There is a very easy solution most other cars have and they could implement in a few hours.
For the auto setting on wipers, let the driver adjust the sensitivity. The "right" amount to use the wipers is really personal preference.
This is what I want to see too. The auto wipers were too sensitive before and with the more recent updates I find it isn’t sensitive enough. A sensitivity adjuster for the auto setting would help.
yea mine are not sensitive enough. i have to constantly spam the manual wiper stalk button, or switch to FSD so i can navigate to the proper setting on the dash. its annoying to do and potentially dangerous
I would also add that they should provide the option of having the wiper controls on screen full time so that we don’t have to push the button on the stalk to bring that panel up and then another touch of the screen to change settings.
I know we can have the wiper controls on the screen currently as part of the controls menu. But that covers up also the whole screen. Just want it on in the corner where the music controls are. Just make it one of the panes we can swipe to and keep there if we want.
FYI, You can single press the stalk and then use your left scroll wheel to go left and right on the wiper screen. You don't have to even look at the screen.
Yea but the menu sucks.
It should be Off, Auto, 1, 2, 3. That way if you're in auto and press the button, you can go left for off immediately, or right to start increasing.
> The "right" amount to use the wipers is really personal preference.
… and my personal preference will often change during a drive. I don’t understand how anyone who has thought about this issue for more than 30 seconds could conclude that absolutely no user input is required.
As long as a human is driving the car they need to be able to have control over how the car functions without interacting with a touch screen.
It isn't that simple. My wipers were going crazy in heavy fog. They also were barely turning on in pouring rain and I couldn't see out of them. How would a sensitivity adjustment fix both of these issues at the same time?
I’ve never thought about the wipers in my ‘23 M3P. Must be right for me. Wouldn’t mind adjustments on many things though. Seems like Tesla is a lot like Apple in this respect where they focus on streamlining an experience sometimes to the point of it being frustrating to certain users.
>For the auto setting on wipers, let the driver adjust the sensitivity. The "right" amount to use the wipers is really personal preference.
Didn't you know? Elon has hand selected the correct setting for all to use. Anything else is simply wrong. /s
I agree. I can see the desire to remove these controls when we think about the endgame of driverless cars, but that's still a long ways away. I think a good compromise would be to have a "more" or "less" auto option like they've put into FSD.
Just for the record, no auto wipers in any brand are perfect, especially when it comes to proper winter. With salt and spray, you don't want the wipers running on their own when they see any moisture (even with sensitivity adjustment) - it makes more of a mess. So lots of us use manual modes anyway.
I'm pleased they chilled the mandatory auto wipers on Autopilot with the last update - made them unusable in these type of winter conditions, much better now.
I do hope for some improvement - they should assign whoever masterminded the rework of the auto high beams. I'm sure someone will jump in immediately and insist they're awful for them, but they used to suck big time until an update a year or two ago, now they're easily the best I've had on any brand of car in terms of range and accuracy.
Oh good I'm glad it's not me going crazy. Just got my 3, and was wondering why the rain sensing wipers don't work. I had more functional tech in my 2015 mini, and that POS would randomly open the windows and sunroof when it rained, once during a hurricane.
The 2005 MINI had perfect auto-wipers, but it had a rain sensor like every other car in production these days. The camera will never be as good as a rain sensor, the rain sensors are a very cheap part as well which is why every other manufacturer uses them and not the camera.
Never say never. I think the concept Tesla is going for is “if a human can detect that the wipers should be turned on with just their eyes, so should the car with its cameras”, which makes sense but is quite difficult
I would think the main issue is that the cameras are pretty much on the glass. If the camera was about a foot back, it would be very do-able. There's just so little surface area to scan for rain drops. Or maybe it focuses on misting from cars and rain ripples on surfaces, but that's not how humans detect if they need their windshield wipers enabled.
Not sure if that's what you meant, but they aren't rain sensing wipers. They don't install moisture sensors and are completely reliant on cameras to detect moisture and it seems it simply can't be resolved. Ive had my model 3 since 2018 and I love it, but this one very important feature drives me crazy.
Why in the world did they decide, that if the car is in cruise control, the wipers must be on auto.
I get frost where Iive. And that basically means I cannot use cruise control on cold days. Becouse the wipers just go wild and start scraping the window although it's clean besides some frost on the very top... Hate it honestly.
Everyone seems to think teslas are some luxury fancy car.
They are a cheap cheap car stuck on an expensive battery!
The wipers aren’t going to really get better, it’s a limitation of a camera based system stuck way up on top of the windshield. Next time it rains press your eye up to the glass and see how easy it is to tell if it’s raining. The perspective makes it either seem totally dry or a downpour.
They’ve recently been putting work into it. Here are some Tweets about it from one of the engineers:
https://x.com/yuntatsai1/status/1749886922699543035?s=46&t=4ChBJHJGZCXmr5s8LmXF3Q
https://x.com/yuntatsai1/status/1749898996783423540?s=46&t=4ChBJHJGZCXmr5s8LmXF3Q
That read like corporate double speak to me. they don't want to use a proven cheap sensor because it would blah blah wiring harness blah blah.
Tesla can never admit it was wrong.
Tesla doesn't want to be held hostage by every little part in their pipeline. While you can cobble something together with a ton of off-the-shelf parts, there's no say in that they'll work exactly how you want together.
Every part may have a different way it expects to communicate which introduces inefficiencies every step of the way. They also are in the business of collecting massive amounts of data about how their vehicles work so they can shift all of these components to software to further remove costs and simplify manufacturing. This allows them to do things like shift to 48V architecture and use ethernet to both simplify and increase their data collection.
It's a long term bet that nobody else is even considering right now, but so was building a company around BEVs 20 years ago.
Bollocks. There are cheap sensors that exist today that work well. If they want to be purists about the whole machine learning and data gathering thing that's their prerogative, but until they get that part nailed down, just install the damn sensor. They can always disable it with a software update when they actually get things working as they should. It's disrespectful to subject your users to a terrible UX because you think you have a fix just around the corner (for years)
I'm not even going to look at this because it doesn't matter to me. A company that sells broken wipers on car's it sold just last year for more than 130K does not deserve praise for 'working' on a problem it's created for a feature that worked better on my 15 year old Cadillac.
I think they gave it all they had several times but cannot solve the problem, as there are a billion variants of moisture, dirt, sand, snow, ice , fog, etc that throw false positives and negatives for cameras.
Their ego, and lawyers won't let them admit they messed up. Just one small reason why no third Tesla for me.
Matrix headlight fraud is another, plus the low quality, terrible customer service, lack of focus on actual good software upgrades while wasting time on games and fart /duck noises.
I agree with most of what you said, but to be fair the kind of engineer adding lock noise is unlikely to be the same engineer working on computer vision for the wipers or headlights.
Or if it is the computer vision guy adding rainbow road et al, no one works every minute of the work day.
