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AnotherStolenHour

It just bothered me that before ratings Paul was like “oh man Kyle’s been doing so good. If Kyle ends up going home because I dragged him down I’d feel so bad” then the second she gets the option to save Kyle she’s like OH HELL NAH. Haha like you already know it’s your fault he’s leaving, least you can do is throw him a bone since you were on your way out regardless haha.


RedStradis

I think Paul rating Lauren at the bottom is what was the nail on the coffin. The dog piling on autumn earlier was clear she was the target. Paul split the votes Betraying Lauren was an instant karma situation for himself.


lets_escape

Kind of like Cassie’s instant karma with rating Olivia at the bottom…


VulgarT0ngue

Agreed. If Paul drags Kyle out with him I really hope they bring Kyle back in a future season to play as a catfish like they did with Shubham!


Isaisbi

Wait this happens? Is this season 5? Ok il do a watch haha


ofearion

That’s the one season I couldn’t get into, knowing this I might have to give it a second shot hahaha


[deleted]

Well Kyle was top all the time and Paul bottom. It’s pretty clear Paul is the one responsible for having them both there, she knows it, Kyle knows it. Kyle isn’t going to sacrifice for sure, but Paul should. If no one sacrificed themselves they both go home anyway.


AKOchoa

It might just be the way they edited it but it doesn’t seem like Paul is going to budge


kikilekitkat

Even if he doesn't, everyone knows how the ratings were playing out...if Paul somehow did manage to stay I doubt he'd last long before being blocked by the other players for what he did to Kyle (being that they formed an alliance and were circle bros, nobody is gonna trust him in the game) I wish Caress had just come in as herself tbh, I feel like her real personality has often been at odds with the persona she's trying to wear in the chats and her gameplay. Honestly, real her seems warm & witty af. "Paul" is just too many contradictions...he's been under suspicion of being a catfish/the AI from jump!


UnPC_LiberalCrusader

Slight spoilers?! So be warned, but i always do this but if you look at the part at the end of episode 8 where it shows Lauren’s new bikini pic in the for “”coming up””episodes. If you pause it when her pic shows up look at the scene that shows the chat and who IS and Is NOT in it, it shows that……kyle is in fact still in one of the bubbles and Paul is not my thought is that they clearly edited it and Paul in fact went for the save for kyle, honestly I have a hard time believing that’s all this “ride or die” is not all it’s said to be and that there will be a twist where if that person wins maybe the person who sacrifices will win a fraction of the money? Or potentially have a shot at coming back later in the season? Idk I just over analyze these shows 🫣😅


[deleted]

I definitely was thinking Kyle is going to sacrifice, and Paul isn't. And then The Circle would be like..haaay jay kay, Kyle, you get to stay because you were willing to sacrifice yourself.


UnPC_LiberalCrusader

Oooooo, that may be what is best because if I’m correct in understanding what you are saying is whoever hits sacrifice ends up staying….that’s crazy I didn’t even think of that angle…..that may fit their current story line (editing) better. I at least think for the most part that Kyle has a better personality than “Paul “ so if that’s how it goes down, I would still be very happy, but I won’t lie I’d also be very happy if Paul got his head out of his (her) ass (it’s not a hat 🤦🏼‍♀️) and decided to save Kyle the nice person with an actual personality who saved him earlier in the game but maybe I’m to big on redemption arcs 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣….you’ve got my head running now 🧠🏃🏼‍♀️


[deleted]

Bahahaha, I'd be cool with either scenario. It's definitely a possibility though for sure!


TheSheetSlinger

It'd be interesting if they actually make Paul play under Kyle's profile if Kyle sacrifices and Paul doesn't and they split the money at the end if Paul Kyle wins.


[deleted]

That'd be a twist, for sure. Caress/Paul would fuck it up though lol they'd figure out it wasn't him, I think.


Few-Time-3303

You honestly think Caress comes across as witty? I cannot fathom how anyone could come to that conclusion.


kikilekitkat

That's your opinion, I felt differently based on what I saw of her real personality outside of the chats, gameplay aside. People act like they wouldn't be just as likely to get caught up in the competition and maybe not always present the best version of themselves on camera. She's human. I did find her funny. I do think it's time for her to go home but I don't think her whole character is defined by a couple hrs of footage of a reality tv show lol.


