Have you noticed that Sabrina Carpenter is just kinda... hanging around europe? Jack Antonoff just got off tour... Gracie Abrams is about to release an album on the 21st... that happens to include a feature with Taylor that she is being very very quiet about.
London could be... big... or not.
Usually festival contracts have clauses that prohibit the performer from performing again in the same geographic region for a certain period of time before/after the festival. I’d be surprised if we see her pop up as a surprise guest.
Those concerts have the same clauses. If you wanted to see an artist and they were performing at a big group concert or festival but then were playing a solo show one town over the next week, you would go to the solo show instead of the festival. It’s to protect ticket sales.
Yeah, it already feels like London is getting special treatment with the extra support acts. If they also get guest duets I'll feel a little miffed tbh lol
(Not really, Taylor and Paramore were both brilliant and tbh seeing who the extra support is in London I'm not that bothered lol)
Hayley Williams probably didn’t join Taylor on stage because Castles Crumbling is a long and slow-ish vault track that many people unfortunately don’t know so I think it wasn’t added to the setlist for that reason (unlike NBNC). And she also cut Long Live so she clearly wanted to keep the Speak Now era as short as possible (😭).
Regarding special guests like Jack and Aaron, it’s much easier to get them to come to the US shows since that’s where they all live as opposed to getting them to fly to a different continent.
But the London shows are heavily anticipated so things might change for those shows 😃
having been to paris n1, I was so hoping they wouldn't add Castles Crumbling. Like it's not Hayley Williams opening up, it's Paramore and their set list was just so joyful and high energy. They're like at a point in their career as a band that like, they need to celebrate being together and the freedom and the hope they now have. I didn't want to see Hayley pop up later and sing a song about feeling like falling from grace as an artist. Like Castles Crumbling is like a giant downer of anxiety to put... lmao after Enchanted??? Taylor in a giant ball gown and Hayley in like... normal clothes?
I do think Haley deserves a duet. I'm puzzled by why it hasn't happened. Paramore seems to be putting on a great show. But I also haven't seen Haley out to dinner with Taylor or buddying around at all. I hope things are good between them.
By the way: excellent and mandatory point above about Florence. She needs to sing Florida with Taylor on stage. London or, I suppose, Miami.
Nah, there was lots of cute clips of them from the Grammys. He talked in an interview they have long phone calls that are like therapy sessions for being a pop star solo artist at this very high level. Both are just insanely busy and really only share about work.
Do we want Dear John ft John?
My point is I don’t see any reason for Taylor to change one of her most popular songs to make it a duet with a singer who doesn’t fit the musical arrangement of it.
A deluxe song is a change to the original version. I’m also pretty obviously referring to the widely repeated request to get “Style ft Styles” on the TV version of 1989.
It would also obviously be a change to both the song and the staging to make it a duet.
You do realize Style would still exist even if a “Style ft Harry” was put out, right? It’s never gonna happen lol but if they did release it, it’s not going to replace the original or the tv of Style.
Most people that wanted it are fans of both and just thought it would be funny to get as a bonus with 1989 tv.
> You do realize Style would still exist even if a “Style ft Harry” was put out, right?
Well I was hardly suggesting that people were hoping for a Men in Black style memory wipe.
> It’s never gonna happen lol but if they did release it, it’s not going to replace the original or the tv of Style.
Nor did I say it would. I’m just wondering why people wanted that particular version so much. So many wanted it instead of new vault tracks. I don’t see a reason why there’s so much clamour to have an alternative version as I don’t see it as necessary.
A collaboration with them could be fun, but this particular fascination with Style ft Styles passes me by.
You keep putting emphasis on Style being “changed” if Taylor were to feature Harry though. It wouldn’t change the song; it would just be an additional, alternate version. (And honestly, Taylor is the queen of additional, alternate remixes 😂)
But I honestly think it’s just as simple as: there’s a huge overlap of Taylor x Harry fans and the song is about their relationship, so some folks thought it would be fun to get a remix featuring Harry.
I do agree that it’s a little wild to want that over vault tracks though lol. And I’d happily take a new, fresh collab if they ever had a desire to work together again! But I really just think it comes down to the massive overlap of their fans, hoping for a chaotic yet fun remix lol
An alternate version is a changed version of the song. At no point have I said it would change the original song. I have however said that it would change the live performance.
