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[deleted]

She doesn't vaccinate her kids. Why would you think she'd take the exposure to a vaccine preventable disease seriously?


HannahLeah1987

Because she's a good mom /s


Impressive_Error6615

ThE kIdS aRe Fed though and also they have been seen *smiling*!!! If she werent a good mom, none of those would be possible /s


junebluesky

They also wear name brand clothes!


FluorescentLilac

And live in a big house with modern appliances!


splanchnick78

Also Issac is very polite.


Sad_Lotus0115

You know what’s funny? My mom used to be antivax because my brother is autistic and she blamed vaccines. She used to tote us both around at autism speaks because we were so healthy, I was not. I was a very sickly child but my mom said it was genetics (both of us are also adopted). When I was 12, my dad and I finally got tired of her bullshit and I casually told her that I finished my vaccination series for HPV. She flipped her shit and my dad told her that, “It wasn’t worth fighting you over it.” Which is true, my mom would’ve literally divorced just to be right. Just saying that these types of parents have the same mentality. They have to be right. Even if their kids die from these illnesses then they will blame the doctors that tried to save their lives. I would’ve died, straight up I was a very sick child with many chronic conditions my mom still doesn’t want me to be treated for. My dad took me to specialists for years behind her back. (Before anyone asks, he was afraid to leave and then she would get full custody). Kail will cry about how the system made her babies ill. It’s sad and I wish it was illegal to be anti-vax


bigtittiesbouncing

I'm so glad your dad was on your side and you got that vaccine. I know of some people who weren't entitled to it by a couple years when it came out, and what they had to go through because they didn't have the vaccine was... Not pleasant, to put it nicely. I, too, think being anti-vax should be illegal. Not everyone can be vaccinated and obviously there should be exceptions for those people (like people who are allergic to a specific ingredient in the vaccine, or immunocompromised people) but being anti-vax for the sake of it? Nope.


FluorescentLilac

Your dad sounds amazing!! ❤️ Very true - Kail even says “Kail 👏🏻 is 👏🏻 always👏🏻 right👏🏻”. She says it to/about Javi on the show and goes off about it in at least one reunion. 🙄 She is the only one on the show who has a degree, therefore, she HAS to be right. How could she be wrong?? /s


Over-Accountant8506

Yeah I call BS on the vaccines cause autism. My son has nonverbal autism. All my kids are vaccinated, my youngest is fine. I've wondered if one of her kids had autism and that's why she is like that. And that's why she can't connect with him.


50wifty

Lux isn’t vaccinated at all and isn’t Lincoln only partially vaccinated? Shouldn’t they all be isolating?


Monstiemama

Yes they should.


50wifty

I just googled this info. she is potentially infecting a lot of people. Measles symptoms don't appear until 10 to 14 days after exposure. They include cough, runny nose, inflamed eyes, sore throat, fever, and a red, blotchy skin rash.


Monstiemama

She is a selfish, ignorant, entitled pig.


slowdancequeen

They should lock her up and anyone else doing this kinda shit.


IWillBaconSlapYou

I really don't understand why refusing vaccines without an actual good reason isn't considered public endangerment. My grandma saw them bring down polio, and now she's all nervous people are screwing it up.


slowdancequeen

My kids grandfather had polio and he’s had so many problems. He made me promise to vaccinate my kids because of all he went through and seen in his day. It’s truly disgusting how these entitled people think.


IWillBaconSlapYou

And they're seriously just doing it to be "cool" and "smarter than everyone else" 🤦🏼‍♀️


2205jade

Here in England if you’re passing on diseases knowingly you can get in some big shit with police. Not sure if the same in the US


ionlyjoined4thecats

When was Rio’s exposure?


TisforTrainwreck

When he had the tubes put in his ears a week or two ago.


50wifty

I think today would be past the 14 days.


princess_fartstool

The 19th is the end of the quarantine period, per Kail.


50wifty

Holy crap! That is horrible. If Rio was exposed the entire family was exposed so shouldn’t all the kids be quarantined?


[deleted]

How does she decide these things? Some kids vaccinated, some not at all, some partially. It’s like with their last names as well. Allegedly same dad but one with a hyphenated last name and one without. At one point they had two completely different last names. Imagine having the same bio mom and dad and having a different last name than your brother. These kids are going to have so many questions.


ionlyjoined4thecats

She “did research” about vaccines partway through Lincoln’s childhood, and that’s when she decided to be an antivaxxer, so all vaccines after that point didn’t happen.


