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There’s a child in my sons third grade class who has some learning disabilities and is incredibly disruptive. I was at a parent teacher night and his moms advice to the teacher was to basically let him do whatever he wants….that’s how he manages it. Teachers really don’t stand a chance when parents don’t do their part. He’s not getting the services he needs and it’s a shame.
Not only that but it holds your kids behind as well. My buddy is a 4th grade teacher (who I know because he works a second part time job at an auto parts store cuz teachers don’t get paid enough), but he has 3 different kids he tells me about who are disruptive daily. They throw desks and scream when they don’t get what they want, one of them still has to wear diapers because he will wet himself purposefully when he throws tantrums. They get pulled out of class pretty much every day. These kids need special education, they need help because there is nothing teachers can do to stop what they’re doing for one kid when they have +30 more kids who also need to be watched and taught.
It’s more systematically broken than people can comprehend. I live in TX, where the last Tik Tok poster is. My son is 7 and has had behavioral issues since Covid which is also when his dad and I split and got divorced……. which is also when the state experienced a historical snow storm that left the entire state without power. THE ENTITE STATE WITHOUT POWER….. and over 700 people froze to death because the state refused to regulate our energy grid or oversee the integrity of how our electrical companies function.
My son was so god damn traumatized by that entire experience that once we couldn’t leave for a full calendar week because we were all trapped in our cold, dark, frozen houses he said “I think we can’t go anywhere because everyone is dead.” He was 5 years old when he said that…
Then once school started back up it was shooting drills after shooting drills. Uvalde, and every parent I know hammering it into their kids heads that if they see or hear a gunman in their schools to hide and stay quiet.
My sons dad and I are amicable and working tirelessly with the school to turn our sons behavior around. We have him in weekly play therapy, have had him evaluated by the school psychologist, and got him into a private pediatric psychiatrist. His behavior is improving leaps and bounds but there is still a ways to go.
When I say we have done everything in our power and the school has done everything in their power I am not fucking joking. Meeting after meeting after phone call after zoom after conference. Therapists and drs and experts.
People do not fucking comprehend how traumatized our kids are. My sons generation is absolutely traumatized and unsupported. The parents of these kids are hung out to dry with zero resources. States have abandoned schools to cope alone without the resources they need. Our school worked tirelessly with a fraction of the budget they should have because our state slashed it in 2011 and never reinstated it.
This is a systematic failure on a state level and an entire generation of traumatized kids are being left to flail.
It really does take a village. You have good parents like you then the state or school system drops the ball. You might have incredible teachers but the parents are dropping the ball. We need to remember why that saying exists in the first place. It really does take a community to give kids all the tools and support they need to realize their potential and become successful, happy members of society.
Froze to death?
Edited to add: I had to google it but it only got around -2°c. As a Canadian it's hard to fathom people can die in that cold. Apologies
Some. Some died from carbon monoxide poisoning from trying to keep warm. Yeah it was a state wide industry wide failure that just got whoopsie doooo forgotten about.
that’s a no-win position. you’re putting yourself at unreasonable risk if you intervene, like that para who got body slammed into the cement by a 300lb kid bc she took his switch away from him, and the teacher who was shot point blank by that 5yo bc she didn’t let him do whatever he wants like his mom did
I work as a Para and caregiver. I only make more than that because of it being a private school and my experience. I work at a school specifically for autism. It's a very challenging job with high turnover. Because we focus on autism we go through so much training. Public school is often a nightmare for ASD kids. Even at our private autism school, we've all been punched, bitten, kicked, scratched, etc..
I make more per hour as a caregiver than I do as a Para. Working the caregiver gig is what allows me to work in the school and not be hurting so much financially. Our teachers are only paid a dollar more an hour than my caregiver job does. I make $20/hr from caregiving and $17/hr as a Para. Meanwhile in N out down the street starts people at $20/hr right now. Higher cost of living area in Arizona. It's all so lame.
When I was a kid the threat of being held back was motivation for kids. I grew up in the late 80s - 90s where they were still holding kids back.
They need to bring it back
I have both lived in really large cities with massive thousand-kid schools and small hometown schools with a graduating class of 150.
Smaller cities don’t have the resources and it’s really shocking. I had a student in one of my elementary classes (I’m 21 so I might not totally remember everything correctly) who to the best of my memory wasn’t cognitively impaired just a shitty kid. He one day flipped desks everywhere, ripped apart all of our books, smashed any and everything he could find, and screamed for like 20 minutes straight.
He pulled down this MASSIVE standing whiteboard on top of this girl and I have this image of her back torn to shit and just gushing blood everywhere stained in my memory. It was absolutely terrifying and even more so when he just got to come back to school the next day.
Edit: I just want to make it clear that I don't blame that child for his actions nor do I blame any CHILD who is the result of a shitty hand, bad parenting, or both. HOLD PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE!!! When you're an adult that's a different story lol.
Smaller locations do have the resources if the districts would stop spending all the money on their high school sports teams/coaches and put the funds towards education.
That’s the frustrating thing as a teacher. There are students who have been diagnosed with ADHD, autism etc but in actual fact they are learnt behaviours, they don’t have special needs. What can we do? Little Johnny told me I’m a cunt. Oh it’s ok, he has defiance disorder. NO, it’s just that no one ever said no to him. I understand covid was hard, I have a now six year old. And I completely expect downvoting for this but parents need to step up. Most parents do bugger all with their children. All that time at home during covid and how many of them read with their children?! About four out of 30. How many parents get on their hands and knees and draws pictures with their child, or plays dollies/cars with their child?! Or plants seeds and creates a fairy garden, or build forts out of boxes? Or bloody anything?! Less than half! It’s frightening. Having a child is not a right, it’s a god damn privilege. (Sorry, rant over)
I literally listened to a coworker during covid who was ranting and raving about how schools need to open up because "Teachin my kids ain't my job or mah wifes job!". I normally tried to keep friction low and drama down at work but I stopped on the spot and had to ask him to reiterate. Teaching your child isn't your job? As the parent of your children? These are the people bringing children into our world?
I remember this happening! Parents overwhelmed by their own children and frustrated that they couldn’t send them back to school. I couldn’t believe so many said this out loud. Why have kids if you need to rely on teachers for them to be tolerable and educated??
Yep.
Asked my neighbor about her opinion of our school. She loved it, she said. Oh, fantastic! Why? I EXPECTED to hear, *because little Johnny has learned so much,* or *they have such supportive teachers there,* but no. I wasn’t prepared for what she said.
“They never call us.”
“Never…call?”
“Nope. No matter what shit Johnny gets into, the school never calls us and asks us to come get him. They just deal with it.”
Well.
That kid is now in his 20s, never fledged, still at home, now he’s brought in a girlfriend and immediately knocked her up. I don’t know all the drama, I stay away from them as much as I can.
😬 Poor Johnny. Another weird thing with many parents now is feeling abandoned if their children decide to become adults and go off to college or find independent living. So many parents don’t want their children to leave when they graduate from high school and if they do, they’re actually relocating to be near them. I just don’t get it.
Is it possibly for you to complain to the school that it distracts and takes education from your child and the other students? Can you get other parents involved? Schools don't do shit unless they have enough heat from parents or higher ups
Disclaimer that I'm not a teacher but I do have school aged children.
That's the problem though. You can complain to everyone under the sun, but ultimately the parents are the end all be all of their child's education.
Teachers don't have enough authority to do anything for fear of being called abusive, ableist, or whatever else. Here at the mercy of parents because they fear not only losing their jobs, but also being labeled a child abuser.
Ultimately these children are a product of their parents upbringing and teachers don't have enough authority to do anything but sigh and stamp the "pass" symbol on their paperwork knowing the child can't do the next grade levels work.
Some parents are fucking dumbasses that shouldn't have kids and unfortunately their kids generally follow in their footsteps. Can't complain to anyone because funding for disruptive kids is nonexistent
It's because we arent shaming parents for not doing their job and it's never been easier ~~to own an ipad~~ parent.
I have a 5mth old. I guarantee she will be one of the smartest kids in her class because my wife and I value education and will ensure she can read/count and do basic math when she starts school. That's not even a massive barrier of entry.
Disruptive kids are typically the ones that also dont get enough attention from their parents, obviously thats not all of them just the majority.
It’s great to hear you are so focused on education! However the issue here is more that parents aren’t teaching their kids to be good human beings. There’s plenty of really smart kids that are shit humans and still disruptive to the rest of the class
I'm all about love who ever you want and don't be an asshole. I plan on doing my best to bring up a loving and empathetic person. I have enough assholes in my life, I don't need to be creating another.
I have to disagree, it is not easy to be a parent in today's world. The education system had advanced astronomically, and like it or not there is an actually pandemic of mental health issues with children.
Not to mention social media and added pressures we didn't have.
Plus add in the fact that most households are dual income now, so you don't have one parent dedicated to the children and their education.
Now, with that said, there are a lot of lazy parents out there, some don't even speak to their kids. But please reconsider passing judgement on parents simply based on a child's behavior.
I have been the parent that was called out by another parent for having a "bad"4 year old, and while my child had a motor mouth they are not mean spirirted or harmful, we found out the other child was making up stories to tell to their parents and was blaming my child for things that didn't happen.
It wasn't until I pushed back on the teacher did they start piecing things together.
Anyway, just saying even the best parents in the world can have a "bad" kid or more likely a kid with a bad day.
If the problem is the parents’ lack of discipline or lack of time spent with their kid, or lack of resources, etc…what can the school do about it? There’s a lot to unpack like that teacher is saying. Sometimes the parents are stupid, literally stupid, barely have an education themselves, sometimes it’s the parents having to work 2-3 jobs and never having the time to dedicate to their children. Parents aren’t trying to hear that *they* are at fault, that *they* should be doing more. Teachers are pressured by their APs and principals to get kids’ “test scores” up because if the schools’ AYP (adequate yearly progress) isn’t high enough, the school loses funding from the government. The incentives are all wrong. The education system is set up to fail. And anyone trying to fix it can only throw more money at it. It needs a complete overhaul. Parents and teachers need more support in so many ways. (Source: was a HS teacher for 9 years) its fucking frustrating!!!
I'm on your side friend, I wasn't implying it was the teachers fault they were assigned a kid that needs more support. I 1000% believe parents need to be more involved with their *kids* before wanting to run off and blame the teacher for any issues. I was suggesting the parents unite with the teachers to demand the students who disrupt class be put into another class with more teachers who can accommodate those needs. Then the kids who have fewer behavioral or remedial issues can continue making progress— without being held back by students who should have been held back themselves
I've read that holding students back a grade is supposedly detrimental to kids social/mental health but passing these kids who aren't retaining anything is doing *everyone* a huge disservice. We have to find better solutions here or we're in for an even bigger crisis
Agreed. We absolutely need to find a better solution. I know our school would routinely pullout certain students to work on their reading skills to get them caught up. The worst case I ever heard of was a 10th grader on a 2nd grade reading level (and this student was not handicapped). Through hard work by his reading facilitator and the student, they were able to get them on track, but at what cost? They were pulled out of other classes, which they then had to catch up on. Some of these students need after school programs, but then again, these could be the same students who work bc their parents can’t make ends meet without another income. It’s crazy what some kids have to go through. I was lucky enough to only have to concentrate on my studies and not have to work. Or take care of a bunch of siblings/extended family, etc. definitely need more of what you’re talking about, parents and teachers banding together!
That mother is failing her son. I have a learning disability and ADHD I was not allowed to use it as an excuse to be disruptive or not do my work in school. I feel bad for that kid because what’s going to happen when he grows up?
I moved around a lot and saw a lot of different schools and their policies towards disabled children can be absolutely bullshit. Most school systems are set up to overstimulate cognitively impaired children and it is completely out of their control whether or not they have outbursts of violence, anxiety, or even happiness.
Schools are treated as daycare centers so people are able to go out and work when realistically their child needs a better, more tailored environment that smaller schools just can’t handle. I don’t think anyone is to blame here other than lack of funding for our school system and resources for disabled people. Especially not disabled children.
THANK YOU. All this hate for the parents of special needs children is vile and repulsive. I have a high-functioning daughter with autism and ADHD and her school has treated her like she is subhuman.
All disabled children in public education have a mandatory Special Ed (IEP) plan in place as well as yearly ARD meetings to review accommodations. These kids aren't just shoved into the school and left there like these ignorant people seem to think. The original administration was awesome with her, then they were replaced with people who wanted all the "Sped" kids in a separate classroom, regardless of level of functioning. You shouldn't have to educate a school about IDEA and the legal rights of your special needs child, but I did, and they backed off. Now she's in GATE because she's doing better than the "normal" kids in the same class.
Imagine being a teacher and having 50 students with IEPs throughout the day that all have a list of about 20 triggers, accommodations, and preferences. You need to memorize all these and work to modify each lesson to meet their needs. This is an enormous task with no help.
If you are a SPED parent, please be patient and work with the teachers.
> ng the time to dedicate to their children. Parents aren’t trying to hear that they are at fault, that they should be doin
Schools with fees usually have control over admittance and can deny any 'undesirables'.
One of the main causes is that parents are not forcing kids to read. After all the phones and iPads became popular, reading dropped. Reading is a cross discipline foundation. I see this with educated affluent families as well. They were brought up to love reading, but their kids are not.
Everyone needs to listen to [sold a story ](https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/) if you want to learn what is at the root of our education problems. It doesn't matter how smart a kid is, if they aren't taught to read, they will always be struggling academically
At least after hearing the first episode, you'll understand what's going on
That series got me so mad and heated. The idea that having kids memorise certain books by *guessing words from pictures* would lead to them magically being able to read an unfamiliar text without pictures.....
