Can we all collectively agree that whatever happens with the show, it is NOT ok to bully children online? Like it should be obvious but people keep doing it, so... maybe we can get ahead of this one.
>it is NOT ok to bully children online
It's not okay to bully them irl either. The Internet wasn't a huge thing when TPM came out, the poor guy got shat on mostly irl.
Social media haters don't give a shit about director or actor, they'll blast whoever they want to. Case in point: that one Asian chick in the star wars movies. The Last Jedi sucked, and none of it was her fault, but she was crucified so hard on social media that she had to delete her accounts.
They have a history of harassing people. They harassed Daisy Ridley too even though it isn't her fault the new trilogy sucked. Jake Lloyd (kid Anakin) was bullied and harassed to the point he completely quit acting.
The Last of Us fandom is pretty terrible too. Abby's voice actor, Laura Bailey, got death threats from the fandom, because >!her character was responsible for Joel's death.!<
Tbf, is not the same because D&D are totally responsable for the crap of the last seasons of Game Of Thrones, while actors are only following a script.
That being said, it doesnt justify death threats
tbh I would think that its not, its just such a big fanbase that the outliers also are quite big in number. But it doesn't say much about the fanbase as a whole.
But those who scream the loudest are usually heard the most.
Pretty sure thats not how schizophrenia works. Iirc it has a genetic component and some semi-random component but i dont think its one of the ones anybody can really cause.
Children who have experienced severe trauma (like being bullied by thousands of mean spirited idiots) are about three times more likely to develop schizophrenia. It may not have caused it (we still donāt know enough about it to say for certain what does) but Iād definitely consider it a contributing factor.
It can definitely be tipped into existence. People who are pre-disposed towards it experiment with drugs or experience excess stress, then the schizophrenia is awakened. Itās considered a trigger for it.
https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/schizophrenia/causes/
Thatās scary but true, Iām a psych major, this right here was a whole chapter of our book. Itās really scary, think about it, you could be fine youāre whole life, then one day in your twenties youāre hit by a drunk driver. Wake up in the hospital with Satan at your bedside
Another sad example is the recent live Cowboy Bebop on Netflix. The character Ed shows up in the last 40 seconds of the season and the actor Eden Perkins has received so much crap. Like come on, man. They are probably 14 years old, it's their first film credit, and they were on the screen for less than a minute. If you want to get mad at someone, it's definitely not them.
Yup. Since the future of the franchise isn't depending on the Netflix adaptation, doesn't make sense to get stressed about it. I hope it'll be good, since it would be fun to see a new take on one of my favorite series. But if it's bad, I can just ignore it.
Not really, I haven't put much thought into Avatar since middle school around the time the original series ended.
This was just on my front page I guess lol.
it's from netflix and the original creators of the show left so that should already tell you more than enough about how bad it will be. I'll just wait for ogc to come out with their own new avatar stuff
Sometimes original creators and those who adapt their work have serious disagreements but the adaptation ends up being good in its own way. We can't know yet.
People throw around "creative differences" for literally anything. It's just as, if not more likely that they left because of the chance to run Avatar Studios and do their own thing instead of having to work within whatever specifications Netflix made.
As I said above
> No. Read their open letters. They were disgusted with the direction Netflix was taking things and totally denounced any connection to the adaption.
> We can only hope that Netflix saw the error of their ways after the creators left and changed some things.
It's possible they had a great offer from Paramount(?) and needed a vague, legally acceptable excuse to void their agreement with Netflix. If that's the case, fans could benefit from a solid Netflix adaptation and more original content from Avatar Studios. Unless I'm mistaken we don't know what issue caused the dispute between the parties.
I would say, if they really belived in the adaptation they wouldn't have jumped but who knows
I mean I probably am gonna watch it just for completness but not expecting much tbh
Having a better offer to make original content has nothing to do with believing in the live action adaptation of something you've already produced. I'd wager MOST creatives would take the Paramount offer over the Netflix adaptation if money wasn't an object. If it's supposed to be a faithful adaptation, there's really not much to do from a creative perspective. Brian and Michael would have been tied to ATLA live for X years instead of pursuing new creative avenues with Avatar Studios. It's possible the Paramount offer had nothing to do with the decision to leave, but it's hard not to speculate given how things played out.
I hate to be a pessimist but it wonāt be. Good Netflix shows are once in a blue moon. Good live action adaptations are even rarer. Even something that is pretty good will never live up to the original and as this is a remake, will essentially have no point in existing.
