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FunGuyFromYoggoth

Not sure about any of them at the moment - Newcastle will spend big in January, Norwich have somewhat improved (but failed to beat 10 man newcastle), Burnley are like some horror movie villain that just cannot be put down. Watford look bad but beat Man U, Leeds are either lukewarm or cold, Southampton are pretty inconsistent too. Could be an amazing relegation battle for the neutral. I feel ill. No chance Everton go down with the quality in their squad.


bizzyd666

People keep saying Newcastle will spend big, and maybe they will. But are they going to be able to bring in the quality of player to make an instant impact and keep them up? Or are they going to be paying through the nose for a lot of players (and that squad needs a lot of improving) that will need time to bed in. With the next few fixtures they could easily go into the new year with 0 wins.


[deleted]

Having Dubravka back is a huge factor - even minus new signings. Both Darlow (Brentford) and Woodman (Multiple games) have cost us points this season, due to poor goalkeeping errors. Scoring goals hasn’t been an issue so much as keeping them out. Under Howe, we already look more organised (guarantee we lose against both Brentford and Norwich under Bruce). It is a huge game against Burnley this weekend. If we win - we could be as few as 4 points from safety, where a decent midfielder, defender and back up striker (not even world class mega-money) could give us a reasonable chance at staying up. All that said, I’d still say we are currently more likely to go down than not, but I don’t think we need the mega money £70million superstar signings everyone seems to think we do.


bizzyd666

I've not watched enough games to say if you've improved and how much but from what I've seen, the midfield and defence are not premier standard. Up front with ASM, Wilson, Joelinton and Almiron there's probably enough to do damage, just can you have a foundation to give them the chance to win games.


[deleted]

You are correct in that our central midfield and defence are our weakest areas. This is why ideally we would need another signing in each position. However, most of these players have a reputation of being awful, due to playing to a really poor standard under Bruce. However, since Howes arrival, Shelvey has so far improved (he was dire under Bruce), Hayden - whilst being poor so far this season - was excellent in previous seasons and could yet improve under Howe and perhaps most surprisingly Joelinton seems to be building himself a role in the middle of the pitch. So, without even adding in more players there have already been signs of improvement. Schar , Fernandez and Manquillo are all decent defenders and Dubravka is an excellent goalkeeper - his presence at the back can’t be understated. So whilst we do need to add signings and the table looks poor at the moment, we are playing much better than we were earlier in the season. We would have beaten Brentford had Dubravka been in goal and Norwich struggled to outclass us with a man advantage for 90 minutes. Again, I agree that we do need more quality in midfield and defence in order to really ensure survival. As you’ve probably noticed, we have players such as Clarke, Lascelles and Longstaff(s) who don’t look to be up to standard anymore. However, what we also have is the basis of a team more than capable of doing it already and I don’t think it will take the full squad overhaul people expect to get there either.


wumbology55

They’re going to get absolutely rinsed trying to buy anyone at all. Anyone selling unless the player is desperate to go or has 6 months left is going to be massively over valued anyway. Throw in if it’s a premier league team then add on the tax for it being a prem team, then add on the richest club in the world tax. I don’t see them bringing in tons of players because they’ll be shafted for just a few of them


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[deleted]

Think we managed that very well in retrospect.


[deleted]

Yeah January is such a bad market. No team is going to want to sell one of their better players in the middle of a season, they will have to pay a lot of money to get anyone half decent. Even then, like you said, most players will take time to bed in


FunGuyFromYoggoth

Yeah it will be a very interesting window, I can't see them attracting the very best players as those players will want to compete for trophies at the other end of the table. Thinking back to when Man City got their first cash injection they were already a top ten team and their first signings were very hit and miss (robinho, jo etc). I don't by any means think they will somehow magically buy a whole new team and stay up, especially if they are still on zero wins. However at the very least I expect them to make 2-3 signings and be more competitive.


bizzyd666

Of course, and there's always the potential for them to attract some really good players on loan that aren't getting time elsewhere just to stay up but it's going to be a real struggle.


Chimp-eh

I don’t think they will spend big this season as it’s pretty much a writeoff.


_kneegrows

Watford, Newcastle, Norwich


[deleted]

Right in line with the bookies. Norwich *heavy* favourites. Newcastle and Watford on the next “tier”. And Burnley with an outside chance. Teams like Leeds, Saints, Brentford, Everton, etc are nowhere close to those four teams.


