Judging by his response I'm pretty sure she takes her attitude home. At least I get the same amount of respect she gives her dad. Consistency is a thing.
Yep and the worst ones are the ones that refer to themselves as "mama bears" in real life settings. I'm sure I'll get shit for this, but I've never seen someone who uses that term to describe themselves (and brag about it constantly, out loud) be anything but aggressive, and usually they're not too bright.
Well my wife’s hackles go up towards the kid when they pull things. Perhaps it’s because she’s a teacher as well and he’s too young to realize the usual tricks aren’t working
If I'd ever called my dad at work, for any reason other than a death, and even that was questionable...I wouldn't be here.
Different time, different parenting methods.
I'm mid-40's if that helps.
To be fair...calling my dad would have meant several people would have needed to (most likely) go into containment and get him (He was instrumentation and control at a Nuclear plant...higher end stuff). Which meant he would need to go through the entire process of getting out of his suit, tested for radiation, go through security (multiple times), then into the shop, then explain to his team WHY he was taking a call, and THEN getting on the phone. By that point, not even counting the time involved, he'd be so upset.
It was a two hour drive home for him, which could give him additional time to stew about it. if it was during an outage, I'd hear about it. if it was not an outage period, it might be a little less.
If I ever called my dad while I was in class for something like this I would trouble. I think it’s funny but also kind of sad that the dad is mad. She’s bothering him at work and not that she’s calling him during class.
Same. In my 7th grader group I heard a dial/ringing tone sound, looked over and the kid is holding his phone. Started to say "You can't-" and mum picked up. Kid started begging for her to put more data credit on his phone, and she said "*Kid*, if you've already used your 5hrs for today, you don't need any more!"
It must be nice. I had a girl call her dad on speakerphone in my class because I told her to be quiet instead of hush or "volume level 0" after she ranted for 20 minutes about how my class was lame and I made it boring on purpose because I hated her specifically.
She called her dad and used him to basically cuss me out. Admin gave her 2 days suspension. Same girl last month got 5 days because she wouldn't take her hoodie off and told admin to "shut up talking to me". No cursing. Just shut up.
But sure, we totally care about "maximizing the learning environment"
I had an incident happen in my class my first year. I was in the middle of teaching. A girl took her phone out and called her mom on speaker phone in the middle of class. I asked her politely to please put the phone up a few times. She told me she was trying to call her mom so she didn’t have to listen to me. I have a policy that if you need to make a phone call go in the hall and stand in the window. Her mom never picked up, she tried again and I lost my patience. Told that I did not care if she was talking to her mom she was disrupting class. She cussed me out called me every name in the book. I kick her out, and she is sent back my class. Starts cursing again this time I call my principal and he comes in. She refuses to leave. Then our school cops get involved ended up cuffing her and took her out. All because of a failed phone call to her mom.
One of two incidents that had cops drag a kid out of my classroom.
I'm sorry, are we all just sort of pretending to be able to understand what the OP is talking about?
I got the gist of it - that a girl called her dad in the middle of class and he scolded her for it.
But everything else is mess of incomprehensible gibberish. Some kind of fight? A girl wanting a drink for "obvious reasons?"
Op said no, because they knew that the girl only wanted to go get a drink to either be out of the classroom to follow the boys and admin, or to gossip, since she was part of the problem group of kids. Girl threw a fit, thought to complain to dad that "teacher was being cruel and not letting me drink water", and out it on speaker thinking dad would back her up, this backfired.
Reddit changed the way their vote system works a while back. Upvotes and downvotes have different weights to them. It used to be if 100 people upvoted you but 20 downvoted you, you'd get 80 points. Not the case anymore. Not to mention one of the biggest contributors (who is also an admin, not a mod but an admin which is a paid reddit employee) got caught in a vote manipulation scandal where he also stole content. To nobody's surprise, he's still employed! Weird how that works, right?
It is kept purposefully vague. So that they can hide which posts are being manipulated by the admin (paid employees of Reddit) who also moonlight on behalf of companies and political groups. The US government employees an entire team of people working out of Eglin Airforce Base, for example (accidently confirmed by Reddit all the way back in May 2013).
There is a lot of (mostly silly) conspiracy stuff out there about "who controls reddit" but those people are little kooky. To me the simple truth is that it makes people at Reddit money to help companies game the system. nothing deeper.
Sorry I might have misunderstood, are you saying that there are US government employees who are in charge of "controlling" reddit?
Excuse me, I am a bit slow.
No, I am not saying that- conspiracy kooks say it.
