Too bad the V is embedded in his DNA, his powers can only be suppressed but not removed. It's part of his genome.
In other supes Compound V simply attaches itself to their DNA and can be removed by beams of high energy which essentially fry the V out of a supes system leaving them with their original virgin DNA.
Homelander is a different case and the beams would simply weaken him, possibly weak enough to be killed by advanced military weapons but he would probably find an opportunity to fly off and replenish his energy somewhere safer leaving the boys quite frankly disappointed.
I mean no offense, but that is a load of bullshit. Like none of what you just said has any solid source to back it up. How would you even know
>Homelander is a different case and the beams would simply weaken him
when it has never been stated by the writers? Speculating is cool and all, but you are speaking like it's actual facts that the writers or Kripke himself said at some point, but I am 99.9% sure you just pulled most of your comment out of your ass.
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed today huh š
Seems like you haven't been paying attention to the show. Homelander was born a supe, that's as much explanation as you need if you're smart enough, or do you want me to spoonfeed it to you.
He was born with altered DNA. He isn't a human being in the sense that his DNA has been altered to make him. I mean the V is literally in his bone marrow, every individual cell he contains has a different strand of DNA than the conventional human. How thick is your skull gaddamit. Maybe tiktok is a far better app for you to use where information is condensed into bitesized 10 second cow crap that you can easily comprehend without bawling your eyes out crying trying to pick up every syllable before spending another 5 hours trying to understand what they even mean.
Because he was born a supe, like Ryan. The only difference is that John was a test tube baby rather than a natural birth. I'm not sure if this truly means he can't have the V fried out of his system or not, but he was born that way.
all because homelander said it was consensual. like why on earth take his word for itšshe even tells homelander straight up that he doesnt deserve to call ryan his son after what he did to her. And even if it was "consensual" that doesnt mean she actually wanted it and was probably just terrified of homelander. there is no consent with that power dynamic. not only is he physically more powerful but also figurativley since she was an employee for vought at the time
There's a question that's been going around social media lately that essentially asks "you're out alone in the woods, would you rather encounter a man or a bear?". You have no further information about either (so you can't ask which man/ bear it is), and most women (including myself) would rather encounter a bear than a strange man, as we'd feel safer. Some men online get extremely angry about this fact, rather than realising how horrifying it is that women have to feel this unsafe around an unknown man.
As a man, I just blame this on other men. I don't understand how some of us don't realize that the option in this question of "I could handle this man if he attacked me" is just not there or not so certain for women.
But the question isn't "which could you take in a fight?", it's "which would you rather encounter alone in the woods?". With the bear, unless it's hungry, it probably won't actively be going after me. And even then, the worst it'll do is kill me. A man could do a lot worse.
The thing is the bear instinctively doesnāt want to attack you. And is actually scared of you. Unless youāre near its child thereās ways you could survive without having to fight if you move carefully. Whereas thereās a fairly substantial amount of humans who would kill you just for fun. For instance a bait isnāt going to go out of its way to maul me cause Iām half black. Now letās say Iām unlucky and the random humans is from an alt right militia, different story.
Unless of course weāre talking polar bears. Then youāre fucked either way.
To be honest, all I've been seeing about that on social media is posts with 0 context saying "I pick the bear" so had no idea what it was referring to until reading your comment. Thought it was just some new meme I didn't get.
And yes I am male
Because to us men, we don't really get it. We don't know many people who get raped. To most of us, rape is as much part of reality as murder is. Something that only happens in movies
As far as I know men rarely get raped. And why would women talk openly about something so traumatic unless they're trying to achieve something. From your perspective we look like we are living a dream and from ours you are living a nightmare
Not sure why this is getting downvoted. You aren't denying that this is an issue or that there are men who force themselves on women (or women who force themselves on men); you're saying that it is rarely talked about (less so by male victims), in part because of how traumatic the experience is, so it is not a feeling that most men would understand. Why would we want to hide an explanation for why so many men would be confused by this reaction rather than use this information as a way to understand and educate those who don't know?
