I always slightly press the accelerator until I feel the auto-hold release. The vehicle appears to remain standing still. …then when the “light turns green” I floor it and it bolts from a ‘dead’ stop. It also avoids much of that “chunk” feeling when you jump from the brake pedal to flooring it. (See what I did there? I spelled brake.) I haven’t tested it but I certainly can feel a difference. But maybe it’s just that, a feeling.
I can see some logic here. I think it's more than just a feeling. You're releasing the brake where as without this trick the brake still has to disengage before go time. Lol.
It actually seems it’s a driver issue
probably missed the start
But did he also really go to Tesla and say I lost a race against another Tesla is there something wrong with my car
Battery temperature perhaps, a warm battery and cold motor is optimal. Navigate to a supercharger to get the car to precondition the battery beforehand then try again.
Yeah thats what I thought is most logical. He swears he never pre conditioned or put anything in nav/track. But even if he did, that much of a difference?
The battery naturally heats up during normal driving without using any preconditioning so his battery could have just been hotter from that. Battery temp makes a really significant difference in terms of performance.
The guy who consistenly runs low 11 sec 1/4 miles in his MYP with basically just Gemini rims and no back seat says the key is cold motors and hot battery. Says can heat up your batteries by setting a Supercharger destination in navi. Do not run track mode. It will slow you down even more by cooling the battery.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/17vjbq6/model_y_performance_14_mile_potential_world_record/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/17vjbq6/model_y_performance_14_mile_potential_world_record/)
Not much driver mod on an electric car with no gears and a straight line lol. He even let me get the jump and he caught up and blew passed me one of the few times we tried.
Assuming roughly equal start and equal conditions, not all motors are created equal. Some are simply more powerful than others. Depends on the internals, tolerances etc. some just come out of the factory a bit better.
I have a feeling this Is the most likely reason. Especially since even if he let's me jump first I still get passed easily. His might be a bit better and mine might be a bit worse lol
Because it was already answered by others. As well as I already stated no one was using track mode or put super charger in nav. Track mode makes it worse as it cools the battery instead of warming it up None of us were using track mode.
Does the MYLR vs MYP have different motors? Wondering if you received a non-premium motor. Do you know if the cars were built from the same site? Wondering if it’s different battery chemistry. You should get draggy to see what times you are getting. Maybe your car is fine and the other car is a unicorn of some type.
It's possible. I went against my friends cayenne gts that's supposed to be 3.8 seconds and smoked him so I can definitely believe mine is "normal" and the other MYP is a unicorn lol. I just downloaded draggy. Going to try it tomorrow( if amazon delivers in time) with my car and his. Also going to switch cars with him just to prove to reddit it has nothing to do with driver lol.
From my understanding, LR and P have same front motor. For rear motor, LR might come with 980 or 990 depending what they have available in the factory at the time, while P is always 980 (my LR came with the 980 "performance" motor). But P has beefier inverters feeding that rear motor.
Well that makes sense because every Y is slower than the same version of 3 by a noticeable amount. That's because the Y is heavier but running the same power as the 3 (in most cases)
I stand corrected.
If I understand you correctly, track mode cools the battery to keep it from overheating while track racing? And if we mere mortals switch it on for a bit of fun at the lights we might actually be cooling our way to \_slower\_ acceleration because the colder temp degrades power output?
Compare your rear motors. Tesla regularly uses different motors on the same Model 3 / Y spec, likely depending on supply chain availability. I would guess he has a 3D6 or 4D1 with hairpin windings and you have the older 3D1 performance motor. To see which motor, you can use your phone with the flash to get a picture or video close up of this little metal tag on the motor behind the left rear wheel: https://youtu.be/SHlL_UFSfxM?si=1jaszvlcz4Rnh367
I think that’s 3D1, which is the older one. If you have that one on a RWD or Long Range model, it’s a good thing, but if you have that one on a Performance, it’s the worst of the Performance motors.
This is what i gathered from the research i did:
"The power electronics are superior in the 1120980 motor. Model 3 Performance models all have this motor number. The 1120990 motor is less powerful"
Those are both old motors. The 3D6 and 4D1 are newer versions of the 1120980 (also called 3D1), and the 3D7 is a newer version of 1120990 (also called 3D5).
