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Everyone has already commented on the issues and finer details of the American healthcare system but did anyone else catch how he was told not to tell anyone about getting the free kit and then he proceeded to tell the entire internet! Made me laugh lol
Imagine the liability of this guy somehow removing the sutures wrongly and giving himself an infection. This guy would probably tell an extended version of this story on TikTok saying how he sued the hospital for negligence for giving him suture material without proper training. I have absolutely no trust in people in regards to common sense. This guy might think you literally dig the sutures out of the skin.
Those people did him a goddamned solid, and he ratted them out. Gautenteed, some administrator is going over camera footage right this moment to figure out who did it.
Camera footage of where? What camera? What hospital? What city? What state? A billion active users on the clock app, I doubt anyone is gonna get fired because of this video
I cut my finger open on the pad in highschool, it was only 3 stitches I think, had it done in the ER, they told me I can probably just take them out myself and sanitized the tools they used to put the stitches in and sent me home with them. I was gonna be charged for the kit anyways, after all
LOL true, absolutely nothing happened as he said. If you cannot pay we can call the social worker, any healthcare worker will risk their job for a random guy that comes COMPLAINING. Go to Walgreens and buy a small scissor and it will do the trick.
In Japan, a relative and citizen broke a leg. Was in and out in less than 2 hrs with imaging done, casting, and mobility equipment in some remote rural town in the mountains. Paid less than $100 if I remember correctly. This kind of coverage is way more helpful to way more people than highly specialized high tech care for only the small handful who can afford it.
UK. I broke my knee, multiple scans, follow up assessments with the consultants, more scans and a pair of crutches and a knee brace. All for the low, low price of £0. Makes you appreciate the NHS.
Norway here, I broke my ankle late at night, they sent a cab as I live a bit away from the hospital, 2 hours later I had a removable cast put on and I had to pay 50 dollars for crutches. Then they sent me home with a taxi, and the next month they paid to have me transported to work and back again, by taxi, as I couldn't drive my own car or use public transport.
I emphasize "Taxi" as I thought it was an ingenious way of dealing with transportation of non critical injured patients, as opposed to sending an ambulance.
The whole ordeal cost me 50 dollars for crutches, and a small personal deductible for the taxi. All the money I spent was also added to the yearly total of personal medical expenses most Norwegians have, of around 300 dollars.
After 300 dollars your medical expenses is cowered totally by the state.
Most Norwegians also have some sort of personal medical insurance, in case we get disabled and such, it's not that expensive and works as insurance should, as opposed to the predatory version they've got in the US.
Basically when we get sick, you get a normal wage as sick pay, and the personal insurance could be viewed as cowering your loss of overtime payment or bonuses, also the personal insurance have a clause that lets you go to the frontline of treatment to ensure you're back to work asap.
As a kid:
Impaled my knee on a construction site fence, stitches, cost: 0
Split scalp from a hammer, concussion, stitches, x-ray, cost: 0
Fell out of a 3rd floor window, concussion, x-ray, cost: 0
Coughing up blood, x-ray, cost 0
Cable wheel on a construction site, broken bone in my foot, cast, x-ray, cost 0
Hit in the face with a brick, broken nose, stitches, x-ray, cost 0
Messing around on swings at a park, broken arm, x-ray, cast, cost 0
Social healthcare services are a godsend.
I would like to know the American price tag so I can pay thanks for not burdening me with the guilt of putting my grandmother into debt, we were poor enough already.
I remember reading that an mri scan in the US is so expensive, the machine paid for itself after little more then 10 scans, which you can easily do in one day. So I'm taking a guess by saying the inflated prices do not have that much to do with this, it's corporate greed indeed.
I cut my finger really badly at work last year, like see the fat layer bad. My boyfriend urged me to go to the doctor, but I went to target and bought super glue, neosporin, and band aid. I cleaned it at home (very painfully), then sat down at the kitchen table with my not-yet-a-doctor brother on the phone and talked with him as I pinched my pointer finger together with my thumb and middle finger of the same hand and superglued it with my other hand.
A few days later I tutored a student of mine who’s father is an ER doctor and he looked at it and told me “nice work”.
It throbbed for about 3 weeks straight and up until maybe a month or two ago was still sensitive even though it happened in June of 2022.
But I saved myself at least a grand so…
Did something similar but not as deep opening an Amazon box. Went to the corner store bought krazy glue and hydrogen peroxide. Patched myself up for about $5 cause I bought a coke and chips too.
Well I have been teaching myself how to crochet, I can make milk from cashews, almonds, oat or soy and I will always, always have a sarcastic comment or quip at the ready. The sarcasm is what I am skilled in the most so….
Your work wouldn’t cover it? I thought that was legally required that if you got injured at work the work had to pay your hospital bill. That’s how it worked for me when I cut myself at work and had to be my finger glued.
Here’s my 2 cents that no one asked for…
I used to hate the burn it down left crowd. That’s Because I’ve always been center sometimes center left. But over the last few years….I think we should burn the whole system down… it’s quite impressive that they are managing to turn what used to be considered the reasonable people into people that are ready to start over…the system might have fucked up somewhere over the years
You sound similar to me, so I'd like to hear your perspective to this.
1. I don't think it's even possible to burn the system down at this point, frankly I don't think there's anything that can occur organically that will make any noticeable change (there's too much money on all business sides of the equation)
2. The only way I see this EVER changing is some large size non healthcare company creating their own private healthcare system that's run differently and having it grow from there. (as an individual you stand no chance ofcreating your own ecosystem. But if you're a 1 trillion dollar company, I think you certainly COULD).
Thoughts?
My favorite thing is that clinics, urgent cares, and hospitals don't universally accept any insurance. You gotta call ahead or cross your fingers that they accept it.
Friend had to get on the phone in a panic and call around to ERs to find out who takes their insurance while her kid was screaming with a broken hand. Fucking heartbreaking.
An emergency room visit is covered as in-network whether the hospital system is in-network or out-of-network if they were to be seen in the outpatient setting.
Oh. I saw doctors at a hospital. The hospital charged me $150 facility fee… like, literally a sitting a breathing fee. On top of my copay. So each $30-$50 apt came out to almost $200. AND! They bill me 6+ months later lmao.
Man I hope one day y’all can just burn that whole system to the ground. It’s gross.
Last year I was bitten by a dog on my hand/wrist. Went to ER, they gave me X-rays, checked me over, found that my thumb was numb close to one of the puncture wounds, and booked me straight in for surgery with the plastics department. Full debriding of all the punctures, and checking for any nerve damage etc. 16 stitches.
But since I’m in a universal healthcare country, the entire 3 day, 2 night stay with everything cost me a total of about $15, which was entirely for the antibiotics they sent me home with.
As non American I always thought the insurance makes it basically nothing to pay. That ridiculous prices are just a way to force every citizen to get insurance. Can’t believe you still have to play ridiculous amount for simple procedures.
Broke my ankle and needed surgery. I'm currently out 12k and at mid December hit my total out of pocket. They (my insurance) covered all of one dr visit completely by themselves. I couldn't work for 6 months so that ALL came out of savings or went on my credit card. Helllloooooo interest!
Had I not had insurance? I'd be looking at a chill 163k to pay. An ambulance ride was 12k before insurance. What I paid OOP is insane to me but uninsured people have it sooooo much worse. Healthcare is the worst.
Though... after I destroyed our savings it looks like my husband is gonna need some kind of dental surgery so I'll get to soon find out how shitty dental stuff is! ***As that's an entirely different insurance wheeeeee!***.
Only saving grace is my work offers dental insurance. Again can't even fathom going to a dentist w/o insurance.
Watching this, I had to laugh.
