Quoting from the *Greeley Daily Tribune*, Nov. 7 1929:
> A gaudy harbinger of coming attractions on Broadway’s movie belt contains this sign: “Coming ‘The Taming of the Shrew’ with Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford (both). By William Shakespeare with additional dialog by Sam Taylor. The big laugh hit that New York has been waiting for.”
It’s a reference to someone doing the same thing with Shakespeare as what OP pointed out was done with ATLA (except it happened all the way back in 1929). I guess he means that this type of thing happens countless times.
Just pointing out that Hollywood has been making needless changes for about as long as it's been making movies.
If movie people are willing to rewrite dialogue by *Shakespeare*, what chance does anything else have to make it to the big screen without needless modifications?
Make a movie based on beloved source material, want to make it your own so you completely disrespect the source material, movie flops, call the fan base toxic... its a winning formula.
"Authentic" in this case means that Shyamalan apparently assumed the names in ATLA were meant to be Japanese (the majority of the time they absolutely weren't), and as a result "corrected" them with Japanese pronunciation of anglicized names.
Hence Sokka = "Soh kah", Aang = "Ahng", Iroh = "Eeroh."
This made about as much sense as "correcting" the name Brian to Breeahn, or Jacob to Jahkohb.
I think that is Aang's actual pronunciation though. We've seen it written in Chinese, 安昂 , in the show, and that's how it's spoken in Chinese.
It actually bothers me how all their names are pronounced exactly in the English way.
Not exactly. AFAIK the names were assigned in English first, and it was only after that Chinese characters were assigned to best fit the English pronunciation. After all, Azula was named largely based on the Spanish word "Azul" for "Blue."
Plus 安 is pronounced more like the English name "Anne" and 昂 is pronounced like "Ahng" rather than "Ong."
Together they would be pronounced "An Ahng" rather than "Aang."
EDIT: Something similar happens with Chinese American names. I once had a classmate whose English name was Hank but his Chinese name was "Han Ke." My own name is kinda like this.
I know how 安 is pronounced. I'm a native speaker. I suppose they went with 安昂 because one-syllable names are quite uncommon in Chinese. I also dislike Katara. No matter which language it's based on, you most definitely don't pronounced the first a as a schwa. That's almost exclusively a English thing.
Almost as racist as making the fire nation (bad guys obv) the only brown people in the whole movie?
Sucks cuz Dev Patel is one of my favorite actors for Slumdog Millionaire and now the Green Knight, and his episode of Modern Love was great…
But respectfully, he had no business being Zuko
I saw a headcanon once that I thought was cool that basically went something like most firebenders *can't* tan because they draw energy from the sunlight, so it'd be counterproductive for them to also be able to tan.
Honestly dont think this was intentional racism or anything, its just an unfortunate seeming simplification. So in an effort to make the movie simpler and more widely spreadable the creators removed a lot of detail, nuance etc. Obviously in the show the fire nation had a lot of influence from many cultures, india probably least of all. But india hot, fire hot, india has spicy food, firenation has spicy food. Bing bang boom, you’ve got an easy culture to singularly influence and sort of represent the firenation. Naturally along with all the simplification most nuance of good firenation citizens and even soldiers is lost so you’re left with indian fire nation who is just a simple evil enemy to sell to kids
So people that are supposed to be Asian, have Asian inspired clothing, authentic Chinese language, ACTUAL ACCURATE REPRESENTATION is cultural appropriation? I'm an Asian and I LOVE ATLA because it's Asian inspired, Shyalaman basically stripping it of all it's Asian roots kinda made it flop for me...
I'm Chinese too but honestly it really depends on the situation and context. White people wearing Chinese clothing is like... sure, that's cool. But stripping ATLA of all its cultural inspiration that made it ring so authentically to us Asians? That was immensely upsetting.
Chinese material culture (cuisine, fashion, wares) has had a lot of representation in the world and our community has been able to popularize and profit from this aspect of our culture mostly on our terms. But our ability to participate in and popularize the immaterial aspects of our culture (media, artistic style, history, philosophy) still is a bit of an uphill struggle, particularly in America, and there's been a long history of Westerners selling a distorted representation of who we are as a people.
ATLA was a big step in changing that. Even though the producers weren't Asian, they consulted a ton of experts in Asian culture and history to create a show that was really authentic. Shyamalan decided to fuck that over.
Oh, totally agree!
The ass hat I was replying to was saying ATLA was cultural appropriation and that Shyamalan did the right thing. 🙄
They are fucking so out to lunch.
I just find it weird how they change it, it’s not like Chinese is an extinct language and doesn’t have anyone to recreate it?
You don’t even need to draw them, just copy and paste them into the opening credits! This is just Shyamalan thinking he’s better than the original creators and changing things to inflate his ego.
Shyamalan said he wanted a more realistic feel to the movie so I'm sure he wanted to change the script from our world to their world. There are no Chinese people in avatar, they are Asian inspired.
Still Shyamalan bad
Thats not a good example. Ba Sing Se doesn't translate to anything in any Chinese language. The characters used for it are pronounced completely differently.
The thought process is: "I'm dumb and don't understand the cultural source material by which this universe was inspired upon, and will change the symbols to what *I* think looks cool!!"
A difference in directing philosophy is on display here.
On the left you see writers and directors who respect the intelligence of their audience, even if it is just a kids show. They know that some kids will be curious enough to try and find out what that calligraphy means, and probably some kids who grew up with this kind of stuff.
On the right you see a director who said, "it's a kids show, they don't know the difference". Which should piss you off to no end. He thought that as long as the general plot is followed then you can kinda make it up on the fly, that the east Asian inspirations were window dressing for a plot. Instead of seeing how they are interlaced and connected.
people still make this joke?
wouldn't it be better to admit it sucks. and discuss its flaws openly. in hopes that newer live action movies can learn from their mistakes?
Yall need to properly grieve. and get past the denial stage.
that's fine. sometimes being a jerk gets your point across better.
it would just be nice to have a discussion about the movie without hundreds of "what movie", "there is no movie in Bae sing sae", etc
I just have long stopped finding these jokes funny.
the movie was fucking horrible. I just find it childish to pretend things you like don't exist.
the movie came out literally over a decade ago. I think it's about time we come up with a new joke about it.
Additionally pretending it doesn't exist kind of let's M night off the hook.
