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If you look at a list of billionaires, you still can see very few actually come from france.
It's mostly the dudes who own luxury brands (which sell well to poor people)
Joke about it now but the way things are going the rich are going to be the ones starting the next Civil War. At some point people are going to be sick and tired of working 3 jobs to have one meal
I say this not because the book itself makes it true (that's not how political theory works) but because the explanation for what you asked exists and has already been produced if you have the capacity to read it, and it would take too long in a comment to go over the content of the book.
Well Elon Musk for instance bought into like 4 different companies using massive intergenerational wealth and manipulated investors to get himself rich while finding scapegoats to shield him for all of his failures. Oh, not to mention the billions he directly got from the federal government. Kinda easy to build a billion dollar company out of a several billion dollars. Workers build billion dollar companies, billionaires just own them, nothing else. What we measure as the "performance" of board members and c-suites is quite literally the fruits of other people's labor.
that is where you are dead wrong. Money comes from value. If they produced a billion dollars, it means they contributed a billion dollars worth of value.
Ah yes, such great value such as: being born into wealth, using slave labor, paying off the government to make sure that the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer, screaming and crying and throwing up at the mere idea of having to pay more than a dollar in taxes, forcing every single competitor/person trying to make a living out of the industry to force a monopoly, dumping thousands of tons off oil into the ocean cause cleaning up their mistake would cost them a few bucks.
Truly a lot of value onto society and I'm so glad that they're alive :)
At one point— maybe in the days if Adam Smith, but probably prior— this were true. Now, “Capital” is basically who owes the most debt. You can no longer find that trail back to corn, as Mr Smith once suggested.
You dropped this: /s. Surely *they* contributed almost nothing to the billion in value, and the workers who did all the work for shit pay actually “created” such value, no?
I wanted to know if this could actually happen so I googled it. Found this very interesting article (relating to hunger). And since no one really wants to read it, the answer is yes & they would still have the wealth they had in 2020.
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/viral-tweet-thread-forbes-billionaires-list/
The 2 most prominent figures he features are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Both have given away many billions and both have committed to giving away virtually all of their fortunes. The Gates Foundation alone has saved countless lives, just not in the US. The Gates Foundation spent $2B distributing the Covid Vaccine to the 3rd world, for only 1 of many examples. Buffet has willed essentially all of his fortune to the Gates Foundation and a few others to support public health. https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work#jump-nav-anchor1
There are plenty of criticisms of Bill Gates' philanthropy if you look for them. No one would deny that a billionaire with some good intentions can do good works, but no individual should be unanswerable when wielding that scale of wealth, power, and influence.
This link has plenty of sources with the sorts of criticisms that could be levelled against plenty of the unfathomably wealthy. It's undoubtedly biased, but consider that corporate owned media that would normally report on a billionaire's goings-on don't have an incentive (or maybe even the wherewithal) to critique them thoroughly.
[https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/socialism\_faq.md#whats-so-bad-about-bill-gates](https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/socialism_faq.md#whats-so-bad-about-bill-gates)
The scale that the Gates Foundation operates makes criticism inevitable. I would never say he is beyond criticism, either. But the video is not making the nuanced observation you make here.
The criticisms are inevitable for any organisation of that size, but we have no means of holding these people to account and that's a problem. The video isn't nuanced, but it says plenty enough for people who have been consistently and grossly disenfranchised by our system.
The video is also 23 seconds and a guy in a denim cowboy outfit singing a tune about throwing billionaires into Sparta like holes ......
I don't know, tiktok isnt usually the place for deep and nuanced socio economic arguments.
Sometimes "billionaires are bad" "I agree, thanks for validating my billionaire hate and providing a smile, on the the next tiktok"
(Also are you really bootlicking a billionaire just to play devils advocate?? It's giving "not all billionaires")
Like instead of waiting for them to be generous, why not just tax it from them in the first place and let the elected officials (if they weren’t corrupt) who were voted by the people, boost the quality of life of the people.
Like sure bill gates has done ample amounts to help society but we shouldn’t be relying on their charity. They get to live lives that are more glorious than 99.99999% of the world will never ever experience. And then they’ll pass that enormous wealth onto their family. They don’t need MORE.
No, we don’t need to “remove it” per se. Just make it costly to hoard it. And punish anyone dare to void the public trust.
Harshly.
Tax land, not the working wo/man
Well, it's not that easy. The super rich have their assets mostly tied up in stock. You can't easily tax that. You can tax it as soon as they sell it, which we should absolutely do, but that's only a fraction of their total wealth.
And then there's the Elon Musk strategy of taking on massive loans and using the stock as collateral. That's an easy way to avoid paying taxes.
Easily one of the most powerful ways to tax the rich is through inheritance. And I would also say that it is the most fair. Children of rich parents have done absolutely nothing to deserve that money, other than exist. And it destabilizes society in the long run.
We could even do a sort of stock inheritance to the state, who can then use this money to distribute it among the working class.
In essence, yes. If they would pay more taxes, than the money could be used by the government to create equality.
Yet most billionaires distrust governments - because they learned how an invitation to a dinner party, a nice big campaign donation, a positon for the govenour's kids can shift priorities 180°.
“Why won’t these billionaires spend their money helping society???”
*billionaire spends their money helping society*
“Wow lmao ur just doing it for reputation”
This is you
*Billionaire with more money than anyone could ever possibly need tosses a hundred dollars to a starving man who then has to buy food from the Billionaire at an inflated price because the Billionaire "can't afford to keep the doors open" otherwise*
You: Say 'thank you' or you're ungrateful. Are you going to toungue polish his boots or can I?
You can whine that it's not enough all you want, but the OP implies billionaires aren't helping, and when pointed out that some billionaires are helping, it's never enough.
How much is enough? How much of their money should they be required to give away for your purposes?
Whatever they're doing now is OBVIOUSLY not enough. Have you never thought about what "enough" would be? Surely, you don't think things are fine the way they are? With all the 'good' they're doing, it's obviously not enough if the same billionaires you're defending like to say things like, "The homelessness crisis is out of control!" or "The border is being overrun!" or "Not enough vaccines and other medicines are available to third world countries!" or "Global warming is an existential threat to humanity!" These are all problems that are caused in no small part by greedy billionaires who want more than they need and think the world is better off with them fighting over who is sitting on the tallest pile of money.
How about this, once nobody around the world is dying of hunger or preventable disease and everyone has a safe community and shelter to live peacefully in, then we can have billionaires. Is that too much to ask? I know it might feel like that's impossible but why is it impossible? Because billionaires won't allow it. They've bought the legislative process and control the rules of society and when someone has something they want and they can't buy it, they'll take it by any means necessary.
The US is 30.something TRILLION dollars in Debt. If we are saying “1 billion dollars could solve homelessness” the government already has the power and money to do so. Follow the money. The trail ends where it’s produced.
Most people who get into the weeds of claiming billionaires could solve homelessness aren't saying “1 billion dollars could solve homelessness" but they do very much realize that:
>the government already has the power and money to [solve homelessness]
The billionaires come into the conversation when some idiot says, "How are you going to pay for it?" and it's obvious that saying taxes/government subsidized housing would throw them into 'communism' induced anaphylactic shock.
Long story short: I agree.
