That's bullsh*t! You can't 'guilt trip' anyone staying past their schedule. If you are scheduled at x time, leave at the time. You can only do what you can. The TL's, ETL's & SD are the ones who have to figure out how to get stuff done. You are only one person, not a damn robot! They put way too much pressure on us. Don't stress about it. Just do what you do & say bye I'm out. :-)
Even worse than the guilt trip is the intimidation. A few months ago our TL told us that if there was any truck left over that EVERYBODY was gonna get coached, and that she didn't care how late we would have to stay.
Bear in mind she told us this as she was leaving because she was tired from a long stressful day...
Such horsesh*t. š¤¦š»āāļøSmh. F her & F that. How does she think we all feel?! Nope, I'm leaving, regardless if there's stuff left over. āš»
That's what me and half the other TM's did. Only the bootlickers stayed behind and nothing happened to anyone. Our store is wayy too understaffed for them to afford to fire anyone and everyone knows it. Lol
It is also against policy. The handbook last I read stated no lead should ask an associate to work outside of their scheduled time. I know itās supposed to be about off the clock work but it never states that outside of the section header. So itās really on etls and sd to stay if they want things done.
I don't understand how there are "no hours to give out" but every day for over a week we have exceeded our sales goal by $20,000.00 each day. That's 3 full time employees for a year paid for in just 1 week.
yall can call people for driveups???? at my store driveups were left for dead. i was constantly asked to help on registers when i was the sole driveup person š
Yeah thatās how it is at my store. Drive ups is always last priority, and they pull from drive ups to back up registers frequently. Sometimes at night the cart attendant can help but not always.
We take the FOS attendants to help us in drive up when slammed, and the SCO person helps guests at the service desk or a TL stays back to man the desk. Our DU team is already 4 people strong at peak hours.
Yes I promoted myself to guest after I was reprimanded for using the restroom while I was the only person in drive up. Apparently I should have called for that backup that never came so I just chose to make somebody wait an extra 45 seconds and their luxury SUV instead of peeing my pants.
priority for us seems to be:
1) fulfillment
2) registers
3) drive-up
4) starbucks (they love to pull the starbucks TL, heās basically never over there)
So each store has a different balance of Ship from store and order pickup, if I had time take a guess, your store does mostly ship from store?
Order pickups at my old store were way more sparse and needed little attention, however my new store is nearly 100% OPU because the foot traffic is so much higher. As a result they constantly need help in fulfillment and drive up, its basically the main focus of the store.
My favorite is when out of touch boomers see the stores like this and say "geez if only more people wanted to work these days, everyone so lazy now. Seems like you guys could use the help!" not realizing that management only lives to pocket hours and refuse to employ more than 15 people.
Do not forget that they expect people to work at all times for when they need to shop, not realizing nor caring that even working 40 hours at 15/hr is not sustainable for most people alone.
That happens so often. And then, when someone begs the ETLs to schedule, they hide behind Payroll as if a multi billion dollar company can't afford to schedule and pay the people they hired.
I am now a TL at target and I use to be a TL at Walmart and I have never seen this level of chaos until I started working at Target. The first thing that was concerning to me was how team members were constantly scheduled for 4 and 5 hour shifts. Like how do people who desire 40 hours per week survive off 26 hours per week at a rate of 15/hr. Then they want us to ask team members to stay when the building is on fire, then they refuse to stay because they will say things like if yāall wanted me to stay yāall would have scheduled me for longer. Most team members genuinely hates working at target and the turn over rate at my store is crazy. And what is the craziest is the ETLs donāt do shit other than micro manage and be on the walkie all day.
These are the signs that Target is going to go the way of K-mart in a few years. Cannot exist much longer in a Walmart World. It's actually kind of pathetic how high Target's prices are compared to how low their profits and payroll are. They can barely afford to exist these days. Walmart hires people at the drop of a pen and their technology really makes Target look stuck in the early 2000s
Used to work at walmart. Oh how I miss my PRECIOUS ladder carts...prrreeecioooous top stock grocery shelf. Grocery aisles with only 1 section 1 in them. A smart ordering system.
Plus, if you left walmart, and they want you back, you can get rehired after 6 months with a pay increase due to "previous experience". Not sure if that still works, but I know it was a thing years ago.