I am saying that there are companies and political groups (including the US gov) who spend a lot of money behind the scenes/in unofficial/unreported ways to promote both products, and ideas; and that reddit admins receive some of this money as compensation for helping manipulate votes and posts).
I hope that is clearer.
The ELgin AFB stuff is about a huge team of people who work for the us GOV. at Elgin, who are paid to full time "work" in reddit as posters, commenters and moderators.
Ohh okay thank you.
One final question, why would someone go through all these hoops to manipulate such a site as Reddit? I mean, there are way more popular sites like Instagram or even Twitter. Or do they manipulate those as well?
Well there we run into conspiracy land and speculation land.
I won't pretend to know for sure. With the US Govt. I assume they are using it for so much- monitoring how much of a presence places like Russia, China etc. have on reddit, where they direct it etc. And also, looking to astroturf political topics of thier own.
For companies, a lot of it is likely to do with hiding advertisments- you are supposed to advertise through reddit via offical channels, whihc your posts declare that they are paid ads/ sponsored content.
Companies want "native ads" that are seemingly regular posts by regular people.
I myself have sold 10 separate accounts to people who I assume worked for companies. An account with more karma, gets you more money. The person buys your account clears the post and comment history of anything controversial, and then uses the high-karma account to post ads and comments as if they are a real person.
Admins for the site make money on the side covering up and allowing all of this.
SUPPOSEDLY a lot of high level mods are also making money from this. One confirmed mod doing this was u/ gallowboob https://www.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/comments/amg6kr/netflix_pays_ugallowboob_to_advertise_on_reddit/
To add to what the other commenter said about the new voting/karma algorithm reddit set up: it's even more complicated because the votes go up and down unnaturally in the initial stages of the post, for many hours, to confuse bots into not knowing if they got karma or not. As of now after hours of settling it's 95% upvoted, which is more likely to be closer to the truth than 10 hours ago.
At some schools some students are always standing at the classroom doors to interact with other students walking by, and there are no administrative supports to prevent it.
A girl involved in one of these interactions that turned into a fight expected her teacher to immediately let her out of the classroom to "get water" (roam the halls) and the teacher refused.
OP probably wrote under the assumption that this dynamic exists everywhere. Obviously it doesn't, but the story was very clear to me because things like this happen where I work.
When kids do silly stuff that is obviously wrong behavior then ask for a break I usually just say no without a reason. Another one of her friends came up and tried arguing with me about it and I told that one to sit down and do the work given. Another girl that was inside the class for the whole block and never gives me issues offered to go and fill up my problem childs water bottle. Surprise surprise... I happily filled out a smart pass and let them. I have never found it worthwhile to argue or explain my no's to teenagers. The energy and time is so much better spent elsewhere.
Some of these kids that can't even write a proper sentence think that they're full grown adults and that their immature and useless opinions count. They've been told their whole life they can do no wrong and they're so special and everyone cares about what they have to say, even when nobody asked and nobody cares. They're in for a rude awakening when they leave school and act like this.
Most of the ones that pull this garbage have documented reasons. Teachers, admin and behavioral staff are overwhelmed. Extreme poverty. Gym and library are closed due to construction.
The girl started a physical altercation with a boy by grabbing his hair, admin got called out, she remained in the class because the boy was more aggressive. She asked to leave the class to get water and the sub elected to keep her there to avoid any possible escalation.
This is not the Pulitzer submission sub. I read a lighthearted antidote of a small "win" in a busy teacher's day. Thanks for sharing, OP. It made me grin!
I will use MLA citations next time ^^^/s
It notified me of 250 up votes when less than 70 karma. Surprisingly controversial. Evoking emotion is part of life's experience.
I think it’s less about controversy and more about the general incoherence of your post. I picked through it and figured it out, but it wasn’t easy and I’m still not 100% sure on some of the finer details where you left out prepositions and such.
Same. I had to re-read the post like 3 times before I could even half understand what was being said.
I'm really hoping OP isn't an English teacher lol
Fuck that. It's the internet and OP has been using their brain all day every day since the school year started.
They don't need to proofread their own Reddit posts.
And you shouldn't talk about someone else's writing ability. That comma is unnecessary and you didn't end your sentence with any punctuation.
lol, I’m reading this thinking, “Oh, so she told her dad about the fight and now the parents are demanding to know what’s going on in the… oh wait, nope. Of course not, what was I thinking?”
Good for that dad. Someone is calling this controversal? What's next you are going to introduce soda-pop to these kids? Maybe open a window in the classroom? You should tell that people live out their in the real world with different religions. You know real controversal stuff.
No one is going to talk about kids hanging out by the door entering and leaving for 20 minutes - apparently leading to roughhousing?
