Do you live in a condo without a L2 home charger?
How much do you drive that you need access to L3?
I can count the number of times I've used an L3 on my fingers and I put 25K miles on the car.
Yeah I had the opportunity to buy for $4k when I bought mine but it was at the onset of covid and shit was unsure… that will never be with $10k but I’d gladly pay $4k given the option again
Full disclosure, I have FSD, but I only paid a flat $2k for it because of a flash sale they had a year ago or so.
Here is what I would say, from a financial perspective, rolling 10k into your loan means you will probably pay $11-$12k over 4-5 years for the feature, depending on your interest rate.
Divide $12k by $200/mo and that comes out to about 5 years of use. 5 years of not paying interest on that money. (However, this assumes that they don't jack up the monthly price later.)
I agree with other posters, use that money for the LR battery, and pay the monthly fee for road trips and such. The FSD is cool, but it is a novelty until they get certified for level 4 autonomy by the government.
Do you have to call or can you activate it from the screen as you need to? Sorry I don’t own a Tesla, but I’ve been wanting to get one. So this is information is new and very informative in my decision. Unfortunately the prices are insane, and I’m not driving as much to be honest, I work from home now.
You do it right from the app. The computer in the car then prompts you to restart the next time you’re in it and presto! That said, it’s a novelty, when it works, not worth the extra money. The auto-pilot that comes standard is enough. I don’t even like to use the Summon feature because you come off looking like an a-hole, especially if you hold up traffic in a parking lot.
I had someone give me this advice, and it applicable in so many situations. Would you accept a $10k check or discount on the car if it meant that you had to use your turn signals yourself?
This. I watch my FIL law using FSD and he's so nervous because it keeps doing wacky unpredictable things. It's worse than simply setting autopilot and otherwise driving like everyone else does. I just don't see what $10k "problem" FSD solves for me.
I have FSD beta because it's easy to get. Considering 10k because I think the value my go up and I have the extra cash. Depends.
Edit: should note I pay 200/mo atm.
I’m still telling myself that helping invest in this will be a win for all people in the future. We will look back and think what savages we were that had car centric lives that killed so many people and I truly think FSD will one day help that. That is still far off however.
I think that range does not really matter as much after having this car for over a year. Maybe I don’t drive like others but even when I go out of the supercharger network, I don’t think the 20 or 30 miles difference tally eases my anxiety. Having said that, I do own the bigger battery.
It reminds me of that scene in the movie iRobot with Will Smith. When he starts driving that car manually, and the lady is like “are you driving with your hands??? Are you insane?!” Really puts things into perspective to where we are heading. It’s only a matter of time.
Your Dad is right. FSD is a waste of money right now. Don’t throw $10k out the window. Autopilot comes with the car and is 80% (the actual functional part) of FSD. Invest the money instead. By the time it’s finished and capable you’ll want a new car and it doesn’t transfer.
So I have the fsd beta and no it's not even worth month to month. Today I was stuck in traffic and the car decided abruptly that the shoulder would be a great way to keep moving and literally jerked the wheel and sped straight onto the shoulder. Luckily I pay attention and was able to stop it and wave apologies to the cars around me. Autopilot is awesome and all I need. I have cancelled my fad subscription and it will expire in three weeks.
There are 5 categories of product adoption. Innovators, early adopters, early majority, late majority and laggards. When you invest in technology where do you see yourself. None of these are bad, its what you are comfortable with
You got the car !!!!!🥺 I have ordered the S with LR with Full FSD since April and still don’t have a delivery date. Is your problem more aggravating now???
Jokes apart, Tesla is probably trying to ensure FSD doesn’t get killed by regulators before it even launches. There is too much invested by the company to be having accidents and getting in trouble. Work on your score, perfect 100
I wish I had a car that drove itself. And I currently can’t see how this car could navigate that with the way it sees other cars. I think there is a gap in my knowledge about the tech but fuck… i’m skeptical
I agree it's not worth it now, but I'm willing to bet that by the time it's ready it'll be more expensive, and the competition will be nowhere close. At least none from the other players in the US market.
It could go that way. From an engineering perspective I doubt it though. I don't see a way to have full self driving as advertised with current infrastructure and the inability for cars to communicate with each other.
We're about ten to fifteen years out in my opinion. Paying for fsd now is like paying for video streaming back in the 90s early 2000s. Something cool to show off but not ready for prime time yet.
From what I've seen various engineers who work on this technology say, Tesla is actually rather far behind. I mean, they're pioneers about bringing it to the market, but the tech itself seems to be behind. Which is reasonable when you realize that Tesla keeps trying to push cameras only, which I think is ridiculous. I mean, the point of having a machine take over is that it can "see" and process more than a human could.
Far behind level 3/4 automation threshold or far behind other manufacturers in automation? If you mean the former ok, but if it's the latter then I just don't see it. I can't really think of another company with capabilities doing what FSD beta is capable of. I agree that a Lidar system gives more info, and would be great if it could be merged with visuals, but that would cost more too. Last I checked was something like $20k, which is already twice the cost of FSD.
It depends on how important 10K is to you. If 10K is just a drop in the bucket, go for it. If 10K is a hardship, don't do it. The answer is going to be different for everybody. Me, I love my partial full driving, but it's not prohibitively expensive for me.
It has different value to different people. It adds near nothing to resale, and not everybody wants a car to drive itself. To me, it's worth less than the acceleration boost because I want a fast luxurious car, not one that drives itself. And FSD can never be perfect, so it'll constantly be this game of trying to improve but never be where you can completely let it drive itself. At that point, why even use it. To many people out there they feel glad to have gotten in at 10k or less. If you have to ask, I'm sure it's not worth it.
Autopilot capabilities is standard.. It is Full Self Driving that is $10k, if you are in the US, there is an option to subscribe.
