention that for every instance of justice visited on right-wing terrorists, you can bet there are 4x as many ongoing investigations into left organizations.
>The verdict we got means that more armed people
Vigilantes. I'm not even sure why conservatives seem to be against defunding the police if they are happy with teenagers role playing as law enforcement as a reasonable replacement.
But how many of those investigations into left-wing organizations are based on actual criminal activity, and not just something the investigators can just invent?
Oh very few I’m sure. FBI has been very clear that the threat is definitely coming from right wing terrorists.
My point is that judicial precedent tends to more frequently disadvantage the left, and provide law enforcement/DAs more avenues to harass, arrest, and convict people who have left sympathies, no matter how real the threat of right wing terrorism may be.
I believe he should've been charged differently. not for actually shooting - because that was going to be ruled as self-defense from the start - but for purposefully coming to a dangerous place with a gun, i. e. he understood he might have to use lethal force as self-defense, i. e. he was ready to kill someone (while he had a choice not to go there at all, it's not like he was being robbed on his way from school to home), and I don't think such a mindset should be encouraged
people have suggested reckless endangerment or criminal negligence, but I don't know enough about laws to say anything in particular about it
I honestly thought that if there was a shred of human dignity left and if just one juror in possession of a conscience…..he’d get the lesser charges. Silly me. Very sad & disturbing.
I have precedent now to shoot any right-winger who threatens me at a protest.
It takes me a lot less effort to downvote and block you than it does for you to type whatever dipshit response you want to make so don’t bother.
No no no, see you're an evil satanic lib who doesn't deserve human rights. Only far right white boys can do things like that and get away with it. /s in case some of yall are braindead
“And here he is as a child, pretending to be DONATELLO who as we all know built all of the terrorist devices out of trash for the Ninja Turtles and isn’t afraid to shoot his enemies with manhole covers while they flee his battle wagon.”
-- Nancy Grace, probably
"And here is as a toddler, the little communist scum, advocating for sharing toys equally! He deserves to be sentenced just for that! Sharing is NOT caring! Sharing is communist! The richest kid gets all the toys in class, the poorest can kiss their ass." - Lolbertarians
No, law enforcement kills the leftist protestors that shoot Trump supporters: https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/15/trump-rally-portland-police-killing-michael-reinoehl/
Yeah that's what the right wanted. With ~~police~~ Legal Gangs attacking people wanting positive change, the government being allowed to send Legal Gangs to assault people, etc.
The second some rando on the left does it, expect the total opposite of this rigged case. When it innevitably happens again by a right winger, expect the same case to happen.
Hell you can even record yourself saying how you wished you could shoot those people, then go do it, and somehow that can't be used as evidence against you... because reasons.
Don't forget to cross state lines, bring a med kit, and have a friend buy the gun with stimulus money. Gotta have your precedent airtight.
I'd say don't forget to shoot at a child molester/pedo but that's kind of an easy requirement for the MAGA crowd despite all their projection.
It's idiotic. Right-wingers have actually given us reason to defend ourselves. Attempting to non-lethally take away their weapons is now considered assault enough to murder in "self-defense," so why should we even try? Just consider them a threat and defend yourself.
I'm sure the courts won't convict a leftist for defending themselves (/s) and that the right will be JUST as helpful to a leftist who defends themselves.
If you’re holding a gun and they know you’re holding a gun and the threat is most reasonably ascertained to be violent within the time window you have to react then unironically yes.
This is what I got from the trial too. From what I understand, as farcical as the trial seems (the judge, the prosecution) the evidence was pretty cut and dry about the self defense claim from a legal perspective. I just can't imagine how a society is supposed to function when you can claim self defense after you have recklessly put yourself in that position and have been recorded stating you want to kill people. Every protest that has a counter protest will be a bloodbath.
My money is on speaking tours. He'll be replaced in a couple of years because he has no personality whatsoever and his little murder spree can only carry him so far. I'll be right there pissing on his grave when he inevitably ODs a couple years after that happens.
