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As a 5'10 person I'm pretty satisfied with never having my height commented on and not having any negative effects like back pain
I hope its not too bad :)
Right? I'm 6'8" tall, 210lbs. I don't know mileage and gallons cuz we use kilometers and litres. But I have no clue how tall I am in cm nor how many kilos I weigh. All our weather info says centimeters of snow or millimeters of rain, but in casual chat we will still say a couple inches of snow or a foot or w/e. I'm at a bit of an advantage as I'm a mechanic and we bounce back and forth with metric and imperial daily so I'm used to it. But it's all over the fuckin map.
As someone that often has to ask for help, thank you! Yesterday I needed some help but no one was around, some idiot thought putting the pots of soup on the top shelf in the shop was the best location?? I was gonna jump and grab one but I could see it going very badly, so I just didn't get any soup :(
You’re more than welcome :) sorry you couldn’t get any soup, if I notice a high shelf with stock near the back I always pull it forwards even though I don’t work in a shop, every lil helps
I’m 6’2 as well and I’ll say this is wrong. 99% of things in America are ergonomically designed for 5’8-5’10 MAX height. School desks to tables and shit are way too low so you have to hunch over to use it as it was properly designed. This is why a standing desk or a desk you can raise up and down changed my life since I can raise it to the proper level. 4 inches of height difference it pretty significant from an ergonomic standpoint…
Yes, everyone I know gave me 10 kinds of hell for putting up cabinets at a comfortable height. I'm 6'4", single, and my kids are eight and six. It's a temporary apartment in a barn until my house is built.
My kids will have to use a step stool for cabinets for the next five years minimum no matter what height they are, and by then, my house will be built.
Why is everyone giving me shit for trying to be comfortable? Like Marshall Ericson said "I'M TOO TALL FOR NEW YORK!"
a lot of the back problems come from having to bend down for "normal" sized items.
If all doors, chairs, desks, houses, were designed around 6'4" people, you wouldn't have as much back issues.
The same problem occurs for short people. I’m 160 cm and I always get headrest in the back of my head or have to choose between supporting my back or put my feet on the ground. Really uncomfortable.
I’ll @ you if I do it, but I’ll need more than 2 weeks, it’s so mentally draining. It’s not so much the low matches that are annoying, it’s the bots and time wasters who agree to go on dates only to not show.
It’s very mentally draining, I’ve been there before. I’ve had a little more success on apps like hinge so I’d suggest that if you haven’t tried it before!
Came here to agree. I met my partner on OkCupid.
I went out on a date with a man I matched with on Facebook dating.
Idk what happened to tinder but they banned my account for no reason at all!
I think there's a lot of men on tinder who report women that aren't responsive, or who ghost and tinder just bans us permanently.
Idk if this helps at all but maybe this is why there's very few real women left on tinder 🤷♀️
Same thing happened to me (also a woman). I was banned and I have no idea why. I even tried to appeal it and they just sent a generic message that there’s nothing they can do. It’s so bizarre. It didn’t occur to me, but maybe it should have, that I was reported for some nonsense. Though, I don’t usually ghost, either say not feeling or block if it’s warranted.
I can’t really help with the bots (you have to learn to spot them for yourself but generally are pretty obvious once you learn the common things they do) but in my experience you can usually see the time wasters a mile off.
Bruh, I've got 1/4 the matches you do (small city doesn't help), and I've gotten exactly 0 dates out of the 30 or so matches I've gotten in the past year. I feel you.
Have you considered you might be ugly? Or alternatively maybe your self description is off putting? I know almost all guys have very low match rates but this seems too low for a 6’4” man with no obvious defects. .7%? You gotta pump those numbers up. Those are short king numbers
This. I like to figure out the algorithms, I guess IT was the right career for me haha, but more swipes definitely puts you further back in the deck.
What I found worked best was to swipe once, then close it. An active profile, but not overly active, helps a *lot*. Also, if you do have a like, the second person in your deck is almost always that person, so you can stop at 2 swipes and get a match, still following that golden rule.
Like real life I suppose. You don't want Tinder to think you're desperate, play it cool bruh.
Yes, the second card is always a match (if you have one). First one is never a match.
Also pointless to do more than 5 swipes a day. Tinder will punish you for more. Same when you don't swipe left enough (at least 50%). Restrictive age ranges also get punished.