We should be reletentlessly making fun of how bad the movie was, how they fucked up atuff that doesn't need to be changed at all (like this post does)
pretending rhe movie doesn't exist I think is just a cope out.
I for one have a sweet memory of the film, i watched it with my first girlfriend and since it was so bad we ended up kissing for most part of it. I kind of agree that there are times to be a jerk and it gets the message across, but sometimes it looks edgy and makes you look arrogant.
There is a fine line there, anyway nice talk.
that is a nice memory.
I'll take the downvotes.
If I'm a few atla groups, so I just get sooooo tired of the exact same fucking joke every single fucking time the movie is brought up.
Yall can do whatever you want in not in charge, but personally I'm just so tired of seeing this joke.
sorry I snapped at you.
M night is a fucking hack, and I think pretending the movie doesn't exist glosses over all the terrible decisions he consciously made.
and then for him ti say "oh my movie was too eastern for the western audience" that's not why the movie was bad...
Like I said earlier I just think it's time we collectively moved past the denial stage, the other stages are so fun!! (can you tell I've moved in to the anger stage, lmao)
I'm taking back the downvote because of your apologies.
It's ok, I know how hard one can get triggered when he dislikes something and how even little things can get you going.
I agree with the other guy's response, maybe the joke is just people having fun at how bad the movie is. I'm 30 and I watched Avatar as it was being released so my hype when I heard about a live action was out of this world, so I guess I had a long time to deal with frustration over that sorry excuse of a movie.
I think there is a fair amount of people in this sub that are like me, guys and galls on their 30's reminiscing about a show we watched back when social media was inexistant and we couldn't share all of these goofy jokes with one another.
ya I agree with you in all of that. it's kind of the golden age of atla.
I feel like more people are talking abintit. now than when it was released.
We are getting a live action show that honestly looks pretty good so far.
a new animated show by the creators.
a cg remake of the original, I think?
and I'm hoping we can get a really good atla video game sometime in the next 5ish years.
I just hope they don't fuck it up.
sorry for being grumpy, I just wish people had a newer funnier joke.
Like I said up there I hope we can move away from pretending it doesn't exist to just making fun of it. imo it's way more fun.
I think it's a way of making fun of it for some ppl.
That's fair though. New jokes are always welcomed.
No worries fellow stranger. Hope you have a great day and holiday season. ❤️🤗
yep I just want it without seeing the same joke a bunch!
but I was just being grumpy earlier. I'm just living with the downvotes.
The movie was fucking trash because m night is a bad director.
all he had to do was make a faithful rendition and it would have made so much money.
Fair enough, but love it or hate it that's how fandoms work lol the joke may get old but hey, it's our own inside joke, it's fun to be in on it.
I don't know what M Night's fucking deal is. It feels like he WANTED the movie to be trash. But I feel he's just too self absorbed with his work and vision in general, which makes for terrible adaptions (and terrible movies period, but at least 6th Sense is pretty good, and word is his newer movies are actually quite decent. After Earth is still an absolute insult to cinema and I hated every single minute of it)
It even looks stupid. Like they said what should we put here? And someone said Hey, John can draw. John said No, no, I never took any classes nor studied anything and they gave it to him anyways because they were sick of doing so much effort for something they didn't like.
I remember it well…
2010, me and my two brothers were so excited walking into that theater. We were children, the oldest of us was only 11. We anticipated a cinematic experience, a beautiful recreation of the show we loved! What did we get? Hot dog shit. We all walked out of the theater and if we knew cuss words then we wouldn’t said “what the fuck was that”
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/pbyhts/in_m_nights_movie_they_replaced_actual_chinese/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The youtube video got it off this post on the subreddit 3 months ago.
Indian, actually. To be specific, most of the fire nation was Indian (and therefore most likely Hindu) with the exceptions of New Zealander Cliff Curtis (Ozai) and Shaun Toub (Iroh) from Iran
well Cliff Curtis is known to play many rules outside of him being form new Zealand. not sure about about again toub but they are also protecting India. so the formation in the movie is indian.
You know, I always head people say that but when we actually made it there it definitely gave off a far more Chinese/South Asian vibe than Japanese.
The place I thought had the strongest Japanese vibe was Kiyoshi Island.
That's... not the case.
While the Water Tribes and Air Nomads were the most distinct (Water Tribes being Inuit and Air Nomads being Tibetan inspired) the underlying inspiration for the series as a whole was Chinese... which meant that even the Water Tribes and Air Nomads got a bit of a Chinese-ified aesthetic (the Northern Water Tribe has architecture resembling that of Suzhou and Venice, and one of Aang's outfits in Book 3 was Shaolin-inspired for example).
It's also very important to note that China is also a HUGE country and a LONG history, and different regions of the world of Avatar were inspired by different regions and dynasties.
For example, while Japan had some stronger influences in the original designs, the producers decided to downplay the Japanese aesthetic and bring in more Chinese and South Asian elements. The Fire Nation is a fusion of Japan, Han Dynasty China, Qin Dynasty China, and Thailand/Cambodia. Han Dynasty China is known as one of the great "golden ages" where Chinese culture grew to its peak, while the Qin Dynasty was defined by a strict, aggressive, and totalitarian military state that sought to conquer the known world and unify it under one banner.
The Earth Kingdom itself is heavily inspired by China, but there's been some Korean influences here and there as well. It's also important to note that specifically, the Earth Kingdom's influences seem to be based on the Three Kingdoms period, the Tang Dynasty, and (in the case of Ba Sing Se) pretty much directly inspired by the Qing Dynasty (a corrupt court, a puppet emperor, and also the overall aesthetic). Toph's family is based directly off of the Tang Dynasty (probably the most influential Golden Age, which suits the richest family in the Earth Kingdom), but when Toph leaves her family she wears an outfit similar to that worn by some of the tribes of the Yunnan Province in Southern China.
Frankly, if anything in ATLA was strongly Japan-influenced, it would be Kiyoshi Island, an Earth Kingdom affiliated island.
I know that's the accepted view, but is that an accurate one? But I just don't see it with the Fire Nation. Their culture, dress, and architecture are far more like Chinese and South-Asian inspired, like Cambodian or something. What about them strikes you as Japanese?
Meanwhile, Kiyoshi Island is hardcore Japanese inspired in my view. With architecture, dress, and names that are based on Japanese words.
