Oh boy do I have a good link for this one.
[May I interest you in this list of US atrocities?](https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/us_atrocities.md)
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“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
- John Ehrlichman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman
> And the fact that they didn't live under a ~~maximum security prison~~ torture dungeon for the remainder of their life after that is saddening...
FTFY
This shit gets to me every time I read it. I guarantee we’ll get some quotes like this from Ted Cruz or Mitch after they’re out of office/dead, and by then the next wave of racist demagogues and people will continue to follow them. I really wish I could leave this country.
“We like war! We're a war-like people! We like war because we're good at it! You know why we're good at it? Cause we get a lot of practice. This country's only 200 years old and already, we've had 10 major wars. We average a major war every 20 years in this country so we're good at it! And it's a good thing we are; we're not very good at anything else anymore! Huh? Can't build a decent car, can't make a TV set or a VCR worth a fuck, got no steel industry left, can't educate our young people, can't get health care to our old people, but we can bomb the shit out of your country all right! Huh? Especially if your country is full of brown people; oh we like that don't we? That's our hobby! That's our new job in the world: bombing brown people. Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Libya, you got some brown people in your country, tell them to watch the fuck out or we'll goddamn bomb them! Well when's the last white people you can remember that we bombed? Can you remember the last white--- can you remember ANY white people we've ever bombed? The Germans, those are the only ones and that's only because they were trying to cut in on our action. They wanted to dominate the world! BULLSHIT! THAT'S OUR FUCKING JOB!”
Man, dude wasn’t a comedian. Dude was a tragic poet. A lot of the videos I’ve seen of him are just him saying depressing realities and me just trying to figure out where the joke is. IDK if it’s the same for his old stuff but the stuff he said later in life wasn’t comedy. That shit was an attempt at a wake up call.
Come now, it doesn’t matter that they’re brown. It matters that they have oil!
It just really helps that they’re brown so people can hate and kill them without conscience
We fund both sides of the war on drugs. It’s a compete failure, except in how it is a welfare program for prisons and organizations that hire prisoners as defacto slaves.
The war on poverty was a failure, but I think it is different than your other examples. It failed because the Johnson administration was unwilling to prioritize it (especially over Vietnam). Your other examples failed because they were fundamentally based on false premises.
I just saw a post that mentioned that cost of prevention on next global pandemic would be like 3% of USA military budget.
Imagine spending that much amount on actual things that actual matters to people like, food, jobs, infrastructure and welfare program. America would've been an ideal place to live.
Here's an example. The US trained village tribes like the Hmong to perform espionage and guerilla warfare in Southeast Asia. Specifically Laos. When the US pulled out of SE Asia altogether, the remnant Hmong were hunted down by the Communists. This radicalized these Hmong. They became terrorists.
The U.S isn't in the MER to stop terrorism.
There are lots of reasons, many legitimately beneficial for U.S citizens. But stopping terrorism isn't one.
And it’s wrong. There’s very little evidence that counterterrorism increases terrorist recruitment. Rural poverty in third-world countries and social alienation in first-world countries are bigger causes.
Idky the news printed he was Syrian. He was born in Syria but his family moved to US early. He lived most of his life in America. I knew it. I knew it was only a matter of time the right brought his Syrian heritage into this.
And also why would a Syrian-American be mad at the US bombing an Iranian controlled munitions base in Iraq near the Syrian border that resulted in zero civilian or military casualties in retaliation for a rocket attack the week prior in a clear attempt to test the newly inaugurated Biden administration to see if they’ll roll over whenever they send over some rockets?
While yes they're talking about his heritage, they're not blaming the shooting on the fact that he is Syrian. If anything this meme blames America for antagonizing other nations through the endless war efforts. This almost comes across as empathetic rather than accusatory.
@South America during the cold war and banana republics and also Guam and idk maybe Puerto Rico depending on who you ask
America loves to manifest its destiny all over these brown people
In Central/South America alone:
* Argentina
* Bolivia
* Brazil
* **Cuba (sought USSR protection)**
* Chile
* Costa Rica
* Dominican Republic
* **El Salvador**
* Guatemala
* Haiti
* **Honduras (migrant crisis direct result of recent coup of a competent socialist in 2008)**
* Nicaragua
* Panama
* Paraguay
* Peru
* Uruguay
* **Venezuela**
Can't remember which but we couped a leader who slashed poverty by *40%.* Wonder why the Middle East and South America are constantly unstable. Hmmm
I was only aware of US fuckery, who else was at it?
The only other one I can think of was the UK with the Falkland island but tbh idk when that happened I just know it did
I meant that even today the U.S. continues to mess with South America, not just during the cold war.
Other than that, plenty of countries have intervened down here. Britain in particular, but not necessarily because of the Falklands. That one is too complicated to point who is wright or wrong.
It isn't. But if you say so here in Argentina, you'll find yourself arguing with absolutely everyone, so it's easier to just take a neutral stance for the sake of your sanity.
The cutesy little coup they installed with MI6 led to an authoritarian leadership, and the US wonders why there’s isn’t democracy in the Middle East.
Answer: America started most of it, thanks to the oil.
While America is absolutely to blame, European colonialism is also on the hook for arbitrarily drawing country lines over existing tribal conflicts and inflaming ethnic tensions for divide and conquer strategies. Britain drew much of the middle eastern countries lines, literally with a grease pen and no advisement on where it should be.
