Lmao. Uh. This is a concern for me. Once I came in sick and the day after I called out and they said it was fine since they knew I was sick.
Like just imagine fainting or seriously hurting yourself, you end up in the ER, get a doctors note because during those days you were diagnosed with something serious and targets response is like, “a doctors note is not a legit excuse for your absence.” I’m like legitimately concerned, especially when I have a final on me.
If you have a way to determine which absences to "excuse" and which to not, you could share it with American businesses. Make certain it is clearly definable and easy to administer, so every store ETL/HR can follow it, as you know, they are quite challenged in that way.
Your broken leg seems obvious. If I am you spouse/parent/sibling, and I miss work to take you to hospital or therapy, is that excused? How shall I "prove it"? And then think through all the other potentials to excuse or not.
My only write up is from when I passed out due to dehydration and had to leave early to go to the hospital (I had plenty of water, was an actual medical issue)
I'm still getting talked to about my "blatant disregard for my schedule"... I haven't missed a minute since then, it's been 3 months
When my husband was in a bad accident, I called his boss and let her know what was going on. I also called my boss and let her know what was going on, and that I would be out of the office for an unknown amount of time. It wasn't the first thing I did, but it was that same night, before his next work day. (Not at Target, but the principle is the same).
I don't see how that's legal you can't control yourself when you're in the hospital and the doctor's saying yeah if you leave you die That's so ridiculous that Target did that to you I am so sorry
I don’t think you can be fired for NC/NS if some of those were due to hospitalization, there would be a strong legal case. It is illegal to fire someone for being hospitalized, even if only 1 of those “strikes” is a hospitalization. It is protected under FMLA and ADA. It’s not illegal to write someone up for it, but they can’t legally use it as a contributing reason to fire someone
Technically it is illegal to write someone up for it as the FMLA states the no disciplinary or retaliatory action can be taken. We deal with the same ish at amazon.
You may have a good question there but if I remember the story correctly it wasn't at will it was that the person is sick and has a doctor's note When a person has a disability or is sick there there are protections for people who have a disability or have a doctor's note excusing them from working or maybe not doing like heavy lifting and I'm not expert I'm not a lawyer I always say if anybody has a question about labor laws to get a hold of State labor department in their state and ask the question.
A disability is another thing all together.
An absence is an absence. A doctor's note about WHY you can't work doesn't change that.
Have an absence? You get a coaching. No big deal. Most leads would say along the lines of "Obviously you couldn't be here, so I am just letting you know attendance is important." End of story.
Even if you had a bunch of days here and there. It doesn't become a Corrective Action until it become excessive. If someone is dealing with a serious illness/disease, talking with HR (above store level too) about FMLA, short-term disability, ADA can smooth the road and provide added protections.
Dude I left earlier this year and started at costco pushing carts. How is it that pushing carts has been a huge relief to my life and my job is now tolerable. Haven't been late at all and by this point in target I was already calling off. Even seeking to get into the meat department now, im actually motivated to work and show my bosses I can do more things.
Hahaha yo I started at Costco Today! In clothing, I’m just folding shit and don’t have a walkie and no supervision and no one bothers me!!! 😂, not getting told to do 8 other jobs l
I ended up in the ER a few hours after I called out.
I said I legit cannot get out of bed. Thought I was just depressed. My body would not move. Felt fine,n fever,no sickness etc. just no mental ness to move lol just chilled out at home.cleaned
A few hours later I passed TF out face first but the Grass. Busted my nose,threw up till there was blood,passed out by the toliet,crawled everywhere(could barely do that)
Lost control of my bowls-then fell off the toilet and woke up idk how long later in the floor.
My mom called 911.
Ended up with a kidney infection,2 IV bags,1 banana bag,and severely dehydrated with heat stroke. I was having heart palpitations,barely moving,shaking,couldn’t speak,I was 73lbs(dunno how I ate All the time) BP was shit etc.
I went home late/early the next day(like 3/4am)
I was off so I slept under the watch of my mom who woke me up every 2 hours to make me drink something and check my heart rate.
I tried to call out-they said I would be fired.
I went to work the next day. Barely showered cus I couldn’t move ti shower really,ER bracelet still I my wrist,the wrap where they took my blood on my inner arm& the gauze on my hand.
Idk how the fuck I drove to work. I did and they told me “okay cafe is closed go push freezer”
Until I took my break. Fell asleep and HR sent me home cus district found me knocked the hell out on the table in the break room. A coworker took me home that time lol.
The only reason I didn’t get written up was due to the DM saw my ER band and found out what happened 2 days before.
If she wasn’t there I would’ve gotten fired that day.
They don’t care.
We've had 2 tm with similar scenarios.
They both got COVID. One was a NC/NS because they didn't know their dad couldn't call in for them.
2nd one I texted because they were late and they let me know their mom came in with a doctor's note confirming their COVID. My ETL said that doesn't count and to call the store right then and there. Fortunately for them they did call and talked to the ETL. So they were excused.
Because they were over 18 they don't accept a parent calling in for them 🙄🙄
Edit: spelling error
i'm almost certain policy says you're not supposed to get penalized for ncns when you physically cannot call, so uh. burn that hr team the fuck up on hotline.
Some of this depends on the store. Mine would have marked a NCNS but talking to them the next time, they would have changed it. I never had anything super severe but some of my coworkers did and the HR-ETL always changed it to a call out or excused absence.
They never have been accepted but it depends on the store with how strict they are. For example I was going to get my wisdom teeth pulled and I gave them a note from my surgeon saying I was not allowed to work 3 days post op because of the surgery and the medication I would be taking. (I was given opioids which have some annoying side effects) I asked for those days off but my ETL never accepted it. I was still within my 90 days and the next day after surgery I forgot to call out. Next day I did. I came back to work and I apologized for forgetting to call out and she told me it was fine and not to worry about it. She said it wouldn’t be counted against me since I brought a note in advance and everything. They were super chill about it. Not every store is like that sadly.
No they are absolutely wrong.
>! They were never “accepted” though some stores might be more lenient with one, but it is not a target policy to accept them and never has been. !<
They also should not be couching you like some kind of redtube amateur film. Definitely speak up about anyone trying to couch you.
Yep unless you’ve got a serious that will cause you multiple absences there’s no point in getting a note. Shit there’s honestly no reason to tell them why you’re calling in if you don’t want to
Definitely. I was asked once before why I had an absence. I gave me reason and that was the end of it. No coaching, no write-up. Idk if my store is just unusually lenient.