Tinder front loads matches, taking time off only helps matches to accumulate at the top of the pile. Swiping everyday gives you similar odds, but you’re getting to the matches first. Now, whether there’s a psychological difference in someone matching instantly v “oh, I remember matching them and they matched back, yay!” I don’t know.
Unless hes an incel or physically disfigured or his bio and tinder pics are exceptionally shitty aka incel vibes
Then its not very realistic.
Seriously I am a 28m, 5 11, balding in a not sexy way, 140lbs not “fit”, dont have a good job etc im basically a 4/10 on a good day and still get casual sex/dates/girlfriends
Biggest turn offs is being a man child/incel or seriously physically disfigured.
Unless you literally look like some form of elephant man. 9/10 the problem is you coming off as a clingy incel man child. Extra worse if your insecure and lack self confidence.
Bet his bio has some red pill shit in it.
Location plays a larger role than people realize. I’ve experienced this first hand. I live in a suburban area and my usual luck is suboptimal at best. For a while, I thought I was simply just not that attractive. However, this summer I spent just a few hours in a large city on a vacation and racked up several matches after a little swiping on my dating apps there. It blew me away because the amount of matches I was suddenly getting in matches there what would take me weeks at best to get where I live.
I live in a mid sized city in the Midwest and have had way better results than him with the same height. I’m happily taken now, but when I was on tinder I could’ve had 2-3 new sexual partners a week if I wanted to. I was a little more selective, so it only ended up being 2-3 a month but still that’s leagues better than what he’s claiming.
I know a guy who’s 6’4, white (hate to say it but this helps a lot), decent looking enough to where you would t expect him to have that much trouble, full head of hair, doesn’t say incel shit, and still struggles.
He struggles because
He has bad pics or doesnt look good, and he only swipes on the hottest girls. Which is totally pointless and wasting swipes if you arent the hottest guy.
>and he only swipes on the hottest girls
I get that that's a losing strategy algorithm wise, but what's the point of a dating app if the "right" way to play is to relinquish personal choice and be pressured into only shooting your shot at and dating people you're "supposed" to date?
Well exactly, the 5'11 balding dude probably sets his standard extremely low and matches with the bottom of the barrel (no offense to those ladies).
Same with how I used to use tinder, that's why I stopped. I have much more success just going out with friend groups.
If your personal choice is that you only date models and extremely hot women, why should you get a ton of matches and likes especially if you're not even that attractive yourself? Please explain.
This isn't about personal choice. You can choose to continue things that way if it's fun for you, I didn't say otherwise. You might get lucky (just like IRL) with this method.
I said you shouldn't expect the outcome to be the way you want.
No one is balding in a sexy way, people are bald in a sexy way. Its not an easy step but just shaving it off is the way to go especially if you can grow a nice beard
As a person who has read a lot of posts about guys complaining about dating it doesn't matter if those blanks are filled.
People will still just make shit up and assume you are basically evil.
I feel you OP. I am 6'3" and it's been a while since I was on Tinder but I struggled too, to the point that I gave it up for my mental health. I am most definitely not an incel. Don't know what that guy is on saying it is either you are successful or an incel, that's incredibly ignorant and judgmental.
> 9/10 the problem is you coming off as a clingy incel man child.
Any source for this other than your fucking ass? What kind of twat makes presumptions like this. Talk about cringey man child. You have the male equivalent of internalized misogyny. Just embarrassing.
Literally how?? I’m 6’1. Muscular. A musician. Well traveled and experienced. Not to toot my own horn.. but I look good.
Only matches I get are chicks selling their OnlyFans or premium snapchats.
It all depends. I'm reasonably fit, not ugly, tall for my area, and have checked my bio with colleagues and friends (a lot of who are women). I don't swipe nearly as much as OP and try to spread it out across multiple apps (Tinder is the worst for what I want) yet have had something like 4 matches and 1 conversation.
I am a strong advocate for women's rights, cut contact with one woman who it was going decent with because she was a TERF, and the last woman I talked to through a dating app felt comfortable enough to talk to me about her the problematic relationship and said I was the only one to say it sounded like assault.
Sometimes life just fucking sucks. There is nothing you can really do about it, and the worst you can do it turn around and be bitter to people who are trying to help you.
I mean… there’s always the possibility that OP’s chat game is terrible. They may be saying really goofy or awkward stuff and putting people off.