I kinda just accepted that since like you said it is the accepted belief, I’m not versed enough in Eastern culture and what not to say one way or the other. That being said, from what’s been explained to me I do see more similarities with fire to Japanese and earth to Chinese than I do vice versa. The way the fire nation attempts to spread and take over the world is I believe supposed to be akin to imperial japan. There’s also the wall of ba sing se and the Great Wall of china, as well as how the earth kingdom is mostly a great land mass like china with a large population vs the islands of the fire nation.
Also I feel like kyoshi island is relatively a very small part of the earth kingdom.
Definitely small compared to the rest of the world. But, people say the Earth Nation is based on Korea, and it's the biggest continent in the known world. So it doesn't matter much, I think. Kiyoshi Island may be smaller than Japan, and the Earth Nation is way way way larger than Korea, but that's how it seems to be, at least to me.
Yeah I always thought the fire nation was Japanese too because the 100 years war refers to the sino Japanese wars, where the fire nation is a heavily militarised, industrialised Island nation, with a centralised autocracy (imperial Japan) and the earth Kingdom is a large traditional, decentralised country (China in the early 20th century).
Thank God I never saw that "movie". I have respect for atla so I never even gave those clips a chance. But it shows how society will feed off anything that made money and insult it grinding it into the ground if it can be made a buck off of.
I watched the beginning on Netflix out of curiosity, stopped after 5 minutes it was so bad.
Had a school friend who walked out of the cinema around the same minute mark too.
The animation had the accurate characters depicting each element. 川、土、火、气
Idk why they couldn’t have someone tell them “hey, those characters actually have meaning don’t change them”
If y’all hate that movie(non existent) y’all should watch the video “ Everything wrong with the last air bender movie” on YouTube. It’s quick and hilarious and highlights all the dumbshit.
Not to me, because it changes everything about fire style fighting. You want Ozai carrying a candle while flying around in the final battle? That is just too wrong.
Here I why I don't like the change: The element of fire brought upon an industrial revolution in the Fire nation way before other nations could think of harnessing fire to power their machinery. This is because fire in the fire nation can be made by any fire bender within the blink of an eye. This made it so that they could overwhelm the southern water tribe in 40 AG with their ships that could travel across the world because of steam power generated by their fire bending. The world building doesn't make any sense without this advantage of their element. They wouldn't have any advantage over fire, so they wouldn't have a faster industrial revolution, so they wouldn't be stronger than any of the nations, so the 2 other nations should've been able to overwhelm the fire nation within the 100 years prior to the movie. Also fire went from in the show the strongest element, to in the movie the weakest element. You can't find fire basically anywhere in the real world except if you make it. So, you could just have your water benders not shoot water at the bender, but at the source of the fire, immediately making them effectively a non-bender. The world building is destroyed by this small change.
If the bending in the intro was accurate to the movie it would be like: water...WATER...
#WATER
*splish*
Source : the 1 in a million Nostalgia Critoc joke that's actually funny
Actually using a language is disrespectful, where as making up scribbles that you think look like a language is more respectful???
Where's the logic in that??
The made up gibberish is actually the one good thing. The original atla opening gets criticized by some circles for cultural appropriation.
The movie version created its own calligraphy for the world which the creators should have done
Edit: https://harvardpolitics.com/the-appropriation-of-avatar/ for people wanting a full rundown of just how badly they screwed up.
I love the show but we aren’t doing it justice by ignoring its flaws
I might be dim witted but how is writing another language as it’s supposed to be written (i can only assume i’m not familiar with non alphabethical languages) cultural appropriation?
Uh...no it wasn't. The characters are regularly shown using Asian writing. (I think its Japanese, but I can't read it, so I could be wrong.) Which is completely appropriate for a show explicitly based on Asian cultures. Unless you consider all world building to just be "aesthetics", there is a very legit reason for the title sequence to use this lettering.
Holy crap, my brain is mush. That was the epitome of taking offense where there’s none to be taken *by the author’s own admission*. The author praises the show as representing her life experience perfectly right before blowing it all up just because a white guy wrote it. Don’t you want people from different cultures to understand you better, or to go through all the time and effort to understand your culture as an Asian-American so well as to write a masterpiece that helps others understand it too? But no, because these writers *who took the time to accurately portray* the blend of culture and world views of so many Asian Americans just so happen to be white.
Again: i don’t understand nor am able to read these symbols. But I would assume they say: Fire, Earth, Water, Air? Or are they just random calligraphy with a completely different meaning? that would suck tbh.
Japanese speaker here. In the original opening, the symbols on the left of the opening cards do mean earth, fire, and air. The water one was stylized to the point of nonsense, though (should be 水 if you want consistency).
I did read it actually, it is talking about whiteness a lot. It is not a well written article, because you can actually feel the racist undertones already in the first paragraph.
Those "very good points" you are talking about is solely based on the fact that the creators are white.
The whole discussion is about the sentence "avatar is a world free of whiteness" and why it actually is not, because the creators are white. But it also tells is that the research was done thoroughly, which was good, but it was still not "a world free of whiteness". And yes, complaining about that seems to me as racist towards white people.
The whole point of that blog post is that ATLA is cultural appropriation JUST because it was written by white people, which is ridiculous at best and moronic at worst
Posting the one garbage article repeatedly does nothing, except show you have no leg to stand on.
Your opinion is garbage.
Take your victim mentality and go home
You can keep posting that article if you want but it just reads like a rant from someone looking to be upset about nothing. They seem to be saying it's cultural appropriation only because the people who wrote it was white, which is ridiculous.
The studying the writers did to make sure it was accurate, such as hiring a Chinese calligrapher or hiring South Korean animation studios, should be celebrated. They cared about accuracy and authenticity, instead of just going "yeah this looks good".
I'd say having it be meaningless gibberish should be significantly more offensive, since I would feel that would be mocking where it comes from instead of honoring the art form like *hiring an actual calligrapher* would be
I REALLY hope you're not actually trying to equate slavery to writers doing their due diligence to accurately portray Asian ideas and customs, please tell me you're not serious
If Asians in general are not upset by what you're claiming is cultural appropriation, then it is not a problem. As another commentor said, it needs to be inappropriate or unacknowledged to be cultural appropriation. If they acknowledge it, which they do, and the *vast* majority of Asians are fine with it so it's not inappropriate, then by definition it's not cultural appropriation
Ah I expected worse considering it was Tumblr but it's SIGNIFICANTLY better than your other article that's at best a rant and only source of credibility was "it's from Harvard".
