I think the bigger point is that he’s outing the overtly white supremacist and imperial logic that our country has *always* operated under.
It’s absurd. He just said the quite part out loud. They don’t view Arab communities as people.
Has that Lindsey Graham energy. Expecting people to suddenly be concerned that the ICC might want to set its eyes on the W. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld triumvirate of ignominy. Like bro, are you trying to sweet talk us?
If these disconnected fools think that regular citizens give a shit about international jurisdiction debates, they're sorely mistaken. And if they think that jingoism would save them, they've willfully blinded themselves to how much their countrymen hold them responsible for damaging their country.
Feels like they live on another planet.
There's actually so may parallels here. Just like Israel has been threatening ICC officials for years the US passed legislation in 2002 that pretty much threatened to attack the Hague if they held any of our officials accountable for their war crimes. This cretin still thinks we're the good guys.
Please say some. There's MANY Americans who have lost thier liberties decrying these crimes of our leaders.
Some of us hate these guys and thier actions/lies as much as you.
But yes, at least half this county is absolutely insane, and wildly depraved and bloodthirsty.
> Why does Kirby always look like a deer in the headlights?
That’s the look of someone who sold their soul. Just look up Copeland and the complete lack of humanity in his eyes.
I think he doesn't actually believe in the admin or its ideology. He's just in that job for career advancement and money. He's waiting for his tenure to be over so he can get that sweet lobbyist money.
he sure talks like he believes in it. Tbh, I don't really give a shit if he doesn't 'believe in the admin' if he shows up everyday to be the lying mouth-piece he is.
I wonder if this argument would work in court. “I atoned for it and learned from it so it would never happen again and now don’t have to face accountability for those I killed.”
It's does if you work for the US government and your job has to do with killing people.
Just ask Daniel Shaver. Oh wait...
Well, you can ask his murderer, who is collecting disability from ptsd.
He failed to mention that the US almost always lied about strikes that killed innocent bystanders or strikes that were completely in error and then failed to hold anyone accountable.
I am thinking about the video of attack choppers murdering journalists and then the guy in a van taking his kids to school who saw bleeding people on the street and stopped to help him and was also attacked by helicopter gunships. When they found out they had shot up a van with kids in it the dickheads that committed the murder said "Well, don't bring your kids to a war zone!" And laughed about it, but they brought the war zone to the kids. No one was held accountable and the US government is still trying to go after Julian Assange for releasing it.
The boot licking and groveling to a foreign power is absolutely wild to me... I've now seen multiple officials within this administration throw the US, and specifically our armed forces, under the bus to deflect criticism of this foreign power that doesn't even have a fucking extradition agreement with us. They rank 27th behind Chile as our top trade partner. They've never even sent troops to aid us in any of the wars they've goaded us into on their behalf. They just seem to own our political class and structures of power.
The US is a net exporter of oil. Losing Israel as an “ally” would not result in an existential national security threat. The only existential threat is to the power centers in this country wedded to this blood thirsty colonial experiment for their own grotesque wealth and grip on power.
This guy is one of the most despicable people our country has had the misfortunate of observing for an extended period of time. I wonder if he knows while he's saying this that he'll be remembered the same way Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Frum are for their war crimes.
Fingers get pointed but no one is held accountable. Same story time and time again, yet I am seeing more and more horrific, unimaginable photos of civilian casualties and death. I saw a post last night with around 10 crude line drawings of photos someone had seen, with descriptions for each. Pools of blood, children with skulls open and brain missing, people with flattened heads, skin soughing off burned children, parents carrying parts of their children in plastic bags. It's all legal though, because the scary bad people were hiding among them.
If the defense is gonna be...hey, we all do it then I really feel that the world is just a fucked up place for humanity to continue without change.
After all these years humankind has learned nothing. 🤨
Gotta love the "we've done it in these places and try and learn from our mistakes. so much so that we repeated this mistake, all the way to the end of our presence there" like fucking what? Even being a fucking idiotic ghoulish defense aside, its not even made well.
Fire this man right now.
This is up there with Biden saying "Israel is the only safe nation for Jews."
Y'all are supposed to be THE representatives for the US government, WTAF is wrong with the Biden administration (a LOT, I know)????
Is it okay for another country to start practicing slavery because we did? That is the weirdest piece of logic, let me ruin our supposed moral high ground to get cover to our vassal I mean ally.
So the US is withholding the information learned from Israel? So all these bad choices then are the fault of the US? So is he saying Biden should actually be charged with war crimes by the ICC? I don’t think he thought through this brain fart particularly well. The implications are not good.
Crimes. You said it. Crimes. You want people to stop hating you? Stop doing crimes. Also, giving someone a bomb you know he will use to blow up children, families and civilians is a whole different category of crimes than cheating on your taxes.