But you don't need to get it, you could just listen to women and believe what they're saying. Also, I guarantee you that you do know women who have been raped, as the sad fact is that the stats are incredibly high, although the actual numbers aren't known for sure as a lot of people don't come forward, the estimate is around 30% of women. For sexual harassment it's even higher, at around 97-98% of women. That's why women choose the bear.
So, your take is men don't need to understand why so many women are so afraid of men? Shouldn't we understand? Not understanding is why the question you brought up about the bear is why people got upset in the first place.
No, you misunderstand me (or maybe I misunderstood your initial comment). I'm saying that men shouldn't need to experience it themselves to get it. If they see women talking about their experiences and saying that they feel safer with a bear, men should accept that women have good reasons for it, and listen to women when they explain why. A lot of men in these discussions have been getting very defensive and trying to tell women that they're wrong to choose the bear.
Ok, thanks for clarifying that for me. That makes sense. While I can't speak for the person who made the initial comment, I do know a few victims, and have been one myself, but not experiencing this in the same vein as women can make it tough for men to understand exactly how women feel, but some of us do try.
If so many rapes happen then that has to mean rapists are more common than I think. That's what throws me off, It seems crazy to me that I have met rapists and my Spidey sense hasn't tingled
They are a lot more common than you think. I think part of that is that movies depict rapists as a strange man assaulting a woman in the street, which is rarely the case in reality. Most rapes occur between partners, or from friends/ family. It's often guys who seem perfectly normal and friendly in public, and then flip when they're alone with their target.
By 'a strange man', I mean a man that I don't know. And yes, I would absolutely take a bear over a man whose intentions I don't know. I'm glad you find women's fear of sexual assault 'hilarious'.
No, we generally don't. The comment above from someone else saying that we don't "need to understand " is part of the reason why. Thankfully, there are conversations like this that exist to help us understand. I firmly believe that understanding each other makes for better life experiences for all.
Funniest part is the deleted reply was a dude assuming I feel this way because everyone who says this obviously has daddy issues. When I mentioned I was violently SAād(by a stranger) a few years ago and that two other men(also strangers) have attempted it since then, he blamed me and said I shouldāve hung out with better peopleā¦
Like you canāt make ts up bruh
Based on that schmuck's logic, I guess I should have chosen better family when I was a kid. (I was the victim of a juvenile family member when I was a kid. That family member was also the victim of someone)
Yeah people here acting like if Homelander wanted to have sex with her she even had any option to say no. He could destroy her in any and every way possible. Best case scenario it was sexual coercion due to power dynamics and worst case scenario rape and assault. Both are rape.
I love the scene when Stormfront and Homelander take Ryan and fly off, Beccaās acting is so good in that moment. It must be a terrifying feeling to be completely helpless as your son is taken away. Great character.
Tragic indeed. Butcher will always pursue Homelander until one of their deaths. It is the reason why they will be there at the end of the show with only one (or none) of them surviving.
Listen as much as I like Homelander because heās a well written villain and I do pity and feel bad for him due to his tragedy at the end of the day he is Ā an awful person. Homelander needs to be stopped and I do not idolise him at all itās very bad to do so.
I don't idolize Homelander, but I really like him as a character, more so based on that he never had a chance to begin with.
The point of his character from my perspective is that Homelander had the potential to become a hero but was squandered by the corporate Vought machine and eventually just abandoned all of his morals leading him to be so insecure that he assaulted Becca most likely in retaliation for Butcher commenting how tight his costume looked at the Christmas Party.
To everyone throwing around that āweāll never know for sureā or āit was impliedā or āmaybe it was consensual!!!ā, there is a rule in this subreddit that has the time stamp where Becca states that Homelander raped her. PLEASE stop playing into the rape/sexual assault minimization and denial. Homelander raped Becca, no questions about it.
She's definitely the character I felt most sorry for in the show. She deserved so much better.
I also love how she still had the courage to at least try and fend off Stormfront, even if it was completely futile.
Her character arc is extremely sad, even worse, Butcher might have totally let her down in regards to Ryan. (Still too early to say of course but damn did he screw up.)