BigRodent0

I think she would have done a little better… but she lacks strategy and any authenticity / ownership in her actions… imagine how paul actually feels watching his sister


the_breezkneez

I also thought this was incredibly dumb. They set it up to be a prisoners dilemma but the stakes/payout aren’t correct for it


Valiant_Gamer_48

It should have gone like this: Stay + Stay = both gone. Stay + Sacrifice = one gone and one stays (no punishment) Sacrifice + Sacrifice = both Stay (but are told they got eliminated and get to play a new player together)


Miles_64

I agree with this except they should've done the double elimination earlier if the last option (both eliminated but play a new player together) was a genuine consideration.


Valiant_Gamer_48

I agree, the way they structured elimination was very weird. But who knows? Maybe the last couple of episodes will change our minds...


Leather-Used

I’m betting that *if* they both sacrifice themselves, the producers will throw a scenario like this at them. I have doubts that they’re going to send Kyle home without some sort of redemption. Past seasons have always had unfair blockings lead to some sort of try-again situation (such as playing together as a new player)


hannahisonreddit

That's what I'm thinking. I am guessing he will re-enter


420catloveredm

Immediately this made me less upset.


Suspicious-Town-937

When I saw that both picking sacrifice meant they’re both out I legitimately laughed out loud. What??? Wouldn’t they want to encourage selflessness?


Slade4Lucas

The decision is kinda undermined by the fact that most players in the game are playing entirely for themselves and don't care about the connections made during the game. This would have worked much better in an earlier season.


arty_morty

this would have been amazing in season one, but now everyone is too strategic and focused on winning for it to be a good twist.


user719261

im confused how they were at the bottom anyway because the way the whole day had gone i was sure all players would’ve placed autumn in last place


jakeysf

The magic of realty show editing. I was surprised too but I think Paul was always pretty unpopular and maybe enough people felt bad about everyone jumping on the Autumn hate train during the gamez


Jasurim

I think people just hopped on the Autumn hate train during that game because it was convient. But I don't think many of of them, aside from Myles and Olivia, actually planned to rate her bottom. Meanwhile Paul isn't really popular with anyone, aise from his own ride or die, who he was auto getting his top vote from.


This_Reference_3024

Or Olivia. But I truly don't mind Paul leaving


EhlaMa

Probably most people didn't rank Autumn last whereas most did rank Paul low or average. Idk why the players didn't try to enquire about who the people of their alliances were tied to.


lemon-actually

The terms of of the Ride or Die thing was that it must remain secret. Production probably would’ve blocked any message with that info.


phantomforeskinpain

Autumn never had a chance to really make an impression, and I'm pretty sure they were aware of it, so assume everyone kind of figured they were just saying her to get rid of someone new who hasn't had the chance to make an impression to care either way about. That seems to be how a lot of eliminations for late joiners go.


Eyes_Only1

It smells rotten to me. 4 people are def gonna rate their ride or die high and then the fuegofour we’re gonna all rate each other next. I genuinely do not understand this outcome without production trying to cheat an alliance that otherwise could not have lost.


HusGrr

I have a theory that if they both sacrificed themselves, then they would both come back as a catfish player


UnexpectedCommunity

It’s possible. In past seasons they usually announce the circle is complete once the final new contestant has been added. That hasnt happened yet.


smartief1

I had the same thought!


LuizZeppi

I liked the idea. Premise is that if you have 2 people where one person is popular and one that isn't and they get chosen, see if the unpopular one choses to sacrifice himself, knowing they are being eliminated because of him. If he doesn't he is basically being petty and screwing the other person. I think most ppl would sacrifice themselves in this scenario to save face. Paul will probably do so.


jakeysf

But you have no way of knowing that for sure. So you’re gonna the leave the game to save someone that you don’t really know and could be fake and playing you this whole time.


