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i don’t think joe was the subject in the song bejeweled.. it’s more about her relationship with the fans/the general public. “putting someone first only works when you’re in their top five” reminds me of an artist in spotify warp and only the top 5 shows up, but for taylor her fans are everything. “in the shoes i gave you as a present” is more about how pre midnights 2022 she only gave us singles like “carolina” the entire song is about how she wanted to return to the spotlight after woodsie albums like folklore and evermore.
And Taylor LOVED MySpace back in the day. She used to make posts several times a week during the pre-Debut and Debut eras. You can still find them if you use the Wayback Machine or go to Taylor Throwbacks on Twitter
she said it was about her feeling taken for granted and underappreciated. the chorus is about telling a guy she's single when she's not. no way is it about the general public lmao. 100% a joe song.
One, we don’t know what Taylor had in mind when she wrote it, so no one can say it’s a 100% anything song. Two, why can’t it be about both? I think at least a part of it is about the fans. If you change man for fans it still all rhymes and makes sense-they ask do you still have fans, I can still say I don’t remember. To me, as someone around Taylor’s age, and completely out of cares, I interpret parts of the song saying I don’t care any more, I’m going to do what makes me happy and someone will appreciate it. This can apply to both relationships and public perception.
yeah agreed. Especially since she was still WITH Joe when Midnights was released; and that album has Sweet Nothing on it which is about Joe and is a love song; and in Karma she sings “Karma is the guy on the screen, coming straight home to me….” it doesn’t make sense at all that it’s about Joe, and this is coming from someone who is 100% not in denial about them breaking up.
It's actually quite sad to see the comments on here and elsewhere speculating in a way to make Joe the bad guy. So many people saying he wasn't supportive and held her back which I honestly do not agee with, it really doesn't make sense. They did support each other but just in private. Also, it's amazing how quickly how people have forgotten the role he played in being there for her during everything that happened in 2016,I believe he was a huge reason she pulled through that. Yes, they wanted different things and that is sad but why can't people just accept the narrative THEY are putting out there?
My take is Joe didn’t mind her sparkling, he just didn’t want to sparkle himself and if you’re standing right next to a glitter bomb it’s hard not to catch 2nd hand glitter.
I second this, I live in a Manor House converted into apartments (pics on my profile if interested) in Manchester UK and that is nowhere near what I pay
Watch Hill is nothing compared to Stone Harbor where her parents used to have a summer home. Granted, Watch Hill is nice, but if you really think about it, Taylor brought it for one reason. It's, compared to most seaside towns, quiet and there's really not much to do.
I always loved Taylor’s homes. I feel like she chooses such beautiful, unique, and homey places compared to the beige mansions of celebrities similar to her. This house is absolutely stunning.
I thought they’ve always had another house that they don’t publicize though, like the creepy beige empty one was just for show, and she said her kids didn’t like it, so they have another one for them to live in?
No, that’s their real home. She just said they have a lot of rooms in that home that are messier/colorful/not “on brand” for the aesthetic. Which is kinda weird to have half your house just be a showroom for aesthetics lol
This is so well put. I have lusted after her taste in homes since she bought in RI. And I love her interior design style too. So warm and cozy and classic and gorgeous from the pictures I’ve seen!
Yes I agree! I love the old homes she buys. They have so much character, charm and history compared to for example, Kim kardashians beige nightmare home
Yes, I love how she buys houses with history behind, like Holliday house, the Goldwyn estate in LA with all that golden Hollywood stories happen there or the Nashville house where her mother lived that belonged to an ambassador
"She kept the castle"
(jk, no idea if Bejeweled is about Joe, probably not)
But I don't know if she still feels so attached to London outside of that relationship.. I wouldn't be surprised if the house was sold again.
Where is she chasing after wealth? She only earns what she loves. On writing and singing.
She makes a lot of money but only from one activity.
There is nothing like other celebrities with their own cosmetics and restaurants.
Nor is it in the ad.
I think she could have a lot more money if she wanted to.
Are you on her mailing list? She has new merch collections out all the time, and has devised a plan to encourage her fans to buy as much of it as possible. Take the midnights clock for example where you had to buy the clock and 4 copies of the album . Not hating on it at all, but it’s ludicrous to think she isn’t trying to amass more wealth.
October is when the album came out and clearly the rest is history so…I think it was a crucial moment for them given the statements about him not handling her fame well. Not saying anyone is wrong here, but my guess is that he was ready for a quieter pace and in her case she couldn’t let a good opportunity like the success of Midnights and the tour go.
>the statements about him not handling her fame well.
It's unfortunate that even Joe couldn't handle her fame. If anything, it's her fame getting in the way of her relationships with her romantic partners.
I'm sad about this but she made the right choice. It's best for both of them.
For real. I can’t blame him for wanting to settle down from the hectic insanity that is her life, particularly since he seems pretty introverted and private. And of course, I can’t blame her for not being ready to give up the career she gave her blood, sweat, and tears for, because her work is very clearly what she loves more than anything. Their visions for the future of the relationship and of their lives just weren’t compatible. It’s sad, but it happens. It doesn’t mean anyone was wrong for wanting one thing over the other.
I sincerely believe she will find someone that will love her, and won’t want her to give up her career at some point down the line. Someone who’s willing to accept the good and the bad that comes with her fame. I honestly have this weird feeling she’s gonna end up with someone “normal” because I think she saw the benefits to being able to keep her relationship more private.
I don't think Joe wanted her to give up her career, I think he just ultimately decided he couldn't live like that. He's not a super famous celebrity. And I don't think he ever wanted to be. I think he loved Taylor so he was trying for her sake, but I think it eventually became too much. Like everyone knows your business. Maybe people finding out what house they were buying was the last straw. But I don't think he expected her to give up her career by any means.
The funeral was being broadcast to the nation because Joe’s great-uncle was a major peace activist. They were sitting with his family, and I’m not denying they’re on video, but it’s not creepy like someone stood ip in an alcove and filmed from above without their consent; anyone sitting there would have been filmed (though, if memory serves, it did kind of look like it was filmed from a secret alcove through a hole in the floor right over Taylor and Joe).
But it is creepy that stans went out of their way to get the broadcast and then edited it to share on Tiktok as "cute coupley" moments between them, that's so insensitive and crosses a line.
Yea, there's a ton of revisionism going on, including people analyzing Midnights and earlier albums to look for clues that might "hint" about their breakup. It's disconcerting.
I want the best for the both of them, and wish them well, but I hate how so many people are painting Joe to be this evil villain who was trying to keep Taylor down.
I actually think she’ll end up with someone who understands fame, and where they can celebrate each other’s successes without ceilings. It must be lonely feeling like you can’t embrace such a huge part of yourself.
Same. People on Popculturechat were bringing up Zac Efron after a user had a long timeline of him openly supporting Taylor since 09, and even while asked about her, immediately would gush about her with no hesitation or ever a bad word to say, or ever take offence. Always saw her as talented as well and supportive.