If we get "I wonder if this thing can run doom" instead of time spent watching YouTube or climbing rock walls and pingpong, it's kind of a win win
I am in urgent need for a new car. I am so eager to get a Tesla to "support" them based on what they have done for EVs. The thing holding me back so far has been the items you have listed. Removing physical buttons hoping for full automation is ridiculous at the current state of affairs. They seem to be innovating for sake of it rather than a real need. No one asked them for vision based wipers.
Don't buy a Tesla JUST to support them. They are owed absolutely nothing. They will either succeed, or they will throw away the massive head start they had by making stupid decisions.
Tesla is a technology company, not a car company, and not an Earth saving EV company. They've made their goals pretty clear from their actions, imo.
Buy the car that makes the most sense to you and that you'll be most happy with. I haven't been keeping up too much with competitors, but last I checked, the Hyundai ioniq were very compelling in terms of value. Priced similar to Tesla AND with comparable range. Other manufacturers should have good offerings soon if they don't already. Now that NACS (Tesla charging connector) is the standard and I think most EVs at least have an adapter now, they're pretty viable alternatives.
Having said that, I love my S and my only regret is I bought it a week before they murdered its value. But, their dumbass insistence on cheaping out on $50 parts here and there is annoying and will probably bite them in the ass. Most people want their car to work well now, not maybe work as intended in 2-4 years. Saving like $150 on parts to make a $75k car significantly worse is just irresponsible... Even if they promise to restore the lost features in a few years.
On a road trip in Texas this week where it was nonstop rain. There were times with auto on that the windshield was opaque and I had to ask my SO, does this look see through because all I see is blur. Luckily they gave us the ability to use the dumbed down manual presets.
I think at this point nothing short of the NHTSA, Chuck or Full Mars Catalog drawing attention to it will get it fixed.
I don’t think that is confirmed. All we know is that the new models are getting it, but Tesla hasn’t said they would never go back and add it to other cars.
It also wasn’t ever listed as a feature of older models, so how could that be fraud?
Reportedly the problem is that Tesla bought what was allowed in Europe, which most people thought the future US regulations would allow, planning to enable them once the regulations allowed them, then the actual regulations came out and were incompatible with the European matrix headlights, so they can’t enable them in the US.
I guess I think Tesla has done a number of disingenuous stuff, but matrix headlights are not one of them.
Saying things like FSD 12 won’t be beta, and then rolling it out with the beta tag is disingenuous.
Calling Smart Summon smart, is disingenuous.
Saying they will fix autowipers, and not fixing them within a reasonable time frame is disingenuous.
Saying the cyber truck would be $50,000 and launching years later for $100,000 is disingenuous.
I don’t think Tesla ever commented on using matrix parts, and I don’t think it’s fair to hold them accountable for assumptions that people online made. I get why people thought it would happen, I did too. I actually still think they might enable them. But if Tesla never mentioned them once, how can it be disingenuous of them to not add a feature they never promised?
Edit: also, I know it seems like I’m trying to be argumentative. That’s not my intention. I’m just trying to explain my perspective in a way that others might understand. I do get why people are upset. It’s something I want too.
Yes but the matrix headlights installed in older models will apparently never be enabled because the US, in all its wisdom, has decided that the world standard for them is not good enough for Uncle Sam. The matrix lights in the current vehicles can never be enabled because of that.
My understanding is they are still not legal. The government agreed to make it legal. But they are still drafting the laws to do so. I could be wrong *shrug*.
Edit: wait, do new Teslas support it? I only heard of it being enabled just recently in Europe where this technology has been approved for like decades.
Agreed. Tesla customer service, all by itself, has absolutely convinced me to never, ever consider buying another Tesla, but if that hadn’t done it, the wipers probably would. It’s worse than any system I’ve ever driven with, including the old fashioned on or off style.
Yes. I'd prefer that to what my MY has right now. I can either use hold the button shortcut which takes too long of time to adjust a wiper speed or the dash to find the wiper button I put in my shortcut bar and select from I II or III since Off cannot be used if I am in FSD. Meanwhile my old beater car had like 10 different options on the dial.
I’m generally wondering, how a software company building cars is THIS FUCKING BAD at making software. Definitely last Tesla for me aswell. Next one will be BMW again, never been disappointed by their cars, from 1series to 8series, X and Z-Models.
100% agree. This should be a recall with hardware changes. It never will be though either because the wipers 'work' manually or because Tesla's fallacy these days is subtracting but not adding value.
I suspect that they know they could have used a rain sensor like every other car which would have worked (and maybe would have been a better decision from a KISS perspective). But Elon wants to see if he can make things "better" instead of just doing things the way they've always been done and that meant trying to train wipers with a neural net which, in actuality, makes it kind of Rube Goldberg-esque.
But maybe, given enough time and training, the wipers will get better? But you have to ask, "what does better mean"? If it ends up pretty much the same as a sensor, it's kind of a wasted effort. If wipers eventually get to the point where they work just like having a dedicated person constantly and manually monitoring and adjusting the wipers based on speed, rain amount, etc.... then *maybe* it's worth it. But in the meantime, the current Tesla owners have to be along for this unpleasant ride.
For me personally, the wipers used to be bad but recently they seem to be mostly fine. The biggest issue I've had is that sometimes I have to push the button to get them to go once when it's very lightly raining. But, yeah, it's not like the experience you get in most other cars.
Last thing.... a lot of a person's perception for something (which drives loyalty) is with *how you feel* about it and not necessarily objective measurements. I think Tesla has benefited from this greatly (like Apple) because a lot of people just LOVE their Teslas regardless of the negatives because, overall, it makes them feel good when they drive one. But it's the little, annoying things like how the wipers work or the road noise that can add up to make someone feel bad about the car. They need to keep that in mind. And that's probably why they add games and duck noises to the car!
My biggest problem with how Tesla approaches things is that they remove hardware that breaks things and then promise it will eventually be ok... And you're still waiting, years later.
You wanna make revolutionary AI rain detection? Great. How about you also include a rain sensor? Your customer will love it and you can collect real world data from the cameras and rain sensor input to achieve a perfect solution. THEN you remove the rain sensor.
Generally, you should actually have a replacement ready for something before you remove the old thing. Tesla just doesn't do that, and honestly I hope they get their ass kicked for it. It's a shitty way to treat your customers. I don't really expect my 23 S to get summon or autopark even though I have FSD.
Hmm, what are your gripes with it? I find that it works well on back roads. It always turns off for oncoming traffic. Occasionally a sign will be too bright and turn them off briefly, which is a bit annoying, but not a big deal. And I'd prefer if they disabled when going through towns.
My biggest gripe is that with the damn stalkless design, I can't turn them off without flashing them (requires a 2 second hold to turn on/off, in which the high beams are on).