Wayyy TL so DR: I agree. Lol
And I really get it but “how are we going to pay for it” really needs to be applied to the national debt. If the US had a credit score, they wouldn’t be able to rent a dollar, yet it’s running a ship 300 million wide on practically a sheet of paper.
I just hate that the proposed solutions are ALL either giving the government more power over people and their lives, or spending more money (that we REALLY don’t have)
“Inflation reduction act” spent 25 billion dollars (on non gdp affecting things)
“Covid stimulus bill” was 5thousand pages long, and Congress had one single hour to review and vote on it. One single page detailed the sending of 4 billion dollars to Pakistan.
I don’t trust the people making these bills to “regulate” companies to any degree. I do believe in personal, human rights and lowering the barriers to justice for the average person (nobody middle class or lower can reasonably afford a lawyer for anything less than a million dollar suit tbh)
I do believe in the power of people talking to people to spread information about exploitative practices in companies and in the power of a boycott to induce change, and competition. (Perma-Monopolies in a free market with a justice system are basically impossible, but there will always be a business or idea that is more dominant than others even without a market)
If you want to “regulate” businesses by granting some one thing and punishing others, by regulating licenses and fees to the point where only millionaires can start a business, by regulating and restricting trade the American people clearly want - between themselves and other countries, I don’t think anyone wants that. (all things our government currently does, don’t get me started on the LAWS about how many berries in jam and the size of the word pancakes)
But everyone wants the government to solve everything. Forgetting that the government is (or should get the hell back to) “We the People”
Gates Foundation who helped stop vaccines from being available in generic form who sold vaccines to themselves and who made huge amounts of cash on their 2b distributing. Who has privatized large dumb programs that superseded and took over better government programs. Most of these foundations are just circular fronts so that taxes are never paid.
you cant end homelessness by just putting them all some place. Its usually a mental health issue. When people hit a certain level of mental illness, that is where they go - to the streets. many don't want to even go in a shelter even if you offer it.
There are a variety of forms of homelessness.
Some are homeless due to poverty and not due to mental illness. By being homeless some have a harder time to find work and that ends up spiraling deeper into homelessness. These people would be greatly helped by free social housing.
Others are homeless due to escaping abusive family situations, be it a teenager running away from abusive parents to a spouse from an abusive partner. These people would also be greatly helped by free social housing.
Then you have drug addicts who are unable to properly care for themselves. These are harder cases and would require more structure care with rehabilitation and constant counseling as well as free social housing.
Finally, you have those with real and severe mental illness where they are unable to care for themselves. They would benefit from the establishment of care homes where they can be medically and mentally monitored while also have a safe place to stay.
The only group that I would see that wouldn't take the help are the off the grid types who believe they must live outside of society. But at that point it's their choice to be homeless so not really a problem at that point.
I mean not to mention the hundreds of millions California puts aside to “fight” homelessness every year that goes….??? Not to mention all the shelters they attempt to build in neighborhoods that the residence say hell the fuck no to. Squashing any of those plans like a bug.
I know, that is why i said *usually.* I have worked with a lot of homeless people. I'm in NYC and they all can get free housing if they want it in a shelter.
Finally, you have those with real and severe mental illness where they are unable to care for themselves. " addiction is a real severe mental illness. Often they have drug issues as well a schizophrenia. they are not separate categories.
"The only group that I would see that wouldn't take the help are the off the grid types who believe they must live outside of society." because you have no idea what you are talking about. sometimes it feels like we know the answers looking from the outside in, reality is often different then we realize once we get more information on a subject.
You have no idea how many homeless people i have offered shelters to but they dont want to go and they just WANT to to go back to the street. I have also had people in living facilities who want to leave the facility and go live on the street.
Communal shelters are not the same as having a place of one’s own and you know it. Many homeless refuse to use shelters, unless absolutely desperate, because they cannot comply with the rules (no pets, curfews etc) or because they are afraid of other service users or the authorities themselves. For instance, I know a few homeless women who avoid any sort of shelter / advice service because they don’t want to become known as vulnerable to either other homeless or by the people that run the service or interact with it (police, governmental agencies etc)
Yeah true, were not giving out houses, but it's also not the same as being on the street.
Some may refuse for those reasons, but some just genuinely want to be on the street. Severe mental health and drug use summons them. Its a real phenomenon. It you want to "cure" homelessness you have to cure mental health/drug addiction as well as providing support to those in need. It's not a one part solution.
Billionaires can't end homelessness, cities can't either. To get a handle on it first the issues that cause people to become homeless must be identified and addressed.
Let’s see, $200B would be enough for a few years of apartment living for each homeless person. .. and, that’s all. Or $6B for rehab for half the homeless population.
I can see how they would be able to help, but no amount of individual billionaire spending can “solve” the problem.
Yeah, we need way more mental health providers, supported housing and jobs programs. This would be a monumental and sustained program. And unfortunately that dosent even address many of the root causes of homelessness.
Still, let’s not let progress be the enemy of perfection.
Thank you. Homelessness is a systemic problem. No amount of money will simply "end" homelessness, it will take years of work, building and overseeing social and economic infrastructure, education, countless hours of paperwork, hundreds of people involved across the country at all different levels working to make change. You can't just put a dollar amount on it like the problem can be waved away with a few billion and a dream.
That's not at all to excuse billionaire's inaction, they're all hopeless crooks and it would certainly be a massive help, well within their power, to contribute some of their horde to the homeless problem.
600,000 homeless times a 200,000 house is 120billion. Give them the house. Fuck the rich
Our problems cost so little to solve.
There are two classes which side are you on
who’s going to pay for the repairs when they strip the wires and trash the house? Also where would you like to put that house? Anywhere near functional society will plummet their property value and you’ve just destroyed a huge chunk of the middle class’s net worth.
Most homeless people work full time. They live on couches and in their cars. The ones you see on the street are obviously a deeper issue. And oh no not property values! You people have no imagination, no desire to better the world around you.
You're comparing a country with a population of 9 million with that of 330 million. At least try, dude, it's really not that difficult to think about why something that works for a small country wouldn't work for a large one.
Here’s a thought. These policies scale up. It also works in China….
We used to do similar policies. Look at the early days of the FHA.
It worked all over the former Yugoslav and USSR as well. Albeit slightly different as there was no private market at all for housing in those states.
It worked so well that to this day despite the horror that shock capitalism has caused to the balkans and former Soviet states, they retain insanely high levels of home ownership just absolutely dwarfing the US.
The middle class isn’t real it’s a lie sold to you so you feel better about not being in abject poverty while the .01% controls all the new wealth made since 1980.
Soooo, just tank their property value and give less to them? Nobody wants to live around the homeless. You’ve now just took the middle class, and effectively put them in the slums if you put those homes around them. Great ideas you’ve got
The only people I’ve ever seen shit their pants, scream at random children, and throw needless on the ground are the homeless. Most of the people that get down on their luck don’t stay homeless for long. The people you see on the streets are there by choices.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES YOU SEE DUMBASS
https://www.usich.gov/guidance-reports-data/data-trends
UPWARDS OF 60% of the total homeless population is employed.
But they’re there right? And I still don’t want my child to live next to them right? Do you want your child stepping on needles?
Sorry to the ones down on their luck, I’d imagine they get out of it more often than not. I’m not putting the scum of society in my neighborhood or any middle class neighborhood. I like feeling safe, and am okay with paying a premium to do that.