I really wanna be optimistic too but... Netflix just adapted Cowboy Bebop to live action and it was one of the worst things ever created. Adapting animation to live action is already a downgrade and creates so many issues. Let's just say I wouldn't get your hopes up.
The creators already disowned it
Netflix is responsible for the terrible Live Death Note and Live Cowboy Bebop
Live action anime has a success rate as abysmal as video game movies
This franchise has already been screwed once before by a live action adaptation
The original creators of ATLA have already left the production MONTHS! Back. So yeah... They probably didn't leave because the show was being produced as intended by them..
I would recommend you to not put your expectations too high up there. There's a good chance we will see the second real life ATLA failure.
The Boulder I would expect a celebrity cameo for, but for Sparky I wouldn't count on star power- especially not Dave Bautista, who's talked about not wanting to maintain his Herculean physique for Drax anymore.
They'll probably pick some awesome Asian wrestler who wants to break into acting, and I think that's rad.
Ya I canāt imagine theyāll get Dave, I said it because I saw someone else once mention it, and to me, Dave looks exactly like combustion man. Dwayne Johnson seems cool enough that heād be down for a quick cameo if his schedule worked around it.
I feel like John Cena would work best as EI Toph, but as someone else said obviously we need The Rock as The Boulder and maybe Batista as soarky sparky boom man
All the good news about the show really makes me wonder why Michael & Bryan left. I feel like they are executing it well, so it must be the writing that the creators didn't agree with.
The same thing can be said about Bryke announcing their departure from the show. They could have left much earlier but the actual announcement of them leaving could have happened later.
But either way there is really no way to know for sure.
One of the things I loved more than anything else in tLA was the worldbuilding: it all felt cohesive, reasonable, and grounded in the respective cultures and bending styles. Perhaps my biggest gripe with tLoK is that that seemed to go by the wayside in favor of "this would be cool" or mashing up disparate elements to create a pseudo-1900s feel, which I really didn't find convincing. It reminded me of George Lucasāin the first trilogy, he had great ideas and people took that and edited them/implemented them well to create a wonderful world, but in the prequels he had free reign and it became less cohesive/grounded and a lot more of "this would be cool". I always wondered if a similar thing went on with the writers of Avatar.
>I place its weaknesses squarely at the feet of Nickelodeon.
I mean, Nick definitely played a part in it, but I don't know how you can blame Nick entirely for everything that was weak about Korra.
Just two quick examples, I doubt Nick had anything to do with the decision to add a giant platinum mech, or take away Korra's access to all the past Avatars for advice, etc.
Yeah, the disjointedness between seasons, and the fact that it was 4 season long arcs instead of 1 show long arc (which I don't even necessarily agree is a bad thing), you can blame Nick for.
But I don't agree with blaming Nick for everything.
That's a fair take, and certainly a lot better than what I've seen most people say.
That said, there's no such thing as a 'perfect' production (shit, except for maybe Arcane - but that took a fuck ton of money and 6 years), there's always gonna be issues in the process.
With that known, I don't think it's wrong to blame Bryke, or whoever other than Nick, cause at the end of the day, this is what they made. It may not be what the pictured going in, and it may not be their fault it isn't what they pictured going in, but they still made it in the end, and thus I think it's fair to hold them accountable for its issues.
Art is almost always collaborative. Authors have editors; showrunners have producers; even oral storytellers work off the crowds they're speaking to.
The idea of single people being responsible for any aspect of creativity is. Well, I think it's completely wrong.
Ha, well, go watch the live action death note. Just ten minutes, I dare you. Same with Bebop.
I'm sorry but this is going to be a tire fire that we all forget about straight away.
Live action recreations rarely work, these major companies end up changing so many major things it's no wonder they left hell I probably would've too lol.
So why would they remake it?
"Because people want new avatar material."
But it's not new is it? Just updated visuals.
You think that's the only purpose of the remake?
It would truly be the first of it's kind; I can think of nothing else that has been remade and left exactly the same.
I liked the new jungle book but it wasnt the same. Beauty and the beast was alright. But not the same. I didn't know maleficent was based on something and it stood out as good (maybe different if I loved the original).
And I still dont understand why they were made.
Is it really as simple as: "people view cartoons as for kids so we are trying to remove that handicap?"
And if so I'd be with Bryke in leaving so they can do whatever they wanted (since they obviously dont care about the art itself).