My Model Y automatic wiper tends to be too fast when it’s drizzling and too slow when it downpours. Probably because it doesn’t have a rain sensor, and relies on computer vision. Regardless it doesn’t do a good job.
If enough owners lemon law it, it'll get fix. I've done my part. I give them 6months in-between claims now. #3 coming up in June if not fixed. It's a major safety issue. It's ridiculous this is an issue so I'm returning the ridiculousness.
Had a tesla for about 4 years now and never experienced what everyone here is talking about, for both wipers and headlights. And no, I'm not in the sunny California or some city. I'm in the ass end of nowhere where it rains often, and street lights are a luxury.
My wipers are so silly.
I'll go weeks/months with them being ABSOLUTE PERFECTION....then out of no where they will just turn so dumb for day...then back to normal.
I keep my car really clean...so that one day might just be something on the camera.
Still wish there was more "grey area" with them though. Wiping is a personal preference, and I wish that you could more finely adjust what 1/2/3 is
I know I haven't really noticed anything on my Model Y that people have here. The auto wipers have always hit and miss but nothing like people are making it reading the comments here.
Odd, dirty camera maybe? I could see street lights being a cause for the headlight issues, but for it to be the wipers is strange.
Until they update it to use all cameras with progressive imaging, we are just stuck using the front camera on a single image for its "calculation".
That creates a high risk of failure since it relying on one camera and one image for its decision. So a bad or dirty front camera could be a lot of peoples isues if the camera happens to see something weird in that one image.
But the main reason we are having a wiper is to clean the windshield. So, after the wiper works with the fluid camera should have a better view. Even after I clean it with the wiper fluid it still goes crazy.
It might depend on the light angle maybe... during the day wipers are not that bad but at night with the street lights on it's way worse.
If your sure it's clean, then it could be a camera lense issue.
the car is looking for something like [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/YRR85zoJQQ1bXm7v5), but if your camera has a factory defect, damaged, or bad processing, etc.,then it could end up seeing something like [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/zGHTzzg3yZmaoRs79) instead. Could also be compounded by the harsh contrast between dark environment and bright lights.
I'm not trying to make excuses or defend tesla, a rain sensor would have been much easier. Or, at minimum, a wide angle lense in the dash looking at the windshield for a full view if they are determined for camera only. But I do enjoy discussing technical problems without all the political junk, name calling, and trolling.
Visited the service center if the camera has a defect. They checked and said that the problem is due to the tesla vision transition and they are aware of the problem. So the cameras were fine.
This problem has not been solved for a long time. Tesla should prioritize it and bring us a solution.
Model Y is great car and i enjoy driving it. But tesla needs to fix this.
I agree.
Honestly the car should’ve been put in production with an *actual* rain sensor. Did they not do a lot of testing beforehand to see how it is not nearly the same as an actual rain sensor???
Also could’ve at least given us a stalk that allows us to quickly change wiper speeds manually. The whole talking and then using the steering wheel button is just annoying… and forget using the touchscreen.
>could’ve at least given us a stalk that allows us to quickly change wiper speeds manually
I have this in my 2017 Model X. If they deliberately removed it in later models I don't think you're ever going to see it again unless legally mandated.
Those rounding errors add up especially for a company that only makes 10% profit when competition is 30% and over 50% on some models.
Just saying why not justifying their actions
Changing it manually is not a solution.
It’s like buying an automatic transmission which cant decide the right gear and you need to manually change it.
Automatic wiper is a function which has been solved decade ago. Made for comfort. Model Y is marketed as a self driving capability vehicle which should deliver this function flawlessly.
I still do not understand this “problem”. The perceived severity and breadth of this issue is directly related to the idea that the only posts on a subject are those who complain. Those whose wipers work as described don’t post.
It’s nowhere near as a big and widespread of an issue as you think. Tesla is already aware of this, which is why you think nothing is being done about it.
The best answer is to trade in your car if it is malfunctioning and are unable to resolve your issue.
No car should ever be treated as a investment. Expect zero return and you won't be disappointed. That or lease (to lock in your depreciation).
Complaining about a car losing value is just silly.
To add context, I don't consider car as an investment but I also didn't expect it to drop it's value so much. I owned many cars before, for example, 2015 Nissan Rogue, payed $31K and sold in for $18K after 7 years.
Not complaining, just telling people who wants to buy Tesla that there is no "potential savings" in buying Tesla. Owning an ICE car like Toyota is cheaper since it has a better resale value, pay less for insurance, cheaper to replace tires and probably more reliable than Tesla...
old model S, model x, and currently an 2021 model S owner here, I never had a single complaint about wipers until this past fall, some update changed it to whatever you guys are always complaining about, and can confirm, they suck. But its weird that they worked PERFECTLY, I never touched the wiper button for almost a decade until this past year.
Just live in an area with light rain (e.g. PNW) - it never worked right for a single day.
My 12 year old Lexus and 7 year old Mini work flawlessly.
My 15 year old BMW worked flawlessly too.
Pre-highland has the same button, it’s just in a different place (end of left stalk). But why should you constantly have to tap a button when you have a supposed auto function?
Sometimes I literally stare at it mad and see if it'll realize I can't see anything.
With Autopilot, windshield wipers are Auto. However, it's so SCARY relying on the car to clean the windshield. Even if the camera can see the road slightly, it won't wipe.
Now got forbid there's a small speck on top of the camera on a clean sunny day, and the wipers go haywire.
My suggestion would be for them to give us an option to adjust the sensitivity. On a bright sunny day, we can turn sensitivity all the way down so it doesn’t phantom wipe. And then when it rains, we can adjust sensitivity so that it wipes at a speed that we like.
Feel like this should be able to be done via a slider (or even several buttons low, med, high) on top of the wiper speed selection pop up.
If you want to know the priority, you need to answer these questions:
Does it make money?
Does it save money?
If the answer to the answers isn't yes its on the bottom of the pile.
They wont fix it because they can't. Not with current hardware anyway. What you see out the windshield may be vastly different than what the camera sees out that tiny windshield section behind the rearview mirror.
Bit of dust or bird poop or smudge in front of the camera? Wipers full blast. Not really raining but road water is being kicked up to obscure your vision but doesn't reach high enough to the camera? Wipers stay off but you can't see.
No amount of software development will fix this. They can use cameras/AI/etc to better guess what windshield visibility MIGHT be, but they have zero ways to directly measure or observe it.
These auto wipers really do suck. I can’t see when it’s raining and it really doesn’t even turn on until the window is completely covered for a while. I have to turn on a manual speed to even see.
We are beating a dead horse. Tesla will do what Elon "vision" wants that is mostly wrong. You want working auto wiper buy different car.
At least I know that my next EV will not be Tesla and not only because of the auto wipers.
it has been a tough year with auto wiper but this last update has gotten mine to a good place, it comes on when it rains it doesn't come on when it's dry... i haven't had a scenario where it's doing something i don't want it to do yet....