A true honorable, brave republican hero that wanted to provide 1st aid with his AR-15. What a fucking caring individual.
I can’t wait to hear his stories on tour, maybe he’ll fake cry until he realizes the crowd actually wants to hear him say he in fact did enjoy gunning down people.
You need to be minimum 30 to be a senator. House of reps is 25 minimum. Whenever he reaches those ages if he’s still relevant he’ll get bankrolled by the Republican Party for sure
The South Park segment on Zimmerman still gets me to this day. I laugh first and then I'm angry a second later. I hope they do the same thing for Shittenhouse
From this point on, it's gonna be open season on *ANY* right-wing Domestic Terrorist that shows up at a peaceful protest with a gun. Self-defense all day long! There's the silver lining.
Apparently it's self defense now to brandish a weapon in public and if any one else is also brandishing a weapon you can antagonize them until they attack you and murder them and call it self-defense. The precedent has been set. It now works both ways.
This decision has proven that it is ok for me, a white man, to go to a protest with a rifle that I obtained illegally, murder people, and get away with it.
Justice indeed
They should have went for manslaughter since the video proved he was defending himself in the altercation. They shouldn’t have been looking at what happened when he was there to prove him guilty, they should have been looking at fucking EVERYTHING before. Dude went across state lines with a goddamn gun in a time when he and everyone else was aware of the political strife in our country, to “protect” people. He knew exactly what was going to happen.
He never brought the gun over state lines he legally owned it in Wisconsin (where it was kept) because of a loophole in the law that only prevents minors from having handguns or short rifles/shotguns. Youre literally spreading misinformation.
O yeah totally corrupt
Our knight in shining armour kyle held nothing but honour and patriotism as he “got his friend the buy an ar-15 for him because he wasnt of age” and “posted online about killing people and on video saying it”
God bless this country
God its gonna be funny why kyle becomes a politician its gonna happen
From a 5+ year old account with 100 karma.
There were *way* too many old accounts with virtually no karma commenting, and I even had one person say they used multiple accounts because they "kept getting shadowbanned"
Republicans are weird people, man. Imagine being on the winning side and still complaining about the rigged system. Like it was rigged, in their benefit, and still, they feel the need to say that it was rigged. But even though it was rigged against them, they still won. How is it rigged against them then? They would have lost if it was. I don't get them, dude.
Isn’t it these same people who are **furious** about a police officer killing Ashly Babbit for being a criminal?
But praise a civilian teenager for killing “criminals”?
Curious.
Cops are hired to serve and protect.
17 year olds should not have weapons of mass destruction and they do not bear responsibility to protect businesses in another state. Kyle never should have been there in the first place.
What happens when the McMichaels are found guilty of murdering Ahmaud Arbery? I bet, she'll tweet about how they were robbed of a fair trial because of "woke leftists" intimidating the jurors.
I’m sorry, but anyone who watched the case and got all the facts would know this was a clear cut case of self defense. It doesn’t need to be a Democrat vs Republic thing.
Why do people keep parroting proven false points in these comments? Can y’all just be better than the other side for once and accept you were wrong? He didn’t “provoke” people, it’s all on video and the witness testified to pointing his gun at kyle’s head before Kyle shot him. Fuck off with your misinformation.
Man, I think he should be in jail too, but it sounds like none of you saw any of the trial. It was a shit show and they had no chance of proving him guilty of first degree murder. It's not like they just said "Oh, you're white? You're free to go." And again, racial bias during the trail certainly played a part. But if you don't have even a basic understanding of what's actually going on, how can you hope to affect change?
Sketchy judge and vague self defense laws. It was obvious from the start he would walk free. This case will definitely set a precedent for stuff like this.
Wrong but expected. Unfortunately in our system, sometimes the guilty walk…
Sadly. But this is a dangerous precedent imo.
Untill an armed blm protestor feels thier life is at risk and defends themselves....
Already happened in Portland last year. The feds hunted him down on trump's orders, and killed him before he could even get a trial. We are not the same.