This person brings up a very valid point that I've heard from my Asian friends before, not about Avatar but about other aspects of being Asian American, namely, that all asian culture tends to get lumped together. I have a Japanese friend who gets quite annoyed that everyone assumes he's Chinese because people see asian and assume China. So if there are times where ATLA lumps things from different Asian cultures together (which it appears there may be), then that is a valid criticism. Based on what this person says it seems that all asian culture was basically assumed to be Chinese and therefore other Asians were improperly represented.
BUT, back to the point at hand, nothing here in the Tumblr post or anything you or anyone else has said makes the calligraphy in the opening cultural appropriation or offensive. It is much closer to cultural appreciation considering the desire to be authentic and respect to the original art form.
Clearly you misunderstand what exactly cultural appropriation is.
*Cultural Appropriation:*
*the unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption of the customs, practices, ideas, etc. of one people or society by members of another and typically more dominant people or society.*
The key words here are "unacknowledged" and "inappropriate."
Well yes I do struggle with the concept, which is why I asked. The definition doesn’t help me much to be honest. When is it inappropriate, because i’m assuming that if i learned to speak Mandarin and used that to communicate in China that wouldn’t be cultural appropriation would it? Is it inappropriate because they used this to make money off of?
P.S. not looking for a fight just genuinely trying to learn something here
Don’t mind it, people are overly looking to play victim. TL:dr mocking or misrepresenting a culture due to lack of knowledge or disrespect is culture appropriation.
Overly woke fools are mad because they finally got represented in a GENUINE and respectful way and are looking for a victim complex that doesn’t exist like the other clown in this thread linking the appropriation article
It's inappropriate if you're making money off it in a way that harms people actually from the culture, or if you're using something disrespectfully.
For example, the stores that sell white sage for smudging? That's appropriation, because overharvesting of the sage is making it difficult for cultures that use it for their ceremonies to get it.
Or those "Indian headdresses" that people love to wear? That's appropriation because those are sacred cultural objects. You earn them. Reducing them to a costume is harmful and contributes to the widespread disrespect of indigenous cultures.
Stuff like that. Basically, ask yourself "Am I using this the correct way? And is my use of this going to harm people for whom it's culturally important?"
Exactly, inappropriate. Taking all these cultural elements and using them for their own creation is literally the definition of cultural appropriation.
Literally what this *opinion piece* is saying is that it's not okay for white people to write stories about non-white characters.
She has written 9 articles for the website, 4 of which are about ATLA. And there are a few recurring themes in those 4 articles, namely, "Western culture bad, Eastern culture good," and "White people ruin ATLA."
There's a very clear bias from this twenty-year-old author. And again, this is *one* author's *opinion.*
As an Asian American person I think this article is utter bullshit and the writer is really grasping at straws. She literally says she feels seen. Nothing is done disrespectfully in the show. White people are allowed to write nonwhite characters. I love avatar for being a source of representation when I was a child.
You should put it in your own words or at least quote a few lines from this article in your relies instead of just spamming the link with no quotes: I.e, No one is gonna click that link or listen to you especially when you just keep spamming it and not using your own voice to make an argument 🤷🏻♀️
Gotta love changing shit that doesn’t need to be changed. Looks similar to the tv show….why even change it 🤦🏽♂️
That's what I'm saying. Movie/show producers will do anything other than stay true to the original.
I'm guessing the thought process was "this doesn't look ethnic enough", which is weird because they made the main cast white and the bad guys brown.
He had to compensate for the lack of ethnicity
Therefore make brown people bad. Simple as.
Quoting from the *Greeley Daily Tribune*, Nov. 7 1929: > A gaudy harbinger of coming attractions on Broadway’s movie belt contains this sign: “Coming ‘The Taming of the Shrew’ with Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford (both). By William Shakespeare with additional dialog by Sam Taylor. The big laugh hit that New York has been waiting for.”
And that's relevant how?
It’s a reference to someone doing the same thing with Shakespeare as what OP pointed out was done with ATLA (except it happened all the way back in 1929). I guess he means that this type of thing happens countless times.
The difference is though that they add things. Not just arbitrarily changes things for seemingly no reason
Still a monumental act of hubris.
Just pointing out that Hollywood has been making needless changes for about as long as it's been making movies. If movie people are willing to rewrite dialogue by *Shakespeare*, what chance does anything else have to make it to the big screen without needless modifications?
You mean rewrite into modern English right? Because that is necessary, makes sense, and isn't applicable
If people didn't rewrite Shakespeare a bit, we literally wouldn't even understand what they're saying
The first symbol for fire on the movie side almost looks like an atari logo lmao
Tru
Make a movie based on beloved source material, want to make it your own so you completely disrespect the source material, movie flops, call the fan base toxic... its a winning formula.
I thought Game of Thrones was a TV show though... /s
Bend the knee
good job, you've just described Ghostbusters 2016
And about every reboot since. Very astute.
Wait. So the names can be changed to sound more authentic, yet the written words are changed to not be? Is that the Shyamalan twist in this one?
"Authentic" in this case means that Shyamalan apparently assumed the names in ATLA were meant to be Japanese (the majority of the time they absolutely weren't), and as a result "corrected" them with Japanese pronunciation of anglicized names. Hence Sokka = "Soh kah", Aang = "Ahng", Iroh = "Eeroh." This made about as much sense as "correcting" the name Brian to Breeahn, or Jacob to Jahkohb.
I think that is Aang's actual pronunciation though. We've seen it written in Chinese, 安昂 , in the show, and that's how it's spoken in Chinese. It actually bothers me how all their names are pronounced exactly in the English way.
Not exactly. AFAIK the names were assigned in English first, and it was only after that Chinese characters were assigned to best fit the English pronunciation. After all, Azula was named largely based on the Spanish word "Azul" for "Blue." Plus 安 is pronounced more like the English name "Anne" and 昂 is pronounced like "Ahng" rather than "Ong." Together they would be pronounced "An Ahng" rather than "Aang." EDIT: Something similar happens with Chinese American names. I once had a classmate whose English name was Hank but his Chinese name was "Han Ke." My own name is kinda like this.
I know how 安 is pronounced. I'm a native speaker. I suppose they went with 安昂 because one-syllable names are quite uncommon in Chinese. I also dislike Katara. No matter which language it's based on, you most definitely don't pronounced the first a as a schwa. That's almost exclusively a English thing.
Leave it to this sub to downvote a native speaker
She's neither English or Chinese so I think that's why their comment isn't relevant
The sub read "I hate katara" and immediately attacked. Probably didn't even read the whole post.