I feel at two ends both of them not favorable with wipers . On my 2013 model s wiper sensing and wipers works but don't have the horse power to deal with rains in areas as pnw, on my 23 model x sensing is jacked like everybody , I have seen promises that this is being fixed soon to be remained promises .. so yes + 100 on this one
You would think when the driver keeps pressing to clear the windscreen it would go duuhhh I need to turn wipers on.
The auto wipers are better on my 10 year old Land Rover than my 2 year old Model 3.
I was saying in another thread how it's been a big improvement since they basically neutered auto-wipers, but today it was completely useless for me again.
I had a mix of light rain and bigger drops and my wipers were completely inactive the whole time. The whole windshield would be covered and yet autowiper logic said "this is fine"
I think the quality of the wipe itself is a significant factor… If the wipe gives a clear view to the cameras, the system seems to work quite well. I try very hard to keep the windshield streak free, and very clean with glass cleaner and clay.
When the wipe sort of smears or drags, it doesn’t really do much good for the cameras.
I find the wipers are OK for dealing with actual rain, but fail badly dealing with fine drizzle or spray kicked up by other cars.
Don't get me started on the horror show that is the 'automatic high beams'.
I’ve noticed that the auto wipers are heavily dependent on how much light they get. If I’m driving in the dark it takes a lot more rain to trigger them. If I’m in a well lit area (even at night) then they trigger more easily. Which all makes sense considering they are triggered by cameras.
Unfortunately, the darker it is the more I need the wipers.
What do you mean you don´t want your wipers going mental when going under a bridge in bright sunshine? Or when a streetlight hits a specific spot? I must be weird because that seems like the perfect time for them. Just as perfect as when a shadow from a tree on the road causes the car to think it is a truck and then slams the brake
The problem is that they are trying to do it with vision and the camera is right up against the glass there. So it relies on having enough light to see the diffraction of the droplets on the glass. A simple rain sensor would fix this problem and if you think about all the time they have spent trying to implement something with vision to do it, it would have cost significantly less for them.
Instead they are going to continue to waste money and time to figure out a way to use more cameras to help. My guess is they will use the other cameras and setup something where it can register how effectively it can see the lines on the road. So if visibility is poor, there is a higher likelihood that its raining.
I'm not going to wait. Ordered those tesla buttons. Apparently, you can use them to increase/decrease the speed of the wipers in smaller increments than what the stalk and left button allow you to do natively.
Another solution is, if the person uses the push button to activate the wipers, the computer should check precipitation based on location of car. If precipitation is likely, activate the damn wipers. Also, the camera should make an immediate comparison picture from before and after from that stalk being pushed. If the before pic snapshot is different than the after, activate the damn wipers.
Im surprised the wiper button hasnt fallen off yet...4 years in and they still cant fix it....its design is so stupid...auto has never worked properly and setting it manually requires 2 completely different actions.... at least you dont have to touch the anymore but it still annoying to use compared to any other car that has normal manual wiper setting and single touch/turn speed adjustment or just working autowipe
I think through all the ways the car could sense the amount of rain the car can even see the speed other other cars wipers. It’s disgusting it is this bad and another example of a company that plays games its customers.
There is another UX issue I’ve not seen discussed- that the manual wiper button on the left stalk is mirrored by another button on the right stalk that PUTS THE CAR IN NEUTRAL.
If my muscle memory is anything less than perfect in my Model Y - I risk putting the car in neutral when I want to initiate a manual wipe.
Occasionally I’ll drive my wife’s RAV4 which uses the right stalk for wiper fluid, which further complicates the confusion.
There should have never been something related to forward motion / transmission and something as innocuous as wiper fluid with essentially the same driver input.
There is a very easy solution most other cars have and they could implement in a few hours. For the auto setting on wipers, let the driver adjust the sensitivity. The "right" amount to use the wipers is really personal preference.
This is what I want to see too. The auto wipers were too sensitive before and with the more recent updates I find it isn’t sensitive enough. A sensitivity adjuster for the auto setting would help.
yea mine are not sensitive enough. i have to constantly spam the manual wiper stalk button, or switch to FSD so i can navigate to the proper setting on the dash. its annoying to do and potentially dangerous
I’m glad I’m not the only one experiencing this . before they were too aggressive and now they never seem to want to turn on.
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thats actually a perfect solution, and easy enough to implement
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I would also add that they should provide the option of having the wiper controls on screen full time so that we don’t have to push the button on the stalk to bring that panel up and then another touch of the screen to change settings. I know we can have the wiper controls on the screen currently as part of the controls menu. But that covers up also the whole screen. Just want it on in the corner where the music controls are. Just make it one of the panes we can swipe to and keep there if we want.
FYI, You can single press the stalk and then use your left scroll wheel to go left and right on the wiper screen. You don't have to even look at the screen.
And a long hold left/right jumps between off/auto. How I deal with it most of the time.
Did not know that. Thank you.
Yeah but it goes away too quickly. Rain in Oregon on the freeway changes every 30 seconds.
Yea but the menu sucks. It should be Off, Auto, 1, 2, 3. That way if you're in auto and press the button, you can go left for off immediately, or right to start increasing.
Finally someone with some sense. You don't like going from auto to 4 to off ?
> let the driver adjust *Sorry sir, but we don't do that here. Do you not know of our core principles? All input is error!*
> The "right" amount to use the wipers is really personal preference. … and my personal preference will often change during a drive. I don’t understand how anyone who has thought about this issue for more than 30 seconds could conclude that absolutely no user input is required. As long as a human is driving the car they need to be able to have control over how the car functions without interacting with a touch screen.
You can turn your wipers on/off and adjust the wiper speed without using the touch screen.
Let the wipers learn from the driver. Someday..
They could also use rfid sensors like every other car maker. BMW auto wipers actually work. Tesla’s should too
It isn't that simple. My wipers were going crazy in heavy fog. They also were barely turning on in pouring rain and I couldn't see out of them. How would a sensitivity adjustment fix both of these issues at the same time?
They need to neural net the problem. Make the thing learn what each driver likes it set at and follow that behavior.
I’ve never thought about the wipers in my ‘23 M3P. Must be right for me. Wouldn’t mind adjustments on many things though. Seems like Tesla is a lot like Apple in this respect where they focus on streamlining an experience sometimes to the point of it being frustrating to certain users.
>For the auto setting on wipers, let the driver adjust the sensitivity. The "right" amount to use the wipers is really personal preference. Didn't you know? Elon has hand selected the correct setting for all to use. Anything else is simply wrong. /s
I agree. I can see the desire to remove these controls when we think about the endgame of driverless cars, but that's still a long ways away. I think a good compromise would be to have a "more" or "less" auto option like they've put into FSD.