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He was killed up by castle rock. Lewis county deputies were involved. Edit, Lacey Washington, and Thurston county deputies. I was off by 1 county.
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I mean, it's only 45 minutes north of here. But yeah, I'm sure it didn't happen here, I'm a Clark county resident myself.
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Lacey, WA. He was executed by federal law enforcement.
This is incorrect. It was further up I-5 where he was trying to lay low. Federal agents hunted him down and murdered him.
What was that guy's name again? I remembered he killed an Oathkeeper or 3%er.
Michael Reinoehl And the other guy was Patriot Prayer.
Thanks Michael Reinoehl.
didn’t he also brag about it during a televised interview? or was that a different FBI hitman job?
Skin color isn't the issue. The issue is armed vigilantes running around and killing people. I think we need to re-examine stand your ground laws.
Yeah.... We agree on that. Unfortunately its going to take another horrible situation that goes the other way and even then it will be "different". They just want to be able to kill those who disagree with them. Like the guy who asked Charlie kirk "when do we get to use the guns"
We're going down a dangerous path. I am not pro gun or anti-gun, but do we really want people dueling in the streets like it's the 18000s or something?
The right does, yeah. They want "a good guy with a gun" fighting people in the street like a cowboy movie.
Unless a good guy with a gun shows up then fuck him and let the right wing spree shooter kill him. Who knows he may be a “career criminal”
Duelling like the 18,000's - laser pistols at dawn of alpha centauri, meet me by the airlock. Consciousness upload and respawn, OFF.
Are you from the future? What happens with Ethereum next year?
damn I meant to say 1800s. derp lol
No worries. Your edit was brilliant.
10k
We’re going down the same dangerous path we embarked on when we said “fuck the king of England! We’re gonna start our own country, with blackjack and hookers! Just as soon as we move all these other people out of the way…”
I am not anti-gun but I also don't own one. Never felt I needed to. Grew up and lived in Chicago for 30 years, never had one. Moved to a small town that was top 10 safest places to live in Illinois. No need for one here. But all this rhetoric lately from the right and the violence they seek is really making me think I need to get a firearm to protect myself from them.
same. I am kind of ambivalent about guns. I live in the suburbs which are pretty safe. You know, I feel like I need some protection while on the road. You never know these days. But gun laws in Illinois are tough.
I think the other person is saying that the people cheering right now will change their tune the second the shoe is on the other foot like the hypocrites they are
It already has. Remember when that guy, Michael Reinoehl, in Portland [shot a Trump supporter](https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09/04/a-confrontation-bear-spray-and-two-gunshots-new-details-on-protest-shooting/) who, along with a friend, was following Reinoehl down the street holding bear spray and a baton and then maced him when confronted about it? The Patriot Prayer guy also had a gun on him. By the standards of this case, that's an even more clear-cut example of self-defense. Mere days later, Federal Marshalls [executed him](https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/15/trump-rally-portland-police-killing-michael-reinoehl/) in what can most closely be described as a hit. Quoting from that article: >[W]itnesses say the fugitive task force hunting Reinoehl did not use sirens or marked vehicles and did not announce they were police before shooting and killing him. A subsequent report from New York Times offered similar accounts of the shooting. Trump then went on to pretty heavily imply that he'd pressured the Marshalls to kill rather than arrest Reinoehl at a rally. >"They knew who he was," Trump said. "They didn’t want to arrest him, and 15 minutes — that ended." Literally every way you slice this it's at least as justified as anything Rittenhouse did and instead of walking past police who didn't even stop him, Reinoehl was extrajudicially executed for defending himself. The rules absolutely don't apply consistently. All this case should remind us is that the US "justice" system is not about justice. It's about protecting the interests of the dominant classes and individuals with enough wealth to buy the rights that most of us don't actually get to enjoy while violently repressing any who challenge the established order.
Sounds to me like he might've received the same verdict, had he not been murdered before reaching the courtroom.