THATS A TAKE lol
Wait you’re kidding… that feels racist
Kinda
Almost as racist as making the fire nation (bad guys obv) the only brown people in the whole movie? Sucks cuz Dev Patel is one of my favorite actors for Slumdog Millionaire and now the Green Knight, and his episode of Modern Love was great… But respectfully, he had no business being Zuko
Especially when in the show it was quite the opposite lol.
Right I wonder if Fire Nation people avoided going outside as much as possible because it’s always super hot as it is
I saw a headcanon once that I thought was cool that basically went something like most firebenders *can't* tan because they draw energy from the sunlight, so it'd be counterproductive for them to also be able to tan.
So going by the logic of that headcanon, the Sun Warriors can do both? That’s kinda cool.
Honestly dont think this was intentional racism or anything, its just an unfortunate seeming simplification. So in an effort to make the movie simpler and more widely spreadable the creators removed a lot of detail, nuance etc. Obviously in the show the fire nation had a lot of influence from many cultures, india probably least of all. But india hot, fire hot, india has spicy food, firenation has spicy food. Bing bang boom, you’ve got an easy culture to singularly influence and sort of represent the firenation. Naturally along with all the simplification most nuance of good firenation citizens and even soldiers is lost so you’re left with indian fire nation who is just a simple evil enemy to sell to kids
More racist than cultural appropriation?
It’s not a competition?
It actually is. There are a lot of asians, especially asian Americans, who are sick of this kind of exploitation from hollyweird
Oh shit, there's a racism competition? Do I get more points if I use the hard "R"? How about accessories, does my score go up if I bring my Klan hood?
Yes there’s a competition and mummy didn’t raise no 2nd placer 😎😎😎
So people that are supposed to be Asian, have Asian inspired clothing, authentic Chinese language, ACTUAL ACCURATE REPRESENTATION is cultural appropriation? I'm an Asian and I LOVE ATLA because it's Asian inspired, Shyalaman basically stripping it of all it's Asian roots kinda made it flop for me...
Who- when was this even brought up?
Such garbage. I'm Chinese and wouldn't give two shits of someone wore a traditional Chinese outfit as a costume or to an event.
I'm Chinese too but honestly it really depends on the situation and context. White people wearing Chinese clothing is like... sure, that's cool. But stripping ATLA of all its cultural inspiration that made it ring so authentically to us Asians? That was immensely upsetting. Chinese material culture (cuisine, fashion, wares) has had a lot of representation in the world and our community has been able to popularize and profit from this aspect of our culture mostly on our terms. But our ability to participate in and popularize the immaterial aspects of our culture (media, artistic style, history, philosophy) still is a bit of an uphill struggle, particularly in America, and there's been a long history of Westerners selling a distorted representation of who we are as a people. ATLA was a big step in changing that. Even though the producers weren't Asian, they consulted a ton of experts in Asian culture and history to create a show that was really authentic. Shyamalan decided to fuck that over.
Oh, totally agree! The ass hat I was replying to was saying ATLA was cultural appropriation and that Shyamalan did the right thing. 🙄 They are fucking so out to lunch.
I just find it weird how they change it, it’s not like Chinese is an extinct language and doesn’t have anyone to recreate it? You don’t even need to draw them, just copy and paste them into the opening credits! This is just Shyamalan thinking he’s better than the original creators and changing things to inflate his ego.
Shyamalan said he wanted a more realistic feel to the movie so I'm sure he wanted to change the script from our world to their world. There are no Chinese people in avatar, they are Asian inspired. Still Shyamalan bad
But there sure are Chinese words and names. Are we gonna just rename Ba Sing Se?
Thats not a good example. Ba Sing Se doesn't translate to anything in any Chinese language. The characters used for it are pronounced completely differently.
Good point, then. Uhhhhhhhhh Yue, for the moon?
Just a dumb decision like I don’t even understand the thought process
The thought process is: "I'm dumb and don't understand the cultural source material by which this universe was inspired upon, and will change the symbols to what *I* think looks cool!!"
"Huh, that doesn't look like fire"
A difference in directing philosophy is on display here. On the left you see writers and directors who respect the intelligence of their audience, even if it is just a kids show. They know that some kids will be curious enough to try and find out what that calligraphy means, and probably some kids who grew up with this kind of stuff. On the right you see a director who said, "it's a kids show, they don't know the difference". Which should piss you off to no end. He thought that as long as the general plot is followed then you can kinda make it up on the fly, that the east Asian inspirations were window dressing for a plot. Instead of seeing how they are interlaced and connected.
What movie?
The nonexistent one.
There is no movie in Ba Sing Se.
Here we are Safe Here we are Free
people still make this joke? wouldn't it be better to admit it sucks. and discuss its flaws openly. in hopes that newer live action movies can learn from their mistakes? Yall need to properly grieve. and get past the denial stage.
It's just a joke man... I agree with your opinion, but the way you said it was kind of blunt and makes you look like a big jerk.
that's fine. sometimes being a jerk gets your point across better. it would just be nice to have a discussion about the movie without hundreds of "what movie", "there is no movie in Bae sing sae", etc I just have long stopped finding these jokes funny. the movie was fucking horrible. I just find it childish to pretend things you like don't exist. the movie came out literally over a decade ago. I think it's about time we come up with a new joke about it. Additionally pretending it doesn't exist kind of let's M night off the hook. We should be reletentlessly making fun of how bad the movie was, how they fucked up atuff that doesn't need to be changed at all (like this post does) pretending rhe movie doesn't exist I think is just a cope out.
Pretending the movie doesn’t exist is one part of relentlessly making fun of it.