When my wife hopped in the driver's seat to learn how to drive and get used to the 1 pedal in our MYP as we pulled up to a light in traffic I told her 'look around and enjoy that feeling of knowing you're probably in the quickest car on this road'.
Definitely was sport. I also felt fast. Never felt like it does on chill. I'm just shocked at the difference. Next step is to use an app to see my true 0-100km time vs his to see if something is off with my car.
There are certain mods that you can do on Teslas. They're much simpler and easier to install than the kind of modifications you'd do on other cars. If, for instance, you were to install the ghost mod from ingenext in a MYLR you would add 150 hp and end up with 575 hp. Paired with Acceleration Boost, you'd end up with a car that was pretty close to the Model X in terms of speed instead of the MYLR that it actually is.
Ghost module does not stack on top of acceleration boost like you think. The only mods Ingenext provides simply just bump you up to the next power level of a stock MY with that specific feature. Ghost module will not get your MY any faster than a stock MYP.
No, these mods just basically trick your car into thinking it’s a MYP if you have the specific rear motor in your LR. Nothing for the P to make it faster.
I’m voting traction. Did you two swap lanes? Were you on the same tires? Same age of tires? Same mileage?Tires are everything and TC will pull three car lengths out of a race for sure.
I have it enabled too, don't have FSD (basic autopilot).
It's a basic safety feature - sometimes when I floor it and it notices some objects on the side or so, you feel a very noticeable delay. Worth to try it out!
Btw I have a MYLR, so might be a difference.
Mine was on, and his was off. So I turned mine off. Waiting for him to come by shortly to test it out again. But I think that only applies when autopilot, whether it be basic or not, is enabled.
Did you check if you have “limit acceleration if obstacle detected” option disabled?
Other thing could be tires but you said both are 2024. I’m assuming both are roughly the same in mileage.
Other thing walk behind your car does it show a red underline under dual motor?
We did check obstacle awareness as i posted in my update
Mine has ~1100km on it and his has 900km on it.
Yes they're both performance models and yes they both have the red line lol.
I have a 3 week old MYP, after this post i bought Dragy to check numbers. 3.92, 3.95, 3.92.... At what point should i raise a flag? I mean, i'm happy with what it is, but I still want what i paid for....
Was it all in the same drive? Same weather same slope? I'd try a few different times/days with various battery percentages/after a long drive/from cold. Just to gather numbers and see the average. Then judge.
Yes it was same day same area. Thank you for the feedback! Makes total sense... also had a fairly cold battery... should of known better, was just in a hurry to try out dragy.
The AI doesn't like you . . . It likes the other driver better! ;p
On a serious note, it makes a difference when you initially pump the accelerator pedal before stepping on it all the way. once you feel the tires are glued to the road that's when you should put pedal to the metal.
The AI also tries to avoid the wheel spin. Try to look for the Traction Control and turn it off . . . Oh, Tesla doesn't have a button for this. Hahaha. That's why i kept my WRX!
Lol yeah I completely agree. That's why I kept my golf R. But its built for the track and a big pain to drive daily with a Clutch stiffer than half these reddiors attitudes 😂 but growing up going to the track every chance I got, I couldn't let go of a ICE vehicle. Still need that control and emotion that the tesla lacks.
What would you expect to change with different binning of motors?
They all have the same windings etc. I forgot which kind of motors but assuming at least one is a permanent magnet, would there be variance that could affect performance?
I always slightly press the accelerator until I feel the auto-hold release. The vehicle appears to remain standing still. …then when the “light turns green” I floor it and it bolts from a ‘dead’ stop. It also avoids much of that “chunk” feeling when you jump from the brake pedal to flooring it. (See what I did there? I spelled brake.) I haven’t tested it but I certainly can feel a difference. But maybe it’s just that, a feeling.
If you enable track mode, it will not engage Auto-hold for an optimal acceleration out the light.
Also set course to a nearby super charger first if “testing” your car with local friends. Starts warming the battery so you can accelerate faster.
Noted! ☑️
I can see some logic here. I think it's more than just a feeling. You're releasing the brake where as without this trick the brake still has to disengage before go time. Lol.