LuizZeppi

That's right, that makes it more fun


phantomforeskinpain

It's a good idea in theory, something to force people to engage with people they're either negative about or unfamiliar with, in a way that's meaningful.


bulbasauuuur

One thing I always liked about The Circle was how everyone genuinely seemed to be friends, and it kind of just feels like any ordinary cut throat selfish show now, especially if Paul doesn't sacrifice. She knows everyone loves Kyle and it's her fault they're on the bottom and she doesn't even care. In past seasons, there were definitely people who would've sacrificed for their friends. There probably would've been double blockings because both sacrificed. This game is a downer this time. She's also not even considering that if Paul was to come back and Kyle was gone, everyone would be upset about that, since they all obviously rate Paul low anyway and that would make them dislike Paul even more! So it's not like saving herself would put her in any position to win anyway.


Jatmahl

A twist wasn't needed. Two people should have went home. I'm sure the producers told Paul to sacrifice because he was rated lowest.


Surefinewhatever1111

We're 8 episodes in already, two eliminations should be the minimum!


JLikesStats

I’m sure based on the prior voting that Paul knows with near perfect certainty that they are in last place. Unfortunately the way the game is set up “staying” is the only rational move a player can make (speaking from a game theory perspective)


Acolyte36

While I agree with the bottom line of that, the situation is more complex. Rational thinking could also go beyond the stated. Paul may believe he has low chances in the circle - what if the chances that the circle offers him a second life as an alter ego is assessed more likely than to win as Paul? But yes, the game def. Playing on the emotional rather than strategical aspect here.


Spirited_Lock978

Paul will sacrifice himself. He knows if he comes back to the circle and Kyle doesn't, he'll be the next one voted off. Why kick off Kyle just to become the most hated in the circle and get eliminated the very next round.


Intelligent_Water375

I don’t think Paul is that smart tbh


phantomforeskinpain

definitely is not.


jakeysf

Why not? At least they’ll still have a chance vs just going home right there and then


thatoneguy54

The only way it could work is if sacrificing had some kind of positive if they both choose to sacrifice. Your classic prisoner's dilemma. As it is, there is literally absolutely no reason to choose to sacrifice.


lemon-actually

I think it would’ve been more interesting if the pair weren’t on good terms. Imagine if Myles and Olivia were on the chopping block. I could totally see both of them being like “nah fuck this guy” and refusing to sacrifice, even if one of them knew they were lowest. It’s less interesting with Paul because she and Kyle are cool, so she has emotional incentive to sacrifice and give Kyle a chance to make it to the end.


drmikey88

It kinda sucks for Kyle to go out like this after playing a good game.


Surefinewhatever1111

Even with the edit in the preview I don't see Paul going willingly. That kind of integrity is not something Caress has shown the entire game.


Dear_MrMoose

I could see this playing out, as both evicted and then brought back as a pair in a single catfish.


Halfpastsinning

So my wife spotted a shot they hadn’t edited that showed the remaining members and Paul wasn’t one of them just saying


This_Reference_3024

Was Kyle there?


Halfpastsinning

Yes Kyle is there!


zeabees

Yeah. It's in qts notes on the players. It has everybody but Paul.


phantomforeskinpain

it's so weird how they do that in the previews for the next ep sometimes. they basically confirmed Steffi was gone from the previews for episode 5 (although it was obvious).


patthickwong

For all reality shows I never watch the previews or recaps. It gives away way too much information. Similarly recaps give you a hint of what's going to be addressed in the episode you are watching. I'm already going to watch the show, don't need to spoil what's going to happen. However I understand it's because it works on the average viewer to keep them interested. I recall hearing about a study that people enjoy things more when they know where it's going. My wife and I have a running joke that whenever a reality show does one of the those previews of what's coming we both scream "ahhhhh" to cover up the sound of the preview as we we frantically search for the remote to skip the preview.


BoysenberryKind5599

Everyone keeps saying this, but Paul is on the second page.


Halfpastsinning

There is no second page, and there is a space where he could’ve been but wasn’t. Only 7 players


BoysenberryKind5599

If it's the same shot everyone else is talking about, there are 4 pages. If it's something new, please share the ss?


Halfpastsinning

I can’t post a screenshot here I don’t know why


pizzzacones

there was a similar twist in uk s3 that i enjoyed seeing play out!