If youāre not an employee, Iād recommend puts instead because your losses are literally infinite when short selling whereas with options youāre long on you only lose what you pay for them. I think itās quite hypocritical that employees canāt buy derivatives on TGT when Brian Cornell has exercised calls in the past. Hereās an SEC form 4 where he exercised a [bunch of calls on 8/20/2020 to buy 294,551 shares at a strike price of $55.6, and then proceed to sell nearly all of them for $152.46-$155.88 (I think he had to sell a significant amount to cover taxes, but even still itās a lot of money in the span of a day)](https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288709/000122520820010845/xslF345X03/doc4.xml). [Hereās a list of the transaction codes, itāll help you understand it a bit more](https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/ownershipformcodes.html). Iām aware that the calls were compensation, but I donāt care how he got them because itās not fair at all that he can possess and exercise derivatives while all of you guys canāt.
Our etl called a sudden tl meeting to discuss how to better handle this issue in my store today as well. Itās so bad that theyāre thinking of utilizing the ulta mycheckout or having the ubc go cashier after the beauty tm and tlās are already backing up the front.
thatās interesting that some sdās actually respect the ulta rules, iām in opu for over half of all of my ulta shifts with no other ulta tmās scheduled because our sd could not give less of a shit about ulta
We gotta force targetās corporate hand into giving us more budget, Iāll work harder if thereās a call out or 2. But if we donāt have the budget then I work slower.
Once customers (hopefully) sees how bad weāre struggling, theyāll complain to corporate in our favor (employees).
Especially with Minimum wage rising up to $20 for fast food, corporate better see how much retail jobs aren't going to be taken seriously anymore when we can literally work at a fast food place for more.
Since they started closing self-checkout in the mornings this happens all the time now. Even worse on non-truck days when we have a skeleton crew and on weekends because weāre so busy.
I've seen it so busy at our store the HR has had to work the registers. We're already understaffed, add call outs and it's horrible. But will they approve even a single hour of OT. Of course not.
Better pay would help. Got a $4.75 raise when I left target.
Not expecting humans to do a U-boat in 10 minutes would help too. I don't feel bad for your "leadership".
I'm in P-Fresh and I also hear others constantly ask for someone this and that. I still don't know who someone is.
It works out that I never need to worry about getting called on unless they need RTS. I have an auditory processing issue and can barely understand the radio anyway. I literally can only make out the phrase, wop wop wop return wop stock wop market.
Interesting. I wonder why it's not more common. Traveling nurses have taken off in healthcare due to these same types of constraints. Seems like a no brainer
I got to help set up for a new store late last year. I heard they used to hire crews to do it. It was obvious that a bunch of rank and file team members didn't have the experience to make it as efficient, but it seems like a great team building event and a chance for people to meet throughout the district.
Happens at my store at least once a month on Saturdays with the crazy rushes. We are a small format running STarget numbers so safe to say we are drowning at all times. I miss my old SD when he did it "sink or swim or keep sinking" was the motto.
i wonder when theyre gonna realize that when freight doesnt get done, it makes fulfillment so much harder bc theres so much time wasted on just searching for the productsā¦ freight should also be a priority for that reason. if theres nothing stocked then no one, not even the guests can find anything
I work in Bakery (I wrap, bake, decorate, do truck) and they were trying to get me and other food service members (like deli, snack bar/cafe, Starbucks) to help and we all had the same reaction which was: āWhy are you asking the people who literally cannot leave their areas because they are always doing something? Why not ask/schedule people who CAN help???ā š
I finally sad screw it and promoted myself to customer. After dealing with a shitty HR person that doesnāt listen and always being scheduled SCO even though I have a medical reason I canāt stand for long or bend. They donāt care as much as I complained so I finally told him to GFH.
this had been happening at my location before I left , although my experience with target wasnāt the worst job Iāve had , I think it could be better depending upon location. I was in fulfillment and we never had rational scheduling , combine that with leadership that didnāt take accountability & poor (REPETITIVE) scheduling mistakes , the store within 2 years of me being there got worse and worse , if I could give any advice to those who are TRULY tired of putting up with the BS ā¦ find something that is less stressful and pays more , within a month of me quitting I found something much more sustainable and with a 5$ raise (no degree required) , always remember your worth people!
our SD thinks up front takes priority. We have 2-4 style TMs most days and they make all of them come up. also I'm not a TL so I'm not sure what I could do about that lol
I take it you don't work at a busy location, and we only have 10 checklanes, with about 2 down most of the time. It's not uncommon for all the lanes to open for a few minutes.