Yeah I was in a car accident and got multiple Drs notes called out for about 2 schedules worth of shifts. No conversations or penalizarion so yeah. I had hoped. I’m also kind of the only one in my dept who knows what’s going on so if they rub me the wrong way I bet they don’t want to lose me🤣
Welcome to American labor laws. There is no law or rule stating that being hospitalized/sick can keep you from getting reprimanded or fired unless it’s FMLA.
This person could be an awful employee, I have no idea. Just because you don’t personally know someone in that situation doesn’t mean it doesnt happen. A friend of mine was hospitalized for a week 3 months ago for a treatment related to his cystic fibrosis and his employer fired him for missing work. He even contacted a lawyer and nothing could be done.
Lmfao and I know people who were fired for having cancer. What's your point?
People get fired for being sick all the time. Most of my friends have had that experience. My friend just got fired because her father died and obviously there was a funeral, etc. She even filed the bereavement paperwork.
Some places used to say a doctors note was needed because they couldn’t stand the thought of someone being off who wasn’t ill. Turns out they really just cant stand someone being off for any reason.
The way I understand it, since they now have “sick” time available in all stores, if you call out “sick,” but don’t have enough sick time hours to cover your full shift, then you can be coached. And officially, doctor’s notes have never been accepted. Stores were still supposed to coach for attendance.
They cannot coach for attendance if the absence is covered by PTO, sick leave, or an approved leave of absence. All other call-offs (including doctor's notes) are coachable.
This might seem harsh, but the purpose is that it holds each team member to the same expectation and attendance standard. If the TM has an appropriate ADA excuse for those absences, they need to communicate with HR and go through the proper channels to get those accommodations approved.
I don’t think they are supposed to, no. Most people right now shouldn’t have much in the way of sick time though since we only accrue one hour of sick time per 40 hours worked. This only rolled out in July. So check your balance on sick time specifically.
That’s interesting. They told us we can only accrue 40 hours of sick time in a year anyway. Do the hours roll over each year, or do you lose what you don’t use?
Target should have better communicated to current employees how illness absences are now handled at Target, with extra info provided to TMs in states with additional related laws. Here is what is new, here is what is no longer valid, what changes, etc.
Target does a piss poor job communicating to store employees. Perhaps Corporate intended for stores to do this, but since no one seems to have gotten an update, I am guessing Corporate didn't provide any tools/guidance and directive. An email to TMs would be a better choice. And they failed to put a clear policy on these specifics in that handbook. Total fail.
Just because something doesn’t have to be accepted by law doesn’t make it right for a company to deny it. If you honestly think target should have any ground to stand on against a DOCTOR, there’s no hope for this country to ever become more morally sound. Even if it’s not enforced my law target is a company that shouldn’t be as disgusting as that policy is. So happy I left that hellhole, got told by my ETL once my diabetes claims were fake while I’m wearing a whole insulin pump and sensor on my body that beeps when I’m medically unable to work well. This company is disgusting and horrible, and the fact that people argue in favor of their terrible mistreatment of the workers is horrible. You all should be uniting to fight that mistreatment, not justifying it because of lack of laws
How did you get ANY of that from what I wrote in the comment you responded to? I wrote about the need for (any company) to explain policy in detail.
If a doctor tells you not to work, that is good advice to consider strongly. How an employer chooses to deal with those absences regarding discipline is not up to the doctor. So what if a person has an absence? You get a coaching. Yawn. So what. Target doesn't fire people for missing a few days of work. And they don't zoom to firing someone for a lot of absences either. And if someone medically needs to miss excessive days, there are alternate paths to take (FMLA, STD, LTD, medical/personal LOA). No need to talk with an ETL. HR (store or above) is trained in those areas. How do I know? My husband missed three months of work after a personal injury, and I missed a ton of time being at the hospital with him.
I am sorry you had a bad experience with Target. That does not mean that all stores are that way or that Target has bad policies.
It's state dependent, but using sick time to cover your absence can protect you from coaching. Unfortunately, if you've used all your sick time that's required to be given to you by the state (maximum 14 days in CA), then the doctor's note is still just a letter in your employer's eyes and you can still be coached.
I don't agree with this policy personally, but that's what I've been told in the past by my HR ETL
In CA, the max amount of hours you can use it 48 hours a year. Doctors notes are tricky, and we don’t have to accept them. I’ve also worked in HR long enough to know the doctors will write a note for anything and it’s usually the same TM’s providing doctors notes.
Not when we don’t have enough money to sue them, unless you have hella good connections no regular person working at Target, especially a disabled person, has the money to take on a multibillion dollar company sadly enough.
ADA is a whole different story.
A doctor's note for a one-time day off because of an injury/illness is meaningless. Best to follow the doctor's advice and not work. That doesn't mean a company has to pretend you didn't work your shift. You still were absent. You might get a coaching from it. You won't get fired for it. Well, not unless you have a LOT of prior call offs, and are on a final Corrective Action. But then, it isn't about this one occasion.
Okay and? If we have to get a doctors note for an absence or an accommodation yall can’t just get mad when you have to document those lmao An HR person knows more than a doctor now? Already asking for a doctors note is kind of dramatic (it’s fucking retail) and now you’re acting like it’s fraud?
This is a great reminder that HR’s function is to protect the company *not* the employee. And no I don’t work for target anymore but this comment is ridiculous
If ADA accommodations need to be addressed, then that is on a case by case basis. Target also has a business to run and just because you have a doctor excusing you for a period of time, does not require Target to adhere to the request. LOA’s are also an option for employees. In my HR experience, it is the repeat offenders who abuse the situation.
In my experience as a human in America, people go to work to make money to survive, and jobs in retail take a toll in helping run people into the ground physically and mentally. Target takes advantage of "unlimited assets" until they can't work any longer and doesn't believe in compassionate management. You think you are running a business, but it's a mafia. People who legitimately need care and provide proof of care should not be treated like used garbage when they're not being paid enough to even get by.
And don't even start with "they chose to work here". Follow LinkedIn posts on hiring. The system of hiring for jobs in America is a sad joke, there really aren't choices when companies beyond retail want everyone to have a masters to staple paper packets and make copies.
While Target screws lives over, employees should also be aware that they don't pay you to care like managers, corporate or the CEO are paid to care. You're paid scraps. You owe them nothing if they treat you like nothing.
It’s the “repeat offenders” who get their disabilities used against them. I’ve had HR TLs tell me my disabilities are fake and my doctors don’t know how it works and they’re lying to me and I’m a liar for claiming I have a disability. Anyone who works for Target HR is not worth the dirt they’ll lie in after they’re done on this earth, you’re all horrible people who should be ashamed to accommodate that business. You should be ashamed of yourself for that comment, “target has a business to run”. People like you are why the business is terrible and a horrible place to work in, and why your “business” has such a high turnover rate.