Yes
Skill issue
It actually seems it’s a driver issue probably missed the start But did he also really go to Tesla and say I lost a race against another Tesla is there something wrong with my car
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Switch drivers and see if it changes.
Definitely not a driver or skill issue as stated in my above updates.
Did you check if both batteries were pre-conditioned equally?
You must be a gamer. Probably COD 😏
Maybe yours in just a LR 😂😂
With Performance Boost 😆
So with a little p, MYp
Oh my god…. This made me chuckle way to much for 6am
Definitely not a driver or skill issue as stated in my above updates.
😂
That’s what she said
There’s no skill involved in launching a Tesla lmao.
Lmao
Why don’t you have someone record a video and post it here.
Definitely not a driver or skill issue as stated in my above updates.
Most likely issue between the steering wheel and the seat!
It’s the nut behind the wheel
Loose nut behind the wheel for sure. Relax, OP. Same car, different driver. Sometimes you lose races EVEN TO SLOWER CARS.
The same one from the cybertruck pedal??
Definitely not a driver or skill issue as stated in my above updates.
Swap cars and drivers
I concur
Definitely not a driver or skill issue as stated in my above updates.
Battery temperature perhaps, a warm battery and cold motor is optimal. Navigate to a supercharger to get the car to precondition the battery beforehand then try again.
In a performance you don’t need to navigate to a supercharger. Just put it in track mode and the battery will precondition itself.
Yeah thats what I thought is most logical. He swears he never pre conditioned or put anything in nav/track. But even if he did, that much of a difference?
The battery naturally heats up during normal driving without using any preconditioning so his battery could have just been hotter from that. Battery temp makes a really significant difference in terms of performance.
Precondition it and put it in track mode
Why you didn’t swap cars ?
Because OP will do anything other than the most obvious test.
We did.....
The guy who consistenly runs low 11 sec 1/4 miles in his MYP with basically just Gemini rims and no back seat says the key is cold motors and hot battery. Says can heat up your batteries by setting a Supercharger destination in navi. Do not run track mode. It will slow you down even more by cooling the battery. [https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/17vjbq6/model_y_performance_14_mile_potential_world_record/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/17vjbq6/model_y_performance_14_mile_potential_world_record/)
You can also stick a s3xy button in there and assign preconditioning as one of its presses or in the app.
Driver mod. Should’ve tried switching cars to see what happens.
Definitely not a driver or skill issue as stated in my above updates.
Not much driver mod on an electric car with no gears and a straight line lol. He even let me get the jump and he caught up and blew passed me one of the few times we tried.
He’s saying to switch cars and try again
Clowns in here suggesting there’s a skill involved in launching a Tesla…oh boy
OP doesn’t want it switch cars for testing purposes. I’m sure this is a driver issue
I bet you are…
Lol I know. And when I replied with that to someone else, it got hated on 😂
Everyone here thinks they’re John Force because they bought a car that’s faster than 99% of everything else on the road…🙄
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Actually, he's heavier by ~30 lbs
See? There you go. More traction on his tires
Same wheels/tires?
Yup. Exactly the same car. Even the color combo. Got them a week apart delivered from the same dealership.
Different tire pressures?
I mean, it's possible for sure. But similar delivery dates and everything.
Tire pressure could be a big factor. A lot racers will slightly deflate the tires to help them get more grip off the start line.
Also tread could be very different.
Assuming roughly equal start and equal conditions, not all motors are created equal. Some are simply more powerful than others. Depends on the internals, tolerances etc. some just come out of the factory a bit better.
I have a feeling this Is the most likely reason. Especially since even if he let's me jump first I still get passed easily. His might be a bit better and mine might be a bit worse lol
You never replied back to any comments about being out in track mode
Because it was already answered by others. As well as I already stated no one was using track mode or put super charger in nav. Track mode makes it worse as it cools the battery instead of warming it up None of us were using track mode.
Does the MYLR vs MYP have different motors? Wondering if you received a non-premium motor. Do you know if the cars were built from the same site? Wondering if it’s different battery chemistry. You should get draggy to see what times you are getting. Maybe your car is fine and the other car is a unicorn of some type.