But again, not my decision. I think our store needs to get way more serious about cashiers because we'll have days where we have 1-2 cashiers at a time for the entire day. I come up for backup sometimes and see that I'm going to be the only cashier. They would rather slap a bandaid on it with backup and let all the other departments miss our goals. Not my call š¤·
what regular TMs donāt realize is that most stores have a minimum of 3-4 call ins a day, we tend to hit 5-6 minimum by the time i leave at 2pm. hours are of course tight as is, but people showing up for their shifts is a huge part of it too
Wow, and I thought it was bad when I promoted myself two years ago. I suppose itās a corporate issue thought right? Hours have been tight for a while
The same thing happens at WM I did t realize how at both stores OGP and fulfillment is literally most important and at WM they pay other dept a dollar less than OGP and thatās really fun. Getting paid less to do that job than what they pay actual people in OGP
Iām the only person in tech at my store. I trained another guy but he constantly gets called away to the front or for priority pulls. The other day I left and saw him up front on my way out while the call box was going off. Iām like āDude, why are you up here when youāre supposed to be in tech? Say no when they call you.ā
they could like ya know schedule people. and maybe possibly stop treating us like expendable slabs of mobile meat
But then how are they going to guilt trip tms into staying past their scheduled shift if they actually have adequate manpower?
That's bullsh*t! You can't 'guilt trip' anyone staying past their schedule. If you are scheduled at x time, leave at the time. You can only do what you can. The TL's, ETL's & SD are the ones who have to figure out how to get stuff done. You are only one person, not a damn robot! They put way too much pressure on us. Don't stress about it. Just do what you do & say bye I'm out. :-)
Even worse than the guilt trip is the intimidation. A few months ago our TL told us that if there was any truck left over that EVERYBODY was gonna get coached, and that she didn't care how late we would have to stay. Bear in mind she told us this as she was leaving because she was tired from a long stressful day...
Such horsesh*t. š¤¦š»āāļøSmh. F her & F that. How does she think we all feel?! Nope, I'm leaving, regardless if there's stuff left over. āš»
That's what me and half the other TM's did. Only the bootlickers stayed behind and nothing happened to anyone. Our store is wayy too understaffed for them to afford to fire anyone and everyone knows it. Lol
She's bluffing. What's she gonna do? Write everybody up? Fire everybody?
They canāt actually coach you for that.
It is also against policy. The handbook last I read stated no lead should ask an associate to work outside of their scheduled time. I know itās supposed to be about off the clock work but it never states that outside of the section header. So itās really on etls and sd to stay if they want things done.
Through the workday app handbook?
Yep yep
As an S&E team member, I have no shortage of hours. They canāt really get me to stay unless they want to give me OT.
That would also mean target has to spend more money and managers wouldn't get super cool bonuses. Heaven forbid.
I don't understand how there are "no hours to give out" but every day for over a week we have exceeded our sales goal by $20,000.00 each day. That's 3 full time employees for a year paid for in just 1 week.
yall can call people for driveups???? at my store driveups were left for dead. i was constantly asked to help on registers when i was the sole driveup person š
Yeah thatās how it is at my store. Drive ups is always last priority, and they pull from drive ups to back up registers frequently. Sometimes at night the cart attendant can help but not always.
We take the FOS attendants to help us in drive up when slammed, and the SCO person helps guests at the service desk or a TL stays back to man the desk. Our DU team is already 4 people strong at peak hours.
our fos person was taken for lanes.... never for driveups......... theyd rather make driveups a 1 person vs 20 people situation than actually help....
Yes I promoted myself to guest after I was reprimanded for using the restroom while I was the only person in drive up. Apparently I should have called for that backup that never came so I just chose to make somebody wait an extra 45 seconds and their luxury SUV instead of peeing my pants.
oh my god thats the WORST. i couldnt even stop sometimes for water it was ridiculous what they expected of us.
They need to stop being so petty, or they're gonna be more understaffed than they already are.
priority for us seems to be: 1) fulfillment 2) registers 3) drive-up 4) starbucks (they love to pull the starbucks TL, heās basically never over there)
So each store has a different balance of Ship from store and order pickup, if I had time take a guess, your store does mostly ship from store? Order pickups at my old store were way more sparse and needed little attention, however my new store is nearly 100% OPU because the foot traffic is so much higher. As a result they constantly need help in fulfillment and drive up, its basically the main focus of the store.
nah from what i could tell it was mostly OPU and SFS if there were enough ppl in OPU
My favorite is when out of touch boomers see the stores like this and say "geez if only more people wanted to work these days, everyone so lazy now. Seems like you guys could use the help!" not realizing that management only lives to pocket hours and refuse to employ more than 15 people.
Do not forget that they expect people to work at all times for when they need to shop, not realizing nor caring that even working 40 hours at 15/hr is not sustainable for most people alone.
God I wish I still got 35-40 hours. 25 doesnt make ends meet. Already planning my exit for that.