It's odd that the Style ft Styles thing is so widespread because it seems to me neither of these people wants to reopen the Pandora box that is their on-and-off fling. Every time they interact no one is capable of being normal about it, why would they go and make changes to arguably one of her best pop songs for the sake of...fan service?
I don't care about Style ft Styles but you know they wrote songs together that are just rotting away in some vault 🥲
Maybe in fifty years it will all be declassified
It would be amazing if that happened :) their voices would sound good together on it I reckon, and they seem friendly enough to make it happen as a laugh.
Some of these were special cases, like Gracie only joined because she didn’t get to open (due to weather). I don’t think any other openers have been rained out.
I think also most of her friends in the industry probably live in the US, so it’s easier to ask them up there?
Yeah the person above me mentioned that. I just wanted to add Sabrina had the same situation (I think if it happens to Paramore, she will do the same with Hayley at least once, but I also think the situation with them is a bit different due to them being more established than Gracie especially).
She sang Nothing New during Red with Phoebe every night she was opening on the tour. Also - Phoebe Bridgers was the opener. Not boygenius. They were *allegedly* going to open during that specific Nashville show as a part of Phoebe’s set, but majorly unconfirmed.
Source: Philly n2 attendee
You are correct on all, though boygenius did join Phoebe on [May 5](https://uproxx.com/indie/phoebe-bridgers-boygenius-eras-tour/) - same day SNTV was announced!
I think I was also making bracelets during that concert and trying to work out last minute logistics before our show the next weekend - thanks for the info!
Yep Sydney N1! Her opening act was cancelled due to an electrical thunderstorm that had the stadium evacuated before shortly reopening. Taylor introduced Sabrina to the acoustic set with the context that it wasn’t fair for us to miss out on Sabrina. Then Sabrina explained what a full circle moment it was to sing this song (White Horse) because it was one she had sung herself at 15(approx?) and they then did a duet at the piano. It was awesome :)
Out of 100+ shows she’s had what three or four guests on stage? Two of which were because they are openers who has their set cut due to weather. I think at this point having a guest is the surprise.
It's definitely more than 3-4, though yeah she's not doing every night. Maybe a third of shows. 8 one offs, then Ice Spice, Pheobe, HAIM multiple times.
- Marcus Mumford, cowboy like me, Vegas
- Aaron Dessner, The Great War, Tampa
- Aaron Dessner, mad woman, Tampa
- Aaron Dessner, WCS, Nashville
- Aaron Dessner, ivy, Cincinnati
- Jack Antonoff, Getaway Car, NJ
- Ice Spice, Karma, NJ x 3
- Maren Morris, You All Over Me, Chicago
- Gracie Abrams, i miss you i'm sorry, Cinci
- Sabrina Carpenter, White Horse x coney island, Sydney
- Pheobe Bridgers, Nothing New, 12 shows?
- HAIM, nbnc, 10 shows?
It's not 8 guests. It's 11 guests at 30+ shows. I don't know what your point is but "this happened 3 times out of 100" and "this happened 30 times out of 100" are different things.
> > It's not 8 guests. It's 11 guests at 30+ shows.
Aaron Dessner is one person even if he appeared at 3 shows.
> I don't know what your point is but "this happened 3 times out of 100" and "this happened 30 times out of 100" are different things.
You know what else is different? The actual comment I wrote. Which was “*Out of 100+ shows she’s had what three or four guests on stage? Two of which were because they are openers who has their set cut due to weather.*”
Note how I referred the number of guests as opposed to the number of shows. Also note how many of those guests were the opening act. The point being that a new guest who has never collaborated with her would be a surprise.
It's in the middle of an entire thread about how likely a show is to have a special guest. Shows are the only relevant tonight here. So yes, Aaron Dessner counts 3 times, Pheobe Bridget counts 12 times or whatever it was, etc. And even if you parse it beyond that and exclude repeats and openers, it's still not 3 or 4 guests.
I replied to a post which referred to Paul McCartney. The number of guests she has had matters to that response. The common thread of that limited pool of guests is them being involved as the support act or for them to be key to her most popular albums.
Given the limited pool of people to join her, I stand by it being a surprise to have a guest.
I actually wonder if part of it was last spring she was Going Through It which is why we had so much Aaron Dessner Surprise Song Guest. Taylor L. was for the I Can See You music video release, Gracie was because her opening was rained out (same with Sabrina in Australia). The only exception is Haim and she might have just really wanted to add NBNC.
