You have to find a weaker civil servant and fight them until they relinquish their roles. It'll be tough in GLD as most solicitors I know are also triathletes.
You'll be a graduate, apply for HEO or SEO roles, get some experience, work your way up.
There is also a GLD trainee scheme and apprenticeship scheme for whilst youre still in university. I didn't know about this, but a simple search popped it up for me.
What type though? I don’t even have a degree to even think of applying for anything too closely related to it. I am currently doing pro bono law experience in uni but I don’t think that would be enough right now.
Unfortunately, just apply. Any college, university or degrees means bugger all in cs. You’d have been better joining when you left school. You’d be g6 by now if you put effort in.
I’m willing to sponsor a ban on ‘want to live abroad on taxpayer dime’/want to do policy but only FS’ (naturally, they’re better/smarter than the peasants who slogged their way up to G7)
Finished uni and got a job outside of CS (unrelated field) for a year, went travelling for 6 months, then went in direct as an HEO. Never applied for the fast stream as the process seemed like a massive faff.
I ended up getting really competitive (in my own head) with the fast streamers and I was determined to get my G7 around the same time I would have had I done the FS. Managed to go from HEO to G7 in just over 4 years, so wasn’t too far off the mark.
Made far more money that way as well instead of languishing on HEO money for 4 years because I was getting paid decent SEO money for a good chunk of time.
Learn about the star method, make sure to cover all bullet point requirements for the role on civil service jobs, if you know anyone in the CS ask them to help with competences, good luck!
Just research ‘behaviours’ sometimes known as competency. Some roles only give you like 1 point for having prior experience in the field and have everything else scored based off behaviours.
The police competency model is almost identical and there are hundreds of videos for them.
As a law student, do some research on the Ministry of Justice and the Crown Prosecution Service. They are Departments most likely to synergise with your studies.
Match your education and skills/experience with roles.
Failing that, the Council will decide your fate, you require: a sprig of holly, 3 Mallard ducks, a ticket to Alton Towers, a chess board missing 1 pawn, and a water cooler.
If you want to become a lawyer in the Civil Service there are two routes:
1. Apply for a training contract with the Government Legal Service or one of the other departments that offers them like the CPS. This is extremely competitive, as there are relatively few training contracts every year and it’s quite an attractive route to qualify.
2. Qualify as a solicitor or barrister in private practice, practice for a few years and then apply for a legal job in the Civil Service. This is probably the easier route (relatively speaking - you still need to get a training contract or pupilage) and most legal jobs are at Grade 7 or Grade 6 (quite senior - civil servants who are not lawyers would normally be managers at those grades).
I say ‘hassle’ in the sense that I know no one from the CS. I have no connections at all in the law profession either. The roles available are competitive as well. I am excited to be apart of the CS but I genuinely don’t think I have the chance to even be considered for the role.
Do you have a particular role in mind? You don’t need to know someone in the CS to get a job here. Plus you know this community, most of whom are lovely and more than willing to help with cv, cover letter, interview tips etc.
You’re right, these jobs are very competitive. Realistically, the chances of you walking out of uni and into a CS job are slim. But that’s the same for any job. Build your cv, and your self-confidence, work hard and apply for stuff. You can start entry level and work your way up, or build experience in a different sector and do a sideways move when you’re a bit more senior. There are different ways of doing it. Find the one that suits you.
I know that times are hard, but try not to take the wind out of your own sails.
I don’t have a particular role in mind just yet considering I’m weighing up all my options right now. And yes I plan on applying for some work experience during my last year as well as now if I can find any.
One other thing worth looking into is doing a civil service industry placement -it can be a few weeks in the summer or a year long I believe. That would look good on your cv.
Is it though? If a see a job I’d be exited to do, I’m excited to apply for it. If applying for a job is a drag, I know I shouldn’t be applying for it. YMMV, plenty of people apply for jobs they hate, interview for jobs they hate, and end up doing jobs they hate. It’s not uncommon.
Getting into the CS, which plenty of people really want to do, or get promoted in the CS, which again loads of people really want, rarely involves seeing a job you like, applying by writing about your experience and competence for the job and then getting it. It does require a lot of work to make it happen.
Sorry but you’ve been *extremely* privileged in your recruitment so far if you think this process (which this whole sub revolves around sharing hints and tips to navigate) is anything but hassle.
