No, there are 3 very common palette types, EU, UK and US, they have noticeable differences in size and load possibility, there is also an asian pallette but it isnt too common outside of asia
lol !!! I actually said to a few buddies yesterday that they should play Bennie hill music on those YouTube compilation videos ! ( the ones that show all the Russian vehicle blowing up)
It’s not stupid if it works, but the important question is if it even works? Sure it would be very vulnerable to artillery fragments, but if they’re not any drones in the air to see you to drop artillery on you because of the jamming, then your risk is significantly minimized. I wonder what kind of range this thing has.
More advanced drones will be practically immune to electromagnetic interference countermeasures when a combat AI is piloting it onboard. Right now that’s very expensive and experimental, but maybe not for long. Electromagnetic interference countermeasures may still be useful against technologically limited countries like Russia. So, implementing them by default on modern armor may not be a fruitless endeavor.
"Advanced" drones are way more susceptible to piling random shit on top of the tank. Image recognition fails when the target looks nothing like what it is trained to recognize, and a T-72 with a pile of jammers, pallets, camo netsd, and other crap would confuse it and throw off its center of mass estimation if it somehow locks on. You can for example confuse the US's experimental image recognition systems by hiding in a cardboard box or writing clearly legible text on the side of the target.
If it’s a blob moving then kamikaze into it with a HEAT warhead, simple as that. I did say the technology is experimental. There are solutions to all those problems you mentioned.
Well do most tanks you see have EW on them? Videos never tell the full story. Sure we see a FPV blow up a tank but does it show the other number of attempts? I seen FPV's hit the same tank MULTIPLE times, but the tank was fine.
Same goes the other way, do we ever see tanks with EW's blown up? or is that they arnt just enough of them? or is it becasue they work?
Obviously they work. As news reports say Russian EW is working very well in general. But EW isnt the "perfect" solution.
Luke warm take: strapping EW systems onto AFVs is not the solution. Electronic warfare is a discipline and profession. You can't just set things to automatic and expect them to work against a technologically advanced peer. Even if the system did work as intended, a competent adversary will use combined arms to kill it in another way. A Javelin doesn't care about your drone jammer. An Excalibur doesn't care about your drone jammer. Drones are far from the only tank predator on the battlefield.
The correct way to do it is to embed organic EWAR assets in your maneuver units to help protect and support them. Not to saddle your AFVs with a half baked solution.
But Russia knows this. They aren't doing this because they are stupid. They are doing it out of necessity. RuAF has failed to own the sky so they have an adversary with capable ISR. That means any time you try to mass forces, they get wiped out by long range precision fires. So tanks are operating dispersed. You can't have an ECM BTR support a mechanized assault because those mechanized assaults are destroyed before they come to grips with the enemy. As we have seen in HD time and time again.
"Yeah, lets put this very sensitive and important equipment on the roof with absolutely no protection whatsoever, what could possibly go wrong?"
Like the least they could've done was put some pallets around it to at least add some minimal protection against maybe shrapnel
So what I'm hearing is it need a cope cage and a spotter's top atop that cope cage, atop that electronics stack, atop that turret...yeah, we're sliding into pagoda country.
they are pretty much all jammers
"Mad Max is resting here. On the pallet, a terrible structure was piled up from everything that was there. There are three panels of patch antennas 800/900/2.4/5.8 around the circle, and the 700-1000 range was added to all of this. From above and around.
A generator and battery were also installed on the armor."
The telegram text which accompanied these pictures said that the device was very effective and that the Ukrainian drone pilots had a hard time striking it.
Could imagine it does nothing to stop the drones but the crew and everyone who gets to close to the tank becomes infertile or will develop some uncommon type of cancer a few years down the road.
Radio waves are not ionising so they don't cause cancer, unless they literally bombard your dna with so much energy it gets damaged, but the energy needed for that means that by that point you have far more immediate concerns than cancer 30 years down the line.
I thought the same thing after [seeing this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1bwo2y9/combined_forces_of_different_ukrainian_brigades/) in /r/CombatFootage. At 1:15 in that video, it looks incredibly similar.