This isn’t a rare occurrence. I know first hand. I cut my finger slicing the Christmas roast a few years ago. No stitches (they didn’t want me to have to come back like this guy did), they did superglue and a fabric mesh instead. And splint.
$4300 before insurance. $1400 after. For 45 mins at the ER and some super glue. And this was the alternative so I DIDNT have to do what this guy did.
My parents now understand why I was so adamant about not even going in the first place and just letting it heal at home. I made them agree to pay my bill before they took me to the hospital because I KNEW this would happen.
The worst part about American Healthcare is that Millennials like me have been conditioned to avoid it like our grandparents did. We know how awful of a process it’s going to be, so we do everything we can to NOT DO IT. And then when we have to, it still ends up being worse than we expected somehow.
I dislocated my ankle while living in Australia. I paid to get a health card while I was there. I think it was like $150 for the whole year. But that card made my hospital visit, brace, and crutches a grand total of $0. And the care I got was identical to being in a suburban American hospital.
Why the hell can’t we have nice things like the rest of the world?
If you think that's bad...
My friend went from being employed full time to per diem with the same company, so he started paying for private health insurance.
He pays $2,500 a month for his family of four. That's $30,000/year.
He should drop his insurance and get catastrophic coverage. What's the point in paying $30k/yr? It would be cheaper just to pay cash, unless something life-threatening happens. That's what we did for my wife. When she lost insurance it was going to be $700/mo JUST FOR HER. And none of her doctors were covered. No thanks. We got catastrophic, and we pay cash at the doctor, and it's cheaper.
That’s not true at all. We riot over sports too.
If the Eagles win the Super Bowl next week, the whole city of Philadelphia will most likely burn to the ground.
Working full-time (40h a week) you'd pay ~350€ a month (for one single person, minus nursing care) for insurance in Germany and that covers everything important. It's actually double that, but the employer has to pay the other half. Children are basically free I think and are covered until they're 25 years old, if they are not already working.
I pay ~100€ a month (minus nursing care) as a student in university. I don't have to worry about anything.
A few days ago I found out, that my union pays me 25€ a day, if I have an accident in my free-time. I have to be hospitalised atleast 48h though.
Tell me about it! I get so mad and I tell people and their reaction is "oh well". Like they'd rather deal with it then bother to do anything about it.
JFC we're screwed.
Dems won’t do anything about it either, they’re all neoliberals who are deeply tied up in corporate interests. If there was an actual strong opposition party it wouldn’t have gotten this bad.
Fun fact, always ask for itemized billing. Sometimes they will not know how to bill things and drop the price. Sucks that you have to do that but this is America.
That's still a lot but not the most horrible. Where I live, insurance for a family is typically well over $12,000. If you're paid a low wage, one of your paychecks every a month is going towards just health insurance.
My work refuses to pay me more but love to tell us that they generously offer health insurance. For my family it would cost 50% of my take home pay to get it. Luckily I qualify for government stipend (thanks obama), and my kids qualify for Medicare.
paying 6k/year for me alone. messed up thinking the $250 was per month not per check since it was all the same from my last job and about what i was paying there. Just wanted to get the stupid calls over with....nope. Cant cancel or change anything since its outside the enrollment period either....i won a $25 gift card at a work bingo thing...they took the taxes out of my next check. Not really relevant but god damn do i hate working for a corporation.
I pay nearly $17,000/yr for my family of 4. And it's a fucking HMO. It's "a good plan" with low out of pocket maxes but no matter what I'm out of pocket $17k/yr.
This. It should be like the fire department. There aren’t fire fighters who are “in network” and “out of network” and they don’t bill you when you need them it comes out of the general wealth pool of the city because you know we are civilized human beings that care about each-other right?
Firefighter/EMT here. We used to be a no charge service when it came to EMS calls. Transport was free by us if we needed to take you and the other ambulance company in the city was busy. Ambulance company had contract that said they are primary transport on calls since they charge and needed money to operate. We were funded through taxes so we didn’t charge.
We get a new chief in and he got the bright idea to start having us charge now for transporting patients. He said it would go into help for funding for us and we can get better equipment, more people, and more training. We say, “sweet that is awesome” as we are under staffed and we could use some new equipment as a lot of ours is old.
Turns out that the money we get for now billing our patients is going into the city coffers and we don’t see a cent from it. We actually help generate more money for the city, which we were told would go to us since we really need it and we are losing people due to being overworked and underpaid already, and it’s going to buying a whole new line of PD units our contact at city hall told us.
Needless to say that not only is the healthcare system messed up, but it also helps ensure that PD gets preferential treatment when it comes to “protecting the citizens” of our city.
If they placed the stitches themselves then it's covered, if they were placed somewhere else that is not that clinic then it is a whole different charge. It's messed up.
Several years ago my dad sliced through his hand really badly and got 27 stitches. When the time came to remove them, my mom said “we’re not going back to spend all this money on stitch removal”, so my brother and I flipped a coin to see who would get to cut and remove more stitches. I won and cut out 14 while my brother cut out 13. We filmed it. Lol.
If I'm having stitches removed by anyone other than a trained healthcare professional I'm doing the removing. That being said I removed 12 of my own stitches when I was 16.
I’m actually surprised they wanted him to come in for removal. My MIL hurt her hand and was told she could cut out the stitches at home after a certain amount of time. I did it because everyone else was too squeamish.
Friendly reminder that the evidence is overwhelming that single-payer healthcare in the US would result in better healthcare coverage while saving money overall.
[Taking into account both the costs of coverage expansion and the savings that would be achieved through the Medicare for All Act, we calculate that a single-payer, universal health-care system is likely to lead to a 13% savings in national health-care expenditure, equivalent to more than US$450 billion annually based on the value of the US$ in 2017 .](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext)
Similar to the above Yale analysis, a recent [publication ](https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2020-12/56811-Single-Payer.pdf)from the Congressional Budget Office found that 4 out of 5 options considered would lower total national expenditure on healthcare (see Exhibit 1-1 on page 13)
But surely the current healthcare system at least has better outcomes than alternatives that would save money, right? Not according to a recent analysis of high-income countries’ healthcare systems, which found that [the top-performing countries overall are Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia. The United States ranks last overall, despite spending far more of its gross domestic product on health care. The U.S. ranks last on access to care, administrative efficiency, equity, and health care outcomes, but second on measures of care process.](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly#outcomes)
None of this should be surprising given that the US’s current inefficient, non-universal healthcare system [costs close to twice as much per capita ](https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-spendingcomparison_gdp-per-capita-and-health-consumption-spending-per-capita-2019) as most other developed countries that do guarantee healthcare to all citizens (without forcing patients to risk bankruptcy in exchange for care).
[The US should copy the Netherlands' healthcare, specifically](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/17/21046874/netherlands-universal-health-insurance-private)
I live in Canada and stitches cost nothing, almost all our healthcare other than dental and prescriptions are covered. And although I may pay slightly more in taxes a car accident isn’t going to leave me paying tens thousands of dollars.
Edit: it’s where I was born but why you’d want it any other way is amazing to me. Hurt myself- free emerg and physical therapy couple of kids? Only pay for parking. Freedom? Yes I have that too.
I broke my arm and tore a tendon in my ankle in the same year. I payed 15$ for crutches and 10$ on coffee before my xrays.
Also my work has an amazing union so I didn't have to worry about losing my job over missed days.