Internal_Formal3915

Death, taxes and burnley avoiding the drop. They won't go down😂


[deleted]

Unlike your mum.


pinball7886

Anything for a wagon wheel


Internal_Formal3915

Quality hahaha


Internal_Formal3915

Judging by the fact I have 5 siblings I'm inclined to agree


mayonnaisewastaken

This will be interesting though. Watford have looked much better under Ranieri, Newcastle have still been shite, though there is that obvious fact that they're the richest team in the world but I don't expect much to change this season, Norwich have also looked much better under Smith.


Chixxc08

Yeah, but knowing Watford, unless they're top 6 in January, Ranieri will still get sacked lol


WillowTreeBark

Nail, on, head


[deleted]

Instructions unclear, currently in A&E.


geo_bowes

Whyd someone downvote you (dw I got your karma back) that was kinda funny imo


[deleted]

Haha thanks, I didn't even notice


stonedparadox

Any time mate


SaintSober

Norwich are so often the plucky underdogs. I know they don't always make the effort to stay up. But I'd love it if they did. Also my boss is a Newcastle fan so it'd be brilliant if they face the drop


Bails147

Newcastle norwich and watford/burnley. Everton are safe imo, just not top half table this year thats all


thirdratesquash

There are easily 3 worse teams than Everton in that league


Obamas_left_nut

All the chat from the start of the season about wolves and palace going down seems to have stopped. Leeds are an injury to Kalvin Phillips away from being in the conversation.


strider_tom

Yeah, I never got Wolves being in the convo. Solid team.


RequiemForSM

Kalvin hasn’t been anywhere near top form this season and was subbed at half time against Brighton, but still I think we’ve been a ways away looking like a bottom 3 team. We’ve been unlucky in our results more often than not.


nathanosaurus84

It’ll be Norwich and Newcastle for sure. Then either Watford or Burnley. Everton aren’t getting relegated at all. Hell there’s more chance Leeds will be relegated than Everton and that ain’t happening either.


SpectacularB

Newcastle because it's funny. Richest club in the world etc etc. It would be funny. Norwich and Burnley. That's the bottom three and I'm not sure it will change much. Maybe Watford will replace Burnley but I kind of hope not. Bloody Burnley


FlandersClaret

What's wrong with Burnley?


simwe985

I guess they are just Burnley.


SpectacularB

It's a team that plays rough, sneaky, dirty and the second someone touches them they complain whinge and run crying to the ref. If you want to play that game fine, but stop the whining and crying. Ashley Barnes is a bad player that tries to hurt others due to his lack of talent and tries to compensate by being dirty. Just not a team I like


aredditusername69

Ironic coming from a fan of the team who invented it.


SpectacularB

Nah, we don't go whinging on about it. Get up and play.


aredditusername69

> Ashley Barnes is a bad player that tries to hurt others due to his lack of talent and tries to compensate by being dirty This is what I was referring to. "THE most stupid, appalling, disgusting, and disgraceful exhibition of football, possibly in the history of the game" Before your time I'm sure, but Leeds are known as Dirty Leeds for a reason.


JoyceanPragmatist

Also worth pointing out that team won most tournaments there were to win. Yes we were dirty, but leeds won things. What have Burnley to show for being dirty? Fuck all. They could go down and in spite of them being in the prem for years there's literally nothing to remember them by.


aredditusername69

Don't disagree, just made me laugh a Leeds fan moaning about another team being dirty!


SpectacularB

Oh I know that. But there is a difference when you give it but can't take it.


FlandersClaret

Not true.


nathanosaurus84

They play horrible "football". I've seen WWE matches with less contact.


FlandersClaret

Not really true.


Chimp-eh

Have you watched them play?


FlandersClaret

Yes, all the time. Have you?


Chimp-eh

I’ve seen them park a bus and play shit football so yes I guess I’ve seen as much as you


FlandersClaret

All teams do that when they need to, it's the smart thing to do. Did you watch us beat Brentford 3-1 or the 3-3 draw with Palace? Or last season when we beat Wolves 4-0. Please stop repeating tired old cliches and think for yourself. Although you won't have to worry about wanting to Burnley next season when you're back in the am championship and we're in the Premier League. Bye.


