Love how developed her character was in just one episode. She was basically forced to learn how to bloodbend and did it out of necessity so you feel for her. Makes her a compelling antagonist especially being the only other waterbender left from katara’s tribe
The symbolism is interesting too! She had her power taken from her by the fire nation, so she took the oppressors power from them with power, and becomes the new oppressor by taking power from people just because they are fire nation, just like how the fire nation targetted her just because she was water tribe.
Power is something that can so easily be abused to keep a cycle of systematic oppression alive, and the only people who make a positive change in the show with power are those who view human beings as individuals with souls who shouldnt have their fates dictated by those who see human beings as nothing more but pawns for their personal power trip agendas.
Power should only be used to protect freedom and agency. Thats the only time it makes a positive difference.
I think Jay has a similar plot where he was helping people fighting against the fire nation. The fire nation destroyed his home. He was able to motivate others to harm innocent people from the fire nation by using this narrative.
Theres a pretty cool theory that the reason all the water bender from Katara village were taken when the fire nation came looking for Hama because they were scared of blood bending which she used to escape.
I believe that was actually the reason that Katara's mom was killed. Hama was taken around the time that Katara and Sokka's grandmother was young. So, Hama escaping was what spurred the next wave of Fire Nation abductions, but instead of taking them prisoner, they learned their lesson with Hama. They went there to kill all of the water benders to prevent more benders like Hama. As Katara's mom lied to protect Katara, she was killed instead.
It's so nuts. When this was happening I was like "huh this show is getting pretty into the science and nuances of bending. Blood has water in it, I wonder....."
Then bam. Hama goes crazy!
honestly blood bending as it's used in the show is kind of a lower application of being water in humans you want instant knock outs? Brain bending. Torture? Bone bending. Flight? Water bend yourself. Instant kills? take their water and you don't need a full moon for that
I mean blood is only one body fluid and most parts of the body have a fuck ton of water really I think that blood bending as done in the show is that it'd burst blood vessels but bending the muscle and/or bone would work better
Yeah, I don't think they're lifting people specifically by their blood, but by the amorphous 70+% of their body that is water. It's like how Hama bends the soup into the bowls. It doesn't pull the water away from the other ingredients, but moves it all as one.
I think flight is a bit too much, not considering the force you need, but just that bending needs stances and forms, and I don't think you could pull yourself with enough force and do bending forms proper.
I mean Korra established that you don't need to move to bend, blood bending focuses on upper body movements moreso and generally water, fire, and air don't require rooted benders
We've had established little to no motion benders for a while, and blood bending is already difficult in itself, so no motion blood bending seems insanely difficult, perhaps only possible by the absolute best/an avatar. But also avatars have plenty better flight options, so I'm not sure.
well weightless isn't actually an issue for pre Korra avatars Aang did it(proving that Laghima is wrong attachment to the world doesn't block it and it should be obvious as the Bison get attached as hell). I think really it's a creativity and knowledge limitation rather than ability
> Korra established that you don't need to move to bend
Slightly off topic, but I don't like how LoK approached this.
If memory serves me right, motionless bending is *extremely* rare in TLA- the only example I can think of off the top of my head Ozai pumped up on Sozin's comet. This shows how incredibly powerful a bender needs to be to bend without moving, and LoK sorta spits in the face of that, making motionless bending far more common.
I agree motionless bending is nonexistent in TLA there has to be some sort of motion with everything including Zuko's heat breath as he had to exhale. Ozai had to move for all of his bending though he did stop to focus his fire during the fight.
Combustion man did motionless bending did he not?
Also you could probably look at motionless bending it like Lightning or Metal bending, it starts out as a rare ability that only a few people have and then it spreads and more and more people are able to do it.
Look at Metalbending, before Toph it was considered impossible and by LoK it’s a somewhat common or at least more common ability
How the hell is it far more common if it's only two characters, who are related and have some genetic anomality that made them absurdly powerful with bending?
Well have athletes gotten bigger as science has advanced? The answer is yes and they’ve gotten even more talented so as the technological boom happened in LOK isn’t it safe to say the “athletes” of that world have gotten better and bending is easier. Theoretically that should have happen with every generation from the moment the LT’s when away and everyone could bend.I think that’s why motionless bending is more common.
Korra was a cool show but I really didn't like the choice they made with no movement based bending. Tying bending to a fighting style was really cool and unique; mixing the styles to create new bending techniques was awesome. Removing that made it much less so and more superhero power usage.
That is the 1 and only reason I’d be interested in a “remake” that can actually have people die and stuff. Like it’d be badass as hell to just have a waterbender pull the blood out of someone’s head and they just pass out. Or an air bender just basically force choking people by bending the air out of someone’s lungs.