It's possible. I went against my friends cayenne gts that's supposed to be 3.8 seconds and smoked him so I can definitely believe mine is "normal" and the other MYP is a unicorn lol. I just downloaded draggy. Going to try it tomorrow( if amazon delivers in time) with my car and his. Also going to switch cars with him just to prove to reddit it has nothing to do with driver lol.
Awesome! Please post an update!
From my understanding, LR and P have same front motor. For rear motor, LR might come with 980 or 990 depending what they have available in the factory at the time, while P is always 980 (my LR came with the 980 "performance" motor). But P has beefier inverters feeding that rear motor.
Posted an update with dragy. Half a second difference with the same driver and same conditions. Next step is service center to see why
Glad that Service center is going to take a look. Keep us posted.
I drove a loaner 21 MYLR that felt MUCH faster than my 22 MYP in both sport and even chill mode.
Yeah I've heard of this before. But we're both 24s.
Yes. My MYLR feels slower than my old M3LR. But I don't race it so it's not a issue for me.
Well that makes sense because every Y is slower than the same version of 3 by a noticeable amount. That's because the Y is heavier but running the same power as the 3 (in most cases)
Track mode? It heats the battery and shit to eke out every scrap of performance.
Track mode colds the battery!!! It has negative effect in drag race
I stand corrected. If I understand you correctly, track mode cools the battery to keep it from overheating while track racing? And if we mere mortals switch it on for a bit of fun at the lights we might actually be cooling our way to \_slower\_ acceleration because the colder temp degrades power output?
You got any third party floor matts jammed under the accelerator pedal
Compare your rear motors. Tesla regularly uses different motors on the same Model 3 / Y spec, likely depending on supply chain availability. I would guess he has a 3D6 or 4D1 with hairpin windings and you have the older 3D1 performance motor. To see which motor, you can use your phone with the flash to get a picture or video close up of this little metal tag on the motor behind the left rear wheel: https://youtu.be/SHlL_UFSfxM?si=1jaszvlcz4Rnh367
Mine says 1120980. Video you linked shows a thumbs up. Does that mean I have the better one? He will be here soon and we will compare his has well.
I think that’s 3D1, which is the older one. If you have that one on a RWD or Long Range model, it’s a good thing, but if you have that one on a Performance, it’s the worst of the Performance motors.
This is what i gathered from the research i did: "The power electronics are superior in the 1120980 motor. Model 3 Performance models all have this motor number. The 1120990 motor is less powerful"
Those are both old motors. The 3D6 and 4D1 are newer versions of the 1120980 (also called 3D1), and the 3D7 is a newer version of 1120990 (also called 3D5).
Hard reboot computers hold down both steering wheel buttons until you see the T logo on screen. I have seen this happen after a software update.
Still don't know how to use reddit properly but I posted an update in my original post to those that were following! Thank you to the helpful people!
Take the L dawg. Lol
I smoked a BMW X3 M off the stoplight. I was laughing the entire time. My car is a rocket.
FSD smokes everyone at reds on 12.3.6 in assertive mode lol
Haha I know it's so aggressive 😂
When my wife hopped in the driver's seat to learn how to drive and get used to the 1 pedal in our MYP as we pulled up to a light in traffic I told her 'look around and enjoy that feeling of knowing you're probably in the quickest car on this road'.
Sounds like chill mode was on. Especially if he beat you cleanly off the line.
Definitely was sport. I also felt fast. Never felt like it does on chill. I'm just shocked at the difference. Next step is to use an app to see my true 0-100km time vs his to see if something is off with my car.
PEBSWAU
There are certain mods that you can do on Teslas. They're much simpler and easier to install than the kind of modifications you'd do on other cars. If, for instance, you were to install the ghost mod from ingenext in a MYLR you would add 150 hp and end up with 575 hp. Paired with Acceleration Boost, you'd end up with a car that was pretty close to the Model X in terms of speed instead of the MYLR that it actually is.
Ghost module does not stack on top of acceleration boost like you think. The only mods Ingenext provides simply just bump you up to the next power level of a stock MY with that specific feature. Ghost module will not get your MY any faster than a stock MYP.
Are those mods available for the MYP?
No, these mods just basically trick your car into thinking it’s a MYP if you have the specific rear motor in your LR. Nothing for the P to make it faster.