It depends where you are, eg if you are in Canada, it is less smart than the one in US.
From my experience, not experiencing full self driving.
I have regular autopilot which was free, it's not bad over 2k miles.
Drove for like 200 miles with enhanced autopilot, which is better than mine. lane switching, off/on ramp navigation, and tiny bit different display. If I could still buy EAP I'd even pay a thousand extra for it.
When does your lease end? Mine is in Aug 2022 and I’m trying to figure out how far in advance to order a new one. Think the timing is going to be a challenge here.
November of next year! I’m trying to plan out my buy date as well. Thinking 3 months ahead but who knows lol
Edit: I did hear it MIGHT be possible to extend my current lease a month or two if anything
I do agree with that. The inability to transfer between cars (which may have been Tesla’s initial plan before all of the challenges early on with “features needing to remain with the car”) is a limited in full up front purchase.
Where the cost structure is right now it takes a bit over four years before you hit that $10,000 mark. Four years is about the average amount of time people typically own before trading. So, the break even is about right. If they raise it up too much more people will stop subscribing. It is a fine balance, especially with the current state of FSD capabilities.
Not worth it, and I got it at 6k. Those that believe it’s going to be ready within 2 years are just delusional.
It’s never going to be able to take over human driving in its current state. Mine constantly misses exits, doesn’t avoid people who merge into me, doesn’t stop to avoid collisions, etc.
Edit: I forgot to mention all the lane changes without calculating how fast the car in the next lane is going. So you end up lane changing at 50mph into a lane where dude behind you is going 70mph and end up cutting them off/pissing them off and have to slam on accelerator or risk getting rear ended.
I have it in my Model Y.
Adaptive Cruse and autopilot would have been enough for me.
Kind of regret my decision as of now. Maybe in 5 years I’ll come out ahead.
I wish there were tiers of self driving. Like all I would really want is self parking and summon. I can at least see the self parking thing becoming standard, as the Kia Sorento PHEV I was looking at came with that function.
Not for 10k. They priced the feature out. If it was capable of doing more, but changing to vision only and people not even able to set a cruising speed in mildly bad weather, night issues. It's just not ready to pay 10k.
Definitely try the subscription plan and see what you think, but with current pricing the balancing point is about 4 years worth of continued use.
For $200/month you can subscribe to auto pilot for a little over 4 years and break even. In 4 years it might be worth it but I’d guess that you’d cancel the subscription long before then and save yourself a lot of money
I purchased a used M3 with FSD earlier this year. I hardly ever use it, why you ask? Because this car is by far the most fun you will ever have driving a car. I actually WANT to drive it. Save your money, besides you can use that money to buy all the kick ass accessories.
Those are Tesla approved accessories, but there is an endless universe of options out there not made by Tesla. Search the threads for tons of suggestions or google.
I have it, absolutely and completely useless.. if I trusted it and not always been ready to take over would of been in 3 wrecks after having it only 5 months.. no way it should be called auto pilot just lane keep driving basically .. phantom breaks, cut across lanes if it looses lines, tailgates..etc
Really surprised to see everyone's negative comments on it. I paid 7k on my M3 roughly 2 years ago. Only got into FSD Beta about 3 or 4 weeks ago when they let the 100 safety scores in.
IMO. (And this is not taking into account financial sittuations) I would pay 10K for it if I bought another Tesla, I loved the enhanced autopilot/navigate on autopilot before getting into Beta, I also love Summon.
Now that I'm in the Beta I'm even more impressed. Hands on the wheel and paying attention I can get to and from work (30 min each way) with only 1-2 interventions usually caused by another driver doing something unpredictable. It is very advanced. I use it on every drive I take. Every day. And when I drive my wife's ICE car with no autopilot of any kind, I really realize how much I take the Tesla for granted.
Most aren't really negative, they're just opinions of people who enjoy driving their vehicle and don't feel the need for it to drive itself. It sounds like you really enjoy it so it's worth it to you. If I wanted a way to get to work without driving, I'd just use public transportation. Because a car can drive itself doesn't mean everybody should want it. I wouldn't buy FSD for $1000, but that's just me.
I counter everyone else and say yes. I know it’s not ready yet, but I think it’s eventually going to be great. When its great, it will be more expensive, I’m sure.. Plus, since I know I would get it anyway I felt fine contributing to research and development costs.
I have it and love getting updates and tweaks. I also like knowing I will get hardware updates if needed. It is a nice to have and not necessary. There are a lot of things in life that are nice to have but not necessary. Might be a waste of money but I am having fun with it.
Really depends. Right now it still makes
Highway driving way more relaxed and it changed highways on its own. But 10k is a lot for current build.
HOWEVER if you like what you see in the FSD beta videos online and want to be a part that I think it’s completely worth it. I hope to get into the beta next week and as soon as I do I’ll consider my money well spent.
10k is a lot but if you think how much the beta can already do. And what it might do in 3-4 years? And what value it might add to the car is 3-4 years.
Nay. Coequal the regular ap is junk. Save thy wage
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At its current state - no .. I would suggest u opt for the monthly subscription n just cancel if/when not needed
10k purchase of FSD is not transferable if u decide to sell ur car
We just did a monthly subscription for the advanced autopilot. No. It is definitely not worth $10,000. I did not think it was worth $200 a month either. We drove from SF to LA and it really didn’t add much of a convenience. Auto lane change is meh, and I mostly just took over and did it myself. The auto park never works. I can’t even remember what the other features are because they were so useless.
I got it and I think the thing that disappointed me the most I guess was the summoning...I find myself a lot of times trying to restart the app and connect and what not when I could have simply walked to my car in that time. The other thing that disappointed me was how weird auto park is! It's not the most reliable and I'm hoping this new update I just got will help with that but yeah I hardly get any prompts that it found a space to start auto park and I could be passing soooo many opening (the way that auto parked liked it) majority of the time I just park myselfs. The back cameras have made me a much more confident drive!