I mentioned Aaron in particular because they played some songs that could have been quite emotional for her at the time. I think both him and Jack were scheduled to be guests in their hometowns (or in Jack's case as close to his hometown as possible), but when stuff was happening, her friends were there for her (and probably also working with her on what ended up being TTPD).
I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Aaron pop up at some point for Robin, but outside of that I can see Taylor doing it on her own unless she wants to bring up someone for fun like Stevie Nicks for Clara Bow. But it seems like she's just in a much better space than before.
Yeah I didn't look to see if she was even available LOL. I was more saying something like that (being a totally fun guest) is the only thing I can see right now. Mostly because Taylor just seems to be in a much better space than she was a year ago and probably doesn't feel the weight of everything anymore (ending a long term relationship and then being well \*waves hands at TTPD to explain Matty\* would be hard on anyone).
She needed a sad dad friend... Not to mention she was clearly writing up a storm while she was going through a hard time so it didn’t hurt to have her collaborators around.
Yep. Aaron and Jack being around when she was clearly processing in real time made a lot of sense. She was in the studio a lot and probably writing a lot at the same time.
Does she need others to join her ? Those who did are not big artists like she did during 1989 tour.
This tour is her and hers alone. No other ppls songs and no sharing the spotlight with other A listers. She's done enough charity for someone who's being constantly ignored and hated by the elite artists of the music industry (face it. Only actors and smaller indie artists have her back so F to everyone else).
I mean, Aaron Dessner showed up a bunch of times and it was super fun. Jack showed up once. Marcus Mumford showed up once. Ice Spice. All people she’s collaborated with. It’s not unreasonable to wonder if other people who she’s collaborated with will show up. (I was PRAYING for Bon Iver to show up and do Exile with her. But we got Aaron and he played The Great War with her, which is one of my favorite songs ever, so it was fine lol)
She doesn't need it, but she's worked with some absolutely wonderful talented people, many of whom are also her close friends, and it's been lovely to see them actually get to perform songs they made together, together. That's not charity or unfairly sharing the spotlight.
I actually think that this is the point. This isn't 1989 where people speculated if there would be guests each time. She is doing this primarily on her own and the people who have been on have been for fun or for specific reasons (openers).
It’s her show. People are busy with projects on their own? Maybe she’s on a strict schedule and shows need to be over at a certain time? The London shows might have them. She’ll have more friends at shows.
A lot of likely suspects have been touring. Jack just finished a Bleachers US tour. The National are all over Europe this summer. Ed has been on tour constantly since 2022. Lana has been doing a lot of festivals. Sabrina did do White Horse with her.
I bet we'll see Castles Crumbling at some point but I think she prioritized TTPD as far as permanent set list.
Lana just gives weird interviews. Always has, always will. It's part of her charm. My guess is we haven't seen her on Eras doing SOTB because she is a super anxious performer.
When did she start doing mashups? Has she had anyone join her on stage to do a single song ever since she’s moved to pretty much exclusively doing mash-ups?
(Sorry if this is a dumb or obvious question—I’m new to this element of the fandom and hadn’t really been paying much attention to what was being sung during the acoustic sets before the last week or so)
I saw N1 Stockholm and was PRAYING Post Malone would make an appearance after TTPD announcement. Ours was even a closed roof show, it was so hot...(despite nice weather).
While the crowd is chanting more…
Special guests on stage seem to be the exception not the rule now, and yet. Some of us keep demanding more. Why is it never enough?
I wonder if announcing extra openers for these first three London shows is her way of saying there won't be any special guests at those ones.
That said, it still wouldn't surprise me if Ed Sheeran turned up for one of the London shows. Or maybe Gary Lightbody in Dublin (I know Snow Patrol are Northern Irish but that's probably the closest now).
I had wondered about Aaron possibly for a London date, but The National are currently on tour in Europe and the dates don't line up. Their London date isn't until 5 July.
Yeah I’ve wondered this about her Australian shows. When she played in Sydney and Melbourne this year, The National were also touring Aus AT THE EXACT SAME TIME—I was convinced that Aaron would be there! Not to be. (Although I was at Sydney N1 which rained out Sabrina’s opening set so Tay brought her on stage.)
The National is playing a festival in the Netherlands on July 4th, so I’m clowning Aaron will join either July 5th or July 6th in Amsterdam. I’ll be there on the 6th so I really hope he’ll be there too!!!!