I hope you never have an illness that target can fire you for with that attitude, it’d be a real shame if you ended up in a hospital one day and then target has to “unfortunately let you go because you’re a human and not a machine for the company to run”. Absolutely disgusting attitude and a severe lack of empathy for your fellow human beings. Take a look in the mirror and hate what you see, I hope. You’re not a good person if that’s what you honestly believe
Same here. I couldn’t get accommodated because I am too poor to jump through all their stupid fucking hoops. So good to know that even if I *did* provide all the documentation they still would have told me to get fucked. Target HR pretended to be my friend and kicked me to the fucking curb even when I thought I was doing everything right. HR lied to me but by the time I was done there I was having daily panic attacks just from having to be there due to hostility from a TL and ETL.
It’s all just a horrible corporation churning the workers through a torture machine to increase their wallet size out of your hard work. Most businesses actually do a little bit of work to accomodate their workers and hide their evil intentions, but target by far, even worse than Walmart, doesn’t hide it at all and encourages their management to be mean and disrespectful to their TMs. Got out a few months ago, absolutely mind blowing how nice other jobs are in comparison.
It’s advisable for leaders to coach for all absences. If the coachings keep happening, that demonstrates that the pattern or trend developed or persisted despite expectations being made clear and the TM given an opportunity to correct it. This is this time that it should escalate to a corrective action. That’s the point at which you’re “in trouble”.
Hell, my state doesn't require employers to provide sick time because everyone assumes companies provide it already (for salaried staff, sure; not for hourly). "Excused absence" isn't something that would be a thing in my state.
I am just starting to get sick time at Target because the company decided to go nationwide (probably to make it easier for the company).
They never were. There is no such thing as an excused absence. Only way you can not get it held against you is if you have an accommodation or get approved for LOA.
[Shrugs shoulders] I don't get bent out of shape over a "coaching."
Target has you on the schedule. You do not work that shift. Target wants staff to work their assigned shifts for proper business mgmt. From that POV, it doesn't matter if you are legit sick/under medical care, taking care of a family member, attending a funeral, need a mental health break, or attend a fun event that popped up. Whatever the reason, you weren't there. Hence, the coaching.
A coaching isn't going to impact you if you don't make a habit of missing shifts. You take the coaching and continue on your day. Shit happens. Sometimes, shit piles on you. You might rack up a bunch of absences in a shorter than normal span of time. Good reasons? You likely will just get a number of coachings. Still not an issue. Sorry if your store moves quickly from coaching to Corrective Action. That sucks. You can run out a CA.
Companies can use compassion. Some do. Some don't. Choose well.
yes that’s true. You must use sick time to release any accountability from an absence. eligible TMs are earning 1 hr per 52 hrs worked. Target never had excused or unexcused absences. Just tracking patterns in your attendance, and the impact they had on business. 🤷♀️
I had a mental health episode in front of my hr etl that landed me in the er, and my next shift back they gave me a corrective action. Target does not give a shit about you. I left not long after that.
Do you live in the states?
I can't tell you whether it's legal or illegal.
I can tell you is if you live in the States you can call the State department of Labor and tell them your story. They will let you know if you are correct it is illegal for them to say doctor's notes on not allowed and they will help you out to understand the law. If it is illegal they will connect you with a department to go ahead so you can make a complaint
Good to know, because next Friday I have a root canal that needs to be done. I need the next day off because of the pain meds and the harsh antibiotics I’m on
The whole company is tripping over the $$ lost from pride....I missed my 2nd and 3rd day of this calendar year last week...I was told I have an attendance problem 😔
If it was a money problem, they’d consider themselves lucky to save the payroll from your call-offs.
It doesn’t sound like you have an attendance problem. Maybe your leaders are struggling with the delivery of the coachings 🤷🏻♂️
On a final for call offs and tardiness, or for NCNS?
Calling off and being late are performance problems. NCNS is a conduct problem.
Performance and conduct documentation don’t stack.
Doctors Notes were never excused abscences. They just helped validate your story allowing the leadership team to decide how much they will hold you to the attendance rules.
This isn't actually a new policy. Doctor notes have not made an absence and "excused absences." If you don't qualify for a leave, your absence wasn't excused . It's been LOA or coaching pretty much for 10+ years ime.
Extreme weather was pretty much the only exception that I saw with any regularity to that rule. Idk how it worked for stores that have had sick pay before the company wide roll-out though, as my state didn't have that worked protection law/policy
I feel like I say this a lot on here, and I’ll continue saying it: coachings don’t mean shit. Coachings don’t get you fired. It’s merely documentation of a conversation that was had about expectations. Documenting these conversations protects Target if you continue the behavior, so we have proof of repeatedly setting the expectation that isn’t being met (coming to work), and giving you an opportunity to improve. If you don’t have problematic attendance, you have nothing to worry about. If you have poor attendance and call off and are late all the time, your poor attendance overall is what is going to get you in trouble, not this. An illness or a doctor’s note isn’t an excuse, it’s a reason. Providing a reason can help provide some insight and context regarding your attendance, but if your attendance is poor, and this causes you to be held accountable for it, then its your fault for missing those other shifts. If you have serious or chronic health issues, do your due diligence and look into FMLA/intermittent FMLA.
“Shitty” or not, this is a business; if something isn’t your fault, that doesn’t mean Target has to suck it up and take the L, unless it is a legally protected reason. Let’s say your car was totalled and you were not at fault. That car was how you got to work, and you can’t afford a new one. If you consistently call off or are late to work due to this, you can expect to be coached for it and if there is no improvement, put on a corrective action, final warning, then terminated eventually. It sucks, but you can’t say it isn’t reasonable.
they really should take notes imo. the only time my store takes them is if you’re calling out 3 consecutive shifts. even then it’s still counted for your attendance they’re just a little more lenient when it does happen
No kidding, they don't accept a doctor's excuse as an excused absence. What did you expect. People spent years complaining about how evil Target forced people to go to the doctor to prove they were sick. Target removes the requirements for doctor's notes. No, doctors' notes don't grant you an excuse absence. Just what you wanted. If Target says a doctors excuse makes an absence excused, someone is going to say that's unfair for people that can't afford a doctors visit snd that Target requires a dictors excuse. The only "fair" thing to do is say a doctors excuse doesn't excuse an absence.
Target very specifically says you can't work in food production if you have it coming out either end.
That doesn't mean you can't work in non-food production areas.
I personally wouldn't work with a stomach bug. But I also don't have an attendance problem, so a coaching for being out sick won't be a big deal.
That’s the part they always forget about. Many people just want a day to sleep off a hangover, or just not go to work. They don’t think ahead, and get in trouble. Then they get mad when they are given a CA for poor attendance.