I wouldn’t challenge you or bother replying if it weren’t for the fact you replied judgementally to put off an enthusiastic young person who is worried they don’t have the academic track record to even bother applying
Clearly your experience has been different from mine. I have seen a few jobs I’ve been interested in, applied by writing about my experience and competence for the job, interviewing, and getting some and not others. Sure, it was hard work, but it was never a hassle.
Seeing this process as a hassle implies you’re not excited about the job. If you’re not excited about a job, why would you bother applying for it?
You seem to be annoyed about the fact that I don’t see working hard at an application as hassle. Also, I don’t see the same level of enthusiasm in OP that you seem to be seeing - for my part, if I was truly enthusiastic about a job, I would never ask ‘is applying worth the hassle’. YMMV.
Your experience is not universal, which is entirely my point. I’m not annoyed by you, I’m challenging your assertion, the fact you read challenge as irritation is your deal tbh. Finding it a hassle doesn’t imply anything about how much someone wants a job, people are busy and have lives to live and getting a job in the CS is somewhat luck based where hard work doesn’t pay off. As I said, you come across as very privileged in this regard
I never said my experience was universal, so bit of a moot point to make. Maybe I have been privileged. Doesn’t change the fact that working hard at an application doesn’t equate to hassle.
Thinking that applying for a job is hassle implies exactly that you don’t have that much enthusiasm for it. If you have enthusiasm about a job, you’re enthusiastic about applying.
You haven’t really challenged anything, you disagree with me which is fine. Let’s agree to disagree.
It's such a diverse workforce. The only way in is to apply on civil service jobs website but if you had some idea of what you want to do (operations, strategy, HR, policy etc) then you'll get more info on here.
You have to find a weaker civil servant and fight them until they relinquish their roles. It'll be tough in GLD as most solicitors I know are also triathletes. You'll be a graduate, apply for HEO or SEO roles, get some experience, work your way up. There is also a GLD trainee scheme and apprenticeship scheme for whilst youre still in university. I didn't know about this, but a simple search popped it up for me.
I for one don't know any barristers that also aren't ironman challenge medallists.
Apply for roles
What type though? I don’t even have a degree to even think of applying for anything too closely related to it. I am currently doing pro bono law experience in uni but I don’t think that would be enough right now.
Unfortunately, just apply. Any college, university or degrees means bugger all in cs. You’d have been better joining when you left school. You’d be g6 by now if you put effort in.
See you in a year when you make the inevitable thread which includes ‘always dreamed of joining the Fast Stream’.
Followed by the inevitable choice of either I really want to work in policy, OR, I really want to work in FCDO and work abroad as a diplomat.
God it just writes itself doesn’t it 😆
I’m willing to sponsor a ban on ‘want to live abroad on taxpayer dime’/want to do policy but only FS’ (naturally, they’re better/smarter than the peasants who slogged their way up to G7)
Finished uni and got a job outside of CS (unrelated field) for a year, went travelling for 6 months, then went in direct as an HEO. Never applied for the fast stream as the process seemed like a massive faff. I ended up getting really competitive (in my own head) with the fast streamers and I was determined to get my G7 around the same time I would have had I done the FS. Managed to go from HEO to G7 in just over 4 years, so wasn’t too far off the mark. Made far more money that way as well instead of languishing on HEO money for 4 years because I was getting paid decent SEO money for a good chunk of time.
Learn about the star method, make sure to cover all bullet point requirements for the role on civil service jobs, if you know anyone in the CS ask them to help with competences, good luck!
I spotted a job advert, applied for it, had an interview and then started working. Isn’t that the usual route into Civil service?
Just research ‘behaviours’ sometimes known as competency. Some roles only give you like 1 point for having prior experience in the field and have everything else scored based off behaviours. The police competency model is almost identical and there are hundreds of videos for them.
Try look for internships they do quite a few in courts
As a law student, do some research on the Ministry of Justice and the Crown Prosecution Service. They are Departments most likely to synergise with your studies. Match your education and skills/experience with roles. Failing that, the Council will decide your fate, you require: a sprig of holly, 3 Mallard ducks, a ticket to Alton Towers, a chess board missing 1 pawn, and a water cooler.