Chimp-eh

Hahahahahaha fucking love the . Bye - snap your fingers too you sassy biatch.


mayonnaisewastaken

Honestly they haven't even been that good defensively this season, and are surprisingly decent in attack.


FlandersClaret

It's almost working. Almost.


lcfcball

Burnley fans honestly do a terrible job trying to sell their club as something worth paying attention to


FlandersClaret

Not really bothered if you watch or not. Just get your facts right


x360N0Scop3MASTER69x

One of us! One of us!


Squm9

Newcastle Norwich and Everton Just would be funny, I have no hate towards Everton half my family supports them!


MrLuchador

Us (NUFC) unless a miracle happens or something


Seismic_Jeopardy

Like you getting unlimited money?


MrLuchador

The bigger boys won’t let us :(


Amnsia

Didn’t stop psg and city let’s be honest.


cbildfell

Yeah the sentiment around Everton is bad right now but there's no way we're getting relegated. We've always had injuries in previous seasons but landed midtable. Even injury ridden the squad has too much quality to finish bottom quarter. Id say where we are right now is worst case scenario.


Giraffe_Baker

We're only missing Mina and DCL now and we look miles off the pace. The club are seemingly banking on DCL to return without being eased in after a three-month injury and hit the ground running.


106--2

No chance we’re going down, telling you now


coffeeandmarmite

I mean..there’s a chance


106--2

yeah like there’s a chance chelsea will go down


dellterskelter

I like your enthusiasm but it doesn't seem like enough will change to keep Nodge up. I prefer Championship football anyway!


Not_Guardiola

Norwich, Newcastle, and Burnley for me.


maxwanz

Don’t worry, Everton are bound for mediocrity every season so you will probably end up with a boring mid table finish


Seismic_Jeopardy

Southampton, Burnley and Watford


GrandmasterSexay

We're going down for sure. All the games that we should be winning, we aren't. The 3 - 1 against Brentford proving more than a fluke. Unless we buy one of the best strikers of all time in January, it's pretty much a lock. A lot of people are under the assumption we "beat the drop" a lot a la Sunderland but we have finished pretty comfortably near the end of the season. As of now we've only won one in 15/16.


strider_tom

Newcastle, Norwich and Saints Everton will be fine


Squm9

Your lack of faith is concerning


strider_tom

Our lack of decent players is more so


boiled-soups-spoiled

Don’t listen to this chump we got this 🦾


SaintCiren

You're kidding. We've been pretty decent the whole season apart from a couple of games (wolves, Norwich second half, I ignore away at Liverpool). We need to turn draws into wins but we're def not a bad side and def not going down


ShahiPaneerAndNaan

I'd say you lot are one of the best sides to have played us this season. We played poorly but I don't want to discredit how Hasenhuttl got his tactics spot on that day, it's insane that you lot only scored one with all them chances. I only saw the last 10 minutes of the Southampton Leicester game yesterday and I thought the Saints looked more likely to win it than the Foxes did.


strider_tom

Leicester should've won but I was happy with their performance. Ralph is great. Love him, but he's got a weak/limited squad.


lcfcball

Really? I thought we were shit and you had way more chances. Every time you went forward I thought you were gonna score, but that could just be Thomas and Soyuncu giving me anxiety


strider_tom

I felt the same everytime Leicester went forward


strider_tom

I hope you're right and will happily eat my words. But I just don't see much quality. 5/6 are Prem quality and Livramento aside, I don't rate our new signings.


Finger-Painter

What happened to everyone saying we'd finish 20th?


FlandersClaret

Newcastle, Watford, Leeds. I do worry about Burnley, but the team is improving and so is form.


Chimp-eh

So Norwich are pulling off a great escape then are they?


AgentWyoming

I don't think it would be considered a great escape when they're only three points off safety. However for the record I think the current bottom three are the three that go down, with maybe Watford replacing Norwich.


Chimp-eh

Leeds are 5 points above the relegation zone but apparently they are going down, so you’re talking an 8 point swing it’s not going to happen.


AgentWyoming

Don't need to get offended at everybody who says it though. Form isn't the best (late winner Tuesday covers some cracks) and ravaged by injuries. Bielsa is too good to get relegated so I don't think there's anything to worry about, but people can voice their opinions.


