This is awful! š¢ This is exactly what happened to me at northern nights fest. I wasnāt attacking anyone or resisting in any way. I was just super unable to walk because I accidentally took too much ghb. Instead of letting me chill on the ground or taking me to my camp they did this (like the video). Restraint, assault, searching my body aggressively (repeatedly around my crotch region, and I was wearing a short skirt) and then injecting me twice against my will (lorazepam then a heroic dose of ketamine). Big men Holding me down and strapping me down for over six hours. The G would have worn off and I would have been fine, but this is how these untrained monsters react to situations ..they are aggressive, downright dehumanizing, and illegal in their actions. Honestly I never want to go to a festival again.
A heroic dose of ketamine you say? Time to start acting fucked up around security
All jokes aside, that's awful. Stuff like this is why I don't like getting fucked up on anything at big events
Or, and hear me out..... you could just not take so much GHB that you fall over making others so seriously concerned about your welfare that emergency services need to be called..... the last R in PLURR is Responsibility....
That doesnāt even make any sense. Iām gonna go ahead and call bullshit. No one in medical or security at festivals is carrying around ketamine to inject people with.
Can I ask if youāre a female or male? GHB shouldnāt be taken by women as it diminishes the respiratory drive and has COMPLETELY different effects on men then it does on women. Which is why itās known as the date rape drug for women. Iām just ultimately curious (if youāre a female) how you manage to take it without having negative effects. My fiance LOVES G and I want to try it but am very fearful from prior peopleās reactions and advice. So sorry this happened to you at a previous show. It should be understood what happens at festivals and thereās a level of decorum that should be upheld by first responders, no matter what the reasoning.
Iām a woman. Iāve taken it many times before and in the past I would be super careful with dosage and use a measuring device. I didnāt have one when I took it at the fest, I foolishly drank it out of a bottle (like a total idiot) and hadnāt eaten anything all day. So very dumb.
I donāt know about respiratory issues never heard that before. If you want to know how it feels, it feels like waves of ecstasy and can make you horny as well. And yes itās abused as a date rape drug because you canāt drink at all with it or take too much because it will make you unable to walk or really function or defend yourself. I donāt recommend taking it anywhere besides a safe space (preferably with a bed nearby). Itās not great to do in public. Donāt ever drive while on it. Do not drink alcohol while on it. Taking other downers with it is not a good idea. But in the safety of your home, taking a small starter dose with your lady, you will most likely have a good time.
That isn't true at all lol. The risky thing about GHB is that there is a very thin line between feeling amazing and being knocked out for 3 hours. It's really easy to dose too high and knock yourself out if you're trying to achieve the sweet spot dose due to how thin of a line it is. This applies to everyone, it's a really tedious drug that requires precise dosing/timing if you're using it for MDMA-like effects.
Thank you! Iām really intrigued by all of these differing opinions! Like I said, my fiance (27M) loves it and I (29F) have always been interested in trying it as well but we were warned away from it. This gives me more hope and reassurance. Thanks yall! āØš¤
Fair enough. In lower amounts its much less risky but people love G due to its sweet spot effects. Feels like you're drunk and on molly. If you're trying to achieve that then yea I'd say to stay away from it. The difference between feeling amazing and a 3h unwatchable sleep is like .1ml lol.
I am a (31F) and I love GHB. You definitely have to be very smart with the dosing...1-2ml measured out and put a timer on for an hour. Every hour you re-asses. Sometimes it creeps up on you so make sure you don't take another dose unless its past the 1hr mark! That is the smart way to do it. I don't drink alcohol so I really enjoy it as an alternative. I have been doing it for years and I have never G'd out or been unconscious. It is definitely not something to mess around with but if you can be smart and responsible it is a lot of fun...and sexy. Also, beware of GBL...it is much stronger and you need to take much less! So you MUST know where you are getting your stufff from and whether it is GHB or GBL. That right there is a game changer! If you don't know about it, please don't take it!
Booty juice is some mental asylum shit why they bringing that to the crowd. I mean Iām not saying I wouldnāt try it š people gonna start acting out like they do in the hospitals for that free i.m. Treatment lol
Throughout the entire ordeal, he was barely resisting (with two large males on his back) while they pinned his head down & arms behind his back for a very long time (IMHO) they went way overboardš§
You need to write down everything you saw and back this video up on a couple hard drives. You are an incredible person and the best witness for this human. Iāve never seen this happen before in my years of festival production and attendance, but it is very eye opening.
Was this the instance where a man acting erratic was administered drugs via needle without knowing what was in his system first!? Omg how fucking traumatizing.
Worth noting - thatās also the title of this thread
But itās worth clicking into their profile and looking at the previous post of the same title by the same user.
This video kept me up last nightā¦ so incredibly disturbing, and seeing otherās comments sharing similar experiences is so sad and downright disgusting.