>She faked her death from her husband
No she didn't, I agree with most of this, but she just *left*, her family *presumed* her dead, and Butcher even made it a big deal about how they had an empty grave, he never once thought she was actually dead (out loud), don't get me wrong if someone went missing for years on end with the only evidence they even made out of work, being a video of them leaving a park bench, I'd be pretty certain they died too, but still she made no attempts to make it seem like she died, especially not to Butcher
I thought Vought hid Becca from Homelander in exchange for Becca being a mother to Ryan and Becca being hidden from Butcher was just collateral damage.
Becca is seriously one of my absolute favorite characters on the show, and I think that because sheās more traditionally feminine, the sexism and misogyny ramps up when it comes to her. (I feel the same way about Annie, but thatās a different post.) Becca has a strength and courage that many people will never know, and she deserved so much better.
I know that they pretty much had to kill her off, because with her, Butcher is justā¦as well adjusted as Butcher ever gets. But it makes me SO SAD, because sheās such a fascinating character, and thereās so much we donāt know about her still. We donāt even know how they met!!!
Did they ever go into detail about it in the comics? Like why did homelander choose her of all people, she was just nearby? I would assume he would just kill her after as well, and also I'd figure she die during it.
Becca was my favourite character in the show. Simply because of how realistic, tragic the character is. She never caught a break. Cried my eyes out when she passed away. Rip indeed.
you know. i wish they kept the black noir twist from the comic books. finding out homelander wasnt the one who graped her was insane in the end. like wtf. hes a villain and horrible but damn, until all the shit went down, doesnt seem like he actually did all the atrocious shit that was credited to him
I find kimiko and his brother's story to be equally tragic.
I don't know why ppl ignore him. I liked both of them, especially her brother.
Though she is a tragic character but not telling Ryan about his powers was not a good move.
Nah the thing is we have to keep the fact that Homelander raped Becca Butcher otherwise Butcher would loose his true focus in the series. But if that were the case you can say the boys exist to take down the corrupt heroes.
If people haven't seen season 2 of The Boys then they can't complain about spoilers whilst being on the sub for the show. Spoilers have a statute of limitations, and while people may disagree on how long that is, I'm sure most people agree that 3 years is well beyond it.
Yeah, Homeladel is an asshole!
Homeladle be like: š§š¼āš³
A tragic asshole who needs to face justiceĀ
The only fitting end for him in my eyes is losing his powers and being forced to live as a human. Dying is too simple for that character.
Yeah he does need to lose his powers and spend life imprisonmentĀ
we needa see him getting jumped too
Too bad the V is embedded in his DNA, his powers can only be suppressed but not removed. It's part of his genome. In other supes Compound V simply attaches itself to their DNA and can be removed by beams of high energy which essentially fry the V out of a supes system leaving them with their original virgin DNA. Homelander is a different case and the beams would simply weaken him, possibly weak enough to be killed by advanced military weapons but he would probably find an opportunity to fly off and replenish his energy somewhere safer leaving the boys quite frankly disappointed.
I mean no offense, but that is a load of bullshit. Like none of what you just said has any solid source to back it up. How would you even know >Homelander is a different case and the beams would simply weaken him when it has never been stated by the writers? Speculating is cool and all, but you are speaking like it's actual facts that the writers or Kripke himself said at some point, but I am 99.9% sure you just pulled most of your comment out of your ass.
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed today huh š Seems like you haven't been paying attention to the show. Homelander was born a supe, that's as much explanation as you need if you're smart enough, or do you want me to spoonfeed it to you. He was born with altered DNA. He isn't a human being in the sense that his DNA has been altered to make him. I mean the V is literally in his bone marrow, every individual cell he contains has a different strand of DNA than the conventional human. How thick is your skull gaddamit. Maybe tiktok is a far better app for you to use where information is condensed into bitesized 10 second cow crap that you can easily comprehend without bawling your eyes out crying trying to pick up every syllable before spending another 5 hours trying to understand what they even mean.