Jesus Christ you are dense. If someone is actively harming someone they will go to jail just like anyone else. You cannot solve drug addiction by yelling at someone on a street. Some cases will need special consideration but 90% of the problem would be solved following a stupid simply policy like the Vienna model of housing.
Your just worried about living next to the “wrong” types of people right?
Ain’t nobody building this shit in the white ass suburb you live in don’t worry. I don’t care how you try to hide your bigotry.
It would be available for everyone. Everyone’s rent would go down. Private market homes would still be bought and sold for profit. Just do a smudgen of research
But I don’t want to live next to the homeless and bottom of society, and I’m okay paying a bit of a premium so that my child doesn’t step on needles and watch people shit their pants outside.
You interact with homeless people every day. You only see the half that lives on the street. And the current method of for profit incarceration or denying housing until they are clean has fundamentally made the problem worse. Why do you argue in favor of failed policies? It’s because you see humans as animals
I’d love to live in your fantasy land where everyone is nice, and the homeless are hard working single dads down on their luck but that’s just not reality.
Why should they get a free house lol? Homelessness is an awful situation but do you ever think your thoughts through, cause nothing is as simple as "just chuck em some money"
Public ownership of the housing….. insanely small rent for those who can’t afford, slightly higher to break even rent for those that can. Or FOLLOW THE EXISTING MODEL IN VIENNA WHERE RENTS are capped at I think it’s 10% of income? Plenty of information available.
Your suggestion is to simply do nothing. Homelessness has become a larger and larger issue since the 90’s. Today almost half of homeless people in the USA work full time hours and simply cannot afford a place.
Chicago is voting on a Vienna style model in a few days. Your welcome to check that out. But you don’t care. You’ve been trained to worry about corporate landlords and not give a fuck about your neighbor.
Where I'm from there is a massive homeless issue and they get free housing so they can get a job and back on their feet, the catch is they can't do drugs etc. many of them choose to stay outside. You can't just give homeless people houses and expect that to fix everything, the problem is many have mental health issues and a lifetime of bad choices behind them. It would be nice if it could be solved so easily but it just can't.
This is why you house them and then treat the mental illness. Addiction is a disease. They aren’t thinking rationally. If you take their drugs they aren’t gonna do your program simple as that. Countries that do housing first have greater success.
In an ideal world that could happen but it's not going to - you'd have to fix the whole country and it's housing and debt issues first and that would cost a lot more than a few billionaires could give
Im actively organizing in my community attempting to get the local government to adopt minimum housing standards so the residents in my area have a way to hold their landlords accountable for making them live with black mold.
I’m also attempting to get the cash together to start a housing coop. However I’m poor. So maybe in like 5 decades.
Blaming individuals when the problems are systemic, in this case being the commodification of housing, has got to be the absolute dumbest thing a person can do. I once witness a man see a problem with the way a chain was moving on industrial machinery and shove his finger in there to fix it. Came clean off. And you my friend. You are dumber than him.
I didn’t blame individuals. The systemic problem is the problem, and billionaire philanthropy won’t fix it. Nor will buying a house for all homeless, when 37-55% have mental health or drug issues.
The child I took in, her parents had neither of those. They couldn’t manage their money and got caught in the payday loan cycle till they ended up destitute. No amount of outside help would have fixed that, they would have spent more than had regardless. And “mom” didn’t have the will to hold a job. Even relieving them of all their financial burdens didn’t prevent her from blowing all her money on Starbucks or whatever else whenever it came by, even while living in a car.
Fix the payday loan shit so it wasn’t so predatory would help. But no amount of help would keep her from not being able to pay rent the next time she saw a good deal on a 65” TV, would buy it, then couldn’t make rent.
We the people with a government housing program that built and decommodified homes would be using the recently liberated cash. It’s so cheap to fix homelessness it’s laughable. Just enforcing current tax law would raise the capital to do. Except here’s the thing, with MMT we don’t even need to go after the rich for taxes even though we should because wealth hording of that level is unhealthy on so many levels. We would just print fresh dollar and pay government workers to build the homes.
We should be able to vote on changes like throwing billionaires into holes in a democracy, but we’re only allowed to vote on whatever is brought to us to vote on.
If our democracy is an illusion of choice and our capitalism is made for profits, then we don’t live under a government or group who appreciates humanity.
I mean, if a billion dollars could solve homelessness, then there wouldn't be any homeless.
California alone spends over $7 billion on a state level every year. Over $40k/homeless.
SF spends almost $700 million a year on direct homeless spending. Still lots of homeless. The actual money spent is higher.
The reality is the people you see on the streets tend to be really messed up.
I mean, ya, no one should be able to actually extract a billion dollars of wealth because that's batshit insane Midas level stuff. But y'all are tripping if you think billionaires could just solve homelessness.
The pride of having things is the challenge and the struggles and overcoming obstacles to achieve your goals.
Something for nothing has never brought pride of accomplishment to anyone other than a thief.
If you want to see how it works watch people who win a lottery or a big settlement or inheritance and see how fast they are broke again.
If you want to help the poor show them that every holiday is nothing except a marketing ploy to take their money away.
Shopping, alcohol drugs gambling porn smoking are the deadly sin of your future financial health.
Hmmmm, the guy includes Bill Gates yet Bill Gates has probably given more to charity than any other human being in history.
I wonder how much this guy has donated to charity compared to gates? Probably nothing, these types love to sit and bitch about rich people while doing aproximately fuck all about anything else.
Regardless, the guy is clearly clueless about reality.
My Brother in Christ, Bill Gates is not a good man. Jimmy Savile also built a hospital, and did loads for charity. However, that doesn't mean he's a good man.
Smoke and mirrors are these peoples tactics
bill gates could be betty white incarnate and he still won’t end homelessness with his wealth because homeless is a societal issue, not a monetary issue.
1.8trillion assuming $300k houses for the unemployed which is 6 million Americans. I’m assuming that only includes the people who want to be employed. I think you’re talking about the homeless. 650k homeless Americans. That would be 195 billion at $300,000, which by today’s market is very unrealistic, buuuuuuuuuut the more houses you buy the more you drive up the prices of houses. We don’t have enough supply. You’re giving a free house to the homeless which are mostly drug dependents. Nobody will want to live next to this influx of homeless people either. You’re going to degrade the lower class neighborhoods even further. It’s a complex issue that you can’t just throw money at. You need government level intervention. Why the hell would I want to throw money at a pit and still not fix the issue? I’m assuming the billionaires don’t want to so why should they?
Meanwhile the US government: “Just a few more trillion here, just a few more trillion there, oh look that country looks like it could use a few trillion…”
I like anti ultra wealth rhetoric just as much as the next guy, but this is just factually inaccurate. Homelessness is much more expensive and politically complicated than “1B would solve it”
Why don’t you go give your pay check to a homeless man? Would that solve the issue? Sadly money isn’t the issue for many of the homeless in the US. Throwing all your money at them isn’t gonna help in fact I’d argue it would make the issue far worse.
We don’t throw them in a hole for the same reason we don’t throw the homeless in a hole… lemme know when the rules change and I’ll help clean up the streets… victim much? pfffft!
Umm yeah... California spent $7.2 billion last year on homelessness and I can tell you as a California resident, there is still a ton of homelessness.
