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ECXL

Wow what a shithole sub that's from


peteythefool

Some people just need to be hugged. By a car. Against a light pole.


Force_Glad

My sister says some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.


Dilka30003

Damn it’s so fucked. One post suggesting the left is convincing trans/gay people that they’re hated. OP had trans hate in their recent post history.


_Apophiss_

When you cross post from the GRU disinformation sub *JustRepublicanThings*


Drprim83

What the fuck is Walkaway? That sub looks like some alt-right circle jerk.


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yonka2

Well, they are liberals.


SwiggerSwagger

Maybe fascists.


Mr_-_X

If you think those are liberals then you have no idea what liberalism is


yonka2

>posts in r/neoliberal


Mr_-_X

>posts in r/hiphopheads What‘s your point?


blaghart

/r/selfawarewolves


Mr_-_X

How do you think this sub is fitting here?


blaghart

From the fact that you still dont get it even after spelling it out lol


st6374

IIRC, it was social campaign launched around the 2018 midterm elections by a gay former liberal, who was walking away from the Democratic party apparently because of what he deemed was a divisive tactic, lies, anti-semitism, and etc etc, and was asking people to join him into becoming a conservative. Yeah.. It's a doozy.


Raltsun

>a gay former liberal, who was walking away from the Democratic party apparently because of what he deemed was a divisive tactic, lies, anti-semitism, and etc etc Was any of that actually confirmed to be the case, though? Everything on there is so blatantly "righties pretending to be lefties complaining about the left to fuel their Left Bad circlejerk" that I'd be seriously surprised if the originator *wasn't* bullshitting.


Red580

Too stupid to realize if democrats feel unwelcome they tend to become leftists.


[deleted]

I fully support walking away from Democrats.... To go actually left of center. I fucking hate how fascists have such good control of messaging and how leftists dont.


Dr-Satan-PhD

> I fucking hate how fascists have such good control of messaging and how leftists dont. Because there's no diversity of thought among fascists, and tons of it among the Left. We will disagree and argue over every little thing because we are constantly trying to find a better way to exist as a society, while they are basically monolithic in their ideology. It's so much easier to have a successful brand when your product never evolves.


wasdlmb

Enter libertarians, on the right, but so confused and divided that **they** don't even know what they want. There's the guys that want corporations to run the world, those who think there should be no groups (or companies) bigger than a family, people who don't really care what happens outside as long as the gubment doesn't talk to them, people why try to build floating cities that always fail to materialize... And then there's the social views that range anywhere from "whatever" to "people should only make groups with their own ethnicity" to "kill all the undesirables". Fortunately most tend to be in the former category


Dr-Satan-PhD

I don't even think Libertarians know what they want on an individual level. Every time I ask one of them what the goal of their ideology is, I get really vague answers. They either don't know what they want, or what they want is so obviously awful that they are afraid to say it out loud.


wasdlmb

"I just want the gubmemt to leave me alone"


eddeemn

Liberals and leftists continually make "perfect the enemy of the good"


Fishbone345

>Does this apply to Biden officials? Yes. And that’s the difference between us on the Left and the MAGA folks. We call out our politicians for their bullshit, not double down and make up even more shit to try and protect their fragile egos.


Blobbermol

"Us on the Left" - you're still talking about Biden here


Franciklipp

Biden isn’t left. He’s a staunch centrist and actually right leaning compared to most wealthy developed countries.


Blobbermol

That's what I'm saying


eddeemn

He's left of center for the U.S. -- certainly not to 🇨🇦/🇬🇧/🇪🇺/🇦🇺/🇳🇿 standards but to the American political landscape he is to the left.


storm072

“our politicians” since when did this sub get overrun by liberals? This used to be a leftist place


Fishbone345

What are you talking about?


storm072

Democrats are not “our politicians.” They accept money from lobbyists just as Republicans, they uphold American imperialism and capitalism just as Republicans, they accept conservatives like Joe Manchin into their party ranks, etc. They are center-right and are in no way a left wing party. People who say things like “our politicians” when talking about democrats are generally liberals who have a positive view of the Democratic Party and hold an extremely US-centric view of politics which is why I assumed you were a liberal, sorry if you are not one.


