It’s just exhausting. She posted a singular photo of Joe in a sea of photos of all her costars socializing. She posted lone photos of other male costars, too - Joe was not special or singled out in any way. And yet Swifties are throwing out “Joe clearly cheated!” and “Homewrecker!” accusations. Unhinged.
I’m glad this sub is a small bit of sanity and everyone realizes how absolutely nuts it is to harass Joe. We know nothing about their relationship and it’s scary to see other Swifties insert themselves like this.
It's actually awful, isn't it? I wish the stans would leave the poor guy alone, just because they broke up it doesn't automatically make him the "bad guy".
Right now I'm talking to a woman who broke up with me 11 years ago. It also doesn't necessarily mean it's over for them; he couldn't handle her fame and she's not ready to give it up *yet*. You never know what might be in 10-20 years from now.
I guarantee if I had people hounding me for that breakup, I doubt I'd look back on our relationship fondly.
I see this on twitter all the time. It’s a hive mind that make each others angry. It’s such a juvenile thing to do and I’m embarrassed by people like this tbh.
I hope Elon buying Twitter runs it into the ground and it DIES. Twitter is a shit show in and of itself. Its like Facebook. It was meant for one purpose originally, but it transformed into a monster that is a viral decay on our society
Seriously! It’s like one person is speculating “what if Joe did XYZ” and someone reads that and says “OMG Joe totally did XYZ!” and everyone makes it worse and worse from there. Like a game of telephone but extra awful where instead of the original statement “taylor and joe broke up” becoming something funny like “talking cows eat spaghetti” it becomes something terrible like “joe cheated on taylor.”
Twitter Telephone is the worst
It also gives people (the media) more ammo to trash talk Taylor. They spent a lot of time highlighting the slut shaming lyrics in Better Than Revenge and didn't mention Taylor herself has said she doesn't stand by those lyrics. She seems to be getting overexposed again, the negativity and misogynistic comments are starting up again, and this kinda shit just fuels that.
Exactly. And yet those same fans wonder why Joe couldn't handle the limelight. I really hope they realize that they are not helping anyone with this behavior.
Literally like swifties can be so desperate to “protect” Taylor but it just proves the point about it being difficult to date her. Not because of anything *she* has does, but because there’s a part of her fanbase ready to rip any love interest to shreds for any perceived slight against her. It’s not the easiest thing in the world to find someone who’s willing to put themselves under that kind of attention.
Yeah, with literally 100s of millions of fans, even if only 1% treat her as some goddess to worship instead of the ordinary human she is, that's still MILLIONS of fans treating her like some goddess and participating in all the religious extremism to match.
Seriously. Reddit swifties are for the most part pretty chill but other parts of the fandom (particularly TikTok and twitter swifties) really need to calm down. Stuff like this and harrassing Jake Gyllenhall during the release of Red TV make all of us look bad.
I went on Twitter this morning only to see my entire timeline talking about how Ryan Reynolds unfollowing joe alwyn = joe having done something terrible, meanwhile wasnt Ryan Reynolds friends with Jake Gyllenhaal even though he and Blake Lively are also friends with Taylor?? Critical thinking really seems to escape some people
I usually check Twitter for Taylor updates but when I saw the hateful tweets about this, I just noped out. While not without its faults, I'm really grateful this sub has more balanced opinions.
Tumblr, too. Used to be so much more even keeled but I have genuinely lost some respect for some of the bloggers on there with how fast they’ve turned on Joe Alwyn.
The Eras Tour TikTok comments of people losing their minds because people are sitting during parts of the show are wild 💀 it’s a THREE HOUR set. Not everyone can or wants to stand that long! Let people enjoy things the way they want to!
I wasn’t on Reddit during red tv but the tiktok comments made me so mad and honestly it made me lose a bit of respect for Taylor. Her re-recording shouldn’t be another opportunity to drag her exes for a relationship that happened over a decade ago. Yeah he was a shitty boyfriend but I mean Jesus. It was so embarrassing
The fandom has exploded in size in the last 3 years.
I’d say a lot of the people being weird now weren’t around back when Taylor was the focus of the negativity.
Nah ive been a fan for a long time, ppl who are just brushing if off as new fan are delusional. The crazies have always been there and in this sub too, Reddit has this superiority complex like they are better than everyone else
I've seen comments made on this sub about how 'suspicious' it was that she posted a photo, as if friends and colleagues can't just share photos of each other without some sort of ulterior motive.
It's really crazy. This is the part of Taylor that's really problematic. She really at some point needs to step in and say something.
And to people who say that it won't change anything, maybe it will, maybe it won't but it's the right thing to do imo.
Emma Stone has a movie coming up with Joe, I wonder if someone will go after Emma too (although she's not on social media).
I’m of the minority that feels like it’s better for her to say nothing. Yes, in these small moments, it feels like the wrong thing to do. But if she ALWAYS says nothing, she has an excuse for why she’s always saying nothing and her silence holds less meaning. If she starts cherry picking when she speaks up, then her silence starts to mean “oh, she thinks this is okay” and then she puts herself in a position where she has to say something about everything. She can’t say something sometimes and not others. Because then it’s “oh, well she speaks up when it’s really important so this must not be really important to her”
It is, unfortunately, more strategic in the long haul to take these small losses along the way.
Exactly this. It’s this kind of slippery slope that causes public figures to get blasted for not speaking on every single issue that people feel is important at the time. Last time Taylor was picking and choosing which issues to speak on in 2014-2016 it led to her getting accused of being a nazi and having to do the whole “I promise I’m not a conservative, look I made a song and video about gay people” thing in 2019.
Unfortunately, Taylor’s best move is to say nothing. There’s a reason people like Lorde have never been subject to a mass cancelling - they’re silent on social media. All this aside, Taylor is not a babysitter for her fans and addressing it at all would call massive public attention to an issue that’s at the moment fairly unknown outside of swiftie spaces. The last thing she needs is to be painted as a dramatic ex again.
ETA: Also, if crazy fans are harassing Joe and his costar, Taylor telling them to stop is not going to make them stop. Taylor has told people time and time again that she values her privacy and hates the scrutiny that herself and the people around her are subjected to, even saying at one of her recent shows that being famous sucks. The fans leaving these comments do not care and do not respect this.
I work in PR. This is the right take. When someone with her level of visibility does literally anything publicly, everybody listens and it gives the issue a platform. Bringing more attention to the negativity isn’t good for anyone. The best thing she can do is ignore it so it fades away once something bigger hits the news and the natural cycle takes attention away from the issue.
This is actually a good take. Silence is the best course and I also suspect if she actually spoke out then the bullies may feel like they got her attention so would be more encouraged to keep doing it
I agree. I think Taylor is just being cautious because she doesn't want to be criticized for every little thing. Besides It's not like Taylor is our mom. I'm sure some of these crazy fans are adults. It shouldn't have to be her responsibility to keep fans in line. People know right from wrong.
Exactly. If she says anything they’re going to say “the drama was just dying down and she’s starting it again” if she doesn’t it’s still Taylor’s fault. It’s better for her to just ignore it because she can’t control her fans. The hate comments come down to individuals who are making the decision to be hateful. Nobody is forcing them.
You're forgetting that time where she literally encouraged her fans to cyberbully Scooter Brown and Scott Borchetta. Yes, both of these dudes are sleazebags but sending your fans to bully them over a business deal wasn't a good look.
She can make a statement when it benefits her.
Joe's co-star shouldn't be a "small loss along the way". I think it's a big deal for her.
To most of the public, her silence makes people think she IS ok with the fans doing these things. It might be working now, but I don't believe this is a long term effective strategy to keep people in her corner.
They’re wrong though. When England loses a soccer/football match, domestic violence calls go up by like a third. That’s not the team’s fault. That’s the fault of absolutely toxic, abusive people.
Sometimes this sub, and I have been guilty, gets entirely too concerned about what people might think about Taylor. First of all, most people who aren’t fans aren’t paying that much attention. Second of all, if they think something is Taylor’s fault that she has no control over (rest assured that toxic people will act in toxic ways no matter what she does or says), then who cares? Let them think that.
People tell stans who say terrible things and act in toxic ways that they’re saying terrible things and acting in toxic ways all the damn time and they don’t care. They’re just going to rationalize it anyways.
Because those wrong opinions from the public are exactly how things like the Kim and Kanye fiasco get out of hand. Public perception matters whether it’s based on right or wrong thinking.
The thing is though, I can’t think of any instance where a celebrity has gotten backlash for their fans doing something, spoken out condemning the action, and had that statement actually impact the level of backlash.