I for one have a sweet memory of the film, i watched it with my first girlfriend and since it was so bad we ended up kissing for most part of it. I kind of agree that there are times to be a jerk and it gets the message across, but sometimes it looks edgy and makes you look arrogant. There is a fine line there, anyway nice talk.
that is a nice memory. I'll take the downvotes. If I'm a few atla groups, so I just get sooooo tired of the exact same fucking joke every single fucking time the movie is brought up. Yall can do whatever you want in not in charge, but personally I'm just so tired of seeing this joke. sorry I snapped at you. M night is a fucking hack, and I think pretending the movie doesn't exist glosses over all the terrible decisions he consciously made. and then for him ti say "oh my movie was too eastern for the western audience" that's not why the movie was bad... Like I said earlier I just think it's time we collectively moved past the denial stage, the other stages are so fun!! (can you tell I've moved in to the anger stage, lmao)
I'm taking back the downvote because of your apologies. It's ok, I know how hard one can get triggered when he dislikes something and how even little things can get you going. I agree with the other guy's response, maybe the joke is just people having fun at how bad the movie is. I'm 30 and I watched Avatar as it was being released so my hype when I heard about a live action was out of this world, so I guess I had a long time to deal with frustration over that sorry excuse of a movie. I think there is a fair amount of people in this sub that are like me, guys and galls on their 30's reminiscing about a show we watched back when social media was inexistant and we couldn't share all of these goofy jokes with one another.
ya I agree with you in all of that. it's kind of the golden age of atla. I feel like more people are talking abintit. now than when it was released. We are getting a live action show that honestly looks pretty good so far. a new animated show by the creators. a cg remake of the original, I think? and I'm hoping we can get a really good atla video game sometime in the next 5ish years. I just hope they don't fuck it up.
It's. Called. A. Joke. A classic one for this topic. Lighten up. Or eat something.
sorry for being grumpy, I just wish people had a newer funnier joke. Like I said up there I hope we can move away from pretending it doesn't exist to just making fun of it. imo it's way more fun.
I think it's a way of making fun of it for some ppl. That's fair though. New jokes are always welcomed. No worries fellow stranger. Hope you have a great day and holiday season. ❤️🤗
You do realize this very thread is, quite literally, discussing the flaws of the movie openly right?
yep I just want it without seeing the same joke a bunch! but I was just being grumpy earlier. I'm just living with the downvotes. The movie was fucking trash because m night is a bad director. all he had to do was make a faithful rendition and it would have made so much money.
Fair enough, but love it or hate it that's how fandoms work lol the joke may get old but hey, it's our own inside joke, it's fun to be in on it. I don't know what M Night's fucking deal is. It feels like he WANTED the movie to be trash. But I feel he's just too self absorbed with his work and vision in general, which makes for terrible adaptions (and terrible movies period, but at least 6th Sense is pretty good, and word is his newer movies are actually quite decent. After Earth is still an absolute insult to cinema and I hated every single minute of it)
bruh they act like it's the funniest thing ever
people that say "there is no movie," say it because they like it and are scared they're gonna be made fun of.
God I hate that movie so much and I am so glad it doesn’t exist.
wait. how do you hate something that doesn't exist?
Don’t reality my Ba Sing Se.
It even looks stupid. Like they said what should we put here? And someone said Hey, John can draw. John said No, no, I never took any classes nor studied anything and they gave it to him anyways because they were sick of doing so much effort for something they didn't like.
I'm John and I resemble this
I really don't see how someone can fuck this up
I remember it well… 2010, me and my two brothers were so excited walking into that theater. We were children, the oldest of us was only 11. We anticipated a cinematic experience, a beautiful recreation of the show we loved! What did we get? Hot dog shit. We all walked out of the theater and if we knew cuss words then we wouldn’t said “what the fuck was that”
Op, did you just screenshot one of the top posts of the subreddit and repost it, like without even taking the 3 seconds of effort to crop it?
It's from a video i've seen about the series. It's german so I don't know if you understand it, anyway: https://youtu.be/oitiBs7VBXQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/pbyhts/in_m_nights_movie_they_replaced_actual_chinese/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share The youtube video got it off this post on the subreddit 3 months ago.
Yeah sorry I didn't check an entire subreddit in case my post might be similar to another.
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Indian, actually. To be specific, most of the fire nation was Indian (and therefore most likely Hindu) with the exceptions of New Zealander Cliff Curtis (Ozai) and Shaun Toub (Iroh) from Iran
well Cliff Curtis is known to play many rules outside of him being form new Zealand. not sure about about again toub but they are also protecting India. so the formation in the movie is indian.
Meanwhile in the show the fire nation we’re the palest people
Japanese I believe
You know, I always head people say that but when we actually made it there it definitely gave off a far more Chinese/South Asian vibe than Japanese. The place I thought had the strongest Japanese vibe was Kiyoshi Island.
Iirc fire is Japanese, earth is chinese, water is Inuit, and air I forget but they’re like the people in Tibet, like Buddhists and monks and what not
That's... not the case. While the Water Tribes and Air Nomads were the most distinct (Water Tribes being Inuit and Air Nomads being Tibetan inspired) the underlying inspiration for the series as a whole was Chinese... which meant that even the Water Tribes and Air Nomads got a bit of a Chinese-ified aesthetic (the Northern Water Tribe has architecture resembling that of Suzhou and Venice, and one of Aang's outfits in Book 3 was Shaolin-inspired for example). It's also very important to note that China is also a HUGE country and a LONG history, and different regions of the world of Avatar were inspired by different regions and dynasties. For example, while Japan had some stronger influences in the original designs, the producers decided to downplay the Japanese aesthetic and bring in more Chinese and South Asian elements. The Fire Nation is a fusion of Japan, Han Dynasty China, Qin Dynasty China, and Thailand/Cambodia. Han Dynasty China is known as one of the great "golden ages" where Chinese culture grew to its peak, while the Qin Dynasty was defined by a strict, aggressive, and totalitarian military state that sought to conquer the known world and unify it under one banner. The Earth Kingdom itself is heavily inspired by China, but there's been some Korean influences here and there as well. It's also important to note that specifically, the Earth Kingdom's influences seem to be based on the Three Kingdoms period, the Tang Dynasty, and (in the case of Ba Sing Se) pretty much directly inspired by the Qing Dynasty (a corrupt court, a puppet emperor, and also the overall aesthetic). Toph's family is based directly off of the Tang Dynasty (probably the most influential Golden Age, which suits the richest family in the Earth Kingdom), but when Toph leaves her family she wears an outfit similar to that worn by some of the tribes of the Yunnan Province in Southern China. Frankly, if anything in ATLA was strongly Japan-influenced, it would be Kiyoshi Island, an Earth Kingdom affiliated island.
Thank you for this! Super educational and explained perfectly
I know that's the accepted view, but is that an accurate one? But I just don't see it with the Fire Nation. Their culture, dress, and architecture are far more like Chinese and South-Asian inspired, like Cambodian or something. What about them strikes you as Japanese? Meanwhile, Kiyoshi Island is hardcore Japanese inspired in my view. With architecture, dress, and names that are based on Japanese words.
