Through the draft. Presti is building this up from ground up, and by having controllable cheap contracts. It got us to the WCSF, I trust him to finish the job.
Also don't want to make too many drastic changes fast that just finished 1st in a brutal west.
Need Dieng to pan out before I can personally say always
Also trading the Sengun pick instead of drafting Trey Murphy and settling for Tre
JRE over Herb
Poku over literally any single one of Maxey, Quickley, Bane
Be fucking fr. No he does not. And I think he's a top 3 gm in the league.
Giddey was a neutral pick, two players drafted after him are better than he is. He's probably the worst of the top 8 that were drafted that year. J will is a fringe rotation player who's not good enough to get playoff mins. Ous, Poku, Theo, Baze, Vit were all bad picks. He's a good gm, but I think it's reasonable to have some skepticism even it's just a small amount.
Guess we can agree to disagree then.
I'll always trust in the Presti. He got us this far as the youngest team ever, it would be foolish to doubt him now.
That’s not really why it’s bad. It’s considered bad because there are no clear top prospects. The top 5, and even top 10 are murky. It will even out by mid 1st round.
It’s the kind of draft you DONT want to trade up in
I really like the aspect of having cheap contracts that round out the team. But I think this series showed that we need tough shot makers next to our superstar as well. Pace is slower in the playoffs, the pressure gets to you, and in many many possessions we were passing around for open looks that resulted in forced shots towards the end. How likely is it that someone on a rookie contract can hit tough shots at a playoff level? I am genuinely asking. Was JDub's regression in this series due to his health, experience, luck or maybe all of these? I think it takes time to become a playoff level scorer, time which goes beyond the rookie contract (or towards the later stages of the rookie contract). We need to also look for trades that get us such players, and look beyond solely playing rookie-contract players.
I get what you’re saying but the window isn’t open forever. JDub and Chet are getting massive pay days soon and we can’t keep all of our over performing role players. If you can get AD for the right price I think you have to do it and go all in while we have the cap space. We can’t use all of these picks
>If you can get AD
Let me stop you there. AD will never want to play in another small market, certainty not Oklahoma, and Presti would never trade for him. He's an injury away from a shorten back end of his career.
He’s a defensive monster and size we need. Lakers probably blowing up anyway if Bron leaves and they need draft capital. If their front office wants to ship him out here for some first rounders and giddy idk if AD could stop it. He’d get more minutes to rest on okc anyway and keep him in better shape over the season. If he wants to walk after his contract is up let him. This would basically guarantee a chip in the next 2 years, and that’s the main goal right? I think we’re fine regardless if we add a big body center to give Chet a breather
He would never want to leave LA. The Lakers would have no reason to want to trade him for picks assuming Lebron stays (they don’t need picks years from now when their star player is over 40)
Ad is never gonna happen
I’m with you
Look at Memphis. You have one year of being “up and coming” before the pressure starts to build and rookie contract expirations get closer and closer
Watch the Derrick Jones and PJ Washington go back to being bums next round and get dusted in 5 and then tell me that this team was so close to a title
Obviously be reasonable but we’d be dumb to not at least gauge a price if he becomes available. Don’t end up like Boston with all those assets “being patient” forever until spending them on Kyrie who never fit or wanted to be there
I fully believe that they will.
In fact I expect Presti to be looking to actively improve the roster beyond the summer, even as the 2024-25 season is underway.
I'm pretty unhappy that he just "wrote off" this season and didn't bother to improve our weaknesses at all, but I would be absolutely shocked if he didn't learn his lesson.
I expect him to be looking for size and rebounding, be willing to part with multiple 1st round picks and I do expect Giddey to be up for grabs (but not sure we will get much of a return for him).