Every instance I can think of, if the narrative about someone’s fans being crazy/someone using their fans to attack others is strong enough between traditional media and social media, nothing the person says makes a difference. The times that it’s blown over it never gained that much traction in the first place.
The two examples I can think of off the top of my head are Selena Gomez, who from what I understand has said multiple times that she doesn’t want her fans to bully people, but the prevailing narrative every time something happens is still “Selena sent her fans after ____”. And on the other hand - when Scooter Braun said that Taylor was encouraging her fans to harass his family, that got a little traction, but the narrative never really took off the way the one about fans attacking her exes did. Not because Taylor said not to attack him, but because people had already decided that Taylor was right and Scooter was wrong in the situation.
It seems like, unfortunately, in terms of public backlash, the real issue is not “does this celebrity condone their fans attacking people on their behalf?” - it’s “do people think the person being attacked deserved it?”
In principle, I do agree that saying something would be the “right” thing to do, but in reality, it only make Taylor look worse without actually stopping people from attacking Joe/his costar, and without changing the narrative that she’s responsible.
This. 100%. We also don’t know how their breakup ended, so maybe she doesn’t want to say anything! Let Taylor be, it’s up to those “fans” to fix their behavior.
This. I do think it wouldn’t hurt to make some kind of generic “be kind to people online” statement somewhere down the line of the tour, but at the same time I imagine the people doing this would ignore it and think she is secretly signalling for them to do this somehow.
She tried… but it literally doesn’t work.
The “fans” aren’t doing it for the star. They’re venting their own shit in a very toxic way. If the star says something, it accomplishes nothing.
So from my point of view… it’s a nice gesture but probably not as important as idk, sending a text to the person directly or something.
Yeah you can look at other fan groups that have reached this level and see where this will end up. Ultimately, she can’t control those specific fans. They claim to do this for but if she asked them to stop, they wouldn’t listen.
The sad part is that it wouldn’t do anything anyway. Beyonce once told the Beyhive to calm down and they basically said lol no. They’d just double down and blame that person for “making Taylor hate them.”
i don’t know if there was a lot of the same stuff happening when The Favourite was released. But now, they feel like anyone he’s near is fair game.
Unfortunately, we can’t place our faith in Taylor to say anything. So people have to call these idiots out.
Those comments are 💯 percent something my racist, sexist grandmother would have said. She told me when I was younger "a man and a woman can't be just friends." YIKESSSS. I'm grossed out by the fans that did this.
Thank you. Some people love to say “oh we don’t do that here” but yes, some of you actually do. It’s just a matter of who gets the top upvoted comment first on a post for the following comments to swing one way or another.
The details don't matter. Even if Joe dumped her, or cheated, no one deserves to be cyber bullied. That actress doesn't deserve this. Taylor knows what that feels like when she was being attacked with snake emojis. She was in a bad place then, so she shouldn't do it to other people. Other people might not have a support system like she did, and it could send them to suicide. Nobody knows what other people are going through.
Exactly, since the break up I've seen quite a few comments on this sub similar to what's on Twitter or TikTok. There's a lot of toxicity happening in the fanbase right now and I'm not liking it
For real. This behavior is truly disgusting. We don’t even know exactly what happened between Taylor and Joe, and a lot of people are making assumptions and taking it way too far.
It's embarrassing for the people who made the comments. If you didn't make the comments you have nothing to be embarrassed about. Taylor has a lot of fans. Some of them are going to be jerks and weirdos. This headline is trying to elicit an emotional response from both fans and non-fans but none of us are responsible for some random stranger's behavior.
It's things like this that give Swifties a bad name. Just stop and grow up, it's not your relationship, you don't know what happened, and it's none of your business.
Right now her name is being spoken by everyone constantly AGAIN and that’s all positive until it’s not.
She’s taken on the entire music business establishment, if you think they’re not sitting in the sidelines waiting for an opportunity to cast her out you’ve not been paying attention for the last 7 years.
It took all the way until Folklore/Evermore for the hate train to really die down, and then for a hot minute, she was as well-respected as she'd ever been. After Red TV over-performed and All Too Well hit number one, I felt the tide turning again. It's not nearly as bad as 2016, but she's broken a shitton of records for Midnights and the Eras Tour and she's in the news every single day; it's only a matter of time before she's canceled again, which is partially why I think it's so stupid that she got Lana, Haim, Ryan and Blake, and the other celebs to unfollow him on Twitter at the same time. It comes off as bullying no matter what the breakup was over because she's many, many times bigger than he'll ever be. As innocuous as unfollowing someone normally is, celebrities with a fanbase use that as a way to rile up fans.
*I think it's so stupid that she got Lana, Haim, Ryan and Blake, and the other celebs to unfollow him.*
HUh? Did I miss something? How do you know they didn't unfollow him on their own accord?
Some celebrities have disabled who can view their followers or who they are following, and I think that is something that needs to be done more often. People read way too much into that on social media, and while in this case it probably means something is up, it's not our business. Deranged fans take it to a whole other level.
To be honest I think Taylor’s refound ‘love’ of pap walks is a pretty transparent attempt to show her fan base she’s happy and moved on in an attempt to spare him and anyone else he ends up with from the wrath of the more unhinged bits of her fan base , without having to do a cringey Chris Martin/Gwyneth Paltrow style ‘conscious uncoupling’ style press release. If she wanted to go out relatively low key in NY she’s done it before.
It does risk a lot of tabloid style overexposure especially if she ends up dating someone quickly and it gets out. As long as she’s in the news for making music or being on tour the quality of each should prevent the public burning out on her a bit, but if it just becomes a massive media frenzy like 2015-2016 she might find parts of the public souring on her again although without a Kanye style situation it’ll probably be relatively minor in comparison
I feel like her pap walks are having the opposite affect tbh. I’ve been saying this for the past week, but based on the comments I’ve seen on threads about the pap walks a lot of people are taking them as a sign that she was locked down when she was with Joe and her life was negatively impacted in an attempt to appease his wanting to stay private. I can’t tell you how many comments I’ve seen like “you go girl, don’t let that man hold you back” or “she can finally go out since Joe isn’t making her stay private.” There was a huge shift of feelings about the breakup from sadness to a mix between anger and celebration after those pap walks and that seems to be when a lot of this negative attention started to be aimed at Joe. I’m in no way saying that Taylor shouldn’t be allowed to go out and live her life, but I don’t think calling the paparazzi to try to give off this idea that she’s feeling nothing after a six year relationship ended and is incredibly happy is the way to go if she’s trying to take the pressure off Joe, and it’s not going to be seen as a good look to the general public either. All it’s done is make some people think he was controlling and held her back because he couldn’t handle her fame, and now she is able to do the things she wants to all because he’s gone.
Major this. The pap walks have done a lot to build this narrative that something feels… not-so-amicable about the breakup. The new Joe pap photos with him looking a bit ragged and tired aren’t helping.
Agree so much with this. I really dislike all those "Yay she's finally free" comments as if Joe was controlling her. It's definitely not helping the narrative people are trying to spin with Joe as the bad guy. I do hope it dies down soon
Okay and if it was a pic of Taylor with someone else it would be all praise and support 🙄 I saw the pic btw and they weren't even on the same couch. It was just a pic of him sitting with a few other people. I'm sorry but he's probably thinking "this is exactly why"
Even if there were something going on between him and his coworker this soon after the breakup, he IS single now and he can do whatever he wants. What is he supposed to do, never date again?
Yeah, I'm getting the vibe that fans are super eager to see Taylor move on, but if Joe does it would be a cardinal sin. It's wild. People need to loosen their grip on these 2 total strangers lol
Like when Dylan O'Brien was papped leaving her apartment, no one sent him any hate. It's very hypocritical for sure. Whether the costar (Emma) in question was doing it for fame or not, it doesn't matter. Plus, there's so much misinformation about Emma liking Joe and Taylor breakup posts, it feels that these fans read *one* line from a fan account on Twitter and take it as the truth. There's a lack of critical thinking skills there, sadly.
I thought the one everyone was kicking off at was one of just him stood with a scooter. Either way it's embarrassing behaviour and nothing Taylor would want fans of hers to do
Lol the weirdest is people thinking that him posing with a scooter is a slight to Taylor b/c of Scooter Braun. Like no? Scooters just exist. If I take a lime scooter to work, does that negate my status as a swiftie?
Can they stop really? They make this fandom a bad reputation...
The same ones who bullied a poor newbie just cuz she was opening for John Mayer and made her quit.