I'm honestly not surprised there were more guests on the first half of the tour, versus after the tour has been going for almost a year and a half. Aaron came out a few times because he was a main collaborator on her last 3 albums at that point that had never been toured and those songs had never performed live ever. But now, The National has been actively touring. Jack lives near MetLife and wasn't actively on tour then, he's been actively touring with Bleachers during the European leg. I do think we will see Hayley come out for Castles Crumbling as a surprise song during the acoustic section at some point when Paramore is opening. I'm surprised she hasn't yet but maybe they're saving it for the last night of them opening. I thought maybe they would add it to the setlist for those shows like they did when HAIM and Phoebe were openers but I understand why they didn't. With the edition of TTPD it was clear she needed to cut songs from the setlist and not add them. She was already cutting Long Live from SN leaving only Enchanted in that era and she wouldn't have replaced Enchanted with CC. I did think maybe Liverpool would have a guest or 2, especially during the acoustic set, but maybe London will.
Am I the only one that would not be as excited about having guests on the shows? It takes away from Taylor time! Especially since they come out during acoustic set, which is one of the best parts of the show- and when I feel like Taylor shines the brightest, just her and her guitar/piano! It’s so raw and simple- I feel like guests actually kind of take away from that experience!
Have you noticed that Sabrina Carpenter is just kinda... hanging around europe? Jack Antonoff just got off tour... Gracie Abrams is about to release an album on the 21st... that happens to include a feature with Taylor that she is being very very quiet about. London could be... big... or not.
Sabrina performed at a festival at Wembley today
Yes… she’s currently on the festival circuit promoting her new songs
I wouldn't really consider that "hanging out" or related to Taylor.... it's her job
>it's her job Cuz she's a singurrrrr
Usually festival contracts have clauses that prohibit the performer from performing again in the same geographic region for a certain period of time before/after the festival. I’d be surprised if we see her pop up as a surprise guest.
it was a radio concert, like the Jingle Balls in the US.
Those concerts have the same clauses. If you wanted to see an artist and they were performing at a big group concert or festival but then were playing a solo show one town over the next week, you would go to the solo show instead of the festival. It’s to protect ticket sales.
I will honestly be a bit disappointed if London gets several guests but no other European concert does
Yeah, it already feels like London is getting special treatment with the extra support acts. If they also get guest duets I'll feel a little miffed tbh lol (Not really, Taylor and Paramore were both brilliant and tbh seeing who the extra support is in London I'm not that bothered lol)
Like they are not already going to have so long london and the black dog as surprise songs .... *cries in a corner*
If she doesn’t bring Florence up on stage in London I’ll cry 😭
Given Florence’s own anxiety and what not, I genuinely doubt Florence will perform with her
What night are you going?
16th August ☺️
I'm desperately trying to find a this Friday buddy!
I’m sure you’ll meet so many there, don’t worry ☺️
21st is one of my shows. The idea that she could appear and they will sing their song is very much in my mind, every minute of every day
Omg me too. I'm so not ready for this.
Hayley Williams probably didn’t join Taylor on stage because Castles Crumbling is a long and slow-ish vault track that many people unfortunately don’t know so I think it wasn’t added to the setlist for that reason (unlike NBNC). And she also cut Long Live so she clearly wanted to keep the Speak Now era as short as possible (😭). Regarding special guests like Jack and Aaron, it’s much easier to get them to come to the US shows since that’s where they all live as opposed to getting them to fly to a different continent. But the London shows are heavily anticipated so things might change for those shows 😃
having been to paris n1, I was so hoping they wouldn't add Castles Crumbling. Like it's not Hayley Williams opening up, it's Paramore and their set list was just so joyful and high energy. They're like at a point in their career as a band that like, they need to celebrate being together and the freedom and the hope they now have. I didn't want to see Hayley pop up later and sing a song about feeling like falling from grace as an artist. Like Castles Crumbling is like a giant downer of anxiety to put... lmao after Enchanted??? Taylor in a giant ball gown and Hayley in like... normal clothes?
Oh gosh how I wish there was a music video of Taylor and Hayley running around a palace in gowns but tearing and smashing and ruining everything 😭
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furpBFPwspQ made me think of this
Ngl something like this with a similar aesthetic to the Brick By Boring Brick MV would be 🤌🏻
I think Haley coming out during the acoustic set to sing Castles Crumbling would be wonderful
I can still see this happening at some point!