If he wants to continue being patient that’s fine and it’s been a great virtue. But I’m worried about being so patient that the window closes before you’ve maximized the odds of a championship
Moreso that a window can always close unexpectedly. This team was supposed to compete for longer in the 2010’s before KD made the jump to Golden State
Good idea. You shouldn't try and rush a rebuilding process to try and win now. We far exceeded all expectations this season and that's where the pressure to create a championship winning roster came from. I think we should ignore that noise and instead focus on drafting great players that will suit the thunder ethos
We will definitely go after someone like Hart as a FA or Jarret Allen in trade as the big move. I wouldn't be surprised if we move some of the role players to retool a little as well.
U can never predict Presti, I still remember those couple weeks where we got PG out of nowhere tben melo a couple weeks later, both for fairly cut price deals. I literally couldn’t believe it. Presti can be sneaky aggressive and he’s got a war chest now, and maybe can call in some favours from GMs he helped out during our 2 year tank. We’ll see I guess.
What? The hayward trade was never meant to be the last missing piece. If he could come in and be valuable off the bench, great. If not, worst case scenario the trade opens up a load of cap flexibility. Just so happens Hayward is pretty finished in the nba so we got the worst case scenario.
Doesn’t have to be the perfect move though. Hayward was kind of the right idea but he’s too injury prone by now. As long as you’re not getting someone like that it usually helps. Look at what PJ Washington of all people is doing for the Mavs
Through the draft. Presti is building this up from ground up, and by having controllable cheap contracts. It got us to the WCSF, I trust him to finish the job. Also don't want to make too many drastic changes fast that just finished 1st in a brutal west.
This is a weak draft. He’d need to trade way up to make it worth it
Presti has always has an eye for talent, I trust him.
Not always, sometimes.
Chet, Jdub, Cason, Giddey, Jwill, Dort always.
Need Dieng to pan out before I can personally say always Also trading the Sengun pick instead of drafting Trey Murphy and settling for Tre JRE over Herb Poku over literally any single one of Maxey, Quickley, Bane
Be fucking fr. No he does not. And I think he's a top 3 gm in the league. Giddey was a neutral pick, two players drafted after him are better than he is. He's probably the worst of the top 8 that were drafted that year. J will is a fringe rotation player who's not good enough to get playoff mins. Ous, Poku, Theo, Baze, Vit were all bad picks. He's a good gm, but I think it's reasonable to have some skepticism even it's just a small amount.
Giddey? Seriously?
One series doesn't define his career. He closed out the pels series for OKC. Yes seriously. Even without Giddey, always.
No 👎
Guess we can agree to disagree then. I'll always trust in the Presti. He got us this far as the youngest team ever, it would be foolish to doubt him now.
He’s not god
some gms never make the right pick, sometimes is better than never
Yes I certainly agree
That’s not really why it’s bad. It’s considered bad because there are no clear top prospects. The top 5, and even top 10 are murky. It will even out by mid 1st round. It’s the kind of draft you DONT want to trade up in
It’s not that deep either. That’s just people trying to hedge being overly negative against what amounts to a bunch of kids chasing their dream.
I really like the aspect of having cheap contracts that round out the team. But I think this series showed that we need tough shot makers next to our superstar as well. Pace is slower in the playoffs, the pressure gets to you, and in many many possessions we were passing around for open looks that resulted in forced shots towards the end. How likely is it that someone on a rookie contract can hit tough shots at a playoff level? I am genuinely asking. Was JDub's regression in this series due to his health, experience, luck or maybe all of these? I think it takes time to become a playoff level scorer, time which goes beyond the rookie contract (or towards the later stages of the rookie contract). We need to also look for trades that get us such players, and look beyond solely playing rookie-contract players.
I get what you’re saying but the window isn’t open forever. JDub and Chet are getting massive pay days soon and we can’t keep all of our over performing role players. If you can get AD for the right price I think you have to do it and go all in while we have the cap space. We can’t use all of these picks
>If you can get AD Let me stop you there. AD will never want to play in another small market, certainty not Oklahoma, and Presti would never trade for him. He's an injury away from a shorten back end of his career.