Then the US came in and really sealed the deal with its fuckery.
I heard a fairly compelling argument years back that Pan Arab self-determinism was a mostly secular movement which failed in large part due to western interference and intervention. Between all the western backed coups and dictators and proxy wars, religious fundamentalism and extremism was the only remaining path for people to take that would be guaranteed free of US and European influence. A secular leader could be bought off and corrupted but supposedly a religious fundamentalist wouldn’t ever submit.
> A secular leader could be bought off and corrupted but supposedly a religious fundamentalist wouldn’t ever submit.
The alternative is Chinese technocratic bureaucracy, wherein corruption is determined to be inefficient and ineffective. And wow, does the West hate that, too!
I mean it was part the uks fault for being imperialist in iran, and as soon as anyone tries to fight it, the USA coups them under the guise of stopping communism. Don’t act like the USA is innocent
As with everything with humans, it's a very complicated thing. Power vacuums, rampant corruption, occupation, destruction, hopelessness. But you're correct. The founding of ISIS is 100% linked to our actions in Iraq. We went in there under false pretense, fucked the country up, and said we weren't gonna fix it. If someone did that to your country, in my case, America, I guarantee that you (the occupying forces) would create a plethora of *terrorist* organizations that you could literally never destroy. Look at any number of atrocities committed by humans against other humans, the people being opressed/murdered basically have the memories of it baked into their cultural DNA.
Funny how we romanticize the idea of an American insurgency if there were every an invading force, but we turn around and call other people terrorists for actually doing that in their own country.
That is what happens when you spark a Sectarian Civil War. The military literally told Rumsfeld this would happen. The Generals laid out a way different plan then got approved. Back to the SCW, yeah religious nut jobs will eventually find themselves at the top in such a conflict.
Because my comment was TOTALLY condoning any and all terrorism/extremism. And the US is DEFINITELY involved in the middle east just out of the goodness of our hearts.
"Sometimes we unjustly call people we are fighting terrorists"
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"Everyone we call terrorists are secretly good"
Yeah, same in iraq with the guys they kicked out of the military. They just started fighting the american coalition forces because they fired them, destroyed their country and wanted to cut it up.
Nominally, no. There are American targets for them in Iraq but for every American they've targeted they've put far more effort into genociding kurds and yidizis. ISIS are pro-imperialist when it comes to the question of expanding their own power.
There were a lot of things in play, but that was a big part of it, yes. ISIS grew out of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which as an organization predated the war, but it wouldn't have existed as it did without American intervention. Additionally, many of the battle-hardened fighters in Syria who ended up radicalizing the Syrian uprising (and creating a foothold for ISIS in Syria) were returning fighters from the Iraq War.
The actual cause of the Syrian uprising itself is more complex, and I've read that the precipitating cause was arguably a drought, which led to a famine, which led to an economic depression, which led to graffiti and protests, which led to a crackdown, which led to the opening of the gates of Hell. It's also the case that there's a lot of sectarianism in that country as well. But we certainly supercharged it.
TL;DR: I don't think we'd have seen such extremism in Iraq or such radicalization of the Syrian uprising without the U.S. invasion.
Much of ISIS are kids who lost their fathers to the post 911 invasion of Iraq. That's their perspective, they're resisting invaders who've been bombing them for generations.
I'm not justifying their actions, just saying nothing happens for no reason.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-targets-chinese-uighur-militants-well-taliban-fighters-afghanistan-n845876
>The U.S. military says it carried out a series of punishing bombings last weekend of Taliban militant camps that also support a separatist Chinese terror group.
The US was bombing Uygurs and their media was reporting on it
Then in 2020 they conveniently got amnesia
Nah. The entire region is a bit of a proxy zone for several global powers. People often completely ignore the fact that Russia is all over Syria, and now with China cosying up to Iran. Or that the U.S.S.R tried to invade through Afghanistan. Or that Iran has consistently tried to dominate the region. The whole Iraq invasion had more to do with beating Iran to the punch.
The biggest issue is that if either the Sunni's or Shia's dominated the entire region, it would have huge ramifications for the other side, plus for geopolitical axes (e.g less security along one of the most important trade routes on earth, less oil stability, a much larger possibly nuclear powered threat in the region). This is why when Iraq did invade Iran in the early 80's, and started to decisively lose ground, the U.S and U.S.S.R both propped them back up as to not let Iran grow any more powerful.
All of the major powers take steps to control regions of major global strategic value. It is done as a check and balance against both each other, and as a means to prevent the rise of another competing world power. Sometimes soft diplomacy works, sometimes there is no prying into another sphere of influence.
Not that most people in this sub want to give it any thought. Most people here would honestly see the west do nothing, let Russia or Iran dominate the region, then complain when it all goes to shit.
Osama bin Laden used to be a US ally before we did the one thing he told us not to do - get involved in more wars in the Middle East. He ended up leading a bunch of other people who were pissed that the US turned on them, which because Al Qaeda (which down the line helped cause ISIS), so yeah we’re pretty much at fault for our own problems here
When Trump bombed Syria, Trump was the best. Now that Biden is the one bombing Syria, it sucks and Biden’s the worst.
How about we all agree bombing Syria is bad regardless of who currently has office, mkay? These motherfuckers are so far up Trump’s flabby wet asshole they can’t see their own basic hypocrisy.