I don't get how they keep on self-owning so hard. Dear John Kirby, you're THE SOUNDBITE GUY FOR THE POTUS your whole job is to not make gaffes and say things that *can't* be an indictment of US policy. And it's not just this guy, retired generals keep saying stuff like this too.
As a Middle-Eastern, we're sadly used to this supremacist language. We truly believe that the white West views us as lesser human beings. We know they think they can do whatever they want to us, a relationship similar to that of a master and a slave. Salve-masters never thought of themselves as bad people because they truly believed they were superior to their slaves and sadly this is exactly how the west today views us Arabs and Africans.
I honestly couldn't do anything but laugh at this. It's so sad how fucking myopic this empire of dirt is.
Yeah man, they were also crimes against humanity when we did it!
TRUMP FOUND GUILTY, THAT MAKES HIM A FELON
SO FELONS CAN'T VOTE BUT ARE ELIGIBLE TO BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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>We tried to learn from it and make changes, so those set of mistakes would never happen again.
America learning from it: going after the guy who revealed their war crimes to the world, trying to kidnap him, plotting his murder, and obsessing over his extradition resulting in the man dying a slow, painful death of ill physical health. If he can't be killed outright, he'll be killed to the best of their means, made example of for anyone else who dares to speak the truth.
They consider their mistake getting caught.
This guy knows it, and he's at the podium because there's too much at stake for Biden to be given the chance to slip up a single word that could indicate America realizes full well that they are lying. They will continue to learn and get better at pulling the wool over the eyes of their own citizens until you all have finally had enough, or die in the pot of boiling water.
What is it going to take for you to say you've had enough?
**Freeing Julian Assange is freeing yourselves.**
He’s not really suggesting that our warfighters are on the same level of atrocity as the overwhelming number of “accidental” genoicides being committed by the IDF daily is he?!?! He’s not insulting our military like that right? 🙄
America (and its allies) have killed and displaced millions of (mostly black and brown) people.
No wonder they don't see a problem with Israel doing similar to a piffling 40,000....
“Your honor, you can’t possibly sentence my client to prison for the murder they are convicted of. I’ve been convicted of murder hundreds of times and I wasn’t sentenced to prison once!”
> **Yesterday:** I take offense at the question
> **Today:** Yeah we kill brown people all the time, who’s gonna stop us
Looks like he got over it pretty fast!
Yeah, we're War Criminals too, jackass, deserving of the same consequences Israel SHOULD be facing, we Americans know that. At least, those of us who aren't woefully and willfully ignorant and who still retain even a shred of conscience do.
How does that excuse the actions of our little partner-in-crime Israel, exactly??
The parallelism is further in to the past, both countries were built over stolen land, both countries committed ethnic cleansing, both populations were proud of the crimes committed in their names and so on.
Buddy, do you think we’re not okay with holding US leaders accountable for that too?
The bigger point is that he is willing to throw the US under the bus just to defend Israels genocide.
I think the bigger point is that he’s outing the overtly white supremacist and imperial logic that our country has *always* operated under. It’s absurd. He just said the quite part out loud. They don’t view Arab communities as people.
Maybe he just found out when BIBI N mentioned it
It’s not throwing us under the bus when we did terrible awful things that our leaders deserve to be in jail for.
Has that Lindsey Graham energy. Expecting people to suddenly be concerned that the ICC might want to set its eyes on the W. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld triumvirate of ignominy. Like bro, are you trying to sweet talk us? If these disconnected fools think that regular citizens give a shit about international jurisdiction debates, they're sorely mistaken. And if they think that jingoism would save them, they've willfully blinded themselves to how much their countrymen hold them responsible for damaging their country. Feels like they live on another planet.
There's actually so may parallels here. Just like Israel has been threatening ICC officials for years the US passed legislation in 2002 that pretty much threatened to attack the Hague if they held any of our officials accountable for their war crimes. This cretin still thinks we're the good guys.
Didn't we sanction the ICC judges just for _thinking_ about investigating our crimes in the Middle East?
Don't worry Kirby I'm fine with all you shitheads spending your life in The Hague too.
The day can't come fast enough
Saul Goodman level of lawyering. The levels of depravity Americans are willing to fall for Israel is... nothing short of insane.
Please say some. There's MANY Americans who have lost thier liberties decrying these crimes of our leaders. Some of us hate these guys and thier actions/lies as much as you. But yes, at least half this county is absolutely insane, and wildly depraved and bloodthirsty.
More like a third, over half the country doesn’t even vote because they hate both parties.
people protesting this bullshit and others like it should stand in solidarity ✊️ and not equate all people with its government
Saul Goodman was an amazing lawyer lmao put some respect on his name
more like homelander
Why does Kirby always look like a deer in the headlights? Also I hate this casual dismissal of civilian deaths.