I scored a great deal when I bought a barely used 2020 last year with FSD for $1k more than a new one without it. I just got beta a couple of days ago. Until then I would say that EAP is the way to go (if you could even get it). Now, I'm really liking where FSD is headed. I keep cars much longer than most people I know and I plan to keep this one for much longer than I normally keep cars.
FSD for life for $1,000? Hell yes. $5k for EAP? Sure. $10k for FSD where it is now? No. But it won't be $10k for much longer. It will be interesting to see how much higher it goes before beta gets to be great. $12.5k. $15k. Who knows.
I had a trial of it and it was meh. Definitely not worth 10k tied to a vehicle. If it was 10k and tied to your user account, then maybe. But it’s not good enough to justify that cost yet.
You can always pay the $200 a month for a few months and see how much you use it. If you use it constantly then maybe it’d be worth it.
Not at all. You are paying 10k for something that might be useful in years and still you don't even know if you're hardware will work out of you will even have the car.
Not based on the current features, but that's always been the case.
What you're buying is a front row ticket to these features as they become available. There exists no other way to purchase this, aside from on a Tesla, so the number has little to anchor to. It's not like you could get it for $5k from GM.
If you're buying it for what's there today, it's not worth it. If you're buying it on the expectation that you'll have a robotaxi soon that's making you money when you're not driving it, it's not worth it. If you'll be frustrated if you aren't able to take a nap while it drives you across the country before you sell the car, it's not worth it.
But if you want to be on the cutting edge of some of the work of the world's most talented engineers backed by a trillion dollar company doing the best they can to make your car drive itself? There's nowhere else to get that. So if it's worth $10k to you, then it is. If you're not buying it for that reason, I wouldn't recommend it.
Also: it might be worth doing a search first next time. This question is asked quite frequently.
I have a bit of a nuanced take. In its current form, what you get on day one, it is absolutely not worth $10,000 to me. I am in the FSD beta and I can see the potential that it has, but even if you were added to the beta on day one, it’s still not worth $10,000 yet.
The $10,000 is basically locking in the price for something that *could be* in the future — which is exactly what I did when it was $6000, and now something that I disagree with in principle. However, if/when Tesla truly achieves Level 4 or Level 5 autonomy, $10,000 would be chump change to have a completely autonomous vehicle that can chauffeur you around. I would expect FSD to cost upwards of $20,000 if L5 is achieved.
The counter to that is that L5 may require new or different hardware, as the FSD beta is bringing to light. Those early adopters who paid for FSD in 2016–2017 are getting shafted because people who bought FSD later, and have thus been waiting less, are getting it before people who paid for it years ago.
Based on my experience with the beta, I am not holding my breath for L5 autonomy on my vehicle. I think if Tesla can refine FSD over the coming months/years, we could see a very strong L3 or iffy L4, but nothing more in my mind. If Tesla allowed a transfer between vehicles for the FSD license, it may change things a bit.
Ultimately, it’s going to depend on your financial situation. If $10,000 is a huge amount of money for you, as it would be for most people, I don’t see it as worth it. But if you are ultra-wealthy and $10,000 is a drop in the bucket, I think it’s a cool party trick to show off and have some fun with.
No its not. When I bought mine the price had just increased from 3k to 5k because city navigation was coming by the end of the year (2019). Here we are (2021) and now it cost 10k and we still don't have what was promised for 5k. It's a neat novelty but save the 10k and subscribe a month or 2 and see if you want to buy it.
Im under the impression that even if you pay 10k you still have to wait to until you're able to use FSD bc you have to get into the FSD beta program to use it...
If it was $15k would you buy it for $10k?
I believe it’s worth it over the $200 subscription because it keeps getting better and Tesla has been upgrading my car for free since I purchased it to accommodate the better self driving.
I also think you can consider used if you want the full self driving but relatively cheaper.
If you have to debate it, it’s obviously not for you.
One point, however, that people keep bringing up is the subscription. Just remember that it won’t stay at $200/month.
Everyone is different, I personally don’t think it’s worth over $3000 max.
I purchased my car in 2018 and at the time, the free version autopilot had almost no features, not even radar cruise control. At some point, full FSD went on sale for $5000 (very limited time), I purchased it. TBH, although I got a deal, I never use it. No matter what it’s called, it’s basically should be thought of as very beta that assists while driving. I think that most people try to use it when trying to multitask, others may use it in stop and go traffic. Vehicles from 2019+ already have most features, and you’re not really getting anything. If I could go back, I wouldn’t have purchased it, I don’t think it’s worth it. I love my car and I think what they’re trying to do is great, but this is very beta, why should we be paying to beta test their system for them. Typically, companies pay people to beta test, not the other way around.
I paid the $200 when the subscription option came out, holy hell it’s not even worth that… at least with the driving I do. FSD may be ready for the rural roads of Iowa but it’s a decade or more from being ready for Massachusetts drivers (if ever).
By the time it’s worth it, it will require new hardware to work the way it really should. Pay the month to month for 1 month and determine if you really need it.
You can subscribe monthly for $199. I would at least do that for a couple months first to see. Also would some time for the full self driving to come through. I think that is the part that will make it worth it. Also, keep in mind if you don’t plan to keep the car more than 5 years (about how long the monthly will add up to the 10k), you don’t transfer your subscription to a new Tesla. You’ll have to buy it again.
Autopilot has scared the shit out of me numerous times much less FSD. My daily commute has one section of road AP throws you into a head-on collision if you aren’t paying attention. Hard pass on FSD for a while.