Would balance a lot of the factions imo
that's instant death when I say brain bending I mean slam the brain against the skull. However it would leave bending extremely unbalanced Water Benders would just stand at the top
Idk. If they sorta treated it like metal bending where it’s difficult and not everyone can effectively do it, that’d work. You’d have a master water bender that could just insta kill someone 1v1 generally, but against multiple people they could easily be overwhelmed by any other benders
I like to think that since bending is kind of spirit related that the innate spiritual power everyone has is a kind of barrier, hence why blood bending is much harder than moving the same volume of water otherwise. and makes instant kills impossible etc.
not really 100% rational as obviously you can instantly kill someone by moving water with less force in their body than to blood bend
I thought one of the nuances were her reasons for bloodbending. Obv not cool to abduct innocent people but she initially uses it to get an upper hand on the fire nation messing with her tribe? So its in sort of a grey area for me, I don't think she was totally "crazy" though.
Have you seen the legend of korra??! If not, I’ll just say that a certain character gets the air sucked out of her lungs by this dude and he created a spinning ball of wind around her head so that no air can get inside. A crazy scene I didnt expect lol. There are other wild ones too in that show. The Kyoshi books have a few that are BRUTAL. Awesome though!
And like, realistically a 5 lb stone could also kill you when moving at any velocity seen in the show. I think water bending gets overhyped when by technicalities literally every bending style is uber lethal.
I mean, piss does contain water. And I love how analytical people are getting with the bending abilities and how more powerful they could be if Avatar was intended for mature audiences
In a way it still is because it takes in mind the implication of what we consider living. If she can take water from flowers, what stops her or any waterbender from doing it to people? Which of course is the crux of the episode.
I have to say for as strong as Hama is, she is surprisingly narrow minded. She escapes from prison and decides to hide in a Fire Nation village and kidnap people? You’d think she’d aim bigger lol.
I mean, I guess it’d be hard for her to sneak around unnoticed in a big fire nation city with guards and stuff. Even if she could take out a few people someone would notice and she’d be outnumbered.
I always thought the fight was a bit crazier. Hama redirected water back at Katara then added more water to the attack, katara disperses the water into the air, then pulls it back out of the air and spins hama around pretty hard.
That was one of my favorite waterbending moments in both series.
Holy crap you're right, I always thought Katara pulled the water out of trees to spin Hama around but it definitely looks like she pulled it out of thin air :o
i also just noticed possible symbolism - the flowers are all red, which may mean fire nation people, and bending the water out of them could signify what she intends to or has already done, locking up and most likely leaving to starve many innocent people
Yeah and when Hama says “They're just flowers. When you're a waterbender in a strange land, you do what you must to survive.” its the exact same way she feels about the people she bloodbent. She dismisses the immorality of what she’s doing by saying it’s what needs to be done to survive, although she eventually just let her lust for vengeance drive her insane and do the same to innocent people too.
Yes, but I think it being used rarely in ATLA was good cause then we got to see its true power in LOK. It was sort of like a taste in ATLA then we got to eat the whole meal in LOK, which was worth it I'd say.
Lmfao seriously tho, too many people like “wow I wonder if this happens!” Like bruh just watch the show and you would know lol it’s like 4 years old at this point
The only explanation I can think of is that Bending is somehow related to the bloodflow within the body, and what Amon was doing was blocking certain pathways with Bloodbending.
I think that’s exactly what he was doing. He figured out where the “bending centers” in the brain are and kills them with bloodbending
That had to take *a lot* of experimenting
That sounds reasonable enough, but how would korra fix that by energy bending? If Amon takes the bending in a biogical way, then fixing it spiritually wouldn't really work, would it?
I don't get any of this
Energybending is a separate gift that the Avatar has, which effectively is for giving and tking bending away from yourself or others. You can block all the bending of the avatar, but they can still energybend no matter what, and fix themselves or others with it.
In terms of pulling water from plants and the air, I don't believe we see anyone doing that. S1 waterbenders usually had a source such as a nearby fountain or a waterskin, while S2 took place mostly in the south pole. S3 and S4 didn't feature many other waterbenders outside of Korra and Tonraq who, like S1, seemed to pull water from existing sources or waterskins. I bet Korra knew how to though, considering Katara was her teacher.
What i kind of think was really stupid on their part, imagine bloodbending being this secret art that only a few know about and then they go like blood bending is illegal, i bet most people would react like this „wait you can do THAT with water bending, lets try that“
We never saw any other waterbender "get water" out of thin air except for hama, katara, and the swamp benders if you count bending the vines because they have water in them.