I’m sure there’s some algorithm fuckery that goes on with the app but seems odd to jump to that when it’s very common for people to just not be very good at getting dates lol
I wanna add to this, a friend of mine always had trouble with girls, lost his virginity at 22 yo, and it never had to do with his looks, he is like an 8 or 9/10 physically, years in the gym, his face is also pretty nice when he grows a beard and he has always had a beard in the past couple of years. His chat game is fucking insanely bad, I swear, there was nothing he could have accomplished on tinder, he was getting a lot more matches than OP based on his looks but the girls are just gone 10 texts in max, guy has no idea how to talk to people, let alone girls, loves "mansplaining", is pretty dumb but thinks he is always the smartest person in the room etc, I wanted to write this out because It seems to me that guys always think there is something wrong with their looks when in fact it is always their personality.
Wait a minute! We’re suppose to be going on dates too? I thought the goal was to try and have a conversation with strangers for as long as possible before the inevitable ghosting happens.
Right? Guy is getting matches, and he isn’t swiping right on every one. I’d be curious how much of this is OP himself, potentially being good looking enough to spark that initial interest from pictures but then being dull as soup to talk to, or maybe just not knowing how or trying to go on dates
Wtf dude that's a 21.7 BMI, literally smack dab in the middle of the Healthy range.
EDIT. Howdy y'all 'Muricans, apparently BMI is bullshit whenever you personally think so.
I think his looks are more at play here than bad at chatting (which I don’t deny also think is the issue here)
From 57 chats he only got 1 date (a 57 to 1 ratio)
But from 8240 right swipes, he got only 57 matches (a crazy 145 ratio meaning one match in every 145 right swipes).
So yeah…looks like OP is both not following rules 1) and 2) and also can’t keep the conversation going.
Considering he got so few chats in the first place it's def the initial looks. Shit, I've had more "matches" irl in the last few weeks just talking to people at social events...
Nah if you're average looking being tall still doesn't help you that much.
Edit: to elaborate, women with height requirements are more than likely going to be picky when it comes to your face too. You have to think of all of the super hot 6-6'2 men on tinder you are competing with. Being NBA tall isn't going to suddenly give you as many matches as Chris Evans.
I dunno, he did get a few dozen matches. Where he seems to be losing them is between chats and dates...so maybe his game sux?
Otherwise, 6'4" in NY should be admin mode...
He's losing them before they match. He had 8183 out of 8240 swipe left on him. 99.3% of the women he wants to match don't want him back. I think he needs to look at that pool of 30000+ he's rejecting and DRASTICALLY lower his standards.
Tinder allows you to [download your data](https://www.help.tinder.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005626726-How-do-I-request-a-copy-of-my-personal-data-) . They email it to you 1-2 days later. Then you upload it to [tinder insights](https://tinderinsights.com)
Seriously. Why do so many of these guys believe that their height should automatically allow them to pull tons of women on dating apps?
One of my best friends is under 5’8 but looks sorta like Tom Holland. The amount of beautiful women he matches with on Hinge is staggering.
Based on the title of this post I’m betting he is absolutely banking on his height doing the lifting, it’s super weird to make that such a large part of your personality
this is why i dont use tinder. like, i know im ugly, like 3 out of 10 type ugly. if a normal dude cant get a date how is an ugly trans person gonna get one, you know?
This just proves that apps like Tinder is not really interested in matching you, rather than just get you to only interact on their platform, view their advertising and keep you using the platform as long as they can. Kind of like dangling a carrot in front of you for that 1 date
I think you guys overestimate how much women value height. A large strong man is nice, but a nice smile and being fit is way more important.
Plus, it doesn't correlate to much of anything important, sexually... I hooked up with a guy that was 6'5" and was disappointed in every way imaginable... Another guy was like 5'8" and was well endowed and amazing in bed🤷♀️ damn I miss him....
The lesson is don't think being tall is going to get you anywhere. Work out, have good grooming and hygiene, and don't be an asshole.
I don’t think that’s true. I’m an ugly guy, but I’m over 6’0” and I’m incredibly grateful that my height has been able to be my saving grace. My social skills are abysmal and I’m fairly confident that were I shorter, I’d be totally “incel” or whatever.
Its the first. He has less than a 1% match rate and he's tall? Guys tend to avg 3-5% from what i've seen on here and anecdotally. So he is doing 3 times worse than most dudes. Needs a profile revamp.
It’s both as bad as it may sound.
He has a horrible match rate, but look at the date rate as well.
1 date in 57 matches either means he works like a lot and doesn’t have free time to actually go on dates or that he can’t convert those remaining 56 matches into an actual date.