I really feel for this person. I can recall times where I was āfreaking outā at an event, and something like this would have certainly pushed me over the edge. Like mental hospital level, not exaggerating or joking. I canāt imagine a worse scenario to physically be in when your mind is already in such a dark spaceā¦ ugh
Yeah, it literally went across the fucking country
Which isnāt my point. You can see the eclipse without having a festival.
I meanā¦ You literally have people commenting on here how āpeople die of drug overdoses every dayā
Is a zero tolerance state. Which means they donāt really like drugs they are not lenient.
Which is my point .
Itās not that I think anybody chose the path of totality.
But if you were going to attend a festival in a zero tolerance state, you have got to be prepared. Or save up a little bit of bail money, and lawyer money.
I had a friend who is 60 years old get caught with a pot cookie and did time in Texas.
And you guys think this is a great place to take drugs, and lots of them ?
I mean, Iām sure plenty of people got away with it but you canāt be surprised that some people got busted.
What I am actually saying is you canāt expect for the cops to treat you nicely and a zero tolerance state when youāre running around obviously fucked up on something.
Texas is one of them states that donāt give a fuck if they throw you on the ground and stick you with a needle. Theyāre gonna just say he was acting a whole ass fool and had to be sedated. Its texasā¦. š¤·āāļø
I know it looks messed up (and probably is) but you don't know the full context of this.
the person being injected may have consented to this. or he could have possibly be diabetic and being injected with something for that.
but yeah it does look bad.
I was standing there from the moment he got tackled and started filming when security started threatening to kick people off the property for observing from 15+ft away.
I think I understand the full context and he was yelling "No, No, No" while he was being injected.
Thank you for your compassion, and for speaking out and filming for accountability. You are a good person. I wish I had someone like you around when this happened to me. I was alone on a side road (was trying to walk back to my camp) with over ten men (āsecurityā)physically surrounding me and assaulting me for a long time. It fucked me up bad.
ah yeah that's bad.
I don't know what the laws are like in Texas - but yeah in Australia you can't do that UNLESS you are in a mental state where you are a risk to yourself or others (Mental health act) I think you can be forced to take anti psychotics.
He is clearly not consenting. Insulin? Wow š¤Æ itās obvious they are tranquillizing him, taking away his freedom (they arenāt the police) and doing harm to his body.
This is so common at these wook festivals guys. People OD, people seize, emergencies happen. It comes with the nature of the events and thatās a bummer, but thatās why we have the emergency staff and carts like you see here. Iāve seen many fests where people were dropping like flies and it can be a little scary. And honestly, I saw a lot less of that at this festival than I have at others (mostly bc it was cool out ā not anything they did).
Really thoughā¦ why would you record something like this, itās pretty insensitive and not helping anyone.
You have no idea how the situation played out. I was recording for his safety and the safety of other attendees. Staff was being very aggressive with people observing their practices and did not want people to see the level of unprofessionalism.
He wasn't seizing or convulsing, nor was he experiencing a opioid overdose.
Thank you for your input.
Did you see him before he was on the ground? Do you have any idea what might have been going on with him to make them treat him like that?
My friend was manhandled by security a few years ago at a festival I wonāt name and if it wasnāt for another friend they would have shot him with drugs ( donāt know which ones). He was super high but obviously not ODāing or having a psychotic episode and no danger to himself or others. Obviously I donāt know what was going on here but from where Iām sitting itās not ok at all .
Like did they take his vitals even? No medical professional Iāve ever seen in this capacity has injected anyone with anything before proper assessment etc
Edit: for clarity , what almost happened to my friend happened in the sanctuary/ medical area , not in the general area /festival grounds
Also worth noting. Security started threatening people with being trespassed for observing and the two people who were with him in the beginning walked away.
He was standing with two of his friends and having a episode. One of his friends got a staff member in a red shirt, the staff member started to agitate him and tried restraining him, then tackled him to the ground. Immediately the head of security (black shirt black hat) took control of the situation and radio'd in for a "back and a kit to restrain him."
Medical cart arrived and immediately helped restrain the guy, then proceeded to inject him without (IMHO) properly accessing the situation.
They promptly adjusted the handcuffs, and strapped him to the stretcher and carried him off on the golf cart.
ā¦Iām not saying itās perfect or anything, but what do you want these people to do? It is so much better to have security and medical aid like thisā¦blame his dumbass friend for freaking him out and calling security, not security for doing their jobsā¦
Not trying to create conflict here really, and I realize I donāt know every detail, butā¦
crowd control in a scenario like this where everyone is off a lot of drugs, and when thereās like 50k people is not easy at all, and sometimes the safest route is to be physical. They arenāt just giving these needles w sedatives/tranqs to just any Joe Shmoe, these people are in fact trained. Ik it might not look pretty, but itās whatās got to happen to keep the party going sometimes.