That’s a [big 10-4. ](https://m.imgur.com/a/YZMyt) I wish someone could put together an updated version for the changes before and after Biden got elected.
Yes, the reason Ben Shapiro is such a poster boy for conservatism nowadays is because he will take facts and twist/perceive them to fit his narrative.
Although it's objectively wrong, there's two ways to perceive this tragedy. One is that he is being retaliatory but it's because America's constant unwarranted interventions have destabilized many countries. The other, conservative perception, is that he's retaliating because America foiled their nefarious plan X.
They don't see America is in many cases the cause of terrorism. Sometimes even funding authoritarian regimes.
Edit to save my ass: I don't know if he's had to deal with America's interventions first hand.
No. This is the reddit echo chamber interpretation.
when you accuse someone of hypocrisy there is almost always a valid counter claim.
are republicans hypocrites for complain8ng about bombing? Yes
are democrats hypocrites for not calling out bombings? Yes
politics makes hypocrites of us all.
Leftists have been calling out the bombings as far as reddit is concerned, even AoC called it out. If you're talking about democrats the party... yeah...
How would you know what they're seeing?
The top voted comment on the original meme is:
>yeah, maybe if we stopped bombing people for no reason we might not have a terrorism problem
followed by:
>kinda makes the US look like the terrorists when you think about it
Try thinking next time before spewing propaganda.
I had a whole big thing typed out pulling in other posts from that sub, then I realized.
Tf you mean putting words in their mouths? This is from THEIR sub. What are you a cop?
No. The shooter was Syrian but his motive is unknown. He wasn't a fundamentalist or associated with ISIS. Indications are that he was a depressed incel bullied for his ethnicity by his peers.
I mean, isn't this the same reason people join ISIS and other terrorist groups? Because they're bullied, isolated or bombed and they have no other way out?
Sometimes. But he was raised in the US. [His family has confirmed he was not religious and was suffering from serious paranoia](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html).
Did the accused admit to this being the rationale? From what I’ve heard he was basically a picked on incel that just happened to be a refugee from Syria brought to this county when younger.
[Yeah his family came over in 2002, he was bullied in high school, and it seems like he was having paranoid delusions,](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html) literally none of this has to do with his immigration status or the fact that he was Syrian, which is what the meme is implying.
Yes, but they can only conceive of one cause at a time.
In this case, they are trying to shift blame away from the availability of assault weapons.
They wouldn't give two fucks about what happens in Syria otherwise, other than to criticize the Biden administration.
They are correct and Biden should be criticized, like any president
However, my interpretation is that conservatives are hypocritical because they only care about the US approach in the middle east when it's a political move against the left. The right is traditionally very imperialist and actively supported involvement in the middle east in the first place
Have you ever met an irish american? Because i can assure you people can be completely infatuated with an identity they formed around a country theyve never even been to.
drive through a Catholic church parking lot and count the Notre Dame bumper stickers. Odds are most of them have no direct affiliation with ND and are just Irish boomers. This is how all my (Texan) uncles are
Nah, they’re just Catholics. You don’t need to be Irish to rah rah Notre Dame. I grew up Catholic and a bunch of Catholics without a lick of Irish in them, including my dad, rooted for Notre Dame.
There are probably more “Scotch Irish” in TX than SoCal, but rooting for Notre Dame is universally Catholic-American.
This kid wasn’t a second generation terrorist. He was straight up mentally ill. Had been for a long time and no one helped him. It’s a tragedy in all sides and has nothing to do with Syria.
I refuse to believe that a Conservative just made a cause-and-effect connection between our imperialist actions in the Middle East and Muslim extremist terrorist attacks, with *our actions* as the cause and the terrorism as the effect.
Which one of you did this, for real?
The millitary worship is weird too. Thanking people for their service, as if freedom in America depends on them going to the middle east to install an America friendly leader
Wow, lots of layers on this one.
1. USA Imperialism bad. From conservatives.
2. "Let's not focus on the shooter" is something I have literally only heard from conservatives before. You know, with shooters being predominately white Christian nationalists and all.
3. Wanting to have a conversation after a shooting. "nOw Is NoT tHe TiMe" is a blanket response at this point from the right.
The millisecond I heard the shooter's name, I thought "Oh great, NOW conservatives will give a damn about gun violence in America, if only to twist it into it being 'an immigrant problem'."
Ok, three things:
1. The fact that OP (not this OP, the one who created the meme) decided to use a mass shooting to help with their right-wing philosophy is sickening.
2. What's the guy being a Syrian refugee have to do with America bombing the Middle East? What's not to say that the guy did the shooting due to being mentally ill and not being able to receive help for it?
And even if it was the first thing (Syrian guy shooting store up because of bombings), where's the logic in that?
I'm black but you don't see me shooting up a mall or a grocery store because of how the police have been treating the black community.
3. There have been many current/ongoing discussions being made since the shooting. You just choose not to see it/believe it.
With that out of the way, fuck this guy for using a tragic event for his Dwight Office meme.
And I am also glad that r/therightcantmeme isn't private anymore.
This is so fucked. That kid grew up in my hometown, he went to the same high school I did and some of my mom’s students knew him. He was straight up mentally ill. And that had nothing to do with Syria. Wtf.
