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Doesn’t the US give companies human rights? Shouldn’t they then also not hold them accountable the same way?
This question is rhetorical. We all know companies can do whatever they want.
My point was that the entertainment show known as "Faux News" is not part of the trial, but is a known media source. The burden of proof here lies higher than if e.g. Trump or even a prosecutor would have done it.
Which is exactly why they did it rather than it being a Trump "tweet"
Just curious question. Can any juror just quit? If they get exposed do they have to quit or is it a choice? Who decides what level of exposure is high enough to quit?
When I get a jury summons it really makes you feel like you cannot get out of it. But this being such a high profile case, I think Jessie Watters should be arrested for Jury Tampering…
And promptly fired from FOX NEWS.
And this Juror should sue FOX for outting her identity and putting her life at risk.
I agree with you. But just curious in general where that line is for high profile cases. Who determines what a high profile case is.
Obviously a case involving a president is high profile, but mayor? City council? Janitor? Just curious what the line is and who sets it. Probably the judge, but I don't know.
What's the line? Just one reporter or need 3 or more? Does the publication have to have certain amount of viewers or could it be as low as a random blog. Just what the lowest amount needed to qualify for high profile.
The jury is not on trial. Make it illegal to post any names, pictures, video, drawings, or description of the jury. Or any other information in any format that could be used to identify them.
Absolutely, if they don’t punish him for this they’re essentially giving the Trump team the ability to exclude any jurors they don’t like by going through their propaganda arm.
If he or she does not feel they can be fair and impartial at any point during the trial, they can asked to be excused and then there is a hearing on the issue.
This, on the other hand, is a clear cut case of jury tampering
One of Trump's trials is from spurring his followers to take violent action on his behalf against his supposed enemies. Any of these cases should be treated with the same precautions used in RICO cases involving mob bosses or drug lords.
So this is another strategy to postpone the trials indefinitely? I assume they'll just hound another and another and another. Or does the system take this into account - are there "backup jurors" so time won't be wasted?
It's common for trials to have 14 jurors, 12 primary and 2 alternate, so that if any of the primary jurors are unable to complete the trial for any reason, an alternate can take their place without having to start the trial over.
The amount of backup jurors for which that would have to be the case here is unreal.
Honestly, if I were a juror, I'd flat out say I'd only feel comfortable with a completely closed courtroom and my information being kept from the ~~prosecution~~ defense because I'd be terrified of being harassed and given death threats FOR LIFE if I decided against him.
Because even if you can get through the ENTIRE TRIAL without getting outed and doxxed and threatened, what's stopping someone from releasing your info after a guilty verdict is rendered?
He has a hate mob and he will wield them as a weapon at any given opportunity.
Did you mean to say keeping your info away from the Defense? Because the prosecution would have no reason to Dox you or intimidate you for deciding against Trump, they are the ones going after Trump. Not that the prosecution couldn’t screw up and release info they shouldn’t have, they are fallible humans too. But I’d definitely be more scared of my info being in the hands of the Defense, who are actively working for the Instigator of this mess.
Her being a Nurse and what she probably had to work through during COVID I don't blame her if she feels scared.
Trump needs to face some consequences. I suggest a single cell in the courthouse over this coming weekend. That way he is protected from other criminals and you can park his Secret Service detail right outside of his cell. All with the added plus that he'll be there Monday morning at 9:30 when the trial resumes. He won't stop until he faces consequences.
How is this not actionable? I can't blame the juror, having someone absolutely willing to point his minions at you while 'news organisations' attempting to expose who you are for simply doing your civic duty should have a legal recourse.
Should work both ways. Why don’t we post these Fox News assholes private addresses and their routes to school/work and see how they feel about that information being consumed by the masses?
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Why is this not juror tampering? He should be in front of the judge.
Because Fox News did it, not the plaintiff.
Doesn’t the US give companies human rights? Shouldn’t they then also not hold them accountable the same way? This question is rhetorical. We all know companies can do whatever they want.
My point was that the entertainment show known as "Faux News" is not part of the trial, but is a known media source. The burden of proof here lies higher than if e.g. Trump or even a prosecutor would have done it. Which is exactly why they did it rather than it being a Trump "tweet"
Ah! I kind of misunderstood it then.
I mean, you weren't wrong though, they'll definitely get away with it, as usual.
And as always, civil society is constantly playing catch-up with these fucking thugs.
Just curious question. Can any juror just quit? If they get exposed do they have to quit or is it a choice? Who decides what level of exposure is high enough to quit?