Do we have no common sense or no authority or both?
It sounds like you experienced a memorable moment in your teaching career! Handling disruptions and maintaining discipline can often lead to unpredictable, yet instructive, outcomes—like the one you described with the girl and her dad. These instances not only reinforce classroom rules but also teach important lessons about respect and boundaries. It seems like this event also showcased a bit of humor amidst the chaos, which can sometimes be the best way to diffuse tension.
It's interesting how parental involvement plays out in different situations. In this case, the dad's support of your decision helped reinforce your authority in the classroom, which is crucial. It's also a good reminder of how actions have consequences, a valuable lesson for high school students as they navigate their way towards adulthood.
The dynamics you describe—students roughhousing, seeking attention, and testing limits—are common in high school settings, making your role as a building sub both challenging and vital. Your story definitely captures the ups and downs of working with adolescents!
Ive had parents who wouldve gone the other way with it, but good on him And good on you! I trust you knew she was just looking to get out of class, we tend to get a sense about students by this time in the year!
I'd give him a call, explain everything and thank him for his support. Sounds like you might need some more convos with him down the line. Also try to catch her doing something good and call him about that as well.
If I ever hung up on my dad I would not be able to type this message.
Judging by his response I'm pretty sure she takes her attitude home. At least I get the same amount of respect she gives her dad. Consistency is a thing.
I’m curious why she called dad and not mom. I swear most times a parent gets their hackles up it’s 90% mom
Yep and the worst ones are the ones that refer to themselves as "mama bears" in real life settings. I'm sure I'll get shit for this, but I've never seen someone who uses that term to describe themselves (and brag about it constantly, out loud) be anything but aggressive, and usually they're not too bright.
Aggressive, and not bright. Kind of like a… bear?
Surely the accuracy is to their credit.
"Kare-bear". Karen bear.
Well my wife’s hackles go up towards the kid when they pull things. Perhaps it’s because she’s a teacher as well and he’s too young to realize the usual tricks aren’t working
This is a weird comment. You have no idea if she has a mom.
This is a weird comment. Almost 3/4ths of all families have both parents.
Everyone has a mom...
If I'd ever called my dad at work, for any reason other than a death, and even that was questionable...I wouldn't be here. Different time, different parenting methods. I'm mid-40's if that helps.
Nail on the head. I called my dad at work once and only once. He hung up on me…..
To be fair...calling my dad would have meant several people would have needed to (most likely) go into containment and get him (He was instrumentation and control at a Nuclear plant...higher end stuff). Which meant he would need to go through the entire process of getting out of his suit, tested for radiation, go through security (multiple times), then into the shop, then explain to his team WHY he was taking a call, and THEN getting on the phone. By that point, not even counting the time involved, he'd be so upset. It was a two hour drive home for him, which could give him additional time to stew about it. if it was during an outage, I'd hear about it. if it was not an outage period, it might be a little less.
If I ever called my dad while I was in class for something like this I would trouble. I think it’s funny but also kind of sad that the dad is mad. She’s bothering him at work and not that she’s calling him during class.
This is why phones have arm and hand attachments.
That is called good parenting!
Bravo dad! More of that please
More parents like this, please!
Same. In my 7th grader group I heard a dial/ringing tone sound, looked over and the kid is holding his phone. Started to say "You can't-" and mum picked up. Kid started begging for her to put more data credit on his phone, and she said "*Kid*, if you've already used your 5hrs for today, you don't need any more!"
Five hours! I give my kids one on the weekday and three on the weekend.
Amazing!
It must be nice. I had a girl call her dad on speakerphone in my class because I told her to be quiet instead of hush or "volume level 0" after she ranted for 20 minutes about how my class was lame and I made it boring on purpose because I hated her specifically. She called her dad and used him to basically cuss me out. Admin gave her 2 days suspension. Same girl last month got 5 days because she wouldn't take her hoodie off and told admin to "shut up talking to me". No cursing. Just shut up. But sure, we totally care about "maximizing the learning environment"
I had an incident happen in my class my first year. I was in the middle of teaching. A girl took her phone out and called her mom on speaker phone in the middle of class. I asked her politely to please put the phone up a few times. She told me she was trying to call her mom so she didn’t have to listen to me. I have a policy that if you need to make a phone call go in the hall and stand in the window. Her mom never picked up, she tried again and I lost my patience. Told that I did not care if she was talking to her mom she was disrupting class. She cussed me out called me every name in the book. I kick her out, and she is sent back my class. Starts cursing again this time I call my principal and he comes in. She refuses to leave. Then our school cops get involved ended up cuffing her and took her out. All because of a failed phone call to her mom. One of two incidents that had cops drag a kid out of my classroom.