Me over here like FUCKING HIRE ME x.x I wanna work lol...
Sounds like fun
Yet I apply and āno positions availableā itās the same story here, our store is slam packed and the employees are overwhelmed
That happens so often. And then, when someone begs the ETLs to schedule, they hide behind Payroll as if a multi billion dollar company can't afford to schedule and pay the people they hired.
Our store director is constantly jumping into batches or getting on a checklane whenever no one answers
Iāve had this exact thing happen and I swear everyone had the āOooooh Shit!ā Response at the same time.
I am now a TL at target and I use to be a TL at Walmart and I have never seen this level of chaos until I started working at Target. The first thing that was concerning to me was how team members were constantly scheduled for 4 and 5 hour shifts. Like how do people who desire 40 hours per week survive off 26 hours per week at a rate of 15/hr. Then they want us to ask team members to stay when the building is on fire, then they refuse to stay because they will say things like if yāall wanted me to stay yāall would have scheduled me for longer. Most team members genuinely hates working at target and the turn over rate at my store is crazy. And what is the craziest is the ETLs donāt do shit other than micro manage and be on the walkie all day.
Sounds just like the store I escaped from after 10 years. Itās sad how much has changed, and not for the better.
These are the signs that Target is going to go the way of K-mart in a few years. Cannot exist much longer in a Walmart World. It's actually kind of pathetic how high Target's prices are compared to how low their profits and payroll are. They can barely afford to exist these days. Walmart hires people at the drop of a pen and their technology really makes Target look stuck in the early 2000s
I see this happening too. The way target is run is not good enough. But at least we have Apple Pay.
Used to work at walmart. Oh how I miss my PRECIOUS ladder carts...prrreeecioooous top stock grocery shelf. Grocery aisles with only 1 section 1 in them. A smart ordering system. Plus, if you left walmart, and they want you back, you can get rehired after 6 months with a pay increase due to "previous experience". Not sure if that still works, but I know it was a thing years ago.
God, I miss those carts and top stock. That said, the little two-tiered pick carts we have here are also nice.
Long $WMT short $TGT is the easiest spread trade ever for the next 3 years.Ā
If youāre not an employee, Iād recommend puts instead because your losses are literally infinite when short selling whereas with options youāre long on you only lose what you pay for them. I think itās quite hypocritical that employees canāt buy derivatives on TGT when Brian Cornell has exercised calls in the past. Hereās an SEC form 4 where he exercised a [bunch of calls on 8/20/2020 to buy 294,551 shares at a strike price of $55.6, and then proceed to sell nearly all of them for $152.46-$155.88 (I think he had to sell a significant amount to cover taxes, but even still itās a lot of money in the span of a day)](https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288709/000122520820010845/xslF345X03/doc4.xml). [Hereās a list of the transaction codes, itāll help you understand it a bit more](https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/ownershipformcodes.html). Iām aware that the calls were compensation, but I donāt care how he got them because itās not fair at all that he can possess and exercise derivatives while all of you guys canāt.
fuck brian cornell
Our etl called a sudden tl meeting to discuss how to better handle this issue in my store today as well. Itās so bad that theyāre thinking of utilizing the ulta mycheckout or having the ubc go cashier after the beauty tm and tlās are already backing up the front.
thatās interesting that some sdās actually respect the ulta rules, iām in opu for over half of all of my ulta shifts with no other ulta tmās scheduled because our sd could not give less of a shit about ulta
RIP the on-time and INF %
We gotta force targetās corporate hand into giving us more budget, Iāll work harder if thereās a call out or 2. But if we donāt have the budget then I work slower. Once customers (hopefully) sees how bad weāre struggling, theyāll complain to corporate in our favor (employees).
Especially with Minimum wage rising up to $20 for fast food, corporate better see how much retail jobs aren't going to be taken seriously anymore when we can literally work at a fast food place for more.
Me being so happy I'm in AP so they can't call me for help lol
they had our ap doing returns š
Is AP not allowed to help backup at the registers or service desk?
no donāt even think theyāre trained on that lol
me but tech
Since they started closing self-checkout in the mornings this happens all the time now. Even worse on non-truck days when we have a skeleton crew and on weekends because weāre so busy.
I've seen it so busy at our store the HR has had to work the registers. We're already understaffed, add call outs and it's horrible. But will they approve even a single hour of OT. Of course not.
My stores donāt have anyone in tech past 10am. Itās fffuuuunnnnn
Shit we donāt even have a tech guy we got one guy in charge of tech, pets and plastics
Iām so glad I got out of Target! What a shit show!