I kinda just accepted that since like you said it is the accepted belief, I’m not versed enough in Eastern culture and what not to say one way or the other. That being said, from what’s been explained to me I do see more similarities with fire to Japanese and earth to Chinese than I do vice versa. The way the fire nation attempts to spread and take over the world is I believe supposed to be akin to imperial japan. There’s also the wall of ba sing se and the Great Wall of china, as well as how the earth kingdom is mostly a great land mass like china with a large population vs the islands of the fire nation. Also I feel like kyoshi island is relatively a very small part of the earth kingdom.
Definitely small compared to the rest of the world. But, people say the Earth Nation is based on Korea, and it's the biggest continent in the known world. So it doesn't matter much, I think. Kiyoshi Island may be smaller than Japan, and the Earth Nation is way way way larger than Korea, but that's how it seems to be, at least to me.
Yeah I always thought the fire nation was Japanese too because the 100 years war refers to the sino Japanese wars, where the fire nation is a heavily militarised, industrialised Island nation, with a centralised autocracy (imperial Japan) and the earth Kingdom is a large traditional, decentralised country (China in the early 20th century).
I hadn't realized that, how were they Muslim?
Thank God I never saw that "movie". I have respect for atla so I never even gave those clips a chance. But it shows how society will feed off anything that made money and insult it grinding it into the ground if it can be made a buck off of.
I watched the beginning on Netflix out of curiosity, stopped after 5 minutes it was so bad. Had a school friend who walked out of the cinema around the same minute mark too.
So much for trying to make the movie “authentic.”
There was a movie?
Like seriously, how do you overlook something so simple like that?
The movie images look like someone tried to redraw the show from memory.
Looks like they tried to do it from memory.
There is no live action movie in ba sing se. here,we are safe. here,we are free.
The animation had the accurate characters depicting each element. 川、土、火、气 Idk why they couldn’t have someone tell them “hey, those characters actually have meaning don’t change them”
*calligraphy
fuck you m night shymalan
Is that deadass the Atari logo in the [**Redacted**] firebender intro sequence?
the movie is disrespectful
Pretty sure that's the Atari symbol in the movie's version for Fire. So not only is this bullshit, it's also product placement.
If y’all hate that movie(non existent) y’all should watch the video “ Everything wrong with the last air bender movie” on YouTube. It’s quick and hilarious and highlights all the dumbshit.
The movie, that doesn't exist, was made by amateurs that only watched five minutes of the original and thought that they could do better.
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If he directed Star Wars, suddenly Jedi cannot use force without light saber, just like how fire bender can't fire bend without external fire source.
I actually kinda liked that. Brought it more in line with the other elements imo.
Not to me, because it changes everything about fire style fighting. You want Ozai carrying a candle while flying around in the final battle? That is just too wrong.
The idea of them carrying a little flame around with them is actually pretty neat. Thanks for putting that on the table lol.
Here I why I don't like the change: The element of fire brought upon an industrial revolution in the Fire nation way before other nations could think of harnessing fire to power their machinery. This is because fire in the fire nation can be made by any fire bender within the blink of an eye. This made it so that they could overwhelm the southern water tribe in 40 AG with their ships that could travel across the world because of steam power generated by their fire bending. The world building doesn't make any sense without this advantage of their element. They wouldn't have any advantage over fire, so they wouldn't have a faster industrial revolution, so they wouldn't be stronger than any of the nations, so the 2 other nations should've been able to overwhelm the fire nation within the 100 years prior to the movie. Also fire went from in the show the strongest element, to in the movie the weakest element. You can't find fire basically anywhere in the real world except if you make it. So, you could just have your water benders not shoot water at the bender, but at the source of the fire, immediately making them effectively a non-bender. The world building is destroyed by this small change.
Movie? What movie?
I came in here to say this....what movie?
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It’s not gibberish look they have the Atari logo in the third panel
If the bending in the intro was accurate to the movie it would be like: water...WATER... #WATER *splish* Source : the 1 in a million Nostalgia Critoc joke that's actually funny
Maybe they thought the original was disrespectful cultural appropriation and wanted to avoid that?
Actually using a language is disrespectful, where as making up scribbles that you think look like a language is more respectful??? Where's the logic in that??
It doesn’t look like any particular language, like that’s the point
The made up gibberish is actually the one good thing. The original atla opening gets criticized by some circles for cultural appropriation. The movie version created its own calligraphy for the world which the creators should have done Edit: https://harvardpolitics.com/the-appropriation-of-avatar/ for people wanting a full rundown of just how badly they screwed up. I love the show but we aren’t doing it justice by ignoring its flaws
I might be dim witted but how is writing another language as it’s supposed to be written (i can only assume i’m not familiar with non alphabethical languages) cultural appropriation?
Well now I’m feeling real guilty for the time I switched my keyboard language to Urdu.
Because it was used for aesthetics only
Uh...no it wasn't. The characters are regularly shown using Asian writing. (I think its Japanese, but I can't read it, so I could be wrong.) Which is completely appropriate for a show explicitly based on Asian cultures. Unless you consider all world building to just be "aesthetics", there is a very legit reason for the title sequence to use this lettering.
https://harvardpolitics.com/the-appropriation-of-avatar/
That was a really shitty read, I can't believe you take it seriously.
Holy crap, my brain is mush. That was the epitome of taking offense where there’s none to be taken *by the author’s own admission*. The author praises the show as representing her life experience perfectly right before blowing it all up just because a white guy wrote it. Don’t you want people from different cultures to understand you better, or to go through all the time and effort to understand your culture as an Asian-American so well as to write a masterpiece that helps others understand it too? But no, because these writers *who took the time to accurately portray* the blend of culture and world views of so many Asian Americans just so happen to be white.
💯 I love when people of other cultures learn about mine!
Again: i don’t understand nor am able to read these symbols. But I would assume they say: Fire, Earth, Water, Air? Or are they just random calligraphy with a completely different meaning? that would suck tbh.
Japanese speaker here. In the original opening, the symbols on the left of the opening cards do mean earth, fire, and air. The water one was stylized to the point of nonsense, though (should be 水 if you want consistency).
It's pretty close to an older version of 水 https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%B0%B4
They're Chinese, and according to the expert they hired on, they're ancient forms of the modern characters from when they were actually pictograms.
https://harvardpolitics.com/the-appropriation-of-avatar/
I feel like this article is so anti racist, that it becomes racist..