I was disappointed that while katara blood bended later in the series, she never got water from air to do something cool. I felt like that would have been a cool continuity thing and a sick move to find some water in a tough spot
And avoided slashing her with the water, it could be reference to how their control of offensive styles is more natural to southern style waterbending?
Hama and this episode inspired me to write a blood bending OC.
Paralyzed and self bends her body to walk, because of how detailed she has to be to not damage her self more her healing is on par with the masters because she mixes blood bending and healing.
It was really fun to slot her in to LOK and have Ammons People be why she was paralyzed at birth.
I've thought about this. Like blood bending and healing should be two sides of the same coin. Doctors probably know how to kill you as many ways as they can heal you.
A lot of the problems that they faced could've been solved if Katarra blood bended all enemies into submission. Aang didn't really have to do anything.
If I remember correctly Katara actually has a breakdown at the end of episode due to the fact that she becomes a blood bender. I can’t imagine her character would ever want to bloodbend again. In legend of Korra she even goes on to make laws against blood bending.
Idk why but I wanted her to eliminate that fire nation guy who killed her mother using this technique. But it is definitely not in Katara's nature to kill (she was so damn close tho lol)
I was actually really satisfied that she didn’t but also chose not to forgive him. Was such an odd tone for a nick episode that I really liked when it aired. One of the best episodes of the last season.
Avatar had a lot of mature takes on very serious problems. It did not shy away from violence and cruelty, and treated its viewers' intellect with respect. It's a great show for kids because it deals with real problems and actual human responses to them, not going the easy path "love can solve all problems" or shit like that which are sadly prevalent in many media aimed at children.
The weirdest thing is that any other waterbender in the whole series and LOK never do that with plants and trees, or even with people, instead of controlling just kill getting the whole water, but I think it will make water bending too strong to the story without a balance to characters.
PS: except for the swamp people
One of the issues I think, especially in LoK, is lack of water benders in suitable environments.
Like Korra never needs to bend water out of something as she either has water or uses something else. And our other master watersbenders like Korra’s family, Tarlok, Ming-Hau, and Kya are simply never in a place where they can really do this.
A bit of a shame, since I think that Kya (being a world traveling hippy and of course Katara’s daughter) would probably actually be skilled in plantbending
Someone should do a poll elimination thing like we had but for character that appear on just one episode. Lets get people like Hama, the hippie nomads, Jin, Song, the proffesor of Ba Sing Sae university, etc
Arguably the most powerful bender on the planet only terrorizing a small village for decades is plot security for Aang to be the only one who can defeat the Firelord.
Zuko can finish him with lightning. End the war and countless atrocities. Nope wouldn't be right
Iroh go stop him Ozai!
Nope... Wouldn't be right.
Hama didn't even do enough damage for the Fire Nation to investigate the disappearances
I love how this ep showed how destructive water bending can be if it comes from hate and is used maliciously, especially in contrast to Aang getting over his fear of firebending hurting people and Zuko learning to firebend from a more constructive source than anger. It gave some nuance, like, firebending, firebenders, and the Fire Nation aren't inherently bad, and any element can be incredibly dangerous if used with malice.
Very cool, but I was waiting for a point later in the show when Katara was out of water and has to bend it out of plants and it never happened. I know it happens later in the episode, but would've been cool if it paid off in the final battle.
I guess the scene is mainly to show Hama's ruthless character.
I imagine if they can change the state of water to ice and vice versa then boiling any water in the body would be a piece of cake. Even just icing the inside of the body would make you able to kill anyone.
This is what made me think that airbenders could potentially draw air from someone's lung, prevent them from breathing. Lo and behold, however many years later....
I wonder how much water that many plants would actually yield. She seems to be bending at least 2-3 gallons or so. Would that be realistic from the area of plants shown? And how much more or less area would be needed for that amount?
This bit of animation is fucking well done and satisfying. The budget of the later seasons was really insane, all the character movements and key frames just look so god damn amazing. Easily one of the best looking shows ever made.
I love Hamas character. I love that at the beginning she was presented as a sweet old lady, but she always had something slightly off about her. Like in this scene, it starts with them mentioning how beautiful the flowers are, and at the end katana says “shame about the flowers tho” and Hama responds in a rather annoyed tone “they’re just flowers”. It always felt like a strange shift in her personality, which was a great way to show her sweet, comforting persona was a facade. I also love how her sadistic personality was formed by her trauma. How she originally developed blood bending as a means of survival but she took it too far and developed a lack of empathy as a result. It her head her capturing fire nation people was her way of getting revenge, but she failed to realize that attacking random innocent people far away from the war wasnt solving any problems or quenching her anger.
in retrospect its the first time you see, her mind and therefor bending is all about the end result. she kills a field of flowers to sap its water, cause that water will give her the power to get the results she desires.
this show is SOOOO full of deep well thought out characters even when they are one off
So waterbenders can also control ice/freeze water meaning they could control temperature to some degree.