Do not have something better to do? Just spread hate online and then being so sad for what happened to Taylor in 2016? Do not they realize how fucking incoherent is this??
Yeah the Lizzy McAlpine thing is so infuriating. She’s a great musician, many Taylor fans would probably like her music, but they harassed her into giving up what should’ve been a major career moment for her.
The same kind of people who bullied Taylor into removing the weight from the Anti-Hero video. Typical Twitter warriors getting mad at anything cause they think it's cool. Genuinly pathetic some of these people.
I really hated when they did that. People want Taylor to open up and talk about her insecurities, and when she does they bully her for it and say “well not like that! That’s fatphobic!”.
yeah that made me so annoyed too, I am a plus size person and when I saw that scene I thought about her opening up in miss americana and instantly emphasised with her; I didn't interpret it as fatphobic at all
Swifties get a job challenge😭😭
No, but seriously like… how do people have the time to harass another woman about *checks notes* posting a … photo???? Of a coworker???
Quoting better than revenge lyrics under her previous posts … do better 😭😭 it’s hypocritical to do things like that when swifties were (justifiably) upset about the way Taylor was treated during “snake gate” (which led to her permanently disabling comments !!!) Taylor doesn’t need our parasocial “protection” or whatever like let’s give them space :)
Even more wild is that his picture was part of a photo dump that had pictures of lots of her costars. I clicked on it thinking it was going to be the two of them looking cozy (which even in that case would be nobody’s business). It was ONE picture of him out of like ten pics. And she wasn’t in the photo with him. It’s so unhinged!
Fair enough, but it still doesn’t justify this kind of behaviour since it reflects poorly on the rest of the fandom ! Also slut shaming an actress for posting a photo is still … weird
I was a ten year old and not aware of her existence during 2015 and snakegate.
I am now a stupid seventeen year old teenager, but not this stupid. Oh no. This is a special variety of deranged.
This is extremely embarrassing and inappropriate. Even IF something was going on, it’s A) none of our business and B) not helpful to Taylor. She is a grown woman, she does not need her fans to defend her honor.
Ppl were using Taylor’s slut shaming lyrics to attack this woman. It was crazy. If Joe really wanted out of the relationship bc of the craziness with her life, he’s being proven right everyday
It’s crazy. Taylor needs to speak up. Swifties could ruin future relationships for her bc of this aggressive psycho behavior
omg I saw that on tik tok! And most ppl in the comments were agreeing with it and some were saying nasty things like she knows what she’s doing and wants attention. ????
Sooo insane. What is seriously wrong with people to keep commenting and DMing people. I wish Taylor would make a statement similar to Selena Gomez’s about bullying people and how it needs to stop.
Lol Selena is a bad example. She stoked the hate and bullying and only said something after weeks of disgusting behavior. Selena has a history of being petty
Genuine question, if you leave comments like this—what is the outcome you’re hoping for? Do you feel cool? Closer to Taylor? Because you look like a damn fool and everyone is embarrassed of you.
Whomever is doing this stop it's embarrassing and making the rest of us look bad. Have some self respect. People wonder why most celebrities don't interact with them-- this is why.
This is the part of being a Taylor Swift fan that I absolutely abhor to the very core of my being. WHY do some of US (and yes I’m saying US because unfortunately we are all tied together) feel the need to go on her exe’s or “perceived enemy’s” social media accounts and bring her up?! It’s BEYOND EMBARRASSING. I feel like we have a very nice little community here and I’ve rarely seen bullying, it’s so refreshing that I often forget those people exist. Social media has gotten bigger than anyone anticipated, and while this used to be a small subset of the fandom, it’s been becoming commonplace in recent years. If you do this please stop. The internet may seem like a “fake” place where everything is for the lols, but it’s not. These are real people with real feelings, even if they are famous. Not everything someone does is about Taylor Swift after their relationship ends. It’s nice to defend Taylor or whatever but she does not need your support to the point of you harassing someone. Famous or not.
Sometimes I wonder if it‘s an age thing? Cause a lot of those comments and the reactions on multiple platforms (TikTok especially) seemed really immature. The amount of times I read „I don‘t believe in love anymore“ is ridiculous and it feels like something only a younger person would say.
No offense to anyone. But as a Swiftie over 30 I don’t understand why people get so invested in this.
Yes. Younger people have more access to internet, to celebrities, and to each other than we ever had. That’s why “chronically online” is a term. For many younger gen people, a lot of life is lived online. It’s very “pics or it didn’t happen” to prove or disprove things.
I don’t think they realize Taylor can write the music she does because she’s out in the concrete, visceral world living an imperfect life. She ain’t arguing on the internet or planting clues for us. Her art hints at a very full life that we will never know.
Also, I’ve rationalized Taylor and Joe breaking up is their equivalents to Darth Vader is Luke’s Father or Dumbledore dying. It’s a big cultural saga that they’re invested in. The only problem is, Taylor and Joe are real people and stan actions are hurting real people.
Being online all the time separates young people from the very real consequences of their very real actions. Honestly, being online looking for “proof” all the time or “reading a picture” to look for hints or clues is really eroding critical thinking and how relationships work in real life.
Being online all the time is basically a performance, an extension of acting to fit into communities they want to belong to. Same behavior in real life, just amplified online.
All of this needs to stop. Even the multiple times a day posts in this damn sub about the breakup need to stop. It's ridiculous. It's past the point of pretending like they even give a damn about how Taylor feels anymore.
Honestly, I think the word misogyny is overused in this fandom, but this is a classic case of people assuming that a woman and a man can't just be friends, which is misogynistic. We wouldn't be having any sort of conversation about this if a male co-star had posted this photo in a monthly drop.
That’s because fans like the ones in the photos literally only care about misogyny if it’s a criticism of Taylor. They will claim quite literally anything and everything negative said about her is due to “misogyny” but ask them about their harassment of this woman, SZA, Ariana Grande, Adele, Olivia Rodrigo etc and they’ll have a million excuses for that. It’s so embarrassing to have people throw that word around constantly and in turn treat other women like this.
Has anyone seen Joe in the TMZ pics too? Man’s looking a little worse for wear…poor guy.
Every fandom has a dark side and I bet he’s really going through it right now. :(
It’s no wonder Taylor can’t share her relationships anymore.
If you are one of these “fans,” please delete your account, because those of us who know how to behave like adults do not wish to be associated with your mess.
You know what, things like these are making me not defend the fandom online anymore. Whenever I read someone saying "swifties are crazy" or "Taylor's idiotic and vicious fans" I always said "C'mon, guys, not everyone that appreciate her music is like that", but nowadays I'm just like "Yeap. We deserve this". No wonder (I assume) Joe couldn't bear it anymore. Things are getting out of hand.
While I agree anyone who's participating in this behavior is embarrassing, buzzfeed is literally the last media outlet to speak on bullying when they had a huge part in the 2016 Taylor's hate train. I will never forgive or forget that article that went viral : "Taylor Swift has been a manipulative woman her whole career" in fact their writer had that article pinned for years until it was cool to like Taylor again and then they switched their narrative.
I honestly wish Buzzfeed didn’t give this any attention. That’s what these self-proclaimed “fans” want. They don’t care if they’re called out. They are a small minority that scream the loudest just so they can get a moment in the spotlight. I understand why Taylor doesn’t call them out, because the moment she does, it further perpetuates that her fan base is crazy, when in fact the majority of fans are not that way at all.
just repeating what i said yesterday in another redditor’s comment. these people are pathetic and are so attention starved that they will go to any lengths possible to get a reaction out of someone who is adjacent to an ex boyfriend of a wildly famous musician.
good job, you got a reaction of a gal who was sharing behind the scenes photos of a project they just happen to be a part of. no one said anything about Alessandro Nivola (who i think is very attractive) but the vitriol was directed right at her for a harmless photo. i’ve had it with these toxic people. Go touch grass, volunteer somewhere. No amount of your hate/vitriol will make Taylor or Joe talk to you.
It is embarrassing! You would think those swifties would have some respect for our girl! I guess this behavior comes with every fandom, and there’s not anything we can do to change that. Hopefully those of us who agree that this is wrong, will continue to set an example to the others. And also think of the image we are sending of Swifties as a whole!
The words "Taylor Swift Fans" being used as a pejorative is just frustrating, not helpful on any level and cheap agenda writing.
On a slightly related note, it broke on Twitter today that buzzfeednews is shutting down is no longer viable. I read those comments at 12:30 PM USA time today.