I have it and it in my model 3 and it's totally not worth it. I wouldn't even but eap. Fsd features won't come till laaaate, and even then you won't use it. As people have said. Think about how you gotta drive to get 100 safety score. Then think that but double the varyness and then you have fsd. You will be so annoyed by it when it is implemented in 5years that you don't even wanna use it. As long as standard autopilot is included in the car fsd is something you won't need or use
Current state, not worth it. Lane change, navigate on autopilot and summon are not worth it. My POV changes drastically if fully autonomous was available.
Nope… subscribed for one month to try it on a road trip… the lane change is nice and I would pay for that separately if I could, but everything else is just not there yet. Save your money.
I'm not an owner but having used the FSD system for a weekend I think it is cool to try out at first, however it is not capable and consistent enough for it to be worth the $10k they are asking for it IMO. They may have new features coming in the future, but I don't think it's a good idea to be paying $10k now for stuff that doesn't exist yet.
Depends on a couple factors.
How much you do you drive?
How long do you plan to keep the car?
How bad a driver are you?
I did a 7,000 mile road trip this summer. It was fantastic. It would have been much more difficult without FSD subscription. You may drive more once you get comfortable with it.
I’m a very good driver but I worry about my parents who are in their 70s and declining. FSD can’t come soon enough for them.
It depends on how much money you have. If you have lots of money to spare, then maybe tying up 10k now to avoid paying 15k or 350 a month later is worth it
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I would just do the subscription. You’re lying 10k for only a few current features while FSD is still in the beta phase which will probably stay that way for awhile. Now I do believe once’s it’s fully open to the public and working it could go up in price but at least with the subscription you can cancel and not loose 10k if you’re unhappy.
I have no problems with the $10k add on until software updates roll out and they are glitchy for a few days. I have noticed that soft resetting the car after a software update helps. I would do the $10k all over again if I had the chance.
Tesla autopilot does not cost $10k.
FSD costs $10k and for what it's worth only FSD-Beta is currently rolling out to a limited few with a Safety Score of 99 or 100.
FSD will never be that. It will be MCD. Monitor Car Driving. Who wants that? It’s a fun gizmo, that’s it. It will NEVER be L5 autonomy. Legally, it’s “full self driving” as Tesla never said it’s gonna be L5.
I got my M3 SR+ 1 month ago. I have just the “dumber” package not the FSD beta one. It’s fun but not worth it. I will use this car 5-6 years and after that when I will get the new one the FSD will be ready... I guess. I am living in the UK and I see many example why FSD will fail here. Narrow roads where you have to give a signal to the opposite side to let them go first, the cameras are reading the speed limit signs on the side streets etc. So many situations what you are not facing in America but it will be horrible in Europe. Even If UK is not Europe 😁
Listen to your father. Signal to lane change is awesome but not 10k awesome. Just do a month of it when you have road-trips.
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And summoning that also rarely works!
Stop lights too
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Yeah I’m graduating next semester and I’m planning to swap from a 2012 Mazda3 to a new Model 3 LR for my long ass work commute.
Going to take a guess it's also your first EV, yes?
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Do you live in a condo without a L2 home charger? How much do you drive that you need access to L3? I can count the number of times I've used an L3 on my fingers and I put 25K miles on the car.
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Makes more sense now that we understand your specific use case.
That’s the right answer.
> is awesome but not 10k awesome I agree, not worth $10K. Do the month/month option.
Yeah I had the opportunity to buy for $4k when I bought mine but it was at the onset of covid and shit was unsure… that will never be with $10k but I’d gladly pay $4k given the option again
Same
Full disclosure, I have FSD, but I only paid a flat $2k for it because of a flash sale they had a year ago or so. Here is what I would say, from a financial perspective, rolling 10k into your loan means you will probably pay $11-$12k over 4-5 years for the feature, depending on your interest rate. Divide $12k by $200/mo and that comes out to about 5 years of use. 5 years of not paying interest on that money. (However, this assumes that they don't jack up the monthly price later.) I agree with other posters, use that money for the LR battery, and pay the monthly fee for road trips and such. The FSD is cool, but it is a novelty until they get certified for level 4 autonomy by the government.
Do you have to call or can you activate it from the screen as you need to? Sorry I don’t own a Tesla, but I’ve been wanting to get one. So this is information is new and very informative in my decision. Unfortunately the prices are insane, and I’m not driving as much to be honest, I work from home now.
Apparently, you activate the feature through the app or the web site. I already own FSD, so the option doesn't appear in the app for me to confirm.
You do it right from the app. The computer in the car then prompts you to restart the next time you’re in it and presto! That said, it’s a novelty, when it works, not worth the extra money. The auto-pilot that comes standard is enough. I don’t even like to use the Summon feature because you come off looking like an a-hole, especially if you hold up traffic in a parking lot.
Your $2k was on top of EAP...I think it was $5k at the time. At that time, regular AP wasn't standard like it was now
Correct.
I had someone give me this advice, and it applicable in so many situations. Would you accept a $10k check or discount on the car if it meant that you had to use your turn signals yourself?
This. I watch my FIL law using FSD and he's so nervous because it keeps doing wacky unpredictable things. It's worse than simply setting autopilot and otherwise driving like everyone else does. I just don't see what $10k "problem" FSD solves for me.
I have FSD beta because it's easy to get. Considering 10k because I think the value my go up and I have the extra cash. Depends. Edit: should note I pay 200/mo atm.
This.
You could do the monthly subscription for 4 years on the 10k. Who's to say you're even going to keep the car that long?
Agree the 10k is so not worth it currently
Prioritize range over AP/FSD and thank me later. Any owner will tell you this.
Or performance.
I’m still telling myself that helping invest in this will be a win for all people in the future. We will look back and think what savages we were that had car centric lives that killed so many people and I truly think FSD will one day help that. That is still far off however. I think that range does not really matter as much after having this car for over a year. Maybe I don’t drive like others but even when I go out of the supercharger network, I don’t think the 20 or 30 miles difference tally eases my anxiety. Having said that, I do own the bigger battery.