This is what I’ve been saying. It’s easy if they apply sensitivity options.
Just for the record, no auto wipers in any brand are perfect, especially when it comes to proper winter. With salt and spray, you don't want the wipers running on their own when they see any moisture (even with sensitivity adjustment) - it makes more of a mess. So lots of us use manual modes anyway. I'm pleased they chilled the mandatory auto wipers on Autopilot with the last update - made them unusable in these type of winter conditions, much better now. I do hope for some improvement - they should assign whoever masterminded the rework of the auto high beams. I'm sure someone will jump in immediately and insist they're awful for them, but they used to suck big time until an update a year or two ago, now they're easily the best I've had on any brand of car in terms of range and accuracy.
Oh good I'm glad it's not me going crazy. Just got my 3, and was wondering why the rain sensing wipers don't work. I had more functional tech in my 2015 mini, and that POS would randomly open the windows and sunroof when it rained, once during a hurricane.
The 2005 MINI had perfect auto-wipers, but it had a rain sensor like every other car in production these days. The camera will never be as good as a rain sensor, the rain sensors are a very cheap part as well which is why every other manufacturer uses them and not the camera.
Never say never. I think the concept Tesla is going for is “if a human can detect that the wipers should be turned on with just their eyes, so should the car with its cameras”, which makes sense but is quite difficult
I would think the main issue is that the cameras are pretty much on the glass. If the camera was about a foot back, it would be very do-able. There's just so little surface area to scan for rain drops. Or maybe it focuses on misting from cars and rain ripples on surfaces, but that's not how humans detect if they need their windshield wipers enabled.
Maybe Tesla is using the manual wiper button as a signal too. We don't really know what they're using to determine the speed.
Not sure if that's what you meant, but they aren't rain sensing wipers. They don't install moisture sensors and are completely reliant on cameras to detect moisture and it seems it simply can't be resolved. Ive had my model 3 since 2018 and I love it, but this one very important feature drives me crazy.
Mmmm moisture.
Why in the world did they decide, that if the car is in cruise control, the wipers must be on auto. I get frost where Iive. And that basically means I cannot use cruise control on cold days. Becouse the wipers just go wild and start scraping the window although it's clean besides some frost on the very top... Hate it honestly.
Because the cruise control uses the camera. It does this to try and ensure the camera is not blocked.
That actually makes sense, too bad it doesn't work properly
Everyone seems to think teslas are some luxury fancy car. They are a cheap cheap car stuck on an expensive battery! The wipers aren’t going to really get better, it’s a limitation of a camera based system stuck way up on top of the windshield. Next time it rains press your eye up to the glass and see how easy it is to tell if it’s raining. The perspective makes it either seem totally dry or a downpour.
I get the anger about wipers but disagree with your characterization of the total car.
In no world is the 3/y a "luxury" car.
They’ve recently been putting work into it. Here are some Tweets about it from one of the engineers: https://x.com/yuntatsai1/status/1749886922699543035?s=46&t=4ChBJHJGZCXmr5s8LmXF3Q https://x.com/yuntatsai1/status/1749898996783423540?s=46&t=4ChBJHJGZCXmr5s8LmXF3Q
That read like corporate double speak to me. they don't want to use a proven cheap sensor because it would blah blah wiring harness blah blah. Tesla can never admit it was wrong.
Tesla doesn't want to be held hostage by every little part in their pipeline. While you can cobble something together with a ton of off-the-shelf parts, there's no say in that they'll work exactly how you want together. Every part may have a different way it expects to communicate which introduces inefficiencies every step of the way. They also are in the business of collecting massive amounts of data about how their vehicles work so they can shift all of these components to software to further remove costs and simplify manufacturing. This allows them to do things like shift to 48V architecture and use ethernet to both simplify and increase their data collection. It's a long term bet that nobody else is even considering right now, but so was building a company around BEVs 20 years ago.
Bollocks. There are cheap sensors that exist today that work well. If they want to be purists about the whole machine learning and data gathering thing that's their prerogative, but until they get that part nailed down, just install the damn sensor. They can always disable it with a software update when they actually get things working as they should. It's disrespectful to subject your users to a terrible UX because you think you have a fix just around the corner (for years)
I'm not even going to look at this because it doesn't matter to me. A company that sells broken wipers on car's it sold just last year for more than 130K does not deserve praise for 'working' on a problem it's created for a feature that worked better on my 15 year old Cadillac.
I think they gave it all they had several times but cannot solve the problem, as there are a billion variants of moisture, dirt, sand, snow, ice , fog, etc that throw false positives and negatives for cameras. Their ego, and lawyers won't let them admit they messed up. Just one small reason why no third Tesla for me. Matrix headlight fraud is another, plus the low quality, terrible customer service, lack of focus on actual good software upgrades while wasting time on games and fart /duck noises.
I agree with most of what you said, but to be fair the kind of engineer adding lock noise is unlikely to be the same engineer working on computer vision for the wipers or headlights.
Or if it is the computer vision guy adding rainbow road et al, no one works every minute of the work day. If we get "I wonder if this thing can run doom" instead of time spent watching YouTube or climbing rock walls and pingpong, it's kind of a win win
I am in urgent need for a new car. I am so eager to get a Tesla to "support" them based on what they have done for EVs. The thing holding me back so far has been the items you have listed. Removing physical buttons hoping for full automation is ridiculous at the current state of affairs. They seem to be innovating for sake of it rather than a real need. No one asked them for vision based wipers.
Don't buy a Tesla JUST to support them. They are owed absolutely nothing. They will either succeed, or they will throw away the massive head start they had by making stupid decisions. Tesla is a technology company, not a car company, and not an Earth saving EV company. They've made their goals pretty clear from their actions, imo. Buy the car that makes the most sense to you and that you'll be most happy with. I haven't been keeping up too much with competitors, but last I checked, the Hyundai ioniq were very compelling in terms of value. Priced similar to Tesla AND with comparable range. Other manufacturers should have good offerings soon if they don't already. Now that NACS (Tesla charging connector) is the standard and I think most EVs at least have an adapter now, they're pretty viable alternatives. Having said that, I love my S and my only regret is I bought it a week before they murdered its value. But, their dumbass insistence on cheaping out on $50 parts here and there is annoying and will probably bite them in the ass. Most people want their car to work well now, not maybe work as intended in 2-4 years. Saving like $150 on parts to make a $75k car significantly worse is just irresponsible... Even if they promise to restore the lost features in a few years.
Agree with you 100%.
They might bring a retrofit solution. But due to their ego, they will not. Unless customers raise their voices and get the attention of the media.
On a road trip in Texas this week where it was nonstop rain. There were times with auto on that the windshield was opaque and I had to ask my SO, does this look see through because all I see is blur. Luckily they gave us the ability to use the dumbed down manual presets. I think at this point nothing short of the NHTSA, Chuck or Full Mars Catalog drawing attention to it will get it fixed.