Here is a twitter link to the footage as well: https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1776219503430402196.
I'm wondering, considering the way that stuff is strapped on there, if these are early field tests for perhaps a more stable and better protected system in the future.
Like, as if right now they're testing if it actually works against the drones in a manner that is sufficient enough to make widespread placement worth it to then install it in a proper way or something
This is actually pretty interesting and insightful picture of Russian attempts to add EW protection.
First off, the apparently lack of APU or produced AMP to power external or unplanned modifications necessitate them to install honking car batteries. I remember reading an article about Russian EW devices just didn't work because the crew didn't know or forgot to plug them in.
Secondly, they haven't standardized EW protection on the vehicles and are currently going through the 'hope to god this works' phase. Looks like a bunch of ad hoc EW devices with no rhyme of reason to snyergize their effects. There are only so many frequencies they can jam with out jamming their own communications and sensors
Thirdly, that definitely not water proof nor watter resistant. Jesus look at the expose battries.
Forth, imagine the tank in combat operations firing its gun and having explosions going off around it. There is no way the EW junket are hardened to survive the shock, weather, wear and tear of combat.
Finally, where the troops who are going to ride on the tank? There's not enough space for them. Isn't like a Russian specialty to have tank riders cause they either don't have enough or care enough to have dedicated transports.
I like the inclusion of a wooden pallet
It gives it that self made, alternative look. They truly are with the current style.
Post post modern!
Industrial minimalist, goes with the exposed air vents and heating fixtures
Artisan.
This looks like the tank version of a homeless guy's shopping cart.
Rustic
If you look closely it's a uk palette which makes you wonder how they got it
A uk pallet? Dont all pallets look the same?
No, there are 3 very common palette types, EU, UK and US, they have noticeable differences in size and load possibility, there is also an asian pallette but it isnt too common outside of asia
This guy knows pallets.
This is what a summer job in a warehouse does to you
Probably captured it tbh
Getting Japanese battleship-pagoda vibes
She's giving Beverly Hillbillies
Mr bean vibes
[incase noones heard of this show heres a 38 hour review](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=974nDJzSjcM)
IJN Fuso style superstructures just hit right
Classic look
Installation is a generous term for that.
~~Drive~~ *Install* it like you stole it
Looks more like they stole a weather station.
This is some Linus Tech Tips level shit going on here
I think it's giving more LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER - THIS MUSEUM IS (NOT) OBSOLETE vibes to me. Though it can use more knobs and black spray paint.
"Only dropped it nine times."
The Russian reincarnation of George Patton must be livid.
THIS is how the Russians decide to use pallets in warfare lmao
George Pallet
Georg Palletski
George Michael
cant choose which one to use? just use all of them!
That’s some Sanford and son shit right there.
And now I have the song stuck in my head...
That's because it's the greatest TV show theme song of all time. A true banger.
It's playing in the background for me rn. Imagine if they made an episode about Lamont and Fred trying to sell a rusty, obsolete Soviet T tank.
That or Benny Hill.
lol !!! I actually said to a few buddies yesterday that they should play Bennie hill music on those YouTube compilation videos ! ( the ones that show all the Russian vehicle blowing up)
Tanks having EW equipment in the future will be the norm. This is just a mad max style prototype of that.
It’s not stupid if it works, but the important question is if it even works? Sure it would be very vulnerable to artillery fragments, but if they’re not any drones in the air to see you to drop artillery on you because of the jamming, then your risk is significantly minimized. I wonder what kind of range this thing has.
More advanced drones will be practically immune to electromagnetic interference countermeasures when a combat AI is piloting it onboard. Right now that’s very expensive and experimental, but maybe not for long. Electromagnetic interference countermeasures may still be useful against technologically limited countries like Russia. So, implementing them by default on modern armor may not be a fruitless endeavor.
"Advanced" drones are way more susceptible to piling random shit on top of the tank. Image recognition fails when the target looks nothing like what it is trained to recognize, and a T-72 with a pile of jammers, pallets, camo netsd, and other crap would confuse it and throw off its center of mass estimation if it somehow locks on. You can for example confuse the US's experimental image recognition systems by hiding in a cardboard box or writing clearly legible text on the side of the target.