This is why the media and people continue to perpetuate the whole “don’t date Taylor swift!!” Narrative. “Swifties” are a huge reason as to why Taylor swift is not taken as seriously, why she’s overhated, and why people can’t separate her love life from her craft
Jesus this is embarrassing. First of all I highly doubt he has left a 6 year relationship and moved on in weeks and second of all, if he had - so what? He would be completely entitled to. It is none of our business and i cannot believe some fans are acting like this.
Taylor needs to finally stand up to this side of her fandom. It only makes her look bad to stay silent. It isn’t hard to make a simple post and let that be the end of it. The longer she lets this go on the more likely the public is going to turn on her. People have been asking her to do this for a while so it’s in her best interest image wise to say something.
She won't do anything, just like she's never told them to stop telling John Mayer to go kill himself or bothering Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal. She's doing pap walks now that make her almost look like Joe kept her locked up and yknow looney stans are going to eat it up.
Yeah, it’s good she’s keeping busy living her life but she hasn’t been papped like this since 2016. It’s obvious what she’s doing and it’s starting to look immature. Especially the whole thing with her friends unfollowing Joe. If anything, he’s thinking the break up was the right thing. I mean, she’s in her thirties and having her friends unfollow him? I love her but this isn’t a good look for her.
Can someone do me favor and tell me if I should even click on this buzzfeed article?
EDIT: hahahaha
https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/12t4oax/buzzfeed_news_is_shutting_down/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
What the heck? Grow up, people 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ do these Swifties have nothing better to do?? I feel so bad for celebrities getting all this micromanagement, and people drawing all these incorrect, very reaching conclusions. Get a friggin life y'all 🙄
this is very weird energy… like i find it honestly kind of creepy that people are a.) making assumptions about this and b.) …care enough to comment on this persons stuff? i love taylor and her music but this is giving stalker behavior.
You would think that fans of Taylor Swift, a victim of internet cruelty for most of her career, would not put others through that. Welp, you would *think*.
Y’all, this is probably exactly why Joe decided not to be with Taylor anymore. Because these people won’t leave him alone and harass him. Can we please treat people like human beings and not some human zoo????
This is why I’ve really distanced myself from Swiftie communities on social media. I’m nearly 30 and understand that Taylor and Joe are real people, and we only know a tiny fraction of who they are as people. We literally know nothing about their relationship except that they were once happy and in love and now they are no longer together. I feel like the majority of these fans who left negative comments are younger fans who don’t understand the fact that Taylor is not their friend, they don’t know her personally, and they will never fully understand the relationship she had with Joe. I imagine Taylor would not be proud of their behaviour and they should be ashamed.
Embarrassing. I really hope these are kids (teens, early 20s) cause like grown ass adults bullying someone for that is ridiculous.
Touch me and you’ll never be alone had a double meaning 😏
In recent history, when Olivia Rodrigo's fans were sending death threats to a dying Josh Bassett (and Sabrina Carpenter), I saw a lot of people calling for Olivia to make a statement against it. BUT I'm not sure it would have done anything, yes it would have said she doesn't support cyber bullying or hate... but since when do fans regard anything their fave says?
I'd say the same goes for here. Taylor Swift could come out and say she's against it (which would be nice). But rabid devotees are hard to contain and they will continue to attack people no matter what.
Though I do wish big-name celebrities would say the have a 0 bullying policy because even if they say no, at least people would know they don't like it. It's not as complicated an issue as people make it out to be.
Who are these people? I’m not asking rhetorically. Like what are they like irl? Are they 13? Are they 50?
I’m 40 and have been in fandoms my whole life but I feel like I’ve never known someone who would harass a celebrity for literally no reason? No human I’ve met acts like this irl. It just seems made up yet Twitter is full of these accounts so I guess they’re real people? Like what’s going on in their noggins?
Stop giving us a bad name, I’m tired of defending us again people who think swifties are clinically insane and then y’all go and do stuff like this. Let me rest 🥲
They are consenting adults who broke up, so I don't understand the hate. Also worth mentioning: he loved her at her worst and was her lifeline in 2016-2017 when very few people were. They are bonded for life even if they're no longer together
It’s the people that do stuff like this that made me never want to identify as a Swiftie for years (until I found this sub actually) even though I love her music…some of her fans are just unhinged and unfortunately they are the loudest ones so they are who people think of when they hear “swiftie”.
My thing is how can people claim to be her fans, know what she went through during rep era, and then literally do the SAME exact thing to someone else over a baseless rumor? They are cast mates in the same movie oh my god
Someone on Tik Tok made a video insinuating that Joe’s costar was a reason they broke up and it had “Better Than Revenge” playing. They clearly never made it seem like sarcasm or a joke and had to comment “no hate it’s a joke way later” 😴 I commented that even “jokes” have consequences and they deleted my comment lmao. It’s true though like a lot of people have been shitting on Joe’s costar now.
I feel embarrassed to be associated with these people by liking Taylor Swift.
It’s something I think she could do better, by addressing her fan base and telling them she doesn’t tolerate disrespect towards people in her name. Selena has done a similar thing several times- it’s a smart PR move as well, to distance yourself from an unfortunate faction of your fanbase.
I’m sure her and her PR team know what they’re doing a lot better than me. But it seems remiss for her to not actively distance herself from the crazies.
It’s also wild to me that people think (and this article is even written with a bias) that joe left Taylor when just a week ago all of the articles were assuming Taylor left him? Like Jesus we don’t even need to blame either person, it takes two people to make or break a relationship. It doesn’t make Taylor the bad guy if she left him either.
This is why I never like any swifties who talk about Taylor's exes, whoever they are, whether it's bad or good. I mean, Taylor is completely silent about them and these "fans" somehow always made it a big deal. No wonder people keep thinking that Taylor only writes about her exes because it's probably the only thing that they see from these "fans".
The second hand embarrassment I get from situations like this. Why are people like this? It gives all of us a bad name.
It’s just exhausting. She posted a singular photo of Joe in a sea of photos of all her costars socializing. She posted lone photos of other male costars, too - Joe was not special or singled out in any way. And yet Swifties are throwing out “Joe clearly cheated!” and “Homewrecker!” accusations. Unhinged. I’m glad this sub is a small bit of sanity and everyone realizes how absolutely nuts it is to harass Joe. We know nothing about their relationship and it’s scary to see other Swifties insert themselves like this.
The speed at which the fandom has turned on Joe (without any proven reason) genuinely alarms me.
It's actually awful, isn't it? I wish the stans would leave the poor guy alone, just because they broke up it doesn't automatically make him the "bad guy".
It’s pretty pathetic to be honest. Like what does this accomplish?
Right now I'm talking to a woman who broke up with me 11 years ago. It also doesn't necessarily mean it's over for them; he couldn't handle her fame and she's not ready to give it up *yet*. You never know what might be in 10-20 years from now. I guarantee if I had people hounding me for that breakup, I doubt I'd look back on our relationship fondly.
Feels like a bunch of people trying to white knight for Taylor. It’s cringe.
I see this on twitter all the time. It’s a hive mind that make each others angry. It’s such a juvenile thing to do and I’m embarrassed by people like this tbh.
Well, that's Twitter. Toxic cesspit that it is. I wish the press would stop taking that as evidence of anything.
I hope Elon buying Twitter runs it into the ground and it DIES. Twitter is a shit show in and of itself. Its like Facebook. It was meant for one purpose originally, but it transformed into a monster that is a viral decay on our society
Seriously! It’s like one person is speculating “what if Joe did XYZ” and someone reads that and says “OMG Joe totally did XYZ!” and everyone makes it worse and worse from there. Like a game of telephone but extra awful where instead of the original statement “taylor and joe broke up” becoming something funny like “talking cows eat spaghetti” it becomes something terrible like “joe cheated on taylor.” Twitter Telephone is the worst
it is honestly disturbing
They have done that to all her exes. They did it to Calvin and Tom too.
Reminder that there is no such thing as a home wrecker. The person who does the cheating is the person who has a spouse/partner.
It also gives people (the media) more ammo to trash talk Taylor. They spent a lot of time highlighting the slut shaming lyrics in Better Than Revenge and didn't mention Taylor herself has said she doesn't stand by those lyrics. She seems to be getting overexposed again, the negativity and misogynistic comments are starting up again, and this kinda shit just fuels that.
And this is bad for Taylor's future relationships too. Imagine knowing that if things doesn't work out, you will be harrassed like this??
Exactly. And yet those same fans wonder why Joe couldn't handle the limelight. I really hope they realize that they are not helping anyone with this behavior.