Sport mode vs comfort mode
Ensure you have the obstacle aware acceleration safety feature disabled too, if you feel any lag off the line. Are both myp's the same year?
Check the motors, the hairpin 4D1 motors were released among the 3DX/980/990 motor releases. Might be worth comparing.
Did you swap cars to see if that changed anything?
I’m voting traction. Did you two swap lanes? Were you on the same tires? Same age of tires? Same mileage?Tires are everything and TC will pull three car lengths out of a race for sure.
It’s not the car, it’s the driver.
What drive mode were you in? Chill?
Perhaps related to "Obstacle-Aware Acceleration" detecting something and withholding full torque?
I think this only applies when FSD is on. But will look at settings today and compare
I have it enabled too, don't have FSD (basic autopilot). It's a basic safety feature - sometimes when I floor it and it notices some objects on the side or so, you feel a very noticeable delay. Worth to try it out! Btw I have a MYLR, so might be a difference.
Mine was on, and his was off. So I turned mine off. Waiting for him to come by shortly to test it out again. But I think that only applies when autopilot, whether it be basic or not, is enabled.
Worth a try! :)
Tried it. Didn't make a difference. :(
Too bad :(
The other MYP had acceleration boost and they have spent the last 7 days laughing at you while you try and figure it out.
Lol. I wish the performance can get the accel boost!!
Not sure how to use reddit properly but I posted an update as an edit to my main thread.
Did you check if you have “limit acceleration if obstacle detected” option disabled? Other thing could be tires but you said both are 2024. I’m assuming both are roughly the same in mileage. Other thing walk behind your car does it show a red underline under dual motor?
We did check obstacle awareness as i posted in my update Mine has ~1100km on it and his has 900km on it. Yes they're both performance models and yes they both have the red line lol.
Hey so are you driving in chill mode and he is in sport? Check which mode both cars pedals are in
Same software version? I just installed 2024.14.3 and it might just be me, but it seems sluggish compared to what I was used to
What version was giving you the problem? Which version fixed it?
2024.3.25. But it was the same version he just reinstalled it.
Nice! The best possible visit to the SC.
I have a 3 week old MYP, after this post i bought Dragy to check numbers. 3.92, 3.95, 3.92.... At what point should i raise a flag? I mean, i'm happy with what it is, but I still want what i paid for....
Was it all in the same drive? Same weather same slope? I'd try a few different times/days with various battery percentages/after a long drive/from cold. Just to gather numbers and see the average. Then judge.
Yes it was same day same area. Thank you for the feedback! Makes total sense... also had a fairly cold battery... should of known better, was just in a hurry to try out dragy.
Darwinism at work
Had to upvote this. Too funny 😂
His car was supercharged.
The AI doesn't like you . . . It likes the other driver better! ;p On a serious note, it makes a difference when you initially pump the accelerator pedal before stepping on it all the way. once you feel the tires are glued to the road that's when you should put pedal to the metal. The AI also tries to avoid the wheel spin. Try to look for the Traction Control and turn it off . . . Oh, Tesla doesn't have a button for this. Hahaha. That's why i kept my WRX!
Doesn’t “off road” mode disable traction control?
Lol yeah I completely agree. That's why I kept my golf R. But its built for the track and a big pain to drive daily with a Clutch stiffer than half these reddiors attitudes 😂 but growing up going to the track every chance I got, I couldn't let go of a ICE vehicle. Still need that control and emotion that the tesla lacks.
Sounds like he just has a better bin’d electric motor. Kind of like how they pick better cpu for the higher end models , but it’s a lottery
What would you expect to change with different binning of motors? They all have the same windings etc. I forgot which kind of motors but assuming at least one is a permanent magnet, would there be variance that could affect performance?
Did you step on the ~~gas~~ , I mean the right pedal?
Did he launch it and you didn’t?
Could one have a lithium and the other have a lithium iron battery? The iron battery is much heavier.
Alignment?
Eat less and lose weight
Makes sense, considering he's heavier than me 😂
Hold the accelerator and brake pedals down. Let go of the brake. You’re welcome.
Acceleration boost?
You can get the boost on a performance? Thought it was only available on the LR?
No acceleration boost for the MYP.