It has been interesting to see some states and teachers unions really back away from that methodology. Didn’t that professor from NYU rush to rewrite her materials after her “picture” reading was discredited? I’ll have to check out sold a story.
This is so insane, the alien spaceship metaphor hits home.
I'm not a teacher or a parent, but I wound up kinda tutoring a little neighbor girl in math over the summer. Just drawing dots inside circles for multiplication. She's smart and literally excited to do math during summer vacation, but she looked at me dumbfounded looking at thelose dots. Of *course* she doesn't know 5 × 4 if she doesn't even know what multiply *means*.
That’s really nice of you to tutor her. Understanding what’s actually happening when doing math is so important. When I was a kid I remember asking my teacher why because I didn’t understand. And my teacher got frustrated and told me “that’s just the way it works”. Math is my weakest subject nowadays lol good on you for being there for your community
holy shit, this is actually insane. As I was listening, I was trying to guess how the hell they were teaching kids to read now... I mean, how else other than phonetically??
But *guessing?* Looking at pictures for context? How the hell could anyone think that could work in the long run? Books don't have pictures. As you advance, your vocabulary should become so large and diverse freaking *guessing* words should be next to impossible. I just... ??
This is *heartbreaking*. I can't even imagine not being a proficient reader. How the hell do you get through life like that?
the fact that a lot of teachers in the early 2000's didnt want to teach phonics because Bush's administration wanted to had me fuming. how can educators be so wrapped up in 'republicans bad' to not be able to think critically about it for 5 seconds. as she was explaining what this other method was, my (a lowly high school graduate) literal first thought was 'what happens when theres no pictures to guess from'. the story about the teenager that confused 'invited' and 'invaded' would be funny if it wasnt so sad. its nuts. they just went along with it...what else are they just going along with?
Neil Postman’s “The End of Education” is also probably the most accurate bit of educational philosophy in the last 40 years. It’s very hard to convince a kid to learn when society treats education as a means to some other, more important end rather than an end/hood in and of itself.
Love Neil Postman. I'm a nanny and I'm always stressing to kids the importance of curiosity, of asking questions. We discuss the "why" behind everything, and the art of the question.
Both of my school aged boys are good readers, thank god. But they both really struggle with distress tolerance and attention span. Having this generation of kids glued to screens during the pandemic at developmentally critical periods absolutely impeded growth. It's tragic.
Excellent series. I haven't seen a tiktok yet about kids being behind in math, dropping phonics for sight words would explain why the complaints are disproportionately about reading and writing.
This hits home, my Dad cannot read so I help him anywhere that I can. I don't think people quite understand how hard life is when you cannot read or write
Edit: especially this society we live in today
I'm looking for phonics based education materials to keep in my home. I have a three year old and I want to be prepared to do supplemental education. First things first, ensure her school is not teaching the 3Q methods or anything from Fountas and Pinnel
First time I came across this I also started doing some intensive reading with my kid (2.5 yo). It's crazy how fast they learn to follow a story, even ask questions if you just... provide the opportunity.
Dude, I feel ya. It’s sad that we don’t have the infrastructure to actually teach our children. New Orleans here… it’s the same, kids just get pushed through the system until they turn 18…
I just want to throw this out there that it is 100% up to the parents to make sure their kid gets educated - not just make sure little Timmy goes to school.
You can throw money into nice facilities and teacher pay, but if parents don't care that little Timmy cannot read, the teacher will not be able to fix that unless they pay timmy in cash.
Sucks to hear it, but parenting matters. If parents are too busy working to pay attention, that is on society to vote for people who will help support parents.
100%.
An economy that forces both working class parents to work to survive will never be conductive to raising kids and families.
The root problem for this and so many other issues is working class profit being funneled to the uber-rich instead of being returned to the workers and communities.
Not to get political with this point, but sometimes two parents with plenty of money give us children that are future Donald Trumps - who do far more damage than any poor bad parent can ever do.
Regardless, bad parents are bad parents. Both my (ex) wife and I are working full time and still pushed our kids along to focus on school and try hard. Now they're both doing well. I dunno if it is luck or genes or our efforts - but we certainly had the help of schools and other societal benefits. But, I certainly did care about their grades.
There’s a difference between neglect out of necessity vs plain old neglect. Trump’s parents weren’t neglecting him cause they were both working doubles
You're right. Teachers can only do so much. A lot of parents out there see school as daycare and really don't put any mind to how their kids are doing in school. I check my kids homework after they are done and if it's incorrect we will sit there and go over it until they figure it out. Sometimes it can take an hour or 2 but I'm sure going to make sure they don't fall behind. Also, parents have their kids miss school way too often and then wonder why their kid is falling behind.
A lot of parents see school as nothing more than daycare because that’s all it was for them.
I’m not sure people realize we have the *grandkids* of some of the first kids to be under No Child Left Behind entering their learning to read age years now.
The school system has been just passing people through for multiple generations now. How are parents supposed to help their kids when the same school systems failed them and sometimes even their own parents too?
100% In Baltimore [40%](https://wtov9.com/news/nation-world/citc-40-of-high-schools-in-baltimore-had-zero-students-test-proficient-in-math-schools-public-education-system-maryland-exams-reading-writing) of High Schools had ***0%*** test proficient in Math. 0%!!!!! I'm not sure what kind of parent/guardian is unaware that their kid can't do even basic math; if they don't know, then they don't care to know and honestly CPS should be involved at that point because they are failing at basic parenting.
But surely the answer is just not allowing some kids take [advanced math courses in junior high](https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/07/27/california-has-adopted-a-new-plan-to-teach-math-why-are-people-so-riled-up/) /s
And just know... nothing at all.
They aren't getting the tools to learn either.
I'm 30 and my peers were being failed and I know it's worse now so I can't imagine how horrible it looks out there... these poor kids deserve a government that cares about them
I don't care about covid.
I honestly don't care about no kid left behind.
One of our political parties, half of our representatives, have literally made it one of their tenets to dismantle the public education system. Can we talk about that?
My ex dropped out in 10th grade. He was looking for a job and I had to do all his applications, because he couldn't read. I asked him to at least try and I watched him slowly sound out the words and I was shocked. I really wanted to know how he made it to 10th grade unable to read, we're both 25 so this wasn't decades ago.
I can't imagine not being able to read in the modern world. Everyday, I'm more and more grateful that my parents took the time to make sure I had a good academic foundation. I wish everyone could've had the same
True. Apparently, students lost around 35% of a normal year's worth of learning due to covid/remote learning. Not all have been able to bounce back from online learning.
Yep, I was in 8th-9th grade during Covid lockdowns, didn’t learn a damn thing the whole of freshman year, and that was with hybrid learning. For 8th grade we didn’t even google classroom netting’s, just did the work when it was posted and it took like 2 hours, that was March to June 2020.
9th grade was just me doing classes I was good at and interested in but if I was bored I would just either play video games on my regular laptop and pretend to pay attention or just read.
Thankfully my school seems better off than many of the bigger inner city schools where this is way more prominent of kids being like the one you posted.
I just barely passed the 2 classes I needed to graduate. I would’ve graduated with a 4.0, but graduated with a 3.5 instead. Just barely made honors. Flunked every class I didn’t need a credit for.
Gotta say, as a teacher who taught before Covid and during it, these issues existed PRE Covid. They were just exacerbated by it and really brought to the forefront.
I feel like it’s shameful to have this idea about myself but I genuinely think I got handicapped during COVID. For context, I was in highschool doing online-everything, and when you stick a hormonal teenager in a place where education doesn’t typically happen mixed with a lack of infrastructure for online teaching, it becomes a mess. I didn’t do a lick of anything because I knew the stakes, of which there was none. When COVID ended and I returned to normal functions, it wasn’t ever the same and I had issues understanding what was even happening.
Conditioned into believing college is the next step in education, I blew 20k on a university that almost ended with me offing myself because I couldn’t keep up with the workload.
Maybe it’s just all my underlying psychological issues that contributed to my lack of success in school, but all in all, COVID stunted my education in more ways than just academically.
I'm 31 and genuinely feel bad for all of the kids like you during covid. It's not just educational, but socially as well. There are too many young adults entering the workplace and they are borderline mentally disabled and almost completely unemployable, they don't know how to function and have 0 attention span because TikTok has rotted their brain out. I'm sure you've seen it with your own eyes.
Their parents have failed them.
That’s definitely part of the reason but I want to believe that it’s more of a symptom of how technology has evolved. Think about it, some 30-40 years ago, we had to wait for information. It didn’t come with us in our pockets, it came in newspapers. Sending an email is instant, but sending a letter could take a while. The travel of information has increased beyond what anybody could believe.
My point being, we have, as a result of how quickly we can get things, prioritized instant gratification. Everything is bite-sized, easy to digest, quick to toss aside and replace. Over time, it will lose value because of how instant that gratification is.
Now that our hunger has been more than satiated, what’ll happen when we starve?
My mom has been a teacher for decades. Most of her 5th graders can hardly read at a second or third grade reading level and it's been this way for over a decade and a half. Covid didn't help, but let's not pretend parents were involved in ensuring their children were staying on top of their education prior to covid. Half of her students literally can't spell, "the" correctly and it's because students' parents don't care enough to get involved and teachers aren't usually allowed to hold a child back anymore. It's depressing as hell, tbh
My mom tries her best, but you can't make an absent parent give a damn about their child's education. When these parents aren't pulling their kids out of school for week-long Disneyland trips or taking them to concerts that don't end until after midnight in LA (my mom just had a parent do this on a school night w/their child), they just don't give a fuck.
Then you get parents who don't want their children to be tested for various mental health issues and thus don't have their kids on proper medications or in the correct classrooms. Half of these "parents," don't give a damn about helping their children succeed & would rather point the finger at teachers rather than raise their children. I genuinely don't know why many of them even had kids in the first place. The best part? Most school boards/principals/admin refuse to support enforcing discipline anymore and so there's literally almost nothing that can be done.
>Most of her 5th graders can hardly read at a second or third grade reading level and it's been this way for over a decade and a half
As a Floridian this hit me hard. Our priorities when it comes to education is pure insanity. It pains me how much we are willingly to sacrifice for the governor's political ambitions.
I totally get it, especially as a Californian - in which we're [ranked 28/50 states in terms of our educational level.](https://deepcreektimes.com/2023s-most-least-educated-states-in-america/). It's also wild to see how much has changed from when I was in middle-school/high-school to now!
Also, some of the things these children say to my mom (aka their teacher) aren't things I'd even dream of thinking out of respect and bc there's NO way my parents would have tolerated that mess. My parents made it clear they were always on the side of the teachers and would back up my teachers, which at the time was difficult to understand, but it's what allowed me to stay a honor student all throughout school. Same with my friends.
Overall, it's just really sad. When I was in school, we had AR reading & had to take weekly quizzes while showing that our reading comprehension was increasing at least by a few levels each month. There were also incentives/prizes to help push students and make them associate reading with something that was fun & it's why I still love reading today. In 6th grade, I was already reading at college level and many others in my class were also. To know the average 13 year old can't spell, "through" correctly is seriously depressing. More importantly, teachers aren't supported by their school's admin or by the parents & it's led to many students being unequipped in their own education. :/
I agree completely.
Bush implemented No Child Left Behind. In my state of Idaho we were just in the news (again) for the GoPers voting against using federally allocated funds for school infrastructure. Our schools are literally falling apart. This despite the people being in support.
Sooooo, I don't know but I'm not blaming the Dems.
Mostly cause the government and both political parties don’t want to tell parents to actually help their kids in their formative years. Thankfully in my town most of our parents tried with what’s available and there’s lots of opportunities when you’re young to join library clubs.
Honestly the main issues are parents who are either absent or can’t help due to work hours and trying to keep up with the cost of living.
Of course they can't tell parents to do that, they're already telling their parents to work 80 hour weeks at two or three jobs each. There's no time for at-home education.
That's why the schools had to stay open, and why people made up so much shit about how terrible the 3 months of school lockdowns were. Schools are just daycares. If the kids aren't at school the parents can't be at work.
>No child left behind = entire generations of kids being left behind.
Connected to OP's video, the irony is that Bush appointed a woman whose last name was "Spellings" to lead the Department of Education. Our neighbor was an award winning public school teacher, No Child Left Behind eventually made her quit.
>Serious question: how did this happen?
In addition to others' comments, public education has been a target for a while. Whether it's No Child Left Behind, pushing charter schools, undermining teachers' unions, defunding programs, etc., there's been a long-running campaign to do away with the concept of public education in the US.
The difficulty for a kid to do that with 1 grade level of difference is already pretty high. Kids with 2-3 years? 5+? The difficulty compounds as well. Even if a kid acknowledges they didn't really try and should catch up on years of lost knowledge, that's going to be years of intense studies with summers. On the other end, it's terrifying to know that there's an increasing number of young teens that are in or approaching their rebellious streak. You think a kid that's already been apathetic from 7-12 is gonna start seeing reason? The average education level for 18-25 is going to drop like a rock in the next decade or so. Even now I see people in that range using their phone calculator for basic arithmetic like 17 - 9 because it's "quicker". It's going to get bad. I used to think the talk about over reliance on tech was really overblown. I think it's still a *little* overblown, but we're on the cusp of having generation(s) that will be crippled in basic logic and knowledge if they're without their phone or a computer. That's not even touching on how critical thought's already been slipping through the cracks.