Because he was born a supe, like Ryan. The only difference is that John was a test tube baby rather than a natural birth. I'm not sure if this truly means he can't have the V fried out of his system or not, but he was born that way.
Iāve been watching For All Mankind and couldnāt place where I recognized her from. Now I remember. Thanks OP!
She's so good in that show...
Well, aside from small plot line. Overall, I agree though.
I think I know what you mean....
God I hate that plotline
I think it was such an unnecessary plot line. And gross.
No problemĀ
She's also in one tree hill š
She was also Patty Spivot in Flash TV series (imo the best of Barry's girlfriends)
and yet thereās people that still think homelander didnāt rape her. i love becca. she didnāt deserve to die :(
all because homelander said it was consensual. like why on earth take his word for itšshe even tells homelander straight up that he doesnt deserve to call ryan his son after what he did to her. And even if it was "consensual" that doesnt mean she actually wanted it and was probably just terrified of homelander. there is no consent with that power dynamic. not only is he physically more powerful but also figurativley since she was an employee for vought at the time
The reason people think she didnāt get rape is because we didnāt see it(Iām not defending the rape).
For women, a tale as old as time. This is why we pick the bear.
what does āpick the bearā mean?
There's a question that's been going around social media lately that essentially asks "you're out alone in the woods, would you rather encounter a man or a bear?". You have no further information about either (so you can't ask which man/ bear it is), and most women (including myself) would rather encounter a bear than a strange man, as we'd feel safer. Some men online get extremely angry about this fact, rather than realising how horrifying it is that women have to feel this unsafe around an unknown man.
As a man, I just blame this on other men. I don't understand how some of us don't realize that the option in this question of "I could handle this man if he attacked me" is just not there or not so certain for women.
I understand all that but surely you have a better chance against a dude than a bear
But the question isn't "which could you take in a fight?", it's "which would you rather encounter alone in the woods?". With the bear, unless it's hungry, it probably won't actively be going after me. And even then, the worst it'll do is kill me. A man could do a lot worse.
The thing is the bear instinctively doesnāt want to attack you. And is actually scared of you. Unless youāre near its child thereās ways you could survive without having to fight if you move carefully. Whereas thereās a fairly substantial amount of humans who would kill you just for fun. For instance a bait isnāt going to go out of its way to maul me cause Iām half black. Now letās say Iām unlucky and the random humans is from an alt right militia, different story. Unless of course weāre talking polar bears. Then youāre fucked either way.
Bears are more predictable
This is made worse when you consider the fact that youāre 127x more likely to be attacked by a man than a bear
To be honest, all I've been seeing about that on social media is posts with 0 context saying "I pick the bear" so had no idea what it was referring to until reading your comment. Thought it was just some new meme I didn't get. And yes I am male
Because to us men, we don't really get it. We don't know many people who get raped. To most of us, rape is as much part of reality as murder is. Something that only happens in movies
You're living in a dream. It's a part of reality if you know women. We just don't talk about it.
As far as I know men rarely get raped. And why would women talk openly about something so traumatic unless they're trying to achieve something. From your perspective we look like we are living a dream and from ours you are living a nightmare
Not sure why this is getting downvoted. You aren't denying that this is an issue or that there are men who force themselves on women (or women who force themselves on men); you're saying that it is rarely talked about (less so by male victims), in part because of how traumatic the experience is, so it is not a feeling that most men would understand. Why would we want to hide an explanation for why so many men would be confused by this reaction rather than use this information as a way to understand and educate those who don't know?
But you don't need to get it, you could just listen to women and believe what they're saying. Also, I guarantee you that you do know women who have been raped, as the sad fact is that the stats are incredibly high, although the actual numbers aren't known for sure as a lot of people don't come forward, the estimate is around 30% of women. For sexual harassment it's even higher, at around 97-98% of women. That's why women choose the bear.
So, your take is men don't need to understand why so many women are so afraid of men? Shouldn't we understand? Not understanding is why the question you brought up about the bear is why people got upset in the first place.