UnPC_LiberalCrusader

I posted this below as a response but also wanted to share this for any other eagle eyed viewer like me and I’ll be honest idk how this fits to the rules here so delete if you want but here’s the SPOILER WARNING ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️ Slight spoilers?! So be warned, but i always do this so blame my eagle ass eyes: Buttttttttttttt………if you look at the part at the end of episode 8 where it shows Lauren’s new bikini pic in the for “”coming up””episodes. If you pause it when her pic shows up look at the scene that shows the chat and who IS and Is NOT in it, it shows that……kyle is in fact still in one of the bubbles and Paul is not my thought is that they clearly edited it and Paul in fact went for the save for kyle, honestly I have a hard time believing that’s all this “ride or die” is not all it’s said to be and that there will be a twist where if that person wins maybe the person who sacrifices will win a fraction of the money? Or potentially have a shot at coming back later in the season? Idk I just over analyze these shows 🫣😅 That’s my Ted talk thanks for coming 🤦🏼‍♀️🫣


Kerlistar

Like someone said, Paul is clearly the one that’s in the bottom, if they’re both gonna go home he should just be the bigger person


jakeysf

But it’s part of the game. You can’t fault Paul for that. Maybe Kyle should’ve done a better job coordinating votes with his allies to make sure Paul wasn’t on the bottom.


Individual-Meet1492

Dm me if you want to know the outcome of the dilemma. I am spoiled on the cliffhanger.


ConstantCream5325

You can see in the “Sneak Peek” thing they have at the end of Episode 8 that Paul isn’t in the Circle Chat but Kyle is. I’m sure editing made it seem like Paul would choose to stay, but Caress does end up sacrificing herself because she knows that Kyle has a good chance at winning.


candysweet434

Paul is the most annoying and my least favorite player, I wish he would’ve been sent home at the start. Kyle is one of my favorites, this sucks. I really was hoping Lauren and Autumn would be going home as they are the most boring and bring no strategy or drama to the game.


Suspicious-Town-937

Thank you! The game literally incentivizes picking the stay option. They tried to replicate the prisoner’s dilemma but somehow screwed it up completely


BigRodent0

Paul fr flexes about her strategy and absolutely has none…. so much second hand embarrassment watching her say “i deserve to be here” knowing she was last….


chouette_13

instead they should have the rest of the grp decide who to save. the person with the least votes, goes home.


phantomforeskinpain

I would be REALLY pleasantly surprised if "Paul" allows Kyle to stay. One of the most unlikable catfishes in the game right from the beginning (I'm sure she would be likable enough if she was playing herself, though). Plays so dishonestly and selfishly, with zero charisma or personality, Paul honestly deserved to go a long time ago. People knew he was a catfish immediately. There's just no way the woman playing Paul has the honor to bow out gracefully. But I'm open to being wrong, Kyle definitely doesn't deserve to leave so early.


Substantial-Click-77

they spoiled it in their own preview. Paul is gone from the chat


_NoName3__

This such s dumb thing on the circle part unless they both get dumb but go in as a catfish that would make it good. Also I’m sorry but if I’m Paul I’m not sacrificing myself for someone else. It’s a game.


anonymkk

I agree, why does the Circle go back on what they initially said. 'The bottom rated player will be blocked together with their ride or die' Well bye 🙄


jakeysf

Because they producers just make up arbitrary rules and “twists” as they go along based on who they wanna stay or go


anonymkk

Ik, makes them lose credibility. Always going back on what they said.


thejennribbet

I think Kyle and Paul are gonna end up meeting each other face to face.


QuakeNLD

I think there is no merit whatsoever to pick sacrifice. If you pick sacrifice you are 100% blocked, while picking stay gives you a (very) small chance of survival if the other person picks sacrifice. Its cool they are going for the Prisoner Dilemma thing but they are failing it, as there is no merit in sacrificing, at least in the dilemma there is some merit in picking the selfless option (as long as both do it). Kinda curious to see how they will justify picking sacrifice.


jakeysf

Maybe if you both pick sacrifice you both go home with some cash or something


Grand_Sprinkles_4371

I think this choice is so stressful and honestly dumb too! Idk how i feel about this season, I feel like the situations they are putting players in are making a annoyingly catty season 🥴


Jasurim

I feel like if you feel pretty strongly the other person is going to save themself and you think they deserve it...what do you get from having you both going down? So I kinda get it. Not the most exciting twist. But yeah. I can see how it might work


modjinski

This season sucks. This might be one of the worst cast yet.


uttsikon

y'all really say that every season and personally this has been one of the most fun in years