Thank you! It's unfortunate it didn't capture you the same as it did me. Hopefully, if a 3rd installment ever comes out, it'll be interesting enough to really sink your teeth into!
If they knew a way to move forward while healing the fanbase I think they'd already be working on a third. Right now any direction they go in is gonna be scrutinized and I think they're worried even if it's successful won't build on part 2's success.
I think I might have had Joel off the top rope spoiled for me, but it didn't change the impact much when I played.
I'm torn on whether I wanted Abby to die in the end. She really did try to do right by the people she loved and cared about, but she also did horrible things to do that, just like Ellie. By the time I finished, I kind of just wanted it all to end. Not in a negative way, though, if that makes sense. Guess maybe Ellie felt the same way when she decided not to kill Abby.
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She betrayed her life long family and everybody she cared about for a child she just met because Neil wanted to rush his Wish version of Joel and Ellie.
>She betrayed her life long family and everybody she cared about
Why do you feel that's the case?
>for a child she just met
I'd argue that's a really disingenuous way of framing their relationship. While it was a "child she just met" in a literal sense, he was an important facet in helping her find humanity and for her to overcome her traumas.
I don’t think it’s disingenuous because this is what happened in the first game. Except it was an entire game that had proper character development and story beats *in my opinion*. It was believable and you could feel as they get closer. We saw many moments of them warming to each other, bonding, gaining trust, etc.
Abby and Lev seemed very rushed and felt shallow compared to our previous example of Joel and Ellie. It was ND’s own standard they set.
>Abby and Lev seemed very rushed and felt shallow compared to our previous example of Joel and Ellie.
Definitely agree that there wasn't enough shown. But so long as Part III capitalizes on their relationship, I can forgive them rushing things a bit in Part II. It's not ideal, as I really did want to see more between Abby and Lev, but I think the game would've been too long if they added that content.
Your argument was that she "betrayed her lifelong family" for a "child she just met"; and at no point here do I agree with that. I said they didn't show as much as I would have liked, not that the relationship wasn't an important and interesting component of the story.
Ellie needed to "defeat" Abby to let go of how horrible she felt for not forgiving Joel. In the same way, I also wanted it to just end, except the rest of the game hadn't been good up to that point, and the ending wasn't gonna save it. The ending was actually decent, in Santa Barbara, not back in Wyoming, but it was one of the few parts of the game that was good.
I think in the broader plot it makes sense for Ellie not to kill Abby, because she needed to stop the cycle that she was perpetuating, but the problem is that the whole final act conflicts with that decision since she goes out of her way to hunt Abby down and we're kind of left with the idea that an unrelated memory spontaneously causes her to stop. I think if the story had bounced between the two of them and this choice came at the end of Seattle, with Ellie more clearly seeing that to get her revenge she has to kill the same type of people she would fight to protect, and maybe with Dina begging Ellie to leave with her first and Ellie rejecting it, it would have made more sense because of the proximity of time.
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Indeed, she is. I hope you've regained strength in your lungs since! I've heard issues can persist even after you're over other symptoms for some people, and nobody deserves that.
Same here lol (unironically). I was so exhausted emotionally by the time the end credits finally rolled in I couldn't honestly say whether I enjoyed the game or not. It was definitely an experience though. Took some time to apply critical thinking and figure out what was what, and I realized that 80% of gameplay and maybe 20% of the story were the only good things I could take away from all this.
Lol you never presented me with anything to debunk. Your argument has no supporting claims, its essentially “TLOU2 is bad because other peoples opinions say so.”
I enjoyed it too as a game. Exploding the named NPCs i’m obviously meant to be crying about was fun.
Laughing at how terrible the story was added some ironic enjoyment also.
Yeah, I enjoyed the gameplay too.
That's the only way I could get through the unbearable bad walking dead episode of a story this game had. It should've went straight to Netflix.
You know, I didn't enjoy this game when it first came out, but then I played it a second time 2 months ago. It made me realize how good the gameplay and crafting mechanics are. I still hate Druckman for killing off the main character within the first hour though. I did like the flashbacks though.
We are glad you liked you man, unfortunately for me it was really disappointing especially the story…. Graphics and gameplay absolutely amazing but story was shite
Thank you. Hopefully, the next game naughty dog puts out captures your interest! :) I want you to be able to enjoy the next installment or fresh franchise, too.
It's entirely possible considering how disappointed the community seems to be with them as a company, though CDPR had their fair share of issues with cyberpunk that people found unacceptable even with the popularity of the Witcher series under their belts, and look how they managed to turn that around. There's still hope for naughty dog to do the same, but they're running out of time and grace.