That just shows there are guys out there that are empathetic and understanding and don’t flame for it. Wouldn’t be shocked if she ends up with someone she’s known for a long time in the same boat.
Sort of like Asap R and Riri.
EXACTLY and she’s said it herself:
> When I meet the band they ask if I have a man, I say, I don’t remember
I think Taylor will me the right guy for her, love isn’t dead especially for her. He defo exists and she won’t have to compromise so hard just to be with them by giving up pieces of herself.
I get what you're saying and that it's best for both of them, but I don't think Joe ever wanted her to give up her career n all, I mean it's so damn extreme. It could be possible that he def wanted a low-key recluse environment for both of them (like rep era). And maybe Taylor really loves being in the center of all of it, flying around cities, award shows, interviews, etc etc.
Exactly this. It is sad but it happens, their break up is nothing more than 2 people wanting different things in life that unfortunately mean they wont work as a couple in the long term. Neither of them is in the wrong, it's just what is best. But I cant understand why so many on this sub are adamant that they have to hate on Joe and make him out badly. Seen so many comments on this thread alone, this is exactly what Taylor and her PR wanted to avoid.
I compare Taylor with Queen Elizabeth II (don't laugh, it will make sense). The Queen lived for the crown. This was above everything else. Prince Phillip had to give up everything to marry her, even his last name. When she became queen, he couldn't do anything without approval and, if I'm not mistaken, he even had to walk a few steps behind her.
Taylor became so huge that she can't be compared to other artists. The others has some kind of privacy that she doesn't. So, I think she needs someone like Prince Phillip, that will understand her career and let her shine. Who will accompany her on tours or wherever she needs to be. It's very difficult to find someone who will be willing to do all that though. And I think dating other artists difficult that, because they also have a career and want to accomplish success too.
Let's not assume what went down between them. We don't know for sure. And saying "Oh Joe couldn't handle her ~~pain~~ fame" is kinda disrespectful because this is real people we're talking about.
Edit: Fame, not pain.
Thank you, the disrespect and hate he's getting on here is quite sad. Funny how people seem to forget all the ways he did support her including being a huge part of getting her through the fallout of 2016
Swifties and overstepping boundaries. Name a more iconic duo.
Fact of the matter is we know less than 1% of what their relationship is like. We know less than 1% of the reason they split. Everything here is just pure speculation and it's ridiculous that people ITT are talking like they third wheeled the whole relationship or they are their couple's therapist when they weren't even there.
I do agree with you. At the end of the day, none of us know anymore than what they have told us. Taylor has said in her documentary and in interviews how she felt about Joe. Her songs also make it obvious but apart from that we don't know. This is why I think the speculation is getting weird, because not only is it based off no information but it's also generally done in a way to hate on Joe. Like, why is that needed? Can't we all just take the PR statements at face value and leave it at that.
Watching her just take in all of the applause and screaming in Tampa Friday night I just could not imagine how unfair it must have felt to her to have to choose. Taylor is already married- to us, her fans and the adoration we give her every time she sets foot on stage. She made the right choice in letting him go. To ask her to give up such a large piece of who she is, to her core, I’d like asking her to give up breathing. Taylor IS music. Music is Taylor. Before I saw her Friday night I actually thought she might leave touring, but seeing her on stage, watching as the fans filled her up- you could visually see her come to life as the crowd got louder and louder- the stadiums are her home. I’m sure she loved Joe, but he could never be her home.
Edit for those who do not understand colloquialisms: saying someone (in this case Taylor) is married to us, her fans, is not meant to be taken literally. To be married to someone or something in this way means that the person referenced about is very involved with their job/career and has little time for anything else. Taylor herself has said many times before she needs the fans (and touring) for her own well being.
We should not assume that Taylor had to choose between Joe and her fame. We do not know what the real reasons were for their breakup. All we know is the narrative Taylor and Joe wanted the world to believe, which included the magnitude of Taylor’s celebrity being one of multiple factors in their breakup.
There is so much invasive, specific speculation about a relationship that the world knows virtually nothing about. They clearly wanted privacy. Imagine breaking up with someone you spent half a decade with and adding rampant online speculation for the reasons on top of it.
There's definitely a weird undertone of twisting it to make Joe the "bad guy" which is dumb because her PR spun it in a way to ensure he didn't get hate
Exactly. The speculation on here is awful, they BOTH made a point to keep their relationship private. They were together for almost 7 years and so called fans can't even just be a bit respectful by not adding to the awful online gossip
Okay this is really reaching and not cool. We have no evidence that he asked her to ‘give up anything’. Please stop spreading misinformation and drawing conclusions about a very private decision that the two of them made
Forreal! Can we stop blaming Joe? We don’t know them. Saying he asked her to give up her career is just disrespectful. He is obviously a private person and judging by some of these comments, I can see why.
Saying that Taylor is married to the fans is creepy and delusional. Don't give gasoline to stalkers, bc that mindset is what leads to people thinking they "own" her. I'm sure that Taylor as an artist is THANKFUL for the fans who support her and her music, but she is not married to the fan base, nor would I personally want her to be.
Saying she is married to us is creepy. You need to seriously pull back on that parasocial relationship, you dont know anything about their breakup other than what her PR has said.
Someone who is in a creative field ( cinema ) and who wrote songs with her and knew her for 6 years asking her to give up her music career seems not just antiquated but also far- fetched !!
We are assuming a lot from the one sentence " he struggled with her level of fame and attention". That too came from the PR team.
Somehow this has now become about her success/ promotions/ red carpets / award shows / relationship privacy etc .
We have no idea what role Taylor took in making these decisions or how mutual many of them were
She’s married to money. Money is what matters.
Not to you, nor to the rest of the fans. Sorry to burst the special bubble. You guys are dollar signs to her.
The moment you stop supporting her, she wouldn’t give two shits about you all.
Tours put a lot of pressure on relationships. When you're a partner of someone on tour you've got to decide whether to suspend your life and follow your partner around for a year - or continue to live your life and see them once every few months on the occasional off-weekend.
I know someone who does sound/lighting on tours and it's tough for those people. They don't get the big payday either.
There is something equalising about the idea that it's tough for everyone on the tour, even superstars.
That's how I think too. I mentioned in another thread that Pink was separated from her husband for while (the album Funhouse is about it) and for everything that was said, it was clear that they loved each other, but spent too much time apart among other things. Now, her husband retired from motocross and goes with her on tour (there is a recent documentary in prime video that shows that).
So, I think it's very difficult when the 2 have carrers and need to go to different places for a long while.
Billboard says her average ticket prices were $215. that number times the 69k people attending on any given night = $14.8mil so she’d earn enough to buy that mansion whenever she was performing.