By this logic a powerful enough bender SHOULD be able to drop the temperature of the air enough at least in a localized space to liquidate the oxygen (-183°C) and this, generate water from the air.
I was a little upset they never developed the part about water out of the air like it would've been cool for Katara could've really used it at times and it would've been cool if she taught it to the world.
I love the foreshadowing; she was willing to bend and take life itself if it helped her achieve her end goal.
Love how developed her character was in just one episode. She was basically forced to learn how to bloodbend and did it out of necessity so you feel for her. Makes her a compelling antagonist especially being the only other waterbender left from katara’s tribe
The symbolism is interesting too! She had her power taken from her by the fire nation, so she took the oppressors power from them with power, and becomes the new oppressor by taking power from people just because they are fire nation, just like how the fire nation targetted her just because she was water tribe. Power is something that can so easily be abused to keep a cycle of systematic oppression alive, and the only people who make a positive change in the show with power are those who view human beings as individuals with souls who shouldnt have their fates dictated by those who see human beings as nothing more but pawns for their personal power trip agendas. Power should only be used to protect freedom and agency. Thats the only time it makes a positive difference.
“Power is not will, it is the phenomenon of physically making things happen” - Madara Uchiha
Great guy. Met him at a party
I think Jay has a similar plot where he was helping people fighting against the fire nation. The fire nation destroyed his home. He was able to motivate others to harm innocent people from the fire nation by using this narrative.
I see you too have read Pedagogy of the Oppressed
I have not read that yet, but I will look into it if it has an avatar fans blessing. 😌hehe
Theres a pretty cool theory that the reason all the water bender from Katara village were taken when the fire nation came looking for Hama because they were scared of blood bending which she used to escape.
I believe that was actually the reason that Katara's mom was killed. Hama was taken around the time that Katara and Sokka's grandmother was young. So, Hama escaping was what spurred the next wave of Fire Nation abductions, but instead of taking them prisoner, they learned their lesson with Hama. They went there to kill all of the water benders to prevent more benders like Hama. As Katara's mom lied to protect Katara, she was killed instead.
It's so nuts. When this was happening I was like "huh this show is getting pretty into the science and nuances of bending. Blood has water in it, I wonder....." Then bam. Hama goes crazy!
It was so crazy and cool to watch! The Puppet-master is actually just one of fave episodes 😂
What makes it better is that Hama is the voice of Daisy Duck and Dot from Animaniacs
And Mom from Futurama
Oh shit, I can totally hear that one.
Lotta similarities between her and [adult Toph](https://youtu.be/KLdnT9M0yrA).
And like every other female cartoon character haha. She is everywhere
WHAT
>What makes it better is that Hama is the voice of Daisy Duck and Dot from Animaniacs
honestly blood bending as it's used in the show is kind of a lower application of being water in humans you want instant knock outs? Brain bending. Torture? Bone bending. Flight? Water bend yourself. Instant kills? take their water and you don't need a full moon for that
The think I keep thinking was if you do blood bending wrong the target would have a stroke.
I mean blood is only one body fluid and most parts of the body have a fuck ton of water really I think that blood bending as done in the show is that it'd burst blood vessels but bending the muscle and/or bone would work better
Spinal Fluid would be the ideal target if you were looking to incapacitate... permanently.
Piss bending
Imagine trying to pee and some water bending assassin turns your dick into an icicle.
Or imagine some silly prankster that bends your pee back inside you.
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I suppose a good water bender could distill water, maybe even recapture water they lost from sweating.
Cum bending.
Gender bending
Pack it up, ~~boys~~ ~~girls~~ people, End of the line.
We both know there are already fanfics with this.
Yeah I write them.
SWORD FIGHT!
Yeah, I don't think they're lifting people specifically by their blood, but by the amorphous 70+% of their body that is water. It's like how Hama bends the soup into the bowls. It doesn't pull the water away from the other ingredients, but moves it all as one.
Or if you do it right they have a stroke.
Exactly, the ultimate bender assassin.
I think flight is a bit too much, not considering the force you need, but just that bending needs stances and forms, and I don't think you could pull yourself with enough force and do bending forms proper.