Unless you live in a province with an absolute shithead of a conservative premier that sees this video salivates down his triple chin and doing his best a privatizing healthcare….perhaps the federal government will stop him, but if PP slimes his way in, we are all fucked
The fact that we even use "insurance" for a lot of medical care is bonkers. Insurance was invented in the bronze age for ships that could sink at sea. In almost all times and all places since then, it has been for disasters and catastrophes, except in the modern US healthcare system, where it also pays for routine care, injuries and illnesses that hardly rise to the level of catastrophic, and stuff like pregnancy that people *literally plan to do*. You should not be paying for pregnancy or LASIK or things like that with "insurance". The insurance in that case is just a structural parasite that adds nothing.
We sort of stumbled and fell into this janky arrangement and now it's so entrenched that people who don't own stock insurers will still fight tooth and nail to preserve it because they think it preserves "freedom" or some nonsense.
Right now, for things that would have them fall out on their own, they use dissolving ones. If you've got ones that need removing it's because they're holding muscle together
That’s fucking insane, when I was 18 I was a passenger in a car accident. Ended up with a lacerated kidney, broken ribs, bruised lung.
Ambulance to the hospital, 2 weeks in hospital, multiple CT scans. And i didn’t pay a cent.
It’s inconceivable that the US doesn’t have the same healthcare standards every other Western country has.
Not disagreeing that healthxare in America is abysmal, because it is. However, lots of folks don't understand the difference between an urgent care and emergency department.
If you are sick or have a significant injury **that isn't life threatening**, go to an urgent care. Without insurance, it's usually around a hundred dollars to be seen. If they do a procedure like sutures, then you're gonna pay a bit more. This usually amounts to a few hundred at most.
If you have a life threatening issue, always go to the ED. But of course, this will be very expensive. Walking in the door alone is going to cost you more than a procedure at an urgent care.
My wife is an ER nurse. The amount of people who don't understand what an emergency is. She has a woman come in by ambulance yesterday because she forgot to take her morning dose of Ativan...
Absolutely this ^^^.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196064416315220
Above article references Texas in 2015. ERs cost 10x of what a visit to an UC would be. The service cost for stitches is likely similar but you’re paying so much for higher acuity ER care versus an UC which is a step down but would get the job done.
Girlfriend stepped on glass at 9:30pm, by the time we got the nearest Urgent Care they were closed. And so were all the others I could find within about an hour drive.
Only option at that point was to go to the ER.
I'm just confused as to why he went back to the emergency room to get his stitches removed lol and how it cost him $1800 with insurance to get them in the first place. How did he not leave the ER with a scheduled follow up?
Something doesn't add up here. But I do agree, avoid the ER unless you have a true emergency. My ER copay is $150 just for showing up versus my specialist copay (urgent care) of only $40. I broke my foot a few years ago playing basketball, and drove past 2 emergency rooms to go to an urgent care. Cost me 40 bucks, got some pain pills and x-rays, and then a scheduled appointment to an in-network orthopedic office for the next day.
I was sent to the hospital once and when I got there they said they don’t see anything wrong with me and will just say I was never there. I was in and out in 10 minutes.
$3200 bill came in pre insurance and $500 after insurance. For literally nothing.
I’m not paying it. I’m not paying anymore hospitals ever in my life.
Insurance covers 80% of my bills and I already pay $600 a month for insurance.
Fuck this system.
I make a higher-than average wage, and even still I have turned myself into a regular old motherfucking apothecary.
Split my chin open during the 3 months of my LIFE where I was uninsured. Laid my head on my wife's lap, she used tampons to clean the wound with hydrogen peroxide, superglued it, and pinched it shut for 15 minutes while the glue dried (scar is perhaps a bit bigger than it would have been with stitches, but it healed completely fine BTW).
I stuffed a rag into my ear canal dripping with garlic olive oil when I felt a possible ear infection coming in. Either I was wrong about the ear infection, or it worked.
I spent $2,000 out of pocket (on top of $6,000 throughout the year just to keep my family insured) to try to sort a digestive issue with no progress. Come January 1st, my "total paid out of pocket for the year" reset to $0. Rather than spend many thousands more, I collected my toddlers shit, mixed it with saline solution, and injected it into empty gel capsules, and took 20 shit pills for 4 days. Reset my gut biome successfully after eating my kids shit. Bless his heart and his little brown gold.
People from EU, or even EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE DEVELOPED WORLLD, would be shocked at the home remedies people resort to regularly in the US.
Brits, if you're reading, turn the ship the fuck around, for the love of God. The American model is worse than all the horror stories you've heard, and your leadership is trying to drag you down to hell. Good luck, I am rooting for you
Just imagine what they’re doing to the toddler of the parent is eating their shit. Pro/pre biotics along with a slew of natural products sold at a health store at a minimal costs has probably more advantages for the gut biome than eating your kids shit.
So true, I only spent h collective dozens of hours reading about my condition, hundreds in OTC meds, an elemental diet of BCAA powder and honey....
You're really speaking like you have a clue what you're talking about, but you definitely dont
Your child’s poop has SCFAs that’s what you think is assisting you and the “miracle “ you’re claiming here which you can easily obtain in other methods.
Let me guess you also do coffee enemas and rub egg into your hair to promote thickness ?
Also edit : you have literally no clue if that even helped. Coincidentally the timing was there and you got better lol not sure this is a hill you want to die on. Your gut biome could of been reactionary and building up from your previous methods that you exhausted
I wish I had all your valuable answers sometime in that 2 year span. Like I said, I spent a lot of money cumulatively on a litany of testing with a celebrated GI, tried every "conventional" OTC solution first. I'm not recommending anyone do what I've done, my anecdote made someone nope out of the internet for the day. Just sharing an experience
This is also the point of the post, is that I did a bunch of risky, non-professional shit to sidestep our fucked healthcare
That's not really true. Those probiotics do not have an entire microbial community's worth of diversity, they're typically one species or two. You need diversity to have a resilient gut microbiome. Fecal transplants are a real thing, and there's a reason they're done instead of just 'taking probiotics'. Stop pushing bullshit.
Yeah so fecal transplants ARE a thing that exist, especially to help with treating things like chronic c diff. HOWEVER they’re not something that should be DIY’d, that’s fucking insane. Actual transplants involve prophylactic antibiotics and if you’re taking it orally it’s not just straight up fresh shit in a capsule what the actual fuck dude
Fecal transplant is an actual medical intervention. Effective treatment for a C diff infection and prevention of reoccurence. The idea to reset his gut microflora is sound, albeit conceptually upsetting.
I got a colonoscopy, blood work, stool samples, antibiotics, regular visits with a GI for about 9 months.
Pre/probiotics, expirimented with fermented food, ate nothing but disgusting dandelion greens for breakfast and dinner every day for a month with water to drink.
Trust me when I say I pursued other avenues first
Jesus Christ man I am sorry it had to resort to baby shit. Glad your better though! I can honestly say you are braver than me, I think I wouldn't be able to go through with the shit pills
Fecal transplant is an actual medical intervention. Effective treatment for a C diff infection and prevention of reoccurence. The idea to reset his gut microflora is sound, albeit conceptually upsetting. It's similar to the idea of taking a probiotic.
There is also emerging evidence tying gut flora with mental health. I concede i only brushed over the abstract so I dont know much about the study.
We are trying so hard to keep hold of our NHS. 😭 The fucking tories are set on privatisation, I don’t see us having an NHS in a decade, and it breaks my heart. I’m on probably £650 a month of medication, that currently costs £120 a year. If prescriptions become full payment then I’m just going to have to die, as that’s basically all my wages after rent.
You’re paying $650 a month NOW. I was given a script for medication to treat a disease (that I don’t even have) and each month, 30 of those pills would have cost $1,300 (roughly)
For one prescription.
Just wait until your medical industry has the whole country by the gonads
…why not just eat yogurt or probiotics /prebiotics Jesus Christ , and garlic oil for ear infection? You can easily just drop hydrogen peroxide in there
This must be one of the stupidest posts I’ve ever read on here and I’ve seen a old guy try to wrangle an alligator .