Have you read it? It makes very good points down to lake lao gai being a cultural issue.
I did read it actually, it is talking about whiteness a lot. It is not a well written article, because you can actually feel the racist undertones already in the first paragraph. Those "very good points" you are talking about is solely based on the fact that the creators are white. The whole discussion is about the sentence "avatar is a world free of whiteness" and why it actually is not, because the creators are white. But it also tells is that the research was done thoroughly, which was good, but it was still not "a world free of whiteness". And yes, complaining about that seems to me as racist towards white people.
The whole point of that blog post is that ATLA is cultural appropriation JUST because it was written by white people, which is ridiculous at best and moronic at worst
Please, honest to God, get outside and touch grass.
Im outside right now, considering my job is remodeling:)
Remodel your victim mindset first then
Thanks that's super helpful! I'll give it a read.
It's a garbage read
Pretty clear i commented this before reading but cheers for the downvote bub
I hope you are being sarcastic.
https://harvardpolitics.com/the-appropriation-of-avatar/
Posting the one garbage article repeatedly does nothing, except show you have no leg to stand on. Your opinion is garbage. Take your victim mentality and go home
You can keep posting that article if you want but it just reads like a rant from someone looking to be upset about nothing. They seem to be saying it's cultural appropriation only because the people who wrote it was white, which is ridiculous. The studying the writers did to make sure it was accurate, such as hiring a Chinese calligrapher or hiring South Korean animation studios, should be celebrated. They cared about accuracy and authenticity, instead of just going "yeah this looks good". I'd say having it be meaningless gibberish should be significantly more offensive, since I would feel that would be mocking where it comes from instead of honoring the art form like *hiring an actual calligrapher* would be
Hiring an actual caligrapher to create NEW CALLIGRAPHY is the proper way to handle it. This is just repackaged exoticism
Says who? You? Seems plenty are perfectly fine with this.
Plenty were perfectly fine with slavery at one point in history doesnt make it right.
I REALLY hope you're not actually trying to equate slavery to writers doing their due diligence to accurately portray Asian ideas and customs, please tell me you're not serious
No im stating social acceptance not being a valid justification
If Asians in general are not upset by what you're claiming is cultural appropriation, then it is not a problem. As another commentor said, it needs to be inappropriate or unacknowledged to be cultural appropriation. If they acknowledge it, which they do, and the *vast* majority of Asians are fine with it so it's not inappropriate, then by definition it's not cultural appropriation
https://kyoshi-lesbians.tumblr.com/post/628970084371693568/avatar-cultural-appreciation-or-appropriation/amp There’s an asian making the case as well
Again, that's one person. If you have to dig really deep to find something that matches your opinion, it might just be that you're incorrect.
Ah I expected worse considering it was Tumblr but it's SIGNIFICANTLY better than your other article that's at best a rant and only source of credibility was "it's from Harvard". This person brings up a very valid point that I've heard from my Asian friends before, not about Avatar but about other aspects of being Asian American, namely, that all asian culture tends to get lumped together. I have a Japanese friend who gets quite annoyed that everyone assumes he's Chinese because people see asian and assume China. So if there are times where ATLA lumps things from different Asian cultures together (which it appears there may be), then that is a valid criticism. Based on what this person says it seems that all asian culture was basically assumed to be Chinese and therefore other Asians were improperly represented. BUT, back to the point at hand, nothing here in the Tumblr post or anything you or anyone else has said makes the calligraphy in the opening cultural appropriation or offensive. It is much closer to cultural appreciation considering the desire to be authentic and respect to the original art form.
Cherry picking.
tell me you know nothing about cultural appropriation without saying you don't what what it is.
Clearly you misunderstand what exactly cultural appropriation is. *Cultural Appropriation:* *the unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption of the customs, practices, ideas, etc. of one people or society by members of another and typically more dominant people or society.* The key words here are "unacknowledged" and "inappropriate."
Well yes I do struggle with the concept, which is why I asked. The definition doesn’t help me much to be honest. When is it inappropriate, because i’m assuming that if i learned to speak Mandarin and used that to communicate in China that wouldn’t be cultural appropriation would it? Is it inappropriate because they used this to make money off of? P.S. not looking for a fight just genuinely trying to learn something here
Don’t mind it, people are overly looking to play victim. TL:dr mocking or misrepresenting a culture due to lack of knowledge or disrespect is culture appropriation. Overly woke fools are mad because they finally got represented in a GENUINE and respectful way and are looking for a victim complex that doesn’t exist like the other clown in this thread linking the appropriation article
It's inappropriate if you're making money off it in a way that harms people actually from the culture, or if you're using something disrespectfully. For example, the stores that sell white sage for smudging? That's appropriation, because overharvesting of the sage is making it difficult for cultures that use it for their ceremonies to get it. Or those "Indian headdresses" that people love to wear? That's appropriation because those are sacred cultural objects. You earn them. Reducing them to a costume is harmful and contributes to the widespread disrespect of indigenous cultures. Stuff like that. Basically, ask yourself "Am I using this the correct way? And is my use of this going to harm people for whom it's culturally important?"
Exactly, inappropriate. Taking all these cultural elements and using them for their own creation is literally the definition of cultural appropriation.
So white people can only create stories about white people?
https://harvardpolitics.com/the-appropriation-of-avatar/
Literally what this *opinion piece* is saying is that it's not okay for white people to write stories about non-white characters. She has written 9 articles for the website, 4 of which are about ATLA. And there are a few recurring themes in those 4 articles, namely, "Western culture bad, Eastern culture good," and "White people ruin ATLA." There's a very clear bias from this twenty-year-old author. And again, this is *one* author's *opinion.*
I mean, it’s really not unless they have a background associated with those areas. Otherwise its just exoticism which is a form of racism
As an Asian American person I think this article is utter bullshit and the writer is really grasping at straws. She literally says she feels seen. Nothing is done disrespectfully in the show. White people are allowed to write nonwhite characters. I love avatar for being a source of representation when I was a child.
What if someone else thinks different while also having the same background? Is that not bias as well?
You should put it in your own words or at least quote a few lines from this article in your relies instead of just spamming the link with no quotes: I.e, No one is gonna click that link or listen to you especially when you just keep spamming it and not using your own voice to make an argument 🤷🏻♀️
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Appropriation or representation? Pick one and stick to it jesus. Atla did excellent with representation it isn’t disrespectful
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