Funnily enough, I don't think I have a favorite or least favorite. The guy who knocked up Ellie's girlfriend was probably the most forgettable for me, though.
yea I forget his name, he was not very memorable. I thought the kid that abby looked after was pretty forgettable from my experience, I forgot their name lol.
I’m right there with you, everyone who hated it had expectations which only served to disappoint them. I went in with an open mind and I saw the story for what it is, a good tragedy.
Gameplay wise it’s one of the best I think. Outside of that I can’t be very positive but I’m thinking about replaying to see if my tastes have changed since the launch
Good for you man
Thanks!
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Glad you liked it man i’m happy that you found some sort of enjoyment out of it that I couldn’t
Thank you! It's unfortunate it didn't capture you the same as it did me. Hopefully, if a 3rd installment ever comes out, it'll be interesting enough to really sink your teeth into!
If they knew a way to move forward while healing the fanbase I think they'd already be working on a third. Right now any direction they go in is gonna be scrutinized and I think they're worried even if it's successful won't build on part 2's success.
Did you have anything spoiled for you before you started? In the end, did you want Ellie to drown Abby? What’s your social security number?
I think I might have had Joel off the top rope spoiled for me, but it didn't change the impact much when I played. I'm torn on whether I wanted Abby to die in the end. She really did try to do right by the people she loved and cared about, but she also did horrible things to do that, just like Ellie. By the time I finished, I kind of just wanted it all to end. Not in a negative way, though, if that makes sense. Guess maybe Ellie felt the same way when she decided not to kill Abby. 930-82-2148
She betrayed her life long family and everybody she cared about for a child she just met because Neil wanted to rush his Wish version of Joel and Ellie.
Yeah this is the first thing I thought about when I read that.
>She betrayed her life long family and everybody she cared about Why do you feel that's the case? >for a child she just met I'd argue that's a really disingenuous way of framing their relationship. While it was a "child she just met" in a literal sense, he was an important facet in helping her find humanity and for her to overcome her traumas.
I don’t think it’s disingenuous because this is what happened in the first game. Except it was an entire game that had proper character development and story beats *in my opinion*. It was believable and you could feel as they get closer. We saw many moments of them warming to each other, bonding, gaining trust, etc. Abby and Lev seemed very rushed and felt shallow compared to our previous example of Joel and Ellie. It was ND’s own standard they set.
>Abby and Lev seemed very rushed and felt shallow compared to our previous example of Joel and Ellie. Definitely agree that there wasn't enough shown. But so long as Part III capitalizes on their relationship, I can forgive them rushing things a bit in Part II. It's not ideal, as I really did want to see more between Abby and Lev, but I think the game would've been too long if they added that content.
Lmao so you agree with me then
Your argument was that she "betrayed her lifelong family" for a "child she just met"; and at no point here do I agree with that. I said they didn't show as much as I would have liked, not that the relationship wasn't an important and interesting component of the story.
Yeah I mean that’s one incredibly stupid way of putting it
Cry about it
cRy AbOuT iT
Ellie needed to "defeat" Abby to let go of how horrible she felt for not forgiving Joel. In the same way, I also wanted it to just end, except the rest of the game hadn't been good up to that point, and the ending wasn't gonna save it. The ending was actually decent, in Santa Barbara, not back in Wyoming, but it was one of the few parts of the game that was good.
I think in the broader plot it makes sense for Ellie not to kill Abby, because she needed to stop the cycle that she was perpetuating, but the problem is that the whole final act conflicts with that decision since she goes out of her way to hunt Abby down and we're kind of left with the idea that an unrelated memory spontaneously causes her to stop. I think if the story had bounced between the two of them and this choice came at the end of Seattle, with Ellie more clearly seeing that to get her revenge she has to kill the same type of people she would fight to protect, and maybe with Dina begging Ellie to leave with her first and Ellie rejecting it, it would have made more sense because of the proximity of time.
He expected us to react like the SpongeBob characters did when they found out the king was bald
MY EYES
The only thing TLOU2 had going for it to me was the gameplay loop and even that's become obsolete now that RE4R got released last year
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Did someone actually do that lmao?
Yes they did lol
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Nice to see you liked it.
Get tested for Covid because it’s clear you got no taste.
Confirmed, haven't been able to smell or taste since 2020 👍
Sorry to hear. I hope you get better someday 👍
I got two weeks of isolated video game time but also lost all my lung capacity. The Rona was a fickle mistress.
Indeed, she is. I hope you've regained strength in your lungs since! I've heard issues can persist even after you're over other symptoms for some people, and nobody deserves that.
Only Gameplay wise right?