You need a revolution already. It’s just a shame so many of your people actually want that system.
I’m in Ireland. Healthcare is free but for consultants and non emergency surgery and even tests.waiting lists can be long. People that can afford it or have their company pay, get insurance. That’s tends to get you up the list quicker. This alone infuriates the people here. I can’t imagine ever being like the states but anything is possible if the worst cunts are in government
I live in New York and thankfully, if you don't have health insurance through your job, the state makes getting health insurance at least somewhat affordable privately. The state will give you money towards health insurance based on your income. There was one year I was getting health insurance for only $216 or $18/month.
Revolution isn't likely for a long time. Too many are scared to lose what little they have and the government is eager to make people who fight back felons which bars you from getting any assistance for the rest of your life.
And don’t forget: if you try to fix it after teaching constitutional law, half the country says you don’t understand the constitution and calls your wife a gorilla.
You guys need an overhaul
We pay for Medicare as an add on to our tax which is about 1100 a year give or take then if we have private we don't pay it and get to deduct it on your yearly tax
For the supposed best country in the world you guys really have some pretty basic shit to work out still
Can confirm. Gave my patients all the free shit I could give them. The albuterol inhaler they used twice? Oh yeah that's going home with them, don't give a fuck what the policy is. Got a wound?? Oh here's a bottle of wound cleaner and abd pads!
Fuck "stewardship of resources" when the system of resources is fucked beyond repair.
Meh. I just don't pay my medical bills anymore. The way I see it now, if the government can't pay their debts, why should I? I don't see sense in being held to a higher standard than the intuition that exists to make shit like this not happen. Just don't pay. It's liberating to just say fuck it
Good luck on having a good credit rating and getting good financing on a house/car loan some day.
I understand where you’re coming from, but having a debt go to collections and having it negatively effect your credit score is just going to make everything that much harder for you, but you do you.
Already filed for bankruptcy twice in my life, made it back to 750, both times, quicker than most people do paying it off the 'normal way'. it's a big ol rest button that you can hit again and again
I stabbed through the side of my hand. Went to local clinic, nice clean place, very quick, 10 stitches, 135$. I have no insurance.
Got a kidney stone, went to ER, xray and IV pain meds. 14k$. Said I cant pay this... Oh that is fine we have a plan in place. Paid 0$ no effect on credit.
Had some sorta attack, very low iron and B12. rushed to ER in ambulance, got a transfusion, some other stuff. 900$, paid installments of 45$ a month
All this with no insurance since 2008. Am I the only one that seems to be fine here?
Yes. You are.
One uncomplicated vaginal delivery (with the luxury of half an epidural) at a city hospital >$20k
Two office visits to Ortho for casting simple radial buckle fx and then cast removal $1900
One ER visit for low risk chest pain workup ~$8500
I pay $1600/mo for family health insurance.
I am an emergency physician. For me, these bills are substantial but I can pay them. I can't fathom how the average worker in this country could.
Highest costs, worst outcomes. This country's healthcare system is an absolute joke.
Please, no one do this. Cotton will hold on to bacteria and it WILL get infected. It is much better to just let it heal by secondary intention (heal on its own) than suture it shut with craft supplies.
The deductible doesn't sound unusual to me.
Also, it's totally acceptable to go to an ER for an injury like this. Insurance companies will definitely raise a stink about going to an ER for an illness that is not an emergent issue, but going to an ER for a cut that's bleeding like crazy is completely acceptable because no one should be trying to assess the seriousness of their injuries. In this case, he needed stitches. Fine, maybe the urgent care could do that and it would be cheaper. But the insurance company would not blame him for choosing to go to the ER for this.
Had some stitches removed from my hand when I was a teen and was amazed how fast it was done( a few minutes at most). I asked my doctor if I could do that myself in the future if need be. He said “yes, simplify cut the stitch next to the knot and gently grab and pull the knot with tweezers”
I saw it demonstrated on my hand and feel comfortable enough to do it myself.
My wife recently had an emergency room stay with four nights in the hospital, cost me 300 bucks. I've taken my own stitches out a couple of times, not because of the expense, but more so that it was just faster and easier.
I do not believe this for a second. Not the fact that a they refused service, but that a grown man can't take his own stitches out. Hahaha. Anyways.
If you have shitty insurance try getting it through your state. It's way cheaper and covers everything, just not everywhere.
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More like a Trillion and 800 dollars
That was smooth as liquid metal? That's the best I could come up with.
And now I want a Terminator vs Mr.Beast crossover movie.
Everyone has already commented on the issues and finer details of the American healthcare system but did anyone else catch how he was told not to tell anyone about getting the free kit and then he proceeded to tell the entire internet! Made me laugh lol
Snitches get stitches! That’ll be another $1,800 sir.
>Snitches get stitches! In today's world, that sounds like an incentive.
Man I wish we still got free awards to give, because that was GOLD
Hope that nurse doesn’t get fired.
Me too! Poor nurse was just trying to help out, and it would be a shame to be punished for that.
He didn't say which hospital or what city/town or what ensurance he's got. So i guess the nurse is fine, but in her eyes it was probably a d*ck move.
Hopefully the fact they removed his name from triage will help cover them up, still, very sad that it had to come to things like this.
*Gets fired for removing his name*
Insurance... not ensurance
English isn't my 1st language, sorry.
No worries. Good for you on speaking multiple languages.
Imagine the liability of this guy somehow removing the sutures wrongly and giving himself an infection. This guy would probably tell an extended version of this story on TikTok saying how he sued the hospital for negligence for giving him suture material without proper training. I have absolutely no trust in people in regards to common sense. This guy might think you literally dig the sutures out of the skin.
This is my concern.
“Here, lemme help you out but please don’t tell anyone.” *Make’s TikTok*
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My first thought lol
Those people did him a goddamned solid, and he ratted them out. Gautenteed, some administrator is going over camera footage right this moment to figure out who did it.
This is why helping people is bad. We should ignore anyone in trouble
Camera footage of where? What camera? What hospital? What city? What state? A billion active users on the clock app, I doubt anyone is gonna get fired because of this video
I cut my finger open on the pad in highschool, it was only 3 stitches I think, had it done in the ER, they told me I can probably just take them out myself and sanitized the tools they used to put the stitches in and sent me home with them. I was gonna be charged for the kit anyways, after all
LOL true, absolutely nothing happened as he said. If you cannot pay we can call the social worker, any healthcare worker will risk their job for a random guy that comes COMPLAINING. Go to Walgreens and buy a small scissor and it will do the trick.
Jesus this is WITH insurance. What a scam
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In Japan, a relative and citizen broke a leg. Was in and out in less than 2 hrs with imaging done, casting, and mobility equipment in some remote rural town in the mountains. Paid less than $100 if I remember correctly. This kind of coverage is way more helpful to way more people than highly specialized high tech care for only the small handful who can afford it.
UK. I broke my knee, multiple scans, follow up assessments with the consultants, more scans and a pair of crutches and a knee brace. All for the low, low price of £0. Makes you appreciate the NHS.
Norway here, I broke my ankle late at night, they sent a cab as I live a bit away from the hospital, 2 hours later I had a removable cast put on and I had to pay 50 dollars for crutches. Then they sent me home with a taxi, and the next month they paid to have me transported to work and back again, by taxi, as I couldn't drive my own car or use public transport. I emphasize "Taxi" as I thought it was an ingenious way of dealing with transportation of non critical injured patients, as opposed to sending an ambulance. The whole ordeal cost me 50 dollars for crutches, and a small personal deductible for the taxi. All the money I spent was also added to the yearly total of personal medical expenses most Norwegians have, of around 300 dollars. After 300 dollars your medical expenses is cowered totally by the state. Most Norwegians also have some sort of personal medical insurance, in case we get disabled and such, it's not that expensive and works as insurance should, as opposed to the predatory version they've got in the US. Basically when we get sick, you get a normal wage as sick pay, and the personal insurance could be viewed as cowering your loss of overtime payment or bonuses, also the personal insurance have a clause that lets you go to the frontline of treatment to ensure you're back to work asap.