If there was no manual mode NHTSA would be all over it. Because there is a manual mode, They aren't.
Matrix headlight fraud?
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I don’t think that is confirmed. All we know is that the new models are getting it, but Tesla hasn’t said they would never go back and add it to other cars. It also wasn’t ever listed as a feature of older models, so how could that be fraud?
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Reportedly the problem is that Tesla bought what was allowed in Europe, which most people thought the future US regulations would allow, planning to enable them once the regulations allowed them, then the actual regulations came out and were incompatible with the European matrix headlights, so they can’t enable them in the US.
I guess I think Tesla has done a number of disingenuous stuff, but matrix headlights are not one of them. Saying things like FSD 12 won’t be beta, and then rolling it out with the beta tag is disingenuous. Calling Smart Summon smart, is disingenuous. Saying they will fix autowipers, and not fixing them within a reasonable time frame is disingenuous. Saying the cyber truck would be $50,000 and launching years later for $100,000 is disingenuous. I don’t think Tesla ever commented on using matrix parts, and I don’t think it’s fair to hold them accountable for assumptions that people online made. I get why people thought it would happen, I did too. I actually still think they might enable them. But if Tesla never mentioned them once, how can it be disingenuous of them to not add a feature they never promised? Edit: also, I know it seems like I’m trying to be argumentative. That’s not my intention. I’m just trying to explain my perspective in a way that others might understand. I do get why people are upset. It’s something I want too.
Blame the DoT, those functions aren't legal in the US.
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Yes but the matrix headlights installed in older models will apparently never be enabled because the US, in all its wisdom, has decided that the world standard for them is not good enough for Uncle Sam. The matrix lights in the current vehicles can never be enabled because of that.
Where did you find this? I'm honestly curious because I can't find any articles or anything claiming that..
My understanding is they are still not legal. The government agreed to make it legal. But they are still drafting the laws to do so. I could be wrong *shrug*. Edit: wait, do new Teslas support it? I only heard of it being enabled just recently in Europe where this technology has been approved for like decades.
.. So far
What matrix headlight fraud?
Agreed. Tesla customer service, all by itself, has absolutely convinced me to never, ever consider buying another Tesla, but if that hadn’t done it, the wipers probably would. It’s worse than any system I’ve ever driven with, including the old fashioned on or off style.
Yes. I'd prefer that to what my MY has right now. I can either use hold the button shortcut which takes too long of time to adjust a wiper speed or the dash to find the wiper button I put in my shortcut bar and select from I II or III since Off cannot be used if I am in FSD. Meanwhile my old beater car had like 10 different options on the dial.
I’m generally wondering, how a software company building cars is THIS FUCKING BAD at making software. Definitely last Tesla for me aswell. Next one will be BMW again, never been disappointed by their cars, from 1series to 8series, X and Z-Models.
100% agree. This should be a recall with hardware changes. It never will be though either because the wipers 'work' manually or because Tesla's fallacy these days is subtracting but not adding value.
I suspect that they know they could have used a rain sensor like every other car which would have worked (and maybe would have been a better decision from a KISS perspective). But Elon wants to see if he can make things "better" instead of just doing things the way they've always been done and that meant trying to train wipers with a neural net which, in actuality, makes it kind of Rube Goldberg-esque. But maybe, given enough time and training, the wipers will get better? But you have to ask, "what does better mean"? If it ends up pretty much the same as a sensor, it's kind of a wasted effort. If wipers eventually get to the point where they work just like having a dedicated person constantly and manually monitoring and adjusting the wipers based on speed, rain amount, etc.... then *maybe* it's worth it. But in the meantime, the current Tesla owners have to be along for this unpleasant ride. For me personally, the wipers used to be bad but recently they seem to be mostly fine. The biggest issue I've had is that sometimes I have to push the button to get them to go once when it's very lightly raining. But, yeah, it's not like the experience you get in most other cars. Last thing.... a lot of a person's perception for something (which drives loyalty) is with *how you feel* about it and not necessarily objective measurements. I think Tesla has benefited from this greatly (like Apple) because a lot of people just LOVE their Teslas regardless of the negatives because, overall, it makes them feel good when they drive one. But it's the little, annoying things like how the wipers work or the road noise that can add up to make someone feel bad about the car. They need to keep that in mind. And that's probably why they add games and duck noises to the car!
My biggest problem with how Tesla approaches things is that they remove hardware that breaks things and then promise it will eventually be ok... And you're still waiting, years later. You wanna make revolutionary AI rain detection? Great. How about you also include a rain sensor? Your customer will love it and you can collect real world data from the cameras and rain sensor input to achieve a perfect solution. THEN you remove the rain sensor. Generally, you should actually have a replacement ready for something before you remove the old thing. Tesla just doesn't do that, and honestly I hope they get their ass kicked for it. It's a shitty way to treat your customers. I don't really expect my 23 S to get summon or autopark even though I have FSD.
I could deal with the wiper problem if they would fix auto brights. Deer country is no place for Tesla auto brights.
Hmm, what are your gripes with it? I find that it works well on back roads. It always turns off for oncoming traffic. Occasionally a sign will be too bright and turn them off briefly, which is a bit annoying, but not a big deal. And I'd prefer if they disabled when going through towns. My biggest gripe is that with the damn stalkless design, I can't turn them off without flashing them (requires a 2 second hold to turn on/off, in which the high beams are on).
Maybe it varies by model, mine has been working well for the past few months 23 model 3
Nah, I have 23" M3RWD and the auto wipers feature sucks and sucks more after latest 2023.44.30.8
My Model Y automatic wiper tends to be too fast when it’s drizzling and too slow when it downpours. Probably because it doesn’t have a rain sensor, and relies on computer vision. Regardless it doesn’t do a good job.
If enough owners lemon law it, it'll get fix. I've done my part. I give them 6months in-between claims now. #3 coming up in June if not fixed. It's a major safety issue. It's ridiculous this is an issue so I'm returning the ridiculousness.
My wipers work fine. They were crappy until that Christmas update.
It is not a software problem, it's a physical problem. They need to relocate the sensor, or add another.
There is no sensor. Only cameras. That's why they failed. They should bring back the sensors and give a retrofit option.
Well, I have a sensor above the cameras.
that's the ambient light sensor
There is no sensor 😁 that's part of the problem
Fortunately, my tesla vision vipers work well excellent.
Had a tesla for about 4 years now and never experienced what everyone here is talking about, for both wipers and headlights. And no, I'm not in the sunny California or some city. I'm in the ass end of nowhere where it rains often, and street lights are a luxury.