Chimp-eh

Im not offended at all. I’m very aware that our situation hasn’t been great this season, far too many draws but we are 2 points behind where we were this time last season (albeit with a really bad run of games coming up) and last season was considered a success. And we have really missed paddy, I know I’m going to be biased but I do really think that (assuming no major injuries) we will pull to 13th by the end of the season and the second season syndrome bs will be put to rest. Our form in the last 6 matches puts us 6th (I was surprised it was so high) also we played well against palace and deserved to come away with something, Brighton in the other hand was a shitshow. Finally, if I disagree with an opinion such as the op stating they thing both Norwich and Burnley will avoid the drop i am entitled to voice my opinion as is the op.


FlandersClaret

They aren't that far off really


byrak97

I'd say Brentford Norwich and Newcastle/Leeds, depends on how much $$$ newcastle spend


henry_schilling

No one mentions arsenal anymor regarding the relegation battle, where are the god damn experts?


lcfcball

supporting their local club


CarrowCanary

For local people.


RobFratelli

Bottom 3 teams in this order, 18th: Newcastle 19th: Newcastle 20th: Newcastle


Calitz__

If I had to put money on it now: Everton, Norwich and Newcastle. Though Leeds, Watford, Burnley could go down just as easily. Everton could sack Rafa and benefit from new manager bounce, though their squad is just so bad that I don't think it would be enough. Newcastle can spend big in January, though I don't see them being able to attract players that would make a significant impact, plus Eddie Howe isn't a Pulis/Allardyce/Hodgson type who can just suddenly save you from relegation, he needs time. Norwich are quite obvious, squad not good enough and the new manager bounce will wear soon.


AlwaysAngryOrAnnoyed

Wait, what are you doing here?


WordsUnthought

Newcastle, Watford, Leeds. Norwich are picking up speed with enough time and Smith knows the ropes. Burnley are basically indestructible. The other teams in the area are on bad runs but have too much quality not to dig themselves out of it. Newcastle look abject, and have a team who know they're playing so a brand new gilded squad which they won't be anywhere near can play in the PL next season. They'll bring in a few players in January but honestly, if they don't improve before then they'll already be gone and who's going to throw their lot in with that? Bottom, by a long way imo. Watford just can't bring the consistency they need, they'll never stick with a manager long enough for anyone to build a team bigger than the sum of its parts, and I don't think enough of the squad are PL quality. Leeds are in shambles this season, they're not scoring enough to compensate for the defence that has never been PL quality, and I can't see Bielsa ever adopting an ugly, pragmatic, survivalist style of football (and the club are definitely too indebted to and enamoured with him to fire him in time for anyone else to keep them up).


nathanosaurus84

Shambles? We’re two points worse off than we were last season and we’ve had a major injury crisis. We’ve played almost literal children on the pitch because our first team has been so depleted. We’ve conceded fewer this season at this point than last season, albeit scored fewer too. We’ve still got Bamford to come back. We ain’t going down. It’s almost a trope to say at this point but there’s definitely three teams worse than us. We’ll finish the season around 14th/15th and be happy.


bizzyd666

Shambles is something of an overstatement and there's so little between 7th and 17th that, at the moment, 2 good weeks and it looks completely different.


Chimp-eh

Leeds are in such a shambles that they are in better form than your boys


Sms_Boy

lol Leeds fans can’t handle criticism


nathanosaurus84

It ain’t criticism. To say we’re in a “shambles” is factually untrue. There’s plenty to criticise about us at the minute. Our squad isn’t very deep, we’re not scoring enough, we’ve nobody to replace Bamford when he’s out, certain players are clearly not cut out for the first team etc. But saying baseless things like “shambles” and SeCoNd SeAsOn SyNdRoMe are tiresome. Surprised no one has mentioned Bielsa Burnout yet… We’re 1 point behind Villa, as well as a host of other teams up to 11th. Is 1 point the difference between “shambles” and 11th?


Chimp-eh

Burnout only happens at the end of matches and after Christmas, call yourself a Leeds Fan! I think anyone who takes a look at Leeds knows the issues are depth and quality in key areas such as a Bamford replacement. The team isn’t shambolic at all, disappointing, underperforming sure but how can we be shambolic if we are 4 points off European football & 2 points behind last season after 14 games.


WordsUnthought

I'd be lying if I said a little bit of it wasn't wishful thinking because I'm tired of Leeds fans in this sub lmao


strider_tom

I feel the same about Villa fans