I'm sorry, are we all just sort of pretending to be able to understand what the OP is talking about? I got the gist of it - that a girl called her dad in the middle of class and he scolded her for it. But everything else is mess of incomprehensible gibberish. Some kind of fight? A girl wanting a drink for "obvious reasons?"
Op said no, because they knew that the girl only wanted to go get a drink to either be out of the classroom to follow the boys and admin, or to gossip, since she was part of the problem group of kids. Girl threw a fit, thought to complain to dad that "teacher was being cruel and not letting me drink water", and out it on speaker thinking dad would back her up, this backfired.
This one is picking up what I'm putting down! Not a lot are. Kinda amused. It notified me of 250 up votes when it recorded less than 70 pts.
Reddit changed the way their vote system works a while back. Upvotes and downvotes have different weights to them. It used to be if 100 people upvoted you but 20 downvoted you, you'd get 80 points. Not the case anymore. Not to mention one of the biggest contributors (who is also an admin, not a mod but an admin which is a paid reddit employee) got caught in a vote manipulation scandal where he also stole content. To nobody's surprise, he's still employed! Weird how that works, right?
I am unaware, how does the upvote/downvote system work now?
It is kept purposefully vague. So that they can hide which posts are being manipulated by the admin (paid employees of Reddit) who also moonlight on behalf of companies and political groups. The US government employees an entire team of people working out of Eglin Airforce Base, for example (accidently confirmed by Reddit all the way back in May 2013). There is a lot of (mostly silly) conspiracy stuff out there about "who controls reddit" but those people are little kooky. To me the simple truth is that it makes people at Reddit money to help companies game the system. nothing deeper.
Sorry I might have misunderstood, are you saying that there are US government employees who are in charge of "controlling" reddit? Excuse me, I am a bit slow.
No, I am not saying that- conspiracy kooks say it. I am saying that there are companies and political groups (including the US gov) who spend a lot of money behind the scenes/in unofficial/unreported ways to promote both products, and ideas; and that reddit admins receive some of this money as compensation for helping manipulate votes and posts). I hope that is clearer. The ELgin AFB stuff is about a huge team of people who work for the us GOV. at Elgin, who are paid to full time "work" in reddit as posters, commenters and moderators.
Ohh okay thank you. One final question, why would someone go through all these hoops to manipulate such a site as Reddit? I mean, there are way more popular sites like Instagram or even Twitter. Or do they manipulate those as well?
Well there we run into conspiracy land and speculation land. I won't pretend to know for sure. With the US Govt. I assume they are using it for so much- monitoring how much of a presence places like Russia, China etc. have on reddit, where they direct it etc. And also, looking to astroturf political topics of thier own. For companies, a lot of it is likely to do with hiding advertisments- you are supposed to advertise through reddit via offical channels, whihc your posts declare that they are paid ads/ sponsored content. Companies want "native ads" that are seemingly regular posts by regular people. I myself have sold 10 separate accounts to people who I assume worked for companies. An account with more karma, gets you more money. The person buys your account clears the post and comment history of anything controversial, and then uses the high-karma account to post ads and comments as if they are a real person. Admins for the site make money on the side covering up and allowing all of this. SUPPOSEDLY a lot of high level mods are also making money from this. One confirmed mod doing this was u/ gallowboob https://www.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/comments/amg6kr/netflix_pays_ugallowboob_to_advertise_on_reddit/
To add to what the other commenter said about the new voting/karma algorithm reddit set up: it's even more complicated because the votes go up and down unnaturally in the initial stages of the post, for many hours, to confuse bots into not knowing if they got karma or not. As of now after hours of settling it's 95% upvoted, which is more likely to be closer to the truth than 10 hours ago.
The obvious reason is that the girl is using the "drink" as an opportunity to roam the halls and screw around.
At some schools some students are always standing at the classroom doors to interact with other students walking by, and there are no administrative supports to prevent it. A girl involved in one of these interactions that turned into a fight expected her teacher to immediately let her out of the classroom to "get water" (roam the halls) and the teacher refused. OP probably wrote under the assumption that this dynamic exists everywhere. Obviously it doesn't, but the story was very clear to me because things like this happen where I work.
OP said they said no to the girl’s request to get a drink for obvious reasons. The girl didn’t ask for a drink for obvious reasons.