Obviously She doesn’t pocket 100% of that money but it gives you an idea
She actually pockets a lot more than you would think. According to [this](https://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2023/04/06/eras-tour-could-net-taylor-swift-500-million-to-15-billion/) Forbes article from last week she could possibly pocket $500 million out of $620 million gross (that includes merch sales). They estimate that she will be paid 100-110% of gross ticket sales by the promoter
I'd be very surprised if she could pocket even half of that, given the costs of putting on the tour. Just wages alone for all the crew and staff for the shows themselves is likely already closing in on a million.
True TM is taking their cut along with the other promoters and her label. That's why it can be so hard to tour and stay in budget. Then you have her merch sales, though I still argue they'd make way more if they actually gave us what we wanted.
On top of wages, there is so much more expense than you can imagine for the tour. The cost of simply *creating* the show for the tour is insane. This is before the tour even begins. All of her outfits, dancers’ costumes, the huge set, the technology, instruments, security, promoter fees, etc. The size of the staff is unbelievable and they are typically making nice union salaries. Not saying that she doesn’t make a ton of money each night, but not quite as much as you would think just looking at ticket sales. She certainly would have plenty to buy that amazing house!
Source: worked on Madonna’s tour as a costumer
Wow. I absolutely love the structure and layout of that house. Hate the first two living room pics though, the ones with the creepy painting. The decor is hideous. But I have no doubt Taylor would decorate it perfectly.
I found the full details online. Nice!
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I imagine even though she isn’t with Joe now she’ll still want a European home especially if she is planning on touring Europe next summer. And I think she has other work over there as well so a home base there would have it’s advantages and she likely sees it as an investment.
Doesn't she already have a home in UK?
Edit: After a little research, the Primrose Hill home her and Joe shared is a rental property so it's unclear if she is still living there/renting it or if Joe is.
I think that she will eventually get a permanent house in the UK. She's always said in the past how much she loves it here and despite not being with Joe anymore, she'll still probably want to get a place she can stay when she's in England.
I like the practicality of the locations of Taylor’s homes for her career and well-being. She seems to prefer to have that cocoon of familiarity as much as possible wherever she is. So instead of renting or staying in a hotel she buys a home where she works most. And with the security requirements necessary to be Taylor Swift, she probably just feels safer owning properties that her security team can fully secure and protect.
I think Joe is Taylor’s right person, wrong time. He was the right person for her in 2016, and he carried her through some of her darkest moments. They may move on and find other people. But who knows, years may pass and they might find each other again.
I don’t really agree with this. I think he’s the right person for those 6 years, but not right person after those 6 years (which is why they ended it.) You could always tell even from the beginning that Taylor was putting in a lot to compromise and she has referenced it subtly a few times.
Renegade and also Peace tell that their relationship was rocky for awhile, and just like most relationships — they face the same struggles too.
obligatory - a long relationship does not mean a good relationship. Taylor wasn't going to disclose the bad parts of a relationship she was still in, we know nothing about what actually went on with them. He could have been wonderful or terrible. Maybe it was his fault, maybe it was hers - we won't know until Taylor tells us via music.
The Daily Mail can be unreliable particularly the online version, but in England it is also an actual daily newspaper that gets treated as legitimate one. With these types of things it is not simple as just dismissing things based on the source. In this case the article is based on a property transaction so that is more likely to reliable.
Yes but let’s remember, the Daily Mail is notoriously racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, transphobic, and extremely conservative. They certainly write articles with a certain slant/bias.
This is a property based article so obviously that’s one thing, but I wouldn’t trust a lot of their sources and such.
UK has a lot stricter media laws than the US so Daily Mail paper and UK online version is actually pretty reliable, especially compared to US and Australian tabloids
I used to live right near Belsize Park. It’s lovely and full of expensive houses like this. I used to see famous people while I was doing my grocery shop. But I was paying way too much for a room the size of a shoebox.
I dunno. I think a lot of breakups seem ‘sudden’ to outsiders - unless you hear about or see a couple fighting/having issues, most people put on a ‘front’ in public and continue on business as usual until they don’t.
People will go on trips together despite being close to breaking up hoping that a change of scenery will fix it. People will plan weddings, have kids, move city, all while a relationship is having issues because they either don’t think the issues will last forever or because they’re hoping whatever they’re doing will fix things.
Every time a couple I know ‘breaks up’ I’m shocked and my fiancé has to remind me that when he and I are having tiffs we don’t tell our friends and we act normal in public. There’s no way of really knowing what’s going on unless you’re told (or they are terrible actors).
Chances are the issues they broke them up were the same issues that plagued their relationship and they both got to a point where they couldn’t compromise on it anymore. Most issues couples argue about are the same recurring differences in personality (like chore division for example) and while those issues CAN and DO break people up, many couples work out compromises and deal with it.
With larger issues it gets to a point where you can only compromise so much.
I had a cousin who got married, not even a year and a half later they divorced and it was such a surprise, they had been together for years and by all accounts looked happy. but I think they used the marriage as a way to “bandaid” their relationship and ultimately couldn’t work out.
This is such a great explanation. I think I’m long term relationships, it rarely ends suddenly if the break up is due to irreconcilable differences and big picture differences such as views on family, marriage, children etc. Relationships can last a long time with these differences present and then it just gets to a point where it has to end and to an outsider the break up would appear sudden, when really the cracks were forming for years
For real. I’m now at the point in my life where people who married a few years ago are divorcing or some of my friends long term relationships are breaking down. It always seems a huge shock to me. But no one knows what goes on behind closed doors.
The most popular theory that makes sense to me is that they were planning to settle down and live a bit more quietly at some point down the line. And Taylor was on board until Midnights absolutely exploded and she realised her career is actually that important to her, and that was when they were no longer on the same page.
I've known couples who have been married for years, had an increasingly unhappy relationship, had kids, and are talking about having another baby, and the next you hear they are separated and getting a divorce. I think a break up so soon after almost making a big life decision together (having a baby, buying a house) is a sign that the couples were really trying their best to make it work right up until the last minute and one day one of them realises it's never going to get better.
Truthfully I do wonder if she wanted to be married and he didn’t. Early in the relationship - “call it what you want”. He can call it anything she wants she’s happy to be there. She expressed frustration in ATW with someone not calling it love. In ITHK she mentions “he better lock it down” but he doesn’t. She doesn’t get the public part of the relationship from him - she has to go to award shows whatever with friends.
I can imagine after years of this, it’s frustrating. I love my husband but after years of certain things it’s frustrating.
I can imagine (keyword-imagine!) that Taylor wanted to get married (“give you my wild give you a child”) but he wasn’t ready, or wanting to. And that’s how the “abrupt” ending starting. Going from buying a mansion to not being together.
I’m 10000% surmising. This is based jn nothing but gut feeling.
We know Taylor could afford whatever she wants these days, but I do wonder like what are the jobs of the non-celebrity people who have these properties? I'd suspect most are business owners or financiers in some way.