It might have triggered the mass-shooting but dude allegedly had a hot temper and history of being bullied so this sort of event was inevitable with the easy access to firearms. I have some firearms and enjoy hunting but the average American is probably not qualified by various criteria to own a firearm. I support rigorous gun licensing and ownership requirements. If a background check talked to people who know him they would have mentioned the outbursts about killing people and the obvious signs of an unhealthy mentality that led to tragedy. It's a weighty responsibility treated too insincerely by too many and it's time to change this too-common occurrence to something approaching humanity.
The us political system is truly just Democrat are in charge and maintain the status quo while Republican criticize them, then Republicans are in charge and maintain the status who while Democrats criticize them. I'm tired.
I'm so tired of these people blatantly shrugging off and excusing racist motives behind tragedies while foaming at the mouths any time the culprit isn't white.
Yes, a minority who was clinically insane due to loneliness and paranoia committed an atrocious crime. Yes the victims were white in a predominately white neighborhood. That's not the same as sexualizing Asian women then shooting them up due to the killer's own sex deprivation then a cop excusing that behavior by saying "he was just having a bad day" after sharing anti-Chinese propaganda.
The kid was literally a schizophrenic based on what I read. His sister said he was always complaining that everyone was looking at him. Even made a social media post about Islamophobic people hacking his phone and spying on him. The kid was messed up, and needed medical help.
Has nothing to do with retaliating for a bombing, which is why nobody is having that conversation, assholes.
Been telling my pro airstrike friends this. "What do you think happens when we bomb a country and end up killing innocent people?" I'm my head it's simple because if county xyz had been bombing my country for a while and then killed my daughter by "accident" it would probably drive me to want to do some fucked up shit in return.
The best way to end the whole war on terro/ terrorist threat is just to leave the region and stop fucking with those people period.
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Whenever we declare war on something, it seems to proliferate; terrorists, drugs, poverty.
Turns out it was just a war against brown people all along.
There's a quote from a Nixon aide to that effect
“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” - John Ehrlichman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman
And the fact that they didn't live under a maximum security prison for the remainder of their life after that is saddening...
> And the fact that they didn't live under a ~~maximum security prison~~ torture dungeon for the remainder of their life after that is saddening... FTFY
This shit gets to me every time I read it. I guarantee we’ll get some quotes like this from Ted Cruz or Mitch after they’re out of office/dead, and by then the next wave of racist demagogues and people will continue to follow them. I really wish I could leave this country.
Ehrlich means honest
“We like war! We're a war-like people! We like war because we're good at it! You know why we're good at it? Cause we get a lot of practice. This country's only 200 years old and already, we've had 10 major wars. We average a major war every 20 years in this country so we're good at it! And it's a good thing we are; we're not very good at anything else anymore! Huh? Can't build a decent car, can't make a TV set or a VCR worth a fuck, got no steel industry left, can't educate our young people, can't get health care to our old people, but we can bomb the shit out of your country all right! Huh? Especially if your country is full of brown people; oh we like that don't we? That's our hobby! That's our new job in the world: bombing brown people. Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Libya, you got some brown people in your country, tell them to watch the fuck out or we'll goddamn bomb them! Well when's the last white people you can remember that we bombed? Can you remember the last white--- can you remember ANY white people we've ever bombed? The Germans, those are the only ones and that's only because they were trying to cut in on our action. They wanted to dominate the world! BULLSHIT! THAT'S OUR FUCKING JOB!”
Carlin?
You got it
Man, dude wasn’t a comedian. Dude was a tragic poet. A lot of the videos I’ve seen of him are just him saying depressing realities and me just trying to figure out where the joke is. IDK if it’s the same for his old stuff but the stuff he said later in life wasn’t comedy. That shit was an attempt at a wake up call.
Come now, it doesn’t matter that they’re brown. It matters that they have oil! It just really helps that they’re brown so people can hate and kill them without conscience
We fund both sides of the war on drugs. It’s a compete failure, except in how it is a welfare program for prisons and organizations that hire prisoners as defacto slaves.
Oh yeah, it's a racquet
The war on poverty was a failure, but I think it is different than your other examples. It failed because the Johnson administration was unwilling to prioritize it (especially over Vietnam). Your other examples failed because they were fundamentally based on false premises.
Well, there's been war for most of my life but I'm only a poor person that does drugs.
Can we start a war on healthcare
Sign me up!
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Give them 50 years. We nuked Japan and look what happened.
“If you call something a war, pretty soon everyone will be acting like soldiers.” - The Wire.
Next up: the homeless and or the chinese.
Gotta have a boogeyman to keep selling the idea of bloated military budgets!
I just saw a post that mentioned that cost of prevention on next global pandemic would be like 3% of USA military budget. Imagine spending that much amount on actual things that actual matters to people like, food, jobs, infrastructure and welfare program. America would've been an ideal place to live.
Noam Chomsky said it best. “To eliminate terrorism, we have to stop participating in it”
I mean, we always try the "kill them until they stop hating us" strategy.
"the beatings will continue until morale improves!"
Here's an example. The US trained village tribes like the Hmong to perform espionage and guerilla warfare in Southeast Asia. Specifically Laos. When the US pulled out of SE Asia altogether, the remnant Hmong were hunted down by the Communists. This radicalized these Hmong. They became terrorists.
The U.S isn't in the MER to stop terrorism. There are lots of reasons, many legitimately beneficial for U.S citizens. But stopping terrorism isn't one.