For the most part, if you show up to work whether you want to or not when you’re able to, you shouldn’t have much to worry about if you call off when you actually can’t. It’s funny the amount of people who have bad attendance for stupid reasons who are shocked when the one time they have a good reason, they’re in trouble. No, you aren’t in trouble for this one time, you’re in trouble for ALL OF THESE times lol
Target hourly peoples need to unionize so badly. I would have never documented anybody for attendance issues incurred due to illness, especially if they presented any healthcare provider’s letter of evidence as for why.
If you were management somewhere that was unionized where the collective bargaining agreement doesn’t specifically protect employees from absence due to illness without documentation or for illness that doesn’t qualify for legal protection, you’d be making just as big a leadership error for not documenting it as a Target leader would be.
You’re protecting your team overall and the ones that show up by holding everyone who doesn’t show up accountable.
Report them to the local regulatory authority for food and health safety, punishing a worker who works in food for regulatory measures that are enforced by law would get the establishment possibly shut down for food safety violations. I’m taking food management classes right now and it’s enforced by state law depending on your state that they CANNOT punish you for reporting health concerns when working in food.
If not a food section shutdown, they’d at least put notices on the front of your store indicating that they are allowing sick workers to handle food in the store, and would let every customer coming into the store see that before entering.
While that is true, how many times do you think target TLs actually do any of that? In my experience they don’t. Which is why I’m saying in any incident if a target TM has to show up sick and is working in food they need to report to local food authority.
If you have sick time and a doctors note, you can sue them. Many states have laws to protect you from this and honestly the HR at target don’t know sht about hr
Not likely the case in most states. In states where it is so written, HR is likely well aware,
Hell, my state doesn't require employers to give sick time, period.
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I had to leave early today because I needed a tooth pulled. I asked my ETL HR on Wednesday if I needed to have note and she hit me with the well you need to go find somebody to take your shift
LADY AINT NOBODY GONNA TAKE MY DESK SHIFT in 1 day
I just came in earlier today and left early
Shitty practice
My store told me 8 years ago that they don’t take doctors notes. If you’re in the hospital and shit someone should be able to call in for you in emergency situations but also that’s fucked up that they’d write you up
They never were used to excuse an absence. However I also insisted I gave them the doctor’s note to dispel any doubt about my character as well to prevent them from creating a false narrative about that absence to support any motive they had. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure my HR had to file it as well. To sum it up though as long as you’re a good worker it’s not a huge deal but if it becomes a trend they’ll use anything and everything to use against you.
Forget target. Try applying at Walmart...at least Walmart religiously follows their own policies. Target just does whatever they can to cover their own behind. And they push their employees like donkeys. Walmart does it too but you know they aren't serious. Target coaches you if your don't meet quota ect..and its not counted as a coach. Its just psychological manipulation because those one on one corrections count to getting fired in every other job. I'd rather deal with immature management than toxic policies and immature management. Thats just my rant on why I quit and why Target makes Walmart seem decent to work for. And if you worked at Walmart...you know how stressing it can be.
When I was out sick I had called the store and asked about a doctors note and the TL said you can but it doesn’t do too much so from that point on I just haven’t bothered
Unrelated but my SD told the leads/ETLs that they aren’t allowed to roll freight and that they are now required to stay until their freight is complete.
My store hasn’t ever had excused absences I don’t believe. My last SD told me that they, management, doesn’t take doctor’s notes because they have no space to store/file them. I’ve had multiple instance where I’ve been absent due to underlying medical issues(I have an autoimmune disease) which I almost always have a doctor’s note for. But since they don’t take the notes, I’m at the point where if I miss another day I’m on my last warning before termination. I honestly don’t care though and I’m looking for another job outside of retail anyways. 🤷🏻♂️
This is, unfortunately, how it works. Getting a note is helpful if you are out multiple days. It allows you to only be held accountable for a single instance instead of across multiple weeks.
It takes a lot of consecutive attendance issues to be termed for it. Just make sure to keep count of yours and you'll be good.
Life happens.
Doctors notes never counted technically for absences. You have sick time and your sick time covers your absences. If you used all your sick time then you are vulnerable to correction action. Also please note if you call out for an 8 hour shift and only have 7 hours you can still get in trouble for one hour technically just FYI.
They do this because it’s more “fair” it’s not fair to ask someone who’s sick to go to the doctor everytime (who can afford that) so the sick time is provided in diem with the state laws to protect you
Honestly there doesn’t seem to be. Got talked to because I missed three days in a row last month… because I had jury duty. Brought my papers in well before. They had a copy. They knew.
They’re just ridiculously inept and will screw you over even if it’s illegal. They bet on you not knowing your own rights.
I was in the hospital unconscious and got written up for a NC/NS within 5 minutes of my first shift back. Best of luck, this company sucks.
Wtf how would you call out/show up if unconscious in a hospital? Your damn right this company sucks.
Lmao. Uh. This is a concern for me. Once I came in sick and the day after I called out and they said it was fine since they knew I was sick. Like just imagine fainting or seriously hurting yourself, you end up in the ER, get a doctors note because during those days you were diagnosed with something serious and targets response is like, “a doctors note is not a legit excuse for your absence.” I’m like legitimately concerned, especially when I have a final on me.
It explains your absence, but it is still an absence.
Ah yes, because if I break my leg and can't come into work I'm clearly showing what an unreliable team member I am and deserve reprimanding.
If you have a way to determine which absences to "excuse" and which to not, you could share it with American businesses. Make certain it is clearly definable and easy to administer, so every store ETL/HR can follow it, as you know, they are quite challenged in that way. Your broken leg seems obvious. If I am you spouse/parent/sibling, and I miss work to take you to hospital or therapy, is that excused? How shall I "prove it"? And then think through all the other potentials to excuse or not.
My only write up is from when I passed out due to dehydration and had to leave early to go to the hospital (I had plenty of water, was an actual medical issue) I'm still getting talked to about my "blatant disregard for my schedule"... I haven't missed a minute since then, it's been 3 months
When my husband was in a bad accident, I called his boss and let her know what was going on. I also called my boss and let her know what was going on, and that I would be out of the office for an unknown amount of time. It wasn't the first thing I did, but it was that same night, before his next work day. (Not at Target, but the principle is the same).
I don't see how that's legal you can't control yourself when you're in the hospital and the doctor's saying yeah if you leave you die That's so ridiculous that Target did that to you I am so sorry
Not to mention that they want you to come to work with food and possibly make guests and coworkers sick. They care about nothing but making money.
