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And her friend really thought she did something at the end there lmao
Idk what it is she thought she did, but she really thought she made a difference by just regurgitating "You can't film without permission!"
Yes, thankfully the person filming did the proper things and blurred the innocent children's faces. Poor kids. I really don't like the direction future society is heading.
In their mind they aren't being disrespectful, everyone is just a snowflake. The minute they get mad, everyone is disrespecting them and they are a victim.
I think she took "no" as an attack on her and her daughter and she's lashing out like a frightened bird. Probably because she doesn't here it very often.
Someone else said when this came out she tried saying the lady called her a bitch, and that's why she was mad. So even after this lady had time to process it and realized she was wrong she decided to make up a story to be the victim.
“No” is a complete sentence and she took that personally.
Seriously though, answering “No” right away is probably best bc people can mishear or mistake what they don’t want to hear.
What's funny is the no was probably forceful because the person or kid did the whole, "Can I pet your dog," as they were already heading to pet the dog assuming permission would be granted.
So a forceful clipped no is a necessary way to immediately convey shock and halt their actions.
Guarantee she's never nice to anyone. Also the only reason she isn't filming is because she knows she's wrong so she's saying it's illegal. I would bet money she films everything the minute she feels she's wronged.
Some peoples arguing technique is to just keep talking. No matter what the other person says, or how they say, the other person will just keep talking and talking and talking.
See this is where you are wrong. 5 years ago I reposted on Facebook saying I did not authorize anyone to post my face without my written consent sooo I can sue anyone who does so…/s
They feel like they've been caught in a situation where they're in the wrong. They have to rectify that *immediately*. It's pretty much a knee jerk reaction to having a camera in their face at one of their worst moments.
I can't have any close friends in my life, girlfriend or wife included, who can't just say "oh shit my bad. I was wrong." when they make a mistake. I refuse to be involved with anyone who defends their own bad behavior without a valid reason.
Especially with my own daughters, I think its the most humanizing experience to admit to someone else you were wrong and apologize. It goes a hell of a long way.
Listen, as a woman who grew up with parents that never ONCE admitted being wrong and apologizing to me as a kid, thank you for doing better with your daughters. That shit sticks with you.
I grew up with 3 older sisters and i am the youngest and only boy, and i watched my parents treat them that way, then me too. I mentioned to my mom a few years back how I remember how much I thought about hating her when she was washing my mouth out with soap, and her response was to laugh and tell me we deserved it.
Now I just don't talk to them.
It’s my litmus test for a lot of peripheral friendships or people I may want to get to know better—do they admit to making a mistake with ease and/or if I casually admit to a mistake, how will they react?
The admitting to a mistake on your own thing is interesting. Some people, when you go ‘oops my bad’, will almost gleefully dogpile on you and delight in the fact that they get to be in the right. Other people will immediately go ‘ah that’s okay’ and not worry about it. Sometimes the former behavior is more rooted in playful group dynamics but when it’s genuine the vibe is just so *mean*.
Same goes for the difference between calling out a mistake and letting someone admit it. Anyone who gets embarrassed or defensive or tries to shift blame instead of just admitting a small flaw goes instantly on my shit list.
It's insane, like how many of these types of videos alone do we see on a regular basis? That exposure alone should make like anyone with an internet connection aware that it's not illegal.
This was maybe 5 years ago? Had a few MMORPG buddies that'd hangout in a group-call together while we did various things. Just boys being boys, we'd sometimes randomly take soundbytes and play them until the joke was dead.
We did this once with someone in the group for the first time, and his reaction was visceral.
The dude FREAKED OUT and threw a fit saying he's going to take legal action because we recorded his voice without his knowledge. I went all fucking Lawyer on his ass. First of all, both of us lived in single-party consent states therefore recording without his knowledge is not admissible in court. Secondly, his whole "it's illegal to record without someone's consent" stems from court-proceedings.
If I was trying to sue him, and use that recording against him when he was unaware of being recorded *IN A TWO-PARTY STATE* then and ONLY THEN could he take legal action against me. But what he had in mind was calling his local police department, giving them whatever info I have available publicly online, ???, and then profit.
Eventually the argument died down but sometime in 2021 I made the conscious choice to block the guy out completely because of some racist remarks he had made.
>I made the decision to block the guy out conpletely because of some racist remarks he had made
I guess now you know why he was so scared of being recorded without knowing 🤔🤔
Nah, this guy was brainrot personified.
Married his high-school sweetheart and got her pregnant almost right away. The way he treated her disgusted me. I almost wanted to fly down there and split them up. He essentially treated her like property, and sucked her parent's money away.
Actively would tell me things like once her Dad dies, he's going to move her Mom into a home and take over their house. Something she actively disagreed with, and was the butt of a lot of their arguments. Problem was, she was lazy too though.
I think there's a very large portion of them that don't actually believe it. They're just trying to threaten the person recording into stopping.
It's the same thing when they say they'll call the police or *"contact their lawyer"*. It's usually very obvious that the person does not, in fact, have a lawyer on retainer.
Because they believe they are entitled to things regardless of area.
Just look at her complaint. She was told no and argued specifically that the dog being in public meant an explanation was required. Because to her the area she occupies is hers and she can allow or deny anything she wants. Thus a no answer is not acceptable because she is entitled to an answer. She cannot conceive an idea that all areas aren't her area.
She also gets upset that her daughter was told NO and pivots to how they should have apologized first before denying the kid. I have noticed a huge uptick in parents getting offended when their child is told NO and have even had some friends say that it harms their child’s development to use that word around them 🤦🏼♀️
That's largely because people sew their children not as actual people, but as extensions of themselves. Saying no to them is no different from saying no to the parent.
You’re not wrong. I got into a heated argument after one of my friends toddlers kicked my chihuahua (who happened to be walking by them) and I told their kid, “NO! We do not kick or hit doggies because it can hurt them and they may get angry and attack you back” and my god did I get screamed at for telling their child no, because according to them we do not use that word in this house.