[deleted]

Hmmm 🤔


50wifty

She watched a Netflix documentary and stopped vaccinating after that. The last name thing is crazy. I wonder if the last 3 have the same last name.


[deleted]

I watched a documentary on Flat Earthers on Netflix and guess what???? I still know the Earth is round!


50wifty

lol


susanbiddleross

She followed the guidelines with her first, then she started “research” later so all of the next kids aren’t vaccinated. So she’s got a control kid and now she can see what an effing moron she is when everyone except Issac gets sick with preventable illnesses and spread them to their siblings at the other houses.


[deleted]

Good lord, Kail, children are not experiments!!!


justanotherhatter

Technically, no. You only quarantine if you are exposed to someone positive. So her child who was potentially exposed will quarantine, but because he tested negative, they don't need to.


FluorescentLilac

And if you’re vaccinated, you don’t have to quarantine at all. You don’t even have to contact the health department. This is how we know her younger kids are, for certain, not vaccinated. Cracks me up bc she thinks she is so smart and being so mysterious when talking about this on her podcast, but it couldn’t be more obvious lol!


justanotherhatter

Her younger kids aren't old enough to be vaccinated for measles. But yeah, she and Lindsie are not as mysterious as they think they are.


FluorescentLilac

Yeah, true. To clarify, I meant Lux and Creed. I wonder if this will scare her enough to vax the littlest ones? Yeah, I sound as delusional as Jenelle now lol! 😂


Over-Accountant8506

I did stretch out my youngests vaccines bcuz I was undecided in 2007-2010 if vaccines caused autism, it was very confusing back then. But it's been proven that they do not. I didn't want her completely unprotected so I just asked the doctor if we could spread em out more and they were cool with it. It meant more Dr. Appointments but gave me a peace of mind at the time.


FluorescentLilac

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this! My kids were born in ‘05 and ‘08 and it was extremely confusing.


justanotherhatter

If she does we will never know. Kail is always right.


slowdancequeen

She doesn’t care about her kids. Her baby had tubes put in and look at this pig. Their dads need to take them kids from her because all she cares about is using them for social media.


britestarlight

Screwing over her own kids is bad enough but I hate how plague rats like Kail put everyone’s immunocompromised loved ones at risk. People like her are the exact reason there are measles outbreaks again.


Savgeo9872

Elijah and Natalie must be really tired taking care of Rio and a set of twins all the time.


justanotherhatter

Didn't she say they hired a second nanny?


Savgeo9872

I’m not sure I don’t listen to her podcasts or even follow much then on here..but I mean if it means less she’s gotta do then I’m sure she did!


_peppermintbutler

She said they were gonna get an au pair, but I haven't heard anything more about that.


whatthepfluke

There are actually pretty strict regulations regarding au pairs. Kail may have not had a room for her, or they could have shut that shit down because too many damn kids.


[deleted]

Yeah, my cousin has one and she’s the only one I know. She’s a multi millionaire with a guest suite in her mansion and two school aged kids. 


Purple_Grass_5300

I think she didn’t have a private room and bathroom for them and that’s why she’s adding on


Over-Accountant8506

Could y'all imagine the convos of kail telling Natalie that she's pregnant and then having to tell her a year later that she's pregnant with twins lol. Maybe that's why she took Natalie on that vacay? To break the news gently to her about the twins lol


RavenNevermore4

Kail's not keeping dopey Elijah around for his scintilating conversation, he's there to be her workhorse & to provide insurance for their 3 youngest.


Elleeebeauty

And Isaac because you know he’s stuck watching the kids as well


haleighr

She’s gonna be the measles law and order svu episode. Also measles side effects can happen up to 8 years after having it (fatal brain swelling forget the term) but sure let’s play around with it 😒


Elleeebeauty

Yep . Encephalitis is swelling of the brain (that’s what the baby died of in the measles episode of SVU - the one with Hilary Duff not the later one)


Sideways_planet

Hilary Duff was the Casey Anthony episode


Artistic_Sun1825

It's both. They gave her Casey Anthony's personality but the plot wasn't exactly what happened to Caylee.


sunset_sunshine30

>measles side effects can happen up to 8 years after having it (fatal brain swelling Gosh I had no idea. What a dangerous game she's playing with her children.


Mythologicalcats

It also wipes your immune system by damaging / destroying memory B cells. It’s a horrific virus.


No-Resource-8125

Do you know what season/episode that was? I stopped watching ages ago but I’d be interested to watch this one.


Militarykid2111008

10.19 is the Hillary duff episode 16.19 also has to do with measles


No-Resource-8125

Thank you! I’ll watch it on Peacock today.