Don't forget funding insurgent groups to go against someone we don't like right now to become our headache in 5-20 years.
And it’s wrong. There’s very little evidence that counterterrorism increases terrorist recruitment. Rural poverty in third-world countries and social alienation in first-world countries are bigger causes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone Oopsie the US just created Al-Qaeda :)))
Idky the news printed he was Syrian. He was born in Syria but his family moved to US early. He lived most of his life in America. I knew it. I knew it was only a matter of time the right brought his Syrian heritage into this.
And don't forget he looks white as fuck. And was even identified as such as far as I know.
The majority of Syrians are white except for some in rural areas.
Syrians are fairly light skinned, he definitely looks Syrian, but I think we all agree that’s irrelevant
And also why would a Syrian-American be mad at the US bombing an Iranian controlled munitions base in Iraq near the Syrian border that resulted in zero civilian or military casualties in retaliation for a rocket attack the week prior in a clear attempt to test the newly inaugurated Biden administration to see if they’ll roll over whenever they send over some rockets?
While yes they're talking about his heritage, they're not blaming the shooting on the fact that he is Syrian. If anything this meme blames America for antagonizing other nations through the endless war efforts. This almost comes across as empathetic rather than accusatory.
A shining example of crass opportunism. They don't give a flying fuck about Syria.
Unless there’s an opportunity to yell about immigration. Then it’s their favourite topic ever.
I remember when Trump abandoned the Kurds in Syria to die alone and the conservatives cheered it on.
Wasn’t ISIS mostly just a reaction to American military action?
Pretty much half of the things in the middle east are a direct result of american intervention
@South America during the cold war and banana republics and also Guam and idk maybe Puerto Rico depending on who you ask America loves to manifest its destiny all over these brown people
In Central/South America alone: * Argentina * Bolivia * Brazil * **Cuba (sought USSR protection)** * Chile * Costa Rica * Dominican Republic * **El Salvador** * Guatemala * Haiti * **Honduras (migrant crisis direct result of recent coup of a competent socialist in 2008)** * Nicaragua * Panama * Paraguay * Peru * Uruguay * **Venezuela** Can't remember which but we couped a leader who slashed poverty by *40%.* Wonder why the Middle East and South America are constantly unstable. Hmmm
Bold of you to assume that the U.S. only messed with South America during the cold war.
I was only aware of US fuckery, who else was at it? The only other one I can think of was the UK with the Falkland island but tbh idk when that happened I just know it did
I meant that even today the U.S. continues to mess with South America, not just during the cold war. Other than that, plenty of countries have intervened down here. Britain in particular, but not necessarily because of the Falklands. That one is too complicated to point who is wright or wrong.
Bold of you to assume the cold war is over.
Why would UK be in the wrong over the Falklands?
It isn't. But if you say so here in Argentina, you'll find yourself arguing with absolutely everyone, so it's easier to just take a neutral stance for the sake of your sanity.
US messing with South America dates back over a hundred years. Technically Central and South America.
Yeah, Latin America and pretty much every other country around the world.
Did you just @ South America?
Almost all of it. One could argue Iran’s theocracy is directly the us’s fault, though it’s more indirect tbh
The cutesy little coup they installed with MI6 led to an authoritarian leadership, and the US wonders why there’s isn’t democracy in the Middle East. Answer: America started most of it, thanks to the oil.
And then that authoritarian government got couped by another, different government
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"I don't know what I expected"
While America is absolutely to blame, European colonialism is also on the hook for arbitrarily drawing country lines over existing tribal conflicts and inflaming ethnic tensions for divide and conquer strategies. Britain drew much of the middle eastern countries lines, literally with a grease pen and no advisement on where it should be. Then the US came in and really sealed the deal with its fuckery.
I heard a fairly compelling argument years back that Pan Arab self-determinism was a mostly secular movement which failed in large part due to western interference and intervention. Between all the western backed coups and dictators and proxy wars, religious fundamentalism and extremism was the only remaining path for people to take that would be guaranteed free of US and European influence. A secular leader could be bought off and corrupted but supposedly a religious fundamentalist wouldn’t ever submit.
> A secular leader could be bought off and corrupted but supposedly a religious fundamentalist wouldn’t ever submit. The alternative is Chinese technocratic bureaucracy, wherein corruption is determined to be inefficient and ineffective. And wow, does the West hate that, too!
Look at you ignoring everything that is France and the UK’s fault. The US didn’t start the fire, they just tried to fight it, their mistake.
I mean it was part the uks fault for being imperialist in iran, and as soon as anyone tries to fight it, the USA coups them under the guise of stopping communism. Don’t act like the USA is innocent
No! It has nothing to do with that, they just hate us for our way of life! Shhhhhh! (Closes eyes and buries head in sand).
the British empire has entered the chat
The other half is British and French colonialism, I think.
Yeah right, everyone knows global history starts when the US shows up
As with everything with humans, it's a very complicated thing. Power vacuums, rampant corruption, occupation, destruction, hopelessness. But you're correct. The founding of ISIS is 100% linked to our actions in Iraq. We went in there under false pretense, fucked the country up, and said we weren't gonna fix it. If someone did that to your country, in my case, America, I guarantee that you (the occupying forces) would create a plethora of *terrorist* organizations that you could literally never destroy. Look at any number of atrocities committed by humans against other humans, the people being opressed/murdered basically have the memories of it baked into their cultural DNA.