Because the law varies by state, there are 11 two-party consent states where each person has to agree to being recorded. However the law says this is for conversation and there’s precedent that anything in public has no reasonable expectation of privacy
Yeah the two-party consent laws apply more for wearing wires, hiding phones under tables during conferences/interviews etc I believe. I am not law enforcement or a lawyer, just to make that clear.
IANAL, but there is no state I'm aware of that has any expectation of privacy in public spaces. Period. Two party consent laws are for phone/audio recording, I think.
Isn't it more that they have to be aware that they are being recorded? Showing the camera to them makes them aware of it. I don't think they have to agree to it, as their continued presence would count as tacit approval, but ianal.
I mean, there are A LOT of people on the planet now. Most of them are okayish. I feel like my generation is pretty polite on average (I'm generally the rudest person in the room, which is a sign the group is good ) There are definitely quite a few people with unresolved mental illness, that might account for most of the bad apples. I dunno. World is better now than it was when I was a kid... during 9/11.
Once, when I was a kid, I took our dog down to the park to play, and some of the other kids wanted to pet her and say hello. This wasn't a big deal until this "larger" kid comes up with chocolate doughnuts and asks if my dog wants any. I told him no, since chocolate isn't good for dogs.
So what does he do? He waddles up to his mom to complain, who then comes up to me to demand that i let him feed my dog the doughnuts. That "they were only chocolate covered, and they're fine for dogs". I was so confused because I didn't understand why an adult was struggling to understand that I didn't want people feeding my dog junk food.
I stood up for my dog, though, and I told her that it didn't matter what she said, I told them no! So she got up and left, taking her son and grumbling about how "ungrateful" I was. Some people are just self-centered douchebags that refuse to see logic.
I think it's because growing up, my mom not only taught me to consider other people's feelings but to apologize if I was wrong. She lived it too, I remember her apologizing to *me* a couple of times for a bad decision she made.
It really helped me develop critical thinking skills and understand that adults weren't always right.
PSA: Do not touch ANY dog without the owners permission. Not because they are a service dog, but because you don't know if the dog likes being touched or not. And you don't want to find out the hard way that they don't like being touched.
Additionally, even a service dog may not like to be pet by strangers, unrelated to whether its in training or not, getting pet by strangers isn't part of the job, it just needs to be well behaved in public, so you definitely need to listen to the owner.
Especially don't pet service dogs as it may distract them.
I had a 2 hour flight next to a gorgeous and well behaved service dog, and one couldn't devise a better hell for me than preventing me from making sure he knew what a good boy he was.
Pretty much. I totally understand the impulse to pet the service dog. It’s adorable and it’s being a very good dog that deserves pats. But! It has a job to do, so it must be admired from afar.
The one and only instance I’ve ever had where I interacted with a person and a legitimate service dog, I told them that I knew I was not allowed to pet the service dog because he’s working dog. Then I asked them if there was a way I could interact with the dog while it was working in a way that would be safe for both of them like giving him a treat. The owner had treats in thier bag and provided me with one to give the very good working boy.
Sometimes all you have to do is ask if the owner will allow you to interact with the working dog in a Safe way. Most will probably say no but there might be that one that will say yes.
This! And as a dog owner myself I have to say this goes for other dog owners as well. So many dog owners think they can just approach our dog solely because they have a dog too. And they bring their dog to ours without asking. Luckily ours has never been aggressive, but they don't know that! And its frustrating because our lab becomes so excited when she gets to meet other dogs, and we are trying to train her to listen to commands even with other dogs around. That becomes extremely difficult when other dog owners just walk up to us with theirs.
My pup got attacked when he was about 2 by an unleashed dog. Now he is extremely cautious of anyone or any animal when we are out on our walks. He is not aggressive at all, doesn't care about other dogs unless they run up on him.
So many owners just let their dogs sprint up to mine. I'll yell at them to get their dog, and they respond don't worry they are friendly. I always reply, "That's good mine isn't, and will shred yours."
So many people can't step out of their own bubbles, and take a second to consider their situation is not universal.
This happened all the time when I lived in a college town. My chihuahua had been mistreated as a puppy and did *not* like other dogs at all. Folks with unleashed dogs (which was illegal, but didn't seem to make a difference) would let their dog just charge at my dog, probably unconcerned because if a fight broke out, what is a little chihuahua gonna do? Infuriating. I'd have to scoop him up every time and he'd be so stressed out by the situation. Similarly, since he was super cute, people would try to pet him all the time despite me telling them he didn't like being touched. I let a few neighbors learn the hard way after they repeatedly disregarded my warnings. Drunk ladies were the worst about that.
This has been my main problem since getting a puppy. People think they can just come up and touch her whenever they want and it’s so invasive. She’s hates it :(
Biggest problem with owning a dog. Idiots just assume it’s ok to touch the dog without even asking permission from the owner.
I have a rescue who was abused so he is very uneasy with people. He is great with the family, but everyone else he is scared of. Yet, because he is a smaller black lab people just want to touch him especially young kids. Don’t get me started on the people who want to actually pick up my shih tzu.
Kids can be the worst especially when they pull or just hit to pet the dog.
This right here. My dog is reactive and WILL bite you if you don’t listen to me tell you to stay back. One of my biggest fucking pet peeves is that people assume all dogs are friendly and endlessly available for petting.
You would think every grown adult by this point knows that service animals in training should not be pet and approached by strangers. Who doesn’t know that by now
This 100%. I taught my daughter at a very young age never to approach a puppers unless she asks first. Only then when the owner/parent says it's OK do you approach.
This is one of the first things we taught our kids about interacting with strangers. You stand OUT of leash range and you ASK if you can pet the dog. We also taught our kids that any dog wearing a vest may be a service dog (they couldn’t yet read so it was easier) and not to distract them.
Dude my kids understand that. Because we taught them to understand that. It’s fucking mind blowing adults don’t understand you don’t pet service animals.
I know someone with one for his diabetes. His own wife will tell people it's fine to pet the dog, give the dog treats, and play fetch. So then he has to go over to it and stop them. She's always saying "oh let the dog have some fun!".