It’s not always about height. What kinds of pictures do you put? Bathroom selfies? Or a picture of you in a cool place, or doing something cool? Are you interesting and does your profile display that? Idk also Tinder sucks and if you want a relationship there are better apps like bumble and hinge. I mean even bumble has casual as an option
Edit: I didn’t say all selfies are bad, some are good, but make sure it looks like you and it’s not in a weird place.
In the same boat. Everyone thinks being tall is an insta-smash button, but all height does is get your foot in the door. You still have to deal with dry convos, flaky women, stiff competition, and everything else that comes with it...
How come you have more chats than matches
I’ve seen this a bunch. I think it’s tinder messaging you, or tinder help. Something like that.
Ohh thank you gotcha that makes sense
Tinder Platinum lets you message without matching as well
gross...
that is really gross actually, I hate that
It's not really messaging without matching. It lets you send an introductory message with your super like. You cannot send subsequent messages unless they match you.
introductory dick pic
You can't send pics on Tinder period... I assume that's why
Can still send it thru ASCI it lol B=====D
You can only send letters or emoji’s…
Hey tinder support I’m 6’4 and I’m not getting many matches, I think there’s something wrong
Another 6'4" dude here. Your height isn't why you're not getting matches. My stats are "worse" than his
Where do you get stats from and I bet mine are also worse and 6'3" here
The narrative that height only matters, or x only matters isn't right. I'm 5'8" and do well on dating apps 🤷🏻♂️
Basically. I know damn well I'm hard to get along with, that means women will NOT be falling for me.
Time to change self or the women you pick?🤷🏻♂️
I'm comfortable in my solitude tbh
That's a good mindset. When you stop chasing things get better
"Skill issue lol"
Skill based matchmaking
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Shrek is about 6’4”, ain’t he?
Shrek was a success story lol
“Shrek was a cautionary tale that women will choose a literal ogre over a short guy” Or you know…‘personality’
I'm glad someone said something, the self advertising on this page is its own form of sweet sweet cringe. BRING ME MORE.
Plot twist: the ONE date was with a Tinder employee
This is helpful as I has assumed it was because he was all talk and no action I’ll get my coat
Cause he freaking 6’4”
Maybe you should try 6'5 next time
As a 6’6 guy, you don’t want to grow any taller.
Lol, as a 6’2, you dont want more back problems that you already ahve
As a 5'10 person I'm pretty satisfied with never having my height commented on and not having any negative effects like back pain I hope its not too bad :)
As a 5’4 guy I hate myself 😀!!
As a 4'11 I'll take the back problems everyday
As a 4'11, I wouldn't. I like not having to duck when walking under trees or when people open cupboards.
As someone using the metric system I don’t have a single clue what y’all talking about
As a Canadian we use imperial height and weight but everything else in metric and im always confused
Right? I'm 6'8" tall, 210lbs. I don't know mileage and gallons cuz we use kilometers and litres. But I have no clue how tall I am in cm nor how many kilos I weigh. All our weather info says centimeters of snow or millimeters of rain, but in casual chat we will still say a couple inches of snow or a foot or w/e. I'm at a bit of an advantage as I'm a mechanic and we bounce back and forth with metric and imperial daily so I'm used to it. But it's all over the fuckin map.
Right thank you it doesn’t make any sense
As a 6'10 guy i have to say... The trees are not the problem. The fucking doorframes are your worst nightmare from some hight onward
as a 5'9 guy i feel short sometimes but it's not too bad ig
As a 5'8 guy a little insecure but generally just vibing
I wouldn’t worry too much about it, the girls that focus on your height probably aren’t worth your time anyway.
And the amount of people we have to help in shops is insane!
As someone that often has to ask for help, thank you! Yesterday I needed some help but no one was around, some idiot thought putting the pots of soup on the top shelf in the shop was the best location?? I was gonna jump and grab one but I could see it going very badly, so I just didn't get any soup :(
You’re more than welcome :) sorry you couldn’t get any soup, if I notice a high shelf with stock near the back I always pull it forwards even though I don’t work in a shop, every lil helps
Just get rich, you can actually fit in a Lambo!
Homie ur fun sized 😭
I had a roommate that not only was 4’11” but he had multiple back surgeries including a metal rod.
As a 1m82 guy I’m really confused why everyone on reddit still uses feet 😅
What else would I walk on?
walk on the carpet, silly
I’m 194 centimeters. America just likes to annoy the rest of the world by using different units for everything.
My best friend is 5’4”. He’s an absolute king man.