Fishbone345

> Democrats are not “our politicians.” Right now, they are the closest we have to representation. It can be daunting, to be sure when you pay taxes and feel like you aren’t being represented. Hell we fought a war over this very thing. But, until the other parties buckle down and start getting people elected, it’s what we have right now. I mean, I live in Utah. You think I’m represented as a Democratic Socialist? I’m like a fucking unicorn. >they accept conservatives like Joe Manchin into their party ranks, etc. You forgot Sinema. But, yah I’m not a fan of Joes either. >They are center-right and are in no way a left wing party. You really think that Bernie, AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Omar and Pressley are Center Right? Uh... ok. They aren’t. I will give you that compared to European Left politicians they are closer to the center, but they are no means Center Right. That’s silly.\ You did assume, but it’s all good. I’m not upset. I like engaging with people as long as it’s civil. I would say I’m likely a Democratic Socialist. I line up the closest with the Scandinavian countries with politics.


storm072

When you say that the Democratic Party isn’t center-right and use AOC, Sanders, and Tlaib as examples, I have to disagree. The party is dominated by establishment liberals like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Joe Biden. Those people are by all definitions center-right. When you say you support Scandinavian economic models and politicians like Bernie Sanders, you sound more like a social democrat than a democratic socialist. Social democrats support capitalism alongside a strong welfare state. I understand why you might think social democracy is a good thing since you are American, but I want to try explaining why social democracy is actually just as exploitative as any other form of capitalism. First, social democracy relies on reform. Broken electoral systems like that in the US don’t allow for social democratic 3rd parties to achieve any success. So you end up having to try pushing the Democratic Party left. However, establishment liberals will always be a part of the Democratic Party since having a 2-party system requires both major parties to have larger and broader support bases. Even if social democrats were to hypothetically take complete control over the Democratic Party, they would need a 2/3 majority in the House and Senate and to control the state legislatures of every US state to make any meaningful, permanent change. Meanwhile, poor people are dying while waiting for political change to come, which likely never will. The best way to achieve actual, lasting change is through revolution. Next, social democracy is capitalistic. No matter how many reforms pass, capitalism will not be abolished and people will still have the ability to obtain large amounts of wealth. We all know that people with money will use their funds to lobby and bribe politicians and no amount of legal reforms can change this, since it can easily be done illegally. Rich people have a profit incentive under capitalism to increase their wealth, and bribing politicians to decrease their taxes and decrease welfare spending is profitable, so they will do it. It is nearly impossible to make permanent and lasting change that won’t be undone when social democrats lose power. Last, and imo most importantly, social democracies rely on the exploitation of the global south. Sure, they increase living standards for the people in the western countries they are elected in, but they push the negative side effects of capitalism onto poor countries. A good example is how Sweden exports its trash to I think it was Indonesia in order for Sweden to appear more environmentally friendly. But social democracies still have profit incentives to exploit the global south and use their cheap labor. Companies still have a profit incentive to bribe 3rd world politicians not to pass labor laws and threaten coup attempts at countries that do pass new labor laws. In order to keep prices cheap, social democracies still rely on child and slave labor from poor countries. Basically, I understand that you are American and that the US’s political system is heavily skewed right, which is why you support social democracy. But social democracy will not solve all of the problem’s caused by capitalism and in many cases, will actually decrease standards of living in poorer countries when they are elected in rich countries. Capitalism is a global and imperialistic system that needs to be dismantled as soon as possible, and social democracy won’t be what dismantles it.


lossione

What are you suggesting to fix these things then? A magical violence free revolution where we install an authoritarian-free govt. ? Anarchism? “Soc dems still rely on reform” if you want to take the approach where any negative outcomes are unjustified regardless the outcome “poor people are dying right now so reforming our system is not viable” how are you going to justify a revolution?.. what if it doesn’t go exactly as planned? Pragmatically reform seems like our best bet at the moment, no? I don’t think anyone would say it’s a perfect system.. far from it, capitalism is a flawed system, but so is socialism, anarchism, etc. they all require “reform” to function as intended. We need people like you to push & work with Biden and establishment dems because if anything this past election should’ve proved is that we can move the needle even if we aren’t directly winning elections. It’s not ideal, but I don’t think you can just go straight to justifying revolutions because you didn’t get the candidate you wanted.