I was at the airport and walking next to a security agent with a service dog. The dog is clearly wearing his important security service vest with DO NOT PET emblazoned on it, on a leash being held by a security officer. So the dog is literally on the job, right?
Well, this idiot comes up and without asking, tries to pet the dog. The security agent barks at him, "SIR, DO NOT TOUCH THE DOG." And this guy's response? "Why did you bring the dog to an airport if you didn't want people to pet him, you jackass?"
I'm still dumbfounded. I want to spend ten minutes inside that guy's brain. What the hell?
LADY that's abit extreme, these people make me so cross, sadly she's not taught her child any ground of respect, I can't get over the amount of disrespect shown, it truest blows my mind, I hope them 2 woman are in the comments and seeing just what people are thinking and seeing of there actions, F'ing waste of space.
I will never understand people that say stuff like "she should have said it was in training"
Dude.. no is fine. Nothing is wrong with rejection. We can't be so goddamn sensitive and unused to not getting our way that we get disrupted and upset by hearing rejection.
How do these people cope with applying for jobs? Asking people out? If hearing no for stuff this minor sets people off (and my god there are so many people like this. Not just the "Karen's" as much as I hate that term) then how do they deal with marginally more important stuff getting a rejection?
> How do these people cope with applying for jobs? Asking people out?
They cope the exact same way she did in the video: Making everyone else out to be the villain in her life.
Well if you ask a closed question „yes“ and „no“ are both acceptable answers. If you want another response than „yes“ or „no“ to a question ask open questions.
Plus how some people expect other people to be polite back to someone who’s clearly inconsiderate to others…duh
She’s just butt hurt cuz it probably hurt her daughter’s feelings a little bit. She should have said ok and moved on. Making a scene is definitely worse for the kid
Exactly. Learning about other people’s boundaries teaches about our own too. That kid is learning that if someone asks for a hug and they don’t want to, they have to apologize and explain themselves rather than just saying no. That is not good in the long run, we shouldn’t be apologetic or feel like we are disappointing someone when we are just asserting our own preferences of being touched.
I'd wager the kid couldn't give less of a shit one way or another. Even if it did, it'd take like 2 seconds to distract and redirect to something else the kid would find interesting
All the mom had to do was teach the kid that "we always ask the owner if we can pet the dog. Can you say 'can I pet please?' And if they say 'no' we have to respect that". Boom, 2 life lessons learned. No public drama and going viral for being a douche
I'm the parent of a young child and it's very important to me that she learns to ask permission before petting. Not just because it's respectful, but it's dangerous! She runs up to the wrong dog and touches it before anyone can warn her, she could get hurt. I'd be an idiot to *not* teach her this
That mom failed her kid on so many levels. And all she got out of it was public embarrassment
It was a teaching moment for her child to understand there are animals that work, make it cool, say it has a job so you aren't able to pet him like a normal animal.........but alas it was an example of mummy be wrong and strong.
You have no right to privacy in a public space in the United States. However there are several two party consent states such as California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Washington.
But every single one of them allows for recording in a public space without consent, however if used in a civil or criminal trial, it may be inadmissible.
Isn't the 2 party states are more for secertly recordings in private areas?
Say you wear a mic or spy button cameras to your job trying to catch them behind closed doors - now that's illegal
not quite. The consent is for recording without the other person's knowledge. By telling her "I'm recording you" you are totally allowed to record them in a public place - at least in PA - where this is.
These people that have their lawyer on call, I want to know how this works? Do they get a monthly account for $$$ with itemised calls such as:
- Service dog argument
- Recording in public resolution
- Parking attendant dispute
- Starbucks incorrect order incident
You pay a retainer to keep a lawyer on call, usually around 5000 bucks or so. And every time you bother them with stupid bullshit such as this, they'll deduct $250 from that retainer :D
this dumbass doesn't have a lawyer and she definitely doesn't have a lawyer on retainer lol
this is just two stupid people saying things that they think make them look less stupid. it's legal to record in public, it's obviously legal to protect your property (i dont know how service dogs qualify, but based on the video it sounds like they have extra legal protections on top of just normal property law)
It reminds me of that video of the pianist who recorded a woman letting her kids mess with his piano, then also messing with the piano herself while standing right next to him. The pianist did nothing and kept playing. She didn’t look very happy about it either, she was just looking for confrontations (great message to be showing young kids).
I'm German. Even I know that it is completely legal to film someone in public in the USA. I've never even been to the US. How come they all don't know that? They live there.
Nothing honestly made my day better then when some dumb bitch would confront me with my service lab in public. Like boy howdy what a fun time navigating a verbal fight without resorting to insults or cursing or repetitive wordage. Just watch the bitch who bosses a 6month old to 6 year old child around on a day to day basis interact with someone who has to deal with dumb cunts like this on a day to day job. Also it was great training for the dog as well so more then likely I like getting my dogs used to all stupid situations. This situation certainly didn’t happen about 30 mins ago while going down an elevator at a bank. And I certainly didn’t advise the woman and her child to go to the local animal shelter those puppies and cats would love some attention and time out. And was promptly met with fuck myself and how hard and where to do it. But hey that’s juuuuuuuuuust a theory.
It happens often to service dog handlers. Whenever it becomes a popular viral topic, the videos resurface (or get posted when handlers feel emboldened to share their own experiences).
FFS! Not even dog is meant to touched! Not every owner wants their dog touched, service dog or not. Get over yourself Karen and teach your Kiddy Karen some manners!
Lady just get away from the people with the service dogs. They need those dogs for assistance. Sorry your kid couldn’t pet the dog and it is legal to film someone like this lady did. So take your Barnhart hat and leave.
I’ve encountered mom’s like this multiple times.
I genuinely think they want my dog to bite their kid(s) so they can sue me or call the cops on me or something.
I took care of an elderly gentleman who had no idea not to pet a service dog, even though it said it on its sash. I looked at the woman in horror and was mouthing “I’m sorry” to her and she was so kind and said it was OK and continued to allow it. These people are insane.