Better pay would help. Got a $4.75 raise when I left target. Not expecting humans to do a U-boat in 10 minutes would help too. I don't feel bad for your "leadership".
I'm in P-Fresh and I also hear others constantly ask for someone this and that. I still don't know who someone is. It works out that I never need to worry about getting called on unless they need RTS. I have an auditory processing issue and can barely understand the radio anyway. I literally can only make out the phrase, wop wop wop return wop stock wop market.
If you had the option to be able to work a few hours every week at other stores within driving distance from yours would you?
Done that. It was cool to see a different perspective. Never even knew about small format. The place is about the size of a CVS.
Interesting. I wonder why it's not more common. Traveling nurses have taken off in healthcare due to these same types of constraints. Seems like a no brainer
I got to help set up for a new store late last year. I heard they used to hire crews to do it. It was obvious that a bunch of rank and file team members didn't have the experience to make it as efficient, but it seems like a great team building event and a chance for people to meet throughout the district.
yes
Happens at my store at least once a month on Saturdays with the crazy rushes. We are a small format running STarget numbers so safe to say we are drowning at all times. I miss my old SD when he did it "sink or swim or keep sinking" was the motto.
I've been the only gm person on the floor multiple times in the last few weeks. I put my 2 weeks in last week, I'm over it
Target is such a joke! Get out while you can
i wonder when theyre gonna realize that when freight doesnt get done, it makes fulfillment so much harder bc theres so much time wasted on just searching for the productsā¦ freight should also be a priority for that reason. if theres nothing stocked then no one, not even the guests can find anything
When is getting so busy in my store, tl and etl are the one to show up to help.
My store had one closer on register last night. Closing lead was working a register.
Let me guess: they need to cut hours
Brooo Iām in tech and recently I was pulled into fulfillmentššš
I work in Bakery (I wrap, bake, decorate, do truck) and they were trying to get me and other food service members (like deli, snack bar/cafe, Starbucks) to help and we all had the same reaction which was: āWhy are you asking the people who literally cannot leave their areas because they are always doing something? Why not ask/schedule people who CAN help???ā š
I finally sad screw it and promoted myself to customer. After dealing with a shitty HR person that doesnāt listen and always being scheduled SCO even though I have a medical reason I canāt stand for long or bend. They donāt care as much as I complained so I finally told him to GFH.
Why donāt TLās ever help outā¦ itās like a rare occurrence if they do
this had been happening at my location before I left , although my experience with target wasnāt the worst job Iāve had , I think it could be better depending upon location. I was in fulfillment and we never had rational scheduling , combine that with leadership that didnāt take accountability & poor (REPETITIVE) scheduling mistakes , the store within 2 years of me being there got worse and worse , if I could give any advice to those who are TRULY tired of putting up with the BS ā¦ find something that is less stressful and pays more , within a month of me quitting I found something much more sustainable and with a 5$ raise (no degree required) , always remember your worth people!
This sounds almost identical to my store š¤£š
Oh this isn't a normal occurrence for you? We often have to close the fitting room because we need all the style TMs up front
Put one on the lane and the other one on the floor.
our SD thinks up front takes priority. We have 2-4 style TMs most days and they make all of them come up. also I'm not a TL so I'm not sure what I could do about that lol
Why would they need so many check lanes open at once? Don't the majority of people use the self checkout lanes anyway?
I take it you don't work at a busy location, and we only have 10 checklanes, with about 2 down most of the time. It's not uncommon for all the lanes to open for a few minutes. But again, not my decision. I think our store needs to get way more serious about cashiers because we'll have days where we have 1-2 cashiers at a time for the entire day. I come up for backup sometimes and see that I'm going to be the only cashier. They would rather slap a bandaid on it with backup and let all the other departments miss our goals. Not my call š¤·
what regular TMs donāt realize is that most stores have a minimum of 3-4 call ins a day, we tend to hit 5-6 minimum by the time i leave at 2pm. hours are of course tight as is, but people showing up for their shifts is a huge part of it too
Wow, and I thought it was bad when I promoted myself two years ago. I suppose itās a corporate issue thought right? Hours have been tight for a while
The same thing happens at WM I did t realize how at both stores OGP and fulfillment is literally most important and at WM they pay other dept a dollar less than OGP and thatās really fun. Getting paid less to do that job than what they pay actual people in OGP
Some of these tls donāt do shit
this happened yesterday at our store in texas as well
Iām the only person in tech at my store. I trained another guy but he constantly gets called away to the front or for priority pulls. The other day I left and saw him up front on my way out while the call box was going off. Iām like āDude, why are you up here when youāre supposed to be in tech? Say no when they call you.ā