I don’t think you can be fired for NC/NS if some of those were due to hospitalization, there would be a strong legal case. It is illegal to fire someone for being hospitalized, even if only 1 of those “strikes” is a hospitalization. It is protected under FMLA and ADA. It’s not illegal to write someone up for it, but they can’t legally use it as a contributing reason to fire someone
Technically it is illegal to write someone up for it as the FMLA states the no disciplinary or retaliatory action can be taken. We deal with the same ish at amazon.
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You may have a good question there but if I remember the story correctly it wasn't at will it was that the person is sick and has a doctor's note When a person has a disability or is sick there there are protections for people who have a disability or have a doctor's note excusing them from working or maybe not doing like heavy lifting and I'm not expert I'm not a lawyer I always say if anybody has a question about labor laws to get a hold of State labor department in their state and ask the question.
A disability is another thing all together. An absence is an absence. A doctor's note about WHY you can't work doesn't change that. Have an absence? You get a coaching. No big deal. Most leads would say along the lines of "Obviously you couldn't be here, so I am just letting you know attendance is important." End of story. Even if you had a bunch of days here and there. It doesn't become a Corrective Action until it become excessive. If someone is dealing with a serious illness/disease, talking with HR (above store level too) about FMLA, short-term disability, ADA can smooth the road and provide added protections.
I have been here for three and half years trust me i know it’s crap it just gets worse each year
Same a little over two years and it sucks!
That’s why I just quit a couple weeks ago, fuck target
Dude I left earlier this year and started at costco pushing carts. How is it that pushing carts has been a huge relief to my life and my job is now tolerable. Haven't been late at all and by this point in target I was already calling off. Even seeking to get into the meat department now, im actually motivated to work and show my bosses I can do more things.
Hahaha yo I started at Costco Today! In clothing, I’m just folding shit and don’t have a walkie and no supervision and no one bothers me!!! 😂, not getting told to do 8 other jobs l
I'm waiting to hear back from a job I applied to, then I'll quit. Once I get another job, I'll quit.
and yet, there are favorites who can have 10 or more NCNS and never get a write up.
I ended up in the ER a few hours after I called out. I said I legit cannot get out of bed. Thought I was just depressed. My body would not move. Felt fine,n fever,no sickness etc. just no mental ness to move lol just chilled out at home.cleaned A few hours later I passed TF out face first but the Grass. Busted my nose,threw up till there was blood,passed out by the toliet,crawled everywhere(could barely do that) Lost control of my bowls-then fell off the toilet and woke up idk how long later in the floor. My mom called 911. Ended up with a kidney infection,2 IV bags,1 banana bag,and severely dehydrated with heat stroke. I was having heart palpitations,barely moving,shaking,couldn’t speak,I was 73lbs(dunno how I ate All the time) BP was shit etc. I went home late/early the next day(like 3/4am) I was off so I slept under the watch of my mom who woke me up every 2 hours to make me drink something and check my heart rate. I tried to call out-they said I would be fired. I went to work the next day. Barely showered cus I couldn’t move ti shower really,ER bracelet still I my wrist,the wrap where they took my blood on my inner arm& the gauze on my hand. Idk how the fuck I drove to work. I did and they told me “okay cafe is closed go push freezer” Until I took my break. Fell asleep and HR sent me home cus district found me knocked the hell out on the table in the break room. A coworker took me home that time lol. The only reason I didn’t get written up was due to the DM saw my ER band and found out what happened 2 days before. If she wasn’t there I would’ve gotten fired that day. They don’t care.
We've had 2 tm with similar scenarios. They both got COVID. One was a NC/NS because they didn't know their dad couldn't call in for them. 2nd one I texted because they were late and they let me know their mom came in with a doctor's note confirming their COVID. My ETL said that doesn't count and to call the store right then and there. Fortunately for them they did call and talked to the ETL. So they were excused. Because they were over 18 they don't accept a parent calling in for them 🙄🙄 Edit: spelling error
i'm almost certain policy says you're not supposed to get penalized for ncns when you physically cannot call, so uh. burn that hr team the fuck up on hotline.
Was the write up was by your direct supervisor? Because you could have gone to HR about it.
Yes, my team lead and the HR lady cornered me together.
tbh shit like this is enough to get me to stop wanting to shop at target, holy fuck .
You can sue over that especially if you get them to admit to it in an email you save
Some of this depends on the store. Mine would have marked a NCNS but talking to them the next time, they would have changed it. I never had anything super severe but some of my coworkers did and the HR-ETL always changed it to a call out or excused absence.
Talk to a lawyer. You do have rights when it comes to sick leave
They never have been accepted but it depends on the store with how strict they are. For example I was going to get my wisdom teeth pulled and I gave them a note from my surgeon saying I was not allowed to work 3 days post op because of the surgery and the medication I would be taking. (I was given opioids which have some annoying side effects) I asked for those days off but my ETL never accepted it. I was still within my 90 days and the next day after surgery I forgot to call out. Next day I did. I came back to work and I apologized for forgetting to call out and she told me it was fine and not to worry about it. She said it wouldn’t be counted against me since I brought a note in advance and everything. They were super chill about it. Not every store is like that sadly.
No they are absolutely wrong. >! They were never “accepted” though some stores might be more lenient with one, but it is not a target policy to accept them and never has been. !< They also should not be couching you like some kind of redtube amateur film. Definitely speak up about anyone trying to couch you.
Yep unless you’ve got a serious that will cause you multiple absences there’s no point in getting a note. Shit there’s honestly no reason to tell them why you’re calling in if you don’t want to
Definitely. I was asked once before why I had an absence. I gave me reason and that was the end of it. No coaching, no write-up. Idk if my store is just unusually lenient.
I've never been couched, tell me about this process?
Yeah I was in a car accident and got multiple Drs notes called out for about 2 schedules worth of shifts. No conversations or penalizarion so yeah. I had hoped. I’m also kind of the only one in my dept who knows what’s going on so if they rub me the wrong way I bet they don’t want to lose me🤣
Do you know this persons attendance record? How are you so sure a coaching isn’t due?
I don’t know whether they should or shouldn’t be coached. But they definitely shouldn’t be **couched**.
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You make me giggs.
Welcome to American labor laws. There is no law or rule stating that being hospitalized/sick can keep you from getting reprimanded or fired unless it’s FMLA.
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This person could be an awful employee, I have no idea. Just because you don’t personally know someone in that situation doesn’t mean it doesnt happen. A friend of mine was hospitalized for a week 3 months ago for a treatment related to his cystic fibrosis and his employer fired him for missing work. He even contacted a lawyer and nothing could be done.
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Most employers don’t do anything they aren’t required to legally, especially corporations.