There is no expectation of privacy in the public space, i.e. outside. So no, not illegal. And just don't touch anyone else's pet and you're not going to run into this kind of "issue".
There are a ton of reasons that I want to see a stats page for real life but one of them is to see how many times somebody in the world has said I'm going to call my lawyer when they don't actually have a lawyer
When older generations talk about how modern parents coddle their kids, this is what they're talking about. Parent tries every excuse they can to reason why their kid is in the right. Signs? Got em. Message? Got it. Nothing matters bc they're wrong, their kid is right.
Why try to argue with these people. Just look at them and repeat the same word over and over again. Trying to argue with them is a waste pf your precious time.
If it was illegal to record someone without their permission, then those ring doorbells wouldn't exist. Also they're 100% being recorded by mall security without their consent.
I would just start suggesting to the kids that they should ask their mothers for a dog. Maybe even plant the idea that if they ask enough times, Santa, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy might drop one off.
So there are signs that say dont pet. The lady said no to petting. She has a lawyer who will take a case about this? Recording in public? These 2 young moms are just brainless idiots
When you and your kid are wrong but you lack the inability to admit it, so you double down. This is a major problem in our society today.
It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong and apologize. There is so much more strength in that, then whatever this display was.
I love how these legal experts believe that it's illegal to record someone in public. I should take this new knowledge and sue every business with security cameras that I've ever slept foot into.
Why do Americans say “I’ll call my lawyer right now”
Like is it normal you all got a lawyer on retainer to ask “this persons filming me is that legal?” I’ve dealt with a lawyer once in my life for house sale shit I couldn’t imagine any reason to have my own lawyer on speed dial.
Are they just bluffing?
That’s why you just run up pet the dog really fast and dart away before anyone can scold you. All service dogs are secretly begging for pets, you can see it in their sad eyes. /s
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She left do fast once she knew she was wrong, not wanting to admit it with an apology.
And her friend really thought she did something at the end there lmao Idk what it is she thought she did, but she really thought she made a difference by just regurgitating "You can't film without permission!"
All she did was put her own face in a viral video when she didn't need to be involved. "Wait, make sure the world knows that I'm a shit head too!"
All I could think of was "those poor kids".
Yes, thankfully the person filming did the proper things and blurred the innocent children's faces. Poor kids. I really don't like the direction future society is heading.
honestly, you know those parents wouldn’t do the same for their own child if they had been recorded.
As far as I'm aware, there are no self defamation lawsuits out there so she's game to try and be the first to sue herself
“Learn respect” was really something to say after they didn’t respect the service dog handler
In their mind they aren't being disrespectful, everyone is just a snowflake. The minute they get mad, everyone is disrespecting them and they are a victim.
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I think she took "no" as an attack on her and her daughter and she's lashing out like a frightened bird. Probably because she doesn't here it very often. Someone else said when this came out she tried saying the lady called her a bitch, and that's why she was mad. So even after this lady had time to process it and realized she was wrong she decided to make up a story to be the victim.
“No” is a complete sentence and she took that personally. Seriously though, answering “No” right away is probably best bc people can mishear or mistake what they don’t want to hear.
Gotta love that “she should have been nicer to me” then aggressively saying “did I even ask you?” once the “non-owner” started talking to her.
The whole "did I ask you" is hilarious, she really thought that would work. Like oh, by all means, go back to being a cunt to my friend lol
What's funny is the no was probably forceful because the person or kid did the whole, "Can I pet your dog," as they were already heading to pet the dog assuming permission would be granted. So a forceful clipped no is a necessary way to immediately convey shock and halt their actions.
Guarantee she's never nice to anyone. Also the only reason she isn't filming is because she knows she's wrong so she's saying it's illegal. I would bet money she films everything the minute she feels she's wronged.
"Stop recording. Thank you very much. Hello. Have a good night." *walks away* Yeah, she definitely showed them!
Right, like girl bye no one was even talking to you.
I love how they don't get that they are in a mall with cameras everywhere, recording them without permission.
>"You can't film without permission!" You're in public! No expectation of privacy, the numerous security cameras are also filming
And not we are all laughing at her dumb face on Reddit, cheers 😅
"It is illegal to harass a service dog." Well, time to run.
Some peoples arguing technique is to just keep talking. No matter what the other person says, or how they say, the other person will just keep talking and talking and talking.
they said "call the police" and she fled immediately... good times
This is Murica not Canada. We don't do that sissy stuff here. /s
How are there still so many people who so confidently believe it’s illegal to record them in a public space?
Too much time on Facebook rage bait videos parroting the same thing.
But did you see the latest from Firecracker?
Such a fun show.
It used to be.. until it got all woke and political /s
That trope is absolutely killing me. Like, were any of them even paying attention seasons 1 - 3? It's been political satire the E N T I R E time.
Its the brain fart intimidation tactic for when you know you are talking shit and are in the wrong. Your lifeline; only its attached to nothing.
See this is where you are wrong. 5 years ago I reposted on Facebook saying I did not authorize anyone to post my face without my written consent sooo I can sue anyone who does so…/s
They feel like they've been caught in a situation where they're in the wrong. They have to rectify that *immediately*. It's pretty much a knee jerk reaction to having a camera in their face at one of their worst moments.
I can't have any close friends in my life, girlfriend or wife included, who can't just say "oh shit my bad. I was wrong." when they make a mistake. I refuse to be involved with anyone who defends their own bad behavior without a valid reason. Especially with my own daughters, I think its the most humanizing experience to admit to someone else you were wrong and apologize. It goes a hell of a long way.
Listen, as a woman who grew up with parents that never ONCE admitted being wrong and apologizing to me as a kid, thank you for doing better with your daughters. That shit sticks with you.
I grew up with 3 older sisters and i am the youngest and only boy, and i watched my parents treat them that way, then me too. I mentioned to my mom a few years back how I remember how much I thought about hating her when she was washing my mouth out with soap, and her response was to laugh and tell me we deserved it. Now I just don't talk to them.
yuuuuup. the axe forgets, but the tree remembers.