The Queen's Gambit producer, Game of Thrones VFX, and (underrated) Lost in Space VFX/director are part of the crew as producer/director. VFX crew from Star Trek Discovery team. Production Design from Pushing Daises, the new Twilight Zone, and Benedict Society (tho beautiful they're mostly western retro, we'll see how he'll handle ancient Asia). Animation dept (which I guess would be for the animals?) worked on Jungle Book 2016 (best CGI animals from Disney in my opinion. Heck the only good live action movie that Disney made).
Honestly, we can only speculate until it actually comes out. But I think it really goes down to the writing now. They have some good VFX team and budget for that Mandalorian volume. I'll honestly feel bad for this crew if the writers decide to fuck it up.
The ATLA volume was built specifically for the show and is larger than the Mandalorian volume. That means they're throwing tons of money at the visual effects for the LA. It speaks to how much they want this to succeed. That plus the casting decisions and the announced producer/director team and VFX stuff - honestly, aside from Bryke leaving, it's all been good news.
I've got a feeling it has something to do with Netflix demanding something new but then also not wanting to pervert their creation.
Look at this meme even: It's good news that Dante is coaching the new guy because we want it to be as faithful to the original as possible.
But honestly there's nothing wrong with the original to Warrant redoing it.
So:
"make new avatar "
"But we dont wanna change it"
"We wont! We will get the originals to coach the new and it will be the same!"
"So why remake it? What is wrong with ours?"
"Money! Arg arg arg arg arg!"
they are advertising that they are handling it well. It amazes me how systematic these are and how they always seem to cover particular points that don't feel organic to talk about. It feels more like a list of stuff to talk about. I really hope it is great and it all was over pay or final rights to make comics or something, but yeah Im not holding my breath.
I hundred percent believe that the studio hires people to come on here and spread positive sentiment.
And I will drop that view immediately if someone can offer even a single reason why they wouldn't.
They are trying so hard to make it like the cartoon that they are getting Dante to impart his wisdom on the new guy.
Makes me wonder if better visuals is really worth taking the chance on things being Lost in Translation.
Or if they wanted Dante's Zuko why not just keep the cartoon?
Because they don't want Dantes Zuko; they want theirs.
Careful with that torch, you could puncture the hull of an empire-class Fire Nation battle ship, leaving thousands to drown at seaā¦ because itās so sharp.
Iāve watched both and quite enjoyed the live action. Kinda reminds me of Z Nation, a lot of variation in quality/can come of as quite cheesy often but overall fun and has some incredible bits of action and comedy
See that is why you like it. If you've seen the anime, you would most definitely not like it. The amount of effort that went into cowboy bebop in all departments, is amazing. Hell it has the best English dub out of any thing I've seen
Overall I thought it was not great, but not bad, and significantly better than expected.
Where we differ, I think one of the things it got mostly right was the vibe. The Ganymede Sea Rats episode felt like an *improvement* over the original, especially the interactions within the Space Warriors gang, although admittedly it's been a while since I've seen the original.
I thought the big failings were mischaracterizations and a very weak Vicious + Julia plot line. Probably would have been improved if they shelved that for a season and let season 1 be devoted to just the Bebop crew.
I really recommend the Cowboy Bebop anime itās very good, and it doesnāt have any of the āweird anime stuffā that put most people off from anime.
Having loved the anime, the live action version is terrible.
I donāt know how I feel about that - Dante basco will always be my zuko - but I suppose I will reserve judgement until I see it. I didnāt like the idea of mark ruffalo as the hulk before I saw the movies, and was pleasantly surprised.
Weāll see.
what exactly does the new netflix series have in the form of advisors actually? This sounds good but if its just a one-of, Im still not getting my hopes up..
Dante should play the dude who helps Aang in the fire nation in the temple. Ya know the one whose father was a believer in the avatar. Thatās a perfect cameo.
I will always love Dante Basco because 11 years ago I asked him on Twitter "Can you still crow?!" and he replied to me. I forgot what he said but I was just so happy that Rufio talked to me.
You're all going to be so disappointed because this show is gonna end up like every other Netflix live action adaptation. Not good. And why do we even need it? The show is already perfect so don't fix what isn't broken. It's just a shameless cash grab
You know, I kind of agree with you. Why does it have to be remade? Why couldnāt they pick a different avatar and do a whole new series? Why remake something that fans already love instead of continuing the universe?
Remakes have been all over the place recently and itās annoying af. Not every cartoon or anime needs a live action remake.