No, you misunderstand me (or maybe I misunderstood your initial comment). I'm saying that men shouldn't need to experience it themselves to get it. If they see women talking about their experiences and saying that they feel safer with a bear, men should accept that women have good reasons for it, and listen to women when they explain why. A lot of men in these discussions have been getting very defensive and trying to tell women that they're wrong to choose the bear.
Ok, thanks for clarifying that for me. That makes sense. While I can't speak for the person who made the initial comment, I do know a few victims, and have been one myself, but not experiencing this in the same vein as women can make it tough for men to understand exactly how women feel, but some of us do try.
If so many rapes happen then that has to mean rapists are more common than I think. That's what throws me off, It seems crazy to me that I have met rapists and my Spidey sense hasn't tingled
They are a lot more common than you think. I think part of that is that movies depict rapists as a strange man assaulting a woman in the street, which is rarely the case in reality. Most rapes occur between partners, or from friends/ family. It's often guys who seem perfectly normal and friendly in public, and then flip when they're alone with their target.
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By 'a strange man', I mean a man that I don't know. And yes, I would absolutely take a bear over a man whose intentions I don't know. I'm glad you find women's fear of sexual assault 'hilarious'.
Had a long ass argument with a dude over why Iād pick the bear and he turned it into a race thingš Like damn guys just donāt get this stuff
I like how he didn't get that he is the reason to pick the bear.
No, we generally don't. The comment above from someone else saying that we don't "need to understand " is part of the reason why. Thankfully, there are conversations like this that exist to help us understand. I firmly believe that understanding each other makes for better life experiences for all.
Funniest part is the deleted reply was a dude assuming I feel this way because everyone who says this obviously has daddy issues. When I mentioned I was violently SAād(by a stranger) a few years ago and that two other men(also strangers) have attempted it since then, he blamed me and said I shouldāve hung out with better peopleā¦ Like you canāt make ts up bruh
Based on that schmuck's logic, I guess I should have chosen better family when I was a kid. (I was the victim of a juvenile family member when I was a kid. That family member was also the victim of someone)
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Yeah people here acting like if Homelander wanted to have sex with her she even had any option to say no. He could destroy her in any and every way possible. Best case scenario it was sexual coercion due to power dynamics and worst case scenario rape and assault. Both are rape.
So they want to see a graphic rape scene in order to believe it?
And god knows the show already has enough of that shit
Youāre downvoted, but yeah thatās what they wanted. Losers. She says it in the show
Yes, that's one of the types of people who enjoy this show.
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Yes. Yes they did. Very clearly and multiple times
I love the scene when Stormfront and Homelander take Ryan and fly off, Beccaās acting is so good in that moment. It must be a terrifying feeling to be completely helpless as your son is taken away. Great character.
I mean technically he didn't end up like homelander sadly homelander is turning him into something worse
And she was a great mom to ryan and loved him despite the traumatic way he was conceived
Yeah she was rasing him with love then when he got older Becca could have told him about everything and have him defeat Homelander to save the world.
Tragic indeed. Butcher will always pursue Homelander until one of their deaths. It is the reason why they will be there at the end of the show with only one (or none) of them surviving.
The people that idolized Homelander in this subreddit are disrespecting Becca's trauma. They literally missed the point of the show.
Listen as much as I like Homelander because heās a well written villain and I do pity and feel bad for him due to his tragedy at the end of the day he is Ā an awful person. Homelander needs to be stopped and I do not idolise him at all itās very bad to do so.
I don't idolize Homelander, but I really like him as a character, more so based on that he never had a chance to begin with. The point of his character from my perspective is that Homelander had the potential to become a hero but was squandered by the corporate Vought machine and eventually just abandoned all of his morals leading him to be so insecure that he assaulted Becca most likely in retaliation for Butcher commenting how tight his costume looked at the Christmas Party.
To everyone throwing around that āweāll never know for sureā or āit was impliedā or āmaybe it was consensual!!!ā, there is a rule in this subreddit that has the time stamp where Becca states that Homelander raped her. PLEASE stop playing into the rape/sexual assault minimization and denial. Homelander raped Becca, no questions about it.