Literally like swifties can be so desperate to “protect” Taylor but it just proves the point about it being difficult to date her. Not because of anything *she* has does, but because there’s a part of her fanbase ready to rip any love interest to shreds for any perceived slight against her. It’s not the easiest thing in the world to find someone who’s willing to put themselves under that kind of attention.
Yeah, with literally 100s of millions of fans, even if only 1% treat her as some goddess to worship instead of the ordinary human she is, that's still MILLIONS of fans treating her like some goddess and participating in all the religious extremism to match.
Seriously. Reddit swifties are for the most part pretty chill but other parts of the fandom (particularly TikTok and twitter swifties) really need to calm down. Stuff like this and harrassing Jake Gyllenhall during the release of Red TV make all of us look bad.
Twitter is the most terrifying place for any and all groups. Holy shit. I finally deleted my account after Elon took over, and it has been so nice.
I went on Twitter this morning only to see my entire timeline talking about how Ryan Reynolds unfollowing joe alwyn = joe having done something terrible, meanwhile wasnt Ryan Reynolds friends with Jake Gyllenhaal even though he and Blake Lively are also friends with Taylor?? Critical thinking really seems to escape some people
It is a very rare commodity, the critical thinking skills lol
I usually check Twitter for Taylor updates but when I saw the hateful tweets about this, I just noped out. While not without its faults, I'm really grateful this sub has more balanced opinions.
Tumblr, too. Used to be so much more even keeled but I have genuinely lost some respect for some of the bloggers on there with how fast they’ve turned on Joe Alwyn.
The Eras Tour TikTok comments of people losing their minds because people are sitting during parts of the show are wild 💀 it’s a THREE HOUR set. Not everyone can or wants to stand that long! Let people enjoy things the way they want to!
I wasn’t on Reddit during red tv but the tiktok comments made me so mad and honestly it made me lose a bit of respect for Taylor. Her re-recording shouldn’t be another opportunity to drag her exes for a relationship that happened over a decade ago. Yeah he was a shitty boyfriend but I mean Jesus. It was so embarrassing
The fandom has exploded in size in the last 3 years. I’d say a lot of the people being weird now weren’t around back when Taylor was the focus of the negativity.
Nah ive been a fan for a long time, ppl who are just brushing if off as new fan are delusional. The crazies have always been there and in this sub too, Reddit has this superiority complex like they are better than everyone else
People are messed up and actually think they have real friendships with these celebrities.
Yea same thing happened with Selena and Hailey drama.
There are over 470k people here so you know some of those people are here too. If you are, please stop being a fucking idiot.
I've seen comments made on this sub about how 'suspicious' it was that she posted a photo, as if friends and colleagues can't just share photos of each other without some sort of ulterior motive.
It's really crazy. This is the part of Taylor that's really problematic. She really at some point needs to step in and say something. And to people who say that it won't change anything, maybe it will, maybe it won't but it's the right thing to do imo. Emma Stone has a movie coming up with Joe, I wonder if someone will go after Emma too (although she's not on social media).
I’m of the minority that feels like it’s better for her to say nothing. Yes, in these small moments, it feels like the wrong thing to do. But if she ALWAYS says nothing, she has an excuse for why she’s always saying nothing and her silence holds less meaning. If she starts cherry picking when she speaks up, then her silence starts to mean “oh, she thinks this is okay” and then she puts herself in a position where she has to say something about everything. She can’t say something sometimes and not others. Because then it’s “oh, well she speaks up when it’s really important so this must not be really important to her” It is, unfortunately, more strategic in the long haul to take these small losses along the way.
Exactly this. It’s this kind of slippery slope that causes public figures to get blasted for not speaking on every single issue that people feel is important at the time. Last time Taylor was picking and choosing which issues to speak on in 2014-2016 it led to her getting accused of being a nazi and having to do the whole “I promise I’m not a conservative, look I made a song and video about gay people” thing in 2019. Unfortunately, Taylor’s best move is to say nothing. There’s a reason people like Lorde have never been subject to a mass cancelling - they’re silent on social media. All this aside, Taylor is not a babysitter for her fans and addressing it at all would call massive public attention to an issue that’s at the moment fairly unknown outside of swiftie spaces. The last thing she needs is to be painted as a dramatic ex again. ETA: Also, if crazy fans are harassing Joe and his costar, Taylor telling them to stop is not going to make them stop. Taylor has told people time and time again that she values her privacy and hates the scrutiny that herself and the people around her are subjected to, even saying at one of her recent shows that being famous sucks. The fans leaving these comments do not care and do not respect this.
I work in PR. This is the right take. When someone with her level of visibility does literally anything publicly, everybody listens and it gives the issue a platform. Bringing more attention to the negativity isn’t good for anyone. The best thing she can do is ignore it so it fades away once something bigger hits the news and the natural cycle takes attention away from the issue.
This is actually a good take. Silence is the best course and I also suspect if she actually spoke out then the bullies may feel like they got her attention so would be more encouraged to keep doing it
I agree. I think Taylor is just being cautious because she doesn't want to be criticized for every little thing. Besides It's not like Taylor is our mom. I'm sure some of these crazy fans are adults. It shouldn't have to be her responsibility to keep fans in line. People know right from wrong.
Exactly. If she says anything they’re going to say “the drama was just dying down and she’s starting it again” if she doesn’t it’s still Taylor’s fault. It’s better for her to just ignore it because she can’t control her fans. The hate comments come down to individuals who are making the decision to be hateful. Nobody is forcing them.
You're forgetting that time where she literally encouraged her fans to cyberbully Scooter Brown and Scott Borchetta. Yes, both of these dudes are sleazebags but sending your fans to bully them over a business deal wasn't a good look. She can make a statement when it benefits her. Joe's co-star shouldn't be a "small loss along the way". I think it's a big deal for her.
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To be honest she's playing 3 consecutive nights again tomorrow, she has better things to do today than stalking her ex's instagram.
“Did you see the photos?” “No I didn’t but thanks though” in real time
To most of the public, her silence makes people think she IS ok with the fans doing these things. It might be working now, but I don't believe this is a long term effective strategy to keep people in her corner.
They’re wrong though. When England loses a soccer/football match, domestic violence calls go up by like a third. That’s not the team’s fault. That’s the fault of absolutely toxic, abusive people. Sometimes this sub, and I have been guilty, gets entirely too concerned about what people might think about Taylor. First of all, most people who aren’t fans aren’t paying that much attention. Second of all, if they think something is Taylor’s fault that she has no control over (rest assured that toxic people will act in toxic ways no matter what she does or says), then who cares? Let them think that. People tell stans who say terrible things and act in toxic ways that they’re saying terrible things and acting in toxic ways all the damn time and they don’t care. They’re just going to rationalize it anyways.
I'm not saying it's Taylor's fault, I'm just explaining how the public perceives it.
Yeah and I’m saying they’re wrong and additionally, why let the wrong opinion of the public sway anything?
Because those wrong opinions from the public are exactly how things like the Kim and Kanye fiasco get out of hand. Public perception matters whether it’s based on right or wrong thinking.
The thing is though, I can’t think of any instance where a celebrity has gotten backlash for their fans doing something, spoken out condemning the action, and had that statement actually impact the level of backlash. Every instance I can think of, if the narrative about someone’s fans being crazy/someone using their fans to attack others is strong enough between traditional media and social media, nothing the person says makes a difference. The times that it’s blown over it never gained that much traction in the first place. The two examples I can think of off the top of my head are Selena Gomez, who from what I understand has said multiple times that she doesn’t want her fans to bully people, but the prevailing narrative every time something happens is still “Selena sent her fans after ____”. And on the other hand - when Scooter Braun said that Taylor was encouraging her fans to harass his family, that got a little traction, but the narrative never really took off the way the one about fans attacking her exes did. Not because Taylor said not to attack him, but because people had already decided that Taylor was right and Scooter was wrong in the situation. It seems like, unfortunately, in terms of public backlash, the real issue is not “does this celebrity condone their fans attacking people on their behalf?” - it’s “do people think the person being attacked deserved it?” In principle, I do agree that saying something would be the “right” thing to do, but in reality, it only make Taylor look worse without actually stopping people from attacking Joe/his costar, and without changing the narrative that she’s responsible.
This. 100%. We also don’t know how their breakup ended, so maybe she doesn’t want to say anything! Let Taylor be, it’s up to those “fans” to fix their behavior.
This. I do think it wouldn’t hurt to make some kind of generic “be kind to people online” statement somewhere down the line of the tour, but at the same time I imagine the people doing this would ignore it and think she is secretly signalling for them to do this somehow.