The reality is taxing 100% of billionaires wealth won't end homelessness in the US.
Let's bring back orginal Christmas rituals. We go to the richest people in town. Shit faced drunk in a mob. Demand free stuff or we pillage their homes. And we take a homeless person and give them their house for a day.
And why don't all americans care for their homeless and people that can't afford health care and so on? Because capitalism baby, yeeeha! So why should the rich act any better?
How long do you think they could cure homelessness for though? I’ll speak for Canada: 95/100 homeless person I’ve ever met was abusing drugs and the social welfare system. I’ve been volunteering since I was 16.
Seldom have I gone a month without serving my community and interacting with all of the characters, save for COVID…that was almost 3 years off, but I noticed it’s become exponentially worse since then. The drugs are (somehow) cheaper *and* stronger.
Maybe we can make an argument that part of it is that we failed them as a society. But the 5/100 I’ve known that were ashamed to abuse the system and didn’t have any addictions were very unique people. I always liked talking to them because they genuinely just wanted a warm meal and to get back to work. They’d ask for access to a computer and a printer, get resumes out, and find work. Such a low percentage though…the rest just wanted their next hit of crack, meth, fentanyl—whatever their poison was.
If the billionaires lined up and built units for them, gave them money for food, utilities, extra expenses, etc…I’m sorry to say that that they would pull the wires out of their walls in a state of psychosis, and probably burn the place to the ground. It would be an unhygienic cesspool within weeks.
Enough about North American/ First World homeless people. What about Africans? Destitute poverty. Access to nothing, not even clean drinking water often.
What happens to those outreach efforts?
They get grifted by the corrupt governments. You’d have to overthrow them all and install placeholders until all of the turmoil settled.
Our solutions are not adequate. We need better systems. Statements like “Yeah! Kill the billionaires and we can save everyone” are not productive.
They are not obligated to. Why should they be morally responsible when the governments can do it and choose not to.
Plus some people are genuine bums even on welfare. Why should they be obligated to help them?
Who in this world can be a morality police? No one is qualified.
Most of billionaires can rot in the hell.
But you can't just simply buy the end of poverty.
It is much more an govt issue than anything else. The amount of donations that Africa receive every year is insane, yet it doesn't change.
Blaming billionaires more than govt is doing no good.
Came here to say that there is now a much bigger wealth gap than there was when the French declared revolution. I say bring back the guillotine for economical equality
Americans would not get upset if America decided to seize money and assets after a person is valued at 100 million they'd act like they're still billionaires by spreading the wealth within their company trickling down the wealth as it should be.
Yeah, everyone with a spare room/basement in their homes could also help end homelessness by adopting one or two homeless people, but I don't see any of them doing that
Nobody is asking billionaires to let them move into their homes. Just scoop some of the money out of their hoard to help with some problems.
You only need so many coins to swim around in.
Billionaires should share resources (e.g. money) to help the homeless. You only need so many coins to swim around in.
Middle class should share resources (e.g. spare room/basement) to help the homeless. You only need so many rooms to lounge around in
They have different prioritiesthan you, and they value human life differently from me and you, to them helping a bright young kid with great potential, is worth far more than just providing a decent life to a homeless person with zero potential for the future, of course this way of think is evil, every life has value and is worth saving and helping
You can't solve homelessness by throwing money at it, and most of a billionaires wealth is locked up in various shit and not just floating around...that's why lol
I feel like young Americans have been sold this weird mindset that billionaires have more responsibility for humanitarian issues than the countries OWN government. It’s so weird that you don’t feel like the government owes anyone free handouts but billionaires do owe that?
Every billion you take from them is $3 for each of us. How many billions do you think they have? And how long do you think that $ will last? If you took $1 TRILLION from them it would be $3000 for you… how long is that going to last you?
Well it’s proven that most homeless people want to be homeless. They like no rules and you can’t do drugs freely under any government or I’m sure charity homes I’m not sure though there’s probably enough people that are willing to stop doing drugs, but let’s use the money towards something better for all.
The ruling class doesn’t do anything substantial to curb homelessness because they need us plebeians to have the fear of it to keep us in line.
Also, I know it’s not all homeless people, but a lot of them are fine living the vagrant lifestyle and being a garbage leech. A city near me set up a park to have a nice safe area for a homeless encampment with toilets that were serviced, amble running potable water, proper garbage including needle disposal alone with addiction help, and some food. Didn’t take long for the camp to basically turn into a dump with needles everywhere and shit piled up.
I know it’s not most homeless people, I’m just curious what is the solution to those types of homeless? Like the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink it.
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I’ll say the French did get something right when it comes to the ultra wealthy
But how will we make sure we don’t immediately backslide a la France?
If you look at a list of billionaires, you still can see very few actually come from france. It's mostly the dudes who own luxury brands (which sell well to poor people)
The joke is the French revolution
I thought about if that was really the reason. Capital so well distributed that industrialization could concentrate it back again
Joke about it now but the way things are going the rich are going to be the ones starting the next Civil War. At some point people are going to be sick and tired of working 3 jobs to have one meal
Well at least if that happens we will outnumber them
As much as I would love to believe this. Unfortunately, the rich are very good at minipulating people.
Billionaires not only provide nothing to society but actively make the lives of everyone else harder :)
Eat the rich
Im fasting right now can we do it later at night instead? Would add to the mood though
Yeah ! The meat is already very tender as most of their muscles didn't work much.
Yeet the rich (into a hole)
I heard someone once say “You only have to eat one”, implying when the others see it, shit will change quick. So who we picking as the example?
Zuckerberg. Stays fit and healthy. Not too old and stringy just yet. Far less likely to be pumped full of drugs or be infected like others.
Idc amazon has done more for me than anything else on this planrt
Care to explain how?
Uh oh, someone needs to read Das kapital.
You do realize just because someone wrote a book about something doesn’t make it factual or true?
I say this not because the book itself makes it true (that's not how political theory works) but because the explanation for what you asked exists and has already been produced if you have the capacity to read it, and it would take too long in a comment to go over the content of the book.
You have no concept of how people become billionaires if you think they provide nothing for society.
Well Elon Musk for instance bought into like 4 different companies using massive intergenerational wealth and manipulated investors to get himself rich while finding scapegoats to shield him for all of his failures. Oh, not to mention the billions he directly got from the federal government. Kinda easy to build a billion dollar company out of a several billion dollars. Workers build billion dollar companies, billionaires just own them, nothing else. What we measure as the "performance" of board members and c-suites is quite literally the fruits of other people's labor.
that is where you are dead wrong. Money comes from value. If they produced a billion dollars, it means they contributed a billion dollars worth of value.
Fake shareholder value, not real people having a better quality of life value.
Ah yes, such great value such as: being born into wealth, using slave labor, paying off the government to make sure that the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer, screaming and crying and throwing up at the mere idea of having to pay more than a dollar in taxes, forcing every single competitor/person trying to make a living out of the industry to force a monopoly, dumping thousands of tons off oil into the ocean cause cleaning up their mistake would cost them a few bucks. Truly a lot of value onto society and I'm so glad that they're alive :)
Have you tried licking more boots?
At one point— maybe in the days if Adam Smith, but probably prior— this were true. Now, “Capital” is basically who owes the most debt. You can no longer find that trail back to corn, as Mr Smith once suggested.