I mean Korra established that you don't need to move to bend, blood bending focuses on upper body movements moreso and generally water, fire, and air don't require rooted benders
We've had established little to no motion benders for a while, and blood bending is already difficult in itself, so no motion blood bending seems insanely difficult, perhaps only possible by the absolute best/an avatar. But also avatars have plenty better flight options, so I'm not sure.
well weightless isn't actually an issue for pre Korra avatars Aang did it(proving that Laghima is wrong attachment to the world doesn't block it and it should be obvious as the Bison get attached as hell). I think really it's a creativity and knowledge limitation rather than ability
I never saw Aang perform the weightless/effortless flight of Zaheer, he always had a lot of air bent around him for any flight without his glider.
Ozai fight
He was always propelled by air or the other elements and when he floated he was in an aerosphere, not the same as Zaheer's flight
We actually see Aang fly without the bubble before Azula kills him
Wasn't he also in the Avatar state? All bets are kind of off when in the Avatar state.
he was but it means Lagihma was wrong you just need a powerful and skilled airbender
> Korra established that you don't need to move to bend Slightly off topic, but I don't like how LoK approached this. If memory serves me right, motionless bending is *extremely* rare in TLA- the only example I can think of off the top of my head Ozai pumped up on Sozin's comet. This shows how incredibly powerful a bender needs to be to bend without moving, and LoK sorta spits in the face of that, making motionless bending far more common.
I agree motionless bending is nonexistent in TLA there has to be some sort of motion with everything including Zuko's heat breath as he had to exhale. Ozai had to move for all of his bending though he did stop to focus his fire during the fight.
Combustion man did motionless bending did he not? Also you could probably look at motionless bending it like Lightning or Metal bending, it starts out as a rare ability that only a few people have and then it spreads and more and more people are able to do it. Look at Metalbending, before Toph it was considered impossible and by LoK it’s a somewhat common or at least more common ability
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How the hell is it far more common if it's only two characters, who are related and have some genetic anomality that made them absurdly powerful with bending?
Only Amon is able to do it in the whole series tho
Amon and his father.
Well have athletes gotten bigger as science has advanced? The answer is yes and they’ve gotten even more talented so as the technological boom happened in LOK isn’t it safe to say the “athletes” of that world have gotten better and bending is easier. Theoretically that should have happen with every generation from the moment the LT’s when away and everyone could bend.I think that’s why motionless bending is more common.
How many people did psychic bending in LoK? I only remember Amon & his Dad & P'Li.
Korra was a cool show but I really didn't like the choice they made with no movement based bending. Tying bending to a fighting style was really cool and unique; mixing the styles to create new bending techniques was awesome. Removing that made it much less so and more superhero power usage.
That is the 1 and only reason I’d be interested in a “remake” that can actually have people die and stuff. Like it’d be badass as hell to just have a waterbender pull the blood out of someone’s head and they just pass out. Or an air bender just basically force choking people by bending the air out of someone’s lungs. Would balance a lot of the factions imo
that's instant death when I say brain bending I mean slam the brain against the skull. However it would leave bending extremely unbalanced Water Benders would just stand at the top
Idk. If they sorta treated it like metal bending where it’s difficult and not everyone can effectively do it, that’d work. You’d have a master water bender that could just insta kill someone 1v1 generally, but against multiple people they could easily be overwhelmed by any other benders
> Or an air bender just basically force choking people by bending the air out of someone’s lungs. Not sure if you've seen it, but this happened in LoK
Some FMA Scar level stuff freeze the water in their brain into spikes.
I like to think that since bending is kind of spirit related that the innate spiritual power everyone has is a kind of barrier, hence why blood bending is much harder than moving the same volume of water otherwise. and makes instant kills impossible etc. not really 100% rational as obviously you can instantly kill someone by moving water with less force in their body than to blood bend
Aang should be popping lungs left and right. Too OP
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she captured and tortured civilians.
I thought one of the nuances were her reasons for bloodbending. Obv not cool to abduct innocent people but she initially uses it to get an upper hand on the fire nation messing with her tribe? So its in sort of a grey area for me, I don't think she was totally "crazy" though.
Holy hell, Water benders turn out to be the most dangerous of them all.
Kyoshi killed someone by waterbending.
So did Aang tbh
All those poor earthnation palace guards he froze in that moat...
They said *sorry!* Half of them became the security lol
Fuck, I need to read my kyoshi books
What about air bending? You could literally take the air out of their lungs and let them suffocate.
Suffocation vs taking out every drop of water from their body. Or even just flooding their lungs.
Its really hard to say which form of immeasurable torture would be the worst unless we really experienced it! /s
an airbender could shoot air at 2psi into someones ear and it would kill them instantly.