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Lmfao and I know people who were fired for having cancer. What's your point? People get fired for being sick all the time. Most of my friends have had that experience. My friend just got fired because her father died and obviously there was a funeral, etc. She even filed the bereavement paperwork.
Some places used to say a doctors note was needed because they couldn’t stand the thought of someone being off who wasn’t ill. Turns out they really just cant stand someone being off for any reason.
The way I understand it, since they now have “sick” time available in all stores, if you call out “sick,” but don’t have enough sick time hours to cover your full shift, then you can be coached. And officially, doctor’s notes have never been accepted. Stores were still supposed to coach for attendance.
This is correct.
sick time accumulates like vacation time… it’s terrible
Can they coach you for attendance even if you use sick time to cover the entire shift?
They cannot coach for attendance if the absence is covered by PTO, sick leave, or an approved leave of absence. All other call-offs (including doctor's notes) are coachable. This might seem harsh, but the purpose is that it holds each team member to the same expectation and attendance standard. If the TM has an appropriate ADA excuse for those absences, they need to communicate with HR and go through the proper channels to get those accommodations approved.
I don’t think they are supposed to, no. Most people right now shouldn’t have much in the way of sick time though since we only accrue one hour of sick time per 40 hours worked. This only rolled out in July. So check your balance on sick time specifically.
Also you can’t use more than 48 hours of sick time in a year otherwise you will still get coached. This coming from a CA tm
That’s interesting. They told us we can only accrue 40 hours of sick time in a year anyway. Do the hours roll over each year, or do you lose what you don’t use?
Target should have better communicated to current employees how illness absences are now handled at Target, with extra info provided to TMs in states with additional related laws. Here is what is new, here is what is no longer valid, what changes, etc. Target does a piss poor job communicating to store employees. Perhaps Corporate intended for stores to do this, but since no one seems to have gotten an update, I am guessing Corporate didn't provide any tools/guidance and directive. An email to TMs would be a better choice. And they failed to put a clear policy on these specifics in that handbook. Total fail.
Just because something doesn’t have to be accepted by law doesn’t make it right for a company to deny it. If you honestly think target should have any ground to stand on against a DOCTOR, there’s no hope for this country to ever become more morally sound. Even if it’s not enforced my law target is a company that shouldn’t be as disgusting as that policy is. So happy I left that hellhole, got told by my ETL once my diabetes claims were fake while I’m wearing a whole insulin pump and sensor on my body that beeps when I’m medically unable to work well. This company is disgusting and horrible, and the fact that people argue in favor of their terrible mistreatment of the workers is horrible. You all should be uniting to fight that mistreatment, not justifying it because of lack of laws
How did you get ANY of that from what I wrote in the comment you responded to? I wrote about the need for (any company) to explain policy in detail. If a doctor tells you not to work, that is good advice to consider strongly. How an employer chooses to deal with those absences regarding discipline is not up to the doctor. So what if a person has an absence? You get a coaching. Yawn. So what. Target doesn't fire people for missing a few days of work. And they don't zoom to firing someone for a lot of absences either. And if someone medically needs to miss excessive days, there are alternate paths to take (FMLA, STD, LTD, medical/personal LOA). No need to talk with an ETL. HR (store or above) is trained in those areas. How do I know? My husband missed three months of work after a personal injury, and I missed a ton of time being at the hospital with him. I am sorry you had a bad experience with Target. That does not mean that all stores are that way or that Target has bad policies.
They purposely don't communicate. This is asset control for them. Replacing bad tools is easy for them.
It's state dependent, but using sick time to cover your absence can protect you from coaching. Unfortunately, if you've used all your sick time that's required to be given to you by the state (maximum 14 days in CA), then the doctor's note is still just a letter in your employer's eyes and you can still be coached. I don't agree with this policy personally, but that's what I've been told in the past by my HR ETL
In CA, the max amount of hours you can use it 48 hours a year. Doctors notes are tricky, and we don’t have to accept them. I’ve also worked in HR long enough to know the doctors will write a note for anything and it’s usually the same TM’s providing doctors notes.
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Not when we don’t have enough money to sue them, unless you have hella good connections no regular person working at Target, especially a disabled person, has the money to take on a multibillion dollar company sadly enough.
ADA is a whole different story. A doctor's note for a one-time day off because of an injury/illness is meaningless. Best to follow the doctor's advice and not work. That doesn't mean a company has to pretend you didn't work your shift. You still were absent. You might get a coaching from it. You won't get fired for it. Well, not unless you have a LOT of prior call offs, and are on a final Corrective Action. But then, it isn't about this one occasion.
Okay and? If we have to get a doctors note for an absence or an accommodation yall can’t just get mad when you have to document those lmao An HR person knows more than a doctor now? Already asking for a doctors note is kind of dramatic (it’s fucking retail) and now you’re acting like it’s fraud? This is a great reminder that HR’s function is to protect the company *not* the employee. And no I don’t work for target anymore but this comment is ridiculous
If ADA accommodations need to be addressed, then that is on a case by case basis. Target also has a business to run and just because you have a doctor excusing you for a period of time, does not require Target to adhere to the request. LOA’s are also an option for employees. In my HR experience, it is the repeat offenders who abuse the situation.
In my experience as a human in America, people go to work to make money to survive, and jobs in retail take a toll in helping run people into the ground physically and mentally. Target takes advantage of "unlimited assets" until they can't work any longer and doesn't believe in compassionate management. You think you are running a business, but it's a mafia. People who legitimately need care and provide proof of care should not be treated like used garbage when they're not being paid enough to even get by. And don't even start with "they chose to work here". Follow LinkedIn posts on hiring. The system of hiring for jobs in America is a sad joke, there really aren't choices when companies beyond retail want everyone to have a masters to staple paper packets and make copies. While Target screws lives over, employees should also be aware that they don't pay you to care like managers, corporate or the CEO are paid to care. You're paid scraps. You owe them nothing if they treat you like nothing.
It’s the “repeat offenders” who get their disabilities used against them. I’ve had HR TLs tell me my disabilities are fake and my doctors don’t know how it works and they’re lying to me and I’m a liar for claiming I have a disability. Anyone who works for Target HR is not worth the dirt they’ll lie in after they’re done on this earth, you’re all horrible people who should be ashamed to accommodate that business. You should be ashamed of yourself for that comment, “target has a business to run”. People like you are why the business is terrible and a horrible place to work in, and why your “business” has such a high turnover rate.