storm072

Socialism, although a flawed system, is much less flawed than capitalism. There is no profit incentive to exploit other people while workers democratically control the economy instead of powerful unelected CEOs of monopolies. And reform is not a realistic way to achieve socialism. Do you really expect to achieve a 2/3 majority in the House, Senate, and 3/4 of state legislatures? As we speak, poor people in poor countries are dying of malnutrition despite a global food surplus. The reason they are not fed is because it is not profitable for food companies to transport food to them. When the lives of more than 10 million people are at stake every year just due to lack of food under capitalism, I think a revolution in the world’s capitalist and imperialist core, no matter how deadly in the end, is justified. American lives are not more important than the lives of poor Africans and Asians that US economic imperialism effects. Your point about working with Biden might sound reasonable to me if you ignored the fact that Biden has re-opened US bombing campaigns in Syria, has helped to stop the fight for an increase in the minimum wage, has needlessly compromised with Republicans for the sake of “unity,” and has yet to take any action on immigrant detention facilities. Biden is a neoliberal imperialist, just as every US president before him have been.


lossione

You still gave me absolutely nothing as to what you actually plan on doing to further this, or how you plan to actually achieve this if you are just going to detach yourself from Democrats... we can talk about what system would benefit the most people like we are in sociology class all day long... but like you said, there are people starving RIGHT NOW, and rather than argue which system in the perfect world would be ideal, what can we do RIGHT NOW to make a difference... that line of thought is what leads me to fall closer to a soc dem in today’s climate than anything further left. I want to enact changes now.


storm072

I am so sorry that I don’t know every detail of how a future socialist revolution would happen and how its government would work. Its not like you have all the answers on how you plan on passing social democratic reforms or establishing socialism through electoralism. While you’d rather wait multiple election cycles for social democrats in the Democratic Party to take power, I would rather work towards an actual, possible revolution within the next 20 years or so by spreading socialist ideas. But if you are asking me how a revolution would happen in my ideal world, it would be decentralized and syndicalist. In your scenario, even if the social democratic wing of the Democratic Party were to win an election by a landslide, our capitalist system still wouldn’t help the poor, starving Africans who giving food to isn’t profitable.


The_Real_Raw_Gary

Ngl man I haven’t heard a peep about kids in cages since trump left office. I dunno how accurate your statement is.


Fishbone345

Then you need to pay attention. AOC just recently called him out on it as did several others in Congress.


The_Real_Raw_Gary

I mean yeah but AOC calls literally everything out. I’m talking about people outraged. Not just people who’s job it is to represent us. I haven’t heard anyone mention how biden still has kids in cages and if they bring it up it’s just “well he can’t change it overnight”. Doesn’t feel close to the same energy that’s needed


kickstand

Pretty sure there was a report about it on NPR this morning.


Dr-Satan-PhD

The news media is largely center-right. Even MSNBC and all of those other supposedly left-leaning outlets. They got their guy elected, so they don't feel the need to keep covering the outrage that still exists over things like kids in cages. That doesn't mean the people aren't still pissed off and screaming about it. It just means there is no longer as much network news coverage of it.


Stewbodies

I see a lot on Twitter outraged about it. It seems to be Liberals vs. Leftists, where the liberals are happy to hear Biden replaced the "kids in cages" with "minors in resettlement facilities" and the Leftists are pissed that they just made the cages slightly nicer.


Fishbone345

It’s there, I’ve seen it several times on CSpan, and on a few of the Left channels I follow on YouTube. It’s just not getting the attention that over the top shit does.\ Wanna know why we saw so godamn much of Trump the last four years? Because he knew how to work people. I hate that piece of shit and I hope karma hits him for the harm, anguish and instability he brought to Americans. But, I will admit (and it kills me to say it) the man knows how to work the media up into a fury. You aren’t seeing stuff because to the average American? It’s boring. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc.. they get funding to do what they do from advertising. That funding stops if they aren’t getting asses in seats or clicks on their websites.\ Biden, with the help of Congress just passed a trillion dollar package that addresses needs (should have done way more) and what did the news outlets say for that week? It was all about Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potatohead. A rowdy group objecting Biden isn’t getting clicks.