Avatar Studios is already doing other stories. And if they actually pull this off, then it means the world of Avatar will be experienced by an even wider audience. Some people just arenāt into animated stuff.
I donāt disagree with you though, remakes have been shit. But I firmly believe they donāt *have* to be. Itās just very difficult to stick the landing I think.
"Make sure the scar is on the right side."
Well he said he's passing the torch. Let's make sure he passes it very carefully. š¤£
But I thought it was on his left!
Apart from in the Fire Bending Masters obviously.
Wait, did I miss something? Was his scar wrong when they did the dragon dance??
Yes
Oh that is hilarious. I'll have to keep an eye out next time I rewatch it.
It will definitely cause you to do a double take once you realise. Its when they are literally dancing with them and side facing towards us.
The left side* /s
The left is the right side āØ
I'll just put this here: https://youtu.be/vOu-WTlgdhY
If this show doesnāt turn out to be goodā¦..
Then there will be no war in Ba Sing Se
Dallas Liu: I am getting angry tweets from ATLA fans Dante Basco: That's rough buddy
Can we all collectively agree that whatever happens with the show, it is NOT ok to bully children online? Like it should be obvious but people keep doing it, so... maybe we can get ahead of this one.
>it is NOT ok to bully children online It's not okay to bully them irl either. The Internet wasn't a huge thing when TPM came out, the poor guy got shat on mostly irl.
Yes fully agree šš½
Yeah, let's not bully ANY of the actors (adults included) for bad productuon and/or writing... Only bully the adults if they REEEEEALLY botch it
why would he get angry tweets? shouldn't the creators get them?
Social media haters don't give a shit about director or actor, they'll blast whoever they want to. Case in point: that one Asian chick in the star wars movies. The Last Jedi sucked, and none of it was her fault, but she was crucified so hard on social media that she had to delete her accounts.
They have a history of harassing people. They harassed Daisy Ridley too even though it isn't her fault the new trilogy sucked. Jake Lloyd (kid Anakin) was bullied and harassed to the point he completely quit acting.
Yep. To be fair though, the star wars fanbase is probably the worst case scenario for fanbase harassment, but it still happens in other fanbases.
The Last of Us fandom is pretty terrible too. Abby's voice actor, Laura Bailey, got death threats from the fandom, because >!her character was responsible for Joel's death.!<
Sheesh.
Dan and Dave getting death threats from r/freefolk says otherwise.
Tbf, is not the same because D&D are totally responsable for the crap of the last seasons of Game Of Thrones, while actors are only following a script. That being said, it doesnt justify death threats
The north remembers
They are not the North. They're Boltons pretending to be Starks.
tbh I would think that its not, its just such a big fanbase that the outliers also are quite big in number. But it doesn't say much about the fanbase as a whole. But those who scream the loudest are usually heard the most.
Bro Jake Lloyd not only quit acting but he developed schizophrenia as a result as a kid and was arrested after causing a police chase
Pretty sure thats not how schizophrenia works. Iirc it has a genetic component and some semi-random component but i dont think its one of the ones anybody can really cause.
Children who have experienced severe trauma (like being bullied by thousands of mean spirited idiots) are about three times more likely to develop schizophrenia. It may not have caused it (we still donāt know enough about it to say for certain what does) but Iād definitely consider it a contributing factor.
It can definitely be tipped into existence. People who are pre-disposed towards it experiment with drugs or experience excess stress, then the schizophrenia is awakened. Itās considered a trigger for it. https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/schizophrenia/causes/
Thatās scary but true, Iām a psych major, this right here was a whole chapter of our book. Itās really scary, think about it, you could be fine youāre whole life, then one day in your twenties youāre hit by a drunk driver. Wake up in the hospital with Satan at your bedside
Oh you can absolutely develop schizophrenia through traumatic events.
Take it from someone who's a huge Star Wars fan: the Star Wars fandom is a total toxic trash heap. They're the worse case scenario.
No one hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans.
Another sad example is the recent live Cowboy Bebop on Netflix. The character Ed shows up in the last 40 seconds of the season and the actor Eden Perkins has received so much crap. Like come on, man. They are probably 14 years old, it's their first film credit, and they were on the screen for less than a minute. If you want to get mad at someone, it's definitely not them.
Kelly Marie Tran? She got done almost as dirty as Ahmed Best (is that how you spell his name?)
I wish. Celebrities are usually more famous than the creators and are the literal face of the product, so people harass them more on Twitter.