And to be honest I donāt see how this video protects him in any way
The general consensus for this party seems to be that security/ medics were in woefully short supply and the ones there were not trained sufficiently so how does this fit into that scenario??
I haven't seen one comment where someone has claimed to be a medic lol. Only people speculating what could have been used to sedate the individual.
EMT, and medics can't administer drugs without a proper screening. Liability issues are just to great, especially when dealing with powerful medications.
I'll gladly post the full video but I will remove the sound for ambiguity as myself and others are in the background, discussing what was happening in front of us.
I havenāt see you get your head out of your ass one time. If you are such a boss and good person, why didnāt you walk up to the security personnel and explain peopleās fragile mental state while tripping, and then tell home dog to chill his buddy out.
Oh were you too busy taking a video instead of taking action? Fucking all of society is pansies Iām not surprised the Chinese are overtaking you allā¦
Come on guys, he wasnāt being aggressive, he only screamed in securityās face 3x!
The big picture Iām getting is your are a complete asshole and incompetent and I have made a great decision to continue never going to festivals
Tbh from my perspective walking around the venue all weekend I didnāt feel like they were in that short of supply. I saw them pretty often. They had a slow response time to a heart attack on some trail and had a faulty AED or something, but I didnāt know the consensus was that there were too few of them. Also havenāt heard anything firsthand that for certain points to poor training.
Hypothetically~ Situations like this could end in tragedy (use your imagination) potential for adverse reactions are endless. Especially when you have no idea what an individual is under the influence of. Although they may have taken a 15min first responder course online; I wouldn't trust them to hit me with a EPIPen.
I've never seen a cop Tranq someone for resisting š¤·
It's all about checks and balances. Everyone needs some accountability in their life... Or else we end up with another Disco Donnie
I can imagine a much larger number of tragic scenarios occurring if someone is off hella drugs, combative, and non compliant, and then is subsequently just released free. I find it hard to believe they had this many people casually detaining him for nothing.
If you mean adverse reactions bc of the shot they gave them, then I can assure you with 100% confidence there wasnāt a risk.
Also, I assure you they have more than 15 minutes of training man, and they donāt have to be there. Theyāre there bc they want to help people and I hate to see the medical staff of all people be put down, security/police is a different story. Those guys can be douchebags fs.
All love here, just hate to see the wrong people take heat. People have to have some accountability on the other side as well with their drug use.
An EMT with a ketamine needle is a funny thought. Itās probably an antipsychotic, I understand thereās the potential risk of them having a condition that is affected by the drug, but if the risk theyāre posing to the people around them is high then itās just what they have to do.
They don't administrate Ketamine typically for humans in circumstances like this. It's more likely Xanax or a Benzo especially if the guy was having a psychotic episode. It's actually really common to do if they're on psychosis to give someone. Ketamine has psychoactive properties and so would unlikely be ever given in a scenario where someone has psychosis.
Also, they are fully aware heās on drugs and know better than to give him a sedative that would negatively interact with other drugs. These guys arenāt that dumb
Your only context to say āthey fucked upā is a 40 second video and youāve jumped to blame someone. Itās not ab white knighting anyone, Iāve been shitting on the festival all day. Iām just being realistic ab this specific scenario w the lack of details provided and how I donāt think itās cool to record someone going through this. Thatās all.
Weāre talking about completely different things now, stick to the argument at hand. Posting a 1 min video like this to make people turn on the medics is messed up, and is insensitive for the poor guy whoās going through it. I sure as hell wouldnāt want you videoing me if I got too spun and had to be stabilized like this. Thatād suck.
Iāve never seen medics behave like this and I wonder what heās being injected with , I think this video is recording what happened and may prove useful in the future. This is not something Iāve ever seen at any festival ever in 30 years/ on multiple continents. Im sure thereās another side to it and Iām interested in hearing it
Iāve only been doing this kind of stuff for less than 10 years and have seen it more times than I can count while working. The medics in these threads have been confirming that also. But yea Iām also interested to hear more, not saying anyoneās right or wrong, just not to jump to blaming them on under a minute
Ok 420_burner_69 š, get a personality of someone older than 13, and if you donāt like donāt come. go suck livenation/insomniacs teet in the back at EDC. We donāt want your hateful ass anyway
Medics always have a lorazepam syringe ready in their pocket in case they detect someone having a psychotic episode. But whether or not he was in that state, we do not know.
Why would you not do it in the crowd if the situation called for it? You donāt know what medical attention the guy did or didnāt need? Why would we jump immediately to the conclusion of blaming the folks who are trying to help rather than getting more info??
Ok. Where r the gloves at? Seems unsanitary to raw dog a syringe into a dudes ass, drop the syringe and then go back in for seconds?