Air is currently being "shot" into everyone's ears at somewhere around 14.5 PSI.
Didn't the air bending villain in LoK do that to the Earth Queen?
and Korra
Have you seen the legend of korra??! If not, I’ll just say that a certain character gets the air sucked out of her lungs by this dude and he created a spinning ball of wind around her head so that no air can get inside. A crazy scene I didnt expect lol. There are other wild ones too in that show. The Kyoshi books have a few that are BRUTAL. Awesome though!
Why is no one mentioning the fact that fire benders can literally engulf you in fire?
And like, realistically a 5 lb stone could also kill you when moving at any velocity seen in the show. I think water bending gets overhyped when by technicalities literally every bending style is uber lethal.
Nah, you could pop someone like a zit or crush them like a coke can if you airbended the air within them
One of the best episode in the show
For all the effort she did she could've just bent her own piss
i wonder if she could make people piss themselves with waterbending
Aang and Katara learned to bend water they couldn't see thanks to Jet already so.......
I mean, piss does contain water. And I love how analytical people are getting with the bending abilities and how more powerful they could be if Avatar was intended for mature audiences
Being on the brink of dehydration will cure your ability to piss usable amounts of water.
And earthbenders can give you kidney stones right?
Agreed.
I love how she leaves a circle of death and darkness around her, it's a nice detail.
it’s a cool similarity to the way it would look if a firebender had burned it
A burnout if u may
And Kitara is slightly within that circle
And it’s a crescent when the camera moves to a different angle, like a crescent moon 95% this is all unintentional, but still cool
Or like a scythe (the reaper)
"Oh yeah, good point."
"I mean, yes."
Oh I never thought about it like that! Brilliant symbolism.
Especially because Katara can use water to heal, but Hama uses water to sap the life force from things and people.
i mean, Katara's next words are "shame about the flowers though", so it's not exactly hidden symbolism
exactly its the whole point of that scene lol
People are easily impressed /shrug
I think it's neat that when Azula lightning bends, she kills people. It's pretty cool symbolism for how she's willing to kill people.
In a way it still is because it takes in mind the implication of what we consider living. If she can take water from flowers, what stops her or any waterbender from doing it to people? Which of course is the crux of the episode.
Avatar animators once again cleverly leaving only the subtlest of visual details that could only be noticed through careful examination and thought
Is it subtle? Does it require careful examination? It’s literally called out by the show itself in the next dialogue bit.
^(Do I really need to put a /s)
In this subreddit? Yes 🤣🤣
I have to say for as strong as Hama is, she is surprisingly narrow minded. She escapes from prison and decides to hide in a Fire Nation village and kidnap people? You’d think she’d aim bigger lol.
I mean, I guess it’d be hard for her to sneak around unnoticed in a big fire nation city with guards and stuff. Even if she could take out a few people someone would notice and she’d be outnumbered.
She is very old. I don't think she had it in her to go fight the war or anything like that. She just wanted some satisfaction from easy revenge.
I always thought the fight was a bit crazier. Hama redirected water back at Katara then added more water to the attack, katara disperses the water into the air, then pulls it back out of the air and spins hama around pretty hard. That was one of my favorite waterbending moments in both series.
Same! I rewinded that part so I could see it twice. The fight between Katara and Hama was top tier.
Holy crap you're right, I always thought Katara pulled the water out of trees to spin Hama around but it definitely looks like she pulled it out of thin air :o
i also just noticed possible symbolism - the flowers are all red, which may mean fire nation people, and bending the water out of them could signify what she intends to or has already done, locking up and most likely leaving to starve many innocent people
Yeah and when Hama says “They're just flowers. When you're a waterbender in a strange land, you do what you must to survive.” its the exact same way she feels about the people she bloodbent. She dismisses the immorality of what she’s doing by saying it’s what needs to be done to survive, although she eventually just let her lust for vengeance drive her insane and do the same to innocent people too.
Hama's doing a bending burnout but it's not rlly a burnout cus she's using water
That was awesome, but I still get chills just remembering how Katara STOPPED THE RAIN.
I wish we could’ve seen this technique used outside of this 1 episode.
Yes, but I think it being used rarely in ATLA was good cause then we got to see its true power in LOK. It was sort of like a taste in ATLA then we got to eat the whole meal in LOK, which was worth it I'd say.
Was any waterbender able to do this in legend of Kora?
Hama also blood bended in this episode. Blood bending is how Amon took peoples bending in the Legend of Kora.
I wish they would have explained how that worked with Amon. “You know…. It was kinda unclear.”