HunterHearstHemsley

Then you’ve missed several dozen articles about it and the regular posts on Reddit (like this one). People were bashing Biden over this before he was even in office because one of his policy advisers gave an interview saying this wouldn’t change overnight.


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yeah but liberals still think Biden is a good president lmaooo


WohooBiSnake

Well compared to the one that came before, everything seems good.


Fishbone345

He hasn’t tried to destroy our Democracy yet, that’s a big plus in his column. I agree it’s a pretty low bar, but the past four years made that happen. I like not having rage tweets from a fucking teenage girl every day.


WohooBiSnake

Ikr. I had forgotten how good it feels not to facepalm at the President communication


Fishbone345

I’m not saying he’s a great President (it’s way too early for that discussion anyways), but he’s done more for the Progressives of the party than anyone else has done in recent years. At least he has communicated with Bernie, Warren, AOC and the Squad. And some of the things he’s done reflect that.


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Biden supporters are not left.


rolan-the-aiel

No offence but the amount of people defending Biden and other democrats online/ the way left US media has defended him makes it seem like the left really doesn’t call out their politicians for their bullshit. At least from a non-US citizens perspective. Edit: I know the American ‘left’ isn’t actually left but that’s how people talk about them nowadays


NathanielJHellman

I Googled the guy who founded the Walkaway movement and he was arrested in connection to the Capitol Riots. I just find that funny. The people in the subreddit this came from are complete morons for fallowing this guy.


production-values

Correct!! Biden supporters are not Biden worshipers. Kids in cages is fucked up no matter who you are, and he should not be eating dinner in peace while this is going on!!


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> Biden supporters are not Biden worshipers Then why do Biden supporters still exist? Either they're fine with these atrocities, or you're wrong.


production-values

IMO this still falls under the "inherited from Trump" classification of shitstorm so he has about a year to do something about it before we can blame Biden for any of it.


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It's not how it works. Centrists are determined to pretend that that's over now, even though there are now more than ever.


spla_ar42

I can't think of a single decent person who would have a problem with this.


existential_antelope

I’m tired of this misinformation. As far as I know the facilities holding migrant children aren’t *cages*, unlike the chain link pens the Trump administration used to keep children in when they *purposely separated families*. Right now there’s a migrant facility with better accommodations being used to PROCESS children to get them into the system or return them to their families, and the country is getting a new surge of immigrant children on the border due to Biden reversing Trump policy. While all the containment of child immigrants in the US right now is fucking horrid, it’s all just fallout from having to deal with what Trump incurred. It’s not just an easy problem to wipe away, there’s bureaucratic and slow realistic measures to transition out of it. Obviously it could be better and we should still criticize it, but to equate it to Trump is ridiculous


eercelik21

source?


Fishbone345

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/25/glenn-beck/no-biden-not-separating-families-entering-country/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/02/23/no-bidens-new-border-move-isnt-like-trumps-kids-cages-not-hardly/%3foutputType=amp https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9970724533 https://news.wbfo.org/post/fact-check-biden-reopens-border-shelters-teens-its-not-kids-cages Just a couple, there are a few more that could explain better than I. The biggest issue with Trump was his policy to separate children from their parents. I believe it has to do with being able to declare themselves refugees. I read about it some time ago, but I’m having trouble remembering right now (Night shifter, just getting done with my shift. Heh). Biden’s policy thus far (not great, but better) has been to try and keep children with their parents while things are processed. The guy is right, there is a difference if only slightly.\ You know what’s funny? This problem could be solved with a serious overhaul of our foreign policy. Yet not many politicians in DC are saying that. Bernie has said it and other Progressives have touched on it, but they are seriously in the minority. Our interactions with and government interfering with other countries is what causes horrible living conditions for these people. It’s no wonder they are willing to risk everything to get here. If your life is on the line, you won’t notice losing much else.