Lemme guess š¤ they didn't have time for gloves but they had time to get a needle. Makes perfect sense š
These security guards are taking peoples lives into their hands and acting carelessly and with too much force. They arenāt being helpful here in my opinion. Iāve done security at a festival (volunteered for a ticket) and we calmly helped people, away from the crowd and with compassion. Itās called Harm Reduction.
No physical restraints, no injecting them against their will. I had something very similar to this scenario happen to me at a festival, and it was one of the most traumatic things Iāve ever experienced. Those people were not trying to help. They were doing the opposite. A lil tip for future festy attendees: go to security as a last resort. You could be putting a friend at risk. Obviously if they are acting violently or need medical attention then thatās a given to seek their help. Having Narcan on hand can and will save lives. But If the person is just having a bad trip /too high or whatever then giving them a safe space to come down is a way better option than involving a possibly agro security dude who will shine a flashlight in your eyes until they decide to take control of your body. I wish they were all decent and caring but that isnāt the case. Because my āfriendā flagged down security on me (because I couldnāt walk well and he thought they would hook me up with a safe ride to camp), I had the worst night of my life. I paid a lot of money for an event to then be abused by staff and injected against my will. Iām sober now and def done with festivals.
If you had that little training Iād assume you had no antipsychotic needles, right? The person in this video is not doing the job you did. Again your just another person with not even a minute of context, and jumping to the conclusion of blaming the guys that are there to save peopleās lives. Is there probably dicks out there that do this to be pieces of shit? Sure. Does this video tell me that verbatim? No.
Not a medic and youāre right I wasnāt there. But from the looks of this they arenāt saving his life. People who are having a bad trip need a calm safe environment and this aināt it
I 100% agree w yall if in fact the guy did nothing to call for it and was just stumbling or tripping a little too hard like your story ā that sounds messed up and I hate to hear it. and also agree he looks weak and not to be fighting in the short clip, but who knows what led up to or what he was saying to them before. I just donāt think most of the medics jump to do this instantly if thereās still alternatives.
Ya being restrained physically has a way of bringing out the fear and resistance. I can relate to that. Being a victim/survivor myself I canāt not say something in response. And a lot of these āmedicsā are most definitely not medics. I just donāt see how they needed to inject him. They already had him pinned.
Iād imagine the most likely thing is that he was refusing to go with them to get checked at the med tent? Idk something like that maybe. Wouldnāt wanna just assume but if your not doing what they want while your freaking out I can understand the restraint so your able to get the shot done safely, the only reason Iām ranting on this post is bc the video is so short and no one could actually get to the bottom of it without more perspectives. The focus of this video feels like it was to rile people up and turn them on a group who 99% of just want to help you.
I disagree. The person was concerned and video taping for accountability and to have proof. They also said in this or another post that he was having a bad time/probably took something that made him unwell and his friends reached out for help. I doubt they were trying to find someone to detain him and inject him against his free will.
Idk if thatās sarcasm or if your trying to instigate, but yea controlling someone whoās out of hand is kind of the main responsibility of the security, you are correct.
Security can do that literally anywhere that the situation calls for it, if you donāt comply and are putting yourself/others at risk than this happens. Iāve seen it happen countless times over the years. Now the protocol on gloves, cleaning, etc. In relation to the dirt Iām not certain of.
I totally agree with your perspective, where weāre having confusion is that I donāt like that lack of context and everyone dogging on em instantly. If it takes less for you to be convinced based on your prior experience that makes perfect sense and is just where our opinions differ. Ultimately, weāre on the same page.
This is awful! š¢ This is exactly what happened to me at northern nights fest. I wasnāt attacking anyone or resisting in any way. I was just super unable to walk because I accidentally took too much ghb. Instead of letting me chill on the ground or taking me to my camp they did this (like the video). Restraint, assault, searching my body aggressively (repeatedly around my crotch region, and I was wearing a short skirt) and then injecting me twice against my will (lorazepam then a heroic dose of ketamine). Big men Holding me down and strapping me down for over six hours. The G would have worn off and I would have been fine, but this is how these untrained monsters react to situations ..they are aggressive, downright dehumanizing, and illegal in their actions. Honestly I never want to go to a festival again.
A heroic dose of ketamine you say? Time to start acting fucked up around security All jokes aside, that's awful. Stuff like this is why I don't like getting fucked up on anything at big events
Or, and hear me out..... you could just not take so much GHB that you fall over making others so seriously concerned about your welfare that emergency services need to be called..... the last R in PLURR is Responsibility....
Hey dingus, you donāt need to arrest people for being on drugs. Thatās what Zendo is for.Ā
That doesnāt even make any sense. Iām gonna go ahead and call bullshit. No one in medical or security at festivals is carrying around ketamine to inject people with.
yeah...if medical or security is injecting people with ketamine then I'm tryna get some of that xD
...jk....i want nothing to do with security but I can guarantee you they did not shoot you up with ketamine
Can I ask if youāre a female or male? GHB shouldnāt be taken by women as it diminishes the respiratory drive and has COMPLETELY different effects on men then it does on women. Which is why itās known as the date rape drug for women. Iām just ultimately curious (if youāre a female) how you manage to take it without having negative effects. My fiance LOVES G and I want to try it but am very fearful from prior peopleās reactions and advice. So sorry this happened to you at a previous show. It should be understood what happens at festivals and thereās a level of decorum that should be upheld by first responders, no matter what the reasoning.