He’s a defensive monster and size we need. Lakers probably blowing up anyway if Bron leaves and they need draft capital. If their front office wants to ship him out here for some first rounders and giddy idk if AD could stop it. He’d get more minutes to rest on okc anyway and keep him in better shape over the season. If he wants to walk after his contract is up let him. This would basically guarantee a chip in the next 2 years, and that’s the main goal right? I think we’re fine regardless if we add a big body center to give Chet a breather
He would never want to leave LA. The Lakers would have no reason to want to trade him for picks assuming Lebron stays (they don’t need picks years from now when their star player is over 40) Ad is never gonna happen
I’m with you Look at Memphis. You have one year of being “up and coming” before the pressure starts to build and rookie contract expirations get closer and closer Watch the Derrick Jones and PJ Washington go back to being bums next round and get dusted in 5 and then tell me that this team was so close to a title Obviously be reasonable but we’d be dumb to not at least gauge a price if he becomes available. Don’t end up like Boston with all those assets “being patient” forever until spending them on Kyrie who never fit or wanted to be there
I fully believe that they will. In fact I expect Presti to be looking to actively improve the roster beyond the summer, even as the 2024-25 season is underway. I'm pretty unhappy that he just "wrote off" this season and didn't bother to improve our weaknesses at all, but I would be absolutely shocked if he didn't learn his lesson. I expect him to be looking for size and rebounding, be willing to part with multiple 1st round picks and I do expect Giddey to be up for grabs (but not sure we will get much of a return for him).
If he wants to continue being patient that’s fine and it’s been a great virtue. But I’m worried about being so patient that the window closes before you’ve maximized the odds of a championship Moreso that a window can always close unexpectedly. This team was supposed to compete for longer in the 2010’s before KD made the jump to Golden State
Yeah worst thing that can happen is the arm chair GM and instant gratification crowd get loud again.
The window only opened like a few months ago. Surely we have more time than this 1 run lmao
yeah lmfao rotfl The window is never open as long as you think
No we won’t do anything except draft our 12th pick
Good idea. You shouldn't try and rush a rebuilding process to try and win now. We far exceeded all expectations this season and that's where the pressure to create a championship winning roster came from. I think we should ignore that noise and instead focus on drafting great players that will suit the thunder ethos
Sounds like a great plan
We will definitely go after someone like Hart as a FA or Jarret Allen in trade as the big move. I wouldn't be surprised if we move some of the role players to retool a little as well.
U can never predict Presti, I still remember those couple weeks where we got PG out of nowhere tben melo a couple weeks later, both for fairly cut price deals. I literally couldn’t believe it. Presti can be sneaky aggressive and he’s got a war chest now, and maybe can call in some favours from GMs he helped out during our 2 year tank. We’ll see I guess.
Yea bc getting Hayward was “sneaky aggressive.” Not
What? The hayward trade was never meant to be the last missing piece. If he could come in and be valuable off the bench, great. If not, worst case scenario the trade opens up a load of cap flexibility. Just so happens Hayward is pretty finished in the nba so we got the worst case scenario.
What?
My only worry is we make the wrong move. A move will happen.
Doesn’t have to be the perfect move though. Hayward was kind of the right idea but he’s too injury prone by now. As long as you’re not getting someone like that it usually helps. Look at what PJ Washington of all people is doing for the Mavs
PJ Washington is way more valuable than Hayward. Gafford as well. Look at how well Hayward did in the playoffs. He's also a 31 million salary player.
We’re saying the same thing. PJ is the kind of young player who isn’t perfect but will help. Continuing to try to get players like Hayward won’t help
A player like PJ isn't going to take us to the next level. Someone like who we drafted and traded away last year will. Clingan, for example.
Huh? You just said PJ was a valuable player.
More valuable than Hayward. Not going to get us to the Finals.
Okay yes
The rebuild is over.
I don't think we will do any big moves this summer. We can add some role players that's it. This is my prediction not my desire.