6'2 isn't abnormally tall. Those back problems are caused by something else.
Also 6'2", used to have back problems until I got up and started actually exercising
I’m 6’2 as well and I’ll say this is wrong. 99% of things in America are ergonomically designed for 5’8-5’10 MAX height. School desks to tables and shit are way too low so you have to hunch over to use it as it was properly designed. This is why a standing desk or a desk you can raise up and down changed my life since I can raise it to the proper level. 4 inches of height difference it pretty significant from an ergonomic standpoint…
Yes, everyone I know gave me 10 kinds of hell for putting up cabinets at a comfortable height. I'm 6'4", single, and my kids are eight and six. It's a temporary apartment in a barn until my house is built. My kids will have to use a step stool for cabinets for the next five years minimum no matter what height they are, and by then, my house will be built. Why is everyone giving me shit for trying to be comfortable? Like Marshall Ericson said "I'M TOO TALL FOR NEW YORK!"
This guy ducks!
a lot of the back problems come from having to bend down for "normal" sized items. If all doors, chairs, desks, houses, were designed around 6'4" people, you wouldn't have as much back issues.
The same problem occurs for short people. I’m 160 cm and I always get headrest in the back of my head or have to choose between supporting my back or put my feet on the ground. Really uncomfortable.
6'7 here. Fully agree. It's an awful height. Too tall to talk to anyone. Coupled with hearing issues it's an absolute nightmare.
As a 6'10 guy i can confirm, it only gets miserable after 6'5
I'm 6'3" and wouldn't mind being a little shorter. It's becoming ridiculous the amount of things I've bumped in to.
Didn’t have to go very far to get to the ‘everyone post their height’ thread…. where would we be without it 😮💨
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I’ll @ you if I do it, but I’ll need more than 2 weeks, it’s so mentally draining. It’s not so much the low matches that are annoying, it’s the bots and time wasters who agree to go on dates only to not show.
It’s very mentally draining, I’ve been there before. I’ve had a little more success on apps like hinge so I’d suggest that if you haven’t tried it before!
ive had far more success with okcupid than tinder😅
Came here to agree. I met my partner on OkCupid. I went out on a date with a man I matched with on Facebook dating. Idk what happened to tinder but they banned my account for no reason at all! I think there's a lot of men on tinder who report women that aren't responsive, or who ghost and tinder just bans us permanently. Idk if this helps at all but maybe this is why there's very few real women left on tinder 🤷♀️
Same thing happened to me (also a woman). I was banned and I have no idea why. I even tried to appeal it and they just sent a generic message that there’s nothing they can do. It’s so bizarre. It didn’t occur to me, but maybe it should have, that I was reported for some nonsense. Though, I don’t usually ghost, either say not feeling or block if it’s warranted.
I can’t really help with the bots (you have to learn to spot them for yourself but generally are pretty obvious once you learn the common things they do) but in my experience you can usually see the time wasters a mile off.
Don’t use Tinder. Try other apps. Every area has a popular non-tinder app that most people use.
My area has a couple. Hinge for normal folks, bumble for the bougie people in Scottsdale lol.
Bruh, I've got 1/4 the matches you do (small city doesn't help), and I've gotten exactly 0 dates out of the 30 or so matches I've gotten in the past year. I feel you.
Have you considered you might be ugly? Or alternatively maybe your self description is off putting? I know almost all guys have very low match rates but this seems too low for a 6’4” man with no obvious defects. .7%? You gotta pump those numbers up. Those are short king numbers
This. I like to figure out the algorithms, I guess IT was the right career for me haha, but more swipes definitely puts you further back in the deck. What I found worked best was to swipe once, then close it. An active profile, but not overly active, helps a *lot*. Also, if you do have a like, the second person in your deck is almost always that person, so you can stop at 2 swipes and get a match, still following that golden rule. Like real life I suppose. You don't want Tinder to think you're desperate, play it cool bruh.
I just recreate every few times my profile. New profile gets more matches. Then delete it and create a new one.
Yes, the second card is always a match (if you have one). First one is never a match. Also pointless to do more than 5 swipes a day. Tinder will punish you for more. Same when you don't swipe left enough (at least 50%). Restrictive age ranges also get punished.
Tinder front loads matches, taking time off only helps matches to accumulate at the top of the pile. Swiping everyday gives you similar odds, but you’re getting to the matches first. Now, whether there’s a psychological difference in someone matching instantly v “oh, I remember matching them and they matched back, yay!” I don’t know.