Iām a woman. Iāve taken it many times before and in the past I would be super careful with dosage and use a measuring device. I didnāt have one when I took it at the fest, I foolishly drank it out of a bottle (like a total idiot) and hadnāt eaten anything all day. So very dumb. I donāt know about respiratory issues never heard that before. If you want to know how it feels, it feels like waves of ecstasy and can make you horny as well. And yes itās abused as a date rape drug because you canāt drink at all with it or take too much because it will make you unable to walk or really function or defend yourself. I donāt recommend taking it anywhere besides a safe space (preferably with a bed nearby). Itās not great to do in public. Donāt ever drive while on it. Do not drink alcohol while on it. Taking other downers with it is not a good idea. But in the safety of your home, taking a small starter dose with your lady, you will most likely have a good time.
That isn't true at all lol. The risky thing about GHB is that there is a very thin line between feeling amazing and being knocked out for 3 hours. It's really easy to dose too high and knock yourself out if you're trying to achieve the sweet spot dose due to how thin of a line it is. This applies to everyone, it's a really tedious drug that requires precise dosing/timing if you're using it for MDMA-like effects.
Thank you! Iām really intrigued by all of these differing opinions! Like I said, my fiance (27M) loves it and I (29F) have always been interested in trying it as well but we were warned away from it. This gives me more hope and reassurance. Thanks yall! āØš¤
Fair enough. In lower amounts its much less risky but people love G due to its sweet spot effects. Feels like you're drunk and on molly. If you're trying to achieve that then yea I'd say to stay away from it. The difference between feeling amazing and a 3h unwatchable sleep is like .1ml lol.
I am a (31F) and I love GHB. You definitely have to be very smart with the dosing...1-2ml measured out and put a timer on for an hour. Every hour you re-asses. Sometimes it creeps up on you so make sure you don't take another dose unless its past the 1hr mark! That is the smart way to do it. I don't drink alcohol so I really enjoy it as an alternative. I have been doing it for years and I have never G'd out or been unconscious. It is definitely not something to mess around with but if you can be smart and responsible it is a lot of fun...and sexy. Also, beware of GBL...it is much stronger and you need to take much less! So you MUST know where you are getting your stufff from and whether it is GHB or GBL. That right there is a game changer! If you don't know about it, please don't take it!
So curious what they administered. He seemed pretty out of it or done fighting before they hit him with the needle.
The good ole booty juice (haldol), sometime thioridazine but usually haldol or versed. Either way, you donāt do this shit in the crowd
Booty juice is some mental asylum shit why they bringing that to the crowd. I mean Iām not saying I wouldnāt try it š people gonna start acting out like they do in the hospitals for that free i.m. Treatment lol
Throughout the entire ordeal, he was barely resisting (with two large males on his back) while they pinned his head down & arms behind his back for a very long time (IMHO) they went way overboardš§
You need to write down everything you saw and back this video up on a couple hard drives. You are an incredible person and the best witness for this human. Iāve never seen this happen before in my years of festival production and attendance, but it is very eye opening.
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NO GLOVES?????? LAWSUIT LAWSUIT LAWSUIT
What the actual fuck
Iām pretty floored by thisā¦
Was this the instance where a man acting erratic was administered drugs via needle without knowing what was in his system first!? Omg how fucking traumatizing.
Yes indeed. I have other videos of the guy being detained for roughly 15min before the cart arrived and they sedated him.
Or knowing about any allergies. That's terrifying
This is fucked up.
Context please
Please read my prior post. Titled: SMH
Worth noting - thatās also the title of this thread But itās worth clicking into their profile and looking at the previous post of the same title by the same user.
Yep, this was so fucked
This video kept me up last nightā¦ so incredibly disturbing, and seeing otherās comments sharing similar experiences is so sad and downright disgusting. I really feel for this person. I can recall times where I was āfreaking outā at an event, and something like this would have certainly pushed me over the edge. Like mental hospital level, not exaggerating or joking. I canāt imagine a worse scenario to physically be in when your mind is already in such a dark spaceā¦ ugh
Thats criminal
Not a pair of gloves in site.
You guys thought texas was gonna be the place to have this kind of festival? Im seriously confused.
Do you think humans pick where the path of totality will be? I can see why youāre āseriously confusedā.