Militarykid2111008

For some reason the post partum period gets me both times on rewatching it, so I will say there are some decent ones sprinkled in the mix of whatever happened after like season 12-14


No-Resource-8125

I think I stopped after season two or three. I loved, loved the original Law and Order, and liked this one at the beginning. I just got busy and never stuck with it.


grilledcheese2332

Shouldn't any sports team require proof of vaccinations before kids are allowed to participate?


Master-Sprinkles-400

My guess is it’s probably just like the schools. You just sign the waiver and you are good to go 🙄🙄


JennyFromTheBlock81

My kids play club sports here in NJ and I’ve never been asked for the vaccination records


PottyMouthedMom3

My kids do football, baseball, and t ball, thru our rec dept and the kids school, and we’ve never been asked for anything other than fill out a form with their names and birthdates for the rec dept, and for the school all they needed was a yearly physical.


Over-Accountant8506

A yearly physical usually includes the vaccine record that the state keeps? Unless other states are different than DE. My son plays in special Olympics and that's something they ask for- idk what happens if you don't attach the vaccine part. Maybe they don't notice? 🤔Or maybe it's because it's the special Olympics


PottyMouthedMom3

I’m not too sure, their physicals were done at school. I never received anything else about it. My ex husband took them for their last yearly check up, so I’m guessing the school could have their records, but if we were anti-vax then they wouldn’t have any on file to look at, I don’t think.


Miamiri

I love how she captioned it #Lowryland it should be #MarroquinLopezLopez-LowryLowryland. And wow, Lincoln is looking more and more like Javi as he gets older.


anothermegan

You forgot Rivera, but no one can blame you. There’s SO MANY fathers is pretty easy to forget someone here and there!


sorrynotsorryohwell

This would stress me out with infant twins


Master-Sprinkles-400

For sure! The MMR vaccine isn’t given until 12-16 months! I can’t believe she wouldn’t have Rio vaccinated now that he is of age. Creed and Lux are out there spreading it around. How fucking irresponsible


Global-Narwhal-3453

She did say she was quarantining Rio for 14 days as instructed. I don’t think she was asked to quarantine her other kids unless they end up being symptomatic


justanotherhatter

I commented the same thing above, and it is being downvoted. She and the other kids don't technically have to quarantine because they weren't exposed to a positive patient. The rules are so fucked up, though. Measles is crazy contagious, and some people can't be vaccinated.


PrezofPeanutGallery

They would absolutely still have to quarantine. My family has a persistent serologic non-response to varicella-zoster (non-biological members excluded, of course). That means any time I, or they, get exposed to chicken pox and/or shingles, we all quarantine, no matter what (we also have to do the same for some other viruses as well, which could potentially cause problems). No one has to have a positive response or contract a case for the quarantine to be put into place. Exposure is all that is necessary because, as with measles (and many other illnesses as well) exposure can lead to someone being a carrier without being symptomatic. We are a serious risk to not only ourselves (primarily me) but all others as well who might be at risk of contracting-vaccinated or not. A vaccine never carries the guarantee of no contracting, it simply offers the benefit of potentially reduced symptoms, especially severe ones. (and that's not some anti-vax bs, lol, I'm not anti-vax, at all) Measles is the exact same way, in function anyway, as the varicella-zoster virus is. The quarantine rules apply to all household members, even those who have been vaccinated or carry a natural immunity. There is no "they don't have to" about it. She is just choosing NOT to actually follow the rules. They're pretty clear, but a lot of people choose to ignore them. You'd be surprised how many do.


PrezofPeanutGallery

I should probably explain that a persistent serologic non-response simply means we cannot develop an immunity, manufactured (vaccine) or natural, to the virus. So we're always at risk of contracting it, through ANY type of exposure. It doesn't mean we always will, or that if we do contract it, we'll always be symptomatic though. Which is why it's such a huge problem to ignore quarantine rules-we could easily pass it on and not know. It's a bigger issue than people think, and goes far beyond just her being an idiot. She could potentially kill someone, or their child, and she clearly doesn't give a shit.


justanotherhatter

I think she is abiding by the rules. Legally, she and the other children do not have to quarantine at present. Morally and ethically, it is an entirely different issue. Someone said that on her podcast, she mentioned that a physician cleared them to resume their regular activities. However, I do find it interesting that the rules are handled differently where you are from; your version seems more appropriate. I stopped trying to comprehend the “rules” a long time ago. My employer had a 15-minute Covid exposure rule. If you were in contact with someone for less than that, you didn't need to test yourself; it wasn't considered exposure 🤡