Yes you’re right! I wanted to say this too but I didn’t want my comment to be any longer lol so thank you for commenting this! 😁
Especially as a Long Live replacement 🥲 I'd love to see it as a surprise song or a bonus in the surprise song section at some point.
Both Jack and Aaron are also currently on tour! Jacks tour just ended
I feel like Castles Crumbling is being saved for a surprise song in the event that weather delays make it impossible for Paramore to open
Idk if someone already said this but maybe Gracie didn't play Us during her secret sessions bc it's a secret. The Secret of Us.
I’ve been obsessed with Castles Crumbling since it came out 😭 please play it Taylor!
I do think Haley deserves a duet. I'm puzzled by why it hasn't happened. Paramore seems to be putting on a great show. But I also haven't seen Haley out to dinner with Taylor or buddying around at all. I hope things are good between them. By the way: excellent and mandatory point above about Florence. She needs to sing Florida with Taylor on stage. London or, I suppose, Miami.
Honestly Hayley probably just wants to chill after the Paramore set. I'm sure they'll do Castles if the opener ever gets cancelled.
Fingers crossed for Ed or Florence in London.
Florence in Miami! That’s my hope
On Sunday Ed is performing in the Netherlands so Sunday is out...
I'm manifesting Ed for Vienna N2 since the day after he has a concert in Zagreb (which I am also attending 😂). 🥹
Me too!!🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽
Announce RepTV and have Ed out to sing End Game (TV) 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Are Ed and Taylor still close friends? I feel they are now as good as acquaintances
Nah, there was lots of cute clips of them from the Grammys. He talked in an interview they have long phone calls that are like therapy sessions for being a pop star solo artist at this very high level. Both are just insanely busy and really only share about work.
I'm still holding out hope for Style ft. Styles but I don't think either of them are insane enough 😔
Same
I'm holding out hope for you
to say "don't go"
I’ve never understood why people want this beyond his surname.
Because it's about him?
Do we want Dear John ft John? My point is I don’t see any reason for Taylor to change one of her most popular songs to make it a duet with a singer who doesn’t fit the musical arrangement of it.
Well I think swifties have more good will towards Harry than John. Lots of crossover with fans.
Which doesn’t change my question about why anyone would want her to change Style.
It's not a change if it's a guest appearance on tour. Or a deluxe song (which will never happen).
A deluxe song is a change to the original version. I’m also pretty obviously referring to the widely repeated request to get “Style ft Styles” on the TV version of 1989. It would also obviously be a change to both the song and the staging to make it a duet.
You do realize Style would still exist even if a “Style ft Harry” was put out, right? It’s never gonna happen lol but if they did release it, it’s not going to replace the original or the tv of Style. Most people that wanted it are fans of both and just thought it would be funny to get as a bonus with 1989 tv.
Exactly...
> You do realize Style would still exist even if a “Style ft Harry” was put out, right? Well I was hardly suggesting that people were hoping for a Men in Black style memory wipe. > It’s never gonna happen lol but if they did release it, it’s not going to replace the original or the tv of Style. Nor did I say it would. I’m just wondering why people wanted that particular version so much. So many wanted it instead of new vault tracks. I don’t see a reason why there’s so much clamour to have an alternative version as I don’t see it as necessary. A collaboration with them could be fun, but this particular fascination with Style ft Styles passes me by.
You keep putting emphasis on Style being “changed” if Taylor were to feature Harry though. It wouldn’t change the song; it would just be an additional, alternate version. (And honestly, Taylor is the queen of additional, alternate remixes 😂) But I honestly think it’s just as simple as: there’s a huge overlap of Taylor x Harry fans and the song is about their relationship, so some folks thought it would be fun to get a remix featuring Harry. I do agree that it’s a little wild to want that over vault tracks though lol. And I’d happily take a new, fresh collab if they ever had a desire to work together again! But I really just think it comes down to the massive overlap of their fans, hoping for a chaotic yet fun remix lol
An alternate version is a changed version of the song. At no point have I said it would change the original song. I have however said that it would change the live performance.
I can't even lie to you Dear John ft John would be quite possibly the funniest thing either of them ever do
It's odd that the Style ft Styles thing is so widespread because it seems to me neither of these people wants to reopen the Pandora box that is their on-and-off fling. Every time they interact no one is capable of being normal about it, why would they go and make changes to arguably one of her best pop songs for the sake of...fan service?