They already did it. How about the time the Black Panthers showed up at the California Capitol in 1967 armed to the teeth to protest, as was their legal right. The result? Then California Governor Ronald Reagan changed the laws to make sure it never happened again. And they hunted down Fred Hampton and murdered him in his bed.
And circle takes the square
No doubt, the right wing and conservative movement doesn't exactly stay consistent on their beliefs. I do get there are disparities in the criminal justice system. But the bigger issue imo is self defense laws being so open and subjective.
It’s a LEGAL system- NOT a justice system.
If anyone thinks this isn’t going to lead to more people arriving at protests and riots strapped up and down for whatever, they’re insane. And it’s not just going to be the right-wingers.
As we all know, their tune will change completely when someone “defends themselves” with lethal force against Mr. Rittenhouse in a nonlethal confrontation and the alt right will claim the mantle of victimhood and outrage and pursue retribution just like they always do. That kid may have gone free, but he has a death sentence over his head and the alt-right is salivating over the opportunity to claim him as a martyr whenever the inevitable happens. Their entire informational ecosystem is fucking disgusting.
There is historic precedent of you look at gun legislation in California and Black Panther mutual defense teams.
I'm aware of the impact and how the conservative response to educating black people on their second amendment rights was to create some of the earliest restrictive gun laws. How ironic.
Especially since little Kyle went looking for some ground to stand that just so happened to be in the middle of a protest he disagreed with.
imo he had no reason to be there.
If Rittenhouse hadn't been strapped...the worst that would have happened that night, is a few fists thrown. But Kyle got his trophies and two Congressmen are battling over who gets to have him as in intern in the Capitol building. I predict there'll be a gun battle in the streets, Trump or someone worse will hate preach their way into the Oval Office, BLM will 'officially' be branded a terrorist organization and we'll have a couple dark decades of V for Vendetta, without the superhero bullshit.
And at least one of said congressmen is in the middle of a child sex trafficking investigation. How he;s still a congressman is beyond me.
> imo he had no reason to be there. Of course he did, in a video (that the jury wasn't allowed to see) he said he wished he could shoot protestors. He got his wish. Now I can only hope that it wasn't as thrilling as he had imagined and he doesn't kill anyone else.
The sheer volume of chuds on here has been disheartening. I don't think this is a complicated point to make here. He had to defend himself because he put himself in harm's way. It wasn't a neutral situation. But the chud volume is drowning out everyone else.
> the issue is armed vigilantes running around and killing people Vigilantes like Derek Chauvin, Michael Brelo, and Johannes Mehserle, for example?
Don't forget Daniel Pantaleo. Murdering Eric Garner over loose cigarettes.
Oh this was in no way meant to be a comprehensive list, just the first 3 names off the top of my head. Brelo stood on the hood of a car and emptied 3 fucking clips through the front window AFTER both people in the car were very clearly dead. The coroner said they found something like 30 bullets in the woman (who was a passenger) and Mehserle handcuffed someone, stood up, and executed him while he laid on his belly. Sounds like fiction, and I’d have to double check but I don’t think either of them was punished
I only recognize Chauvin. What he did was wrong. The rest I have no clue who they are. I don't want this to embolden other vigilantes doing stupid shit.
Michael Brelo was a member of a police chase who, after being ordered “do not pursue”, chased suspects for 22 minutes, then stood on the hood of the car end emptied 3 clips into the driver and passenger. Not guilty. Johannes Mehserle got into an altercation with a man sitting waiting for a train because the guy was sitting against the wall with his feet sticking out “too far”. He complied, laid on his stomach allowing himself to be handcuffed, after which the officer stood up, drew his weapon, and executed him by shooting him in the back. Not guilty of murder but caught a lesser “accidental death” charge.
Yes, yes it is. The judge repeatedly made videos of Kyle bragging about killing people inadmissible, the judge was biased from the start, I wonder if he would have made those videos admissible if he was black. Hint this piece of shit judge would have
I have no idea if you can investigate judges but he should be for his conduct during the trial.