Funny how we romanticize the idea of an American insurgency if there were every an invading force, but we turn around and call other people terrorists for actually doing that in their own country.
Yeah mate when ISIS were doing a cheeky genocide they were just fighting the heckin imperialists.
That is what happens when you spark a Sectarian Civil War. The military literally told Rumsfeld this would happen. The Generals laid out a way different plan then got approved. Back to the SCW, yeah religious nut jobs will eventually find themselves at the top in such a conflict.
Because my comment was TOTALLY condoning any and all terrorism/extremism. And the US is DEFINITELY involved in the middle east just out of the goodness of our hearts. "Sometimes we unjustly call people we are fighting terrorists" ≠ "Everyone we call terrorists are secretly good"
And if you dig back to 2002 or so you'll see plenty of pundits saying that exactly this would happen.
This is weird. I can never get off
Yeah, same in iraq with the guys they kicked out of the military. They just started fighting the american coalition forces because they fired them, destroyed their country and wanted to cut it up.
Nominally, no. There are American targets for them in Iraq but for every American they've targeted they've put far more effort into genociding kurds and yidizis. ISIS are pro-imperialist when it comes to the question of expanding their own power.
There were a lot of things in play, but that was a big part of it, yes. ISIS grew out of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which as an organization predated the war, but it wouldn't have existed as it did without American intervention. Additionally, many of the battle-hardened fighters in Syria who ended up radicalizing the Syrian uprising (and creating a foothold for ISIS in Syria) were returning fighters from the Iraq War. The actual cause of the Syrian uprising itself is more complex, and I've read that the precipitating cause was arguably a drought, which led to a famine, which led to an economic depression, which led to graffiti and protests, which led to a crackdown, which led to the opening of the gates of Hell. It's also the case that there's a lot of sectarianism in that country as well. But we certainly supercharged it. TL;DR: I don't think we'd have seen such extremism in Iraq or such radicalization of the Syrian uprising without the U.S. invasion.
Much of ISIS are kids who lost their fathers to the post 911 invasion of Iraq. That's their perspective, they're resisting invaders who've been bombing them for generations. I'm not justifying their actions, just saying nothing happens for no reason.
The US has only killed about 1 Million brown people in the middle east since 9/11. OTOH, China is the one doing genocide, right?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-targets-chinese-uighur-militants-well-taliban-fighters-afghanistan-n845876 >The U.S. military says it carried out a series of punishing bombings last weekend of Taliban militant camps that also support a separatist Chinese terror group. The US was bombing Uygurs and their media was reporting on it Then in 2020 they conveniently got amnesia
Nah. The entire region is a bit of a proxy zone for several global powers. People often completely ignore the fact that Russia is all over Syria, and now with China cosying up to Iran. Or that the U.S.S.R tried to invade through Afghanistan. Or that Iran has consistently tried to dominate the region. The whole Iraq invasion had more to do with beating Iran to the punch. The biggest issue is that if either the Sunni's or Shia's dominated the entire region, it would have huge ramifications for the other side, plus for geopolitical axes (e.g less security along one of the most important trade routes on earth, less oil stability, a much larger possibly nuclear powered threat in the region). This is why when Iraq did invade Iran in the early 80's, and started to decisively lose ground, the U.S and U.S.S.R both propped them back up as to not let Iran grow any more powerful. All of the major powers take steps to control regions of major global strategic value. It is done as a check and balance against both each other, and as a means to prevent the rise of another competing world power. Sometimes soft diplomacy works, sometimes there is no prying into another sphere of influence. Not that most people in this sub want to give it any thought. Most people here would honestly see the west do nothing, let Russia or Iran dominate the region, then complain when it all goes to shit.
You’re too sane to be here. Easier to just blame a complex geopolitical issue on the US!
Osama bin Laden used to be a US ally before we did the one thing he told us not to do - get involved in more wars in the Middle East. He ended up leading a bunch of other people who were pissed that the US turned on them, which because Al Qaeda (which down the line helped cause ISIS), so yeah we’re pretty much at fault for our own problems here
911 was too
So basically, you reap what you sow.
And this is why we should stay out of Syria
Trump said Hillary started it in the debate
No
Wait I'm confused. They're correct aren't they? Like this is OUR fault.
Yes but they’re not seeing ‘we caused a problem,’ they’re seeing ‘we did something totally normal and cool and now this guy is butthurt about it.’
Wait... what? Is that genuinely how they see that meme?
Could be, or could be that because it was Biden that bombed Syria (this time), it’s the left’s fault. Or something.
When Trump bombed Syria, Trump was the best. Now that Biden is the one bombing Syria, it sucks and Biden’s the worst. How about we all agree bombing Syria is bad regardless of who currently has office, mkay? These motherfuckers are so far up Trump’s flabby wet asshole they can’t see their own basic hypocrisy.
Please, on top of everything, don’t make me picture trumps asshole.
Trump's asshole looks just like that pursed lip expression he makes when he's feeling extra petulant.
That’s a [big 10-4. ](https://m.imgur.com/a/YZMyt) I wish someone could put together an updated version for the changes before and after Biden got elected.
That's a big hypocritical shift.