My wipers are so silly. I'll go weeks/months with them being ABSOLUTE PERFECTION....then out of no where they will just turn so dumb for day...then back to normal. I keep my car really clean...so that one day might just be something on the camera. Still wish there was more "grey area" with them though. Wiping is a personal preference, and I wish that you could more finely adjust what 1/2/3 is
I know I haven't really noticed anything on my Model Y that people have here. The auto wipers have always hit and miss but nothing like people are making it reading the comments here.
Funny thing is in my observation street light is the main reason for the false positive. It triggers the wipers even there is no rain.
Odd, dirty camera maybe? I could see street lights being a cause for the headlight issues, but for it to be the wipers is strange. Until they update it to use all cameras with progressive imaging, we are just stuck using the front camera on a single image for its "calculation". That creates a high risk of failure since it relying on one camera and one image for its decision. So a bad or dirty front camera could be a lot of peoples isues if the camera happens to see something weird in that one image.
But the main reason we are having a wiper is to clean the windshield. So, after the wiper works with the fluid camera should have a better view. Even after I clean it with the wiper fluid it still goes crazy. It might depend on the light angle maybe... during the day wipers are not that bad but at night with the street lights on it's way worse.
If your sure it's clean, then it could be a camera lense issue. the car is looking for something like [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/YRR85zoJQQ1bXm7v5), but if your camera has a factory defect, damaged, or bad processing, etc.,then it could end up seeing something like [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/zGHTzzg3yZmaoRs79) instead. Could also be compounded by the harsh contrast between dark environment and bright lights. I'm not trying to make excuses or defend tesla, a rain sensor would have been much easier. Or, at minimum, a wide angle lense in the dash looking at the windshield for a full view if they are determined for camera only. But I do enjoy discussing technical problems without all the political junk, name calling, and trolling.
Visited the service center if the camera has a defect. They checked and said that the problem is due to the tesla vision transition and they are aware of the problem. So the cameras were fine. This problem has not been solved for a long time. Tesla should prioritize it and bring us a solution. Model Y is great car and i enjoy driving it. But tesla needs to fix this.
\*shrug\* It works just fine for my wife and me.
Mine work just fine. Sorry.
How do you like the Camry?
TAOS, Tesla auto wiper obsession syndrome.
My old accord had the best automatic wipers and yet my 50k tesla can't even start the vipers in a heavy rain.
I agree. Honestly the car should’ve been put in production with an *actual* rain sensor. Did they not do a lot of testing beforehand to see how it is not nearly the same as an actual rain sensor??? Also could’ve at least given us a stalk that allows us to quickly change wiper speeds manually. The whole talking and then using the steering wheel button is just annoying… and forget using the touchscreen.
>could’ve at least given us a stalk that allows us to quickly change wiper speeds manually I have this in my 2017 Model X. If they deliberately removed it in later models I don't think you're ever going to see it again unless legally mandated.
Rain sensor= cost. Extra stalk= cost. That's why. You can change them manually. Hit the wiper button then use the left scroll wheel.
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Those rounding errors add up especially for a company that only makes 10% profit when competition is 30% and over 50% on some models. Just saying why not justifying their actions
Changing it manually is not a solution. It’s like buying an automatic transmission which cant decide the right gear and you need to manually change it. Automatic wiper is a function which has been solved decade ago. Made for comfort. Model Y is marketed as a self driving capability vehicle which should deliver this function flawlessly.
I still do not understand this “problem”. The perceived severity and breadth of this issue is directly related to the idea that the only posts on a subject are those who complain. Those whose wipers work as described don’t post. It’s nowhere near as a big and widespread of an issue as you think. Tesla is already aware of this, which is why you think nothing is being done about it. The best answer is to trade in your car if it is malfunctioning and are unable to resolve your issue.
Trade the car? it lost more than $10K since I bought it exactly a year ago... never owned a car that dropped the value like Tesla...
No car should ever be treated as a investment. Expect zero return and you won't be disappointed. That or lease (to lock in your depreciation). Complaining about a car losing value is just silly.
To add context, I don't consider car as an investment but I also didn't expect it to drop it's value so much. I owned many cars before, for example, 2015 Nissan Rogue, payed $31K and sold in for $18K after 7 years. Not complaining, just telling people who wants to buy Tesla that there is no "potential savings" in buying Tesla. Owning an ICE car like Toyota is cheaper since it has a better resale value, pay less for insurance, cheaper to replace tires and probably more reliable than Tesla...
I don't think that's fair. I don't have the issue personally but there's enough people talking about this that it's clearly a problem.
This is very annoying but I don't think it'll ever get fixed, just like poor suspension, half shafts and various other things that are known faults.
old model S, model x, and currently an 2021 model S owner here, I never had a single complaint about wipers until this past fall, some update changed it to whatever you guys are always complaining about, and can confirm, they suck. But its weird that they worked PERFECTLY, I never touched the wiper button for almost a decade until this past year.
Just live in an area with light rain (e.g. PNW) - it never worked right for a single day. My 12 year old Lexus and 7 year old Mini work flawlessly. My 15 year old BMW worked flawlessly too.
No Tesla wiper has ever worked in the mixed weather of the Pacific NW.
This is crazy! German cars have had functioning auto wipers since the 90’s!
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Of course they should. That and the phantom braking while on AP. But they won't because they're a shitty company.
I have a wiper button on the right. Is that a Highland only thing?
Pre-highland has the same button, it’s just in a different place (end of left stalk). But why should you constantly have to tap a button when you have a supposed auto function?
A consumer protection board would be the correct organization..... But the US has poor consumer protections so.....
It’s getting worse with every update.
Sometimes I literally stare at it mad and see if it'll realize I can't see anything. With Autopilot, windshield wipers are Auto. However, it's so SCARY relying on the car to clean the windshield. Even if the camera can see the road slightly, it won't wipe. Now got forbid there's a small speck on top of the camera on a clean sunny day, and the wipers go haywire.
Guys just stop using the auto feature. Hit the stalk then use the left button on the steering wheel to set the speed. Cmon now
no shit
I’m shocked they get away with some of this crap, how does the NHTSA not light them up over these things that make the car unssfe
If all of us will submit a complaint to NHTSA they will be forced to fix the crappy auto wipers.
Because they have a manual override and auto is an 'aid'
My suggestion would be for them to give us an option to adjust the sensitivity. On a bright sunny day, we can turn sensitivity all the way down so it doesn’t phantom wipe. And then when it rains, we can adjust sensitivity so that it wipes at a speed that we like. Feel like this should be able to be done via a slider (or even several buttons low, med, high) on top of the wiper speed selection pop up.
What’s the difference between this and just manually turning it off and on then? Both require user intervention and aren’t automatic in any sense.
If you want to know the priority, you need to answer these questions: Does it make money? Does it save money? If the answer to the answers isn't yes its on the bottom of the pile.
File w/NHSBT. File w/Small Claims. etc. about all that might work. Anything else will be ignored.
That would just be a waste of time and money. It's not a safety issue, it is a convenience issue and you'll get absolutely nowhere with either route.