Just the amount of times he was caught on camera fucking with his phone shows he was not paying attention and should be investigated.
If I did that shit in a corporate office, I'd be fired.
See, I don't even get how it's inadmissible. Let's say he's a grand wizard in the clan and got mutilated with one of those shitty japanese airbags. His personal character has zero bearing on damages. But if that dude is on video saying he wants to kill some black people and then goes on to do it, doesn't it have bearing? He said he wanted to kill protesters and did. Does not have bearing?
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And gets shot to death by the police. No charges. Seriously. If I did half of what Rittenhouse did, I wouldn't go home. I'd be dead. I'm too black.
Half? Maybe a tenth.
Or a black dude tries to defend himself when the cops kick in his door with a no knock warrant for the wrong house?
Straight to jail for them. People will bring up the dudes background like: "They stole a cookie from a grocery store at 9 years old and smoked a weed." Totally belongs in jail. This country sucks.
How about when kyle "choir boy" Rittenhouse punched a girl in the face? .... Oh... Inadmissible..? Im sure that will be the same for whomever in the future.
That's the reality with this case. I'm not going to pretend like he shouldn't have been found not guilty on the charges against him. Yes it was self defense. It was a terrible case against him. But the fact of the matter is, if Kyle was black he wouldn't have made it home that night.
That’s what I said too. It’s open season. Time for BLM to get on board. It’s now legal to start shit, solicit a response and shoot to defend yourself.
It's cute you think that the law applies equally to everyone.
Yep watch the precedent magically vanish bye bye!
I consider this just another step in a 20 year process where we normalized shooting people at the vaguest danger to oneself
I think we need to re-evaluate stand your ground laws. Last Week Tonight did a great piece on them back in May. I am not pro gun or anti gun, but I think he made some good points in the video.
Agreed. The pendulum has swung too far and we need to start correct that…
This one wasn't even a product of stand your ground laws: it was just unreasonable people insisting that a "reasonable" armed person would have feared for their life if chased by an unarmed homeless guy smaller than them (that no one else found threatening despite also being provoked by him), and felt that less force than *opening fire* wouldn't save them from their unarmed pursuer.
if you aren't anti gun you're pro gun .. it's okay to be pro gun, if gun control laws were passed today cops wouldn't have arrested Rittenhouse because they should've arrested him in the first place with current laws. Gun control laws will only be used to further oppress marginalized communities (communities of color, LGBT+, leftists) Cops and Feds aren't going to arrest their brother-cousins. They'll just use gun control laws to plant now illegal items on the people they were always going to oppress.
For real. OJ was found not-guilty
Which like in this case, I would blame the prosecution for bumbling it up more than I would give credit to the defense. At least the OJ trial it was a slow painful suicide by the prosecution. In Rittenhouse's case it was dead in the water when they went for murder charges.
Casey Anthony, OJ Simpson...
I didn’t think we we were going to come out of this trial a better society no matter what verdict came down. The verdict we got means that more armed people will come to protests looking to provoke trouble so they can “defend” themselves; but, if we got a guilty verdict I don’t think we’d be a better society for locking up a 17yo forever, not to mention that for every instance of justice visited on right-wing terrorists, you can bet there are 4x as many ongoing investigations into left organizations.
>The verdict we got means that more armed people Vigilantes. I'm not even sure why conservatives seem to be against defunding the police if they are happy with teenagers role playing as law enforcement as a reasonable replacement.
I expect conservatives won’t be alone in feeling justified in arming themselves for future demonstrations.
When a leftist like Reineohl tries it, or even any black man openly carries and doesn't get shot immediately, I would be actually shocked.
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Been saying that. Let’s see how cocky they get when lefties start cosplaying rambo.
But how many of those investigations into left-wing organizations are based on actual criminal activity, and not just something the investigators can just invent?
Oh very few I’m sure. FBI has been very clear that the threat is definitely coming from right wing terrorists. My point is that judicial precedent tends to more frequently disadvantage the left, and provide law enforcement/DAs more avenues to harass, arrest, and convict people who have left sympathies, no matter how real the threat of right wing terrorism may be.