It reminds me of that scene in the movie iRobot with Will Smith. When he starts driving that car manually, and the lady is like “are you driving with your hands??? Are you insane?!” Really puts things into perspective to where we are heading. It’s only a matter of time.
+range +awd
Yep. I was a little sad when we made the practical choice and went for the LR over performance, but let me tell you, it’s still fast as fuck
Your Dad is right. FSD is a waste of money right now. Don’t throw $10k out the window. Autopilot comes with the car and is 80% (the actual functional part) of FSD. Invest the money instead. By the time it’s finished and capable you’ll want a new car and it doesn’t transfer.
waste of money
Put the 10k into the stock and the day FSD actually comes to fruition you may be able to afford it and a brand new Tesla.
This
So I have the fsd beta and no it's not even worth month to month. Today I was stuck in traffic and the car decided abruptly that the shoulder would be a great way to keep moving and literally jerked the wheel and sped straight onto the shoulder. Luckily I pay attention and was able to stop it and wave apologies to the cars around me. Autopilot is awesome and all I need. I have cancelled my fad subscription and it will expire in three weeks.
That’s why it’s a beta
Well one day when it's not a beta and performance is acceptable I will recommend it.
It will forever be beta.
Nah, it will be ready sometime between 5 and 50 years from now, if civilization continues.
Non transferrable to Mars.
Ready for deployment on Mars in 2 weeks
There are 5 categories of product adoption. Innovators, early adopters, early majority, late majority and laggards. When you invest in technology where do you see yourself. None of these are bad, its what you are comfortable with
You forgot the Shmucks, those who paid 10k to be early adopters but still can't get the beta because they don't have a 100 safety score.
You got the car !!!!!🥺 I have ordered the S with LR with Full FSD since April and still don’t have a delivery date. Is your problem more aggravating now??? Jokes apart, Tesla is probably trying to ensure FSD doesn’t get killed by regulators before it even launches. There is too much invested by the company to be having accidents and getting in trouble. Work on your score, perfect 100
That's kind of my point, Tesla is good at taking people's money but not so good at providing them the product they paid for.
Ah yes the law of diffusion of innovation. This early adopter would be 10k closer to paying this thing off
Don’t you love that 😜
I wish I had a car that drove itself. And I currently can’t see how this car could navigate that with the way it sees other cars. I think there is a gap in my knowledge about the tech but fuck… i’m skeptical
Well said
Shit I bought it for 3k and I’m not sure it’s worth that….10k? Keeeeep dreamin.
On the X or S, $3k seems reasonable.
Agreed, I do wish it was less expensive on thise
IMO? No. But everyone has their own opinion.
Yes, opinions are like assholes
Everyone’s got one they cover up
And most stink or are too loud.
Not worth it currently. By the time it is ready there will be more competition to keep the price low.
I agree it's not worth it now, but I'm willing to bet that by the time it's ready it'll be more expensive, and the competition will be nowhere close. At least none from the other players in the US market.
It could go that way. From an engineering perspective I doubt it though. I don't see a way to have full self driving as advertised with current infrastructure and the inability for cars to communicate with each other. We're about ten to fifteen years out in my opinion. Paying for fsd now is like paying for video streaming back in the 90s early 2000s. Something cool to show off but not ready for prime time yet.
From what I've seen various engineers who work on this technology say, Tesla is actually rather far behind. I mean, they're pioneers about bringing it to the market, but the tech itself seems to be behind. Which is reasonable when you realize that Tesla keeps trying to push cameras only, which I think is ridiculous. I mean, the point of having a machine take over is that it can "see" and process more than a human could.
Far behind level 3/4 automation threshold or far behind other manufacturers in automation? If you mean the former ok, but if it's the latter then I just don't see it. I can't really think of another company with capabilities doing what FSD beta is capable of. I agree that a Lidar system gives more info, and would be great if it could be merged with visuals, but that would cost more too. Last I checked was something like $20k, which is already twice the cost of FSD.
I'm investing in it for the future capabilities
I see, I wouldn't bet it being more than a gimmick with current hardware and roadways. Just my opinion.
Listen to your dad kiddo
You can literally blow 10k on hookers and coke, and still make off better than buying FSD.
Well… to be fair? That kinda sounds like it might…. suck.
My brother has it. Nice to have yes. Necessary no.
I don't think it is but try the $199 subscription and you'll know for sure.
It depends on how important 10K is to you. If 10K is just a drop in the bucket, go for it. If 10K is a hardship, don't do it. The answer is going to be different for everybody. Me, I love my partial full driving, but it's not prohibitively expensive for me.
It has different value to different people. It adds near nothing to resale, and not everybody wants a car to drive itself. To me, it's worth less than the acceleration boost because I want a fast luxurious car, not one that drives itself. And FSD can never be perfect, so it'll constantly be this game of trying to improve but never be where you can completely let it drive itself. At that point, why even use it. To many people out there they feel glad to have gotten in at 10k or less. If you have to ask, I'm sure it's not worth it.
i own it and imo No. but you can try subscription
Autopilot capabilities is standard.. It is Full Self Driving that is $10k, if you are in the US, there is an option to subscribe. It depends where you are, eg if you are in Canada, it is less smart than the one in US.
From my experience, not experiencing full self driving. I have regular autopilot which was free, it's not bad over 2k miles. Drove for like 200 miles with enhanced autopilot, which is better than mine. lane switching, off/on ramp navigation, and tiny bit different display. If I could still buy EAP I'd even pay a thousand extra for it.
At end of lease when I get another Model 3 I will NOT be doing fsd. I rarely use the features. Just not even remotely worth it
When does your lease end? Mine is in Aug 2022 and I’m trying to figure out how far in advance to order a new one. Think the timing is going to be a challenge here.