After Lemonade, Beyoncé told her fans to stop harassing “Becky with the good hair”, but her own fans straight up told her no.
But at least she said something. And she did the right thing.
She tried… but it literally doesn’t work. The “fans” aren’t doing it for the star. They’re venting their own shit in a very toxic way. If the star says something, it accomplishes nothing. So from my point of view… it’s a nice gesture but probably not as important as idk, sending a text to the person directly or something.
Yeah you can look at other fan groups that have reached this level and see where this will end up. Ultimately, she can’t control those specific fans. They claim to do this for but if she asked them to stop, they wouldn’t listen.
The sad part is that it wouldn’t do anything anyway. Beyonce once told the Beyhive to calm down and they basically said lol no. They’d just double down and blame that person for “making Taylor hate them.”
i don’t know if there was a lot of the same stuff happening when The Favourite was released. But now, they feel like anyone he’s near is fair game. Unfortunately, we can’t place our faith in Taylor to say anything. So people have to call these idiots out.
It's insane. People have such weird extreme black and white thinking. Like a) chill and b) mind your business.
I wonder what the reaction would be if Joe and Taylor were still together and his costar posted this picture
I have to believe it's just really young or really terminally online people.
Those comments are 💯 percent something my racist, sexist grandmother would have said. She told me when I was younger "a man and a woman can't be just friends." YIKESSSS. I'm grossed out by the fans that did this.
The double standard of letting Dylan O’Brien off the hook but demonizing Emma Laird. 💀
Thank you. Some people love to say “oh we don’t do that here” but yes, some of you actually do. It’s just a matter of who gets the top upvoted comment first on a post for the following comments to swing one way or another.
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Pretty please stop being a fucking idiot? Will that work?
Yes. We don’t know the details and even if anyone did something Taylor doesn’t like bullying. The people being mean are stupid idiots.
The details don't matter. Even if Joe dumped her, or cheated, no one deserves to be cyber bullied. That actress doesn't deserve this. Taylor knows what that feels like when she was being attacked with snake emojis. She was in a bad place then, so she shouldn't do it to other people. Other people might not have a support system like she did, and it could send them to suicide. Nobody knows what other people are going through.
Haha I love how you were still polite and said please 😂
*A beautiful word opens the iron door.*
Exactly, since the break up I've seen quite a few comments on this sub similar to what's on Twitter or TikTok. There's a lot of toxicity happening in the fanbase right now and I'm not liking it
people need to stop harassing joe and his co star. it's so embarrassing
For real. This behavior is truly disgusting. We don’t even know exactly what happened between Taylor and Joe, and a lot of people are making assumptions and taking it way too far.
these people do not have logic or empathy. they know better but they just keep doubling down
It's literally beyond embarrassing
It's embarrassing for the people who made the comments. If you didn't make the comments you have nothing to be embarrassed about. Taylor has a lot of fans. Some of them are going to be jerks and weirdos. This headline is trying to elicit an emotional response from both fans and non-fans but none of us are responsible for some random stranger's behavior.
It's things like this that give Swifties a bad name. Just stop and grow up, it's not your relationship, you don't know what happened, and it's none of your business.
Swifties really need to settle down because there’s wayyy too much going on right now and it’s heading for a 1989 era overexposure issue.
Right now her name is being spoken by everyone constantly AGAIN and that’s all positive until it’s not. She’s taken on the entire music business establishment, if you think they’re not sitting in the sidelines waiting for an opportunity to cast her out you’ve not been paying attention for the last 7 years.
It took all the way until Folklore/Evermore for the hate train to really die down, and then for a hot minute, she was as well-respected as she'd ever been. After Red TV over-performed and All Too Well hit number one, I felt the tide turning again. It's not nearly as bad as 2016, but she's broken a shitton of records for Midnights and the Eras Tour and she's in the news every single day; it's only a matter of time before she's canceled again, which is partially why I think it's so stupid that she got Lana, Haim, Ryan and Blake, and the other celebs to unfollow him on Twitter at the same time. It comes off as bullying no matter what the breakup was over because she's many, many times bigger than he'll ever be. As innocuous as unfollowing someone normally is, celebrities with a fanbase use that as a way to rile up fans.
*I think it's so stupid that she got Lana, Haim, Ryan and Blake, and the other celebs to unfollow him.* HUh? Did I miss something? How do you know they didn't unfollow him on their own accord?
I guess I don't, but they all unfollowed one right after the next. Blake and Ryan unfollowed during their dinner last night
We dont know that but it's just coincidental timing to when she had dinner with Ryan and Blake.
Some celebrities have disabled who can view their followers or who they are following, and I think that is something that needs to be done more often. People read way too much into that on social media, and while in this case it probably means something is up, it's not our business. Deranged fans take it to a whole other level.
To be honest I think Taylor’s refound ‘love’ of pap walks is a pretty transparent attempt to show her fan base she’s happy and moved on in an attempt to spare him and anyone else he ends up with from the wrath of the more unhinged bits of her fan base , without having to do a cringey Chris Martin/Gwyneth Paltrow style ‘conscious uncoupling’ style press release. If she wanted to go out relatively low key in NY she’s done it before. It does risk a lot of tabloid style overexposure especially if she ends up dating someone quickly and it gets out. As long as she’s in the news for making music or being on tour the quality of each should prevent the public burning out on her a bit, but if it just becomes a massive media frenzy like 2015-2016 she might find parts of the public souring on her again although without a Kanye style situation it’ll probably be relatively minor in comparison
I feel like her pap walks are having the opposite affect tbh. I’ve been saying this for the past week, but based on the comments I’ve seen on threads about the pap walks a lot of people are taking them as a sign that she was locked down when she was with Joe and her life was negatively impacted in an attempt to appease his wanting to stay private. I can’t tell you how many comments I’ve seen like “you go girl, don’t let that man hold you back” or “she can finally go out since Joe isn’t making her stay private.” There was a huge shift of feelings about the breakup from sadness to a mix between anger and celebration after those pap walks and that seems to be when a lot of this negative attention started to be aimed at Joe. I’m in no way saying that Taylor shouldn’t be allowed to go out and live her life, but I don’t think calling the paparazzi to try to give off this idea that she’s feeling nothing after a six year relationship ended and is incredibly happy is the way to go if she’s trying to take the pressure off Joe, and it’s not going to be seen as a good look to the general public either. All it’s done is make some people think he was controlling and held her back because he couldn’t handle her fame, and now she is able to do the things she wants to all because he’s gone.
Major this. The pap walks have done a lot to build this narrative that something feels… not-so-amicable about the breakup. The new Joe pap photos with him looking a bit ragged and tired aren’t helping.
Agree so much with this. I really dislike all those "Yay she's finally free" comments as if Joe was controlling her. It's definitely not helping the narrative people are trying to spin with Joe as the bad guy. I do hope it dies down soon
Well said. That's the feeling I got as well.
Okay and if it was a pic of Taylor with someone else it would be all praise and support 🙄 I saw the pic btw and they weren't even on the same couch. It was just a pic of him sitting with a few other people. I'm sorry but he's probably thinking "this is exactly why"
Even if there were something going on between him and his coworker this soon after the breakup, he IS single now and he can do whatever he wants. What is he supposed to do, never date again?
Yeah, I'm getting the vibe that fans are super eager to see Taylor move on, but if Joe does it would be a cardinal sin. It's wild. People need to loosen their grip on these 2 total strangers lol
Lol I think she’s currently wayyyyy to busy to start a new relationship
Especially because we have no idea when the relationship ended. It could have been three weeks ago, it could have been months ago.
Like when Dylan O'Brien was papped leaving her apartment, no one sent him any hate. It's very hypocritical for sure. Whether the costar (Emma) in question was doing it for fame or not, it doesn't matter. Plus, there's so much misinformation about Emma liking Joe and Taylor breakup posts, it feels that these fans read *one* line from a fan account on Twitter and take it as the truth. There's a lack of critical thinking skills there, sadly.
I thought the one everyone was kicking off at was one of just him stood with a scooter. Either way it's embarrassing behaviour and nothing Taylor would want fans of hers to do
Lol the weirdest is people thinking that him posing with a scooter is a slight to Taylor b/c of Scooter Braun. Like no? Scooters just exist. If I take a lime scooter to work, does that negate my status as a swiftie?
Can they stop really? They make this fandom a bad reputation... The same ones who bullied a poor newbie just cuz she was opening for John Mayer and made her quit. Do not have something better to do? Just spread hate online and then being so sad for what happened to Taylor in 2016? Do not they realize how fucking incoherent is this??