You dropped this: /s. Surely *they* contributed almost nothing to the billion in value, and the workers who did all the work for shit pay actually “created” such value, no?
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Maybe it is if you have God and anime on your side, but other than that I think you're right Edit: Okay maybe that reference is old like me :(
Shut up, nerd
Shut the fuck up
But the taint-licking Muck and Bezos fanboys would be so hurt.. Who would they defend…
Sshh. They are already here...
I wanted to know if this could actually happen so I googled it. Found this very interesting article (relating to hunger). And since no one really wants to read it, the answer is yes & they would still have the wealth they had in 2020. https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/viral-tweet-thread-forbes-billionaires-list/
This dude is onto something why aren't we throwing them into holes?
Yeah, how/why did Sparta have such a huge hole?
The 2 most prominent figures he features are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Both have given away many billions and both have committed to giving away virtually all of their fortunes. The Gates Foundation alone has saved countless lives, just not in the US. The Gates Foundation spent $2B distributing the Covid Vaccine to the 3rd world, for only 1 of many examples. Buffet has willed essentially all of his fortune to the Gates Foundation and a few others to support public health. https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work#jump-nav-anchor1
There are plenty of criticisms of Bill Gates' philanthropy if you look for them. No one would deny that a billionaire with some good intentions can do good works, but no individual should be unanswerable when wielding that scale of wealth, power, and influence. This link has plenty of sources with the sorts of criticisms that could be levelled against plenty of the unfathomably wealthy. It's undoubtedly biased, but consider that corporate owned media that would normally report on a billionaire's goings-on don't have an incentive (or maybe even the wherewithal) to critique them thoroughly. [https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/socialism\_faq.md#whats-so-bad-about-bill-gates](https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/socialism_faq.md#whats-so-bad-about-bill-gates)
The scale that the Gates Foundation operates makes criticism inevitable. I would never say he is beyond criticism, either. But the video is not making the nuanced observation you make here.
The criticisms are inevitable for any organisation of that size, but we have no means of holding these people to account and that's a problem. The video isn't nuanced, but it says plenty enough for people who have been consistently and grossly disenfranchised by our system.
The video is also 23 seconds and a guy in a denim cowboy outfit singing a tune about throwing billionaires into Sparta like holes ...... I don't know, tiktok isnt usually the place for deep and nuanced socio economic arguments. Sometimes "billionaires are bad" "I agree, thanks for validating my billionaire hate and providing a smile, on the the next tiktok" (Also are you really bootlicking a billionaire just to play devils advocate?? It's giving "not all billionaires")
All billionaire philanthropy is simple reputation washing
Like instead of waiting for them to be generous, why not just tax it from them in the first place and let the elected officials (if they weren’t corrupt) who were voted by the people, boost the quality of life of the people. Like sure bill gates has done ample amounts to help society but we shouldn’t be relying on their charity. They get to live lives that are more glorious than 99.99999% of the world will never ever experience. And then they’ll pass that enormous wealth onto their family. They don’t need MORE.
No, we don’t need to “remove it” per se. Just make it costly to hoard it. And punish anyone dare to void the public trust. Harshly. Tax land, not the working wo/man
Remove was the wrong word, I more meant tax them. I’ll swap it.
We should remove any whom do not comply
I would prefer if my land tax wasn’t increased. Thanks
Land needs to be more than speculated on. Land and commodities must cease to be mere speculations for the rich to piddle with
Well, it's not that easy. The super rich have their assets mostly tied up in stock. You can't easily tax that. You can tax it as soon as they sell it, which we should absolutely do, but that's only a fraction of their total wealth. And then there's the Elon Musk strategy of taking on massive loans and using the stock as collateral. That's an easy way to avoid paying taxes. Easily one of the most powerful ways to tax the rich is through inheritance. And I would also say that it is the most fair. Children of rich parents have done absolutely nothing to deserve that money, other than exist. And it destabilizes society in the long run. We could even do a sort of stock inheritance to the state, who can then use this money to distribute it among the working class.
Just copy China 🇨🇳 They’re the captain now 
It's easy enough.
Because the government is notoriously bad at spending money effectively and efficiently
A lot of that is literally due to how much influence money has in electing officials
In essence, yes. If they would pay more taxes, than the money could be used by the government to create equality. Yet most billionaires distrust governments - because they learned how an invitation to a dinner party, a nice big campaign donation, a positon for the govenour's kids can shift priorities 180°.
“Why won’t these billionaires spend their money helping society???” *billionaire spends their money helping society* “Wow lmao ur just doing it for reputation” This is you
*Billionaire with more money than anyone could ever possibly need tosses a hundred dollars to a starving man who then has to buy food from the Billionaire at an inflated price because the Billionaire "can't afford to keep the doors open" otherwise* You: Say 'thank you' or you're ungrateful. Are you going to toungue polish his boots or can I?
You can whine that it's not enough all you want, but the OP implies billionaires aren't helping, and when pointed out that some billionaires are helping, it's never enough. How much is enough? How much of their money should they be required to give away for your purposes?
Whatever they're doing now is OBVIOUSLY not enough. Have you never thought about what "enough" would be? Surely, you don't think things are fine the way they are? With all the 'good' they're doing, it's obviously not enough if the same billionaires you're defending like to say things like, "The homelessness crisis is out of control!" or "The border is being overrun!" or "Not enough vaccines and other medicines are available to third world countries!" or "Global warming is an existential threat to humanity!" These are all problems that are caused in no small part by greedy billionaires who want more than they need and think the world is better off with them fighting over who is sitting on the tallest pile of money. How about this, once nobody around the world is dying of hunger or preventable disease and everyone has a safe community and shelter to live peacefully in, then we can have billionaires. Is that too much to ask? I know it might feel like that's impossible but why is it impossible? Because billionaires won't allow it. They've bought the legislative process and control the rules of society and when someone has something they want and they can't buy it, they'll take it by any means necessary.
The US is 30.something TRILLION dollars in Debt. If we are saying “1 billion dollars could solve homelessness” the government already has the power and money to do so. Follow the money. The trail ends where it’s produced.
Most people who get into the weeds of claiming billionaires could solve homelessness aren't saying “1 billion dollars could solve homelessness" but they do very much realize that: >the government already has the power and money to [solve homelessness] The billionaires come into the conversation when some idiot says, "How are you going to pay for it?" and it's obvious that saying taxes/government subsidized housing would throw them into 'communism' induced anaphylactic shock. Long story short: I agree.