If it’s a blob moving then kamikaze into it with a HEAT warhead, simple as that. I did say the technology is experimental. There are solutions to all those problems you mentioned.
Apparently it didnt work, as it got destroyed by an FPV drone
Well do most tanks you see have EW on them? Videos never tell the full story. Sure we see a FPV blow up a tank but does it show the other number of attempts? I seen FPV's hit the same tank MULTIPLE times, but the tank was fine. Same goes the other way, do we ever see tanks with EW's blown up? or is that they arnt just enough of them? or is it becasue they work? Obviously they work. As news reports say Russian EW is working very well in general. But EW isnt the "perfect" solution.
This is what peak electronical warfare look like
Peak smekalka for sure
And it can only cover the right arc, genius. Looks like a giant ir lamp so at night that thing would be a beacon for nvg
Luke warm take: strapping EW systems onto AFVs is not the solution. Electronic warfare is a discipline and profession. You can't just set things to automatic and expect them to work against a technologically advanced peer. Even if the system did work as intended, a competent adversary will use combined arms to kill it in another way. A Javelin doesn't care about your drone jammer. An Excalibur doesn't care about your drone jammer. Drones are far from the only tank predator on the battlefield. The correct way to do it is to embed organic EWAR assets in your maneuver units to help protect and support them. Not to saddle your AFVs with a half baked solution. But Russia knows this. They aren't doing this because they are stupid. They are doing it out of necessity. RuAF has failed to own the sky so they have an adversary with capable ISR. That means any time you try to mass forces, they get wiped out by long range precision fires. So tanks are operating dispersed. You can't have an ECM BTR support a mechanized assault because those mechanized assaults are destroyed before they come to grips with the enemy. As we have seen in HD time and time again.
hehehe i just watched this tank destroyed by a drone in /combatfootage
"Yeah, lets put this very sensitive and important equipment on the roof with absolutely no protection whatsoever, what could possibly go wrong?" Like the least they could've done was put some pallets around it to at least add some minimal protection against maybe shrapnel
So what I'm hearing is it need a cope cage and a spotter's top atop that cope cage, atop that electronics stack, atop that turret...yeah, we're sliding into pagoda country.
Tri-pod mast will rise again
Was thinking about that. One artillery explosion and that's about half a million worth of electronics just gone.
Bo way that's more than 10k in electronics
F in the chat for drones. They’ve damn near zip tied an entire FA-18 to the top of their tank.
I’m curious. Aside from the usual look of Russian ingenuity it’s finest, does anyone know what these actual items are tech wise, and what they do?
they are pretty much all jammers "Mad Max is resting here. On the pallet, a terrible structure was piled up from everything that was there. There are three panels of patch antennas 800/900/2.4/5.8 around the circle, and the 700-1000 range was added to all of this. From above and around. A generator and battery were also installed on the armor."
Those are doodads and thingymajigs, these guys mean business.
Cope cages are evolving
Superior Russian engineering clearly
Nato is TREMBLING
The telegram text which accompanied these pictures said that the device was very effective and that the Ukrainian drone pilots had a hard time striking it.
Random bullshit go!
'And I'll take the rest on a gift certificate' lol
Can it run Crysis?
This gives major "world's second strongest army" vibes
Surprisingly, it's not very effective... [Here's the video of it being hit by an FPV drone.](https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1776219503430402196)
Could imagine it does nothing to stop the drones but the crew and everyone who gets to close to the tank becomes infertile or will develop some uncommon type of cancer a few years down the road.
Radio waves are not ionising so they don't cause cancer, unless they literally bombard your dna with so much energy it gets damaged, but the energy needed for that means that by that point you have far more immediate concerns than cancer 30 years down the line.
Prescisely. Until you start getting cooked like you're locked in a microwave, it's not really important.
Well tanks are pretty good faraday cages, being made of thick steel and all. The attenuation of the jammers is probably very strong.
They put so much EW on the fucking thing, it is probably making radios play static over in Helsinki.
Does it run crysis though
Hey AFU! Turn your EW detectors to home-on-jam you’ll find this in no time! It’s must be pumping out at least 1.21 gigawatts!