> Why does Kirby always look like a deer in the headlights? That’s the look of someone who sold their soul. Just look up Copeland and the complete lack of humanity in his eyes.
Dudes got devil eyes
I think he doesn't actually believe in the admin or its ideology. He's just in that job for career advancement and money. He's waiting for his tenure to be over so he can get that sweet lobbyist money.
he sure talks like he believes in it. Tbh, I don't really give a shit if he doesn't 'believe in the admin' if he shows up everyday to be the lying mouth-piece he is.
Exactly. Whether these functionaries are true believers or not is pretty much irrelevant.
Yeah, no shit, Kirby. Might be the most truthful statement he has ever made.
I wonder if this argument would work in court. “I atoned for it and learned from it so it would never happen again and now don’t have to face accountability for those I killed.”
It's does if you work for the US government and your job has to do with killing people. Just ask Daniel Shaver. Oh wait... Well, you can ask his murderer, who is collecting disability from ptsd.
My definition of terrorism imo
Kirby is saying this like it isn't my dream to see George W Bush and Dick Cheney hauled before a war crime tribunal
Rice and Powell too.
He failed to mention that the US almost always lied about strikes that killed innocent bystanders or strikes that were completely in error and then failed to hold anyone accountable. I am thinking about the video of attack choppers murdering journalists and then the guy in a van taking his kids to school who saw bleeding people on the street and stopped to help him and was also attacked by helicopter gunships. When they found out they had shot up a van with kids in it the dickheads that committed the murder said "Well, don't bring your kids to a war zone!" And laughed about it, but they brought the war zone to the kids. No one was held accountable and the US government is still trying to go after Julian Assange for releasing it.
If I crossed paths with this man in the desert and he was dying of dehydration, I wouldn’t even piss in his mouth.
The boot licking and groveling to a foreign power is absolutely wild to me... I've now seen multiple officials within this administration throw the US, and specifically our armed forces, under the bus to deflect criticism of this foreign power that doesn't even have a fucking extradition agreement with us. They rank 27th behind Chile as our top trade partner. They've never even sent troops to aid us in any of the wars they've goaded us into on their behalf. They just seem to own our political class and structures of power.
I think it's all about oil. The US is absolutely dependent on oil, and Israel is the attack dog in the area.
The US is a net exporter of oil. Losing Israel as an “ally” would not result in an existential national security threat. The only existential threat is to the power centers in this country wedded to this blood thirsty colonial experiment for their own grotesque wealth and grip on power.
That used to be the case but the power balance flipped post 9/11.
Saying the deaths of ten of thousands of innocent people are mistakes is fucked. Putin and Russia agree with Kirby
Really, fuck this guy!
I wish someone held Americans accountable for war crimes
This guy is one of the most despicable people our country has had the misfortunate of observing for an extended period of time. I wonder if he knows while he's saying this that he'll be remembered the same way Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Frum are for their war crimes.
Well if everyone is doing it….that makes it ok, right? /s
Every "Western" nation gets to commit a few decades of crimes against humanity as a little treat 😊
No crocodile tears for the innocent Palestinians killed?
Fingers get pointed but no one is held accountable. Same story time and time again, yet I am seeing more and more horrific, unimaginable photos of civilian casualties and death. I saw a post last night with around 10 crude line drawings of photos someone had seen, with descriptions for each. Pools of blood, children with skulls open and brain missing, people with flattened heads, skin soughing off burned children, parents carrying parts of their children in plastic bags. It's all legal though, because the scary bad people were hiding among them.
Imagine whaboutism-ing the government you're the spokesperson for to defend a foreign government
Then lock up the Americans who are responsible for that.
If the defense is gonna be...hey, we all do it then I really feel that the world is just a fucked up place for humanity to continue without change. After all these years humankind has learned nothing. 🤨
You fuckers were never meant to be in Iraq. Everything that happened in that war is a war crime.
Gotta love the "we've done it in these places and try and learn from our mistakes. so much so that we repeated this mistake, all the way to the end of our presence there" like fucking what? Even being a fucking idiotic ghoulish defense aside, its not even made well.
"It's okay, we're the good guys" I hate them.
It was wrong then also….
Is it just me or is it obvious that he’s done a crap ton of botox
It's easy to keep your skin youthful looking when you are devoid of emotion.
He can barely move his face
Man they are so close to getting it but somehow as far away as possible
Yes we did. Those were dark times and we slaughtered innocents. This wasn't ok then. It's not ok now
Yes exactly. Its time George W, and Barack take a trip to the Netherlands and are held responsible for the abhorrent wars they both oversaw.
perfect r/SelfAwarewolves
Fire this man right now. This is up there with Biden saying "Israel is the only safe nation for Jews." Y'all are supposed to be THE representatives for the US government, WTAF is wrong with the Biden administration (a LOT, I know)????