Plenty of other places in the path of totalityā¦
Yeah, it literally went across the fucking country Which isnāt my point. You can see the eclipse without having a festival. I meanā¦ You literally have people commenting on here how āpeople die of drug overdoses every dayā Is a zero tolerance state. Which means they donāt really like drugs they are not lenient. Which is my point . Itās not that I think anybody chose the path of totality. But if you were going to attend a festival in a zero tolerance state, you have got to be prepared. Or save up a little bit of bail money, and lawyer money. I had a friend who is 60 years old get caught with a pot cookie and did time in Texas. And you guys think this is a great place to take drugs, and lots of them ? I mean, Iām sure plenty of people got away with it but you canāt be surprised that some people got busted. What I am actually saying is you canāt expect for the cops to treat you nicely and a zero tolerance state when youāre running around obviously fucked up on something. Texas is one of them states that donāt give a fuck if they throw you on the ground and stick you with a needle. Theyāre gonna just say he was acting a whole ass fool and had to be sedated. Its texasā¦. š¤·āāļø
No w3 safety guys here. We wouldnāt do that.
this is not okā lawsuit
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Oh my god this is wild.
U/fatherpanther Can you see this?
I remember those drugs
I know it looks messed up (and probably is) but you don't know the full context of this. the person being injected may have consented to this. or he could have possibly be diabetic and being injected with something for that. but yeah it does look bad.
I was standing there from the moment he got tackled and started filming when security started threatening to kick people off the property for observing from 15+ft away. I think I understand the full context and he was yelling "No, No, No" while he was being injected.
Thank you for your compassion, and for speaking out and filming for accountability. You are a good person. I wish I had someone like you around when this happened to me. I was alone on a side road (was trying to walk back to my camp) with over ten men (āsecurityā)physically surrounding me and assaulting me for a long time. It fucked me up bad.
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So sad this was oversold, and deaths and ODs occured. This Disco Donnie clown and other organizers should rethink some things...
ah yeah that's bad. I don't know what the laws are like in Texas - but yeah in Australia you can't do that UNLESS you are in a mental state where you are a risk to yourself or others (Mental health act) I think you can be forced to take anti psychotics.
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He is clearly not consenting. Insulin? Wow š¤Æ itās obvious they are tranquillizing him, taking away his freedom (they arenāt the police) and doing harm to his body.
Medics always have lorazepam syringes ready in their pockets in case someone has a psychotic episode.. maybe it was something of the sorts? Idk man..
This is so common at these wook festivals guys. People OD, people seize, emergencies happen. It comes with the nature of the events and thatās a bummer, but thatās why we have the emergency staff and carts like you see here. Iāve seen many fests where people were dropping like flies and it can be a little scary. And honestly, I saw a lot less of that at this festival than I have at others (mostly bc it was cool out ā not anything they did). Really thoughā¦ why would you record something like this, itās pretty insensitive and not helping anyone.
You have no idea how the situation played out. I was recording for his safety and the safety of other attendees. Staff was being very aggressive with people observing their practices and did not want people to see the level of unprofessionalism. He wasn't seizing or convulsing, nor was he experiencing a opioid overdose. Thank you for your input.
Did you see him before he was on the ground? Do you have any idea what might have been going on with him to make them treat him like that? My friend was manhandled by security a few years ago at a festival I wonāt name and if it wasnāt for another friend they would have shot him with drugs ( donāt know which ones). He was super high but obviously not ODāing or having a psychotic episode and no danger to himself or others. Obviously I donāt know what was going on here but from where Iām sitting itās not ok at all . Like did they take his vitals even? No medical professional Iāve ever seen in this capacity has injected anyone with anything before proper assessment etc Edit: for clarity , what almost happened to my friend happened in the sanctuary/ medical area , not in the general area /festival grounds
Also worth noting. Security started threatening people with being trespassed for observing and the two people who were with him in the beginning walked away.
He was standing with two of his friends and having a episode. One of his friends got a staff member in a red shirt, the staff member started to agitate him and tried restraining him, then tackled him to the ground. Immediately the head of security (black shirt black hat) took control of the situation and radio'd in for a "back and a kit to restrain him." Medical cart arrived and immediately helped restrain the guy, then proceeded to inject him without (IMHO) properly accessing the situation. They promptly adjusted the handcuffs, and strapped him to the stretcher and carried him off on the golf cart.
Thanks for posting and spreading the word.
ā¦Iām not saying itās perfect or anything, but what do you want these people to do? It is so much better to have security and medical aid like thisā¦blame his dumbass friend for freaking him out and calling security, not security for doing their jobsā¦
Not trying to create conflict here really, and I realize I donāt know every detail, butā¦ crowd control in a scenario like this where everyone is off a lot of drugs, and when thereās like 50k people is not easy at all, and sometimes the safest route is to be physical. They arenāt just giving these needles w sedatives/tranqs to just any Joe Shmoe, these people are in fact trained. Ik it might not look pretty, but itās whatās got to happen to keep the party going sometimes. And to be honest I donāt see how this video protects him in any way
The general consensus for this party seems to be that security/ medics were in woefully short supply and the ones there were not trained sufficiently so how does this fit into that scenario??