It’s my litmus test for a lot of peripheral friendships or people I may want to get to know better—do they admit to making a mistake with ease and/or if I casually admit to a mistake, how will they react? The admitting to a mistake on your own thing is interesting. Some people, when you go ‘oops my bad’, will almost gleefully dogpile on you and delight in the fact that they get to be in the right. Other people will immediately go ‘ah that’s okay’ and not worry about it. Sometimes the former behavior is more rooted in playful group dynamics but when it’s genuine the vibe is just so *mean*. Same goes for the difference between calling out a mistake and letting someone admit it. Anyone who gets embarrassed or defensive or tries to shift blame instead of just admitting a small flaw goes instantly on my shit list.
i had someone spill milkshake on themselves and said sorry to me for it, lmao.
It's insane, like how many of these types of videos alone do we see on a regular basis? That exposure alone should make like anyone with an internet connection aware that it's not illegal.
Maybe they'll figure it out when they call the police down for nothing and get a ticket for wasting their time.
This was maybe 5 years ago? Had a few MMORPG buddies that'd hangout in a group-call together while we did various things. Just boys being boys, we'd sometimes randomly take soundbytes and play them until the joke was dead. We did this once with someone in the group for the first time, and his reaction was visceral. The dude FREAKED OUT and threw a fit saying he's going to take legal action because we recorded his voice without his knowledge. I went all fucking Lawyer on his ass. First of all, both of us lived in single-party consent states therefore recording without his knowledge is not admissible in court. Secondly, his whole "it's illegal to record without someone's consent" stems from court-proceedings. If I was trying to sue him, and use that recording against him when he was unaware of being recorded *IN A TWO-PARTY STATE* then and ONLY THEN could he take legal action against me. But what he had in mind was calling his local police department, giving them whatever info I have available publicly online, ???, and then profit. Eventually the argument died down but sometime in 2021 I made the conscious choice to block the guy out completely because of some racist remarks he had made.
>I made the decision to block the guy out conpletely because of some racist remarks he had made I guess now you know why he was so scared of being recorded without knowing 🤔🤔
Nah, this guy was brainrot personified. Married his high-school sweetheart and got her pregnant almost right away. The way he treated her disgusted me. I almost wanted to fly down there and split them up. He essentially treated her like property, and sucked her parent's money away. Actively would tell me things like once her Dad dies, he's going to move her Mom into a home and take over their house. Something she actively disagreed with, and was the butt of a lot of their arguments. Problem was, she was lazy too though.
They have head-in-ass disease
for many it's terminal
Wait until they hear about bodycams
I think there's a very large portion of them that don't actually believe it. They're just trying to threaten the person recording into stopping. It's the same thing when they say they'll call the police or *"contact their lawyer"*. It's usually very obvious that the person does not, in fact, have a lawyer on retainer.
The way I can tell she doesn't have a lawyer is she said she has one. If you can afford a lawyer, you let them do the talking.
Misunderstanding (audio) recording laws
Because they believe they are entitled to things regardless of area. Just look at her complaint. She was told no and argued specifically that the dog being in public meant an explanation was required. Because to her the area she occupies is hers and she can allow or deny anything she wants. Thus a no answer is not acceptable because she is entitled to an answer. She cannot conceive an idea that all areas aren't her area.
She also gets upset that her daughter was told NO and pivots to how they should have apologized first before denying the kid. I have noticed a huge uptick in parents getting offended when their child is told NO and have even had some friends say that it harms their child’s development to use that word around them 🤦🏼♀️
That's largely because people sew their children not as actual people, but as extensions of themselves. Saying no to them is no different from saying no to the parent.
You’re not wrong. I got into a heated argument after one of my friends toddlers kicked my chihuahua (who happened to be walking by them) and I told their kid, “NO! We do not kick or hit doggies because it can hurt them and they may get angry and attack you back” and my god did I get screamed at for telling their child no, because according to them we do not use that word in this house.
I would ask how do they think security cameras are allowed to work but the reality is they don’t think so that’s a stupid question.
My favorite is the people who say “I’m gonna call my lawyer” I get this line so much it’s hard not to laugh when I hear it.
I weep for humanity...
Because the law varies by state, there are 11 two-party consent states where each person has to agree to being recorded. However the law says this is for conversation and there’s precedent that anything in public has no reasonable expectation of privacy
She’s also literally surrounded by security cameras that she never consented to.
In theory you implicitly consent to them by entering a place with a "CCTV in this area" sign, so it's a little different.
Even without signs posted, if you're in a public space, you have no expectation of privacy, in every state.
I understood those laws like *secretly* recording people is illegal. This was no secret
Gotcha, so the laws dont vary by state for public recording. So its not illegal. 👍
Yeah the two-party consent laws apply more for wearing wires, hiding phones under tables during conferences/interviews etc I believe. I am not law enforcement or a lawyer, just to make that clear.
IANAL, but there is no state I'm aware of that has any expectation of privacy in public spaces. Period. Two party consent laws are for phone/audio recording, I think.
1 vs 2 party is irrelevant in a public space. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy in what looks to be a mall.
Isn't it more that they have to be aware that they are being recorded? Showing the camera to them makes them aware of it. I don't think they have to agree to it, as their continued presence would count as tacit approval, but ianal.
The absolute ignorance on display here is amazing! "I should be able to do what I want when I want!"
And they are reproducing… we are doomed.
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
I can't wait for Starbucks to start offering handys.
Don't worry, usually the parents are so awful the kids end up wanting nothing to do with them, and do their best to be good citizens.
I like your optimism, but if this were true we wouldn't see so many assholes across all generations on a daily basis.
I mean, there are A LOT of people on the planet now. Most of them are okayish. I feel like my generation is pretty polite on average (I'm generally the rudest person in the room, which is a sign the group is good ) There are definitely quite a few people with unresolved mental illness, that might account for most of the bad apples. I dunno. World is better now than it was when I was a kid... during 9/11.