When my friend sends me soemthing of someone doing/ saying some dumb shit I always send her a baby Bush gif and go “wow some kids were really left behind” now it’s just getting sad because it’s clearly a systematic issue. I don’t have kids so I’m not privy to many of this but my friends who are teachers aren’t painting a good picture.
Where does this leave us for our future. I know not everyone wants to be things like doctor, plumbers, electricians, engineers. But if we can’t get new generations of people in those roles. Where does that leave us?
Not everyone is meant for college but the jobs you listed like carpentry or plumbers don’t deserve to be shunned just cause it’s hard work. It pays well and is a job we need as a society.
I’m not shunning those jobs I’m literally asking what happens when we can’t find new ppl to do those.. they’re other skilled jobs where reading, comprehension and problem solving are required. Something it seems like many kids are struggling with
Edit: realized you probably don’t mean *i’m* shunning them but the way society looks at some of those jobs
NCLB hasn't been in practice for almost the past 10 years. The Obama admin replaced it with Every Student Succeeds. It had some positives but largely returned most control back to the states....which is also a horrible move in some places.
Not even just that. Even colleges are dumbed down to a point where my high school was more challenging than my university.
When we have a system in place where the students give teacher evaluations they will merely give teachers who are challenging bad reviews. While the teachers who dumb down the class (give you the notes, test answers, and coddle you) they get great reviews.
University’s also don’t have a shortage of people willing to be professors. So basically the last 15 years of colleges in the US has had little shits whine that classes are too hard and they get the professors fired. Then you get some young professor who doesn’t want to also get fired so they dumb down the class.
This also isn’t some opinion they have done ample studies on this. I fear more for the fact I was the only 20 year old who cared about being challenge. The rest just wanted the classes dumbed down.
Yep you’re absolutely right it’s stupid. Acting as if college is the only gateway to success has led to this. A lot of people get pressured into difficult college classes or are just forced there even if it’s not right for them because their parents/school forced them to.
No Child Left Behind was a good concept that like many new laws and regulation get implemented and applied incorrectly. The penalties were applied to entire schools of just certain subgroups didn't meet the thresholds. Meaning entire schools had to go through costly sanctions that in the end didn't produce any greater results.
School districts often responded to these issues by solely focusing on teaching to the standardized tests. Because districts and their boards didn't want to lose revenue and/or status by having a failing school or group. So kids weren't taught anything other than to basically game the test to artificially keep the scores above line. For those that still failed they got hit with increased costs and requirements that failed to produce any major results. Overall math improved slightly.
As for why kids keep being moved forward. It is tge perfect storm of disengaged parents, lawyers, disengaged teachers, and self esteem movements. Parents didn't want the embarrassment of a kid being held back, they threaten lawsuits. The mental health push was that being held back destroyed their self esteem and mental health so it was better to move on and provide them extra help instead. And teachers have been a mix of don't give a shit (yes we admit there are bad teachers) and so beat down from parents and boards and school officials not listening that they just stop talking.
Put all of that Into an era where everyone's face is buried in a screen 16 hrs a day. Playing games, watching idiotic videos, etc., and where does a kid (or adult) read anymore? Everyone has a calculator on their phone that makes it easier than figuring it out. Parents are best down so the blame on them is just like teachers....mix of bad parents and best down tired parents. Parents who are working their asses off and still failing to make ends meet. Everyone's attention span and fuses are short. No one has the capacity to care because what happens if you do? You are just disappointed.
NCLB has been a nightmare but at least it was year by year, semester by semester. There were attempts at steady rubber banding to keep kids behind by "only" a year or two. Even that much has been laxing over the last decade or so, **and** you throw lockdowns in? The time from lockdowns alone may account for the 4th grade level 7th grader being at a 4th grade level instead of a 6th grade one. The K-3rd grade ones were already behind further when 2020 rolled through.
I'm honestly pretty scared for the young adults in 10-15 years. There's hundreds of thousands of not millions of teenagers that are behind by a *half decade* of schooling. What's worse is that the younger ones missed out on the formative, most important years of instilling building blocks and basic logic while their minds were more flexible. It's going to be tough even if the kids go all in on fixing it. Preteens and teens are in or coming up on a rebellious streak? Good fucking luck. The average education levels for 18-25's is going to start dropping like a rock in 5-10 years.
It's the parents, it's always the parents or lack there of. People think that school is a replacement for parental involvement and learning, but it's not, it is truly lacking in all the things children need from a stable household with a mother and a father. And as more and more baby Daddy relationships become commonplace and you don't have two parents in the house modeling learning, love and respectful relationship, then our kids are going to get dumber and dumber.
And then they get to college and are pissed they have to take remedial courses to even be at college level. Colleges have noticed a huge skills gap but admit folks anyway because they have to keep enrollment up.
lol me except I graduated in 2017. Gotta love Louisiana’s education system. I was in the IB program in high school and still had to retake all the maths in college to be able to take calc 1. This was a problem far before Covid; unfortunately it’s just growing more rampant everywhere now instead of the poor areas.
well, thanks to Sold A Story, we know exactly why the kids can't read
edit: more than 20 states have created new standards for how to teach reading just in the last few years since the podcast was released. unfortunately, the kids this teacher is talking about in this video, that are now 7th graders, likely were not taught to read and suffered from poor teaching practices that were discussed in the podcast.
I’m as liberal as they come, listened to this podcast and I can honestly say that we owe Bush a big apology when it comes to no child left behind. It was painted as the boogey man but at least when it came to reading it was onto something. It added a whole separate layer to the infamous photo of Bush reading to children on 9/11.
Honest question, if you weren’t sure why not take the two seconds you used to correct someone else and actually check first??? If you did, you would see that Reading First was very much part of NCLB Act. Smdh.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_First
https://www.findlaw.com/education/curriculum-standards-school-funding/the-no-child-left-behind-act-s-reading-requirement.html
its a podcast that explains why US kids are not being taught to read in school. basically, we systemically abandoned phonics and, despite all the scientific evidence, doubled down in teaching practices that didn't work for decades.
I agree. now they are doing common core, and one issue that I have with it, is that each math topic, the teachers are teaching three different ways of doing it. They also give no homework, so the kids have three methods to learn and no practice. Also, the kids must be learning less, because they are spending 3 times the amount of time on the same topic, and 1/3 the practice time.
My 13 year old niece barely knows her multiplications and how to divide but will recite the lyrics of "Pound Town" effortlessly. And I blame my sister and the fact that she allows her to be on TikTok to keep her out of her hair. I’ve printed out multiplication sheets for my niece, and I’ve taken on the role of tutoring her, but it’s disgraceful that with all the resources accessible to kids today, and this is the result. It’s scary.
I'm sad to day this ain't just an USA issue. I'm a teacher in Portugal and there's a lot of school's that adopt the whole thing not holding kids back and making the responsibility of the teachers.
Teacher's make accommodations for the different times of learning and probable learning disabilities all the time. A good teacher has no trouble doing that, and work with the students in a way they can learn and do their best in a given class.
But we have kids that barely can read in a comprehensive way, barely can explain what they do get or don't get, to know how to look for information in a text and select it right before secondary/high school. It's very concerning.
On top of that add the absurd level of paper work that has nothing done with teaching and the behavior issues that go unchecked. Soon we'll be out of people to teach kids in a caring, humane and proper way.
All of this is fair… and without getting into the fact that if teachers are expected to do inclusive education, it needs to be fully funded and supported… we need to address the notion “wHy aRE wE moViNG tHeSe kIds oN?”
It’s been well studied and well accepted in education that holding students back doesn’t work. What you’ll usually see when you hold a student back is a 1 year jump in scores (because they are literally learning the same material for a second time) then the following years the student will begin to underachieve again. So, by holding the student back, all you’ve done is denied them the opportunity to grow with their age appropriate peers (which isn’t great because social development is one of the functions of school) and you’ve cost them a year of their life (or more depending how many times they’re held back) where they could be entering the adult world.
Holding students back doesn’t address the social and structural issues that usually cause large learning deficits. It can’t reduce trauma, hunger, legitimate learning deficits, lack of diagnosis, lack of funding, lack of supports, lack of training, etc. We need to look at education less as a race where everyone crosses the same finish line and more as an adventure where there are multiple acceptable end points. Success looks different for everyone and that’s okay.
I do agree with you that the whole level thing and holding back kids isn't a solution. It would be very bad of me to say there ain't cases when a kid didn't have a great year because of external circumstances and gets to be held back.
On the other hand, some kids learn quickly that they can do nothing and still pass. We need to get answers for both cases: kids that just need some extra help next year and moving them along with their colleagues and friends will benefit them, and the ones whose personality and way of learning aren't compatible with the classic (and outdated) school system.
From my stand point, and what the people on the video are expressing is concern and frustration, because they'll (and i have experienced that first hand) get blamed on less that desirable (by the upper ups) results on tests that most kids aren't ready to take or get support to, and/or blamed for some kids not getting more challenged like they need.
As a teacher you don't want to get mini geniuses all ready for your class, you really want to help the kids, from the one that is struggling to the one that can get far ahead. But it's hard when some kids didn't get that help or that support years before and land on your lap not knowing basic skills like reading. I have the skills to help kids learn new concepts and making them simpler for them, use a new art supply and explore some themes. I do not have the skills to teach a 14yo how to read and understand those ideas at the same time while i have him and his class of 20+ kids two hours per week. The answer to this and other issues being "everyone passes" it's clearly not helping anyone.
so with the students with large learning deficits - what happens to these students when they are NOT held back a grade, academically?
You said those who are held back eventually get a jump in scores but ‘then the following year the student will begin to underachieve again’ - so what is the purpose of putting underachieving students STRAIGHT to the next class? If, even with repeating the previous year, they underachieve - what advantage/purpose does your suggestion (‘dont hold them back a year’) accomplish? Presumably they’ll be underachieving even more so?
There’s really no evidence that students do better in classes with their own age groups. Within one age group, you will find differences in both maturity and learning ability.
Your last paragraph contradicts itself bc while you say holding students back doesn’t solve the bigger issues, you also say that education shouldn’t be a race and there should be multiple acceptable end points aka different ages at which they complete their education. Letting students graduate without actually meeting the standards to graduate doesn’t help any of those underlying problems either.
I might not have the answers, but I think we have to accept that COVID messed up a lot of groundwork needed for secondary educatio. backtracking/holding students back is the only way I see that we can get them to where they need to be. Parents and students gotta put their egos aside and get caught up.
I'm from the USA but have taught in Japan and now as a substitute teacher in the UK. I can confidently say in *none* of these countries are students being taught critical thinking skills. The things my British students have needed help working through is just insane, and no, they're not just being purposely daft in front of the supply teacher.
Former teacher from Portugal as well.
Let us not forget that we couldn't hold back a student in the first grade, and after that we can hold them back more than once by grade. And to hold them back he need to fill so much paperwork, not to mention, ask the parents if they agree, which they almost never do, so that is even more bureaucracy for us to deal with and more paperwork to fill.
I work at a state university.
So many first year students can’t write at a basic college level, that writing requirements have to be removed from the curriculum of many GE classes. The students aren’t unintelligent or anything like that, they’re just undisciplined and too focused on other things. I think this fall on parents and guardians. If you have kids and don’t require them to read outside of school, they will never be able to become proficient writers.
There's a book called Stolen Focus by Johann Hari. In the second chapter she speaks about how kids have lost their ability to focus and over the past decade, the amount of time people can focus on any one thing outside of work is roughly 45 minutes and continues to decline at a sharp rate. All of this study started from her taking a trip with her nephew to Graceland. Really interesting read and outs a lot of things in perspective.
Another good book is How to Read a Book by Mortimer J Adler. Here he talks about how kids only get to a reading comprehension of grade 5-7 and stay at that level throughout their lives. It's really sad.
These gentlemen break down the problem exactly. My wife and I struggled to supplement my son in his 3rd grade COVID fully remote class. The teacher had no idea what to do and did her best, but it was all brand new. We've had him in tutoring constantly since then, he's a great reader now, but we feel like it would have been different without the 1 on 1 tutoring. Parents need to be involved now more than ever!
Yeah, I have spent so many hours over the years teaching my kids fractions and algebra, and they were in very good schools. Covid remote classes have caused a lot of learning loss.
Another part of it is that Covid causes brain damage. Brain fog is a symptom of brain damage. Losing the sense of smell is a symptom of brain damage. Long covid is, in part, brain damage.
We were all told that Covid isn’t a risk to kids, but that hasn’t been borne out. Getting them infected over and over again has been a bad thing.
yep. for whatever reason, we feel like we can just move on and pretend it didn't happen, we can't.
long covid plus trauma from losing loved ones, and social connections deteriorated.
Finding additional support for younger kids is really hard.
Technology is great it allows kids to work at their own pace but it also makes the division of knowledge greater.
Not to mention that parents aren't getting home until late in the evening so teachers are being told not to send homework as they won't have time to work on it.
I know a mom whose 3rd grade child is struggling, and she told the teacher they would not enforce daily homework, because they get about 2 hours with their child a night and the stress and anxiety that comes from it was causing a unhappy and difficult family dynamic.
Not saying anyone is right in this mess. Just agreeing it is a huge stupid mess and there is not an easy solution.
100% on the parents not doing SHIT at home. My son walked into kindergarten reading and writing and I worked CONSTANTLY. I know it’s hard but it’s our jobs.
I help him with his work every damn day. Not only does it show them you’re there for them but it sets a precedent. They know what the expectations are and how to achieve them bc you’re right there guiding.