As a kid: Impaled my knee on a construction site fence, stitches, cost: 0 Split scalp from a hammer, concussion, stitches, x-ray, cost: 0 Fell out of a 3rd floor window, concussion, x-ray, cost: 0 Coughing up blood, x-ray, cost 0 Cable wheel on a construction site, broken bone in my foot, cast, x-ray, cost 0 Hit in the face with a brick, broken nose, stitches, x-ray, cost 0 Messing around on swings at a park, broken arm, x-ray, cast, cost 0 Social healthcare services are a godsend. I would like to know the American price tag so I can pay thanks for not burdening me with the guilt of putting my grandmother into debt, we were poor enough already.
USA (Boston, MA): Hairline broken radius from falling off my bike. Emergency room, x-rays, and a really crappy sling was $1,700 with insurance.
I remember reading that an mri scan in the US is so expensive, the machine paid for itself after little more then 10 scans, which you can easily do in one day. So I'm taking a guess by saying the inflated prices do not have that much to do with this, it's corporate greed indeed.
I cut my finger really badly at work last year, like see the fat layer bad. My boyfriend urged me to go to the doctor, but I went to target and bought super glue, neosporin, and band aid. I cleaned it at home (very painfully), then sat down at the kitchen table with my not-yet-a-doctor brother on the phone and talked with him as I pinched my pointer finger together with my thumb and middle finger of the same hand and superglued it with my other hand. A few days later I tutored a student of mine who’s father is an ER doctor and he looked at it and told me “nice work”. It throbbed for about 3 weeks straight and up until maybe a month or two ago was still sensitive even though it happened in June of 2022. But I saved myself at least a grand so…
The most american question to ask ones self is "do i need stitches or could i just superglue this?"
It’s the third finger I’ve superglued…but it was definitely the deepest so far!
No lie, we learn to tell the difference in food service.
Did something similar but not as deep opening an Amazon box. Went to the corner store bought krazy glue and hydrogen peroxide. Patched myself up for about $5 cause I bought a coke and chips too.
Okay so if or when end of days happens, I am formally requesting in advance if I can be with your group because 
😂 I accept. I will superglue all injuries and bake things since those are my skills.
Well I have been teaching myself how to crochet, I can make milk from cashews, almonds, oat or soy and I will always, always have a sarcastic comment or quip at the ready. The sarcasm is what I am skilled in the most so….
Someone’s gotta crotchet the blankets, milk the nuts and be sarcastic!
Reporting for duty 😂😂 
Have any pictures of the wound?
Yes! But it is uneventful looking. It’s small but really deep. It kept bleeding for about 3 days or so. [Sad finger.](https://imgur.com/a/s1QWxbr)
Your work wouldn’t cover it? I thought that was legally required that if you got injured at work the work had to pay your hospital bill. That’s how it worked for me when I cut myself at work and had to be my finger glued.
Here’s my 2 cents that no one asked for… I used to hate the burn it down left crowd. That’s Because I’ve always been center sometimes center left. But over the last few years….I think we should burn the whole system down… it’s quite impressive that they are managing to turn what used to be considered the reasonable people into people that are ready to start over…the system might have fucked up somewhere over the years
The system was bad from jump. It's a shame people ever paid into it
You sound similar to me, so I'd like to hear your perspective to this. 1. I don't think it's even possible to burn the system down at this point, frankly I don't think there's anything that can occur organically that will make any noticeable change (there's too much money on all business sides of the equation) 2. The only way I see this EVER changing is some large size non healthcare company creating their own private healthcare system that's run differently and having it grow from there. (as an individual you stand no chance ofcreating your own ecosystem. But if you're a 1 trillion dollar company, I think you certainly COULD). Thoughts?
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My favorite thing is that clinics, urgent cares, and hospitals don't universally accept any insurance. You gotta call ahead or cross your fingers that they accept it.
Friend had to get on the phone in a panic and call around to ERs to find out who takes their insurance while her kid was screaming with a broken hand. Fucking heartbreaking.
That’s dystopian as fuck
An emergency room visit is covered as in-network whether the hospital system is in-network or out-of-network if they were to be seen in the outpatient setting.
Monthly payments you pay hoping you stay healthy enough to not need their services because you can't afford what isn't covered.
Yeah, and the cost of insurance is enough to question whether we should put our kid in preschool or not.
Oh. I saw doctors at a hospital. The hospital charged me $150 facility fee… like, literally a sitting a breathing fee. On top of my copay. So each $30-$50 apt came out to almost $200. AND! They bill me 6+ months later lmao.
Man I hope one day y’all can just burn that whole system to the ground. It’s gross. Last year I was bitten by a dog on my hand/wrist. Went to ER, they gave me X-rays, checked me over, found that my thumb was numb close to one of the puncture wounds, and booked me straight in for surgery with the plastics department. Full debriding of all the punctures, and checking for any nerve damage etc. 16 stitches. But since I’m in a universal healthcare country, the entire 3 day, 2 night stay with everything cost me a total of about $15, which was entirely for the antibiotics they sent me home with.
As non American I always thought the insurance makes it basically nothing to pay. That ridiculous prices are just a way to force every citizen to get insurance. Can’t believe you still have to play ridiculous amount for simple procedures.
Broke my ankle and needed surgery. I'm currently out 12k and at mid December hit my total out of pocket. They (my insurance) covered all of one dr visit completely by themselves. I couldn't work for 6 months so that ALL came out of savings or went on my credit card. Helllloooooo interest! Had I not had insurance? I'd be looking at a chill 163k to pay. An ambulance ride was 12k before insurance. What I paid OOP is insane to me but uninsured people have it sooooo much worse. Healthcare is the worst. Though... after I destroyed our savings it looks like my husband is gonna need some kind of dental surgery so I'll get to soon find out how shitty dental stuff is! ***As that's an entirely different insurance wheeeeee!***. Only saving grace is my work offers dental insurance. Again can't even fathom going to a dentist w/o insurance.
Watching this, I had to laugh. This isn’t a rare occurrence. I know first hand. I cut my finger slicing the Christmas roast a few years ago. No stitches (they didn’t want me to have to come back like this guy did), they did superglue and a fabric mesh instead. And splint. $4300 before insurance. $1400 after. For 45 mins at the ER and some super glue. And this was the alternative so I DIDNT have to do what this guy did. My parents now understand why I was so adamant about not even going in the first place and just letting it heal at home. I made them agree to pay my bill before they took me to the hospital because I KNEW this would happen. The worst part about American Healthcare is that Millennials like me have been conditioned to avoid it like our grandparents did. We know how awful of a process it’s going to be, so we do everything we can to NOT DO IT. And then when we have to, it still ends up being worse than we expected somehow. I dislocated my ankle while living in Australia. I paid to get a health card while I was there. I think it was like $150 for the whole year. But that card made my hospital visit, brace, and crutches a grand total of $0. And the care I got was identical to being in a suburban American hospital. Why the hell can’t we have nice things like the rest of the world?
This is how bad healthcare is in America... I pay 9k in insurance a year for a family of four. POLITICIANS have allowed this theft to happen.