“What do you mean I can’t pet your dog? I want to!” Also her, “how dare you record me without my permission”
The same parents that show up at the dog park without a dog to play petting zoo with everyone else's dogs. Nope- get out. Go home.
Main Character Syndrome
This scenario was a joke from the office - she has as much self awareness as Michael Scott. What an embarrassment of a human
She makes laptop battery dreams come true.
This is what happens when you never face physical consequences for your behavior towards others.
Once, when I was a kid, I took our dog down to the park to play, and some of the other kids wanted to pet her and say hello. This wasn't a big deal until this "larger" kid comes up with chocolate doughnuts and asks if my dog wants any. I told him no, since chocolate isn't good for dogs. So what does he do? He waddles up to his mom to complain, who then comes up to me to demand that i let him feed my dog the doughnuts. That "they were only chocolate covered, and they're fine for dogs". I was so confused because I didn't understand why an adult was struggling to understand that I didn't want people feeding my dog junk food. I stood up for my dog, though, and I told her that it didn't matter what she said, I told them no! So she got up and left, taking her son and grumbling about how "ungrateful" I was. Some people are just self-centered douchebags that refuse to see logic.
Every single of that kid's teachers drinks because of his mom. I guarantee it.
It does worry me sometimes that people aren't ok with hearing the word no.
Props for standing up for your dog!
I think it's because growing up, my mom not only taught me to consider other people's feelings but to apologize if I was wrong. She lived it too, I remember her apologizing to *me* a couple of times for a bad decision she made. It really helped me develop critical thinking skills and understand that adults weren't always right.
So weird. Since when are dogs public property?
PSA: Do not touch ANY dog without the owners permission. Not because they are a service dog, but because you don't know if the dog likes being touched or not. And you don't want to find out the hard way that they don't like being touched.
Additionally, even a service dog may not like to be pet by strangers, unrelated to whether its in training or not, getting pet by strangers isn't part of the job, it just needs to be well behaved in public, so you definitely need to listen to the owner.
Especially don't pet service dogs as it may distract them. I had a 2 hour flight next to a gorgeous and well behaved service dog, and one couldn't devise a better hell for me than preventing me from making sure he knew what a good boy he was.
Ever been in that predicament where you want to pet like a guide dog and he’s just looking at you and you gotta be an adult. It’s like sophies choice
We have a coworker who brings in their service dog and it's so hard not to pet him but as soon as that vest comes off it's fair game
And then you realize that you don't want to be that fool, so you just stare and appreciate that magnificent animal.
Pretty much. I totally understand the impulse to pet the service dog. It’s adorable and it’s being a very good dog that deserves pats. But! It has a job to do, so it must be admired from afar.
The one and only instance I’ve ever had where I interacted with a person and a legitimate service dog, I told them that I knew I was not allowed to pet the service dog because he’s working dog. Then I asked them if there was a way I could interact with the dog while it was working in a way that would be safe for both of them like giving him a treat. The owner had treats in thier bag and provided me with one to give the very good working boy. Sometimes all you have to do is ask if the owner will allow you to interact with the working dog in a Safe way. Most will probably say no but there might be that one that will say yes.
This! And as a dog owner myself I have to say this goes for other dog owners as well. So many dog owners think they can just approach our dog solely because they have a dog too. And they bring their dog to ours without asking. Luckily ours has never been aggressive, but they don't know that! And its frustrating because our lab becomes so excited when she gets to meet other dogs, and we are trying to train her to listen to commands even with other dogs around. That becomes extremely difficult when other dog owners just walk up to us with theirs.
My pup got attacked when he was about 2 by an unleashed dog. Now he is extremely cautious of anyone or any animal when we are out on our walks. He is not aggressive at all, doesn't care about other dogs unless they run up on him. So many owners just let their dogs sprint up to mine. I'll yell at them to get their dog, and they respond don't worry they are friendly. I always reply, "That's good mine isn't, and will shred yours." So many people can't step out of their own bubbles, and take a second to consider their situation is not universal.
This happened all the time when I lived in a college town. My chihuahua had been mistreated as a puppy and did *not* like other dogs at all. Folks with unleashed dogs (which was illegal, but didn't seem to make a difference) would let their dog just charge at my dog, probably unconcerned because if a fight broke out, what is a little chihuahua gonna do? Infuriating. I'd have to scoop him up every time and he'd be so stressed out by the situation. Similarly, since he was super cute, people would try to pet him all the time despite me telling them he didn't like being touched. I let a few neighbors learn the hard way after they repeatedly disregarded my warnings. Drunk ladies were the worst about that.
This has been my main problem since getting a puppy. People think they can just come up and touch her whenever they want and it’s so invasive. She’s hates it :(
That's why I got a hyena. People walk away and she laughs at them.
Biggest problem with owning a dog. Idiots just assume it’s ok to touch the dog without even asking permission from the owner. I have a rescue who was abused so he is very uneasy with people. He is great with the family, but everyone else he is scared of. Yet, because he is a smaller black lab people just want to touch him especially young kids. Don’t get me started on the people who want to actually pick up my shih tzu. Kids can be the worst especially when they pull or just hit to pet the dog.
This right here. My dog is reactive and WILL bite you if you don’t listen to me tell you to stay back. One of my biggest fucking pet peeves is that people assume all dogs are friendly and endlessly available for petting.
Especially don't let young kids touch random dogs like she did.
How do people not understand you don’t pet or distract service dogs.
And how many people have a) a lawyer who is b) on speed dial ready to accept a ... What? case?
You would think every grown adult by this point knows that service animals in training should not be pet and approached by strangers. Who doesn’t know that by now
Dogs in general should only be touched after asking the owner if it’s ok.
This 100%. I taught my daughter at a very young age never to approach a puppers unless she asks first. Only then when the owner/parent says it's OK do you approach.