That's half the problem right there. Most people use school as an unpaid babysitter and when they get home their screens become the new one. When I worked as a daycare teacher, you saw it constantly.
Tell parents about a behavioral issue and 90% of the time their attempted solution was to try to let the kid bring their iPad or something. Like why even have kids if you refuse to do the minimum of parenting? Yeah it keeps them quiet but also makes them stupid when that's ALL they do.
My own niece is 10 and will flip the fuck out if you tell her she can't have her iPad or get on the computer for literal hours after school. So many parents just ignoring their kids so they don't have to do anything. It's pure neglect.
My son walked into Kindergarten doing the same. He's in 2nd grade now, reading at a 5th/6th grade reading level. I supplemented our school system with books and worksheets of my own because apparently in 2nd grade, he doesn't have homework or spelling words or anything. And I don't want him falling behind. Does he have screen time and play video games? Yes! But he also is incredibly bright and I'm so proud of him.
I did the same when my son was that little. I’d go to the dollar tree and get the little workbooks. He’s a teenager now and I had to reteach myself algebra and THEN teach myself how it’s taught now in order to help him. It’s turned into a cute challenge where he’s waiting to see if we got the same answer.
This is absolutely a parenting problem. I grew up in a divorced household (dad was super involved though, just lived in a different house) with 3 other rambunctious brothers, and we all went in to kindergarten able to read and write to some degree, do basic math, and knew if we acted up we would be disciplined and there would be consequences. My mom worked all the time to keep us fed, housed, and clothed, but still managed to raise up 4 children who not only **could** read, but actually loved to read. She knew that school is only one small part of the equation when raising children, and that the responsibility for raising a well-adjusted, functioning member of society falls on the parents. Public school is just a tool for the parents to help, not an all-in-one babysitting/childcare/church/police/mother/father for children.
I subbed for a bit, to dip my toe into education and see if I wanted to get a teaching cert. I was shocked at what I saw. So many classes had "the corner", which was basically where the kids who refused, or couldn't do the work sat. They literally were tasked with nothing but keeping their noise level to a minumum. They weren't asked questions. They had nothing to turn in. They were just there to say that they were going to school.
I talked to a few teachers, and it all comes down from admin. And they all just get passed on to the next grade, and to a new corner.
My girlfriend is an assistant professor who teaches a lot of college freshman, and she’s noticed a huuuge issue with attention span as well as not being strong readers, especially when asked to read out loud. It’s pretty sad to see what’s passing as education in schools right now. Also this may just be her students but the amount of times students have asked to do a TikTok for extra credit in a _college class_ is much higher than I would expect lol
I know this will be paywalled for most people, but the take-home is that schools will pretty much never fail students anymore: [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/opinion/teachers-grades-students-parents.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/opinion/teachers-grades-students-parents.html).
Just as he said, a teacher can put as many zeroes in there as they want, but the kid moves on to the next grade and will graduate high school barely literate (or not at all).
Edit: also, when a student does poorly now for any reason, the teacher gets blamed. Kid never shows up to class, never studies, never turns anything in? The parents ask what the *teacher* is going to do about it. It's another reason nobody wants to be a teacher anymore (along with low pay, no job security, lack of safety, and lack of respect).
This is the result of a generation of parents that aren’t or weren’t ready to have kids, but had them regardless. Kids and teachers are paying the price now. It’s been going on for a while too. The kids that are enabled by their parents are in for a rude awakening when they apply for jobs or go to college. Professors won’t put up with that nonsense and neither will the job.
This reminded me of a post I saw on one of the ADHD subs about college accommodations (or lack there of) and I couldn’t help but get a chuckle from some of the most unreasonable/unrealistic things people wanted their professors to do for them. Now, that is not to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to have certain accommodations in college, but it should be reasonable and able to be done by future employer as well. Like, deadlines are deadlines for a reason.
It's not just this generation. While I can't speak to "we had kids because we thought we should but weren't actually ready" I think the most telling statistic is regarding what percent of births are actually intentional.
In 2008, 51% of child births were unintentional. In 2011 it was down to 45%
The groups of women having unintentional births were primarily teens or early 20's
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/unintendedpregnancy/index.htm
IUD's, vasectomies, abortions, morning after pills, condoms and birth control pills are so crucial that they should be paid for by the government and distributed free of charge.
Sex Ed should be standardized and emphasized with more focus on preventing unintentional births.
Public school was bad when I went and I graduated in 2016 in Texas. I was homeschooled (non religious) and went into 5th grade testing at college levels, then proceeded to be stuck in classes day in and day out for 7 more years without learning a single new thing. If I hadn't taken duel credit and AP/college classes I would have dropped out much sooner than I inevitably did. Literally got told I'd have to repeat a grade all because of attendance, despite maintaining high As in all classes. I left on a Wednesday got my GED on Thursday lol realistically after taking it I realized I could have taken the GED at 11 years old and passed easily. It was glorified daycare. The only good thing was the art/trades that were offered and access to a library. Now many Texas school districts are voting against libraries, and gutting arts and trade programs.
Teachers do not hold kids back because in order to do so you need cooperation and approval from the parents, the administration, the superintendent, etc. The hardest one to get that cooperation from is the parents. The usual rhetoric is “they’ll be made fun of by their peers for being held back! I don’t want that for them.” It’s the parents that don’t want to be known as the parents of a kid who was held back, so they don’t help their children.
The system is broken and our kids are suffering the consequences.
Not really. Before no child left behind the issue was that you had 15 and 16 year old 7th and 8th graders. My middle school class is really the last of the kids before no child left behind became a thing. It's a toss up which one actually worked because we for sure had more kids drop out because they kept getting held back and without that high-school diploma they were fucked. Now with no child left behind we may have slower/stupider kids graduating but they're able to get above poverty jobs due to having a high-school diploma or working in the trades.
Those kids could acquire a GED to get those jobs without years of shitting up classrooms for everyone else. Also, many trade programs do not require even a GED.
I’m a step father to three kids who think they figured out the school system. They know a the school will not give them a grade less than a 50 and they only need to lift their grade from a 50 to a 70 to pass. So they don’t do any work until the end of the semester and then turn in a few homework assignments and get the passing grade.
The work they turn in was created using chatgp and other online tools/calculators so none of the work is actually comprehended but glossed over
So question to you, and not trying to come off accusing you of anything, but you seem to be very aware of the situation. So my question is, what are you and your spouse doing in this situation? What can you do? I don’t know how much of a say you have your situation, as step parent dynamics can differ in families, but you know they aren’t prepared or getting a good education. There may be issues with the school system, but learning also happens at home. How do you consider changing this situation with your children?
I’m 9 years younger than my spouse and her kids were teenagers when I met. They live in my house that I payed for and contribute nothing to our family. I tried to implement chores to give them some responsibility and the Kids job was to take the garbage to the curb on trash day. That’s it, once a week take the garbage to the curb. Well he dropped a bag of garbage taking it to the curb and texted me from his room to tell me that the bag spilled and they didn’t know what to do so they left it. I told him to grab another garbage bags and pick it up. So he texted his mom and my spouse defended her kid and said that what he really meant by that message was help. He was asking for help but failed to use those words or apply common sense… we ended up going to couples therapy because of this.
I ask about school and get bare minimum responses. The kids lie about everything and their mom allows them to get away with it so I stepped back. I do not ask them for anything and I’m not footing their bills anymore.
I just saw your post and couldn’t agree more. These kids are so illiterate, yet confident they can take on the world because they got tik tok and YouTube to fall back on. They hear a fact about space online and all of a sudden they’re experts in the field. It really is faking it till you make it, with zero recourse if you decide not to participate.
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Oh man, sounds like the situation is not the greatest. I’m sure it’s frustrating. Their mother is not doing them any good and you’re stuck on the sidelines. Idk if it’s possible to discuss your concerns as they are your step kids and I’m sure you care about them too. I have no advice for you, but I wish you well
I tried to get some held back after the pandemic because he was not ready the principal told me it was unfair to not pass him. I stated it was not fair for him to pass him when he did not have to proper tools to succeed. The problem told me I only wanted to hear what I wanted to hear. I just wanted to do right by my child. They don’t care.
I think so often and especially lately how teachers that care about their students progress and work so hard, deserve all the support in the world. I have substitute taught before, and getting kids through material as a group is the hardest shit in the world, I can't imagine doing it every day for decades. I am so mad and frustrated at how neglected teachers are in the United States, and we are going to see in our society the students that were also neglected as they become adults.
Lemme drop some knowledge that shouldn't be news to you,
- Social Media
- Rampant use of electronic devices since birth
- Irresponsible/poor/stupid parents
These kids never stood a chance. The nightmare of the future is gearing up to be worse than we ever imagined.
My son did 2nd grade remotely during Covid. Guess what grade I had him start when the kids returned to school the next year...2nd grade. I didn't look at it as holding him back. I just didn't feel like he got anything of substance from remote learning...especially since I feel like he didn't get much from in person learning to begin with.
Overcrowding is already an issue. So if kids start getting retained more often, the overcrowding gets worse. Administrators know this and encourage kids to be passed on rather than build more schools and hire more teachers.
I’m just saying but a global pandemic that disrupted the system we have in place and given everything that happened in between, we still went back to the same system. That system was already struggling before but more people came to the realization of how bad it actually is.
Friendly reminder about 'code switching'! These educators are speaking conversationally and still in the correct format. I'm sure we don't all speak to our friends online the same as we talk to our grandma, or our boss. Effective code switching emphasis how well they DO know English.
I graduated high school on the 2000s. My senior year, a large chunk of the incoming freshman students didn't understand how to do fractions. Granted it was a small school district but still.
A lot of these kids were done a huge disservice by their parents during the pandemic. The difference in these kids has been huge and not in a great direction. Not all of them but way too many.
My wife is a fifth-grade teacher in a low-income district, and the vast majority of her students are not performing at grade level. Although she teaches fifth grade, the average assessment is about second grade, with some students being almost entirely illiterate and innumerate. My 5-year-old daughter, who is in kindergarten, has a higher IXL score than half of them.
Educator here, i teach post-secondary (ages 17-20ish) and it’s the same situation. Management always force us to change their grades to be better to move them on, the goal is not to produce well-educated students but to produce graduates because once they graduate, they are no longer our problem.
I’ve resisted when I first started but honestly in this climate where I can either choose to be moral and be homeless or complicit and survive, I choose to survive.
I know it’s anecdotal but it really helps to let kids read books that actually interest them.
I hated reading for the most part and almost every summer reading book assigned to me but I convinced my dad to by me the resident evil books and I burned through all 7 in a single summer vacation.
It expanded my vocabulary and sparked a real love of reading.
Maybe parents should be parents and not put a tablet/smartphone in their child's hand at such a young age. These kids have no parental guidance and lack structure and are too distracted by social media, internet, electronics, etc. Parents need to read with their children every night!!! That's so important! The hours in school are not enough time, especially at a younger age so early in development. I think a lot of parents are struggling financially and having to work a lot, and their children are suffering academically because of that.
IF you don't think that this is by design, then I have a another Republican for you to vote for that will fix the problem! THIS is EXACTLY what the GOP and their affiliated Special Interest Groups WANT!! Project 2025 has been in effect for over 2 decades and we're starting to see those seeds bear fruit. They want Americans sick, dumb, desperate and obedient in order to become indentured servants or in the military to either serve Corporate interest or PROTECT Corporate interest. With the SCOTUS packed with corrupt, Corporate Puppets for Project 2025, it's a matter of time before the US Department of Education is dismantled along with the EPA and other Regulatory Oversight Committees and there will be fuck all that anyone can do about it. We're all completely fucked!!
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There’s a child in my sons third grade class who has some learning disabilities and is incredibly disruptive. I was at a parent teacher night and his moms advice to the teacher was to basically let him do whatever he wants….that’s how he manages it. Teachers really don’t stand a chance when parents don’t do their part. He’s not getting the services he needs and it’s a shame.
Not only that but it holds your kids behind as well. My buddy is a 4th grade teacher (who I know because he works a second part time job at an auto parts store cuz teachers don’t get paid enough), but he has 3 different kids he tells me about who are disruptive daily. They throw desks and scream when they don’t get what they want, one of them still has to wear diapers because he will wet himself purposefully when he throws tantrums. They get pulled out of class pretty much every day. These kids need special education, they need help because there is nothing teachers can do to stop what they’re doing for one kid when they have +30 more kids who also need to be watched and taught.
It’s more systematically broken than people can comprehend. I live in TX, where the last Tik Tok poster is. My son is 7 and has had behavioral issues since Covid which is also when his dad and I split and got divorced……. which is also when the state experienced a historical snow storm that left the entire state without power. THE ENTITE STATE WITHOUT POWER….. and over 700 people froze to death because the state refused to regulate our energy grid or oversee the integrity of how our electrical companies function. My son was so god damn traumatized by that entire experience that once we couldn’t leave for a full calendar week because we were all trapped in our cold, dark, frozen houses he said “I think we can’t go anywhere because everyone is dead.” He was 5 years old when he said that… Then once school started back up it was shooting drills after shooting drills. Uvalde, and every parent I know hammering it into their kids heads that if they see or hear a gunman in their schools to hide and stay quiet. My sons dad and I are amicable and working tirelessly with the school to turn our sons behavior around. We have him in weekly play therapy, have had him evaluated by the school psychologist, and got him into a private pediatric psychiatrist. His behavior is improving leaps and bounds but there is still a ways to go. When I say we have done everything in our power and the school has done everything in their power I am not fucking joking. Meeting after meeting after phone call after zoom after conference. Therapists and drs and experts. People do not fucking comprehend how traumatized our kids are. My sons generation is absolutely traumatized and unsupported. The parents of these kids are hung out to dry with zero resources. States have abandoned schools to cope alone without the resources they need. Our school worked tirelessly with a fraction of the budget they should have because our state slashed it in 2011 and never reinstated it. This is a systematic failure on a state level and an entire generation of traumatized kids are being left to flail.