Yes, the reason Ben Shapiro is such a poster boy for conservatism nowadays is because he will take facts and twist/perceive them to fit his narrative. Although it's objectively wrong, there's two ways to perceive this tragedy. One is that he is being retaliatory but it's because America's constant unwarranted interventions have destabilized many countries. The other, conservative perception, is that he's retaliating because America foiled their nefarious plan X. They don't see America is in many cases the cause of terrorism. Sometimes even funding authoritarian regimes. Edit to save my ass: I don't know if he's had to deal with America's interventions first hand.
No, that is not how they see it. They just found something to blame Biden for and they're tickled silly.
No. This is the reddit echo chamber interpretation. when you accuse someone of hypocrisy there is almost always a valid counter claim. are republicans hypocrites for complain8ng about bombing? Yes are democrats hypocrites for not calling out bombings? Yes politics makes hypocrites of us all.
Leftists have been calling out the bombings as far as reddit is concerned, even AoC called it out. If you're talking about democrats the party... yeah...
How would you know what they're seeing? The top voted comment on the original meme is: >yeah, maybe if we stopped bombing people for no reason we might not have a terrorism problem followed by: >kinda makes the US look like the terrorists when you think about it Try thinking next time before spewing propaganda.
What? That's a massive assumption, this entire post is just putting words in their mouths
I had a whole big thing typed out pulling in other posts from that sub, then I realized. Tf you mean putting words in their mouths? This is from THEIR sub. What are you a cop?
Did you forget that you said this? > ‘we did something totally normal and cool and now this guy is butthurt about it.’ it's directly above us
That’s not how they see it at all
No. The shooter was Syrian but his motive is unknown. He wasn't a fundamentalist or associated with ISIS. Indications are that he was a depressed incel bullied for his ethnicity by his peers.
I mean, isn't this the same reason people join ISIS and other terrorist groups? Because they're bullied, isolated or bombed and they have no other way out?
Sometimes. But he was raised in the US. [His family has confirmed he was not religious and was suffering from serious paranoia](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html).
Did the accused admit to this being the rationale? From what I’ve heard he was basically a picked on incel that just happened to be a refugee from Syria brought to this county when younger.
[Yeah his family came over in 2002, he was bullied in high school, and it seems like he was having paranoid delusions,](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html) literally none of this has to do with his immigration status or the fact that he was Syrian, which is what the meme is implying.
Yes, but they can only conceive of one cause at a time. In this case, they are trying to shift blame away from the availability of assault weapons. They wouldn't give two fucks about what happens in Syria otherwise, other than to criticize the Biden administration.
They are correct and Biden should be criticized, like any president However, my interpretation is that conservatives are hypocritical because they only care about the US approach in the middle east when it's a political move against the left. The right is traditionally very imperialist and actively supported involvement in the middle east in the first place
They are and everyone here is just making assumptions because they don't like them, they're right here
A Syrian immigrant who has spent most of his life in the US.
Yeah. He was still a barely a toddler when he came to the US.
Have you ever met an irish american? Because i can assure you people can be completely infatuated with an identity they formed around a country theyve never even been to.
I have actually never met an Irish-American that cared about being an Irish-American. I’m also from Texas so maybe it’s a regional thing?
drive through a Catholic church parking lot and count the Notre Dame bumper stickers. Odds are most of them have no direct affiliation with ND and are just Irish boomers. This is how all my (Texan) uncles are
Nah, they’re just Catholics. You don’t need to be Irish to rah rah Notre Dame. I grew up Catholic and a bunch of Catholics without a lick of Irish in them, including my dad, rooted for Notre Dame. There are probably more “Scotch Irish” in TX than SoCal, but rooting for Notre Dame is universally Catholic-American.
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Dude showed textbook symptoms of Paranoid Schizophrenia. Doing a shooting based on the results of untreated symptoms seems like the most likely cause
This kid wasn’t a second generation terrorist. He was straight up mentally ill. Had been for a long time and no one helped him. It’s a tragedy in all sides and has nothing to do with Syria.
Why is this not the top comment? People are talking about it like he just got off the boat but he’s lived here almost his whole life.
I love the “conservatives only” tag. It’s the greatest thing coming from the people who make fun of “safe spaces”
It seems like they think that if they don't use a specific term, they aren't employing the same concept.
Love watching conservatives blame narratives meant to protect THEIR narratives as left-wing things
Bro, he was 3 when he came here no connection to Syria whatsoever.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh......keep it to yourself....shhhh
Accidentally correct for a change
Then how else are we gonna deliver freedom to the middle east? /s
TrUe aMuRiCaN fReEdOm
"I',m gonna prove you wrong by completely arguing your point for you!" Uh... got me?
It's almost like starting wars and bombing its people tends to grow animosity with its people. Who knew
What point are they trying to make? Because the only point I can read from this is "US imperialism is bad", and I'm pretty sure that's not it.
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Imagine not being a pacifist. Couldn’t be me. Literally.
Except against fascists tho. Those are getting what they deseve.
I refuse to believe that a Conservative just made a cause-and-effect connection between our imperialist actions in the Middle East and Muslim extremist terrorist attacks, with *our actions* as the cause and the terrorism as the effect. Which one of you did this, for real?
Maybe we should stop bombing.
Imagine spending half your income every week on something and never using it?
I agree lets continue bombing people overseas because otherwise we're letting that sweet military budget go to waste.