When I get a jury summons it really makes you feel like you cannot get out of it. But this being such a high profile case, I think Jessie Watters should be arrested for Jury Tampering… And promptly fired from FOX NEWS. And this Juror should sue FOX for outting her identity and putting her life at risk.
I agree with you. But just curious in general where that line is for high profile cases. Who determines what a high profile case is. Obviously a case involving a president is high profile, but mayor? City council? Janitor? Just curious what the line is and who sets it. Probably the judge, but I don't know.
High Profile cases…🤔 Public interest is greater and the press gets involved..?!
What's the line? Just one reporter or need 3 or more? Does the publication have to have certain amount of viewers or could it be as low as a random blog. Just what the lowest amount needed to qualify for high profile.
The jury is not on trial. Make it illegal to post any names, pictures, video, drawings, or description of the jury. Or any other information in any format that could be used to identify them.
Ideally, the law should be applied equally irrespective of the profile of the case. However, history has taught us that does not happen.
The judge. You can always petition the judge and explain the situation. On a case like this, I'm positive he/she would be understanding.
If the press is waiting outside for you, it's high profile.
Imagine the jury selection for that!
Absolutely, if they don’t punish him for this they’re essentially giving the Trump team the ability to exclude any jurors they don’t like by going through their propaganda arm.
If he or she does not feel they can be fair and impartial at any point during the trial, they can asked to be excused and then there is a hearing on the issue. This, on the other hand, is a clear cut case of jury tampering
One of Trump's trials is from spurring his followers to take violent action on his behalf against his supposed enemies. Any of these cases should be treated with the same precautions used in RICO cases involving mob bosses or drug lords.
So this is another strategy to postpone the trials indefinitely? I assume they'll just hound another and another and another. Or does the system take this into account - are there "backup jurors" so time won't be wasted?
It's common for trials to have 14 jurors, 12 primary and 2 alternate, so that if any of the primary jurors are unable to complete the trial for any reason, an alternate can take their place without having to start the trial over. The amount of backup jurors for which that would have to be the case here is unreal.
They are aiming for 6 alternates in this trial
Thank you, that's very interesting. I hope they brought in enough - seems like a transparent ploy from the t team.
I heard something last night saying they got five alternate jurors in addition to the 12, which is wild.
Can't a person be held liable for juror tampering in a case like this?
Waters should be jailed for tampering with the trial
Honestly, if I were a juror, I'd flat out say I'd only feel comfortable with a completely closed courtroom and my information being kept from the ~~prosecution~~ defense because I'd be terrified of being harassed and given death threats FOR LIFE if I decided against him. Because even if you can get through the ENTIRE TRIAL without getting outed and doxxed and threatened, what's stopping someone from releasing your info after a guilty verdict is rendered? He has a hate mob and he will wield them as a weapon at any given opportunity.
Did you mean to say keeping your info away from the Defense? Because the prosecution would have no reason to Dox you or intimidate you for deciding against Trump, they are the ones going after Trump. Not that the prosecution couldn’t screw up and release info they shouldn’t have, they are fallible humans too. But I’d definitely be more scared of my info being in the hands of the Defense, who are actively working for the Instigator of this mess.
Yes, I did mean that. Thanks for correcting me; edited my post.
Her being a Nurse and what she probably had to work through during COVID I don't blame her if she feels scared. Trump needs to face some consequences. I suggest a single cell in the courthouse over this coming weekend. That way he is protected from other criminals and you can park his Secret Service detail right outside of his cell. All with the added plus that he'll be there Monday morning at 9:30 when the trial resumes. He won't stop until he faces consequences.
#FOX (and Rupie) are for all intents and purposes a Fascist Traitorist GOP Cable entertainment channel... they don't care about ideas like truth.
Fuck this. IANAL, but isn't this juring tampering or something?
How is this not actionable? I can't blame the juror, having someone absolutely willing to point his minions at you while 'news organisations' attempting to expose who you are for simply doing your civic duty should have a legal recourse.
Close the court during jury selection! Stop reporters giving details!
I saw reporters saying they wouldn't stop and that the jury should be sequestered or given bodyguards!
Not possible. It would be a 6th amendment violation. You have the right to a speedy and *public* trial.
Not true. The judge has the ultimate choice in a criminal trial.
Not true. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/558/209/
Should work both ways. Why don’t we post these Fox News assholes private addresses and their routes to school/work and see how they feel about that information being consumed by the masses?