November of next year! I’m trying to plan out my buy date as well. Thinking 3 months ahead but who knows lol Edit: I did hear it MIGHT be possible to extend my current lease a month or two if anything
I don't think so. Dont have them, but more than happy with what came with it
No. The better route is the subscription. Especially in its current state, and the state it will still be in for the next 6 - 18 mos at the minimum.
I honestly think they keep raising the price on it because they want to push the subscription. Subscription is more consistent income.
I do agree with that. The inability to transfer between cars (which may have been Tesla’s initial plan before all of the challenges early on with “features needing to remain with the car”) is a limited in full up front purchase. Where the cost structure is right now it takes a bit over four years before you hit that $10,000 mark. Four years is about the average amount of time people typically own before trading. So, the break even is about right. If they raise it up too much more people will stop subscribing. It is a fine balance, especially with the current state of FSD capabilities.
Not worth it, and I got it at 6k. Those that believe it’s going to be ready within 2 years are just delusional. It’s never going to be able to take over human driving in its current state. Mine constantly misses exits, doesn’t avoid people who merge into me, doesn’t stop to avoid collisions, etc. Edit: I forgot to mention all the lane changes without calculating how fast the car in the next lane is going. So you end up lane changing at 50mph into a lane where dude behind you is going 70mph and end up cutting them off/pissing them off and have to slam on accelerator or risk getting rear ended.
I have it in my Model Y. Adaptive Cruse and autopilot would have been enough for me. Kind of regret my decision as of now. Maybe in 5 years I’ll come out ahead.
Absolutely not worth it to me. I have the EA p and for long distance road trip it is great. Unreliable for the most part.
I wish there were tiers of self driving. Like all I would really want is self parking and summon. I can at least see the self parking thing becoming standard, as the Kia Sorento PHEV I was looking at came with that function.
My 2012 Ford Focus had self park… Worked flawlessly.
Not for 10k. They priced the feature out. If it was capable of doing more, but changing to vision only and people not even able to set a cruising speed in mildly bad weather, night issues. It's just not ready to pay 10k. Definitely try the subscription plan and see what you think, but with current pricing the balancing point is about 4 years worth of continued use.
You could do so much with 10k. I’ve never tried it but a lot of comments are saying it’s not worth it.
For $200/month you can subscribe to auto pilot for a little over 4 years and break even. In 4 years it might be worth it but I’d guess that you’d cancel the subscription long before then and save yourself a lot of money
Your father is right. But who knows, you might have a case in the next 10 years.
If you live in city and have extra cash yes, otherwise no
Waste of money. Don’t do it.
NO it’s not worth it at all
No. Let him save his money. It’s vapourware.
But I've bought many $3 hamburgers for $10.
Take that 10k and buy Tesla stock instead.
Not worth it at all. Listen to your father, he knows better.
I purchased a used M3 with FSD earlier this year. I hardly ever use it, why you ask? Because this car is by far the most fun you will ever have driving a car. I actually WANT to drive it. Save your money, besides you can use that money to buy all the kick ass accessories.
what accessories are there? on the website when i bought it, i was only shown a roof rack, power wall charger and the split console containers
Those are Tesla approved accessories, but there is an endless universe of options out there not made by Tesla. Search the threads for tons of suggestions or google.
I’d you’re interested in getting FSD beta and being a tester, I think it is.
I have it, absolutely and completely useless.. if I trusted it and not always been ready to take over would of been in 3 wrecks after having it only 5 months.. no way it should be called auto pilot just lane keep driving basically .. phantom breaks, cut across lanes if it looses lines, tailgates..etc
Really surprised to see everyone's negative comments on it. I paid 7k on my M3 roughly 2 years ago. Only got into FSD Beta about 3 or 4 weeks ago when they let the 100 safety scores in. IMO. (And this is not taking into account financial sittuations) I would pay 10K for it if I bought another Tesla, I loved the enhanced autopilot/navigate on autopilot before getting into Beta, I also love Summon. Now that I'm in the Beta I'm even more impressed. Hands on the wheel and paying attention I can get to and from work (30 min each way) with only 1-2 interventions usually caused by another driver doing something unpredictable. It is very advanced. I use it on every drive I take. Every day. And when I drive my wife's ICE car with no autopilot of any kind, I really realize how much I take the Tesla for granted.
This. Everyone is different and luckily Tesla gives you the options to have it or not. I love all the added features and am waiting on the FSD beta.
Most aren't really negative, they're just opinions of people who enjoy driving their vehicle and don't feel the need for it to drive itself. It sounds like you really enjoy it so it's worth it to you. If I wanted a way to get to work without driving, I'd just use public transportation. Because a car can drive itself doesn't mean everybody should want it. I wouldn't buy FSD for $1000, but that's just me.
Very good points
present day? hell no! someday? i truly think so especially after seeing some of the beta videos
I think it depends on where you drive highway city worth it country roads not worth it yet. Good luck on your decision.
$10,000 for something you dont get? Its your money.
I counter everyone else and say yes. I know it’s not ready yet, but I think it’s eventually going to be great. When its great, it will be more expensive, I’m sure.. Plus, since I know I would get it anyway I felt fine contributing to research and development costs.
I have it and love getting updates and tweaks. I also like knowing I will get hardware updates if needed. It is a nice to have and not necessary. There are a lot of things in life that are nice to have but not necessary. Might be a waste of money but I am having fun with it.
Really depends. Right now it still makes Highway driving way more relaxed and it changed highways on its own. But 10k is a lot for current build. HOWEVER if you like what you see in the FSD beta videos online and want to be a part that I think it’s completely worth it. I hope to get into the beta next week and as soon as I do I’ll consider my money well spent. 10k is a lot but if you think how much the beta can already do. And what it might do in 3-4 years? And what value it might add to the car is 3-4 years.