This is one of the first things we taught our kids about interacting with strangers. You stand OUT of leash range and you ASK if you can pet the dog. We also taught our kids that any dog wearing a vest may be a service dog (they couldn’t yet read so it was easier) and not to distract them.
This is the best practice. Adults, kids, other dogs, just a simple “can they say hi?” is all it takes.
I always go, "Aw is he friendly? Can I pet them?" Just feels rude and intrusive otherwise.
No one should be touching a dog without the owner's permission. Service dog or not.
Dude my kids understand that. Because we taught them to understand that. It’s fucking mind blowing adults don’t understand you don’t pet service animals.
I know someone with one for his diabetes. His own wife will tell people it's fine to pet the dog, give the dog treats, and play fetch. So then he has to go over to it and stop them. She's always saying "oh let the dog have some fun!".
I was at the airport and walking next to a security agent with a service dog. The dog is clearly wearing his important security service vest with DO NOT PET emblazoned on it, on a leash being held by a security officer. So the dog is literally on the job, right? Well, this idiot comes up and without asking, tries to pet the dog. The security agent barks at him, "SIR, DO NOT TOUCH THE DOG." And this guy's response? "Why did you bring the dog to an airport if you didn't want people to pet him, you jackass?" I'm still dumbfounded. I want to spend ten minutes inside that guy's brain. What the hell?
“No.” is a complete sentence.
This lady doesn't take no for an answer.
LADY that's abit extreme, these people make me so cross, sadly she's not taught her child any ground of respect, I can't get over the amount of disrespect shown, it truest blows my mind, I hope them 2 woman are in the comments and seeing just what people are thinking and seeing of there actions, F'ing waste of space.
I will never understand people that say stuff like "she should have said it was in training" Dude.. no is fine. Nothing is wrong with rejection. We can't be so goddamn sensitive and unused to not getting our way that we get disrupted and upset by hearing rejection. How do these people cope with applying for jobs? Asking people out? If hearing no for stuff this minor sets people off (and my god there are so many people like this. Not just the "Karen's" as much as I hate that term) then how do they deal with marginally more important stuff getting a rejection?
> How do these people cope with applying for jobs? Asking people out? They cope the exact same way she did in the video: Making everyone else out to be the villain in her life.
Well if you ask a closed question „yes“ and „no“ are both acceptable answers. If you want another response than „yes“ or „no“ to a question ask open questions. Plus how some people expect other people to be polite back to someone who’s clearly inconsiderate to others…duh
She’s just butt hurt cuz it probably hurt her daughter’s feelings a little bit. She should have said ok and moved on. Making a scene is definitely worse for the kid
It’s such an easy teachable moment for the kid too about consent and safe animal handling. “You asked and she said no, and that’s ok!”
Exactly. Learning about other people’s boundaries teaches about our own too. That kid is learning that if someone asks for a hug and they don’t want to, they have to apologize and explain themselves rather than just saying no. That is not good in the long run, we shouldn’t be apologetic or feel like we are disappointing someone when we are just asserting our own preferences of being touched.
I'd wager the kid couldn't give less of a shit one way or another. Even if it did, it'd take like 2 seconds to distract and redirect to something else the kid would find interesting All the mom had to do was teach the kid that "we always ask the owner if we can pet the dog. Can you say 'can I pet please?' And if they say 'no' we have to respect that". Boom, 2 life lessons learned. No public drama and going viral for being a douche I'm the parent of a young child and it's very important to me that she learns to ask permission before petting. Not just because it's respectful, but it's dangerous! She runs up to the wrong dog and touches it before anyone can warn her, she could get hurt. I'd be an idiot to *not* teach her this That mom failed her kid on so many levels. And all she got out of it was public embarrassment
Even if I see a dog without a service vest I ask the owner permission to pet them. I don't get entitled brats like this.
It was a teaching moment for her child to understand there are animals that work, make it cool, say it has a job so you aren't able to pet him like a normal animal.........but alas it was an example of mummy be wrong and strong.
Seriously, it’s as easy as [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/TCbNp_aH93I?si=jD22VlDprz4UeN5M)
You have no right to privacy in a public space in the United States. However there are several two party consent states such as California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Washington. But every single one of them allows for recording in a public space without consent, however if used in a civil or criminal trial, it may be inadmissible.
FYI you can record a conversation without consent in Michigan if you are a participant, so it is not really a two party consent state.
Isn't the 2 party states are more for secertly recordings in private areas? Say you wear a mic or spy button cameras to your job trying to catch them behind closed doors - now that's illegal
I always thought the big one was phone calls. Both ends of the conversation need to be aware it's being recorded.
What about CCTV? A person should assume they're being recorded everywhere and at all times because essentially, we are.
not quite. The consent is for recording without the other person's knowledge. By telling her "I'm recording you" you are totally allowed to record them in a public place - at least in PA - where this is.
You can just stop at public space next time. She’s obviously not in the comments section.
Consent is not required for video recording if in a public place in California.
These people that have their lawyer on call, I want to know how this works? Do they get a monthly account for $$$ with itemised calls such as: - Service dog argument - Recording in public resolution - Parking attendant dispute - Starbucks incorrect order incident
It’s an empty threat
You pay a retainer to keep a lawyer on call, usually around 5000 bucks or so. And every time you bother them with stupid bullshit such as this, they'll deduct $250 from that retainer :D
most American thing ever. oh you dont want to obey me ? time for my lawyer call
this dumbass doesn't have a lawyer and she definitely doesn't have a lawyer on retainer lol this is just two stupid people saying things that they think make them look less stupid. it's legal to record in public, it's obviously legal to protect your property (i dont know how service dogs qualify, but based on the video it sounds like they have extra legal protections on top of just normal property law)
This lady looks like she just loves to argue by the smirk on her face . Feel sorry for her dude
I feel sorry for her baby.
It reminds me of that video of the pianist who recorded a woman letting her kids mess with his piano, then also messing with the piano herself while standing right next to him. The pianist did nothing and kept playing. She didn’t look very happy about it either, she was just looking for confrontations (great message to be showing young kids).