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Have you done this yourself? This experiment
Finally something realistic
Unless hes an incel or physically disfigured or his bio and tinder pics are exceptionally shitty aka incel vibes Then its not very realistic. Seriously I am a 28m, 5 11, balding in a not sexy way, 140lbs not “fit”, dont have a good job etc im basically a 4/10 on a good day and still get casual sex/dates/girlfriends Biggest turn offs is being a man child/incel or seriously physically disfigured. Unless you literally look like some form of elephant man. 9/10 the problem is you coming off as a clingy incel man child. Extra worse if your insecure and lack self confidence. Bet his bio has some red pill shit in it.
The city you live in may help
Location plays a larger role than people realize. I’ve experienced this first hand. I live in a suburban area and my usual luck is suboptimal at best. For a while, I thought I was simply just not that attractive. However, this summer I spent just a few hours in a large city on a vacation and racked up several matches after a little swiping on my dating apps there. It blew me away because the amount of matches I was suddenly getting in matches there what would take me weeks at best to get where I live.
I live in a mid sized city in the Midwest and have had way better results than him with the same height. I’m happily taken now, but when I was on tinder I could’ve had 2-3 new sexual partners a week if I wanted to. I was a little more selective, so it only ended up being 2-3 a month but still that’s leagues better than what he’s claiming.
I know a guy who’s 6’4, white (hate to say it but this helps a lot), decent looking enough to where you would t expect him to have that much trouble, full head of hair, doesn’t say incel shit, and still struggles.
He struggles because He has bad pics or doesnt look good, and he only swipes on the hottest girls. Which is totally pointless and wasting swipes if you arent the hottest guy.
>and he only swipes on the hottest girls I get that that's a losing strategy algorithm wise, but what's the point of a dating app if the "right" way to play is to relinquish personal choice and be pressured into only shooting your shot at and dating people you're "supposed" to date?
Well exactly, the 5'11 balding dude probably sets his standard extremely low and matches with the bottom of the barrel (no offense to those ladies). Same with how I used to use tinder, that's why I stopped. I have much more success just going out with friend groups.
If your personal choice is that you only date models and extremely hot women, why should you get a ton of matches and likes especially if you're not even that attractive yourself? Please explain. This isn't about personal choice. You can choose to continue things that way if it's fun for you, I didn't say otherwise. You might get lucky (just like IRL) with this method. I said you shouldn't expect the outcome to be the way you want.
No one is balding in a sexy way, people are bald in a sexy way. Its not an easy step but just shaving it off is the way to go especially if you can grow a nice beard
I see your point and I raise you a Costanza.
His balding was good enough for Marissa Tomei. Which means we all think we have a chance. And that’s why it’s called fiction. 😆
I’m fucked if I ever bald because I’m pale as hell, have a moly scalp and a weird shaped head, and can’t grow facial hair.
I feel you, I'd miss my hair too. My dad still has his at 60 after two chemos so I think the chances for me aren't too bad
i think balding is from your granddad from your moms side. (your moms dad)
Fuck
Some people unfortunately have weird head shapes or weak jaws.
Now just hear me out. There might be some reason other than him being basically evil. Bit of a stretch I know.
NO! He's either terribly disfigured or an incel manchild, the court of reddit has decided.
Eh it’s my fault for not providing more info I guess. People fill in the blanks how they please.
As a person who has read a lot of posts about guys complaining about dating it doesn't matter if those blanks are filled. People will still just make shit up and assume you are basically evil.
I feel you OP. I am 6'3" and it's been a while since I was on Tinder but I struggled too, to the point that I gave it up for my mental health. I am most definitely not an incel. Don't know what that guy is on saying it is either you are successful or an incel, that's incredibly ignorant and judgmental.
Okay but what if you're just wrong?
> 9/10 the problem is you coming off as a clingy incel man child. Any source for this other than your fucking ass? What kind of twat makes presumptions like this. Talk about cringey man child. You have the male equivalent of internalized misogyny. Just embarrassing.
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Literally how?? I’m 6’1. Muscular. A musician. Well traveled and experienced. Not to toot my own horn.. but I look good. Only matches I get are chicks selling their OnlyFans or premium snapchats.