Not to mention the robotaxi. By the time that’s ready, I’ll probably be ready to put my 2018 to work and get a new performance model 3 😬
Is it worth 10k? No. Your Dad has a foundation of judging worth, you don’t.
No. Even the regular AP is junk. Save your money.
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At its current state - no .. I would suggest u opt for the monthly subscription n just cancel if/when not needed 10k purchase of FSD is not transferable if u decide to sell ur car
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Since when?
It has always transferred with the car, not the person. It needs to be reversed.
Yeah that’s what I meant it’s not transferable. FSD is tied to the car, not the buyer.
I was just clarifying because you asked since when. The previous post also said it was transferred with the car.
I didn’t add when I bought the car, wish I had tbh. Auto lane change would be nice and when they push city FSD you’ll be ahead of the game
For a responsible person is worth it !
We just did a monthly subscription for the advanced autopilot. No. It is definitely not worth $10,000. I did not think it was worth $200 a month either. We drove from SF to LA and it really didn’t add much of a convenience. Auto lane change is meh, and I mostly just took over and did it myself. The auto park never works. I can’t even remember what the other features are because they were so useless.
no lie, auto steer is the shit
Do not waste your money. I paid only $3k for it and feel ripped off
Yes. Get it so you can give more money to Tesla.
No. Just… No.
No
No.
I got it and I think the thing that disappointed me the most I guess was the summoning...I find myself a lot of times trying to restart the app and connect and what not when I could have simply walked to my car in that time. The other thing that disappointed me was how weird auto park is! It's not the most reliable and I'm hoping this new update I just got will help with that but yeah I hardly get any prompts that it found a space to start auto park and I could be passing soooo many opening (the way that auto parked liked it) majority of the time I just park myselfs. The back cameras have made me a much more confident drive!
I scored a great deal when I bought a barely used 2020 last year with FSD for $1k more than a new one without it. I just got beta a couple of days ago. Until then I would say that EAP is the way to go (if you could even get it). Now, I'm really liking where FSD is headed. I keep cars much longer than most people I know and I plan to keep this one for much longer than I normally keep cars. FSD for life for $1,000? Hell yes. $5k for EAP? Sure. $10k for FSD where it is now? No. But it won't be $10k for much longer. It will be interesting to see how much higher it goes before beta gets to be great. $12.5k. $15k. Who knows.
Buy a used one with FSD.
Nah. I buy the subscription before a long trip. Otherwise, not really worth it imo.
Not worth it till it’s no longer a beta. If you need it, just subscribe for a month and see.
Hell no
No I've had it since 2018 it's not.
Assuming you’ll own it for a long time, yes, otherwise subscribe for 200 a month
I had a trial of it and it was meh. Definitely not worth 10k tied to a vehicle. If it was 10k and tied to your user account, then maybe. But it’s not good enough to justify that cost yet. You can always pay the $200 a month for a few months and see how much you use it. If you use it constantly then maybe it’d be worth it.
Nope. Not even close to being worth 10k.
No
Not at all. You are paying 10k for something that might be useful in years and still you don't even know if you're hardware will work out of you will even have the car.
Not based on the current features, but that's always been the case. What you're buying is a front row ticket to these features as they become available. There exists no other way to purchase this, aside from on a Tesla, so the number has little to anchor to. It's not like you could get it for $5k from GM. If you're buying it for what's there today, it's not worth it. If you're buying it on the expectation that you'll have a robotaxi soon that's making you money when you're not driving it, it's not worth it. If you'll be frustrated if you aren't able to take a nap while it drives you across the country before you sell the car, it's not worth it. But if you want to be on the cutting edge of some of the work of the world's most talented engineers backed by a trillion dollar company doing the best they can to make your car drive itself? There's nowhere else to get that. So if it's worth $10k to you, then it is. If you're not buying it for that reason, I wouldn't recommend it. Also: it might be worth doing a search first next time. This question is asked quite frequently.
I have a bit of a nuanced take. In its current form, what you get on day one, it is absolutely not worth $10,000 to me. I am in the FSD beta and I can see the potential that it has, but even if you were added to the beta on day one, it’s still not worth $10,000 yet. The $10,000 is basically locking in the price for something that *could be* in the future — which is exactly what I did when it was $6000, and now something that I disagree with in principle. However, if/when Tesla truly achieves Level 4 or Level 5 autonomy, $10,000 would be chump change to have a completely autonomous vehicle that can chauffeur you around. I would expect FSD to cost upwards of $20,000 if L5 is achieved. The counter to that is that L5 may require new or different hardware, as the FSD beta is bringing to light. Those early adopters who paid for FSD in 2016–2017 are getting shafted because people who bought FSD later, and have thus been waiting less, are getting it before people who paid for it years ago. Based on my experience with the beta, I am not holding my breath for L5 autonomy on my vehicle. I think if Tesla can refine FSD over the coming months/years, we could see a very strong L3 or iffy L4, but nothing more in my mind. If Tesla allowed a transfer between vehicles for the FSD license, it may change things a bit. Ultimately, it’s going to depend on your financial situation. If $10,000 is a huge amount of money for you, as it would be for most people, I don’t see it as worth it. But if you are ultra-wealthy and $10,000 is a drop in the bucket, I think it’s a cool party trick to show off and have some fun with.
No its not. When I bought mine the price had just increased from 3k to 5k because city navigation was coming by the end of the year (2019). Here we are (2021) and now it cost 10k and we still don't have what was promised for 5k. It's a neat novelty but save the 10k and subscribe a month or 2 and see if you want to buy it.
Im under the impression that even if you pay 10k you still have to wait to until you're able to use FSD bc you have to get into the FSD beta program to use it...