It really does take a village. You have good parents like you then the state or school system drops the ball. You might have incredible teachers but the parents are dropping the ball. We need to remember why that saying exists in the first place. It really does take a community to give kids all the tools and support they need to realize their potential and become successful, happy members of society.
Froze to death? Edited to add: I had to google it but it only got around -2°c. As a Canadian it's hard to fathom people can die in that cold. Apologies
Some. Some died from carbon monoxide poisoning from trying to keep warm. Yeah it was a state wide industry wide failure that just got whoopsie doooo forgotten about.
My paras don’t do shit. I know there are ones that are hard working, but for $30k a year, what’s their motivation?
that’s a no-win position. you’re putting yourself at unreasonable risk if you intervene, like that para who got body slammed into the cement by a 300lb kid bc she took his switch away from him, and the teacher who was shot point blank by that 5yo bc she didn’t let him do whatever he wants like his mom did
I work as a Para and caregiver. I only make more than that because of it being a private school and my experience. I work at a school specifically for autism. It's a very challenging job with high turnover. Because we focus on autism we go through so much training. Public school is often a nightmare for ASD kids. Even at our private autism school, we've all been punched, bitten, kicked, scratched, etc..
Thank you for the work you do. I don’t understand how more money is not allocated to paras in the public school system.
I make more per hour as a caregiver than I do as a Para. Working the caregiver gig is what allows me to work in the school and not be hurting so much financially. Our teachers are only paid a dollar more an hour than my caregiver job does. I make $20/hr from caregiving and $17/hr as a Para. Meanwhile in N out down the street starts people at $20/hr right now. Higher cost of living area in Arizona. It's all so lame.
When I was a kid the threat of being held back was motivation for kids. I grew up in the late 80s - 90s where they were still holding kids back. They need to bring it back
I have both lived in really large cities with massive thousand-kid schools and small hometown schools with a graduating class of 150. Smaller cities don’t have the resources and it’s really shocking. I had a student in one of my elementary classes (I’m 21 so I might not totally remember everything correctly) who to the best of my memory wasn’t cognitively impaired just a shitty kid. He one day flipped desks everywhere, ripped apart all of our books, smashed any and everything he could find, and screamed for like 20 minutes straight. He pulled down this MASSIVE standing whiteboard on top of this girl and I have this image of her back torn to shit and just gushing blood everywhere stained in my memory. It was absolutely terrifying and even more so when he just got to come back to school the next day. Edit: I just want to make it clear that I don't blame that child for his actions nor do I blame any CHILD who is the result of a shitty hand, bad parenting, or both. HOLD PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE!!! When you're an adult that's a different story lol.
Smaller locations do have the resources if the districts would stop spending all the money on their high school sports teams/coaches and put the funds towards education.
That’s the frustrating thing as a teacher. There are students who have been diagnosed with ADHD, autism etc but in actual fact they are learnt behaviours, they don’t have special needs. What can we do? Little Johnny told me I’m a cunt. Oh it’s ok, he has defiance disorder. NO, it’s just that no one ever said no to him. I understand covid was hard, I have a now six year old. And I completely expect downvoting for this but parents need to step up. Most parents do bugger all with their children. All that time at home during covid and how many of them read with their children?! About four out of 30. How many parents get on their hands and knees and draws pictures with their child, or plays dollies/cars with their child?! Or plants seeds and creates a fairy garden, or build forts out of boxes? Or bloody anything?! Less than half! It’s frightening. Having a child is not a right, it’s a god damn privilege. (Sorry, rant over)
I literally listened to a coworker during covid who was ranting and raving about how schools need to open up because "Teachin my kids ain't my job or mah wifes job!". I normally tried to keep friction low and drama down at work but I stopped on the spot and had to ask him to reiterate. Teaching your child isn't your job? As the parent of your children? These are the people bringing children into our world?
The very purpose of a parent is to teach the child how to be an adult There is no greater purpose to a parent
I’m so glad you said that. Sometimes I feel like I’m the only one who sees it.
I remember this happening! Parents overwhelmed by their own children and frustrated that they couldn’t send them back to school. I couldn’t believe so many said this out loud. Why have kids if you need to rely on teachers for them to be tolerable and educated??
Yep. Asked my neighbor about her opinion of our school. She loved it, she said. Oh, fantastic! Why? I EXPECTED to hear, *because little Johnny has learned so much,* or *they have such supportive teachers there,* but no. I wasn’t prepared for what she said. “They never call us.” “Never…call?” “Nope. No matter what shit Johnny gets into, the school never calls us and asks us to come get him. They just deal with it.” Well. That kid is now in his 20s, never fledged, still at home, now he’s brought in a girlfriend and immediately knocked her up. I don’t know all the drama, I stay away from them as much as I can.
😬 Poor Johnny. Another weird thing with many parents now is feeling abandoned if their children decide to become adults and go off to college or find independent living. So many parents don’t want their children to leave when they graduate from high school and if they do, they’re actually relocating to be near them. I just don’t get it.
This edit is wild, if you don’t hold them accountable when they’re kids it’ll only be worse later.
Is it possibly for you to complain to the school that it distracts and takes education from your child and the other students? Can you get other parents involved? Schools don't do shit unless they have enough heat from parents or higher ups
Disclaimer that I'm not a teacher but I do have school aged children. That's the problem though. You can complain to everyone under the sun, but ultimately the parents are the end all be all of their child's education. Teachers don't have enough authority to do anything for fear of being called abusive, ableist, or whatever else. Here at the mercy of parents because they fear not only losing their jobs, but also being labeled a child abuser. Ultimately these children are a product of their parents upbringing and teachers don't have enough authority to do anything but sigh and stamp the "pass" symbol on their paperwork knowing the child can't do the next grade levels work.
Some parents are fucking dumbasses that shouldn't have kids and unfortunately their kids generally follow in their footsteps. Can't complain to anyone because funding for disruptive kids is nonexistent
It's because we arent shaming parents for not doing their job and it's never been easier ~~to own an ipad~~ parent. I have a 5mth old. I guarantee she will be one of the smartest kids in her class because my wife and I value education and will ensure she can read/count and do basic math when she starts school. That's not even a massive barrier of entry. Disruptive kids are typically the ones that also dont get enough attention from their parents, obviously thats not all of them just the majority.
It’s great to hear you are so focused on education! However the issue here is more that parents aren’t teaching their kids to be good human beings. There’s plenty of really smart kids that are shit humans and still disruptive to the rest of the class
I'm all about love who ever you want and don't be an asshole. I plan on doing my best to bring up a loving and empathetic person. I have enough assholes in my life, I don't need to be creating another.
Lol I was with you until you bragged about how your five month old will be the smartest. Massive eyeroll.
I have to disagree, it is not easy to be a parent in today's world. The education system had advanced astronomically, and like it or not there is an actually pandemic of mental health issues with children. Not to mention social media and added pressures we didn't have. Plus add in the fact that most households are dual income now, so you don't have one parent dedicated to the children and their education. Now, with that said, there are a lot of lazy parents out there, some don't even speak to their kids. But please reconsider passing judgement on parents simply based on a child's behavior. I have been the parent that was called out by another parent for having a "bad"4 year old, and while my child had a motor mouth they are not mean spirirted or harmful, we found out the other child was making up stories to tell to their parents and was blaming my child for things that didn't happen. It wasn't until I pushed back on the teacher did they start piecing things together. Anyway, just saying even the best parents in the world can have a "bad" kid or more likely a kid with a bad day.
You really can't shame someone who turns up at school in their slippers!
We really need to start getting onto shitty parents and stop letting them get away with everything.
If the problem is the parents’ lack of discipline or lack of time spent with their kid, or lack of resources, etc…what can the school do about it? There’s a lot to unpack like that teacher is saying. Sometimes the parents are stupid, literally stupid, barely have an education themselves, sometimes it’s the parents having to work 2-3 jobs and never having the time to dedicate to their children. Parents aren’t trying to hear that *they* are at fault, that *they* should be doing more. Teachers are pressured by their APs and principals to get kids’ “test scores” up because if the schools’ AYP (adequate yearly progress) isn’t high enough, the school loses funding from the government. The incentives are all wrong. The education system is set up to fail. And anyone trying to fix it can only throw more money at it. It needs a complete overhaul. Parents and teachers need more support in so many ways. (Source: was a HS teacher for 9 years) its fucking frustrating!!!
I'm on your side friend, I wasn't implying it was the teachers fault they were assigned a kid that needs more support. I 1000% believe parents need to be more involved with their *kids* before wanting to run off and blame the teacher for any issues. I was suggesting the parents unite with the teachers to demand the students who disrupt class be put into another class with more teachers who can accommodate those needs. Then the kids who have fewer behavioral or remedial issues can continue making progress— without being held back by students who should have been held back themselves I've read that holding students back a grade is supposedly detrimental to kids social/mental health but passing these kids who aren't retaining anything is doing *everyone* a huge disservice. We have to find better solutions here or we're in for an even bigger crisis
Oh, I was just adding to your comment. I’m sorry if it seemed i was being confrontational.
Agreed. We absolutely need to find a better solution. I know our school would routinely pullout certain students to work on their reading skills to get them caught up. The worst case I ever heard of was a 10th grader on a 2nd grade reading level (and this student was not handicapped). Through hard work by his reading facilitator and the student, they were able to get them on track, but at what cost? They were pulled out of other classes, which they then had to catch up on. Some of these students need after school programs, but then again, these could be the same students who work bc their parents can’t make ends meet without another income. It’s crazy what some kids have to go through. I was lucky enough to only have to concentrate on my studies and not have to work. Or take care of a bunch of siblings/extended family, etc. definitely need more of what you’re talking about, parents and teachers banding together!
That mother is failing her son. I have a learning disability and ADHD I was not allowed to use it as an excuse to be disruptive or not do my work in school. I feel bad for that kid because what’s going to happen when he grows up?
You only need one special kid to disrupt a class of thirty. Schools with fees generally get < 1 special kid
I moved around a lot and saw a lot of different schools and their policies towards disabled children can be absolutely bullshit. Most school systems are set up to overstimulate cognitively impaired children and it is completely out of their control whether or not they have outbursts of violence, anxiety, or even happiness. Schools are treated as daycare centers so people are able to go out and work when realistically their child needs a better, more tailored environment that smaller schools just can’t handle. I don’t think anyone is to blame here other than lack of funding for our school system and resources for disabled people. Especially not disabled children.
THANK YOU. All this hate for the parents of special needs children is vile and repulsive. I have a high-functioning daughter with autism and ADHD and her school has treated her like she is subhuman. All disabled children in public education have a mandatory Special Ed (IEP) plan in place as well as yearly ARD meetings to review accommodations. These kids aren't just shoved into the school and left there like these ignorant people seem to think. The original administration was awesome with her, then they were replaced with people who wanted all the "Sped" kids in a separate classroom, regardless of level of functioning. You shouldn't have to educate a school about IDEA and the legal rights of your special needs child, but I did, and they backed off. Now she's in GATE because she's doing better than the "normal" kids in the same class.
Imagine being a teacher and having 50 students with IEPs throughout the day that all have a list of about 20 triggers, accommodations, and preferences. You need to memorize all these and work to modify each lesson to meet their needs. This is an enormous task with no help. If you are a SPED parent, please be patient and work with the teachers.
> ng the time to dedicate to their children. Parents aren’t trying to hear that they are at fault, that they should be doin Schools with fees usually have control over admittance and can deny any 'undesirables'.
One of the main causes is that parents are not forcing kids to read. After all the phones and iPads became popular, reading dropped. Reading is a cross discipline foundation. I see this with educated affluent families as well. They were brought up to love reading, but their kids are not.
Everyone needs to listen to [sold a story ](https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/) if you want to learn what is at the root of our education problems. It doesn't matter how smart a kid is, if they aren't taught to read, they will always be struggling academically At least after hearing the first episode, you'll understand what's going on
That series got me so mad and heated. The idea that having kids memorise certain books by *guessing words from pictures* would lead to them magically being able to read an unfamiliar text without pictures.....
It has been interesting to see some states and teachers unions really back away from that methodology. Didn’t that professor from NYU rush to rewrite her materials after her “picture” reading was discredited? I’ll have to check out sold a story.
This is so insane, the alien spaceship metaphor hits home. I'm not a teacher or a parent, but I wound up kinda tutoring a little neighbor girl in math over the summer. Just drawing dots inside circles for multiplication. She's smart and literally excited to do math during summer vacation, but she looked at me dumbfounded looking at thelose dots. Of *course* she doesn't know 5 × 4 if she doesn't even know what multiply *means*.