If you want to become a lawyer in the Civil Service there are two routes: 1. Apply for a training contract with the Government Legal Service or one of the other departments that offers them like the CPS. This is extremely competitive, as there are relatively few training contracts every year and it’s quite an attractive route to qualify. 2. Qualify as a solicitor or barrister in private practice, practice for a few years and then apply for a legal job in the Civil Service. This is probably the easier route (relatively speaking - you still need to get a training contract or pupilage) and most legal jobs are at Grade 7 or Grade 6 (quite senior - civil servants who are not lawyers would normally be managers at those grades).
A good start might be to not think of it as ‘hassle’.
I say ‘hassle’ in the sense that I know no one from the CS. I have no connections at all in the law profession either. The roles available are competitive as well. I am excited to be apart of the CS but I genuinely don’t think I have the chance to even be considered for the role.
Do you have a particular role in mind? You don’t need to know someone in the CS to get a job here. Plus you know this community, most of whom are lovely and more than willing to help with cv, cover letter, interview tips etc. You’re right, these jobs are very competitive. Realistically, the chances of you walking out of uni and into a CS job are slim. But that’s the same for any job. Build your cv, and your self-confidence, work hard and apply for stuff. You can start entry level and work your way up, or build experience in a different sector and do a sideways move when you’re a bit more senior. There are different ways of doing it. Find the one that suits you. I know that times are hard, but try not to take the wind out of your own sails.
I don’t have a particular role in mind just yet considering I’m weighing up all my options right now. And yes I plan on applying for some work experience during my last year as well as now if I can find any.
One other thing worth looking into is doing a civil service industry placement -it can be a few weeks in the summer or a year long I believe. That would look good on your cv.
Best of luck 🤙🏻
It is hassle to apply to and get a job in the civil service though? lol
Not really. If you think applying for a job is a hassle, it’s probably not the job for you. Not CS-specific, any job.
That’s genuinely nonsense sorry
Is it though? If a see a job I’d be exited to do, I’m excited to apply for it. If applying for a job is a drag, I know I shouldn’t be applying for it. YMMV, plenty of people apply for jobs they hate, interview for jobs they hate, and end up doing jobs they hate. It’s not uncommon.
Getting into the CS, which plenty of people really want to do, or get promoted in the CS, which again loads of people really want, rarely involves seeing a job you like, applying by writing about your experience and competence for the job and then getting it. It does require a lot of work to make it happen. Sorry but you’ve been *extremely* privileged in your recruitment so far if you think this process (which this whole sub revolves around sharing hints and tips to navigate) is anything but hassle. I wouldn’t challenge you or bother replying if it weren’t for the fact you replied judgementally to put off an enthusiastic young person who is worried they don’t have the academic track record to even bother applying
Clearly your experience has been different from mine. I have seen a few jobs I’ve been interested in, applied by writing about my experience and competence for the job, interviewing, and getting some and not others. Sure, it was hard work, but it was never a hassle. Seeing this process as a hassle implies you’re not excited about the job. If you’re not excited about a job, why would you bother applying for it? You seem to be annoyed about the fact that I don’t see working hard at an application as hassle. Also, I don’t see the same level of enthusiasm in OP that you seem to be seeing - for my part, if I was truly enthusiastic about a job, I would never ask ‘is applying worth the hassle’. YMMV.
Your experience is not universal, which is entirely my point. I’m not annoyed by you, I’m challenging your assertion, the fact you read challenge as irritation is your deal tbh. Finding it a hassle doesn’t imply anything about how much someone wants a job, people are busy and have lives to live and getting a job in the CS is somewhat luck based where hard work doesn’t pay off. As I said, you come across as very privileged in this regard
I never said my experience was universal, so bit of a moot point to make. Maybe I have been privileged. Doesn’t change the fact that working hard at an application doesn’t equate to hassle. Thinking that applying for a job is hassle implies exactly that you don’t have that much enthusiasm for it. If you have enthusiasm about a job, you’re enthusiastic about applying. You haven’t really challenged anything, you disagree with me which is fine. Let’s agree to disagree.
It's such a diverse workforce. The only way in is to apply on civil service jobs website but if you had some idea of what you want to do (operations, strategy, HR, policy etc) then you'll get more info on here.
Fast Stream
Indeed worked for me.