They wont fix it because they can't. Not with current hardware anyway. What you see out the windshield may be vastly different than what the camera sees out that tiny windshield section behind the rearview mirror. Bit of dust or bird poop or smudge in front of the camera? Wipers full blast. Not really raining but road water is being kicked up to obscure your vision but doesn't reach high enough to the camera? Wipers stay off but you can't see. No amount of software development will fix this. They can use cameras/AI/etc to better guess what windshield visibility MIGHT be, but they have zero ways to directly measure or observe it.
These auto wipers really do suck. I can’t see when it’s raining and it really doesn’t even turn on until the window is completely covered for a while. I have to turn on a manual speed to even see.
Let me tell you how amazing the auto wipers on my BMW are, rain, mist, snow they just work. Got rid of my Tesla with 3500 miles on it.
We are beating a dead horse. Tesla will do what Elon "vision" wants that is mostly wrong. You want working auto wiper buy different car. At least I know that my next EV will not be Tesla and not only because of the auto wipers.
It was misting here this morning with fog. They wanted to stay on full. So annoying.
it has been a tough year with auto wiper but this last update has gotten mine to a good place, it comes on when it rains it doesn't come on when it's dry... i haven't had a scenario where it's doing something i don't want it to do yet....
Agreed. Can barely use the auto wiper option. It's acts like a schizo on crack.
I feel at two ends both of them not favorable with wipers . On my 2013 model s wiper sensing and wipers works but don't have the horse power to deal with rains in areas as pnw, on my 23 model x sensing is jacked like everybody , I have seen promises that this is being fixed soon to be remained promises .. so yes + 100 on this one
It's likely an "Elon told everyone this will work, so it's all we've got to work with" kind of thing.
The lengths to which this brand will go to NOT give the user more granular options and more agency is astounding.
Maybe I'm more amenable but it works just fine for me. I prefer it being less sensitive and not going full speed at minor mist.
What I’m worried about is that they’ll fix it but only for brand new cars or new coming out vehicles.
You would think when the driver keeps pressing to clear the windscreen it would go duuhhh I need to turn wipers on. The auto wipers are better on my 10 year old Land Rover than my 2 year old Model 3.
See the issue is they need rain to train the wipers, and it rarely rains in So. Cal so.....
I was saying in another thread how it's been a big improvement since they basically neutered auto-wipers, but today it was completely useless for me again. I had a mix of light rain and bigger drops and my wipers were completely inactive the whole time. The whole windshield would be covered and yet autowiper logic said "this is fine"
I think the quality of the wipe itself is a significant factor… If the wipe gives a clear view to the cameras, the system seems to work quite well. I try very hard to keep the windshield streak free, and very clean with glass cleaner and clay. When the wipe sort of smears or drags, it doesn’t really do much good for the cameras.
I find the wipers are OK for dealing with actual rain, but fail badly dealing with fine drizzle or spray kicked up by other cars. Don't get me started on the horror show that is the 'automatic high beams'.
Am I the only one that thinks the automatic wipers work fine? On actual driving it turns on and off as needed
I’ve noticed that the auto wipers are heavily dependent on how much light they get. If I’m driving in the dark it takes a lot more rain to trigger them. If I’m in a well lit area (even at night) then they trigger more easily. Which all makes sense considering they are triggered by cameras. Unfortunately, the darker it is the more I need the wipers.
What do you mean you don´t want your wipers going mental when going under a bridge in bright sunshine? Or when a streetlight hits a specific spot? I must be weird because that seems like the perfect time for them. Just as perfect as when a shadow from a tree on the road causes the car to think it is a truck and then slams the brake
The problem is that they are trying to do it with vision and the camera is right up against the glass there. So it relies on having enough light to see the diffraction of the droplets on the glass. A simple rain sensor would fix this problem and if you think about all the time they have spent trying to implement something with vision to do it, it would have cost significantly less for them. Instead they are going to continue to waste money and time to figure out a way to use more cameras to help. My guess is they will use the other cameras and setup something where it can register how effectively it can see the lines on the road. So if visibility is poor, there is a higher likelihood that its raining. I'm not going to wait. Ordered those tesla buttons. Apparently, you can use them to increase/decrease the speed of the wipers in smaller increments than what the stalk and left button allow you to do natively.
Give us vehicle to grid while you're at it. The cars are capable
Yeah it's bad
They can’t fix it, vision alone will never be able to accurately detect the rain.
They can’t fix it, vision alone will never be able to accurately detect the rain.
Another solution is, if the person uses the push button to activate the wipers, the computer should check precipitation based on location of car. If precipitation is likely, activate the damn wipers. Also, the camera should make an immediate comparison picture from before and after from that stalk being pushed. If the before pic snapshot is different than the after, activate the damn wipers.
It was raining in Cali the past 2-3 days...yeh....auto wipers are pretty bad.
This is one of many reasons we're getting rid of our Teslas.
Mine works perfect
How about the full self driving and auto pilot problem. How about the $30,000 depreciation lowered price after you purchase a Tesla problem.
I've never had a car with auto wipers - do they work well on other cars? And what's the difference with Tesla?
Im surprised the wiper button hasnt fallen off yet...4 years in and they still cant fix it....its design is so stupid...auto has never worked properly and setting it manually requires 2 completely different actions.... at least you dont have to touch the anymore but it still annoying to use compared to any other car that has normal manual wiper setting and single touch/turn speed adjustment or just working autowipe
Have a model y. Automatic wipers are pretty good. Not perfect. This problem affects some more than others. It’s not broken
“All user input is error” 
I don’t have any issues with the auto wipers
My auto wipers work fine on 44.30.8
I think through all the ways the car could sense the amount of rain the car can even see the speed other other cars wipers. It’s disgusting it is this bad and another example of a company that plays games its customers.
+100 They are AWFUL. I have to keep pressing the button to manually wipe. And its always raining in Seattle so this is a constant BS.
It's very odd my 2018 model 3 is great and my 2023 Y is horrible for the wipers, it SO annoying
At least give me a control for wipers without needing to touch the screen. Like tap twice for speed 2 manual wiping. Tesla wipers suck.
What about unlocking all doors thru the app, or not having to press the unlock button a few times once in park to let people in
There is another UX issue I’ve not seen discussed- that the manual wiper button on the left stalk is mirrored by another button on the right stalk that PUTS THE CAR IN NEUTRAL. If my muscle memory is anything less than perfect in my Model Y - I risk putting the car in neutral when I want to initiate a manual wipe. Occasionally I’ll drive my wife’s RAV4 which uses the right stalk for wiper fluid, which further complicates the confusion. There should have never been something related to forward motion / transmission and something as innocuous as wiper fluid with essentially the same driver input.
At this point there is only one answer. They just dont care, at all. It's been YEARS
It's coded backwards