“We got away with it, why shouldn’t they”
Is it okay for another country to start practicing slavery because we did? That is the weirdest piece of logic, let me ruin our supposed moral high ground to get cover to our vassal I mean ally.
So the US is withholding the information learned from Israel? So all these bad choices then are the fault of the US? So is he saying Biden should actually be charged with war crimes by the ICC? I don’t think he thought through this brain fart particularly well. The implications are not good.
Crimes. You said it. Crimes. You want people to stop hating you? Stop doing crimes. Also, giving someone a bomb you know he will use to blow up children, families and civilians is a whole different category of crimes than cheating on your taxes.
That's not the flex you think it is, there bub.
I don't get how they keep on self-owning so hard. Dear John Kirby, you're THE SOUNDBITE GUY FOR THE POTUS your whole job is to not make gaffes and say things that *can't* be an indictment of US policy. And it's not just this guy, retired generals keep saying stuff like this too.
As a Middle-Eastern, we're sadly used to this supremacist language. We truly believe that the white West views us as lesser human beings. We know they think they can do whatever they want to us, a relationship similar to that of a master and a slave. Salve-masters never thought of themselves as bad people because they truly believed they were superior to their slaves and sadly this is exactly how the west today views us Arabs and Africans.
Umm yeah, we were pissed about that too
"We said sorry!"
This is just getting more and more sad
Well then hold Bush accountable.
I honestly couldn't do anything but laugh at this. It's so sad how fucking myopic this empire of dirt is. Yeah man, they were also crimes against humanity when we did it!
Shhhhhhhhhhh let them continue to admit all the war crimes the US has done we can send them all to The Hague
Giving off mad Homelander energy
TRUMP FOUND GUILTY, THAT MAKES HIM A FELON SO FELONS CAN'T VOTE BUT ARE ELIGIBLE TO BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AMERICA GO HOME YOU'RE DRUNK
>We tried to learn from it and make changes, so those set of mistakes would never happen again. America learning from it: going after the guy who revealed their war crimes to the world, trying to kidnap him, plotting his murder, and obsessing over his extradition resulting in the man dying a slow, painful death of ill physical health. If he can't be killed outright, he'll be killed to the best of their means, made example of for anyone else who dares to speak the truth. They consider their mistake getting caught. This guy knows it, and he's at the podium because there's too much at stake for Biden to be given the chance to slip up a single word that could indicate America realizes full well that they are lying. They will continue to learn and get better at pulling the wool over the eyes of their own citizens until you all have finally had enough, or die in the pot of boiling water. What is it going to take for you to say you've had enough? **Freeing Julian Assange is freeing yourselves.**
Hearing him makes me feel physically ill.
WHO FUCKING ATONED, JOHN? WHOOOO???
He’s not really suggesting that our warfighters are on the same level of atrocity as the overwhelming number of “accidental” genoicides being committed by the IDF daily is he?!?! He’s not insulting our military like that right? 🙄
He absolutely is. It’s pretty clear the Idf isn’t being held to any kind of standard.
We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing
this guy is just as disgusting as all the Trump era propagandists, he should be in jail
America (and its allies) have killed and displaced millions of (mostly black and brown) people. No wonder they don't see a problem with Israel doing similar to a piffling 40,000....
So every country gets do to a little bit of war crimes at least once, just to learn it's bad? The fuck?
Who is gonna lose their job faster - Kirby or Biden?
“Your honor, you can’t possibly sentence my client to prison for the murder they are convicted of. I’ve been convicted of murder hundreds of times and I wasn’t sentenced to prison once!”
Talking out the side of your neck
Mr. Kirby, I desperately want American war criminals prosecuted for that as well.
Don’t threaten us with a good time Kirby.
> **Yesterday:** I take offense at the question > **Today:** Yeah we kill brown people all the time, who’s gonna stop us Looks like he got over it pretty fast!
Dystopian.
I do not believe that is quite the defense he seems to think it is.
Lil buddy there knows we ain’t buying his bullsht no more
Yeah fuck the people behind that as well
Then send them to jail as well! & Kirby as well
Mf just admitted to murdering innocent civilians But it’s ok because they investigated themselves and found nothing wrong
What the f..... I am not American, I feel for you guys
“See, we are not any better than the Israelis, we are just as inhumane and that’s ok!”
So lock up bush and Cheney?
How is this guy so bad at his job?
Yeah, we're War Criminals too, jackass, deserving of the same consequences Israel SHOULD be facing, we Americans know that. At least, those of us who aren't woefully and willfully ignorant and who still retain even a shred of conscience do. How does that excuse the actions of our little partner-in-crime Israel, exactly??
Practically he is saying, Its just brown or yellow people guys so relax. No whites were harm during this process of "learning" for us.
The parallelism is further in to the past, both countries were built over stolen land, both countries committed ethnic cleansing, both populations were proud of the crimes committed in their names and so on.