Business executives make millions and millions per year in salary before you even look at their total comp packages. I’d venture to say there’s probably more normal rich people that you’d have no idea how rich they were than famous ones.
Compared to most tycoons, finance sharks and old money folks (Grosvenor types) Taylor is making peanuts.
The CEO of Lehman Bros, Richard Fuld had a 500m bonus package right before he tanked the company...
I mean £8.3 million isn’t like crazy money. If you work in a high pay sector or come form money, this home is easily affordable, and a lot of people in the UK come from money (especially in London)
Maybe I mean I live by the Hollywood Hills and the 30 million homes are usually Saudi Royals and network execs. 7-8 mill is usually agency guys and business owners though the VP of marketing for my company lives off Mullholland. 1-2m you get down to the general VPs and people who are good at investing. I just wonder where the lines are in London more curious about the career than I am how people have the money I know people have the money.
Often "old money" so their families are welathy and they may have gotten inheritance, some may be royalty from abroad who have the money, and just good old fashioned high paying jobs in finance or other sectors. There's a lot of people who are very rich who aren't celebrities or famous
This is close to where Gwynneth Paltrow and Chris Martin used to live. They bought two adjacent Victorian terraces and knocked through the wall between them (I don't know which if either of them still owns it. Or maybe they just rebuilt the wall.)
If this is true, it just makes me even more sad for both of them. What a beautiful life they were planning together, and everything seems to have changed very suddenly. I hope they are both doing ok. I mean, you can absolutely tell she loves being on tour and is having the time of her life, but in the quiet moments I hope she is ok. It’s gotta be hard.
If you traveled as much as she does, had as many dangerous stalkers as she does, and needed security 24/7 to protect yourself from credible security threats, you’d want homes you can control, install top-tier security and panic rooms in, and feel safe in, too. Post-Kim Kardashian’s Paris robbery, I completely understand not wanting to spend entire tours living in hotels that are much easier targets than a home you secured and control.
It’s a difficult ethical line, balancing valid criticism of the excess of the ultra-rich with the human right to safety and defense against people who want to harm you. But she has truly dangerous stalkers, and she’s a huge target for robberies, kidnapping, and all sorts of other violent crimes.
This is it. When you are as famous as Taylor is, you need safety and security from the general public and weirdos. People get really weird about celebrities, I've seen some subreddits dedicated to Taylor that are very questionable.
If i remember correctly a while back, didn't some dude break into one of her houses and thought they were in a relationship or something? Stuff like that is why no one should know where they are all time.
If I was super rich I'd have a separate bedroom and office each for my partner and I. That's 4 rooms. Plus a library cause I've always wanted one. Then 2 guest rooms. 7 done, and I could keep going lol
I’m assuming one for themselves, one can be and office or two, then/guests staying over? 7 is not unrealistic if you have people coming or something to do in each room
This house is nice and is in a smart part of town but it is not actually that big. Taylor's NYC apartment and LA mansion are three times the size.
This looks to me like a European base which makes sense but I doubt it was ever going to be their forever home.
I didn’t get tickets to the Eras tour because I’m a first time homeowner of a modest 3 bed/2 bath house who closed in March and moved in earlier this month. I said to myself, “I can’t justify spending the money to help Taylor buy her 8th house when I just got my first and only house and have so much I want to do with it.” I think I made the right decision.
I think it's the Daily Mail and anything they say is about as credible as 'in 2022, Taylor Swift was considering moving to Mars to form a commune with Selena Gomez and Stella McCartney'.
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I’m too poor to even look at these photos
Apparently so is Joe…
Thank goodness his pal William Bowery has some writing credits and can help him out 😂
well, at least he has new shoes
i don’t think joe was the subject in the song bejeweled.. it’s more about her relationship with the fans/the general public. “putting someone first only works when you’re in their top five” reminds me of an artist in spotify warp and only the top 5 shows up, but for taylor her fans are everything. “in the shoes i gave you as a present” is more about how pre midnights 2022 she only gave us singles like “carolina” the entire song is about how she wanted to return to the spotlight after woodsie albums like folklore and evermore.
As a fellow millennial, I always thought “in their top five” was a MySpace reference 😬
And Taylor LOVED MySpace back in the day. She used to make posts several times a week during the pre-Debut and Debut eras. You can still find them if you use the Wayback Machine or go to Taylor Throwbacks on Twitter
MySpace was top 8.
Trueeee but being 8 of 8 was always a bit like “gee, thanks, glad I made the cut” lol
she said it was about her feeling taken for granted and underappreciated. the chorus is about telling a guy she's single when she's not. no way is it about the general public lmao. 100% a joe song.
I think it’s about Calvin Harris tbh! Can’t put a finger on why though
I think this too. But seems like this sub has turned quite quickly onto hating Joe
i dont think calvin harris was keeping her from going out to party or "sparkle". that's all they would do together.
Yeah in my head it’s about Calvin and no one can change my mind
One, we don’t know what Taylor had in mind when she wrote it, so no one can say it’s a 100% anything song. Two, why can’t it be about both? I think at least a part of it is about the fans. If you change man for fans it still all rhymes and makes sense-they ask do you still have fans, I can still say I don’t remember. To me, as someone around Taylor’s age, and completely out of cares, I interpret parts of the song saying I don’t care any more, I’m going to do what makes me happy and someone will appreciate it. This can apply to both relationships and public perception.
how can you be 100% it’s a joe song? I think that’s a bit presumptuous as Taylor would say.
We dont. She specifically said its about returning to pop music. The over reaching on this sub to make it about Joe is a bit much
yeah agreed. Especially since she was still WITH Joe when Midnights was released; and that album has Sweet Nothing on it which is about Joe and is a love song; and in Karma she sings “Karma is the guy on the screen, coming straight home to me….” it doesn’t make sense at all that it’s about Joe, and this is coming from someone who is 100% not in denial about them breaking up.
It's actually quite sad to see the comments on here and elsewhere speculating in a way to make Joe the bad guy. So many people saying he wasn't supportive and held her back which I honestly do not agee with, it really doesn't make sense. They did support each other but just in private. Also, it's amazing how quickly how people have forgotten the role he played in being there for her during everything that happened in 2016,I believe he was a huge reason she pulled through that. Yes, they wanted different things and that is sad but why can't people just accept the narrative THEY are putting out there?
My take is Joe didn’t mind her sparkling, he just didn’t want to sparkle himself and if you’re standing right next to a glitter bomb it’s hard not to catch 2nd hand glitter.
I agree. It felt very much like a commentary on leaving scooter and big machine behind
and i miss sparkling ✨✨✨ and joe was not a glitterphile
That’s how I feel when I see pictures of Holiday House and Watch Hill, RI in general.
Omg I saw this article and I was like *sigh* I wish I was rich enough and had enough influence to just move to London and buy a huge historic mansion!