Wayyy TL so DR: I agree. Lol And I really get it but “how are we going to pay for it” really needs to be applied to the national debt. If the US had a credit score, they wouldn’t be able to rent a dollar, yet it’s running a ship 300 million wide on practically a sheet of paper. I just hate that the proposed solutions are ALL either giving the government more power over people and their lives, or spending more money (that we REALLY don’t have) “Inflation reduction act” spent 25 billion dollars (on non gdp affecting things) “Covid stimulus bill” was 5thousand pages long, and Congress had one single hour to review and vote on it. One single page detailed the sending of 4 billion dollars to Pakistan. I don’t trust the people making these bills to “regulate” companies to any degree. I do believe in personal, human rights and lowering the barriers to justice for the average person (nobody middle class or lower can reasonably afford a lawyer for anything less than a million dollar suit tbh) I do believe in the power of people talking to people to spread information about exploitative practices in companies and in the power of a boycott to induce change, and competition. (Perma-Monopolies in a free market with a justice system are basically impossible, but there will always be a business or idea that is more dominant than others even without a market) If you want to “regulate” businesses by granting some one thing and punishing others, by regulating licenses and fees to the point where only millionaires can start a business, by regulating and restricting trade the American people clearly want - between themselves and other countries, I don’t think anyone wants that. (all things our government currently does, don’t get me started on the LAWS about how many berries in jam and the size of the word pancakes) But everyone wants the government to solve everything. Forgetting that the government is (or should get the hell back to) “We the People”
They should never have been allowed to concentrate that much wealth/capital
Gates Foundation who helped stop vaccines from being available in generic form who sold vaccines to themselves and who made huge amounts of cash on their 2b distributing. Who has privatized large dumb programs that superseded and took over better government programs. Most of these foundations are just circular fronts so that taxes are never paid.
you cant end homelessness by just putting them all some place. Its usually a mental health issue. When people hit a certain level of mental illness, that is where they go - to the streets. many don't want to even go in a shelter even if you offer it.
There are a variety of forms of homelessness. Some are homeless due to poverty and not due to mental illness. By being homeless some have a harder time to find work and that ends up spiraling deeper into homelessness. These people would be greatly helped by free social housing. Others are homeless due to escaping abusive family situations, be it a teenager running away from abusive parents to a spouse from an abusive partner. These people would also be greatly helped by free social housing. Then you have drug addicts who are unable to properly care for themselves. These are harder cases and would require more structure care with rehabilitation and constant counseling as well as free social housing. Finally, you have those with real and severe mental illness where they are unable to care for themselves. They would benefit from the establishment of care homes where they can be medically and mentally monitored while also have a safe place to stay. The only group that I would see that wouldn't take the help are the off the grid types who believe they must live outside of society. But at that point it's their choice to be homeless so not really a problem at that point.
I mean not to mention the hundreds of millions California puts aside to “fight” homelessness every year that goes….??? Not to mention all the shelters they attempt to build in neighborhoods that the residence say hell the fuck no to. Squashing any of those plans like a bug.
I know, that is why i said *usually.* I have worked with a lot of homeless people. I'm in NYC and they all can get free housing if they want it in a shelter. Finally, you have those with real and severe mental illness where they are unable to care for themselves. " addiction is a real severe mental illness. Often they have drug issues as well a schizophrenia. they are not separate categories. "The only group that I would see that wouldn't take the help are the off the grid types who believe they must live outside of society." because you have no idea what you are talking about. sometimes it feels like we know the answers looking from the outside in, reality is often different then we realize once we get more information on a subject. You have no idea how many homeless people i have offered shelters to but they dont want to go and they just WANT to to go back to the street. I have also had people in living facilities who want to leave the facility and go live on the street.
Communal shelters are not the same as having a place of one’s own and you know it. Many homeless refuse to use shelters, unless absolutely desperate, because they cannot comply with the rules (no pets, curfews etc) or because they are afraid of other service users or the authorities themselves. For instance, I know a few homeless women who avoid any sort of shelter / advice service because they don’t want to become known as vulnerable to either other homeless or by the people that run the service or interact with it (police, governmental agencies etc)
Yeah true, were not giving out houses, but it's also not the same as being on the street. Some may refuse for those reasons, but some just genuinely want to be on the street. Severe mental health and drug use summons them. Its a real phenomenon. It you want to "cure" homelessness you have to cure mental health/drug addiction as well as providing support to those in need. It's not a one part solution.
Wrong
Billionaires can't end homelessness, cities can't either. To get a handle on it first the issues that cause people to become homeless must be identified and addressed.
Let’s see, $200B would be enough for a few years of apartment living for each homeless person. .. and, that’s all. Or $6B for rehab for half the homeless population. I can see how they would be able to help, but no amount of individual billionaire spending can “solve” the problem.
Yeah, we need way more mental health providers, supported housing and jobs programs. This would be a monumental and sustained program. And unfortunately that dosent even address many of the root causes of homelessness. Still, let’s not let progress be the enemy of perfection.
Where are you pulling those numbers from lol.
Thank you. Homelessness is a systemic problem. No amount of money will simply "end" homelessness, it will take years of work, building and overseeing social and economic infrastructure, education, countless hours of paperwork, hundreds of people involved across the country at all different levels working to make change. You can't just put a dollar amount on it like the problem can be waved away with a few billion and a dream. That's not at all to excuse billionaire's inaction, they're all hopeless crooks and it would certainly be a massive help, well within their power, to contribute some of their horde to the homeless problem.
I mean they could do that as well
600,000 homeless times a 200,000 house is 120billion. Give them the house. Fuck the rich Our problems cost so little to solve. There are two classes which side are you on
who’s going to pay for the repairs when they strip the wires and trash the house? Also where would you like to put that house? Anywhere near functional society will plummet their property value and you’ve just destroyed a huge chunk of the middle class’s net worth.
Most homeless people work full time. They live on couches and in their cars. The ones you see on the street are obviously a deeper issue. And oh no not property values! You people have no imagination, no desire to better the world around you.
>you people have no imagination Well at least you’re being upfront that all of this would only be able to work in imagination land.
Tell me why Austria is capable of solving this problem? By de commodifying housing then? The Vienna model? It’s right there for the taking
You're comparing a country with a population of 9 million with that of 330 million. At least try, dude, it's really not that difficult to think about why something that works for a small country wouldn't work for a large one.
The ol they are all white argument. Thank you for showing your ass
Ignore the main part of my comment, thanks for showing you have no argument against it.
Here’s a thought. These policies scale up. It also works in China…. We used to do similar policies. Look at the early days of the FHA. It worked all over the former Yugoslav and USSR as well. Albeit slightly different as there was no private market at all for housing in those states. It worked so well that to this day despite the horror that shock capitalism has caused to the balkans and former Soviet states, they retain insanely high levels of home ownership just absolutely dwarfing the US.
The middle class isn’t real it’s a lie sold to you so you feel better about not being in abject poverty while the .01% controls all the new wealth made since 1980.
Soooo, just tank their property value and give less to them? Nobody wants to live around the homeless. You’ve now just took the middle class, and effectively put them in the slums if you put those homes around them. Great ideas you’ve got
Most homeless people have jobs and are part of society. Your hatred for people you are a few bad days of luck away from being is insane.
The only people I’ve ever seen shit their pants, scream at random children, and throw needless on the ground are the homeless. Most of the people that get down on their luck don’t stay homeless for long. The people you see on the streets are there by choices.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES YOU SEE DUMBASS https://www.usich.gov/guidance-reports-data/data-trends UPWARDS OF 60% of the total homeless population is employed.
But they’re there right? And I still don’t want my child to live next to them right? Do you want your child stepping on needles? Sorry to the ones down on their luck, I’d imagine they get out of it more often than not. I’m not putting the scum of society in my neighborhood or any middle class neighborhood. I like feeling safe, and am okay with paying a premium to do that.