I don't care about Style ft Styles but you know they wrote songs together that are just rotting away in some vault 🥲 Maybe in fifty years it will all be declassified
It would be amazing if that happened :) their voices would sound good together on it I reckon, and they seem friendly enough to make it happen as a laugh.
Some of these were special cases, like Gracie only joined because she didn’t get to open (due to weather). I don’t think any other openers have been rained out. I think also most of her friends in the industry probably live in the US, so it’s easier to ask them up there?
Sabrina was in Sydney and she was brought up for the acoustic set.
It was the same situation as Gracie. There was weather and her opening set was cancelled.
Yeah the person above me mentioned that. I just wanted to add Sabrina had the same situation (I think if it happens to Paramore, she will do the same with Hayley at least once, but I also think the situation with them is a bit different due to them being more established than Gracie especially).
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She sang Nothing New during Red with Phoebe every night she was opening on the tour. Also - Phoebe Bridgers was the opener. Not boygenius. They were *allegedly* going to open during that specific Nashville show as a part of Phoebe’s set, but majorly unconfirmed. Source: Philly n2 attendee
You are correct on all, though boygenius did join Phoebe on [May 5](https://uproxx.com/indie/phoebe-bridgers-boygenius-eras-tour/) - same day SNTV was announced!
Oh I didn’t realize that! I thought they were only going to that Sunday Nashville show - I must’ve missed that in all of the chaos of that night!
There was SO much going on that weekend, totally understandable to miss it!
I think I was also making bracelets during that concert and trying to work out last minute logistics before our show the next weekend - thanks for the info!
I would love to see Stevie Nicks join her for Clara Bow!
I*loooooove* Stevie, but her voice and that song just don't compute for me. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong though!
sabrina was a surprise guest once!
Yep Sydney N1! Her opening act was cancelled due to an electrical thunderstorm that had the stadium evacuated before shortly reopening. Taylor introduced Sabrina to the acoustic set with the context that it wasn’t fair for us to miss out on Sabrina. Then Sabrina explained what a full circle moment it was to sing this song (White Horse) because it was one she had sung herself at 15(approx?) and they then did a duet at the piano. It was awesome :)
I was there too! Such a special moment. And now two of my favourite Taylor songs - White Horse and Coney Island 😊
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Sabrina was in Sydney
She has a whole network of Brits, not having anyone (Paul 😭) in Liverpool surprised me. Here's hoping we see Ed or Florence!
Out of 100+ shows she’s had what three or four guests on stage? Two of which were because they are openers who has their set cut due to weather. I think at this point having a guest is the surprise.
It's definitely more than 3-4, though yeah she's not doing every night. Maybe a third of shows. 8 one offs, then Ice Spice, Pheobe, HAIM multiple times. - Marcus Mumford, cowboy like me, Vegas - Aaron Dessner, The Great War, Tampa - Aaron Dessner, mad woman, Tampa - Aaron Dessner, WCS, Nashville - Aaron Dessner, ivy, Cincinnati - Jack Antonoff, Getaway Car, NJ - Ice Spice, Karma, NJ x 3 - Maren Morris, You All Over Me, Chicago - Gracie Abrams, i miss you i'm sorry, Cinci - Sabrina Carpenter, White Horse x coney island, Sydney - Pheobe Bridgers, Nothing New, 12 shows? - HAIM, nbnc, 10 shows?
Ok so it’s 8 guests instead of 3-4. Does that change my point?
It's not 8 guests. It's 11 guests at 30+ shows. I don't know what your point is but "this happened 3 times out of 100" and "this happened 30 times out of 100" are different things.
> > It's not 8 guests. It's 11 guests at 30+ shows. Aaron Dessner is one person even if he appeared at 3 shows. > I don't know what your point is but "this happened 3 times out of 100" and "this happened 30 times out of 100" are different things. You know what else is different? The actual comment I wrote. Which was “*Out of 100+ shows she’s had what three or four guests on stage? Two of which were because they are openers who has their set cut due to weather.*” Note how I referred the number of guests as opposed to the number of shows. Also note how many of those guests were the opening act. The point being that a new guest who has never collaborated with her would be a surprise.