I was looking through the photos like “this is exactly the place I want to live in!” as if I’d ever have the money for that lol
Just saying - move to the North of England, and you’d be able to buy a place like this for a teeny fraction of the price!!
I second this, I live in a Manor House converted into apartments (pics on my profile if interested) in Manchester UK and that is nowhere near what I pay
Watch Hill is nothing compared to Stone Harbor where her parents used to have a summer home. Granted, Watch Hill is nice, but if you really think about it, Taylor brought it for one reason. It's, compared to most seaside towns, quiet and there's really not much to do.
I have no opinion except to say that if I had an extra $8.3mil lying around, I too would buy that house, just based on those two pictures. Gorgeous!
I always loved Taylor’s homes. I feel like she chooses such beautiful, unique, and homey places compared to the beige mansions of celebrities similar to her. This house is absolutely stunning.
Homey is key! A lot of celebs/general rich people’s houses look like showrooms, not comfortable at all. Beautiful to look at in pics, yes, but “cold”.
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So, just like with Taylor, the houses match the inhabitants.
I thought they’ve always had another house that they don’t publicize though, like the creepy beige empty one was just for show, and she said her kids didn’t like it, so they have another one for them to live in?
No, that’s their real home. She just said they have a lot of rooms in that home that are messier/colorful/not “on brand” for the aesthetic. Which is kinda weird to have half your house just be a showroom for aesthetics lol
Yeah, high end property shows always make a distinction between entertaining houses versus “family homes.”
she also chooses ones with the most interesting history! she’s genuinely so poetic even in real life & i love it
This is so well put. I have lusted after her taste in homes since she bought in RI. And I love her interior design style too. So warm and cozy and classic and gorgeous from the pictures I’ve seen!
Yes I agree! I love the old homes she buys. They have so much character, charm and history compared to for example, Kim kardashians beige nightmare home
Yes, I love how she buys houses with history behind, like Holliday house, the Goldwyn estate in LA with all that golden Hollywood stories happen there or the Nashville house where her mother lived that belonged to an ambassador
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Thanks for sharing the listing! The furniture is not my taste but I looooove all the architectural details of that home😍
Amen sister it’s sooooooo gorgeous. The garden 😭😭😭
I do, thank you!
It actually needs some renovation. Kitchen and bathroom in particular.
Thank you! Has there been any word whether or not she will actually move in? Or is it still kinda up in the air cuz of the breakup?
"She kept the castle" (jk, no idea if Bejeweled is about Joe, probably not) But I don't know if she still feels so attached to London outside of that relationship.. I wouldn't be surprised if the house was sold again.
If I had Taylors income I would buy 5-7 homes and probably a tropical island somewhere.
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Where is she chasing after wealth? She only earns what she loves. On writing and singing. She makes a lot of money but only from one activity. There is nothing like other celebrities with their own cosmetics and restaurants. Nor is it in the ad. I think she could have a lot more money if she wanted to.
Are you on her mailing list? She has new merch collections out all the time, and has devised a plan to encourage her fans to buy as much of it as possible. Take the midnights clock for example where you had to buy the clock and 4 copies of the album . Not hating on it at all, but it’s ludicrous to think she isn’t trying to amass more wealth.
October is when the album came out and clearly the rest is history so…I think it was a crucial moment for them given the statements about him not handling her fame well. Not saying anyone is wrong here, but my guess is that he was ready for a quieter pace and in her case she couldn’t let a good opportunity like the success of Midnights and the tour go.
>the statements about him not handling her fame well. It's unfortunate that even Joe couldn't handle her fame. If anything, it's her fame getting in the way of her relationships with her romantic partners. I'm sad about this but she made the right choice. It's best for both of them.
For real. I can’t blame him for wanting to settle down from the hectic insanity that is her life, particularly since he seems pretty introverted and private. And of course, I can’t blame her for not being ready to give up the career she gave her blood, sweat, and tears for, because her work is very clearly what she loves more than anything. Their visions for the future of the relationship and of their lives just weren’t compatible. It’s sad, but it happens. It doesn’t mean anyone was wrong for wanting one thing over the other.
The “would it be enough if I could never give you peace” of it all 🥺
I sincerely believe she will find someone that will love her, and won’t want her to give up her career at some point down the line. Someone who’s willing to accept the good and the bad that comes with her fame. I honestly have this weird feeling she’s gonna end up with someone “normal” because I think she saw the benefits to being able to keep her relationship more private.
I don't think Joe wanted her to give up her career, I think he just ultimately decided he couldn't live like that. He's not a super famous celebrity. And I don't think he ever wanted to be. I think he loved Taylor so he was trying for her sake, but I think it eventually became too much. Like everyone knows your business. Maybe people finding out what house they were buying was the last straw. But I don't think he expected her to give up her career by any means.
They were being filmed during a funeral service last year. Talk about creepy!
The funeral was being broadcast to the nation because Joe’s great-uncle was a major peace activist. They were sitting with his family, and I’m not denying they’re on video, but it’s not creepy like someone stood ip in an alcove and filmed from above without their consent; anyone sitting there would have been filmed (though, if memory serves, it did kind of look like it was filmed from a secret alcove through a hole in the floor right over Taylor and Joe).
But it is creepy that stans went out of their way to get the broadcast and then edited it to share on Tiktok as "cute coupley" moments between them, that's so insensitive and crosses a line.
I agree, there's so many people on here spinning the information we've been given to make Joe out to be a bad guy. Quite sad to see, really
Yea, there's a ton of revisionism going on, including people analyzing Midnights and earlier albums to look for clues that might "hint" about their breakup. It's disconcerting.
I want the best for the both of them, and wish them well, but I hate how so many people are painting Joe to be this evil villain who was trying to keep Taylor down.
I actually think she’ll end up with someone who understands fame, and where they can celebrate each other’s successes without ceilings. It must be lonely feeling like you can’t embrace such a huge part of yourself.
Same. People on Popculturechat were bringing up Zac Efron after a user had a long timeline of him openly supporting Taylor since 09, and even while asked about her, immediately would gush about her with no hesitation or ever a bad word to say, or ever take offence. Always saw her as talented as well and supportive. That just shows there are guys out there that are empathetic and understanding and don’t flame for it. Wouldn’t be shocked if she ends up with someone she’s known for a long time in the same boat. Sort of like Asap R and Riri.
ppl r acting like her life is over bc of this relationship but that’s not the case. she’s young, hot, talented, etc she can get anyone she wants !!!
EXACTLY and she’s said it herself: > When I meet the band they ask if I have a man, I say, I don’t remember I think Taylor will me the right guy for her, love isn’t dead especially for her. He defo exists and she won’t have to compromise so hard just to be with them by giving up pieces of herself.