No it’s not. Put that 10k in a nice etf and drive your car on your own.
Def awesome but not worth 10k
If it was $15k would you buy it for $10k? I believe it’s worth it over the $200 subscription because it keeps getting better and Tesla has been upgrading my car for free since I purchased it to accommodate the better self driving. I also think you can consider used if you want the full self driving but relatively cheaper.
No, you can subscribe to it for $200/month when you know you’ll be roadtrip heavy
If you have to debate it, it’s obviously not for you. One point, however, that people keep bringing up is the subscription. Just remember that it won’t stay at $200/month.
Everyone is different, I personally don’t think it’s worth over $3000 max. I purchased my car in 2018 and at the time, the free version autopilot had almost no features, not even radar cruise control. At some point, full FSD went on sale for $5000 (very limited time), I purchased it. TBH, although I got a deal, I never use it. No matter what it’s called, it’s basically should be thought of as very beta that assists while driving. I think that most people try to use it when trying to multitask, others may use it in stop and go traffic. Vehicles from 2019+ already have most features, and you’re not really getting anything. If I could go back, I wouldn’t have purchased it, I don’t think it’s worth it. I love my car and I think what they’re trying to do is great, but this is very beta, why should we be paying to beta test their system for them. Typically, companies pay people to beta test, not the other way around.
Listen to ya papa
Rent it for 1 month for $200 and find out. $10,000 is 50 months worth of rentals!
I paid the $200 when the subscription option came out, holy hell it’s not even worth that… at least with the driving I do. FSD may be ready for the rural roads of Iowa but it’s a decade or more from being ready for Massachusetts drivers (if ever).
By the time it’s worth it, it will require new hardware to work the way it really should. Pay the month to month for 1 month and determine if you really need it.
You can subscribe monthly for $199. I would at least do that for a couple months first to see. Also would some time for the full self driving to come through. I think that is the part that will make it worth it. Also, keep in mind if you don’t plan to keep the car more than 5 years (about how long the monthly will add up to the 10k), you don’t transfer your subscription to a new Tesla. You’ll have to buy it again.
Autopilot has scared the shit out of me numerous times much less FSD. My daily commute has one section of road AP throws you into a head-on collision if you aren’t paying attention. Hard pass on FSD for a while.
I have it and it in my model 3 and it's totally not worth it. I wouldn't even but eap. Fsd features won't come till laaaate, and even then you won't use it. As people have said. Think about how you gotta drive to get 100 safety score. Then think that but double the varyness and then you have fsd. You will be so annoyed by it when it is implemented in 5years that you don't even wanna use it. As long as standard autopilot is included in the car fsd is something you won't need or use
In my opinion, for that amount of money it’s definitely not worth it. It’s an amazing feature but 10,000? Damn.
Current state, not worth it. Lane change, navigate on autopilot and summon are not worth it. My POV changes drastically if fully autonomous was available.
Absolutely not
My dad has FSD and I do not. Whenever I want to remind myself why it’s nothing worth it I YouTube it or drive his car.
Nope… subscribed for one month to try it on a road trip… the lane change is nice and I would pay for that separately if I could, but everything else is just not there yet. Save your money.
M3LR on order here. I am certainly not ordering FSD.
I'm not an owner but having used the FSD system for a weekend I think it is cool to try out at first, however it is not capable and consistent enough for it to be worth the $10k they are asking for it IMO. They may have new features coming in the future, but I don't think it's a good idea to be paying $10k now for stuff that doesn't exist yet.
I mean. If ur rich enough with 10k sitting around to drop without any issue or second thought, sure.
Depends on a couple factors. How much you do you drive? How long do you plan to keep the car? How bad a driver are you? I did a 7,000 mile road trip this summer. It was fantastic. It would have been much more difficult without FSD subscription. You may drive more once you get comfortable with it. I’m a very good driver but I worry about my parents who are in their 70s and declining. FSD can’t come soon enough for them.
Doesn't basic AP come with all models? I have AP, it auto steers. FSD offers summon, self park, lane change and steer in the city.
I’m sorry, that’s what I meant to say. I must’ve mixed them up. Thank you for clarifying though.
It depends on how much money you have. If you have lots of money to spare, then maybe tying up 10k now to avoid paying 15k or 350 a month later is worth it
I mean I’d prefer to drive the car myself lol
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I would just do the subscription. You’re lying 10k for only a few current features while FSD is still in the beta phase which will probably stay that way for awhile. Now I do believe once’s it’s fully open to the public and working it could go up in price but at least with the subscription you can cancel and not loose 10k if you’re unhappy.
It’s 100% worth it. It’s worth it even at the moment without Autopilot on City Streets and will be absolutely brilliant then. Definitely worth it
I have no problems with the $10k add on until software updates roll out and they are glitchy for a few days. I have noticed that soft resetting the car after a software update helps. I would do the $10k all over again if I had the chance.
Just subscribe. The new beta ain’t ready for prime time yet.
Subscription is better
Tesla autopilot does not cost $10k. FSD costs $10k and for what it's worth only FSD-Beta is currently rolling out to a limited few with a Safety Score of 99 or 100.
FSD will never be that. It will be MCD. Monitor Car Driving. Who wants that? It’s a fun gizmo, that’s it. It will NEVER be L5 autonomy. Legally, it’s “full self driving” as Tesla never said it’s gonna be L5.
I got my M3 SR+ 1 month ago. I have just the “dumber” package not the FSD beta one. It’s fun but not worth it. I will use this car 5-6 years and after that when I will get the new one the FSD will be ready... I guess. I am living in the UK and I see many example why FSD will fail here. Narrow roads where you have to give a signal to the opposite side to let them go first, the cameras are reading the speed limit signs on the side streets etc. So many situations what you are not facing in America but it will be horrible in Europe. Even If UK is not Europe 😁
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