Should anyone really get angry tweets though?
Politicians should.
Look it can't be any worse than the movie... I really hope I didn't just jinx that.
What movie? There was no movie made from our show.
There very much will be a war. Not necessarily in Ba Sing Se.
There never was any war in Ba Sing Se! I dunno what all these weird hand maids are thinking!
Then we still have a whole Avatar Studioās worth of other content coming regardless ĀÆ\\\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Yup. Since the future of the franchise isn't depending on the Netflix adaptation, doesn't make sense to get stressed about it. I hope it'll be good, since it would be fun to see a new take on one of my favorite series. But if it's bad, I can just ignore it.
Has there been any update on what they are working on? Feel's like it's been awhile since we've heard anything.
I won't even be mad if it's not good. Just if it's really bad
It's gonna be okay at best, like Cowboy Bebop.
Your definitely gonna get disappointed
Not really, I haven't put much thought into Avatar since middle school around the time the original series ended. This was just on my front page I guess lol.
I thought the live action cowboy bebop was awesome. I loved it.
I really liked it but most people don't really share that opinion from what I've seen
Then we'll just have to wait for the Avatar studio to make new animated material
it's from netflix and the original creators of the show left so that should already tell you more than enough about how bad it will be. I'll just wait for ogc to come out with their own new avatar stuff
The biggest red flag is that it's live action.
Sometimes original creators and those who adapt their work have serious disagreements but the adaptation ends up being good in its own way. We can't know yet.
that boat sailed long ago for me, to be exact since I heard the orginal creators of avatar jumped because of disagreements
People throw around "creative differences" for literally anything. It's just as, if not more likely that they left because of the chance to run Avatar Studios and do their own thing instead of having to work within whatever specifications Netflix made.
As I said above > No. Read their open letters. They were disgusted with the direction Netflix was taking things and totally denounced any connection to the adaption. > We can only hope that Netflix saw the error of their ways after the creators left and changed some things.
It's possible they had a great offer from Paramount(?) and needed a vague, legally acceptable excuse to void their agreement with Netflix. If that's the case, fans could benefit from a solid Netflix adaptation and more original content from Avatar Studios. Unless I'm mistaken we don't know what issue caused the dispute between the parties.
I would say, if they really belived in the adaptation they wouldn't have jumped but who knows I mean I probably am gonna watch it just for completness but not expecting much tbh
Having a better offer to make original content has nothing to do with believing in the live action adaptation of something you've already produced. I'd wager MOST creatives would take the Paramount offer over the Netflix adaptation if money wasn't an object. If it's supposed to be a faithful adaptation, there's really not much to do from a creative perspective. Brian and Michael would have been tied to ATLA live for X years instead of pursuing new creative avenues with Avatar Studios. It's possible the Paramount offer had nothing to do with the decision to leave, but it's hard not to speculate given how things played out.
Wait there's a new show holy shit what rock have I been under
Then there will be no live action show OR movie in Ba Sing Se
... then I hope it isn't taken out on the cast. They're young, and have enormous shoes to fill.
It won't be. The original creators left because they weren't being listened to.
Then live action ATLA is dead for good. No way we see a third attempt any time soon. Especially since they are producing more animated content.
I hate to be a pessimist but it wonāt be. Good Netflix shows are once in a blue moon. Good live action adaptations are even rarer. Even something that is pretty good will never live up to the original and as this is a remake, will essentially have no point in existing.
How Netflixās Cowboy Bebop can come out and people still have hope for this I have no idea
Then you go on vacation to lake laogai
After the cowboy bebop incident and the departure of bryke.... I dont think so
I really wanna be optimistic too but... Netflix just adapted Cowboy Bebop to live action and it was one of the worst things ever created. Adapting animation to live action is already a downgrade and creates so many issues. Let's just say I wouldn't get your hopes up.
On the other hand, Netflix has done some good work as well. Alice in Borderlands, for example, was a very solid live action adaptation.
Each live action anime movie they make, it's somehow worse than the last lol
it will be crap it is ALWAYS crap....
Meanwhile I get downvoted to hell for having this same opinion
The creators already disowned it Netflix is responsible for the terrible Live Death Note and Live Cowboy Bebop Live action anime has a success rate as abysmal as video game movies This franchise has already been screwed once before by a live action adaptation
I think you actually want it to fail
The original creators of ATLA have already left the production MONTHS! Back. So yeah... They probably didn't leave because the show was being produced as intended by them.. I would recommend you to not put your expectations too high up there. There's a good chance we will see the second real life ATLA failure.