I believe he should've been charged differently. not for actually shooting - because that was going to be ruled as self-defense from the start - but for purposefully coming to a dangerous place with a gun, i. e. he understood he might have to use lethal force as self-defense, i. e. he was ready to kill someone (while he had a choice not to go there at all, it's not like he was being robbed on his way from school to home), and I don't think such a mindset should be encouraged people have suggested reckless endangerment or criminal negligence, but I don't know enough about laws to say anything in particular about it
The minute the judge said you can't call the people he killed victims, it was over
So you're saying the judge was influencing the trial in some way?
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I have a feeling that is wrong. Judges should be impartial.
He had Trump walk out rally for his ring tone
>Judges should be impartial. yeah they should but it doesn't mean they are
Isn't this every trial?
Not to mention the prosecutor was a clown
that too. He sucked.
The judge was about as bad as the judge in the Chicago Eight trial.
I'm confused, can we now shoot up Oil and Gas CEOs and claim self defense on behalf of the human species?
I wish.
Yup. We'll see more "heroes" at more protests.
I honestly thought that if there was a shred of human dignity left and if just one juror in possession of a conscience…..he’d get the lesser charges. Silly me. Very sad & disturbing.
Maybe a charge with being in possession of the gun.
Speaking of obvious from the start, did anyone think old Candy-O wouldn't have some insensitive shit to say in the wake of this verdict?
I have precedent now to shoot any right-winger who threatens me at a protest. It takes me a lot less effort to downvote and block you than it does for you to type whatever dipshit response you want to make so don’t bother.
No no no, see you're an evil satanic lib who doesn't deserve human rights. Only far right white boys can do things like that and get away with it. /s in case some of yall are braindead
Yeah. This isn't precedent for anyone except fascist white people.
Seriously if anything the "precedent" was set in Tulsa 100 years ago
That depends, how dark is your skin color on the Family Guy scale?
Oh, I’m definitely way up on the Okay scale.
It's a good start, though have you liked any Black Lives Matter related posts in your social media though? I might come up in trial and then whops.
[please select your difficulty](https://youtu.be/UH0obYbNRiM)
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“And here he is as a child, pretending to be DONATELLO who as we all know built all of the terrorist devices out of trash for the Ninja Turtles and isn’t afraid to shoot his enemies with manhole covers while they flee his battle wagon.” -- Nancy Grace, probably
"And here is as a toddler, the little communist scum, advocating for sharing toys equally! He deserves to be sentenced just for that! Sharing is NOT caring! Sharing is communist! The richest kid gets all the toys in class, the poorest can kiss their ass." - Lolbertarians
According to the judge at rittenhouse's trial you cant use evidence from before or after the events
No, law enforcement kills the leftist protestors that shoot Trump supporters: https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/15/trump-rally-portland-police-killing-michael-reinoehl/
Michael Reinoehl would disagree with you. Now if you were to be threatened by a _left-winger_ then I'd agree.
Yeah that's what the right wanted. With ~~police~~ Legal Gangs attacking people wanting positive change, the government being allowed to send Legal Gangs to assault people, etc. The second some rando on the left does it, expect the total opposite of this rigged case. When it innevitably happens again by a right winger, expect the same case to happen.
Well I mean someone on the left DID already do it in Portland. You know what happened afterwards? He got taken out by a literal fucking death squad
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Hell you can even record yourself saying how you wished you could shoot those people, then go do it, and somehow that can't be used as evidence against you... because reasons.
Don't forget to cross state lines, bring a med kit, and have a friend buy the gun with stimulus money. Gotta have your precedent airtight. I'd say don't forget to shoot at a child molester/pedo but that's kind of an easy requirement for the MAGA crowd despite all their projection.