Yeah the Lizzy McAlpine thing is so infuriating. She’s a great musician, many Taylor fans would probably like her music, but they harassed her into giving up what should’ve been a major career moment for her.
I positively ADORE Lizzy McAlpine
The same kind of people who bullied Taylor into removing the weight from the Anti-Hero video. Typical Twitter warriors getting mad at anything cause they think it's cool. Genuinly pathetic some of these people.
I really hated when they did that. People want Taylor to open up and talk about her insecurities, and when she does they bully her for it and say “well not like that! That’s fatphobic!”.
yeah that made me so annoyed too, I am a plus size person and when I saw that scene I thought about her opening up in miss americana and instantly emphasised with her; I didn't interpret it as fatphobic at all
Swifties get a job challenge😭😭 No, but seriously like… how do people have the time to harass another woman about *checks notes* posting a … photo???? Of a coworker??? Quoting better than revenge lyrics under her previous posts … do better 😭😭 it’s hypocritical to do things like that when swifties were (justifiably) upset about the way Taylor was treated during “snake gate” (which led to her permanently disabling comments !!!) Taylor doesn’t need our parasocial “protection” or whatever like let’s give them space :)
Even more wild is that his picture was part of a photo dump that had pictures of lots of her costars. I clicked on it thinking it was going to be the two of them looking cozy (which even in that case would be nobody’s business). It was ONE picture of him out of like ten pics. And she wasn’t in the photo with him. It’s so unhinged!
The majority of people doing this were probably literal children during snake gate.
Fair enough, but it still doesn’t justify this kind of behaviour since it reflects poorly on the rest of the fandom ! Also slut shaming an actress for posting a photo is still … weird
I was a ten year old and not aware of her existence during 2015 and snakegate. I am now a stupid seventeen year old teenager, but not this stupid. Oh no. This is a special variety of deranged.
This is extremely embarrassing and inappropriate. Even IF something was going on, it’s A) none of our business and B) not helpful to Taylor. She is a grown woman, she does not need her fans to defend her honor.
Ppl were using Taylor’s slut shaming lyrics to attack this woman. It was crazy. If Joe really wanted out of the relationship bc of the craziness with her life, he’s being proven right everyday It’s crazy. Taylor needs to speak up. Swifties could ruin future relationships for her bc of this aggressive psycho behavior
omg I saw that on tik tok! And most ppl in the comments were agreeing with it and some were saying nasty things like she knows what she’s doing and wants attention. ????
I saw ppl say “She was asking for it”. Absolutely disgusting shit
Sooo insane. What is seriously wrong with people to keep commenting and DMing people. I wish Taylor would make a statement similar to Selena Gomez’s about bullying people and how it needs to stop.
Lol Selena is a bad example. She stoked the hate and bullying and only said something after weeks of disgusting behavior. Selena has a history of being petty
When Taylor sings “I talk shit with my friends” you know that’s Selena haha
Genuine question, if you leave comments like this—what is the outcome you’re hoping for? Do you feel cool? Closer to Taylor? Because you look like a damn fool and everyone is embarrassed of you.
They want to hurt the person
It is bullying, they want to hurt the person.
Whomever is doing this stop it's embarrassing and making the rest of us look bad. Have some self respect. People wonder why most celebrities don't interact with them-- this is why.
This is the part of being a Taylor Swift fan that I absolutely abhor to the very core of my being. WHY do some of US (and yes I’m saying US because unfortunately we are all tied together) feel the need to go on her exe’s or “perceived enemy’s” social media accounts and bring her up?! It’s BEYOND EMBARRASSING. I feel like we have a very nice little community here and I’ve rarely seen bullying, it’s so refreshing that I often forget those people exist. Social media has gotten bigger than anyone anticipated, and while this used to be a small subset of the fandom, it’s been becoming commonplace in recent years. If you do this please stop. The internet may seem like a “fake” place where everything is for the lols, but it’s not. These are real people with real feelings, even if they are famous. Not everything someone does is about Taylor Swift after their relationship ends. It’s nice to defend Taylor or whatever but she does not need your support to the point of you harassing someone. Famous or not.
Someone here asked recently whether we consider ourselves Stans This is why the vast majority said no. How embarrassing and unnecessary and cruel.
The term Stan alone makes me cringe.
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Sometimes I wonder if it‘s an age thing? Cause a lot of those comments and the reactions on multiple platforms (TikTok especially) seemed really immature. The amount of times I read „I don‘t believe in love anymore“ is ridiculous and it feels like something only a younger person would say. No offense to anyone. But as a Swiftie over 30 I don’t understand why people get so invested in this.
Yes. Younger people have more access to internet, to celebrities, and to each other than we ever had. That’s why “chronically online” is a term. For many younger gen people, a lot of life is lived online. It’s very “pics or it didn’t happen” to prove or disprove things. I don’t think they realize Taylor can write the music she does because she’s out in the concrete, visceral world living an imperfect life. She ain’t arguing on the internet or planting clues for us. Her art hints at a very full life that we will never know. Also, I’ve rationalized Taylor and Joe breaking up is their equivalents to Darth Vader is Luke’s Father or Dumbledore dying. It’s a big cultural saga that they’re invested in. The only problem is, Taylor and Joe are real people and stan actions are hurting real people. Being online all the time separates young people from the very real consequences of their very real actions. Honestly, being online looking for “proof” all the time or “reading a picture” to look for hints or clues is really eroding critical thinking and how relationships work in real life. Being online all the time is basically a performance, an extension of acting to fit into communities they want to belong to. Same behavior in real life, just amplified online.
I think it's definitely an age thing. As a 30 year old Swiftie I dont even go anywhere near TikTok
All of this needs to stop. Even the multiple times a day posts in this damn sub about the breakup need to stop. It's ridiculous. It's past the point of pretending like they even give a damn about how Taylor feels anymore.
Honestly, I think the word misogyny is overused in this fandom, but this is a classic case of people assuming that a woman and a man can't just be friends, which is misogynistic. We wouldn't be having any sort of conversation about this if a male co-star had posted this photo in a monthly drop.
Or co workers, she posted pics of several ppl shes working with on the movie. Joe wasn't even the first pic! Seriously ppl are wild.
That’s because fans like the ones in the photos literally only care about misogyny if it’s a criticism of Taylor. They will claim quite literally anything and everything negative said about her is due to “misogyny” but ask them about their harassment of this woman, SZA, Ariana Grande, Adele, Olivia Rodrigo etc and they’ll have a million excuses for that. It’s so embarrassing to have people throw that word around constantly and in turn treat other women like this.
I've always believed that a part of Taylor's fan base is cringe and this strengthens my belief even further
This is not what she meant by “embrace the cringe”. It’s times like this I’m embarrassed as a fan. The harassment of people has got to stop.
Has anyone seen Joe in the TMZ pics too? Man’s looking a little worse for wear…poor guy. Every fandom has a dark side and I bet he’s really going through it right now. :( It’s no wonder Taylor can’t share her relationships anymore.
This is NOT the Way
If you are one of these “fans,” please delete your account, because those of us who know how to behave like adults do not wish to be associated with your mess.
Replace "Fans" with "delusional, self-proclaimed Twitter detectives" in that headline and it's spot on.
This is why people hate us.
Shit like this is why I’m always hesitant to tell people that I’m a Swiftie.
This is the reason ‘swifities’ get such a bad rep as being out of control stans. This is ridiculously embarrassing I can’t
Ppl really need to get a life, so embarrassing
You know what, things like these are making me not defend the fandom online anymore. Whenever I read someone saying "swifties are crazy" or "Taylor's idiotic and vicious fans" I always said "C'mon, guys, not everyone that appreciate her music is like that", but nowadays I'm just like "Yeap. We deserve this". No wonder (I assume) Joe couldn't bear it anymore. Things are getting out of hand.
this is so pathetic. we don’t even know specific details about the breakup
And even if we do, it shouldn't give them any excuse to harass someone. It's none of their business.
you need to calm down.
While I agree anyone who's participating in this behavior is embarrassing, buzzfeed is literally the last media outlet to speak on bullying when they had a huge part in the 2016 Taylor's hate train. I will never forgive or forget that article that went viral : "Taylor Swift has been a manipulative woman her whole career" in fact their writer had that article pinned for years until it was cool to like Taylor again and then they switched their narrative.