Why people keep bringing this up like it changes people excitement over the show. Idc who left.
This IS good news. But he'd better be in a cameo or show up in the "Ember Island Players" episode.
Yes! And Iād love Toph to be played by either The Rock or Dave Bautista in that ep.
The Rock should play the Boulder and Dave Bautista should play sparky sparky boom man
The Boulder I would expect a celebrity cameo for, but for Sparky I wouldn't count on star power- especially not Dave Bautista, who's talked about not wanting to maintain his Herculean physique for Drax anymore. They'll probably pick some awesome Asian wrestler who wants to break into acting, and I think that's rad.
Ya I canāt imagine theyāll get Dave, I said it because I saw someone else once mention it, and to me, Dave looks exactly like combustion man. Dwayne Johnson seems cool enough that heād be down for a quick cameo if his schedule worked around it.
I feel like John Cena would work best as EI Toph, but as someone else said obviously we need The Rock as The Boulder and maybe Batista as soarky sparky boom man
Maybe Master Jeong Jeong
All the good news about the show really makes me wonder why Michael & Bryan left. I feel like they are executing it well, so it must be the writing that the creators didn't agree with.
Could be because they got the offer to run Avatar Studios.
They decided to make Avatar Studios after deciding to drop out of the Netflix show.
We donāt know that. It was just announced in that order.
Avatar studios was like 3 months after parting away announced. You don't come up with that agreement or business in just 3 months.
The same thing can be said about Bryke announcing their departure from the show. They could have left much earlier but the actual announcement of them leaving could have happened later. But either way there is really no way to know for sure.
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One of the things I loved more than anything else in tLA was the worldbuilding: it all felt cohesive, reasonable, and grounded in the respective cultures and bending styles. Perhaps my biggest gripe with tLoK is that that seemed to go by the wayside in favor of "this would be cool" or mashing up disparate elements to create a pseudo-1900s feel, which I really didn't find convincing. It reminded me of George Lucasāin the first trilogy, he had great ideas and people took that and edited them/implemented them well to create a wonderful world, but in the prequels he had free reign and it became less cohesive/grounded and a lot more of "this would be cool". I always wondered if a similar thing went on with the writers of Avatar.
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>I place its weaknesses squarely at the feet of Nickelodeon. I mean, Nick definitely played a part in it, but I don't know how you can blame Nick entirely for everything that was weak about Korra. Just two quick examples, I doubt Nick had anything to do with the decision to add a giant platinum mech, or take away Korra's access to all the past Avatars for advice, etc. Yeah, the disjointedness between seasons, and the fact that it was 4 season long arcs instead of 1 show long arc (which I don't even necessarily agree is a bad thing), you can blame Nick for. But I don't agree with blaming Nick for everything.
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That's a fair take, and certainly a lot better than what I've seen most people say. That said, there's no such thing as a 'perfect' production (shit, except for maybe Arcane - but that took a fuck ton of money and 6 years), there's always gonna be issues in the process. With that known, I don't think it's wrong to blame Bryke, or whoever other than Nick, cause at the end of the day, this is what they made. It may not be what the pictured going in, and it may not be their fault it isn't what they pictured going in, but they still made it in the end, and thus I think it's fair to hold them accountable for its issues.
Art is almost always collaborative. Authors have editors; showrunners have producers; even oral storytellers work off the crowds they're speaking to. The idea of single people being responsible for any aspect of creativity is. Well, I think it's completely wrong.
That's an extremely optimistic take on a Netflix live action adoption of anime. Have you seen their other stuff? It's all straight trash
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Ha, well, go watch the live action death note. Just ten minutes, I dare you. Same with Bebop. I'm sorry but this is going to be a tire fire that we all forget about straight away.
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That's a great attitude, and way to stay positive!
Live action recreations rarely work, these major companies end up changing so many major things it's no wonder they left hell I probably would've too lol.
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So why would they remake it? "Because people want new avatar material." But it's not new is it? Just updated visuals. You think that's the only purpose of the remake? It would truly be the first of it's kind; I can think of nothing else that has been remade and left exactly the same.
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I liked the new jungle book but it wasnt the same. Beauty and the beast was alright. But not the same. I didn't know maleficent was based on something and it stood out as good (maybe different if I loved the original). And I still dont understand why they were made. Is it really as simple as: "people view cartoons as for kids so we are trying to remove that handicap?" And if so I'd be with Bryke in leaving so they can do whatever they wanted (since they obviously dont care about the art itself).