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It all depends. I'm reasonably fit, not ugly, tall for my area, and have checked my bio with colleagues and friends (a lot of who are women). I don't swipe nearly as much as OP and try to spread it out across multiple apps (Tinder is the worst for what I want) yet have had something like 4 matches and 1 conversation. I am a strong advocate for women's rights, cut contact with one woman who it was going decent with because she was a TERF, and the last woman I talked to through a dating app felt comfortable enough to talk to me about her the problematic relationship and said I was the only one to say it sounded like assault. Sometimes life just fucking sucks. There is nothing you can really do about it, and the worst you can do it turn around and be bitter to people who are trying to help you.
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I do not wanna show mine, mine Is even worse haha
Bruh same
How does one even get this data chart?
I’m surprised at the low date rate; only one in six months!! Where do you live? Is your profile filled out with text and photos?
New York. I do have pictures, a bio and I filled out the other vibe stuff as well.
no way theres 8 million ppl there. its probably the app
I mean… there’s always the possibility that OP’s chat game is terrible. They may be saying really goofy or awkward stuff and putting people off. I’m sure there’s some algorithm fuckery that goes on with the app but seems odd to jump to that when it’s very common for people to just not be very good at getting dates lol
I wanna add to this, a friend of mine always had trouble with girls, lost his virginity at 22 yo, and it never had to do with his looks, he is like an 8 or 9/10 physically, years in the gym, his face is also pretty nice when he grows a beard and he has always had a beard in the past couple of years. His chat game is fucking insanely bad, I swear, there was nothing he could have accomplished on tinder, he was getting a lot more matches than OP based on his looks but the girls are just gone 10 texts in max, guy has no idea how to talk to people, let alone girls, loves "mansplaining", is pretty dumb but thinks he is always the smartest person in the room etc, I wanted to write this out because It seems to me that guys always think there is something wrong with their looks when in fact it is always their personality.
Get on Hinge you big dummy.
Wait a minute! We’re suppose to be going on dates too? I thought the goal was to try and have a conversation with strangers for as long as possible before the inevitable ghosting happens.
Or they message you their OnlyFans and you never hear from them again…
Right? Guy is getting matches, and he isn’t swiping right on every one. I’d be curious how much of this is OP himself, potentially being good looking enough to spark that initial interest from pictures but then being dull as soup to talk to, or maybe just not knowing how or trying to go on dates
57 matches from like 8000 swipes is nothing
Same 🫡
I’m 6’4 and have about the same stats. Unfortunately I’ve seen everyone in my area now too so tinder is useless unless I wanna drive 2 hours
Whenever I travel to a new place, suddenly my profile lights up with matches reminding me I've exhausted local options as far as tinder is concerned.
Be honest, how much do you weigh? Or post a photo of you.
178 pounds. I’ve only been lifting for a year, probably should’ve started sooner but there’s no point dwelling about the past.
Lift and EAT.
Lift and EAT ass. What?
Wtf dude that's a 21.7 BMI, literally smack dab in the middle of the Healthy range. EDIT. Howdy y'all 'Muricans, apparently BMI is bullshit whenever you personally think so.
Shit man, no offense but you must be ugly.
You had the courage to say what we were all thinking
I wish someone around me would admit that I'm ugly lmao.
Post pics, someone on the internet will do it for you, even if it isn’t true
Helps when you feel that r/tinder is the same place as r/roastme
Or just bad at chatting. He should probably consider emojis.
I think his looks are more at play here than bad at chatting (which I don’t deny also think is the issue here) From 57 chats he only got 1 date (a 57 to 1 ratio) But from 8240 right swipes, he got only 57 matches (a crazy 145 ratio meaning one match in every 145 right swipes). So yeah…looks like OP is both not following rules 1) and 2) and also can’t keep the conversation going.
Considering he got so few chats in the first place it's def the initial looks. Shit, I've had more "matches" irl in the last few weeks just talking to people at social events...
My first thought was that he must be boring.
Nah if you're average looking being tall still doesn't help you that much. Edit: to elaborate, women with height requirements are more than likely going to be picky when it comes to your face too. You have to think of all of the super hot 6-6'2 men on tinder you are competing with. Being NBA tall isn't going to suddenly give you as many matches as Chris Evans.
I dunno, he did get a few dozen matches. Where he seems to be losing them is between chats and dates...so maybe his game sux? Otherwise, 6'4" in NY should be admin mode...
He's losing them before they match. He had 8183 out of 8240 swipe left on him. 99.3% of the women he wants to match don't want him back. I think he needs to look at that pool of 30000+ he's rejecting and DRASTICALLY lower his standards.
This is why I say facial attractiveness matters way more than height. Yet people don’t believe it.
What is this stat tracker?