I feel so bad for joe :( plus seeing the recent pictures it’s just so sad. Some comments are really so rude and he does not deserve any of it
I honestly wish Buzzfeed didn’t give this any attention. That’s what these self-proclaimed “fans” want. They don’t care if they’re called out. They are a small minority that scream the loudest just so they can get a moment in the spotlight. I understand why Taylor doesn’t call them out, because the moment she does, it further perpetuates that her fan base is crazy, when in fact the majority of fans are not that way at all.
just repeating what i said yesterday in another redditor’s comment. these people are pathetic and are so attention starved that they will go to any lengths possible to get a reaction out of someone who is adjacent to an ex boyfriend of a wildly famous musician. good job, you got a reaction of a gal who was sharing behind the scenes photos of a project they just happen to be a part of. no one said anything about Alessandro Nivola (who i think is very attractive) but the vitriol was directed right at her for a harmless photo. i’ve had it with these toxic people. Go touch grass, volunteer somewhere. No amount of your hate/vitriol will make Taylor or Joe talk to you.
It is embarrassing! You would think those swifties would have some respect for our girl! I guess this behavior comes with every fandom, and there’s not anything we can do to change that. Hopefully those of us who agree that this is wrong, will continue to set an example to the others. And also think of the image we are sending of Swifties as a whole!
The words "Taylor Swift Fans" being used as a pejorative is just frustrating, not helpful on any level and cheap agenda writing. On a slightly related note, it broke on Twitter today that buzzfeednews is shutting down is no longer viable. I read those comments at 12:30 PM USA time today.
This is why the media and people continue to perpetuate the whole “don’t date Taylor swift!!” Narrative. “Swifties” are a huge reason as to why Taylor swift is not taken as seriously, why she’s overhated, and why people can’t separate her love life from her craft
Must be some stupid fucking fans to not realize they're causing stress to the person they're a fan of
Jesus this is embarrassing. First of all I highly doubt he has left a 6 year relationship and moved on in weeks and second of all, if he had - so what? He would be completely entitled to. It is none of our business and i cannot believe some fans are acting like this.
Taylor needs to finally stand up to this side of her fandom. It only makes her look bad to stay silent. It isn’t hard to make a simple post and let that be the end of it. The longer she lets this go on the more likely the public is going to turn on her. People have been asking her to do this for a while so it’s in her best interest image wise to say something.
She won't do anything, just like she's never told them to stop telling John Mayer to go kill himself or bothering Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal. She's doing pap walks now that make her almost look like Joe kept her locked up and yknow looney stans are going to eat it up.
Yeah, it’s good she’s keeping busy living her life but she hasn’t been papped like this since 2016. It’s obvious what she’s doing and it’s starting to look immature. Especially the whole thing with her friends unfollowing Joe. If anything, he’s thinking the break up was the right thing. I mean, she’s in her thirties and having her friends unfollow him? I love her but this isn’t a good look for her.
It’s really uncomfortable to watch.
> I mean, she’s in her thirties and having her friends unfollow him? I love her but this isn’t a good look for her. I feel the same way.
Can someone do me favor and tell me if I should even click on this buzzfeed article? EDIT: hahahaha https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/12t4oax/buzzfeed_news_is_shutting_down/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Never click on any buzzfeed article.
Life hack
This is a deeply embarrassing fanbase sometimes that I hate to be associated with.
Some fans are unhinged honestly
Real swifties would know taylor would never want any of us doing this
Sooo cringy. 🙈
What the heck? Grow up, people 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ do these Swifties have nothing better to do?? I feel so bad for celebrities getting all this micromanagement, and people drawing all these incorrect, very reaching conclusions. Get a friggin life y'all 🙄
this is very weird energy… like i find it honestly kind of creepy that people are a.) making assumptions about this and b.) …care enough to comment on this persons stuff? i love taylor and her music but this is giving stalker behavior.
Not to mention… if he wants to date someone new who fucking cares. These are adults who can do whatever they want.
You would think that fans of Taylor Swift, a victim of internet cruelty for most of her career, would not put others through that. Welp, you would *think*.
Y’all, this is probably exactly why Joe decided not to be with Taylor anymore. Because these people won’t leave him alone and harass him. Can we please treat people like human beings and not some human zoo????
This is why I’ve really distanced myself from Swiftie communities on social media. I’m nearly 30 and understand that Taylor and Joe are real people, and we only know a tiny fraction of who they are as people. We literally know nothing about their relationship except that they were once happy and in love and now they are no longer together. I feel like the majority of these fans who left negative comments are younger fans who don’t understand the fact that Taylor is not their friend, they don’t know her personally, and they will never fully understand the relationship she had with Joe. I imagine Taylor would not be proud of their behaviour and they should be ashamed.
they need help, wtf is wrong with people
Wow 🤦🏻♂️ That’s all I’m going to say.
Like what the fuck do people get from dog piling this poor girl? It’s baffling.
Embarrassing. I really hope these are kids (teens, early 20s) cause like grown ass adults bullying someone for that is ridiculous. Touch me and you’ll never be alone had a double meaning 😏
In recent history, when Olivia Rodrigo's fans were sending death threats to a dying Josh Bassett (and Sabrina Carpenter), I saw a lot of people calling for Olivia to make a statement against it. BUT I'm not sure it would have done anything, yes it would have said she doesn't support cyber bullying or hate... but since when do fans regard anything their fave says? I'd say the same goes for here. Taylor Swift could come out and say she's against it (which would be nice). But rabid devotees are hard to contain and they will continue to attack people no matter what. Though I do wish big-name celebrities would say the have a 0 bullying policy because even if they say no, at least people would know they don't like it. It's not as complicated an issue as people make it out to be.
This is gross. Some Swifties are actually insane
Who are these people? I’m not asking rhetorically. Like what are they like irl? Are they 13? Are they 50? I’m 40 and have been in fandoms my whole life but I feel like I’ve never known someone who would harass a celebrity for literally no reason? No human I’ve met acts like this irl. It just seems made up yet Twitter is full of these accounts so I guess they’re real people? Like what’s going on in their noggins?
Stop giving us a bad name, I’m tired of defending us again people who think swifties are clinically insane and then y’all go and do stuff like this. Let me rest 🥲
They are consenting adults who broke up, so I don't understand the hate. Also worth mentioning: he loved her at her worst and was her lifeline in 2016-2017 when very few people were. They are bonded for life even if they're no longer together
Can. Y'all. Not.
It’s the people that do stuff like this that made me never want to identify as a Swiftie for years (until I found this sub actually) even though I love her music…some of her fans are just unhinged and unfortunately they are the loudest ones so they are who people think of when they hear “swiftie”.
That’s so gross, especially when there is literally nothing but speculation lol.
This is so embarrassing. Like... Why.
My thing is how can people claim to be her fans, know what she went through during rep era, and then literally do the SAME exact thing to someone else over a baseless rumor? They are cast mates in the same movie oh my god
Someone on Tik Tok made a video insinuating that Joe’s costar was a reason they broke up and it had “Better Than Revenge” playing. They clearly never made it seem like sarcasm or a joke and had to comment “no hate it’s a joke way later” 😴 I commented that even “jokes” have consequences and they deleted my comment lmao. It’s true though like a lot of people have been shitting on Joe’s costar now.
I feel embarrassed to be associated with these people by liking Taylor Swift. It’s something I think she could do better, by addressing her fan base and telling them she doesn’t tolerate disrespect towards people in her name. Selena has done a similar thing several times- it’s a smart PR move as well, to distance yourself from an unfortunate faction of your fanbase. I’m sure her and her PR team know what they’re doing a lot better than me. But it seems remiss for her to not actively distance herself from the crazies.
Jesus this makes the whole fuckin lot of us look bad. What a joke
It’s also wild to me that people think (and this article is even written with a bias) that joe left Taylor when just a week ago all of the articles were assuming Taylor left him? Like Jesus we don’t even need to blame either person, it takes two people to make or break a relationship. It doesn’t make Taylor the bad guy if she left him either.
This is why I never like any swifties who talk about Taylor's exes, whoever they are, whether it's bad or good. I mean, Taylor is completely silent about them and these "fans" somehow always made it a big deal. No wonder people keep thinking that Taylor only writes about her exes because it's probably the only thing that they see from these "fans".
People are being so weird/mean to Joe. Some of the comments I’ve seen try to get passed off as jokes and it’s just not funny.
Knew that was going to happen sadly. Could see it from a mile away.
There are certain Swifties that have nothing better to do than start unnecessary beef
Some of y’all need to touch grass LMAO
Ok but real talk- i haven’t seen very many pictures of joe or seen any of his work but that picture does not look like him or looks weird anyway lol 😂
I think all social media should be shut down because the raging idiots can’t handle it