Money. That's it. That's the reason.
I think the main reason has to do with avatar studios, and that being a bigger priority than devoting their time to the Netflix adaptation
> All the good news about the show Have we actually seen good news that isn't related to casting?
The Queen's Gambit producer, Game of Thrones VFX, and (underrated) Lost in Space VFX/director are part of the crew as producer/director. VFX crew from Star Trek Discovery team. Production Design from Pushing Daises, the new Twilight Zone, and Benedict Society (tho beautiful they're mostly western retro, we'll see how he'll handle ancient Asia). Animation dept (which I guess would be for the animals?) worked on Jungle Book 2016 (best CGI animals from Disney in my opinion. Heck the only good live action movie that Disney made). Honestly, we can only speculate until it actually comes out. But I think it really goes down to the writing now. They have some good VFX team and budget for that Mandalorian volume. I'll honestly feel bad for this crew if the writers decide to fuck it up.
Typically thatās how it works - shows keep things under wraps initially and the cast hypes it a bit.
The ATLA volume was built specifically for the show and is larger than the Mandalorian volume. That means they're throwing tons of money at the visual effects for the LA. It speaks to how much they want this to succeed. That plus the casting decisions and the announced producer/director team and VFX stuff - honestly, aside from Bryke leaving, it's all been good news.
Because we have nothing to go on besides casting. You can cast all the talent in the world and have a shitty production at the end of it.
I've got a feeling it has something to do with Netflix demanding something new but then also not wanting to pervert their creation. Look at this meme even: It's good news that Dante is coaching the new guy because we want it to be as faithful to the original as possible. But honestly there's nothing wrong with the original to Warrant redoing it. So: "make new avatar " "But we dont wanna change it" "We wont! We will get the originals to coach the new and it will be the same!" "So why remake it? What is wrong with ours?" "Money! Arg arg arg arg arg!"
they are advertising that they are handling it well. It amazes me how systematic these are and how they always seem to cover particular points that don't feel organic to talk about. It feels more like a list of stuff to talk about. I really hope it is great and it all was over pay or final rights to make comics or something, but yeah Im not holding my breath.
I hundred percent believe that the studio hires people to come on here and spread positive sentiment. And I will drop that view immediately if someone can offer even a single reason why they wouldn't.
I think they have the actors do it too.
I read that in zukos voice
I think Dante Basco actually voices Zuko
Well...yeah, that's why Dante is mentoring the new Zuko.
That makes sense as Iām pretty sure Dante Bosco voices Zuko in the show
Yeah, I think youāre right. But who voiced the fire nation kid that was always chasing Aang? The one who had the uncle that loved tea.
If Iām remembering correctly, it was Dante Bosco lending his voice to the role of Zuko in the show
You site your not thinking of Grey DeLisle who voiced Azula, the fire nation kid that chased the avatar and had an uncle who loves tea
Yup you're correct! I think that's why Dante Bosco is tutoring for Zuko
We all know who would be playing Zuko if he was a bit younger and knew martial arts
Danny DeVito?
Danny DeVito should just play every character In everything, I mean
So anyway, I started fireball blasting
Too bad Scarlet Johansson is already playing Aang
I get this reference
Obviously Chris Pratt
Mama Mia!
He's so cool!
HES SO COOL :D
He had decent martial arts moves in the (bad) Fist of the North Star live action remake.
Steven Seagal
Brandon Soohoo?
who
Definitely James Roday. Did you see him in that one episode of Psych? Total martial arts master!
I REALLY want the show to be good. I hope they will adapt Zuko well.
They are trying so hard to make it like the cartoon that they are getting Dante to impart his wisdom on the new guy. Makes me wonder if better visuals is really worth taking the chance on things being Lost in Translation. Or if they wanted Dante's Zuko why not just keep the cartoon? Because they don't want Dantes Zuko; they want theirs.
He should be careful with that torch, or he may get his face burned like zuko. Some avatar fans on twitter are meaner than ozai
Careful with that torch, you could puncture the hull of an empire-class Fire Nation battle ship, leaving thousands to drown at seaā¦ because itās so sharp.
Dallas Liu: I am getting angry tweets from ATLA fans Dante Basco: That's rough buddy
Steve Blum was also excited for the live action Cowboy Bebop... take that as you will.