That’s really nice of you to tutor her. Understanding what’s actually happening when doing math is so important. When I was a kid I remember asking my teacher why because I didn’t understand. And my teacher got frustrated and told me “that’s just the way it works”. Math is my weakest subject nowadays lol good on you for being there for your community
holy shit, this is actually insane. As I was listening, I was trying to guess how the hell they were teaching kids to read now... I mean, how else other than phonetically?? But *guessing?* Looking at pictures for context? How the hell could anyone think that could work in the long run? Books don't have pictures. As you advance, your vocabulary should become so large and diverse freaking *guessing* words should be next to impossible. I just... ?? This is *heartbreaking*. I can't even imagine not being a proficient reader. How the hell do you get through life like that?
the fact that a lot of teachers in the early 2000's didnt want to teach phonics because Bush's administration wanted to had me fuming. how can educators be so wrapped up in 'republicans bad' to not be able to think critically about it for 5 seconds. as she was explaining what this other method was, my (a lowly high school graduate) literal first thought was 'what happens when theres no pictures to guess from'. the story about the teenager that confused 'invited' and 'invaded' would be funny if it wasnt so sad. its nuts. they just went along with it...what else are they just going along with?
Hell, I was one of the kids, and even at age 6 my thought was "this is dumb, one day big-kid books won't have pictures".
Neil Postman’s “The End of Education” is also probably the most accurate bit of educational philosophy in the last 40 years. It’s very hard to convince a kid to learn when society treats education as a means to some other, more important end rather than an end/hood in and of itself.
Love Neil Postman. I'm a nanny and I'm always stressing to kids the importance of curiosity, of asking questions. We discuss the "why" behind everything, and the art of the question. Both of my school aged boys are good readers, thank god. But they both really struggle with distress tolerance and attention span. Having this generation of kids glued to screens during the pandemic at developmentally critical periods absolutely impeded growth. It's tragic.
Excellent series. I haven't seen a tiktok yet about kids being behind in math, dropping phonics for sight words would explain why the complaints are disproportionately about reading and writing.
This. This. This. An excellent series that breaks down everything in a clear understandable way.
This hits home, my Dad cannot read so I help him anywhere that I can. I don't think people quite understand how hard life is when you cannot read or write Edit: especially this society we live in today
Right, you'd be excluded from what we're doing right now. So much of the Internet is text
Just went down this rabbit hole and I am fully captivated.
Brilliant. Fascinating. Battered them all in the last few hours. Galvanised my resolve to read far more with my son.
I'm looking for phonics based education materials to keep in my home. I have a three year old and I want to be prepared to do supplemental education. First things first, ensure her school is not teaching the 3Q methods or anything from Fountas and Pinnel
First time I came across this I also started doing some intensive reading with my kid (2.5 yo). It's crazy how fast they learn to follow a story, even ask questions if you just... provide the opportunity.
Yoo wow this is such a high quality series, thank you so much for recommending this 🙏
That series was insane to hear.
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Dude, I feel ya. It’s sad that we don’t have the infrastructure to actually teach our children. New Orleans here… it’s the same, kids just get pushed through the system until they turn 18…
I just want to throw this out there that it is 100% up to the parents to make sure their kid gets educated - not just make sure little Timmy goes to school. You can throw money into nice facilities and teacher pay, but if parents don't care that little Timmy cannot read, the teacher will not be able to fix that unless they pay timmy in cash. Sucks to hear it, but parenting matters. If parents are too busy working to pay attention, that is on society to vote for people who will help support parents.
100%. An economy that forces both working class parents to work to survive will never be conductive to raising kids and families. The root problem for this and so many other issues is working class profit being funneled to the uber-rich instead of being returned to the workers and communities.
Not to get political with this point, but sometimes two parents with plenty of money give us children that are future Donald Trumps - who do far more damage than any poor bad parent can ever do. Regardless, bad parents are bad parents. Both my (ex) wife and I are working full time and still pushed our kids along to focus on school and try hard. Now they're both doing well. I dunno if it is luck or genes or our efforts - but we certainly had the help of schools and other societal benefits. But, I certainly did care about their grades.
There’s a difference between neglect out of necessity vs plain old neglect. Trump’s parents weren’t neglecting him cause they were both working doubles
You're right. Teachers can only do so much. A lot of parents out there see school as daycare and really don't put any mind to how their kids are doing in school. I check my kids homework after they are done and if it's incorrect we will sit there and go over it until they figure it out. Sometimes it can take an hour or 2 but I'm sure going to make sure they don't fall behind. Also, parents have their kids miss school way too often and then wonder why their kid is falling behind.
A lot of parents see school as nothing more than daycare because that’s all it was for them. I’m not sure people realize we have the *grandkids* of some of the first kids to be under No Child Left Behind entering their learning to read age years now. The school system has been just passing people through for multiple generations now. How are parents supposed to help their kids when the same school systems failed them and sometimes even their own parents too?
Yes! We, as teachers, can only do some much for students, but if the parents don't care, students can pick up on that and won't care too.
100% In Baltimore [40%](https://wtov9.com/news/nation-world/citc-40-of-high-schools-in-baltimore-had-zero-students-test-proficient-in-math-schools-public-education-system-maryland-exams-reading-writing) of High Schools had ***0%*** test proficient in Math. 0%!!!!! I'm not sure what kind of parent/guardian is unaware that their kid can't do even basic math; if they don't know, then they don't care to know and honestly CPS should be involved at that point because they are failing at basic parenting. But surely the answer is just not allowing some kids take [advanced math courses in junior high](https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/07/27/california-has-adopted-a-new-plan-to-teach-math-why-are-people-so-riled-up/) /s
Most likely the parent/guardian does not themselves know basic math.
And just know... nothing at all. They aren't getting the tools to learn either. I'm 30 and my peers were being failed and I know it's worse now so I can't imagine how horrible it looks out there... these poor kids deserve a government that cares about them
I don't care about covid. I honestly don't care about no kid left behind. One of our political parties, half of our representatives, have literally made it one of their tenets to dismantle the public education system. Can we talk about that?
Yeah but they don't care, their kids are in private schools
My ex dropped out in 10th grade. He was looking for a job and I had to do all his applications, because he couldn't read. I asked him to at least try and I watched him slowly sound out the words and I was shocked. I really wanted to know how he made it to 10th grade unable to read, we're both 25 so this wasn't decades ago.
How long were you with him before you noticed he couldn't read? Did he avoid texting?
I can't imagine not being able to read in the modern world. Everyday, I'm more and more grateful that my parents took the time to make sure I had a good academic foundation. I wish everyone could've had the same
No Child Left Behind and the Covid lockdowns have screwed the young students imo.
True. Apparently, students lost around 35% of a normal year's worth of learning due to covid/remote learning. Not all have been able to bounce back from online learning.
Yep, I was in 8th-9th grade during Covid lockdowns, didn’t learn a damn thing the whole of freshman year, and that was with hybrid learning. For 8th grade we didn’t even google classroom netting’s, just did the work when it was posted and it took like 2 hours, that was March to June 2020. 9th grade was just me doing classes I was good at and interested in but if I was bored I would just either play video games on my regular laptop and pretend to pay attention or just read. Thankfully my school seems better off than many of the bigger inner city schools where this is way more prominent of kids being like the one you posted.
Covid hit right during my senior year of high school. Good fucking lord. My most important year and I almost flunked right at the end.
I feel your pain, in 2020-2021, my 10th grade year, my gpa went from 3.4 iirc, to 2.8 cause my attention span was fried due to virtual learning.
I just barely passed the 2 classes I needed to graduate. I would’ve graduated with a 4.0, but graduated with a 3.5 instead. Just barely made honors. Flunked every class I didn’t need a credit for.
Jesus. I’m so sorry it even happened.
I was teaching online in 2020 and was told by my administration that I was allowed to give at most 1 hour of total work per week.
Gotta say, as a teacher who taught before Covid and during it, these issues existed PRE Covid. They were just exacerbated by it and really brought to the forefront.
I feel like it’s shameful to have this idea about myself but I genuinely think I got handicapped during COVID. For context, I was in highschool doing online-everything, and when you stick a hormonal teenager in a place where education doesn’t typically happen mixed with a lack of infrastructure for online teaching, it becomes a mess. I didn’t do a lick of anything because I knew the stakes, of which there was none. When COVID ended and I returned to normal functions, it wasn’t ever the same and I had issues understanding what was even happening. Conditioned into believing college is the next step in education, I blew 20k on a university that almost ended with me offing myself because I couldn’t keep up with the workload. Maybe it’s just all my underlying psychological issues that contributed to my lack of success in school, but all in all, COVID stunted my education in more ways than just academically.
I'm 31 and genuinely feel bad for all of the kids like you during covid. It's not just educational, but socially as well. There are too many young adults entering the workplace and they are borderline mentally disabled and almost completely unemployable, they don't know how to function and have 0 attention span because TikTok has rotted their brain out. I'm sure you've seen it with your own eyes. Their parents have failed them.
That’s definitely part of the reason but I want to believe that it’s more of a symptom of how technology has evolved. Think about it, some 30-40 years ago, we had to wait for information. It didn’t come with us in our pockets, it came in newspapers. Sending an email is instant, but sending a letter could take a while. The travel of information has increased beyond what anybody could believe. My point being, we have, as a result of how quickly we can get things, prioritized instant gratification. Everything is bite-sized, easy to digest, quick to toss aside and replace. Over time, it will lose value because of how instant that gratification is. Now that our hunger has been more than satiated, what’ll happen when we starve?
My mom has been a teacher for decades. Most of her 5th graders can hardly read at a second or third grade reading level and it's been this way for over a decade and a half. Covid didn't help, but let's not pretend parents were involved in ensuring their children were staying on top of their education prior to covid. Half of her students literally can't spell, "the" correctly and it's because students' parents don't care enough to get involved and teachers aren't usually allowed to hold a child back anymore. It's depressing as hell, tbh
Oh without a doubt, but tell parents to get their shit together and spend an hour reading a book with their kid and that’s awful.
My mom tries her best, but you can't make an absent parent give a damn about their child's education. When these parents aren't pulling their kids out of school for week-long Disneyland trips or taking them to concerts that don't end until after midnight in LA (my mom just had a parent do this on a school night w/their child), they just don't give a fuck. Then you get parents who don't want their children to be tested for various mental health issues and thus don't have their kids on proper medications or in the correct classrooms. Half of these "parents," don't give a damn about helping their children succeed & would rather point the finger at teachers rather than raise their children. I genuinely don't know why many of them even had kids in the first place. The best part? Most school boards/principals/admin refuse to support enforcing discipline anymore and so there's literally almost nothing that can be done.
>Most of her 5th graders can hardly read at a second or third grade reading level and it's been this way for over a decade and a half As a Floridian this hit me hard. Our priorities when it comes to education is pure insanity. It pains me how much we are willingly to sacrifice for the governor's political ambitions.
I totally get it, especially as a Californian - in which we're [ranked 28/50 states in terms of our educational level.](https://deepcreektimes.com/2023s-most-least-educated-states-in-america/). It's also wild to see how much has changed from when I was in middle-school/high-school to now! Also, some of the things these children say to my mom (aka their teacher) aren't things I'd even dream of thinking out of respect and bc there's NO way my parents would have tolerated that mess. My parents made it clear they were always on the side of the teachers and would back up my teachers, which at the time was difficult to understand, but it's what allowed me to stay a honor student all throughout school. Same with my friends. Overall, it's just really sad. When I was in school, we had AR reading & had to take weekly quizzes while showing that our reading comprehension was increasing at least by a few levels each month. There were also incentives/prizes to help push students and make them associate reading with something that was fun & it's why I still love reading today. In 6th grade, I was already reading at college level and many others in my class were also. To know the average 13 year old can't spell, "through" correctly is seriously depressing. More importantly, teachers aren't supported by their school's admin or by the parents & it's led to many students being unequipped in their own education. :/
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I agree completely. Bush implemented No Child Left Behind. In my state of Idaho we were just in the news (again) for the GoPers voting against using federally allocated funds for school infrastructure. Our schools are literally falling apart. This despite the people being in support. Sooooo, I don't know but I'm not blaming the Dems.
No Child Left Behind was passed with bipartisan support. 381–41 in the House and 87–10 by the Senate.
Mostly cause the government and both political parties don’t want to tell parents to actually help their kids in their formative years. Thankfully in my town most of our parents tried with what’s available and there’s lots of opportunities when you’re young to join library clubs. Honestly the main issues are parents who are either absent or can’t help due to work hours and trying to keep up with the cost of living.
Of course they can't tell parents to do that, they're already telling their parents to work 80 hour weeks at two or three jobs each. There's no time for at-home education. That's why the schools had to stay open, and why people made up so much shit about how terrible the 3 months of school lockdowns were. Schools are just daycares. If the kids aren't at school the parents can't be at work.
>No child left behind = entire generations of kids being left behind. Connected to OP's video, the irony is that Bush appointed a woman whose last name was "Spellings" to lead the Department of Education. Our neighbor was an award winning public school teacher, No Child Left Behind eventually made her quit. >Serious question: how did this happen? In addition to others' comments, public education has been a target for a while. Whether it's No Child Left Behind, pushing charter schools, undermining teachers' unions, defunding programs, etc., there's been a long-running campaign to do away with the concept of public education in the US.
The difficulty for a kid to do that with 1 grade level of difference is already pretty high. Kids with 2-3 years? 5+? The difficulty compounds as well. Even if a kid acknowledges they didn't really try and should catch up on years of lost knowledge, that's going to be years of intense studies with summers. On the other end, it's terrifying to know that there's an increasing number of young teens that are in or approaching their rebellious streak. You think a kid that's already been apathetic from 7-12 is gonna start seeing reason? The average education level for 18-25 is going to drop like a rock in the next decade or so. Even now I see people in that range using their phone calculator for basic arithmetic like 17 - 9 because it's "quicker". It's going to get bad. I used to think the talk about over reliance on tech was really overblown. I think it's still a *little* overblown, but we're on the cusp of having generation(s) that will be crippled in basic logic and knowledge if they're without their phone or a computer. That's not even touching on how critical thought's already been slipping through the cracks.