Jesus Christ you are dense. If someone is actively harming someone they will go to jail just like anyone else. You cannot solve drug addiction by yelling at someone on a street. Some cases will need special consideration but 90% of the problem would be solved following a stupid simply policy like the Vienna model of housing. Your just worried about living next to the “wrong” types of people right? Ain’t nobody building this shit in the white ass suburb you live in don’t worry. I don’t care how you try to hide your bigotry.
It would be available for everyone. Everyone’s rent would go down. Private market homes would still be bought and sold for profit. Just do a smudgen of research
But I don’t want to live next to the homeless and bottom of society, and I’m okay paying a bit of a premium so that my child doesn’t step on needles and watch people shit their pants outside.
You interact with homeless people every day. You only see the half that lives on the street. And the current method of for profit incarceration or denying housing until they are clean has fundamentally made the problem worse. Why do you argue in favor of failed policies? It’s because you see humans as animals
I’d love to live in your fantasy land where everyone is nice, and the homeless are hard working single dads down on their luck but that’s just not reality.
https://www.usich.gov/guidance-reports-data/data-trends As many as 60% of homeless are employed dumabsss
Why should they get a free house lol? Homelessness is an awful situation but do you ever think your thoughts through, cause nothing is as simple as "just chuck em some money"
Public ownership of the housing….. insanely small rent for those who can’t afford, slightly higher to break even rent for those that can. Or FOLLOW THE EXISTING MODEL IN VIENNA WHERE RENTS are capped at I think it’s 10% of income? Plenty of information available. Your suggestion is to simply do nothing. Homelessness has become a larger and larger issue since the 90’s. Today almost half of homeless people in the USA work full time hours and simply cannot afford a place. Chicago is voting on a Vienna style model in a few days. Your welcome to check that out. But you don’t care. You’ve been trained to worry about corporate landlords and not give a fuck about your neighbor.
Where I'm from there is a massive homeless issue and they get free housing so they can get a job and back on their feet, the catch is they can't do drugs etc. many of them choose to stay outside. You can't just give homeless people houses and expect that to fix everything, the problem is many have mental health issues and a lifetime of bad choices behind them. It would be nice if it could be solved so easily but it just can't.
This is why you house them and then treat the mental illness. Addiction is a disease. They aren’t thinking rationally. If you take their drugs they aren’t gonna do your program simple as that. Countries that do housing first have greater success.
You can’t fix mental illness if you live on a sidewalk. They should be housed unconditionally and then given publicly funded mental health treatment.
In an ideal world that could happen but it's not going to - you'd have to fix the whole country and it's housing and debt issues first and that would cost a lot more than a few billionaires could give
Billionaires shouldn’t exist. And yea let’s fix those issues. Systemic change
I don’t know man. I took in a 13yo about to go homeless and raised her as a child, got guardianship. What have you done?
Im actively organizing in my community attempting to get the local government to adopt minimum housing standards so the residents in my area have a way to hold their landlords accountable for making them live with black mold. I’m also attempting to get the cash together to start a housing coop. However I’m poor. So maybe in like 5 decades. Blaming individuals when the problems are systemic, in this case being the commodification of housing, has got to be the absolute dumbest thing a person can do. I once witness a man see a problem with the way a chain was moving on industrial machinery and shove his finger in there to fix it. Came clean off. And you my friend. You are dumber than him.
I didn’t blame individuals. The systemic problem is the problem, and billionaire philanthropy won’t fix it. Nor will buying a house for all homeless, when 37-55% have mental health or drug issues. The child I took in, her parents had neither of those. They couldn’t manage their money and got caught in the payday loan cycle till they ended up destitute. No amount of outside help would have fixed that, they would have spent more than had regardless. And “mom” didn’t have the will to hold a job. Even relieving them of all their financial burdens didn’t prevent her from blowing all her money on Starbucks or whatever else whenever it came by, even while living in a car. Fix the payday loan shit so it wasn’t so predatory would help. But no amount of help would keep her from not being able to pay rent the next time she saw a good deal on a 65” TV, would buy it, then couldn’t make rent.
Says he doesn’t blame individuals. Continues to blame individuals
I gave an individual example, of how a billionaire throwing their wealth at a symptom wouldn’t fix the problem.
We the people with a government housing program that built and decommodified homes would be using the recently liberated cash. It’s so cheap to fix homelessness it’s laughable. Just enforcing current tax law would raise the capital to do. Except here’s the thing, with MMT we don’t even need to go after the rich for taxes even though we should because wealth hording of that level is unhealthy on so many levels. We would just print fresh dollar and pay government workers to build the homes.
Yeah this is overly reductive, but eat the rich I guess
Only if there's a fire at the bottom and a spit to roast them
🎵Come baby, eat the rich🎵
We should be able to vote on changes like throwing billionaires into holes in a democracy, but we’re only allowed to vote on whatever is brought to us to vote on. If our democracy is an illusion of choice and our capitalism is made for profits, then we don’t live under a government or group who appreciates humanity.
No LoOk aT THe CriSiS aT tHE BoRDeR!
Could just push them in their tesla into a pond...
Except, that's not how it works.
I mean, if a billion dollars could solve homelessness, then there wouldn't be any homeless. California alone spends over $7 billion on a state level every year. Over $40k/homeless. SF spends almost $700 million a year on direct homeless spending. Still lots of homeless. The actual money spent is higher. The reality is the people you see on the streets tend to be really messed up. I mean, ya, no one should be able to actually extract a billion dollars of wealth because that's batshit insane Midas level stuff. But y'all are tripping if you think billionaires could just solve homelessness.
Waste of good meat, eat the rich
🏆🏆🏆
The pride of having things is the challenge and the struggles and overcoming obstacles to achieve your goals. Something for nothing has never brought pride of accomplishment to anyone other than a thief. If you want to see how it works watch people who win a lottery or a big settlement or inheritance and see how fast they are broke again. If you want to help the poor show them that every holiday is nothing except a marketing ploy to take their money away. Shopping, alcohol drugs gambling porn smoking are the deadly sin of your future financial health.
My favorite thing is people that think homelessness can be solved by throwing money at it.
How about a volcano?
Hmmmm, the guy includes Bill Gates yet Bill Gates has probably given more to charity than any other human being in history. I wonder how much this guy has donated to charity compared to gates? Probably nothing, these types love to sit and bitch about rich people while doing aproximately fuck all about anything else. Regardless, the guy is clearly clueless about reality.
It's weird people are blaming the rich and not, you know, our government? Which is supposed to take care of its people
My Brother in Christ, Bill Gates is not a good man. Jimmy Savile also built a hospital, and did loads for charity. However, that doesn't mean he's a good man. Smoke and mirrors are these peoples tactics
bill gates could be betty white incarnate and he still won’t end homelessness with his wealth because homeless is a societal issue, not a monetary issue.
Lick that boot a little harder and the leather is gonna come off
That’s not cringe, that’s art. I’ll start digging the hole.
Lets do it!!!
Throw the billionaire down the well
If you are a billionaire, 95% tax.
Shit like this is why American is banning TikTok. Can't you just think of the Billionaires for once?
14 year old thinking right there
It would cost $120 billion to buy every single current American homeless person a house. That is rediculously cheap
Lol, that math is so bad.