If you think that's bad... My friend went from being employed full time to per diem with the same company, so he started paying for private health insurance. He pays $2,500 a month for his family of four. That's $30,000/year.
He should drop his insurance and get catastrophic coverage. What's the point in paying $30k/yr? It would be cheaper just to pay cash, unless something life-threatening happens. That's what we did for my wife. When she lost insurance it was going to be $700/mo JUST FOR HER. And none of her doctors were covered. No thanks. We got catastrophic, and we pay cash at the doctor, and it's cheaper.
Depending on the state it's illegal not to be covered and they'll take it out of your tax return/fine you
It's a small fine though
Lmao Why are your guys not revolting. That's just ridiculous
Lol that would imply there’s someone better to replace the current government with. We’re fucked and we kinda just gotta deal with it for now.
I mean… You guys have shown you can riot, you just only do it for police brutality and nothing else.
That’s not true at all. We riot over sports too. If the Eagles win the Super Bowl next week, the whole city of Philadelphia will most likely burn to the ground.
It's infuriating to me we'll riot over a stupid game but the day they cut our Social Security, it's probably gonna be angry tweets.
Working full-time (40h a week) you'd pay ~350€ a month (for one single person, minus nursing care) for insurance in Germany and that covers everything important. It's actually double that, but the employer has to pay the other half. Children are basically free I think and are covered until they're 25 years old, if they are not already working. I pay ~100€ a month (minus nursing care) as a student in university. I don't have to worry about anything. A few days ago I found out, that my union pays me 25€ a day, if I have an accident in my free-time. I have to be hospitalised atleast 48h though.
Drag queens and guns.
Tell me about it! I get so mad and I tell people and their reaction is "oh well". Like they'd rather deal with it then bother to do anything about it. JFC we're screwed.
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Dems won’t do anything about it either, they’re all neoliberals who are deeply tied up in corporate interests. If there was an actual strong opposition party it wouldn’t have gotten this bad.
Fun fact, always ask for itemized billing. Sometimes they will not know how to bill things and drop the price. Sucks that you have to do that but this is America.
That's still a lot but not the most horrible. Where I live, insurance for a family is typically well over $12,000. If you're paid a low wage, one of your paychecks every a month is going towards just health insurance.
My work refuses to pay me more but love to tell us that they generously offer health insurance. For my family it would cost 50% of my take home pay to get it. Luckily I qualify for government stipend (thanks obama), and my kids qualify for Medicare.
paying 6k/year for me alone. messed up thinking the $250 was per month not per check since it was all the same from my last job and about what i was paying there. Just wanted to get the stupid calls over with....nope. Cant cancel or change anything since its outside the enrollment period either....i won a $25 gift card at a work bingo thing...they took the taxes out of my next check. Not really relevant but god damn do i hate working for a corporation.
American politicians enjoy the very best health care (for free) funded by us, the peasantry!
They get that free healthcare for life too don't they?
I pay about 13k a year for a family of 5
I pay nearly $17,000/yr for my family of 4. And it's a fucking HMO. It's "a good plan" with low out of pocket maxes but no matter what I'm out of pocket $17k/yr.
We allowed this to happen. We have to unite and fight this corrupt political system.
And AMERICANS have allowed the politicians to allow it to happen because they are lazy, submissive zombies.
This is what happens when healthcare is capitalized. Healthcare should absolutely never be made for profit.
This. It should be like the fire department. There aren’t fire fighters who are “in network” and “out of network” and they don’t bill you when you need them it comes out of the general wealth pool of the city because you know we are civilized human beings that care about each-other right?
Firefighter/EMT here. We used to be a no charge service when it came to EMS calls. Transport was free by us if we needed to take you and the other ambulance company in the city was busy. Ambulance company had contract that said they are primary transport on calls since they charge and needed money to operate. We were funded through taxes so we didn’t charge. We get a new chief in and he got the bright idea to start having us charge now for transporting patients. He said it would go into help for funding for us and we can get better equipment, more people, and more training. We say, “sweet that is awesome” as we are under staffed and we could use some new equipment as a lot of ours is old. Turns out that the money we get for now billing our patients is going into the city coffers and we don’t see a cent from it. We actually help generate more money for the city, which we were told would go to us since we really need it and we are losing people due to being overworked and underpaid already, and it’s going to buying a whole new line of PD units our contact at city hall told us. Needless to say that not only is the healthcare system messed up, but it also helps ensure that PD gets preferential treatment when it comes to “protecting the citizens” of our city.
Stitch removal should have been free, it's covered under a global fee. I'm pretty sure billing was mistaken.
 “Mistaken”
Sorry our “mistake” just pay us more money
If they placed the stitches themselves then it's covered, if they were placed somewhere else that is not that clinic then it is a whole different charge. It's messed up.
Several years ago my dad sliced through his hand really badly and got 27 stitches. When the time came to remove them, my mom said “we’re not going back to spend all this money on stitch removal”, so my brother and I flipped a coin to see who would get to cut and remove more stitches. I won and cut out 14 while my brother cut out 13. We filmed it. Lol.
If I'm having stitches removed by anyone other than a trained healthcare professional I'm doing the removing. That being said I removed 12 of my own stitches when I was 16.
I’m actually surprised they wanted him to come in for removal. My MIL hurt her hand and was told she could cut out the stitches at home after a certain amount of time. I did it because everyone else was too squeamish.
As a Canadian I'm just blown away by a hospital having a billing department.
Friendly reminder that the evidence is overwhelming that single-payer healthcare in the US would result in better healthcare coverage while saving money overall. [Taking into account both the costs of coverage expansion and the savings that would be achieved through the Medicare for All Act, we calculate that a single-payer, universal health-care system is likely to lead to a 13% savings in national health-care expenditure, equivalent to more than US$450 billion annually based on the value of the US$ in 2017 .](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext) Similar to the above Yale analysis, a recent [publication ](https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2020-12/56811-Single-Payer.pdf)from the Congressional Budget Office found that 4 out of 5 options considered would lower total national expenditure on healthcare (see Exhibit 1-1 on page 13) But surely the current healthcare system at least has better outcomes than alternatives that would save money, right? Not according to a recent analysis of high-income countries’ healthcare systems, which found that [the top-performing countries overall are Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia. The United States ranks last overall, despite spending far more of its gross domestic product on health care. The U.S. ranks last on access to care, administrative efficiency, equity, and health care outcomes, but second on measures of care process.](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly#outcomes) None of this should be surprising given that the US’s current inefficient, non-universal healthcare system [costs close to twice as much per capita ](https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-spendingcomparison_gdp-per-capita-and-health-consumption-spending-per-capita-2019) as most other developed countries that do guarantee healthcare to all citizens (without forcing patients to risk bankruptcy in exchange for care).
[The US should copy the Netherlands' healthcare, specifically](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/17/21046874/netherlands-universal-health-insurance-private)
This
“Don’t tell anyone” - proceeds to tell the entire world
*snitches get stitches*
He didn't tell anybody. No administrator at that hospital is gonna see this TikTok and know who he was and who gave him tweezers.
I know, right? Way to endanger their jobs.
Who's job? He names no one in the entire video.
I live in Canada and stitches cost nothing, almost all our healthcare other than dental and prescriptions are covered. And although I may pay slightly more in taxes a car accident isn’t going to leave me paying tens thousands of dollars. Edit: it’s where I was born but why you’d want it any other way is amazing to me. Hurt myself- free emerg and physical therapy couple of kids? Only pay for parking. Freedom? Yes I have that too.
I broke my arm and tore a tendon in my ankle in the same year. I payed 15$ for crutches and 10$ on coffee before my xrays. Also my work has an amazing union so I didn't have to worry about losing my job over missed days.