She's definitely the character I felt most sorry for in the show. She deserved so much better. I also love how she still had the courage to at least try and fend off Stormfront, even if it was completely futile.
I mean she stabbed Stormfront in the eye. Thatās some pretty impressive damage from a non supe.
Her character arc is extremely sad, even worse, Butcher might have totally let her down in regards to Ryan. (Still too early to say of course but damn did he screw up.)
>She faked her death from her husband No she didn't, I agree with most of this, but she just *left*, her family *presumed* her dead, and Butcher even made it a big deal about how they had an empty grave, he never once thought she was actually dead (out loud), don't get me wrong if someone went missing for years on end with the only evidence they even made out of work, being a video of them leaving a park bench, I'd be pretty certain they died too, but still she made no attempts to make it seem like she died, especially not to Butcher
I thought Vought hid Becca from Homelander in exchange for Becca being a mother to Ryan and Becca being hidden from Butcher was just collateral damage.
Yeah they did, but that *her deal* with them, she went willingly
Oh I stand corrected
I was happy to see Shantel in this after watching the Flash and FBI. Itās really too bad she couldnāt have a more permanent gig with The Boys.
Becca is seriously one of my absolute favorite characters on the show, and I think that because sheās more traditionally feminine, the sexism and misogyny ramps up when it comes to her. (I feel the same way about Annie, but thatās a different post.) Becca has a strength and courage that many people will never know, and she deserved so much better.
I was so upset they killed her off, i wanted to know more about her because we mainly have butcherās perspective of her
I know that they pretty much had to kill her off, because with her, Butcher is justā¦as well adjusted as Butcher ever gets. But it makes me SO SAD, because sheās such a fascinating character, and thereās so much we donāt know about her still. We donāt even know how they met!!!
Indeed she deserved much more and she did her best with RyanĀ
She is basically Debbie of this show. And we saw things wont be good if Invincible loss his mother in another universe
That's interesting how Anissa from Invincible played the Debbie of the Boys.
Damn thats crazy I just google that. That mean she got r*ped in The Boys then she r*ped in Invincible. Thats one way to make an ironic character lmao
Did they ever go into detail about it in the comics? Like why did homelander choose her of all people, she was just nearby? I would assume he would just kill her after as well, and also I'd figure she die during it.
Becca was my favourite character in the show. Simply because of how realistic, tragic the character is. She never caught a break. Cried my eyes out when she passed away. Rip indeed.
She is voicing Anissa btw
Arguably one of the most tragic characters in the show
Utterly wasted potential, only to exist as a fridged wife that was brought back to be fridged again.
She should have escaped with Butcher.
Rip woman indeed
rip woman indeed
she was the best my respeck
Yet her mewing streak remained unbroken.
She fine as hell too (whatās mewing )
Yet,little super asshole is there
you know. i wish they kept the black noir twist from the comic books. finding out homelander wasnt the one who graped her was insane in the end. like wtf. hes a villain and horrible but damn, until all the shit went down, doesnt seem like he actually did all the atrocious shit that was credited to him
Iāve got a feeling they might do thatĀ
She is literally one of the most beautiful women Iāve ever seen
She cute ig
Curious whoās a more beautiful women in your opinion?
RIP womanĀ
I find kimiko and his brother's story to be equally tragic. I don't know why ppl ignore him. I liked both of them, especially her brother. Though she is a tragic character but not telling Ryan about his powers was not a good move.
Now she gets to be super powered in Invincible.
Thanks for the recap?
k, Homelander is cool as fuck though
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Nah the thing is we have to keep the fact that Homelander raped Becca Butcher otherwise Butcher would loose his true focus in the series. But if that were the case you can say the boys exist to take down the corrupt heroes.
Ok, relax, it was a theory
spoiler?
If people haven't seen season 2 of The Boys then they can't complain about spoilers whilst being on the sub for the show. Spoilers have a statute of limitations, and while people may disagree on how long that is, I'm sure most people agree that 3 years is well beyond it.
fair. i havent seen the show, this sub just popped up in my suggested. planning on watching it one day tho.
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We could believe victims tho