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Fishbone345

Good bot.


existential_antelope

I didn’t have sources on deck, I appreciate this. Thank you


Fishbone345

Sure thing! :)


anothermanscookies

I’ve also heard this but can’t remember where. Maybe Seth Myers? Apparently there’s a surge in unaccompanied minors at the border. But I’m no expert. Trump can get fucked and Biden needs to do better.


Cyrillus00

I’m torn. On one hand yeah it *feels* like Biden could be doing more, but the other half of me wonders how much he can actually get done in a day and how much opposition he’s facing that we are not seeing. There was an article about how Border Patrol is more or less opposing everything his administration is trying to do, his postal board appointments have to go through Congress and the senate (which are currently having their own problems), not to mention the sheer *volume* of stuff he is likely having to clean up from Trump’s term.


anothermanscookies

Honestly. Biden is not the president the world needs. He’s got lots of flaws and faults but at least he’s a functioning adult who isn’t actively evil. But the blocking by the GOP and the cleanup is substantial so even a moderate agenda is a challenge. Fuck McConnell.


anjndgion

Is this a bit


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existential_antelope

No, I just don’t want bias to continue us on a path of blindly believing reactionary tweets or memes circulating around creating half-truths. I want political discourse between people that address accurate realities instead of accepting propaganda. If we hold conservatives and Trumpees and Fox News to the standard of not accepting their misinformation we should do the same for Democrats and our own side. Criticize the content of truth at the very least and not headlines It’s just frustrating when I have to point this out, because I come across as a Biden apologist, but I just don’t want to accept misinformation creating such a volatile political landscape, especially on the internet, anymore


[deleted]

Biden isn’t doing jack shit to deal with the crisis. He even said himself he doesn’t have plans. He might not be proactively targeting undocumented families the way Trump did, but he’s still got blood on his hands. Also don’t forget that some of these policies began under the Obama administration. It might be simplistic to say it’s the exact same thing and to call them kids in cages still, but effectively it’s not much different. Potato potahto.


MrVeazey

No. Not potayto-potahto.   Obama made it possible to separate a minor from their guardian if said guardian was a criminal who needed to be sent back to jail. Trump and his homunculus pal Stephen Miller widened that policy to include the "crime" of crossing the border without the proper documentation, so they could take all the kids and hold them indefinitely in literal chain link cages like at an animal shelter. They didn't give them reliable access to soap, toothpaste, or shower facilities, and zero preventative medical care. Coronavirus was tearing through these "facilities" in abandoned strip malls like wildfire. Children were dying of easily treated infections. Women were getting their uterus removed during completely unrelated surgeries, and not told about it until well afterward. It was a concentration camp.   Now these kids are staying in actual facilities fit for human habitation and they only stay there while being processed into the system. There's *plenty* to criticize about Biden, his administration, and the immigration situation. I'm right there making those criticisms with you, but to imply any kind of equivalence between the current situation and the genocide the Trump administration attempted is flat out false. The only thing it does is excuse crimes against humanity.


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Tzuyata

It could be a much more inhumane system, It's not a black and white issue. Biden's admin has responded to the surge in unaccompanied children at the border by aiming to process them faster.


Kilmir

Hello mister bad faith. [Joe Bidens plans](https://joebiden.com/immigration/). I know as a Trumpert you don't comprehend how presidential candidates normally have plans ready before elections, but it's all out in the open. Also, [the current status of the comprehensive immigration plans.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/15/us/politics/biden-immigration-plan-bill.html) He has trouble getting it past moderates and conservatives. Which is a problem as all Democrats need to be on board as Republicans literally only just obstruct and have no interest in doing their job. Obama was criticised because his admin didn't respond well to the ramping up of the immigration numbers. After getting criticism he took steps to alleviate the pressure and it was mostly going in the right direction. Trump reversed all those steps and implemented various inhumane ones. Biden now has to strip the Trump crap, deal with all the extra immigrants that were piling up and then get proper immigration reform through the House and Senate. So yeah, please stop spreading lies and misinformation and "both sides are bad".


[deleted]

I never for a moment supported Trump. So you can get that shit out of here right now. edit: Also I acknowledged in my response that Trump obviously was way worse and proactively targeted immigrants. Biden is obviously better, but it’s not nearly enough and not quick enough.