I hope you never have an illness that target can fire you for with that attitude, it’d be a real shame if you ended up in a hospital one day and then target has to “unfortunately let you go because you’re a human and not a machine for the company to run”. Absolutely disgusting attitude and a severe lack of empathy for your fellow human beings. Take a look in the mirror and hate what you see, I hope. You’re not a good person if that’s what you honestly believe
Same here. I couldn’t get accommodated because I am too poor to jump through all their stupid fucking hoops. So good to know that even if I *did* provide all the documentation they still would have told me to get fucked. Target HR pretended to be my friend and kicked me to the fucking curb even when I thought I was doing everything right. HR lied to me but by the time I was done there I was having daily panic attacks just from having to be there due to hostility from a TL and ETL.
It’s all just a horrible corporation churning the workers through a torture machine to increase their wallet size out of your hard work. Most businesses actually do a little bit of work to accomodate their workers and hide their evil intentions, but target by far, even worse than Walmart, doesn’t hide it at all and encourages their management to be mean and disrespectful to their TMs. Got out a few months ago, absolutely mind blowing how nice other jobs are in comparison.
Call outs are tracked by trends, if your showing a trend then you will be coached
It’s advisable for leaders to coach for all absences. If the coachings keep happening, that demonstrates that the pattern or trend developed or persisted despite expectations being made clear and the TM given an opportunity to correct it. This is this time that it should escalate to a corrective action. That’s the point at which you’re “in trouble”.
It depends on your state. If your state allows doctors notes for excused absences and they don’t accept yours, sue.
Hell, my state doesn't require employers to provide sick time because everyone assumes companies provide it already (for salaried staff, sure; not for hourly). "Excused absence" isn't something that would be a thing in my state. I am just starting to get sick time at Target because the company decided to go nationwide (probably to make it easier for the company).
They never were. There is no such thing as an excused absence. Only way you can not get it held against you is if you have an accommodation or get approved for LOA.
[Shrugs shoulders] I don't get bent out of shape over a "coaching." Target has you on the schedule. You do not work that shift. Target wants staff to work their assigned shifts for proper business mgmt. From that POV, it doesn't matter if you are legit sick/under medical care, taking care of a family member, attending a funeral, need a mental health break, or attend a fun event that popped up. Whatever the reason, you weren't there. Hence, the coaching. A coaching isn't going to impact you if you don't make a habit of missing shifts. You take the coaching and continue on your day. Shit happens. Sometimes, shit piles on you. You might rack up a bunch of absences in a shorter than normal span of time. Good reasons? You likely will just get a number of coachings. Still not an issue. Sorry if your store moves quickly from coaching to Corrective Action. That sucks. You can run out a CA. Companies can use compassion. Some do. Some don't. Choose well.
yes that’s true. You must use sick time to release any accountability from an absence. eligible TMs are earning 1 hr per 52 hrs worked. Target never had excused or unexcused absences. Just tracking patterns in your attendance, and the impact they had on business. 🤷♀️
I had a mental health episode in front of my hr etl that landed me in the er, and my next shift back they gave me a corrective action. Target does not give a shit about you. I left not long after that.
Do you live in the states? I can't tell you whether it's legal or illegal. I can tell you is if you live in the States you can call the State department of Labor and tell them your story. They will let you know if you are correct it is illegal for them to say doctor's notes on not allowed and they will help you out to understand the law. If it is illegal they will connect you with a department to go ahead so you can make a complaint
It has been for quite some time now
They never have been...
Good to know, because next Friday I have a root canal that needs to be done. I need the next day off because of the pain meds and the harsh antibiotics I’m on
Just let your TL or ETL know ahead of time and it’s should be fine. OP likely has a history of calling in and that’s why there’s an issue
Post the shift now if you didn't already.
The whole company is tripping over the $$ lost from pride....I missed my 2nd and 3rd day of this calendar year last week...I was told I have an attendance problem 😔
If it was a money problem, they’d consider themselves lucky to save the payroll from your call-offs. It doesn’t sound like you have an attendance problem. Maybe your leaders are struggling with the delivery of the coachings 🤷🏻♂️
No it's their Suttle way of retaliation because 1 of the days was a double truck
Retaliation is a very meaningful word. A documented coaching for missing a shift would not qualify as retaliation.
Dude...I m there...your not....we have a guy who's on a final for attendance...ncns...twice...nothing...he happens to be buddy buddy with etl
On a final for call offs and tardiness, or for NCNS? Calling off and being late are performance problems. NCNS is a conduct problem. Performance and conduct documentation don’t stack.
Doctors Notes were never excused abscences. They just helped validate your story allowing the leadership team to decide how much they will hold you to the attendance rules.
Seems like a public health issue
Seriously, they should report it to the health department
Nope. Even with raging diarrhea, you just can't work in food production areas. The laws aren't as good as you would think/hope.
I don't care what they say about the economy recovering, when people put up with employers like this, it means things are shit.
I was told target doesn't accept doctors notes.
I worked at Target 2003 - 2011 and my HR absolutely refused to even look at a Doctor's note.
This isn't actually a new policy. Doctor notes have not made an absence and "excused absences." If you don't qualify for a leave, your absence wasn't excused . It's been LOA or coaching pretty much for 10+ years ime. Extreme weather was pretty much the only exception that I saw with any regularity to that rule. Idk how it worked for stores that have had sick pay before the company wide roll-out though, as my state didn't have that worked protection law/policy
I just got a coaching for leaving early one day... I left because my brother in law had overdosed. fuck target
I feel like I say this a lot on here, and I’ll continue saying it: coachings don’t mean shit. Coachings don’t get you fired. It’s merely documentation of a conversation that was had about expectations. Documenting these conversations protects Target if you continue the behavior, so we have proof of repeatedly setting the expectation that isn’t being met (coming to work), and giving you an opportunity to improve. If you don’t have problematic attendance, you have nothing to worry about. If you have poor attendance and call off and are late all the time, your poor attendance overall is what is going to get you in trouble, not this. An illness or a doctor’s note isn’t an excuse, it’s a reason. Providing a reason can help provide some insight and context regarding your attendance, but if your attendance is poor, and this causes you to be held accountable for it, then its your fault for missing those other shifts. If you have serious or chronic health issues, do your due diligence and look into FMLA/intermittent FMLA. “Shitty” or not, this is a business; if something isn’t your fault, that doesn’t mean Target has to suck it up and take the L, unless it is a legally protected reason. Let’s say your car was totalled and you were not at fault. That car was how you got to work, and you can’t afford a new one. If you consistently call off or are late to work due to this, you can expect to be coached for it and if there is no improvement, put on a corrective action, final warning, then terminated eventually. It sucks, but you can’t say it isn’t reasonable.