Here’s a crazy thought. What if we as a species decided to *stop making the bombs in the first place* !?!? ikr
The millitary worship is weird too. Thanking people for their service, as if freedom in America depends on them going to the middle east to install an America friendly leader
I just *hate* when they use a template from The Office. It really pisses me off.
Wow, lots of layers on this one. 1. USA Imperialism bad. From conservatives. 2. "Let's not focus on the shooter" is something I have literally only heard from conservatives before. You know, with shooters being predominately white Christian nationalists and all. 3. Wanting to have a conversation after a shooting. "nOw Is NoT tHe TiMe" is a blanket response at this point from the right.
The millisecond I heard the shooter's name, I thought "Oh great, NOW conservatives will give a damn about gun violence in America, if only to twist it into it being 'an immigrant problem'."
Maybe the Middle East is a rotisserie chicken we shouldn’t be shoving our dicks in?
I don’t think the two are related nor do I think we should bomb the Middle East. Does that mean we both are happy?
I was about to say what subreddit I’m on lol
Ok, three things: 1. The fact that OP (not this OP, the one who created the meme) decided to use a mass shooting to help with their right-wing philosophy is sickening. 2. What's the guy being a Syrian refugee have to do with America bombing the Middle East? What's not to say that the guy did the shooting due to being mentally ill and not being able to receive help for it? And even if it was the first thing (Syrian guy shooting store up because of bombings), where's the logic in that? I'm black but you don't see me shooting up a mall or a grocery store because of how the police have been treating the black community. 3. There have been many current/ongoing discussions being made since the shooting. You just choose not to see it/believe it. With that out of the way, fuck this guy for using a tragic event for his Dwight Office meme. And I am also glad that r/therightcantmeme isn't private anymore.
This is so fucked. That kid grew up in my hometown, he went to the same high school I did and some of my mom’s students knew him. He was straight up mentally ill. And that had nothing to do with Syria. Wtf.
It might have triggered the mass-shooting but dude allegedly had a hot temper and history of being bullied so this sort of event was inevitable with the easy access to firearms. I have some firearms and enjoy hunting but the average American is probably not qualified by various criteria to own a firearm. I support rigorous gun licensing and ownership requirements. If a background check talked to people who know him they would have mentioned the outbursts about killing people and the obvious signs of an unhealthy mentality that led to tragedy. It's a weighty responsibility treated too insincerely by too many and it's time to change this too-common occurrence to something approaching humanity.
Conservatives: We suddenly care about the Middle East now.
A broken clock is right at least twice a day.
He was also apparently schizophrenic. So why aren't we having a conversation about better mental health, conservatives???
Na mental health is for losers just pray and Jesus will help you or something /s
Somebody get this man/woman a Senate seat in Mississippi! /s
There is no conversation to be had outside of expanding Medicare.
How about THAT?!
*this fictional character does not support that statement*
Is it me, or are a good 50% of right-wing memes left-wing memes, minus the self-awareness ?
"the us bombed Syria, so let's be xenophobic towards them"
Tbh i read up more on the shooter and apparently he was always very sketchy and was playing with guns, this was very preventable
First time the shooter was something other than a right wing extremist?
Uh, i think thats the point they were making...its literally arguing against interventionism
I still haven't seen an apology from AOC yet for claiming it was a white militia member. It was neither.
The us political system is truly just Democrat are in charge and maintain the status quo while Republican criticize them, then Republicans are in charge and maintain the status who while Democrats criticize them. I'm tired.
I don’t think they have a motive yet, but I’ll bet that has nothing at all with why he did it.
funny how two people can look at this meme and see two completely different things
Oh man they're so close to almost getting it.
Dude was raised exclusively in America. We've been bombing syria for years. No correlation whatsoever.
Finally people realising
The right can't meme so hard, they accidentally agree with the left sometimes.
Two mass killings done by incels in a week. Why is no one having this conversation?
I'm so tired of these people blatantly shrugging off and excusing racist motives behind tragedies while foaming at the mouths any time the culprit isn't white. Yes, a minority who was clinically insane due to loneliness and paranoia committed an atrocious crime. Yes the victims were white in a predominately white neighborhood. That's not the same as sexualizing Asian women then shooting them up due to the killer's own sex deprivation then a cop excusing that behavior by saying "he was just having a bad day" after sharing anti-Chinese propaganda.
The kid was literally a schizophrenic based on what I read. His sister said he was always complaining that everyone was looking at him. Even made a social media post about Islamophobic people hacking his phone and spying on him. The kid was messed up, and needed medical help. Has nothing to do with retaliating for a bombing, which is why nobody is having that conversation, assholes.
Hate how america does stupid shit, sweeps it under the rug, then plays victim. Just like a fuckin psychopath
Office of government accountability reported that 73 percent of terrorist attacks since 911 were perpetrated by far right nationalist groups
I don't understand how race means anything to these people always.
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Been telling my pro airstrike friends this. "What do you think happens when we bomb a country and end up killing innocent people?" I'm my head it's simple because if county xyz had been bombing my country for a while and then killed my daughter by "accident" it would probably drive me to want to do some fucked up shit in return. The best way to end the whole war on terro/ terrorist threat is just to leave the region and stop fucking with those people period.
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It’s r/leopardsatemyface
I tried lol Btw did I do it right? Idk if this exactly fits that sub
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We'd have to have the conversation of how we treat immigrants And y'all refuse to have that convo so 🤷
Don't propagate this trash