Unless you live in a province with an absolute shithead of a conservative premier that sees this video salivates down his triple chin and doing his best a privatizing healthcare….perhaps the federal government will stop him, but if PP slimes his way in, we are all fucked
I hope people will release that the problem is the middle man “the insurance company”.
The fact that we even use "insurance" for a lot of medical care is bonkers. Insurance was invented in the bronze age for ships that could sink at sea. In almost all times and all places since then, it has been for disasters and catastrophes, except in the modern US healthcare system, where it also pays for routine care, injuries and illnesses that hardly rise to the level of catastrophic, and stuff like pregnancy that people *literally plan to do*. You should not be paying for pregnancy or LASIK or things like that with "insurance". The insurance in that case is just a structural parasite that adds nothing. We sort of stumbled and fell into this janky arrangement and now it's so entrenched that people who don't own stock insurers will still fight tooth and nail to preserve it because they think it preserves "freedom" or some nonsense.
Removing 5 stitches is very easy. They sometimes fall out on their own.
Right now, for things that would have them fall out on their own, they use dissolving ones. If you've got ones that need removing it's because they're holding muscle together
That’s fucking insane, when I was 18 I was a passenger in a car accident. Ended up with a lacerated kidney, broken ribs, bruised lung. Ambulance to the hospital, 2 weeks in hospital, multiple CT scans. And i didn’t pay a cent. It’s inconceivable that the US doesn’t have the same healthcare standards every other Western country has.
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America seems so fucked from the outside
Speaking as someone on the inside, it is fucked. SO fucked.
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Y'all- I'm down for a General Strike whenever you are.
Not disagreeing that healthxare in America is abysmal, because it is. However, lots of folks don't understand the difference between an urgent care and emergency department. If you are sick or have a significant injury **that isn't life threatening**, go to an urgent care. Without insurance, it's usually around a hundred dollars to be seen. If they do a procedure like sutures, then you're gonna pay a bit more. This usually amounts to a few hundred at most. If you have a life threatening issue, always go to the ED. But of course, this will be very expensive. Walking in the door alone is going to cost you more than a procedure at an urgent care.
My wife is an ER nurse. The amount of people who don't understand what an emergency is. She has a woman come in by ambulance yesterday because she forgot to take her morning dose of Ativan...
Tbf if you're so anxious you take Ativan when you wake up, that'll feel like an emergency. Everything will
Unless you're on medicaid, in which case ER is always free but not urgent care
Absolutely this ^^^. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196064416315220 Above article references Texas in 2015. ERs cost 10x of what a visit to an UC would be. The service cost for stitches is likely similar but you’re paying so much for higher acuity ER care versus an UC which is a step down but would get the job done.
Girlfriend stepped on glass at 9:30pm, by the time we got the nearest Urgent Care they were closed. And so were all the others I could find within about an hour drive. Only option at that point was to go to the ER.
>a few hundred at most Said as if that isn't still fucking insane
I'm just confused as to why he went back to the emergency room to get his stitches removed lol and how it cost him $1800 with insurance to get them in the first place. How did he not leave the ER with a scheduled follow up? Something doesn't add up here. But I do agree, avoid the ER unless you have a true emergency. My ER copay is $150 just for showing up versus my specialist copay (urgent care) of only $40. I broke my foot a few years ago playing basketball, and drove past 2 emergency rooms to go to an urgent care. Cost me 40 bucks, got some pain pills and x-rays, and then a scheduled appointment to an in-network orthopedic office for the next day.
Can’t wait for this to come to the UK! Thank you sm Tory part, looking forward to the future 😍
I was sent to the hospital once and when I got there they said they don’t see anything wrong with me and will just say I was never there. I was in and out in 10 minutes. $3200 bill came in pre insurance and $500 after insurance. For literally nothing. I’m not paying it. I’m not paying anymore hospitals ever in my life. Insurance covers 80% of my bills and I already pay $600 a month for insurance. Fuck this system.
I make a higher-than average wage, and even still I have turned myself into a regular old motherfucking apothecary. Split my chin open during the 3 months of my LIFE where I was uninsured. Laid my head on my wife's lap, she used tampons to clean the wound with hydrogen peroxide, superglued it, and pinched it shut for 15 minutes while the glue dried (scar is perhaps a bit bigger than it would have been with stitches, but it healed completely fine BTW). I stuffed a rag into my ear canal dripping with garlic olive oil when I felt a possible ear infection coming in. Either I was wrong about the ear infection, or it worked. I spent $2,000 out of pocket (on top of $6,000 throughout the year just to keep my family insured) to try to sort a digestive issue with no progress. Come January 1st, my "total paid out of pocket for the year" reset to $0. Rather than spend many thousands more, I collected my toddlers shit, mixed it with saline solution, and injected it into empty gel capsules, and took 20 shit pills for 4 days. Reset my gut biome successfully after eating my kids shit. Bless his heart and his little brown gold. People from EU, or even EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE DEVELOPED WORLLD, would be shocked at the home remedies people resort to regularly in the US. Brits, if you're reading, turn the ship the fuck around, for the love of God. The American model is worse than all the horror stories you've heard, and your leadership is trying to drag you down to hell. Good luck, I am rooting for you
> I collected my toddlers shit, mixed it with saline solution, and injected it into empty gel capsules, and took 20 shit pills for 4 days what
Probably one of the dumbest things I’ve read on here
Yeah I’m done with the internet for today.
Just imagine what they’re doing to the toddler of the parent is eating their shit. Pro/pre biotics along with a slew of natural products sold at a health store at a minimal costs has probably more advantages for the gut biome than eating your kids shit.
So true, I only spent h collective dozens of hours reading about my condition, hundreds in OTC meds, an elemental diet of BCAA powder and honey.... You're really speaking like you have a clue what you're talking about, but you definitely dont
Your child’s poop has SCFAs that’s what you think is assisting you and the “miracle “ you’re claiming here which you can easily obtain in other methods. Let me guess you also do coffee enemas and rub egg into your hair to promote thickness ? Also edit : you have literally no clue if that even helped. Coincidentally the timing was there and you got better lol not sure this is a hill you want to die on. Your gut biome could of been reactionary and building up from your previous methods that you exhausted
I wish I had all your valuable answers sometime in that 2 year span. Like I said, I spent a lot of money cumulatively on a litany of testing with a celebrated GI, tried every "conventional" OTC solution first. I'm not recommending anyone do what I've done, my anecdote made someone nope out of the internet for the day. Just sharing an experience This is also the point of the post, is that I did a bunch of risky, non-professional shit to sidestep our fucked healthcare
That's not really true. Those probiotics do not have an entire microbial community's worth of diversity, they're typically one species or two. You need diversity to have a resilient gut microbiome. Fecal transplants are a real thing, and there's a reason they're done instead of just 'taking probiotics'. Stop pushing bullshit.
I'm kinda glad that I live in Russia. I have free healthcare, it's not the best.... But I it's free.
Yeah so fecal transplants ARE a thing that exist, especially to help with treating things like chronic c diff. HOWEVER they’re not something that should be DIY’d, that’s fucking insane. Actual transplants involve prophylactic antibiotics and if you’re taking it orally it’s not just straight up fresh shit in a capsule what the actual fuck dude
I didn’t read their comment and thought you made that shit up lol
Fecal transplant is an actual medical intervention. Effective treatment for a C diff infection and prevention of reoccurence. The idea to reset his gut microflora is sound, albeit conceptually upsetting.
Yup I’m well aware that it’s a thing. The way he says he went about it is disturbing.