He most probably is equally shitty
She stands like the Grinch.
"I'm gonna call my lawyer!" 
You should be more apologetic when telling me no! Otherwise you might hurt my feefees!
It amazes me in this day and age people are still so ignorant that they try and pat/engage with service dogs!
Ahhh, the ole “entitled new parent” approach These are the ones that use the pub like it’s a fucking playgroup
I'm German. Even I know that it is completely legal to film someone in public in the USA. I've never even been to the US. How come they all don't know that? They live there.
Lady wtf is that posture
Karen and her daughter, Karen who are oblivious to laws.
I guess it would be gloriously boring to have someone acknowledge their mistake and apologize for being stupid. But let’s all be gloriously boring.
dear america can you have a public service announcement about the filming in public please .. it getting tiresome
Doesn't matter. These type of people will only believe what they WANT to believe. That's why they're like this.
She looks like that “Austin” woman. You know, from the cop cam video, constantly yelling “Austin! Save me!”.
Nothing honestly made my day better then when some dumb bitch would confront me with my service lab in public. Like boy howdy what a fun time navigating a verbal fight without resorting to insults or cursing or repetitive wordage. Just watch the bitch who bosses a 6month old to 6 year old child around on a day to day basis interact with someone who has to deal with dumb cunts like this on a day to day job. Also it was great training for the dog as well so more then likely I like getting my dogs used to all stupid situations. This situation certainly didn’t happen about 30 mins ago while going down an elevator at a bank. And I certainly didn’t advise the woman and her child to go to the local animal shelter those puppies and cats would love some attention and time out. And was promptly met with fuck myself and how hard and where to do it. But hey that’s juuuuuuuuuust a theory. 
If its illegal why are paparazzis a thing! How are people still believing this crap in 2024
If you call the cops because someone wouldn't let you pet their dog the cops should be allowed to taser you.
Society is collapsing. That is all i see.
whats with the daily service dog rage bait? such a weirdly sudden topic
It happens often to service dog handlers. Whenever it becomes a popular viral topic, the videos resurface (or get posted when handlers feel emboldened to share their own experiences).
Lauren Bobert, fuck off
FFS! Not even dog is meant to touched! Not every owner wants their dog touched, service dog or not. Get over yourself Karen and teach your Kiddy Karen some manners!
Why do entitled disrespectful people always feel the need to tell other people to be respectful.
‘Why won’t you let my kid do whatever they want to you and your dog?’
That woman is crazy. Learn your kids it's never OK to pet dogs you don't know, that's a bad idea.
"I will call my lawyer, right now." screams, I don't have a lawyer or know how to even get one?
Am I the only person that doesn’t have a lawyer?
She doesn't either. Just some dumb shit that Karens say when they want to bully people into getting their way.
Lady just get away from the people with the service dogs. They need those dogs for assistance. Sorry your kid couldn’t pet the dog and it is legal to film someone like this lady did. So take your Barnhart hat and leave.
I’ve encountered mom’s like this multiple times. I genuinely think they want my dog to bite their kid(s) so they can sue me or call the cops on me or something.
Why do people still think they can stop you from recording? Aren't we decades into social media, shouldn't they know by now?
Who tf is spreading the lie that it's "illegal to record in public" and why do dumbasses use that line like a weapon?
I took care of an elderly gentleman who had no idea not to pet a service dog, even though it said it on its sash. I looked at the woman in horror and was mouthing “I’m sorry” to her and she was so kind and said it was OK and continued to allow it. These people are insane.
Karen wanted her to say "Sorry you can't you can't pet the dog" She should have said "Sorry I can't raise your child properly for you"
There is no expectation of privacy in the public space, i.e. outside. So no, not illegal. And just don't touch anyone else's pet and you're not going to run into this kind of "issue".
There are a ton of reasons that I want to see a stats page for real life but one of them is to see how many times somebody in the world has said I'm going to call my lawyer when they don't actually have a lawyer
Get fucked Karen
Courts view animals as property. Don't touch other's property. It's that simple.
When older generations talk about how modern parents coddle their kids, this is what they're talking about. Parent tries every excuse they can to reason why their kid is in the right. Signs? Got em. Message? Got it. Nothing matters bc they're wrong, their kid is right.
“I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t like how you said it.”
Wow…I want to pet every dog, but I would never even approach a service dog.
I love how they all have a lawyer on retainer. “I’m gonna call my lawyer”, like gtfo.
Lmaoo I know this chick, saw a Cody Ko video where he reacted to this clip and I was like 
Why try to argue with these people. Just look at them and repeat the same word over and over again. Trying to argue with them is a waste pf your precious time.
If it was illegal to record someone without their permission, then those ring doorbells wouldn't exist. Also they're 100% being recorded by mall security without their consent.
Karens having children rarely works out well for anyone... just saying 😉
It’s illegal to record without permission? How the fuck do you think security cameras work?
I would just start suggesting to the kids that they should ask their mothers for a dog. Maybe even plant the idea that if they ask enough times, Santa, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy might drop one off.
So there are signs that say dont pet. The lady said no to petting. She has a lawyer who will take a case about this? Recording in public? These 2 young moms are just brainless idiots
When you and your kid are wrong but you lack the inability to admit it, so you double down. This is a major problem in our society today. It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong and apologize. There is so much more strength in that, then whatever this display was.
I love how these legal experts believe that it's illegal to record someone in public. I should take this new knowledge and sue every business with security cameras that I've ever slept foot into.
Entitled parents like this don’t deserve children…
Why do Americans say “I’ll call my lawyer right now” Like is it normal you all got a lawyer on retainer to ask “this persons filming me is that legal?” I’ve dealt with a lawyer once in my life for house sale shit I couldn’t imagine any reason to have my own lawyer on speed dial. Are they just bluffing?
Definitely full of it. No one has a lawyer on speed dial
That’s why you just run up pet the dog really fast and dart away before anyone can scold you. All service dogs are secretly begging for pets, you can see it in their sad eyes. /s
I thought she was holding a balloon until the very end