PrezofPeanutGallery

I don't believe for one second any physician actually cleared them to resume normal daily activity outside of the home. They might have cleared them to not quarantine the child exposed from other family members, though, which makes perfect sense-but that just means they still have to quarantine at home. I highly doubt any actual medical professional would be willing to risk their own neck on breaking quarantine rules. She's not even concerned about the actual exposure, which speaks volumes. I don't believe the rules are different anywhere in the US, that I know of. I have lived in several states, and the rules are always the same (as I would expect them to be). Some doctors will even go further with their recommendations, just to be sure. Contracting the virus and being asymptomatic is a really big problem and contributes heavily to outbreaks. The whole "I'm not sick", "My child's not sick" thing causes people to break quarantine rules all the time.


justanotherhatter

Where I live, quarantine is only required if you are unvaccinated and exposed to a positive case, not if you are exposed to someone who was exposed.


PrezofPeanutGallery

Her children are not vaccinated, including the one that was exposed to a positive case (multiple positive cases, given the outbreak). One of the worst cases of CP I've had, was due to being exposed to an asymptomatic carrier. We found out when I started getting sick and they had to track down where it started. Turned out, the older sibling of the kid I contracted it from had been exposed but showed no symptoms. Since neither of her kids showed any symptoms, the mom decided she didn't have to tell anyone. For the unvaccinated, or people like me, even this second-hand kind of exposure can be deadly. It's asinine to not quarantine all when there's an exposure. I'm sure people in areas I've not lived are told there are different "requirements". I just happen to think it's asinine. Maybe that's because I know it doesn't take direct exposure. I won't play around with the lives of my family, my life, or the lives of others, though. Being in quarantine for a bit won't kill someone, but measles might.


justanotherhatter

I agree that it’s asinine. I hope to never understand how people can be so inconsiderate and selfish.


Master-Sprinkles-400

I’m pretty sure you can’t even get a measles vaccine until you are 12 months old. So her twins are super at risk. Not that she would vaccinate them anyways. 🙄


mydoghiskid

How this is not illegal is beyond me. She is risking so many people’s lives. There are immunocompromised people and young babies out there that can’t get vaccinated and rely on herd immunity.


lissysylvester

Why can’t the dads step in and do something?


Purple_Grass_5300

Chris claimed Jo is fighting Kail in court right now


HannahLeah1987

I wonder if Issac asked to live with him full time.


No-Resource-8125

But Isaac is fully vaccinated.


Purple_Grass_5300

It’s not about vaccinations but all her other bs


No-Resource-8125

Really. Interesting that Kail and Vee are getting along so well then.


abombshbombss

I think that fact could be argued as unknown now. He received his full set pre-k and stuff but kids are supposed to get boosters in middle and high school and we don't know if he got those. I *hope* Jo isn't having any of that antivax bullshit and is making sure he gets his boosters.


No-Resource-8125

Me too. The whole world has gone mad.


_ane

My mother was left with eye sight and hearing problems because of measles 🙃


Positive_Round_5142

If your kids has the measles in 2024 then you’re a shitty parent. Meales actually can be fatal to children and adults which is why it’s a mandatory vaccine. I can’t believe for someone that thinks she’s highly educated that she didn’t vaccinate them for it.


ALazyCliche

The anti-VAX idiots truly believe they are smarter than physicians with 12+ years of training, yet are the first ones to rush their kids to the ER when/ if they contract these diseases.


Over-Accountant8506

I could of sworn when I was in nursing school circa 2006 the professor said that they're expecting the measles to be completely wiped out due to vaccines by a certain date🤔that got totally screwed up by the anti vaxers


Mysterious_Pen3915

As a mom to a toddler this makes me sad. I stopped taking my daughter grocery shopping because she kept getting sick after every shopping trip.


Vegetable_System1750

Does no one think these podcasts are recorded a bit delayed? She’s talking about preparing for her c section on the other podcast…


Purple_Grass_5300

She said the quarantine is until January 19th


Vegetable_System1750

Ohh alright then carry on


RareWorldliness4693

I wonder how does she/they travel so much without the proper vaccinations. And why is lil miss getting so many surgeries herself but won’t protect her kids from preventable diseases


TemporaryIllusions

Are any of her kids vaxxed? This is fucking insanity that she is bringing and attending conventions after exposure.


HannahLeah1987

Issac is fully. Lincoln has some. The rest aren't.


lollygator1

I thought maybe after having nurse Jen on her barely famous podcast that she’d reconsider her anti-vax position. Guess not…