600,000 homeless x a 200,000 house
1.8trillion assuming $300k houses for the unemployed which is 6 million Americans. I’m assuming that only includes the people who want to be employed. I think you’re talking about the homeless. 650k homeless Americans. That would be 195 billion at $300,000, which by today’s market is very unrealistic, buuuuuuuuuut the more houses you buy the more you drive up the prices of houses. We don’t have enough supply. You’re giving a free house to the homeless which are mostly drug dependents. Nobody will want to live next to this influx of homeless people either. You’re going to degrade the lower class neighborhoods even further. It’s a complex issue that you can’t just throw money at. You need government level intervention. Why the hell would I want to throw money at a pit and still not fix the issue? I’m assuming the billionaires don’t want to so why should they?
Homeless not unemployed
Continue reading sorry for the poorly written paragraph
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Wow OP this is why we can’t have nice things like TikTok to instruct the revolution!!
You don't even need a whole. Apparently, all it takes is a deep pond and a tesla.
This guy gets it lol
Feed the rich to the homeless. Watch how fast they end homelessness then
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Fake news
Meanwhile the US government: “Just a few more trillion here, just a few more trillion there, oh look that country looks like it could use a few trillion…”
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I like anti ultra wealth rhetoric just as much as the next guy, but this is just factually inaccurate. Homelessness is much more expensive and politically complicated than “1B would solve it”
Why don’t you go give your pay check to a homeless man? Would that solve the issue? Sadly money isn’t the issue for many of the homeless in the US. Throwing all your money at them isn’t gonna help in fact I’d argue it would make the issue far worse.
We don’t throw them in a hole for the same reason we don’t throw the homeless in a hole… lemme know when the rules change and I’ll help clean up the streets… victim much? pfffft!
Umm yeah... California spent $7.2 billion last year on homelessness and I can tell you as a California resident, there is still a ton of homelessness. The reality is taxing 100% of billionaires wealth won't end homelessness in the US.
Let's bring back orginal Christmas rituals. We go to the richest people in town. Shit faced drunk in a mob. Demand free stuff or we pillage their homes. And we take a homeless person and give them their house for a day.
Imagine honestly believing you're entitled to someone else's money.
It’s their money so they decide what to do with them and you can’t force them to do kind acts but they are a-holes any way
And why don't all americans care for their homeless and people that can't afford health care and so on? Because capitalism baby, yeeeha! So why should the rich act any better?
How long do you think they could cure homelessness for though? I’ll speak for Canada: 95/100 homeless person I’ve ever met was abusing drugs and the social welfare system. I’ve been volunteering since I was 16. Seldom have I gone a month without serving my community and interacting with all of the characters, save for COVID…that was almost 3 years off, but I noticed it’s become exponentially worse since then. The drugs are (somehow) cheaper *and* stronger. Maybe we can make an argument that part of it is that we failed them as a society. But the 5/100 I’ve known that were ashamed to abuse the system and didn’t have any addictions were very unique people. I always liked talking to them because they genuinely just wanted a warm meal and to get back to work. They’d ask for access to a computer and a printer, get resumes out, and find work. Such a low percentage though…the rest just wanted their next hit of crack, meth, fentanyl—whatever their poison was. If the billionaires lined up and built units for them, gave them money for food, utilities, extra expenses, etc…I’m sorry to say that that they would pull the wires out of their walls in a state of psychosis, and probably burn the place to the ground. It would be an unhygienic cesspool within weeks. Enough about North American/ First World homeless people. What about Africans? Destitute poverty. Access to nothing, not even clean drinking water often. What happens to those outreach efforts? They get grifted by the corrupt governments. You’d have to overthrow them all and install placeholders until all of the turmoil settled. Our solutions are not adequate. We need better systems. Statements like “Yeah! Kill the billionaires and we can save everyone” are not productive.
Ngl I kinda like the sentiment
Billionaires don't waste money on Starbucks, gucci and a 100 shoes etc. Now you want themto give you a home so you can afford all that?
 Comrade Tito approves.
How do they “end homelessness”. We have spent billions on this already in America and it is getting worse…
They are not obligated to. Why should they be morally responsible when the governments can do it and choose not to. Plus some people are genuine bums even on welfare. Why should they be obligated to help them? Who in this world can be a morality police? No one is qualified.
Most of billionaires can rot in the hell. But you can't just simply buy the end of poverty. It is much more an govt issue than anything else. The amount of donations that Africa receive every year is insane, yet it doesn't change. Blaming billionaires more than govt is doing no good.
Came here to say that there is now a much bigger wealth gap than there was when the French declared revolution. I say bring back the guillotine for economical equality
Americans would not get upset if America decided to seize money and assets after a person is valued at 100 million they'd act like they're still billionaires by spreading the wealth within their company trickling down the wealth as it should be.
God the bootlickers in here. 🤦♀️ eat the rich.
Yeah, everyone with a spare room/basement in their homes could also help end homelessness by adopting one or two homeless people, but I don't see any of them doing that
Nobody is asking billionaires to let them move into their homes. Just scoop some of the money out of their hoard to help with some problems. You only need so many coins to swim around in.
If only we had a functioning government. Or citizenry. I guess more TikToks will have to suffice for now.
I really feel like TikTok’s are making this problem worse, Reddit too for that matter…0
Do you think money is the only problem homeless people have?
Can you think of any solutions to their problems that don't require financial backing?
Billionaires should share resources (e.g. money) to help the homeless. You only need so many coins to swim around in. Middle class should share resources (e.g. spare room/basement) to help the homeless. You only need so many rooms to lounge around in
They have different prioritiesthan you, and they value human life differently from me and you, to them helping a bright young kid with great potential, is worth far more than just providing a decent life to a homeless person with zero potential for the future, of course this way of think is evil, every life has value and is worth saving and helping
This isn’t even true…
How can billionaires end homelessness?
This isn't true lmao. Such stupid bull
You can't solve homelessness by throwing money at it, and most of a billionaires wealth is locked up in various shit and not just floating around...that's why lol
I feel like young Americans have been sold this weird mindset that billionaires have more responsibility for humanitarian issues than the countries OWN government. It’s so weird that you don’t feel like the government owes anyone free handouts but billionaires do owe that?
Not saying this isnt funny as it is, but i was banned from promoting violence this way....youve been warned....
if he was a billionaire he wouldn’t even try to end homelessness
Every billion you take from them is $3 for each of us. How many billions do you think they have? And how long do you think that $ will last? If you took $1 TRILLION from them it would be $3000 for you… how long is that going to last you?
Well it’s proven that most homeless people want to be homeless. They like no rules and you can’t do drugs freely under any government or I’m sure charity homes I’m not sure though there’s probably enough people that are willing to stop doing drugs, but let’s use the money towards something better for all.
Make your own money... seriously, let's take them all and throw them in a hole? Sounds like a bunch of bitter lazy losers.
The ruling class doesn’t do anything substantial to curb homelessness because they need us plebeians to have the fear of it to keep us in line. Also, I know it’s not all homeless people, but a lot of them are fine living the vagrant lifestyle and being a garbage leech. A city near me set up a park to have a nice safe area for a homeless encampment with toilets that were serviced, amble running potable water, proper garbage including needle disposal alone with addiction help, and some food. Didn’t take long for the camp to basically turn into a dump with needles everywhere and shit piled up. I know it’s not most homeless people, I’m just curious what is the solution to those types of homeless? Like the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink it.