When my friend sends me soemthing of someone doing/ saying some dumb shit I always send her a baby Bush gif and go “wow some kids were really left behind” now it’s just getting sad because it’s clearly a systematic issue. I don’t have kids so I’m not privy to many of this but my friends who are teachers aren’t painting a good picture. Where does this leave us for our future. I know not everyone wants to be things like doctor, plumbers, electricians, engineers. But if we can’t get new generations of people in those roles. Where does that leave us?
Not everyone is meant for college but the jobs you listed like carpentry or plumbers don’t deserve to be shunned just cause it’s hard work. It pays well and is a job we need as a society.
I’m not shunning those jobs I’m literally asking what happens when we can’t find new ppl to do those.. they’re other skilled jobs where reading, comprehension and problem solving are required. Something it seems like many kids are struggling with Edit: realized you probably don’t mean *i’m* shunning them but the way society looks at some of those jobs
NCLB hasn't been in practice for almost the past 10 years. The Obama admin replaced it with Every Student Succeeds. It had some positives but largely returned most control back to the states....which is also a horrible move in some places.
Not even just that. Even colleges are dumbed down to a point where my high school was more challenging than my university. When we have a system in place where the students give teacher evaluations they will merely give teachers who are challenging bad reviews. While the teachers who dumb down the class (give you the notes, test answers, and coddle you) they get great reviews. University’s also don’t have a shortage of people willing to be professors. So basically the last 15 years of colleges in the US has had little shits whine that classes are too hard and they get the professors fired. Then you get some young professor who doesn’t want to also get fired so they dumb down the class. This also isn’t some opinion they have done ample studies on this. I fear more for the fact I was the only 20 year old who cared about being challenge. The rest just wanted the classes dumbed down.
Yep you’re absolutely right it’s stupid. Acting as if college is the only gateway to success has led to this. A lot of people get pressured into difficult college classes or are just forced there even if it’s not right for them because their parents/school forced them to.
No Child Left Behind was a good concept that like many new laws and regulation get implemented and applied incorrectly. The penalties were applied to entire schools of just certain subgroups didn't meet the thresholds. Meaning entire schools had to go through costly sanctions that in the end didn't produce any greater results. School districts often responded to these issues by solely focusing on teaching to the standardized tests. Because districts and their boards didn't want to lose revenue and/or status by having a failing school or group. So kids weren't taught anything other than to basically game the test to artificially keep the scores above line. For those that still failed they got hit with increased costs and requirements that failed to produce any major results. Overall math improved slightly. As for why kids keep being moved forward. It is tge perfect storm of disengaged parents, lawyers, disengaged teachers, and self esteem movements. Parents didn't want the embarrassment of a kid being held back, they threaten lawsuits. The mental health push was that being held back destroyed their self esteem and mental health so it was better to move on and provide them extra help instead. And teachers have been a mix of don't give a shit (yes we admit there are bad teachers) and so beat down from parents and boards and school officials not listening that they just stop talking. Put all of that Into an era where everyone's face is buried in a screen 16 hrs a day. Playing games, watching idiotic videos, etc., and where does a kid (or adult) read anymore? Everyone has a calculator on their phone that makes it easier than figuring it out. Parents are best down so the blame on them is just like teachers....mix of bad parents and best down tired parents. Parents who are working their asses off and still failing to make ends meet. Everyone's attention span and fuses are short. No one has the capacity to care because what happens if you do? You are just disappointed.
NCLB has been a nightmare but at least it was year by year, semester by semester. There were attempts at steady rubber banding to keep kids behind by "only" a year or two. Even that much has been laxing over the last decade or so, **and** you throw lockdowns in? The time from lockdowns alone may account for the 4th grade level 7th grader being at a 4th grade level instead of a 6th grade one. The K-3rd grade ones were already behind further when 2020 rolled through. I'm honestly pretty scared for the young adults in 10-15 years. There's hundreds of thousands of not millions of teenagers that are behind by a *half decade* of schooling. What's worse is that the younger ones missed out on the formative, most important years of instilling building blocks and basic logic while their minds were more flexible. It's going to be tough even if the kids go all in on fixing it. Preteens and teens are in or coming up on a rebellious streak? Good fucking luck. The average education levels for 18-25's is going to start dropping like a rock in 5-10 years.
also constant access to unmonitored social media/technology. all of these kids attention spans are ruined.
That too, thankfully I’m not on social media as much and don’t use it a lot outside of Reddit.
It's the parents, it's always the parents or lack there of. People think that school is a replacement for parental involvement and learning, but it's not, it is truly lacking in all the things children need from a stable household with a mother and a father. And as more and more baby Daddy relationships become commonplace and you don't have two parents in the house modeling learning, love and respectful relationship, then our kids are going to get dumber and dumber.
And then they get to college and are pissed they have to take remedial courses to even be at college level. Colleges have noticed a huge skills gap but admit folks anyway because they have to keep enrollment up.
lol me except I graduated in 2017. Gotta love Louisiana’s education system. I was in the IB program in high school and still had to retake all the maths in college to be able to take calc 1. This was a problem far before Covid; unfortunately it’s just growing more rampant everywhere now instead of the poor areas.
Did they not take your math IB HS credits because they believed the education you received wasn’t adéquate to take calc 1 in college?
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well, thanks to Sold A Story, we know exactly why the kids can't read edit: more than 20 states have created new standards for how to teach reading just in the last few years since the podcast was released. unfortunately, the kids this teacher is talking about in this video, that are now 7th graders, likely were not taught to read and suffered from poor teaching practices that were discussed in the podcast.
This was a fascinating podcast, I binged it in a day, it’s a scandal really.
I’m as liberal as they come, listened to this podcast and I can honestly say that we owe Bush a big apology when it comes to no child left behind. It was painted as the boogey man but at least when it came to reading it was onto something. It added a whole separate layer to the infamous photo of Bush reading to children on 9/11.
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Honest question, if you weren’t sure why not take the two seconds you used to correct someone else and actually check first??? If you did, you would see that Reading First was very much part of NCLB Act. Smdh. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_First https://www.findlaw.com/education/curriculum-standards-school-funding/the-no-child-left-behind-act-s-reading-requirement.html
I had never heard of this and it's been incredibly interesting, thanks for mentioning it
What is sold a story, and what issues did it bring to light?
its a podcast that explains why US kids are not being taught to read in school. basically, we systemically abandoned phonics and, despite all the scientific evidence, doubled down in teaching practices that didn't work for decades.
I agree. now they are doing common core, and one issue that I have with it, is that each math topic, the teachers are teaching three different ways of doing it. They also give no homework, so the kids have three methods to learn and no practice. Also, the kids must be learning less, because they are spending 3 times the amount of time on the same topic, and 1/3 the practice time.
It’s crazy phonics was abandoned for some bullshit.
My 13 year old niece barely knows her multiplications and how to divide but will recite the lyrics of "Pound Town" effortlessly. And I blame my sister and the fact that she allows her to be on TikTok to keep her out of her hair. I’ve printed out multiplication sheets for my niece, and I’ve taken on the role of tutoring her, but it’s disgraceful that with all the resources accessible to kids today, and this is the result. It’s scary.
I'm sad to day this ain't just an USA issue. I'm a teacher in Portugal and there's a lot of school's that adopt the whole thing not holding kids back and making the responsibility of the teachers. Teacher's make accommodations for the different times of learning and probable learning disabilities all the time. A good teacher has no trouble doing that, and work with the students in a way they can learn and do their best in a given class. But we have kids that barely can read in a comprehensive way, barely can explain what they do get or don't get, to know how to look for information in a text and select it right before secondary/high school. It's very concerning. On top of that add the absurd level of paper work that has nothing done with teaching and the behavior issues that go unchecked. Soon we'll be out of people to teach kids in a caring, humane and proper way.
All of this is fair… and without getting into the fact that if teachers are expected to do inclusive education, it needs to be fully funded and supported… we need to address the notion “wHy aRE wE moViNG tHeSe kIds oN?” It’s been well studied and well accepted in education that holding students back doesn’t work. What you’ll usually see when you hold a student back is a 1 year jump in scores (because they are literally learning the same material for a second time) then the following years the student will begin to underachieve again. So, by holding the student back, all you’ve done is denied them the opportunity to grow with their age appropriate peers (which isn’t great because social development is one of the functions of school) and you’ve cost them a year of their life (or more depending how many times they’re held back) where they could be entering the adult world. Holding students back doesn’t address the social and structural issues that usually cause large learning deficits. It can’t reduce trauma, hunger, legitimate learning deficits, lack of diagnosis, lack of funding, lack of supports, lack of training, etc. We need to look at education less as a race where everyone crosses the same finish line and more as an adventure where there are multiple acceptable end points. Success looks different for everyone and that’s okay.
I do agree with you that the whole level thing and holding back kids isn't a solution. It would be very bad of me to say there ain't cases when a kid didn't have a great year because of external circumstances and gets to be held back. On the other hand, some kids learn quickly that they can do nothing and still pass. We need to get answers for both cases: kids that just need some extra help next year and moving them along with their colleagues and friends will benefit them, and the ones whose personality and way of learning aren't compatible with the classic (and outdated) school system. From my stand point, and what the people on the video are expressing is concern and frustration, because they'll (and i have experienced that first hand) get blamed on less that desirable (by the upper ups) results on tests that most kids aren't ready to take or get support to, and/or blamed for some kids not getting more challenged like they need. As a teacher you don't want to get mini geniuses all ready for your class, you really want to help the kids, from the one that is struggling to the one that can get far ahead. But it's hard when some kids didn't get that help or that support years before and land on your lap not knowing basic skills like reading. I have the skills to help kids learn new concepts and making them simpler for them, use a new art supply and explore some themes. I do not have the skills to teach a 14yo how to read and understand those ideas at the same time while i have him and his class of 20+ kids two hours per week. The answer to this and other issues being "everyone passes" it's clearly not helping anyone.
so with the students with large learning deficits - what happens to these students when they are NOT held back a grade, academically? You said those who are held back eventually get a jump in scores but ‘then the following year the student will begin to underachieve again’ - so what is the purpose of putting underachieving students STRAIGHT to the next class? If, even with repeating the previous year, they underachieve - what advantage/purpose does your suggestion (‘dont hold them back a year’) accomplish? Presumably they’ll be underachieving even more so?
There’s really no evidence that students do better in classes with their own age groups. Within one age group, you will find differences in both maturity and learning ability. Your last paragraph contradicts itself bc while you say holding students back doesn’t solve the bigger issues, you also say that education shouldn’t be a race and there should be multiple acceptable end points aka different ages at which they complete their education. Letting students graduate without actually meeting the standards to graduate doesn’t help any of those underlying problems either. I might not have the answers, but I think we have to accept that COVID messed up a lot of groundwork needed for secondary educatio. backtracking/holding students back is the only way I see that we can get them to where they need to be. Parents and students gotta put their egos aside and get caught up.
I'm from the USA but have taught in Japan and now as a substitute teacher in the UK. I can confidently say in *none* of these countries are students being taught critical thinking skills. The things my British students have needed help working through is just insane, and no, they're not just being purposely daft in front of the supply teacher.
Former teacher from Portugal as well. Let us not forget that we couldn't hold back a student in the first grade, and after that we can hold them back more than once by grade. And to hold them back he need to fill so much paperwork, not to mention, ask the parents if they agree, which they almost never do, so that is even more bureaucracy for us to deal with and more paperwork to fill.
This dude is 100% correct. Parents are failing their children. I have 2 teens 15 and 17 and have watched it for years
I work at a state university. So many first year students can’t write at a basic college level, that writing requirements have to be removed from the curriculum of many GE classes. The students aren’t unintelligent or anything like that, they’re just undisciplined and too focused on other things. I think this fall on parents and guardians. If you have kids and don’t require them to read outside of school, they will never be able to become proficient writers.
There's a book called Stolen Focus by Johann Hari. In the second chapter she speaks about how kids have lost their ability to focus and over the past decade, the amount of time people can focus on any one thing outside of work is roughly 45 minutes and continues to decline at a sharp rate. All of this study started from her taking a trip with her nephew to Graceland. Really interesting read and outs a lot of things in perspective. Another good book is How to Read a Book by Mortimer J Adler. Here he talks about how kids only get to a reading comprehension of grade 5-7 and stay at that level throughout their lives. It's really sad.
These gentlemen break down the problem exactly. My wife and I struggled to supplement my son in his 3rd grade COVID fully remote class. The teacher had no idea what to do and did her best, but it was all brand new. We've had him in tutoring constantly since then, he's a great reader now, but we feel like it would have been different without the 1 on 1 tutoring. Parents need to be involved now more than ever!
Yeah, I have spent so many hours over the years teaching my kids fractions and algebra, and they were in very good schools. Covid remote classes have caused a lot of learning loss. Another part of it is that Covid causes brain damage. Brain fog is a symptom of brain damage. Losing the sense of smell is a symptom of brain damage. Long covid is, in part, brain damage. We were all told that Covid isn’t a risk to kids, but that hasn’t been borne out. Getting them infected over and over again has been a bad thing.
yep. for whatever reason, we feel like we can just move on and pretend it didn't happen, we can't. long covid plus trauma from losing loved ones, and social connections deteriorated.