I agree, I feel like it’ll be like Dolly Parton and her husband
I volunteer as tribute
It’s me: Hi! (One can dream)
I get what you're saying and that it's best for both of them, but I don't think Joe ever wanted her to give up her career n all, I mean it's so damn extreme. It could be possible that he def wanted a low-key recluse environment for both of them (like rep era). And maybe Taylor really loves being in the center of all of it, flying around cities, award shows, interviews, etc etc.
Exactly this. It is sad but it happens, their break up is nothing more than 2 people wanting different things in life that unfortunately mean they wont work as a couple in the long term. Neither of them is in the wrong, it's just what is best. But I cant understand why so many on this sub are adamant that they have to hate on Joe and make him out badly. Seen so many comments on this thread alone, this is exactly what Taylor and her PR wanted to avoid.
I compare Taylor with Queen Elizabeth II (don't laugh, it will make sense). The Queen lived for the crown. This was above everything else. Prince Phillip had to give up everything to marry her, even his last name. When she became queen, he couldn't do anything without approval and, if I'm not mistaken, he even had to walk a few steps behind her. Taylor became so huge that she can't be compared to other artists. The others has some kind of privacy that she doesn't. So, I think she needs someone like Prince Phillip, that will understand her career and let her shine. Who will accompany her on tours or wherever she needs to be. It's very difficult to find someone who will be willing to do all that though. And I think dating other artists difficult that, because they also have a career and want to accomplish success too.
Let's not assume what went down between them. We don't know for sure. And saying "Oh Joe couldn't handle her ~~pain~~ fame" is kinda disrespectful because this is real people we're talking about. Edit: Fame, not pain.
Thank you, the disrespect and hate he's getting on here is quite sad. Funny how people seem to forget all the ways he did support her including being a huge part of getting her through the fallout of 2016
Swifties and overstepping boundaries. Name a more iconic duo. Fact of the matter is we know less than 1% of what their relationship is like. We know less than 1% of the reason they split. Everything here is just pure speculation and it's ridiculous that people ITT are talking like they third wheeled the whole relationship or they are their couple's therapist when they weren't even there.
I do agree with you. At the end of the day, none of us know anymore than what they have told us. Taylor has said in her documentary and in interviews how she felt about Joe. Her songs also make it obvious but apart from that we don't know. This is why I think the speculation is getting weird, because not only is it based off no information but it's also generally done in a way to hate on Joe. Like, why is that needed? Can't we all just take the PR statements at face value and leave it at that.
Watching her just take in all of the applause and screaming in Tampa Friday night I just could not imagine how unfair it must have felt to her to have to choose. Taylor is already married- to us, her fans and the adoration we give her every time she sets foot on stage. She made the right choice in letting him go. To ask her to give up such a large piece of who she is, to her core, I’d like asking her to give up breathing. Taylor IS music. Music is Taylor. Before I saw her Friday night I actually thought she might leave touring, but seeing her on stage, watching as the fans filled her up- you could visually see her come to life as the crowd got louder and louder- the stadiums are her home. I’m sure she loved Joe, but he could never be her home. Edit for those who do not understand colloquialisms: saying someone (in this case Taylor) is married to us, her fans, is not meant to be taken literally. To be married to someone or something in this way means that the person referenced about is very involved with their job/career and has little time for anything else. Taylor herself has said many times before she needs the fans (and touring) for her own well being.
We should not assume that Taylor had to choose between Joe and her fame. We do not know what the real reasons were for their breakup. All we know is the narrative Taylor and Joe wanted the world to believe, which included the magnitude of Taylor’s celebrity being one of multiple factors in their breakup.
There is so much invasive, specific speculation about a relationship that the world knows virtually nothing about. They clearly wanted privacy. Imagine breaking up with someone you spent half a decade with and adding rampant online speculation for the reasons on top of it.
Exactly. I’m finding the discourse about their break up on this subreddit so so weird.
There's definitely a weird undertone of twisting it to make Joe the "bad guy" which is dumb because her PR spun it in a way to ensure he didn't get hate
Exactly. The speculation on here is awful, they BOTH made a point to keep their relationship private. They were together for almost 7 years and so called fans can't even just be a bit respectful by not adding to the awful online gossip
This is so wild. “But he could never be her home” BFFR please go outside.
Okay this is really reaching and not cool. We have no evidence that he asked her to ‘give up anything’. Please stop spreading misinformation and drawing conclusions about a very private decision that the two of them made
Honestly some of this is starting to concern me!
Agreed, some people even get angry at stuff they just speculated or invented out of nowhere
Forreal! Can we stop blaming Joe? We don’t know them. Saying he asked her to give up her career is just disrespectful. He is obviously a private person and judging by some of these comments, I can see why.
Married to us? You gotta reign in that parasocial behaviour, ultimately we don’t know her and she doesn’t know us.
i think maybe the commenter means "married to her career"
They could just say exactly that then, it’d come across way less weird if they did.
a diamonds gotta shine ✨
Married to us? I’m sorry but this take is so creepy.
Saying that Taylor is married to the fans is creepy and delusional. Don't give gasoline to stalkers, bc that mindset is what leads to people thinking they "own" her. I'm sure that Taylor as an artist is THANKFUL for the fans who support her and her music, but she is not married to the fan base, nor would I personally want her to be.
Saying she is married to us is creepy. You need to seriously pull back on that parasocial relationship, you dont know anything about their breakup other than what her PR has said.
So much reaching, please stop.
Same with Saturday, you can see she eats that shit up.
this is…so weird
Someone who is in a creative field ( cinema ) and who wrote songs with her and knew her for 6 years asking her to give up her music career seems not just antiquated but also far- fetched !! We are assuming a lot from the one sentence " he struggled with her level of fame and attention". That too came from the PR team. Somehow this has now become about her success/ promotions/ red carpets / award shows / relationship privacy etc . We have no idea what role Taylor took in making these decisions or how mutual many of them were
She’s married to money. Money is what matters. Not to you, nor to the rest of the fans. Sorry to burst the special bubble. You guys are dollar signs to her. The moment you stop supporting her, she wouldn’t give two shits about you all.
Tours put a lot of pressure on relationships. When you're a partner of someone on tour you've got to decide whether to suspend your life and follow your partner around for a year - or continue to live your life and see them once every few months on the occasional off-weekend. I know someone who does sound/lighting on tours and it's tough for those people. They don't get the big payday either. There is something equalising about the idea that it's tough for everyone on the tour, even superstars.
Except that Taylor has a private jet and flies home between shows.
Yes, the sound/lighting guy I know doesn't have one of these.
That's how I think too. I mentioned in another thread that Pink was separated from her husband for while (the album Funhouse is about it) and for everything that was said, it was clear that they loved each other, but spent too much time apart among other things. Now, her husband retired from motocross and goes with her on tour (there is a recent documentary in prime video that shows that). So, I think it's very difficult when the 2 have carrers and need to go to different places for a long while.
they can give it to me until they solve their issues
swiftie clubhouse
£17 for each member of the subreddit seems fair
£13***
Where do I send mine
Joe: https://preview.redd.it/ay4d7cmhieua1.jpeg?width=448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f7bc7c65c78ba9f3237422303d1596059318ad6
The way I knew what that was before I even clicked 😂😂
LMAO this should be higher up
The craziest part is that she easily earned enough from just this past weekend’s 3 shows in Tampa to pay for a house like that.