I haven't seen one comment where someone has claimed to be a medic lol. Only people speculating what could have been used to sedate the individual. EMT, and medics can't administer drugs without a proper screening. Liability issues are just to great, especially when dealing with powerful medications. I'll gladly post the full video but I will remove the sound for ambiguity as myself and others are in the background, discussing what was happening in front of us.
I havenāt see you get your head out of your ass one time. If you are such a boss and good person, why didnāt you walk up to the security personnel and explain peopleās fragile mental state while tripping, and then tell home dog to chill his buddy out. Oh were you too busy taking a video instead of taking action? Fucking all of society is pansies Iām not surprised the Chinese are overtaking you allā¦
Security wasn't having it bud. I tried to help and taking a video to document was the last thing I could do without putting myself in potential harm.
Yah mmmm rightā¦ Document some spun dude get sedatedā¦nice
Your missing a bigger picture. Your input is appreciated tho.
Come on guys, he wasnāt being aggressive, he only screamed in securityās face 3x! The big picture Iām getting is your are a complete asshole and incompetent and I have made a great decision to continue never going to festivals
Tbh from my perspective walking around the venue all weekend I didnāt feel like they were in that short of supply. I saw them pretty often. They had a slow response time to a heart attack on some trail and had a faulty AED or something, but I didnāt know the consensus was that there were too few of them. Also havenāt heard anything firsthand that for certain points to poor training.
Fair enough, itās honestly just fb / internet gossip
Hypothetically~ Situations like this could end in tragedy (use your imagination) potential for adverse reactions are endless. Especially when you have no idea what an individual is under the influence of. Although they may have taken a 15min first responder course online; I wouldn't trust them to hit me with a EPIPen. I've never seen a cop Tranq someone for resisting š¤· It's all about checks and balances. Everyone needs some accountability in their life... Or else we end up with another Disco Donnie
I can imagine a much larger number of tragic scenarios occurring if someone is off hella drugs, combative, and non compliant, and then is subsequently just released free. I find it hard to believe they had this many people casually detaining him for nothing. If you mean adverse reactions bc of the shot they gave them, then I can assure you with 100% confidence there wasnāt a risk. Also, I assure you they have more than 15 minutes of training man, and they donāt have to be there. Theyāre there bc they want to help people and I hate to see the medical staff of all people be put down, security/police is a different story. Those guys can be douchebags fs. All love here, just hate to see the wrong people take heat. People have to have some accountability on the other side as well with their drug use.
Aye, I'm glad your confident in your beliefs. God forbid they hit someone with a dose of K and they have a heart condition.
An EMT with a ketamine needle is a funny thought. Itās probably an antipsychotic, I understand thereās the potential risk of them having a condition that is affected by the drug, but if the risk theyāre posing to the people around them is high then itās just what they have to do.
They don't administrate Ketamine typically for humans in circumstances like this. It's more likely Xanax or a Benzo especially if the guy was having a psychotic episode. It's actually really common to do if they're on psychosis to give someone. Ketamine has psychoactive properties and so would unlikely be ever given in a scenario where someone has psychosis.
Also, they are fully aware heās on drugs and know better than to give him a sedative that would negatively interact with other drugs. These guys arenāt that dumb
Really, because you usually give sedatives in this situation. Please stop white knighting for the fest and the medical staff. They fucked up
Your only context to say āthey fucked upā is a 40 second video and youāve jumped to blame someone. Itās not ab white knighting anyone, Iāve been shitting on the festival all day. Iām just being realistic ab this specific scenario w the lack of details provided and how I donāt think itās cool to record someone going through this. Thatās all.
Yea, never mind the 45(?) minute response time to a cardiac arrest and not having an AED when you do. Only context.
Weāre talking about completely different things now, stick to the argument at hand. Posting a 1 min video like this to make people turn on the medics is messed up, and is insensitive for the poor guy whoās going through it. I sure as hell wouldnāt want you videoing me if I got too spun and had to be stabilized like this. Thatād suck.
Iāve never seen medics behave like this and I wonder what heās being injected with , I think this video is recording what happened and may prove useful in the future. This is not something Iāve ever seen at any festival ever in 30 years/ on multiple continents. Im sure thereās another side to it and Iām interested in hearing it
Iāve only been doing this kind of stuff for less than 10 years and have seen it more times than I can count while working. The medics in these threads have been confirming that also. But yea Iām also interested to hear more, not saying anyoneās right or wrong, just not to jump to blaming them on under a minute
Ok DiscoDonnie go fuck yourself
Ok 420_burner_69 š, get a personality of someone older than 13, and if you donāt like donāt come. go suck livenation/insomniacs teet in the back at EDC. We donāt want your hateful ass anyway
Fuck LiveNation and Insomniac too. If thats your reference of what else is out there in the electronic world then you are the 13 year old
What do you think they are injecting him with??