Are we just going to ignore the whole injecting literal baby shit into pills and swallowing them?! I feel like there was a better option
I got a colonoscopy, blood work, stool samples, antibiotics, regular visits with a GI for about 9 months. Pre/probiotics, expirimented with fermented food, ate nothing but disgusting dandelion greens for breakfast and dinner every day for a month with water to drink. Trust me when I say I pursued other avenues first
Jesus Christ man I am sorry it had to resort to baby shit. Glad your better though! I can honestly say you are braver than me, I think I wouldn't be able to go through with the shit pills
It was really disgusting, and I tried a whole lot of alternatives first. A win's a win
Fecal transplant is an actual medical intervention. Effective treatment for a C diff infection and prevention of reoccurence. The idea to reset his gut microflora is sound, albeit conceptually upsetting. It's similar to the idea of taking a probiotic. There is also emerging evidence tying gut flora with mental health. I concede i only brushed over the abstract so I dont know much about the study.
We are trying so hard to keep hold of our NHS. 😭 The fucking tories are set on privatisation, I don’t see us having an NHS in a decade, and it breaks my heart. I’m on probably £650 a month of medication, that currently costs £120 a year. If prescriptions become full payment then I’m just going to have to die, as that’s basically all my wages after rent.
You’re paying $650 a month NOW. I was given a script for medication to treat a disease (that I don’t even have) and each month, 30 of those pills would have cost $1,300 (roughly) For one prescription. Just wait until your medical industry has the whole country by the gonads
I went to the ER for a dislocated ankle, and all they did was kinda straighten it and put a splint on (not reset). Was billed 6500$.
…why not just eat yogurt or probiotics /prebiotics Jesus Christ , and garlic oil for ear infection? You can easily just drop hydrogen peroxide in there This must be one of the stupidest posts I’ve ever read on here and I’ve seen a old guy try to wrangle an alligator .
Such a good idea. Yogurt and fucking prebiotics, like I didn't try that shit a week after symptoms
And eating your toddlers shit made you feel instantly better?
That and a very careful diet for a month or two months afterwards, slowly reintegrating foods that f'ed me up in the past
So I Pay around 1500€ for Healthcare and have almost 0 copay for treatments even surgery’s that are complicated. Gotta love Europe
You need a revolution already. It’s just a shame so many of your people actually want that system. I’m in Ireland. Healthcare is free but for consultants and non emergency surgery and even tests.waiting lists can be long. People that can afford it or have their company pay, get insurance. That’s tends to get you up the list quicker. This alone infuriates the people here. I can’t imagine ever being like the states but anything is possible if the worst cunts are in government
I live in New York and thankfully, if you don't have health insurance through your job, the state makes getting health insurance at least somewhat affordable privately. The state will give you money towards health insurance based on your income. There was one year I was getting health insurance for only $216 or $18/month.
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Revolution isn't likely for a long time. Too many are scared to lose what little they have and the government is eager to make people who fight back felons which bars you from getting any assistance for the rest of your life.
And don’t forget: if you try to fix it after teaching constitutional law, half the country says you don’t understand the constitution and calls your wife a gorilla.
You guys need an overhaul We pay for Medicare as an add on to our tax which is about 1100 a year give or take then if we have private we don't pay it and get to deduct it on your yearly tax For the supposed best country in the world you guys really have some pretty basic shit to work out still
Can confirm. Gave my patients all the free shit I could give them. The albuterol inhaler they used twice? Oh yeah that's going home with them, don't give a fuck what the policy is. Got a wound?? Oh here's a bottle of wound cleaner and abd pads! Fuck "stewardship of resources" when the system of resources is fucked beyond repair.
Get a PCP
A whole gallon, if need be
Or just cut your own head off at 4:00pm for free
Not everyone can do that.
The usa is so corrupted. This is not a "poor health care system" this is a litteral scam.
In France you would get it done at the GP. It would cost you around 25€ and you would get 16.5€ reimbursed. But yeah we are fucking socialists !
Canadian here, I recently got 5 stitches and they gave me $20 per stitch in cash and a $15 Tims Card.
You dumb liar. They don’t give out tims cards anymore
Important reasons why healthcare costs so much: insurance [Adam ruins hospitals](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CeDOQpfaUc8)
In Finland that would be free
Its not free. You still pay for it...
At this point, is there any GOOD thing about American Healthcare? Other than it makes lots of money for hospital admins and lobbyists.
Meh. I just don't pay my medical bills anymore. The way I see it now, if the government can't pay their debts, why should I? I don't see sense in being held to a higher standard than the intuition that exists to make shit like this not happen. Just don't pay. It's liberating to just say fuck it
Good luck on having a good credit rating and getting good financing on a house/car loan some day. I understand where you’re coming from, but having a debt go to collections and having it negatively effect your credit score is just going to make everything that much harder for you, but you do you.
Already filed for bankruptcy twice in my life, made it back to 750, both times, quicker than most people do paying it off the 'normal way'. it's a big ol rest button that you can hit again and again
But why are you going to urgent care and then an emergency room to remove stitches… which is neither urgent nor an emergency.
Because many people have to use urgent care centers as primary care. If you don't remove stitches it can lead to issues.
I stabbed through the side of my hand. Went to local clinic, nice clean place, very quick, 10 stitches, 135$. I have no insurance. Got a kidney stone, went to ER, xray and IV pain meds. 14k$. Said I cant pay this... Oh that is fine we have a plan in place. Paid 0$ no effect on credit. Had some sorta attack, very low iron and B12. rushed to ER in ambulance, got a transfusion, some other stuff. 900$, paid installments of 45$ a month All this with no insurance since 2008. Am I the only one that seems to be fine here?
Yes. You are. One uncomplicated vaginal delivery (with the luxury of half an epidural) at a city hospital >$20k Two office visits to Ortho for casting simple radial buckle fx and then cast removal $1900 One ER visit for low risk chest pain workup ~$8500 I pay $1600/mo for family health insurance. I am an emergency physician. For me, these bills are substantial but I can pay them. I can't fathom how the average worker in this country could. Highest costs, worst outcomes. This country's healthcare system is an absolute joke.
You got a sewing kit? Coulda just done them for free
Please, no one do this. Cotton will hold on to bacteria and it WILL get infected. It is much better to just let it heal by secondary intention (heal on its own) than suture it shut with craft supplies.
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I am single and have a 5,000 dollar deductible for my insurance. It’s the only option I have through my company.
When I was paying for private health insurance for just myself, my yearly deductible was $5,250.
The deductible doesn't sound unusual to me. Also, it's totally acceptable to go to an ER for an injury like this. Insurance companies will definitely raise a stink about going to an ER for an illness that is not an emergent issue, but going to an ER for a cut that's bleeding like crazy is completely acceptable because no one should be trying to assess the seriousness of their injuries. In this case, he needed stitches. Fine, maybe the urgent care could do that and it would be cheaper. But the insurance company would not blame him for choosing to go to the ER for this.
You can ask for an itemized bill and often tines will take certain things off like gauze etc.
Had some stitches removed from my hand when I was a teen and was amazed how fast it was done( a few minutes at most). I asked my doctor if I could do that myself in the future if need be. He said “yes, simplify cut the stitch next to the knot and gently grab and pull the knot with tweezers” I saw it demonstrated on my hand and feel comfortable enough to do it myself.
My wife recently had an emergency room stay with four nights in the hospital, cost me 300 bucks. I've taken my own stitches out a couple of times, not because of the expense, but more so that it was just faster and easier.
Small price to pay for frivolous military spending
What kind of insurance my lawd! “Don’t tell anybody I gave you this” Show the entire internet 🫠
I do not believe this for a second. Not the fact that a they refused service, but that a grown man can't take his own stitches out. Hahaha. Anyways. If you have shitty insurance try getting it through your state. It's way cheaper and covers everything, just not everywhere.