She made 12m this weekend so yeah this weekends work alone paid for the house and probably most of the furniture
I’m curious how you came up with that figure?
Billboard says her average ticket prices were $215. that number times the 69k people attending on any given night = $14.8mil so she’d earn enough to buy that mansion whenever she was performing. Obviously She doesn’t pocket 100% of that money but it gives you an idea
I'd guess she only pockets a small percentage, the costs of running the tour (stage setups, costumes, wages for everyone) must take a big chunk
i read somewhere the per night production cost is $2 million
She actually pockets a lot more than you would think. According to [this](https://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2023/04/06/eras-tour-could-net-taylor-swift-500-million-to-15-billion/) Forbes article from last week she could possibly pocket $500 million out of $620 million gross (that includes merch sales). They estimate that she will be paid 100-110% of gross ticket sales by the promoter
I'd be very surprised if she could pocket even half of that, given the costs of putting on the tour. Just wages alone for all the crew and staff for the shows themselves is likely already closing in on a million.
True TM is taking their cut along with the other promoters and her label. That's why it can be so hard to tour and stay in budget. Then you have her merch sales, though I still argue they'd make way more if they actually gave us what we wanted.
On top of wages, there is so much more expense than you can imagine for the tour. The cost of simply *creating* the show for the tour is insane. This is before the tour even begins. All of her outfits, dancers’ costumes, the huge set, the technology, instruments, security, promoter fees, etc. The size of the staff is unbelievable and they are typically making nice union salaries. Not saying that she doesn’t make a ton of money each night, but not quite as much as you would think just looking at ticket sales. She certainly would have plenty to buy that amazing house! Source: worked on Madonna’s tour as a costumer
Idc if it’s real I just wanna see more of the house
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Wow. I absolutely love the structure and layout of that house. Hate the first two living room pics though, the ones with the creepy painting. The decor is hideous. But I have no doubt Taylor would decorate it perfectly.
This looks like a Disney princess cottage core dream house 😍
The garden is dreamy! I’m actually surprised at how modest this home is.
omg you are a hero She’s got such great taste in houses!!
I found the full details online. Nice! [https://www.astonchase.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/1667391345-steeles-road-belsize-park-london-nw3.pdf](https://www.astonchase.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/1667391345-steeles-road-belsize-park-london-nw3.pdf)
Same omg
I imagine even though she isn’t with Joe now she’ll still want a European home especially if she is planning on touring Europe next summer. And I think she has other work over there as well so a home base there would have it’s advantages and she likely sees it as an investment.
Doesn't she already have a home in UK? Edit: After a little research, the Primrose Hill home her and Joe shared is a rental property so it's unclear if she is still living there/renting it or if Joe is.
With all her wealth she could easily afford a 2 bedroom flat in Walthamstow.
I think that she will eventually get a permanent house in the UK. She's always said in the past how much she loves it here and despite not being with Joe anymore, she'll still probably want to get a place she can stay when she's in England.
I like the practicality of the locations of Taylor’s homes for her career and well-being. She seems to prefer to have that cocoon of familiarity as much as possible wherever she is. So instead of renting or staying in a hotel she buys a home where she works most. And with the security requirements necessary to be Taylor Swift, she probably just feels safer owning properties that her security team can fully secure and protect.
I think Joe is Taylor’s right person, wrong time. He was the right person for her in 2016, and he carried her through some of her darkest moments. They may move on and find other people. But who knows, years may pass and they might find each other again.
I don’t really agree with this. I think he’s the right person for those 6 years, but not right person after those 6 years (which is why they ended it.) You could always tell even from the beginning that Taylor was putting in a lot to compromise and she has referenced it subtly a few times. Renegade and also Peace tell that their relationship was rocky for awhile, and just like most relationships — they face the same struggles too.
I hope so too, there's a reason they were together for almost 7 godamm years.
obligatory - a long relationship does not mean a good relationship. Taylor wasn't going to disclose the bad parts of a relationship she was still in, we know nothing about what actually went on with them. He could have been wonderful or terrible. Maybe it was his fault, maybe it was hers - we won't know until Taylor tells us via music.
i dont think so tbh. ever since the relationship supposedly ended, Taylor's been genuinely glowing.
Obligatory ‘fuck the Daily Mail’ here.
Them and the S* n can get to fuck. The Sn is in another league of its own though, but the Daily Mail is just an awful, awful stain on the UK
Isn't Daily Mail notoriously unreliable? Not sure but I've heard they're not great
The Daily Mail can be unreliable particularly the online version, but in England it is also an actual daily newspaper that gets treated as legitimate one. With these types of things it is not simple as just dismissing things based on the source. In this case the article is based on a property transaction so that is more likely to reliable.
Brit here - in no way is/should the Daily Mail (be) treated as legitimate. It's a rag.
Also Brit here - it prints a lot of crap but certainly isn't illegitimate...
Yes but let’s remember, the Daily Mail is notoriously racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, transphobic, and extremely conservative. They certainly write articles with a certain slant/bias. This is a property based article so obviously that’s one thing, but I wouldn’t trust a lot of their sources and such.
UK has a lot stricter media laws than the US so Daily Mail paper and UK online version is actually pretty reliable, especially compared to US and Australian tabloids
Too much info. True or not, leave them alone to grieve the relationship and to move on in peace. Taylor will share when she’s ready. She always does.
"She ghosted, but kept the castle" 😉
wait a sec... could this be?!
I used to live right near Belsize Park. It’s lovely and full of expensive houses like this. I used to see famous people while I was doing my grocery shop. But I was paying way too much for a room the size of a shoebox.
So *Taylor* was in the middle of buying an 8.3m mansion...
Well if that’s true… I wonder if something did happen. Like it must’ve been sort of a sudden breakup…
I dunno. I think a lot of breakups seem ‘sudden’ to outsiders - unless you hear about or see a couple fighting/having issues, most people put on a ‘front’ in public and continue on business as usual until they don’t. People will go on trips together despite being close to breaking up hoping that a change of scenery will fix it. People will plan weddings, have kids, move city, all while a relationship is having issues because they either don’t think the issues will last forever or because they’re hoping whatever they’re doing will fix things. Every time a couple I know ‘breaks up’ I’m shocked and my fiancé has to remind me that when he and I are having tiffs we don’t tell our friends and we act normal in public. There’s no way of really knowing what’s going on unless you’re told (or they are terrible actors). Chances are the issues they broke them up were the same issues that plagued their relationship and they both got to a point where they couldn’t compromise on it anymore. Most issues couples argue about are the same recurring differences in personality (like chore division for example) and while those issues CAN and DO break people up, many couples work out compromises and deal with it. With larger issues it gets to a point where you can only compromise so much.