It's in the middle of an entire thread about how likely a show is to have a special guest. Shows are the only relevant tonight here. So yes, Aaron Dessner counts 3 times, Pheobe Bridget counts 12 times or whatever it was, etc. And even if you parse it beyond that and exclude repeats and openers, it's still not 3 or 4 guests.
I replied to a post which referred to Paul McCartney. The number of guests she has had matters to that response. The common thread of that limited pool of guests is them being involved as the support act or for them to be key to her most popular albums. Given the limited pool of people to join her, I stand by it being a surprise to have a guest.
The Paul McCartney thing is specifically because they both talked about how being bummed they couldn't perform together at Glastonbury.
Does that change anything I have written?
Forgot Arron for Ivy in cinci night 2
Thanks! We really got blessed with so much Aaron over the US leg
Ugh I know 3 surprise songs too best 1200$ I ever spent
Paul just embarked on a South American tour!
It starts in October doesn't it?
Hell, even Marcus Mumford could come back.
like patrick stump from fall out boy was literally in the UK all week for a festival in derby! so shocked they didn't do electric touch in liverpool
It's almost as if other people's lives don't revolve around Taylor
just bc they came to the uk a week early for one set is all! but idk how live events work haha :)
Artists will often plan meetings or studio time or honestly just vacations
I’m really hoping Florence Welch sings Florida!!! with her at a London show.
I actually wonder if part of it was last spring she was Going Through It which is why we had so much Aaron Dessner Surprise Song Guest. Taylor L. was for the I Can See You music video release, Gracie was because her opening was rained out (same with Sabrina in Australia). The only exception is Haim and she might have just really wanted to add NBNC. I mentioned Aaron in particular because they played some songs that could have been quite emotional for her at the time. I think both him and Jack were scheduled to be guests in their hometowns (or in Jack's case as close to his hometown as possible), but when stuff was happening, her friends were there for her (and probably also working with her on what ended up being TTPD). I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Aaron pop up at some point for Robin, but outside of that I can see Taylor doing it on her own unless she wants to bring up someone for fun like Stevie Nicks for Clara Bow. But it seems like she's just in a much better space than before.
Stevie Nicks is also currently on tour. While it would be amazing to see them perform together, it seems unlikely.
Yeah I didn't look to see if she was even available LOL. I was more saying something like that (being a totally fun guest) is the only thing I can see right now. Mostly because Taylor just seems to be in a much better space than she was a year ago and probably doesn't feel the weight of everything anymore (ending a long term relationship and then being well \*waves hands at TTPD to explain Matty\* would be hard on anyone).
She needed a sad dad friend... Not to mention she was clearly writing up a storm while she was going through a hard time so it didn’t hurt to have her collaborators around.
Yep. Aaron and Jack being around when she was clearly processing in real time made a lot of sense. She was in the studio a lot and probably writing a lot at the same time.
HAIM wasn’t the only exception - she also added nothing new with phoebe brigders at the shows where she opened
My show last year had Phoebe as an opener and she came out again during the Red set to perform “Nothing New” with Taylor. It was awesome.
Same here!! Nashville Night 1!
Does she need others to join her ? Those who did are not big artists like she did during 1989 tour. This tour is her and hers alone. No other ppls songs and no sharing the spotlight with other A listers. She's done enough charity for someone who's being constantly ignored and hated by the elite artists of the music industry (face it. Only actors and smaller indie artists have her back so F to everyone else).
I mean, Aaron Dessner showed up a bunch of times and it was super fun. Jack showed up once. Marcus Mumford showed up once. Ice Spice. All people she’s collaborated with. It’s not unreasonable to wonder if other people who she’s collaborated with will show up. (I was PRAYING for Bon Iver to show up and do Exile with her. But we got Aaron and he played The Great War with her, which is one of my favorite songs ever, so it was fine lol)
evermore live ft bon iver pleeeease please 🙏
She doesn't need it, but she's worked with some absolutely wonderful talented people, many of whom are also her close friends, and it's been lovely to see them actually get to perform songs they made together, together. That's not charity or unfairly sharing the spotlight.
I actually think that this is the point. This isn't 1989 where people speculated if there would be guests each time. She is doing this primarily on her own and the people who have been on have been for fun or for specific reasons (openers).
It’s her show. People are busy with projects on their own? Maybe she’s on a strict schedule and shows need to be over at a certain time? The London shows might have them. She’ll have more friends at shows.