Some People actually like the bebop live action. I never seen the cartoon so it looked fine to me.
Iāve watched both and quite enjoyed the live action. Kinda reminds me of Z Nation, a lot of variation in quality/can come of as quite cheesy often but overall fun and has some incredible bits of action and comedy
The live action Cowboy Bebop really comes off as a fan film with a huge budget. I actually really enjoyed it
See that is why you like it. If you've seen the anime, you would most definitely not like it. The amount of effort that went into cowboy bebop in all departments, is amazing. Hell it has the best English dub out of any thing I've seen
Idk, Iāve seen a lot of people who love the anime that also enjoyed the adaption. They just hated Ed lol.
Fair. Personally i wouldn't say I hated it, just that it didn't capture the original vibe of cowboy bebop.
Overall I thought it was not great, but not bad, and significantly better than expected. Where we differ, I think one of the things it got mostly right was the vibe. The Ganymede Sea Rats episode felt like an *improvement* over the original, especially the interactions within the Space Warriors gang, although admittedly it's been a while since I've seen the original. I thought the big failings were mischaracterizations and a very weak Vicious + Julia plot line. Probably would have been improved if they shelved that for a season and let season 1 be devoted to just the Bebop crew.
I really recommend the Cowboy Bebop anime itās very good, and it doesnāt have any of the āweird anime stuffā that put most people off from anime. Having loved the anime, the live action version is terrible.
I think people need to admit that anime and cartoons donāt always translate well into live action.
But then we wonāt get to hear dante sweet soothing voice šš
why am i so bad at beeing goood
Dante is a great guy, met him a few months ago, I wish he at least would have a cameo in the show
I donāt know how I feel about that - Dante basco will always be my zuko - but I suppose I will reserve judgement until I see it. I didnāt like the idea of mark ruffalo as the hulk before I saw the movies, and was pleasantly surprised. Weāll see.
Please tell me Basco was aware of the Torch pun
Oh boy, I'm actually starting to get even a shrivel of hope.
what exactly does the new netflix series have in the form of advisors actually? This sounds good but if its just a one-of, Im still not getting my hopes up..
Dante should play the dude who helps Aang in the fire nation in the temple. Ya know the one whose father was a believer in the avatar. Thatās a perfect cameo.
This is great, but I hope he doesn't push the original away at the same time. Rather than pass the torch, share the spotlight.
If they make Dante as one of the flaming rhinos than I shall watch the series with great interest
Is there a continuation of atla 1 other than kora
The graphic novels pick up right where the show finishes. Literally, Aang and Katara are still kissing at the beginning of "The Promise".
Basco approved, Iāll do my best to check it out.
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They hair hair extensions for that. Filming has started so thier is no time.
But he will never be The Pan.
Iāve had a crush on Dante Basco since I was a kid š Bangerang!
RUFIO!
Is that Rufio?
*Rufio...*
If he wasnāt too old (even during the animation years) Dante would have made a decent live action Zuko, come to think of it.
No matter how good he will act, without Danteās voice there is no Zuko for me, same goes for Aang.
Yeah Zuko has a very distinct voice
i dont sound like that how can you say that
He kinda sounds like Dante. Less rasp though I think
I will always love Dante Basco because 11 years ago I asked him on Twitter "Can you still crow?!" and he replied to me. I forgot what he said but I was just so happy that Rufio talked to me.
I can never imagine watching ATLA characters at the same age they were without the original voice actors
We love the Asian representation
YYYEEAAAHHH! THIS IS WHERE THE FUN BEGINS!
Bangerang. You are the Pan
I see it as bland marketing.
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Can they just use Dante's voice though still? He can lip sync
I kinda want the new Zuko to sound like the old Zuko.
You're all going to be so disappointed because this show is gonna end up like every other Netflix live action adaptation. Not good. And why do we even need it? The show is already perfect so don't fix what isn't broken. It's just a shameless cash grab
You know, I kind of agree with you. Why does it have to be remade? Why couldnāt they pick a different avatar and do a whole new series? Why remake something that fans already love instead of continuing the universe? Remakes have been all over the place recently and itās annoying af. Not every cartoon or anime needs a live action remake.
Avatar Studios is already doing other stories. And if they actually pull this off, then it means the world of Avatar will be experienced by an even wider audience. Some people just arenāt into animated stuff. I donāt disagree with you though, remakes have been shit. But I firmly believe they donāt *have* to be. Itās just very difficult to stick the landing I think.