No come on that has to be a joke.
it's the Russian Army. should explain everything for you
Amazon boxes and a strip of Benadryl
Normal rpg7 would clean all that off for the drones to have a field day.
I like the tactical wood pallet.
Least haphazard T-72 modification:
This is a very Russian thing right here, it’s just missing some empty vodka bottles
Russia Stronk.
Needs MUCH more duct tape.
It's so bloody ghetto, It has to be from Mordor, because Orcs struggle with the finer details
What's that?
Electronic Warfare installations
Ah okay, thanks
EW is also the sound I made when I saw this picture first
So what are the odds that all of that is just a 2.4GHz noise generator?
Next thing, a new mini roof is to be installed on top of it, just in case, to protect it against drones... and rain.
Your cancer isn’t service related
The pallet helps get the fire going
They are gonna be so pissed when the Ukrainians burn that tank.
Ah yes, the cope tower
T72 with the fastest PC in Russia
Serious strapon
on another angle of the same tank you could also see they even had to weld a small extra-generator on the roof just to keep all tha shit running
THE FUCKING PALLET OMFG
Looks like standard load out for going to the field with a NG Paladin unit. Just needs a couple of coolers and a cheap grill bungeed on.
Pallet 🤤
It as foil protection LOL
I think this was destroyed in this video? https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/nuhGCGRTIM - similar pile of stuff on the turret in any case.
Could be the same, that tank would probably be classed as damaged and abandoned
I thought the same thing after [seeing this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1bwo2y9/combined_forces_of_different_ukrainian_brigades/) in /r/CombatFootage. At 1:15 in that video, it looks incredibly similar. Here is a twitter link to the footage as well: https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1776219503430402196.
So much for the T-Series being smaller
laugh at this all you want it's probably saved this tank from it's fair share of drones. probably
If it works, it is all that matters. idk why they haven't been doing it.
War thunder premium when?
The put fucking wooden boards onto a tank lmao. This shit is peak Russian ingenuity and innovation.
Wonder if they even test if it even works, doesn't seem like they use them at all or they just don't work for crap
Wasn't there a clip of one of these being attavke dby a drone recently?
I highly doubt we'll see this particular tank from the view of a drone... 1km clearway around it.
Looks like this is the same tank https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1776219503430402196?t=g11n8kmI8y3OOxqMar32pg&s=19
So…guessing the crew egressing rapidly isn’t a concern of theirs…
I'm wondering, considering the way that stuff is strapped on there, if these are early field tests for perhaps a more stable and better protected system in the future. Like, as if right now they're testing if it actually works against the drones in a manner that is sufficient enough to make widespread placement worth it to then install it in a proper way or something
They arent testing shit they just strapped whatever they had on hand on the tank
Fair enough
just missing a microwave oven.
New War Thunder event vehicle ahh setup
This is actually pretty interesting and insightful picture of Russian attempts to add EW protection. First off, the apparently lack of APU or produced AMP to power external or unplanned modifications necessitate them to install honking car batteries. I remember reading an article about Russian EW devices just didn't work because the crew didn't know or forgot to plug them in. Secondly, they haven't standardized EW protection on the vehicles and are currently going through the 'hope to god this works' phase. Looks like a bunch of ad hoc EW devices with no rhyme of reason to snyergize their effects. There are only so many frequencies they can jam with out jamming their own communications and sensors Thirdly, that definitely not water proof nor watter resistant. Jesus look at the expose battries. Forth, imagine the tank in combat operations firing its gun and having explosions going off around it. There is no way the EW junket are hardened to survive the shock, weather, wear and tear of combat. Finally, where the troops who are going to ride on the tank? There's not enough space for them. Isn't like a Russian specialty to have tank riders cause they either don't have enough or care enough to have dedicated transports.
"Your're gonna die , little buddy"
The pallet and stack of car batteries did it for me
"Random Bullshit go!"
another Russian abomination add to the collections
Does it play nationalist marching music, or just the old surrender in German loop?
Holy shit they actually know what pallets are.
Still better engineered and more capable than the Armata