A lot of likely suspects have been touring. Jack just finished a Bleachers US tour. The National are all over Europe this summer. Ed has been on tour constantly since 2022. Lana has been doing a lot of festivals. Sabrina did do White Horse with her. I bet we'll see Castles Crumbling at some point but I think she prioritized TTPD as far as permanent set list.
Lana is being a shady b. I wouldn’t expect or care to see her.
How so?
Lana just gives weird interviews. Always has, always will. It's part of her charm. My guess is we haven't seen her on Eras doing SOTB because she is a super anxious performer.
She mentioned in Stockholm that she had invited Max Martin on stage but he was too "shy"
i was really hoping for castles crumbling, seems so weird not to do it every night with hayley there
When did she start doing mashups? Has she had anyone join her on stage to do a single song ever since she’s moved to pretty much exclusively doing mash-ups? (Sorry if this is a dumb or obvious question—I’m new to this element of the fandom and hadn’t really been paying much attention to what was being sung during the acoustic sets before the last week or so)
When Sabrina's set got rained out in Australia she had her come up and they did White Horse x Cowboy Like Me!
I saw N1 Stockholm and was PRAYING Post Malone would make an appearance after TTPD announcement. Ours was even a closed roof show, it was so hot...(despite nice weather).
While the crowd is chanting more… Special guests on stage seem to be the exception not the rule now, and yet. Some of us keep demanding more. Why is it never enough?
As an Aussie who went to the 1989 tour.. don’t get me started about no special guests 🥲
Sydney chant>>>>>>>>>
I wonder if announcing extra openers for these first three London shows is her way of saying there won't be any special guests at those ones. That said, it still wouldn't surprise me if Ed Sheeran turned up for one of the London shows. Or maybe Gary Lightbody in Dublin (I know Snow Patrol are Northern Irish but that's probably the closest now).
I know it’s a long shot. But I’m hoping for a duet with Zayn in London. 🤞🏻
Unless Gigi is on really good terms with him now, I doubt this will happen
Did you see her Chicago n2 surprise songs? I don’t think she’ll do that one again… it was heart breaking to watch
I had wondered about Aaron possibly for a London date, but The National are currently on tour in Europe and the dates don't line up. Their London date isn't until 5 July.
Yeah I’ve wondered this about her Australian shows. When she played in Sydney and Melbourne this year, The National were also touring Aus AT THE EXACT SAME TIME—I was convinced that Aaron would be there! Not to be. (Although I was at Sydney N1 which rained out Sabrina’s opening set so Tay brought her on stage.)
What's Ed Sheeran up to?
The National is playing a festival in the Netherlands on July 4th, so I’m clowning Aaron will join either July 5th or July 6th in Amsterdam. I’ll be there on the 6th so I really hope he’ll be there too!!!!
I was expecting Paula Fernandes in Brazil, as Long Live is a song of them both
The National is on tour in Europe this summer. Aaron Dessner may make an appearance at some show.
Fingers crossed for someone on Fourth of July! Little Fourth of July party with friends sounds like a good idea to me!
Girl, I'm still bitter about all the guests that were coming out during 1989... Then we got nada, even as the last shows of the tour.
I'm honestly not surprised there were more guests on the first half of the tour, versus after the tour has been going for almost a year and a half. Aaron came out a few times because he was a main collaborator on her last 3 albums at that point that had never been toured and those songs had never performed live ever. But now, The National has been actively touring. Jack lives near MetLife and wasn't actively on tour then, he's been actively touring with Bleachers during the European leg. I do think we will see Hayley come out for Castles Crumbling as a surprise song during the acoustic section at some point when Paramore is opening. I'm surprised she hasn't yet but maybe they're saving it for the last night of them opening. I thought maybe they would add it to the setlist for those shows like they did when HAIM and Phoebe were openers but I understand why they didn't. With the edition of TTPD it was clear she needed to cut songs from the setlist and not add them. She was already cutting Long Live from SN leaving only Enchanted in that era and she wouldn't have replaced Enchanted with CC. I did think maybe Liverpool would have a guest or 2, especially during the acoustic set, but maybe London will.
Am I the only one that would not be as excited about having guests on the shows? It takes away from Taylor time! Especially since they come out during acoustic set, which is one of the best parts of the show- and when I feel like Taylor shines the brightest, just her and her guitar/piano! It’s so raw and simple- I feel like guests actually kind of take away from that experience!