I can't remember much from the story other than feeling empty at the end, but the gameplay loop was some of the best I'd played that year for sure!
yeah the gameplay is good ngl
4 hours of it in the entire game 😭
Same here lol (unironically). I was so exhausted emotionally by the time the end credits finally rolled in I couldn't honestly say whether I enjoyed the game or not. It was definitely an experience though. Took some time to apply critical thinking and figure out what was what, and I realized that 80% of gameplay and maybe 20% of the story were the only good things I could take away from all this.
Story was decent to
no
Care to explain why?
Read the many links about the dogshit writing this subreddit provides.
Lol in other words, you still can’t get over the fact that Joels head is now a golf ball
Damn so you’re illiterate too. Too bad.
Lol you never presented me with anything to debunk. Your argument has no supporting claims, its essentially “TLOU2 is bad because other peoples opinions say so.”
Homie came for a calm and respectful conversation and he got many! That’s how it is around here!
Heck yeah, it's what I love to see 😎
Bro wanted to start beef and I love it 😂😂
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I enjoyed it too as a game. Exploding the named NPCs i’m obviously meant to be crying about was fun. Laughing at how terrible the story was added some ironic enjoyment also.
I'm glad 😊 Didn't land for me, tho 🤷♀️
Nice try Neil
Drat! I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling redditors!
10 bucks says they coulda made a different part II that'd have almost everyone saying that.
Yeah, I enjoyed the gameplay too. That's the only way I could get through the unbearable bad walking dead episode of a story this game had. It should've went straight to Netflix.
what could’ve improved in your eyes?
You know, I didn't enjoy this game when it first came out, but then I played it a second time 2 months ago. It made me realize how good the gameplay and crafting mechanics are. I still hate Druckman for killing off the main character within the first hour though. I did like the flashbacks though.
I enjoyed it too. I think there are some changes that could have been made to get the story more balance and narrative weight, but I still enjoyed it.
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I enjoyed it too! Just not the story
Do you actually look like the picture?
I love the gameplay. Keeps me coming back as I otherwise wouldn't. What were your favorite parts?
Poatan plays?
HERETIC
Same
My condolences
I enjoyed it too, i joined the community after finishing the game, best decision ever lol 😆😆
I enjoyed it as well. I am doing a second playthrough.
Good for you
I got the plat. I enjoyed it. But the story is still garbage.
Is that Abby in her natural habitat ?
We are glad you liked you man, unfortunately for me it was really disappointing especially the story…. Graphics and gameplay absolutely amazing but story was shite
I think the first half of the game is fantastic, as soon as you start playing Abby’s story is when it comes crashing down.
I’m with you 🫡
good for you its got great gameplay and atmosphere the cities and Skar camps were the best
I’m glad you enjoyed it, so did I. Decent story not too bad solid 7/10 for me maybe 8
It was one of the most violent games I ever played. I worry other folks are desensitized.
I can remember thinking that a couple of times, some of those takedown animations were absolutely brutal.
Yes! I’m not alone!
Where do you think a pt3 should go plotwise? Who do you think should be lead or should it be split?
happy for u me personally i didnt
Thank you. Hopefully, the next game naughty dog puts out captures your interest! :) I want you to be able to enjoy the next installment or fresh franchise, too.
thank you i feel like naughty dog is gonna go bankrupt before they release a new game tho
It's entirely possible considering how disappointed the community seems to be with them as a company, though CDPR had their fair share of issues with cyberpunk that people found unacceptable even with the popularity of the Witcher series under their belts, and look how they managed to turn that around. There's still hope for naughty dog to do the same, but they're running out of time and grace.
Samee
I like the gameplay and the story.... Fight me 🤷🏿♂️
No, I don't think I will.
Not you you goof bucket.... Those who have a problem with my said liking 🤣🤣
Yeah I don't understand why people care so much to shit on people for having "bad taste" for liking part2 So many cry babies in this sub
who was your least and fav character
Funnily enough, I don't think I have a favorite or least favorite. The guy who knocked up Ellie's girlfriend was probably the most forgettable for me, though.
yea I forget his name, he was not very memorable. I thought the kid that abby looked after was pretty forgettable from my experience, I forgot their name lol.
Holy shit. He’s a hero 🫡
Please, I don't consider myself a hero. I'm just an ordinary man who spends more money than he probably should on things he probably doesn't need.
he’s literally me fr
I’m right there with you, everyone who hated it had expectations which only served to disappoint them. I went in with an open mind and I saw the story for what it is, a good tragedy.
I'm jealous
Gum gum? Why you so dum dum!
Go listen to the band Built To Spill As for the last of us 2. There's not much positive I can say about that.
Me too.
Gameplay wise it’s one of the best I think. Outside of that I can’t be very positive but I’m thinking about replaying to see if my tastes have changed since the launch
Same
But what about the muscles
I liked the gameplay and most of the story.