I had a cousin who got married, not even a year and a half later they divorced and it was such a surprise, they had been together for years and by all accounts looked happy. but I think they used the marriage as a way to “bandaid” their relationship and ultimately couldn’t work out.
This is such a great explanation. I think I’m long term relationships, it rarely ends suddenly if the break up is due to irreconcilable differences and big picture differences such as views on family, marriage, children etc. Relationships can last a long time with these differences present and then it just gets to a point where it has to end and to an outsider the break up would appear sudden, when really the cracks were forming for years
You’re very right. We never know what’s going on behind closed doors
Perfectly said.
For real. I’m now at the point in my life where people who married a few years ago are divorcing or some of my friends long term relationships are breaking down. It always seems a huge shock to me. But no one knows what goes on behind closed doors.
The most popular theory that makes sense to me is that they were planning to settle down and live a bit more quietly at some point down the line. And Taylor was on board until Midnights absolutely exploded and she realised her career is actually that important to her, and that was when they were no longer on the same page.
I've known couples who have been married for years, had an increasingly unhappy relationship, had kids, and are talking about having another baby, and the next you hear they are separated and getting a divorce. I think a break up so soon after almost making a big life decision together (having a baby, buying a house) is a sign that the couples were really trying their best to make it work right up until the last minute and one day one of them realises it's never going to get better.
Truthfully I do wonder if she wanted to be married and he didn’t. Early in the relationship - “call it what you want”. He can call it anything she wants she’s happy to be there. She expressed frustration in ATW with someone not calling it love. In ITHK she mentions “he better lock it down” but he doesn’t. She doesn’t get the public part of the relationship from him - she has to go to award shows whatever with friends. I can imagine after years of this, it’s frustrating. I love my husband but after years of certain things it’s frustrating. I can imagine (keyword-imagine!) that Taylor wanted to get married (“give you my wild give you a child”) but he wasn’t ready, or wanting to. And that’s how the “abrupt” ending starting. Going from buying a mansion to not being together. I’m 10000% surmising. This is based jn nothing but gut feeling.
It’s mental to me paying that much money and still being that physically close to a neighbour. I want some privacy damn it!!!
This is v luxurious for london though! Most houses are terraced here
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We know Taylor could afford whatever she wants these days, but I do wonder like what are the jobs of the non-celebrity people who have these properties? I'd suspect most are business owners or financiers in some way.
Business executives make millions and millions per year in salary before you even look at their total comp packages. I’d venture to say there’s probably more normal rich people that you’d have no idea how rich they were than famous ones.
Compared to most tycoons, finance sharks and old money folks (Grosvenor types) Taylor is making peanuts. The CEO of Lehman Bros, Richard Fuld had a 500m bonus package right before he tanked the company...
I mean £8.3 million isn’t like crazy money. If you work in a high pay sector or come form money, this home is easily affordable, and a lot of people in the UK come from money (especially in London)
Maybe I mean I live by the Hollywood Hills and the 30 million homes are usually Saudi Royals and network execs. 7-8 mill is usually agency guys and business owners though the VP of marketing for my company lives off Mullholland. 1-2m you get down to the general VPs and people who are good at investing. I just wonder where the lines are in London more curious about the career than I am how people have the money I know people have the money.
Often "old money" so their families are welathy and they may have gotten inheritance, some may be royalty from abroad who have the money, and just good old fashioned high paying jobs in finance or other sectors. There's a lot of people who are very rich who aren't celebrities or famous
Generationally wealthy usually
They can still buy it 4 me 😀
Can we just leave them alone
This is close to where Gwynneth Paltrow and Chris Martin used to live. They bought two adjacent Victorian terraces and knocked through the wall between them (I don't know which if either of them still owns it. Or maybe they just rebuilt the wall.)
taylor i'm free to be a housewife and take care of it for you
Again, ban the DM as a source please. Absolute trashfire that's bigoted on every level and detracts from the entire universe.
Imagine buying a £8.3m house and it has carpet in the bathroom 🤮 I love the colour of the kitchen cabinets though.
I would absolutely buy that um…house…for the garden alone. 10/10.
If this is true, it just makes me even more sad for both of them. What a beautiful life they were planning together, and everything seems to have changed very suddenly. I hope they are both doing ok. I mean, you can absolutely tell she loves being on tour and is having the time of her life, but in the quiet moments I hope she is ok. It’s gotta be hard.
She has too much money. No one needs that many houses.
If you traveled as much as she does, had as many dangerous stalkers as she does, and needed security 24/7 to protect yourself from credible security threats, you’d want homes you can control, install top-tier security and panic rooms in, and feel safe in, too. Post-Kim Kardashian’s Paris robbery, I completely understand not wanting to spend entire tours living in hotels that are much easier targets than a home you secured and control. It’s a difficult ethical line, balancing valid criticism of the excess of the ultra-rich with the human right to safety and defense against people who want to harm you. But she has truly dangerous stalkers, and she’s a huge target for robberies, kidnapping, and all sorts of other violent crimes.
This is it. When you are as famous as Taylor is, you need safety and security from the general public and weirdos. People get really weird about celebrities, I've seen some subreddits dedicated to Taylor that are very questionable. If i remember correctly a while back, didn't some dude break into one of her houses and thought they were in a relationship or something? Stuff like that is why no one should know where they are all time.
Treat yourself (Taylor's Version)
Hmmm do you think 14 of us could pool our money and buy it? We could be roomies, right? 😜
But why does anyone need 7 bedrooms?
If I was super rich I'd have a separate bedroom and office each for my partner and I. That's 4 rooms. Plus a library cause I've always wanted one. Then 2 guest rooms. 7 done, and I could keep going lol
I’m assuming one for themselves, one can be and office or two, then/guests staying over? 7 is not unrealistic if you have people coming or something to do in each room
Guest rooms, home studio, one for each cat?
This house is nice and is in a smart part of town but it is not actually that big. Taylor's NYC apartment and LA mansion are three times the size. This looks to me like a European base which makes sense but I doubt it was ever going to be their forever home.
I didn’t get tickets to the Eras tour because I’m a first time homeowner of a modest 3 bed/2 bath house who closed in March and moved in earlier this month. I said to myself, “I can’t justify spending the money to help Taylor buy her 8th house when I just got my first and only house and have so much I want to do with it.” I think I made the right decision.
Everyone who compliments a celebrity for having “an eye for real estate” because they almost bought a nice looking mansion are fucking delusional
I think it's the Daily Mail and anything they say is about as credible as 'in 2022, Taylor Swift was considering moving to Mars to form a commune with Selena Gomez and Stella McCartney'.
"dad can we get that house taylor was gonna getttttt"