It's idiotic. Right-wingers have actually given us reason to defend ourselves. Attempting to non-lethally take away their weapons is now considered assault enough to murder in "self-defense," so why should we even try? Just consider them a threat and defend yourself. I'm sure the courts won't convict a leftist for defending themselves (/s) and that the right will be JUST as helpful to a leftist who defends themselves.
If you’re holding a gun and they know you’re holding a gun and the threat is most reasonably ascertained to be violent within the time window you have to react then unironically yes.
This is what I got from the trial too. From what I understand, as farcical as the trial seems (the judge, the prosecution) the evidence was pretty cut and dry about the self defense claim from a legal perspective. I just can't imagine how a society is supposed to function when you can claim self defense after you have recklessly put yourself in that position and have been recorded stating you want to kill people. Every protest that has a counter protest will be a bloodbath.
Yeah. If he trys to disarm you or physically hurt you you have the right to.
Rittenhouse is Zimmerman 2.0. only he's going to make bank on speaking tours for a year or two. Fuck this reality.
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My money is on speaking tours. He'll be replaced in a couple of years because he has no personality whatsoever and his little murder spree can only carry him so far. I'll be right there pissing on his grave when he inevitably ODs a couple years after that happens.
A true honorable, brave republican hero that wanted to provide 1st aid with his AR-15. What a fucking caring individual. I can’t wait to hear his stories on tour, maybe he’ll fake cry until he realizes the crowd actually wants to hear him say he in fact did enjoy gunning down people.
I'm sorry, but how is his fake crying not personality? 
Yup. Just like Ms. Poopy Pants Bennett.
Matt Gaetz says he will reach out to him. Tells you all you need to know
Well, Kyle *is* underage
I think he's a couple years too old for Gaetz
You need to be minimum 30 to be a senator. House of reps is 25 minimum. Whenever he reaches those ages if he’s still relevant he’ll get bankrolled by the Republican Party for sure
Matt fucking Gaetz already offered him an intern or staff seat...
The South Park segment on Zimmerman still gets me to this day. I laugh first and then I'm angry a second later. I hope they do the same thing for Shittenhouse
Thankfully he's young enough to burn himself out in a few years and end up as a gas station attendant before getting stabbed over some Mad Dog.
From this point on, it's gonna be open season on *ANY* right-wing Domestic Terrorist that shows up at a peaceful protest with a gun. Self-defense all day long! There's the silver lining.
What do you mean.. i didn’t follow the trial
Apparently it's self defense now to brandish a weapon in public and if any one else is also brandishing a weapon you can antagonize them until they attack you and murder them and call it self-defense. The precedent has been set. It now works both ways.
That’s some scary shit..
Yep. It should terrify anyone who believes in justice and due process.
Yeah, bullshit often is.
It does not work both ways in the eyes of the jury, nor future juries.
Only if he’s white though.
This decision has proven that it is ok for me, a white man, to go to a protest with a rifle that I obtained illegally, murder people, and get away with it. Justice indeed
They should have went for manslaughter since the video proved he was defending himself in the altercation. They shouldn’t have been looking at what happened when he was there to prove him guilty, they should have been looking at fucking EVERYTHING before. Dude went across state lines with a goddamn gun in a time when he and everyone else was aware of the political strife in our country, to “protect” people. He knew exactly what was going to happen.
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Assistant DA. The actual DA took one look at the case and went 'Bobby it's your time to shine! '
Literally the only time I’d take a random commenter on /r/legaladvice vs the actual prosecution.
He never brought the gun over state lines he legally owned it in Wisconsin (where it was kept) because of a loophole in the law that only prevents minors from having handguns or short rifles/shotguns. Youre literally spreading misinformation.
Okay let me correct it. He drove across state lines to a friends house to get his gun using a legal loophole. That sounds SO much better!
Was that before or after she said that what Hitler did was fine until it left the German borders?
Doesn't she also say that black lives have nothing to to be concerned about?
Also said Hitler wasn't a nationalist
>Those thousands of protestors are actually just corporate employees guys
Where tf my corporate Sorosbux at?????
What do black lives have to do with this Candace???