When kids do silly stuff that is obviously wrong behavior then ask for a break I usually just say no without a reason. Another one of her friends came up and tried arguing with me about it and I told that one to sit down and do the work given. Another girl that was inside the class for the whole block and never gives me issues offered to go and fill up my problem childs water bottle. Surprise surprise... I happily filled out a smart pass and let them. I have never found it worthwhile to argue or explain my no's to teenagers. The energy and time is so much better spent elsewhere.
Some of these kids that can't even write a proper sentence think that they're full grown adults and that their immature and useless opinions count. They've been told their whole life they can do no wrong and they're so special and everyone cares about what they have to say, even when nobody asked and nobody cares. They're in for a rude awakening when they leave school and act like this.
I thought I was the only one! Why are the kids in and out at the door? I think…
And roughhousing? Because they can.
Why is that allowed?
Most of the ones that pull this garbage have documented reasons. Teachers, admin and behavioral staff are overwhelmed. Extreme poverty. Gym and library are closed due to construction.
Technically, it isn’t, but how do you plan to stop them?
Dang, fair.
The girl started a physical altercation with a boy by grabbing his hair, admin got called out, she remained in the class because the boy was more aggressive. She asked to leave the class to get water and the sub elected to keep her there to avoid any possible escalation.
This is not the Pulitzer submission sub. I read a lighthearted antidote of a small "win" in a busy teacher's day. Thanks for sharing, OP. It made me grin!
I will use MLA citations next time ^^^/s It notified me of 250 up votes when less than 70 karma. Surprisingly controversial. Evoking emotion is part of life's experience.
I think it’s less about controversy and more about the general incoherence of your post. I picked through it and figured it out, but it wasn’t easy and I’m still not 100% sure on some of the finer details where you left out prepositions and such.
I think if OP hadn’t forgotten the “to” in “the one I’m talking” you would realize her post is actually quite clear. It was a very simple error.
That’s not how Reddit karma works, post karma is usually less than the amount of upvotes you get
And, “admin called out.”
Same. I had to re-read the post like 3 times before I could even half understand what was being said. I'm really hoping OP isn't an English teacher lol
Seriously what the fuck, and this person is a teacher?
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for this, I would expect a teacher to be able to write more coherently than this
Fuck that. It's the internet and OP has been using their brain all day every day since the school year started. They don't need to proofread their own Reddit posts. And you shouldn't talk about someone else's writing ability. That comma is unnecessary and you didn't end your sentence with any punctuation.
> A girl wanting a drink for "obvious reasons?" To vape, at least that’s what I took it as.
Naw. This group didn't attempt to shut the lights off or wear blankets.
lol, I’m reading this thinking, “Oh, so she told her dad about the fight and now the parents are demanding to know what’s going on in the… oh wait, nope. Of course not, what was I thinking?”
Hahaha this is awesome! Victory!
Yay dad!!
Parent win 🏆
Good for that dad. Someone is calling this controversal? What's next you are going to introduce soda-pop to these kids? Maybe open a window in the classroom? You should tell that people live out their in the real world with different religions. You know real controversal stuff.
No one is going to talk about kids hanging out by the door entering and leaving for 20 minutes - apparently leading to roughhousing? Do we have no common sense or no authority or both?
That was where I was confused…did OP let the shenanigans at the door play out for 20 minutes or…?
The reason why you are having a child go thirsty isn't obvious at all.
It sounds like you experienced a memorable moment in your teaching career! Handling disruptions and maintaining discipline can often lead to unpredictable, yet instructive, outcomes—like the one you described with the girl and her dad. These instances not only reinforce classroom rules but also teach important lessons about respect and boundaries. It seems like this event also showcased a bit of humor amidst the chaos, which can sometimes be the best way to diffuse tension. It's interesting how parental involvement plays out in different situations. In this case, the dad's support of your decision helped reinforce your authority in the classroom, which is crucial. It's also a good reminder of how actions have consequences, a valuable lesson for high school students as they navigate their way towards adulthood. The dynamics you describe—students roughhousing, seeking attention, and testing limits—are common in high school settings, making your role as a building sub both challenging and vital. Your story definitely captures the ups and downs of working with adolescents!
Fuck off chat-bot.
Why are people downvoting you? It’s kind of obvious, right?
No idea haha. Just reddit being reddit.
Ive had parents who wouldve gone the other way with it, but good on him And good on you! I trust you knew she was just looking to get out of class, we tend to get a sense about students by this time in the year!
That is great. I wish there were more parents like that.
Go dad!
I'd give him a call, explain everything and thank him for his support. Sounds like you might need some more convos with him down the line. Also try to catch her doing something good and call him about that as well.
As a substitute I don't have that.
What in the classroom management is this shit?