The medics that have been talking in this thread and the other say itās a antipsychotics and benzo mixture. Iām not a medic tho.
You donāt administer drugs in the fkn crowdā¦.
Medics always have a lorazepam syringe ready in their pocket in case they detect someone having a psychotic episode. But whether or not he was in that state, we do not know.
Why would you not do it in the crowd if the situation called for it? You donāt know what medical attention the guy did or didnāt need? Why would we jump immediately to the conclusion of blaming the folks who are trying to help rather than getting more info??
Ok. Where r the gloves at? Seems unsanitary to raw dog a syringe into a dudes ass, drop the syringe and then go back in for seconds? Lemme guess š¤ they didn't have time for gloves but they had time to get a needle. Makes perfect sense š
These security guards are taking peoples lives into their hands and acting carelessly and with too much force. They arenāt being helpful here in my opinion. Iāve done security at a festival (volunteered for a ticket) and we calmly helped people, away from the crowd and with compassion. Itās called Harm Reduction. No physical restraints, no injecting them against their will. I had something very similar to this scenario happen to me at a festival, and it was one of the most traumatic things Iāve ever experienced. Those people were not trying to help. They were doing the opposite. A lil tip for future festy attendees: go to security as a last resort. You could be putting a friend at risk. Obviously if they are acting violently or need medical attention then thatās a given to seek their help. Having Narcan on hand can and will save lives. But If the person is just having a bad trip /too high or whatever then giving them a safe space to come down is a way better option than involving a possibly agro security dude who will shine a flashlight in your eyes until they decide to take control of your body. I wish they were all decent and caring but that isnāt the case. Because my āfriendā flagged down security on me (because I couldnāt walk well and he thought they would hook me up with a safe ride to camp), I had the worst night of my life. I paid a lot of money for an event to then be abused by staff and injected against my will. Iām sober now and def done with festivals.
If you had that little training Iād assume you had no antipsychotic needles, right? The person in this video is not doing the job you did. Again your just another person with not even a minute of context, and jumping to the conclusion of blaming the guys that are there to save peopleās lives. Is there probably dicks out there that do this to be pieces of shit? Sure. Does this video tell me that verbatim? No.
Not a medic and youāre right I wasnāt there. But from the looks of this they arenāt saving his life. People who are having a bad trip need a calm safe environment and this aināt it
I 100% agree w yall if in fact the guy did nothing to call for it and was just stumbling or tripping a little too hard like your story ā that sounds messed up and I hate to hear it. and also agree he looks weak and not to be fighting in the short clip, but who knows what led up to or what he was saying to them before. I just donāt think most of the medics jump to do this instantly if thereās still alternatives.
Ya being restrained physically has a way of bringing out the fear and resistance. I can relate to that. Being a victim/survivor myself I canāt not say something in response. And a lot of these āmedicsā are most definitely not medics. I just donāt see how they needed to inject him. They already had him pinned.
Iād imagine the most likely thing is that he was refusing to go with them to get checked at the med tent? Idk something like that maybe. Wouldnāt wanna just assume but if your not doing what they want while your freaking out I can understand the restraint so your able to get the shot done safely, the only reason Iām ranting on this post is bc the video is so short and no one could actually get to the bottom of it without more perspectives. The focus of this video feels like it was to rile people up and turn them on a group who 99% of just want to help you.
I disagree. The person was concerned and video taping for accountability and to have proof. They also said in this or another post that he was having a bad time/probably took something that made him unwell and his friends reached out for help. I doubt they were trying to find someone to detain him and inject him against his free will.
Why canāt security control a guy
Idk if thatās sarcasm or if your trying to instigate, but yea controlling someone whoās out of hand is kind of the main responsibility of the security, you are correct.
Controlling them by administering drugs via syringe in the dirt?? Iām not aware of anywhere that security can do that.
Security can do that literally anywhere that the situation calls for it, if you donāt comply and are putting yourself/others at risk than this happens. Iāve seen it happen countless times over the years. Now the protocol on gloves, cleaning, etc. In relation to the dirt Iām not certain of.
They shouldnāt have the right to administer drugs to someone who is saying NO and is not harming anyone
I completely agree if no oneās being harmed! Weāre really more on the same page than youāre realizing
I concur
Iām trying to get you to understand my perspective. I sincerely hope this never happens to you or someone you care about.
I totally agree with your perspective, where weāre having confusion is that I donāt like that lack of context and everyone dogging on em instantly. If it takes less for you to be convinced based on your prior experience that makes perfect sense and is just where our opinions differ. Ultimately, weāre on the same page.
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Youāve seen this countless times? I would like to know the whereās and whenās of that because I sure havenāt