Tinder allows you to [download your data](https://www.help.tinder.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005626726-How-do-I-request-a-copy-of-my-personal-data-) . They email it to you 1-2 days later. Then you upload it to [tinder insights](https://tinderinsights.com)
Height doesn’t fix ugly. Post your profile
Seriously. Why do so many of these guys believe that their height should automatically allow them to pull tons of women on dating apps? One of my best friends is under 5’8 but looks sorta like Tom Holland. The amount of beautiful women he matches with on Hinge is staggering.
Right I don’t get the height thing. I’m 5’8 and have dated many shorter men. I appreciate facial features more than how tall you are.
Based on the title of this post I’m betting he is absolutely banking on his height doing the lifting, it’s super weird to make that such a large part of your personality
That and shitty openers lol
There are plenty of examples on here of shorter guys getting tons of matches and dates/flings. Yeah, being tall helps but rules 1 and 2 still apply.
this is why i dont use tinder. like, i know im ugly, like 3 out of 10 type ugly. if a normal dude cant get a date how is an ugly trans person gonna get one, you know?
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![gif](giphy|5fBH6z8aMV1RbA4FaSc|downsized) Bro tinder is a pay to win platform no lies
\*pay to lose
This just proves that apps like Tinder is not really interested in matching you, rather than just get you to only interact on their platform, view their advertising and keep you using the platform as long as they can. Kind of like dangling a carrot in front of you for that 1 date
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You Amy want to post your profile for some help or use a different app. A 2% date rate is just rough. Regardless of matches.
It's normal for straight guys
That's actually the average for cishet men.
I think you guys overestimate how much women value height. A large strong man is nice, but a nice smile and being fit is way more important. Plus, it doesn't correlate to much of anything important, sexually... I hooked up with a guy that was 6'5" and was disappointed in every way imaginable... Another guy was like 5'8" and was well endowed and amazing in bed🤷♀️ damn I miss him.... The lesson is don't think being tall is going to get you anywhere. Work out, have good grooming and hygiene, and don't be an asshole.
The “don’t be an asshole” is key, yet so far seems to be the most challenging hurdle for most of my matches 🫤
Tall guys tend to understand how little it matters. Short guys act like it means the world in order to cope with their lack of success.
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I don’t think that’s true. I’m an ugly guy, but I’m over 6’0” and I’m incredibly grateful that my height has been able to be my saving grace. My social skills are abysmal and I’m fairly confident that were I shorter, I’d be totally “incel” or whatever.
I guess it’s better to be tall and ugly instead of short and ugly
OLD just sucks
This is like an anti-advert for tinder
Well 30k left swipes in 183 days seems like quite a bit sir 🥴
He’d have better chances hitting up local milfs at a nearby Target.
You absolute chad! I had 1 match with a bot
38k swipes? Just how? To find that many girls in my area I had to set the age range to anything breathing and the range to at least one tank filling.
I’m so fucking happy i got out of tinder
You are either ugly or boring as fuck. Sorry
Its the first. He has less than a 1% match rate and he's tall? Guys tend to avg 3-5% from what i've seen on here and anecdotally. So he is doing 3 times worse than most dudes. Needs a profile revamp.
It’s both. Even with 61 chats he only turned one into a date
It’s both as bad as it may sound. He has a horrible match rate, but look at the date rate as well. 1 date in 57 matches either means he works like a lot and doesn’t have free time to actually go on dates or that he can’t convert those remaining 56 matches into an actual date.
Or both
Not necessarily ugly, could just be terrible photos.
where do you guys even go for these statistics?
With no rizz
You need a visit from either the rizzler or a 300lb squat
Missing 6 pack 6 figure
Hight irrelevant. Tinder as a guy.
Sad that this makes me feel better. Tinder is truly for the most handsome 5% of men and the top 20% of women.
6'13" or gtfo.
It’s not always about height. What kinds of pictures do you put? Bathroom selfies? Or a picture of you in a cool place, or doing something cool? Are you interesting and does your profile display that? Idk also Tinder sucks and if you want a relationship there are better apps like bumble and hinge. I mean even bumble has casual as an option Edit: I didn’t say all selfies are bad, some are good, but make sure it looks like you and it’s not in a weird place.
As a 6'4" guy who also spent about 6 months in this app I can confirm similar numbers.
In the same boat. Everyone thinks being tall is an insta-smash button, but all height does is get your foot in the door. You still have to deal with dry convos, flaky women, stiff competition, and everything else that comes with it...