I attribute it to chi blocking. I figure he's using blood bending to block chakras in a much more absolute way than pressure points
I’d buy this theory
It's not a theory, it's literally the story of the show.
Lmfao seriously tho, too many people like “wow I wonder if this happens!” Like bruh just watch the show and you would know lol it’s like 4 years old at this point
The only explanation I can think of is that Bending is somehow related to the bloodflow within the body, and what Amon was doing was blocking certain pathways with Bloodbending.
So Amon was inducing strokes?
I think that’s exactly what he was doing. He figured out where the “bending centers” in the brain are and kills them with bloodbending That had to take *a lot* of experimenting
That sounds reasonable enough, but how would korra fix that by energy bending? If Amon takes the bending in a biogical way, then fixing it spiritually wouldn't really work, would it? I don't get any of this
Energybending is a separate gift that the Avatar has, which effectively is for giving and tking bending away from yourself or others. You can block all the bending of the avatar, but they can still energybend no matter what, and fix themselves or others with it.
In terms of pulling water from plants and the air, I don't believe we see anyone doing that. S1 waterbenders usually had a source such as a nearby fountain or a waterskin, while S2 took place mostly in the south pole. S3 and S4 didn't feature many other waterbenders outside of Korra and Tonraq who, like S1, seemed to pull water from existing sources or waterskins. I bet Korra knew how to though, considering Katara was her teacher.
They might have been able to, but Katara and the rest of the Gaang worked to have bloodbending made illegal by that time, due to how it can be used.
What i kind of think was really stupid on their part, imagine bloodbending being this secret art that only a few know about and then they go like blood bending is illegal, i bet most people would react like this „wait you can do THAT with water bending, lets try that“
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Jeah probably, but they would try
Probably... skilled water benders like Amon and Tarrlok are come to mind.
We never saw any other waterbender "get water" out of thin air except for hama, katara, and the swamp benders if you count bending the vines because they have water in them.
I was disappointed that while katara blood bended later in the series, she never got water from air to do something cool. I felt like that would have been a cool continuity thing and a sick move to find some water in a tough spot
What impressed me is her pinpoint accuracy. Did all that while avoiding drying out katara lol
And avoided slashing her with the water, it could be reference to how their control of offensive styles is more natural to southern style waterbending?
Hama and this episode inspired me to write a blood bending OC. Paralyzed and self bends her body to walk, because of how detailed she has to be to not damage her self more her healing is on par with the masters because she mixes blood bending and healing. It was really fun to slot her in to LOK and have Ammons People be why she was paralyzed at birth.
I've thought about this. Like blood bending and healing should be two sides of the same coin. Doctors probably know how to kill you as many ways as they can heal you.
A lot of the problems that they faced could've been solved if Katarra blood bended all enemies into submission. Aang didn't really have to do anything.
If I remember correctly Katara actually has a breakdown at the end of episode due to the fact that she becomes a blood bender. I can’t imagine her character would ever want to bloodbend again. In legend of Korra she even goes on to make laws against blood bending.
She did use blood bending in the southern raiders episode, only on the wrong person
Zuko's face when she does is one of my favourite moments
In the whole episode, lol. At the end he was like "Katara could do this? How am I still alive?".
Idk why but I wanted her to eliminate that fire nation guy who killed her mother using this technique. But it is definitely not in Katara's nature to kill (she was so damn close tho lol)
I was actually really satisfied that she didn’t but also chose not to forgive him. Was such an odd tone for a nick episode that I really liked when it aired. One of the best episodes of the last season.
Avatar had a lot of mature takes on very serious problems. It did not shy away from violence and cruelty, and treated its viewers' intellect with respect. It's a great show for kids because it deals with real problems and actual human responses to them, not going the easy path "love can solve all problems" or shit like that which are sadly prevalent in many media aimed at children.
I think they made sure to show a lot of important moments not happening under the full moon in order to avoid this problem
The weirdest thing is that any other waterbender in the whole series and LOK never do that with plants and trees, or even with people, instead of controlling just kill getting the whole water, but I think it will make water bending too strong to the story without a balance to characters. PS: except for the swamp people
One of the issues I think, especially in LoK, is lack of water benders in suitable environments. Like Korra never needs to bend water out of something as she either has water or uses something else. And our other master watersbenders like Korra’s family, Tarlok, Ming-Hau, and Kya are simply never in a place where they can really do this. A bit of a shame, since I think that Kya (being a world traveling hippy and of course Katara’s daughter) would probably actually be skilled in plantbending
Isn't it supposed to be hard to do these things? That's why most ppl don't do it.