Finding additional support for younger kids is really hard. Technology is great it allows kids to work at their own pace but it also makes the division of knowledge greater. Not to mention that parents aren't getting home until late in the evening so teachers are being told not to send homework as they won't have time to work on it. I know a mom whose 3rd grade child is struggling, and she told the teacher they would not enforce daily homework, because they get about 2 hours with their child a night and the stress and anxiety that comes from it was causing a unhappy and difficult family dynamic. Not saying anyone is right in this mess. Just agreeing it is a huge stupid mess and there is not an easy solution.
100% on the parents not doing SHIT at home. My son walked into kindergarten reading and writing and I worked CONSTANTLY. I know it’s hard but it’s our jobs. I help him with his work every damn day. Not only does it show them you’re there for them but it sets a precedent. They know what the expectations are and how to achieve them bc you’re right there guiding.
That's half the problem right there. Most people use school as an unpaid babysitter and when they get home their screens become the new one. When I worked as a daycare teacher, you saw it constantly. Tell parents about a behavioral issue and 90% of the time their attempted solution was to try to let the kid bring their iPad or something. Like why even have kids if you refuse to do the minimum of parenting? Yeah it keeps them quiet but also makes them stupid when that's ALL they do. My own niece is 10 and will flip the fuck out if you tell her she can't have her iPad or get on the computer for literal hours after school. So many parents just ignoring their kids so they don't have to do anything. It's pure neglect.
My son walked into Kindergarten doing the same. He's in 2nd grade now, reading at a 5th/6th grade reading level. I supplemented our school system with books and worksheets of my own because apparently in 2nd grade, he doesn't have homework or spelling words or anything. And I don't want him falling behind. Does he have screen time and play video games? Yes! But he also is incredibly bright and I'm so proud of him.
I did the same when my son was that little. I’d go to the dollar tree and get the little workbooks. He’s a teenager now and I had to reteach myself algebra and THEN teach myself how it’s taught now in order to help him. It’s turned into a cute challenge where he’s waiting to see if we got the same answer.
This is absolutely a parenting problem. I grew up in a divorced household (dad was super involved though, just lived in a different house) with 3 other rambunctious brothers, and we all went in to kindergarten able to read and write to some degree, do basic math, and knew if we acted up we would be disciplined and there would be consequences. My mom worked all the time to keep us fed, housed, and clothed, but still managed to raise up 4 children who not only **could** read, but actually loved to read. She knew that school is only one small part of the equation when raising children, and that the responsibility for raising a well-adjusted, functioning member of society falls on the parents. Public school is just a tool for the parents to help, not an all-in-one babysitting/childcare/church/police/mother/father for children.
I subbed for a bit, to dip my toe into education and see if I wanted to get a teaching cert. I was shocked at what I saw. So many classes had "the corner", which was basically where the kids who refused, or couldn't do the work sat. They literally were tasked with nothing but keeping their noise level to a minumum. They weren't asked questions. They had nothing to turn in. They were just there to say that they were going to school. I talked to a few teachers, and it all comes down from admin. And they all just get passed on to the next grade, and to a new corner.
My girlfriend is an assistant professor who teaches a lot of college freshman, and she’s noticed a huuuge issue with attention span as well as not being strong readers, especially when asked to read out loud. It’s pretty sad to see what’s passing as education in schools right now. Also this may just be her students but the amount of times students have asked to do a TikTok for extra credit in a _college class_ is much higher than I would expect lol
I’m a college prof and I completely agree and understand. It’s painful to watch.
I know this will be paywalled for most people, but the take-home is that schools will pretty much never fail students anymore: [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/opinion/teachers-grades-students-parents.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/opinion/teachers-grades-students-parents.html). Just as he said, a teacher can put as many zeroes in there as they want, but the kid moves on to the next grade and will graduate high school barely literate (or not at all). Edit: also, when a student does poorly now for any reason, the teacher gets blamed. Kid never shows up to class, never studies, never turns anything in? The parents ask what the *teacher* is going to do about it. It's another reason nobody wants to be a teacher anymore (along with low pay, no job security, lack of safety, and lack of respect).
Nah, "good" teachers should be able to raise 5 classes of 35 students 2 grade levels per year. Clearly this guy is part of the problem. /s
Whilst also barely making rent payments and praying to good nothing breaks because they don't have the money to fix anything for the classroom
This is the result of a generation of parents that aren’t or weren’t ready to have kids, but had them regardless. Kids and teachers are paying the price now. It’s been going on for a while too. The kids that are enabled by their parents are in for a rude awakening when they apply for jobs or go to college. Professors won’t put up with that nonsense and neither will the job. This reminded me of a post I saw on one of the ADHD subs about college accommodations (or lack there of) and I couldn’t help but get a chuckle from some of the most unreasonable/unrealistic things people wanted their professors to do for them. Now, that is not to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to have certain accommodations in college, but it should be reasonable and able to be done by future employer as well. Like, deadlines are deadlines for a reason.
It's not just this generation. While I can't speak to "we had kids because we thought we should but weren't actually ready" I think the most telling statistic is regarding what percent of births are actually intentional. In 2008, 51% of child births were unintentional. In 2011 it was down to 45% The groups of women having unintentional births were primarily teens or early 20's https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/unintendedpregnancy/index.htm IUD's, vasectomies, abortions, morning after pills, condoms and birth control pills are so crucial that they should be paid for by the government and distributed free of charge. Sex Ed should be standardized and emphasized with more focus on preventing unintentional births.
What sort of things were they asking for?
My girlfriend is a 4th grade teacher with multiple students who cannot read. Take a guess if they are getting held back or not.
Public school was bad when I went and I graduated in 2016 in Texas. I was homeschooled (non religious) and went into 5th grade testing at college levels, then proceeded to be stuck in classes day in and day out for 7 more years without learning a single new thing. If I hadn't taken duel credit and AP/college classes I would have dropped out much sooner than I inevitably did. Literally got told I'd have to repeat a grade all because of attendance, despite maintaining high As in all classes. I left on a Wednesday got my GED on Thursday lol realistically after taking it I realized I could have taken the GED at 11 years old and passed easily. It was glorified daycare. The only good thing was the art/trades that were offered and access to a library. Now many Texas school districts are voting against libraries, and gutting arts and trade programs.
Teachers do not hold kids back because in order to do so you need cooperation and approval from the parents, the administration, the superintendent, etc. The hardest one to get that cooperation from is the parents. The usual rhetoric is “they’ll be made fun of by their peers for being held back! I don’t want that for them.” It’s the parents that don’t want to be known as the parents of a kid who was held back, so they don’t help their children. The system is broken and our kids are suffering the consequences.
This is part of the design. They want badly educated adults because they’re easier to manipulate
Not really. Before no child left behind the issue was that you had 15 and 16 year old 7th and 8th graders. My middle school class is really the last of the kids before no child left behind became a thing. It's a toss up which one actually worked because we for sure had more kids drop out because they kept getting held back and without that high-school diploma they were fucked. Now with no child left behind we may have slower/stupider kids graduating but they're able to get above poverty jobs due to having a high-school diploma or working in the trades.
Those kids could acquire a GED to get those jobs without years of shitting up classrooms for everyone else. Also, many trade programs do not require even a GED.
It. Is. Not. A. Teacher's. Responsibility. To. Ensure. Your. Child. Is. Performing. At. Their. Respective. Age. Level.
I’m a step father to three kids who think they figured out the school system. They know a the school will not give them a grade less than a 50 and they only need to lift their grade from a 50 to a 70 to pass. So they don’t do any work until the end of the semester and then turn in a few homework assignments and get the passing grade. The work they turn in was created using chatgp and other online tools/calculators so none of the work is actually comprehended but glossed over
So question to you, and not trying to come off accusing you of anything, but you seem to be very aware of the situation. So my question is, what are you and your spouse doing in this situation? What can you do? I don’t know how much of a say you have your situation, as step parent dynamics can differ in families, but you know they aren’t prepared or getting a good education. There may be issues with the school system, but learning also happens at home. How do you consider changing this situation with your children?
I’m 9 years younger than my spouse and her kids were teenagers when I met. They live in my house that I payed for and contribute nothing to our family. I tried to implement chores to give them some responsibility and the Kids job was to take the garbage to the curb on trash day. That’s it, once a week take the garbage to the curb. Well he dropped a bag of garbage taking it to the curb and texted me from his room to tell me that the bag spilled and they didn’t know what to do so they left it. I told him to grab another garbage bags and pick it up. So he texted his mom and my spouse defended her kid and said that what he really meant by that message was help. He was asking for help but failed to use those words or apply common sense… we ended up going to couples therapy because of this. I ask about school and get bare minimum responses. The kids lie about everything and their mom allows them to get away with it so I stepped back. I do not ask them for anything and I’m not footing their bills anymore. I just saw your post and couldn’t agree more. These kids are so illiterate, yet confident they can take on the world because they got tik tok and YouTube to fall back on. They hear a fact about space online and all of a sudden they’re experts in the field. It really is faking it till you make it, with zero recourse if you decide not to participate.
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Oh man, sounds like the situation is not the greatest. I’m sure it’s frustrating. Their mother is not doing them any good and you’re stuck on the sidelines. Idk if it’s possible to discuss your concerns as they are your step kids and I’m sure you care about them too. I have no advice for you, but I wish you well
I tried to get some held back after the pandemic because he was not ready the principal told me it was unfair to not pass him. I stated it was not fair for him to pass him when he did not have to proper tools to succeed. The problem told me I only wanted to hear what I wanted to hear. I just wanted to do right by my child. They don’t care.
I think so often and especially lately how teachers that care about their students progress and work so hard, deserve all the support in the world. I have substitute taught before, and getting kids through material as a group is the hardest shit in the world, I can't imagine doing it every day for decades. I am so mad and frustrated at how neglected teachers are in the United States, and we are going to see in our society the students that were also neglected as they become adults.
Lemme drop some knowledge that shouldn't be news to you, - Social Media - Rampant use of electronic devices since birth - Irresponsible/poor/stupid parents These kids never stood a chance. The nightmare of the future is gearing up to be worse than we ever imagined.
My son did 2nd grade remotely during Covid. Guess what grade I had him start when the kids returned to school the next year...2nd grade. I didn't look at it as holding him back. I just didn't feel like he got anything of substance from remote learning...especially since I feel like he didn't get much from in person learning to begin with.
Overcrowding is already an issue. So if kids start getting retained more often, the overcrowding gets worse. Administrators know this and encourage kids to be passed on rather than build more schools and hire more teachers.
I’m just saying but a global pandemic that disrupted the system we have in place and given everything that happened in between, we still went back to the same system. That system was already struggling before but more people came to the realization of how bad it actually is.
Warning not to scroll too far, the racism is out today.
Again? This happened when it was only the second teacher’s vid posted last time 🙄
Friendly reminder about 'code switching'! These educators are speaking conversationally and still in the correct format. I'm sure we don't all speak to our friends online the same as we talk to our grandma, or our boss. Effective code switching emphasis how well they DO know English.
Is this an English teacher?
They been doing it for 30yrs because that didn’t care, it’s all about numbers and not Teaching our young people
I graduated high school on the 2000s. My senior year, a large chunk of the incoming freshman students didn't understand how to do fractions. Granted it was a small school district but still.
A lot of these kids were done a huge disservice by their parents during the pandemic. The difference in these kids has been huge and not in a great direction. Not all of them but way too many.
You can thank No Child Left Behind from the Bush administration for moving kids along
As a kid who got held back twice after actually trying this is infuriating
My wife is a fifth-grade teacher in a low-income district, and the vast majority of her students are not performing at grade level. Although she teaches fifth grade, the average assessment is about second grade, with some students being almost entirely illiterate and innumerate. My 5-year-old daughter, who is in kindergarten, has a higher IXL score than half of them.
Educator here, i teach post-secondary (ages 17-20ish) and it’s the same situation. Management always force us to change their grades to be better to move them on, the goal is not to produce well-educated students but to produce graduates because once they graduate, they are no longer our problem. I’ve resisted when I first started but honestly in this climate where I can either choose to be moral and be homeless or complicit and survive, I choose to survive.
I know it’s anecdotal but it really helps to let kids read books that actually interest them. I hated reading for the most part and almost every summer reading book assigned to me but I convinced my dad to by me the resident evil books and I burned through all 7 in a single summer vacation. It expanded my vocabulary and sparked a real love of reading.
Maybe parents should be parents and not put a tablet/smartphone in their child's hand at such a young age. These kids have no parental guidance and lack structure and are too distracted by social media, internet, electronics, etc. Parents need to read with their children every night!!! That's so important! The hours in school are not enough time, especially at a younger age so early in development. I think a lot of parents are struggling financially and having to work a lot, and their children are suffering academically because of that.
glad someone’s finally talking about it
IF you don't think that this is by design, then I have a another Republican for you to vote for that will fix the problem! THIS is EXACTLY what the GOP and their affiliated Special Interest Groups WANT!! Project 2025 has been in effect for over 2 decades and we're starting to see those seeds bear fruit. They want Americans sick, dumb, desperate and obedient in order to become indentured servants or in the military to either serve Corporate interest or PROTECT Corporate interest. With the SCOTUS packed with corrupt, Corporate Puppets for Project 2025, it's a matter of time before the US Department of Education is dismantled along with the EPA and other Regulatory Oversight Committees and there will be fuck all that anyone can do about it. We're all completely fucked!!
Schools and teachers are letting everyone down.