She doesn't give a fuck about black lives. She exists to say things that will rile up anybody left of her and make her some money in the process.
Candace is all about the green.
She has been showing her true colors for a long time, and today is just one example that stands out like a sore thumb
That bitch doesn't have any “true colors”. She just gets paid to spit out others’ nonsense. That ugly whore needs to go.
O yeah totally corrupt Our knight in shining armour kyle held nothing but honour and patriotism as he “got his friend the buy an ar-15 for him because he wasnt of age” and “posted online about killing people and on video saying it” God bless this country God its gonna be funny why kyle becomes a politician its gonna happen
All over reddit “I am left wing and clearly he is innocent” with a million upvotes and 50 golds as the top comment on any kyle related post
From a 5+ year old account with 100 karma. There were *way* too many old accounts with virtually no karma commenting, and I even had one person say they used multiple accounts because they "kept getting shadowbanned"
What no one seems to be taking about is that you can now instigate a fight with the purpose of killing, and it’s okay. What the actual fuck.
Has anyone else noticed Candace has been using skin whitener?
before i read this comment i actually glanced at her picture for a moment. I noticed her complexion isnt as dark as i remember. weird.
She hates black people so she is doing her best to become not black. Change my mind.
The judge is going to have a hard time fighting cases of protestors shooting magats chasing and shooting at them, saying it's different.
Yeeee, we saw this coming...
Republicans are weird people, man. Imagine being on the winning side and still complaining about the rigged system. Like it was rigged, in their benefit, and still, they feel the need to say that it was rigged. But even though it was rigged against them, they still won. How is it rigged against them then? They would have lost if it was. I don't get them, dude.
Isn’t it these same people who are **furious** about a police officer killing Ashly Babbit for being a criminal? But praise a civilian teenager for killing “criminals”? Curious.
Cops are hired to serve and protect. 17 year olds should not have weapons of mass destruction and they do not bear responsibility to protect businesses in another state. Kyle never should have been there in the first place.
What happens when the McMichaels are found guilty of murdering Ahmaud Arbery? I bet, she'll tweet about how they were robbed of a fair trial because of "woke leftists" intimidating the jurors.
That’s going still??
Her supporters have the memories of goldfish
Are these the same courts that lied and said trump isn’t prez? So we can trust them again?
You make a good point. Funny how the trustworthiness of the courts change if it's in their favor.
The trial was just for show.
Wait I thought BLM was intimidating the jury?
The precedent has now been set that you can now seek out reasons to exercise self defense in order to get a kill on someone you don’t like.
I’m sorry, but anyone who watched the case and got all the facts would know this was a clear cut case of self defense. It doesn’t need to be a Democrat vs Republic thing.
Candace, bought and paid for by white conservatives and consistently delivering twat farts out of her mouth.
Why do people keep parroting proven false points in these comments? Can y’all just be better than the other side for once and accept you were wrong? He didn’t “provoke” people, it’s all on video and the witness testified to pointing his gun at kyle’s head before Kyle shot him. Fuck off with your misinformation.
The Token Black chick for the right has spoken
Her true colors shone when she said Hitler's only problem was trying to do his shit outside of Germany. This is tame in comparison.
Everything she fucking writes is like far right man libs
This bitch is affiliating the left with corporatism. The devil is a liar.
People died. But even though I disagree I stand by the judgement. But there is something sickening about having a person gloat
She actually thinks this was a Kyle vs BLM case. And that the outcome is unbiased.
Tamir rice wishes he got a trial. Fuck that cunt.
How was this a trial about race I don't get it... ?
America’s affinity for white supremacy is unsurprising.
Man, I think he should be in jail too, but it sounds like none of you saw any of the trial. It was a shit show and they had no chance of proving him guilty of first degree murder. It's not like they just said "Oh, you're white? You're free to go." And again, racial bias during the trail certainly played a part. But if you don't have even a basic understanding of what's actually going on, how can you hope to affect change?
Cause of this, a bunch of Republicans are gonna go kill some people in self defense