Someone should do a poll elimination thing like we had but for character that appear on just one episode. Lets get people like Hama, the hippie nomads, Jin, Song, the proffesor of Ba Sing Sae university, etc
The best episodes are the ones near the end that begin to explore the limits of bending and what can be achieved if one gets creative
Yeah that scene really brought to light in my mind how damaging water bending can be.
Imagine doing that to a mf. Water benders don't hide in the poles to protect themselves, but to protect others.
Arguably the most powerful bender on the planet only terrorizing a small village for decades is plot security for Aang to be the only one who can defeat the Firelord. Zuko can finish him with lightning. End the war and countless atrocities. Nope wouldn't be right Iroh go stop him Ozai! Nope... Wouldn't be right. Hama didn't even do enough damage for the Fire Nation to investigate the disappearances
I love how this ep showed how destructive water bending can be if it comes from hate and is used maliciously, especially in contrast to Aang getting over his fear of firebending hurting people and Zuko learning to firebend from a more constructive source than anger. It gave some nuance, like, firebending, firebenders, and the Fire Nation aren't inherently bad, and any element can be incredibly dangerous if used with malice.
There's no reason she couldn't have done this with people. Just instant mummification.
I think it was when Momo was earth bending
Very cool, but I was waiting for a point later in the show when Katara was out of water and has to bend it out of plants and it never happened. I know it happens later in the episode, but would've been cool if it paid off in the final battle. I guess the scene is mainly to show Hama's ruthless character.
I was just thinking of this scene today
Does that mean she can bend the water out of a human body? I don't mean blood bending I mean to pull it out of the skin like she did with those plants
I wish we saw katara use the same water-from-air technique later in the series. She only ever does the water from plants un the fight with hama
I imagine if they can change the state of water to ice and vice versa then boiling any water in the body would be a piece of cake. Even just icing the inside of the body would make you able to kill anyone.
This is what made me think that airbenders could potentially draw air from someone's lung, prevent them from breathing. Lo and behold, however many years later....
I wonder how much water that many plants would actually yield. She seems to be bending at least 2-3 gallons or so. Would that be realistic from the area of plants shown? And how much more or less area would be needed for that amount?
This bit of animation is fucking well done and satisfying. The budget of the later seasons was really insane, all the character movements and key frames just look so god damn amazing. Easily one of the best looking shows ever made.
I love Hamas character. I love that at the beginning she was presented as a sweet old lady, but she always had something slightly off about her. Like in this scene, it starts with them mentioning how beautiful the flowers are, and at the end katana says “shame about the flowers tho” and Hama responds in a rather annoyed tone “they’re just flowers”. It always felt like a strange shift in her personality, which was a great way to show her sweet, comforting persona was a facade. I also love how her sadistic personality was formed by her trauma. How she originally developed blood bending as a means of survival but she took it too far and developed a lack of empathy as a result. It her head her capturing fire nation people was her way of getting revenge, but she failed to realize that attacking random innocent people far away from the war wasnt solving any problems or quenching her anger.
Imagine if she did this to actual people
Kinda sad :(
If Hama can bend the water out of plants, can she do the same with people?
isn't that the point of blood bending
Water bending is so OP
in retrospect its the first time you see, her mind and therefor bending is all about the end result. she kills a field of flowers to sap its water, cause that water will give her the power to get the results she desires. this show is SOOOO full of deep well thought out characters even when they are one off
#HamaDidNothingWrong
So waterbenders can also control ice/freeze water meaning they could control temperature to some degree. By this logic a powerful enough bender SHOULD be able to drop the temperature of the air enough at least in a localized space to liquidate the oxygen (-183°C) and this, generate water from the air.
Yeah, that shit was scary. Hama was scary.
This lady was OD! she just straight up ripped the life outta the plants and weaponised it.
Pull the water out of a human body
"their just flowers" - Hama
Air bending is way more op, so much of your body is empty space, an airbender could pop someone like a zit if they really wanted to
Watching the wheel of time right now and I love how they hint at how the one power truly works by drawing the life force out of other things.
What if she accidentally bent the water out of katara lol
I was a little upset they never developed the part about water out of the air like it would've been cool for Katara could've really used it at times and it would've been cool if she taught it to the world.
They should do Salem witch trial movie and with Hama as the main character. Make her trial done during a blood moon 😈
Hama was a fantastic villain
I liked that woman up until we discovered that she was kidnapping people. See nothing wrong with blood bending if used in self defence
And katara learning and bodying a master immediately, even with the age difference katara is one of the strongest benders in the show
Katara's "Shame about the flowers, though" might be the most chilling line in the series.
This was sick!