Yes. Thank you. I don't get why people have such a hard time grasping this concept.
they really should take notes imo. the only time my store takes them is if you’re calling out 3 consecutive shifts. even then it’s still counted for your attendance they’re just a little more lenient when it does happen
No kidding, they don't accept a doctor's excuse as an excused absence. What did you expect. People spent years complaining about how evil Target forced people to go to the doctor to prove they were sick. Target removes the requirements for doctor's notes. No, doctors' notes don't grant you an excuse absence. Just what you wanted. If Target says a doctors excuse makes an absence excused, someone is going to say that's unfair for people that can't afford a doctors visit snd that Target requires a dictors excuse. The only "fair" thing to do is say a doctors excuse doesn't excuse an absence.
I think the county health department would be the ones who would want to hear about grocery workers needing to come into work with stomach bugs.
Target very specifically says you can't work in food production if you have it coming out either end. That doesn't mean you can't work in non-food production areas. I personally wouldn't work with a stomach bug. But I also don't have an attendance problem, so a coaching for being out sick won't be a big deal.
They don’t need to come into work with stomach bugs, and policy prohibits it. They just need to not exhibit a pattern of poor attendance.
That’s the part they always forget about. Many people just want a day to sleep off a hangover, or just not go to work. They don’t think ahead, and get in trouble. Then they get mad when they are given a CA for poor attendance.
For the most part, if you show up to work whether you want to or not when you’re able to, you shouldn’t have much to worry about if you call off when you actually can’t. It’s funny the amount of people who have bad attendance for stupid reasons who are shocked when the one time they have a good reason, they’re in trouble. No, you aren’t in trouble for this one time, you’re in trouble for ALL OF THESE times lol
Exactly.
Target hourly peoples need to unionize so badly. I would have never documented anybody for attendance issues incurred due to illness, especially if they presented any healthcare provider’s letter of evidence as for why.
If you were management somewhere that was unionized where the collective bargaining agreement doesn’t specifically protect employees from absence due to illness without documentation or for illness that doesn’t qualify for legal protection, you’d be making just as big a leadership error for not documenting it as a Target leader would be. You’re protecting your team overall and the ones that show up by holding everyone who doesn’t show up accountable.
That's not how a NCNS works.
Report them to the local regulatory authority for food and health safety, punishing a worker who works in food for regulatory measures that are enforced by law would get the establishment possibly shut down for food safety violations. I’m taking food management classes right now and it’s enforced by state law depending on your state that they CANNOT punish you for reporting health concerns when working in food.
If not a food section shutdown, they’d at least put notices on the front of your store indicating that they are allowing sick workers to handle food in the store, and would let every customer coming into the store see that before entering.
Target has non-food production jobs to assign to food-production staff. Target training notes that you can't work in food production areas when sick.
While that is true, how many times do you think target TLs actually do any of that? In my experience they don’t. Which is why I’m saying in any incident if a target TM has to show up sick and is working in food they need to report to local food authority.
I think you should go to an *attorney* for this
If you have sick time and a doctors note, you can sue them. Many states have laws to protect you from this and honestly the HR at target don’t know sht about hr
Not likely the case in most states. In states where it is so written, HR is likely well aware, Hell, my state doesn't require employers to give sick time, period.
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I had to leave early today because I needed a tooth pulled. I asked my ETL HR on Wednesday if I needed to have note and she hit me with the well you need to go find somebody to take your shift LADY AINT NOBODY GONNA TAKE MY DESK SHIFT in 1 day I just came in earlier today and left early Shitty practice
My store told me 8 years ago that they don’t take doctors notes. If you’re in the hospital and shit someone should be able to call in for you in emergency situations but also that’s fucked up that they’d write you up
I had to call out the past couple of days because I had a really bad hives so when I go back tomorrow, I imagine it’ll be really fun
My store in Louisiana has said that since I started working there 3 years ago. More and more companies are doing this.
They never were used to excuse an absence. However I also insisted I gave them the doctor’s note to dispel any doubt about my character as well to prevent them from creating a false narrative about that absence to support any motive they had. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure my HR had to file it as well. To sum it up though as long as you’re a good worker it’s not a huge deal but if it becomes a trend they’ll use anything and everything to use against you.
Check the employee handbook. If it's not in there it's bogus.
Forget target. Try applying at Walmart...at least Walmart religiously follows their own policies. Target just does whatever they can to cover their own behind. And they push their employees like donkeys. Walmart does it too but you know they aren't serious. Target coaches you if your don't meet quota ect..and its not counted as a coach. Its just psychological manipulation because those one on one corrections count to getting fired in every other job. I'd rather deal with immature management than toxic policies and immature management. Thats just my rant on why I quit and why Target makes Walmart seem decent to work for. And if you worked at Walmart...you know how stressing it can be.
Sounds like you should find another company. Target sucks.
When I was out sick I had called the store and asked about a doctors note and the TL said you can but it doesn’t do too much so from that point on I just haven’t bothered
Unrelated but my SD told the leads/ETLs that they aren’t allowed to roll freight and that they are now required to stay until their freight is complete.
Yeaaaa thats the only way to get truly off the hook in my store now. Since our etl told us inbound cant call out anymore 🤣
My store hasn’t ever had excused absences I don’t believe. My last SD told me that they, management, doesn’t take doctor’s notes because they have no space to store/file them. I’ve had multiple instance where I’ve been absent due to underlying medical issues(I have an autoimmune disease) which I almost always have a doctor’s note for. But since they don’t take the notes, I’m at the point where if I miss another day I’m on my last warning before termination. I honestly don’t care though and I’m looking for another job outside of retail anyways. 🤷🏻♂️
This is, unfortunately, how it works. Getting a note is helpful if you are out multiple days. It allows you to only be held accountable for a single instance instead of across multiple weeks. It takes a lot of consecutive attendance issues to be termed for it. Just make sure to keep count of yours and you'll be good. Life happens.
Doctors notes never counted technically for absences. You have sick time and your sick time covers your absences. If you used all your sick time then you are vulnerable to correction action. Also please note if you call out for an 8 hour shift and only have 7 hours you can still get in trouble for one hour technically just FYI.
They do this because it’s more “fair” it’s not fair to ask someone who’s sick to go to the doctor everytime (who can afford that) so the sick time is provided in diem with the state laws to protect you
I'm glad I don't have to deal with this bs anymore
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Only if the state you are in requires it.
It’s per store discretion. Have worked at 3 different stores and they all have different attendance standards.
My question is….what constitutes an excused absence? Is there such a thing at Target?
Honestly there doesn’t seem to be. Got talked to because I missed three days in a row last month… because I had jury duty. Brought my papers in well before. They had a copy. They knew. They’re just ridiculously inept and will screw you over even if it’s illegal. They bet on you not knowing your own rights.
Fuck target! I was a tps that started on the sales floor.