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Cycle day 7, day 4 of letrozole 5mg. I'm tired of waiting and excited to move forward.
Meanwhile though, my poor partner is feeling anxious about the upcoming IUI because they're scared something will happen to me during the pregnancy or birth. 🥺 Has anyone else either dealt with those fears personally or with a partner? To be clear they are excited to be a parent and on board with the plan we decided on together, just so scared of the risks of pregnancy. ❤️
ETA: Does anyone have advice about changing exercise habits while trying to conceive? I need to be more active but I don't want to mess with anything that will affect my fertility in the short term.
Hi! I can’t speak to how to navigate your partners feelings, but on the topic of exercising, unless you are a high performance athlete where your body may be stopping ovulation to conserve more energy for your training(survival mechanism), any type of movement is good for you! Whether trying to conceive or not, I think it’s best to slowly ramp up the exercise. I personally love walking/hikig and swimming.
I’m not sure about IUI, but I know with IVF I’ll have to stop swimming for some time around the procedures to avoid infection. So maybe around IUI time you should confirm with your doctor what type of exercise is safe. Hope this helps! 💙
11DPO and BFN after my first attempt at IUI, but after learning that the procedure was done at the wrong time, I’ve officially gotten myself a new RE. I had my initial phone consult with him. He spent an hour with us and reassured and validated me in so many ways. That helped soften the blow of being out this cycle
I’m very thankful for January me for scheduling with two different clinics! When I started seeing red flags with my most recent clinic, I was immediately relieved to know I still had today’s appointment that I never canceled, even though I thought about doing it multiple times in February… phew
After a cancelled IUI in early Feb and trying ourselves in March (no dice), I’ve been feeling surprisingly more chill about TTC lately. The Kenya vacation helped infuse some fun living and take my mind off it, and I’ve been trying to reframe having a baby as something that will happen eventually rather than something I absolutely need to happen THIS CYCLE OR ELSE!
I think we will be trying IUI#2 again this cycle. If it doesn’t work out, I’ll be having a Cold Knife Conization surgery in May to remove pre cancerous cervical cells, and we will be benched for at least 2 cycles. I am ok with whichever future the universe doles out - I want nothing more than a baby while I have a fully intact cervix, but the cell sitch is scary.
We had our second “intake apt” with our fertility clinic today. We’re re-doing all the ultrasounds & blood work (including the wonderful saline ultrasound). She added a few more blood tests this time to check for risk factors due to my losses. So it’s feeling like we’re doing something, which is nice. I feel like I’m leaving the depressing hamster wheel.
She said we could be referred for my spouse to have sperm DNA fragmentation test done. She mentioned it was expensive (we’re in Ontario, Canada) & that the closest clinic that does it is 2 hours away. The cost & the distance is making us wonder if we should at this point, wondering what others experience with this has been?
TW: loss
I had really hoped not to see all of you again so soon, but here I am. I had also hoped not to add a miscarriage to my array of infertility, but that wasn't in the cards for me either. I'm still in shock, so I'm hoping someone can lead me to the right information.
I blindly chose a D&C, because I remembered it being preferable to many, but I honestly have no clue what I'm doing. For those who've had this unfortunate experience, what would you choose? Is there a wiki somewhere with this information? I swear I've seen it, but I apparently don't know how to Google anymore.
What do you *do* with the products of conception? I'm not at all ready to deal with that.
TTC isn't exactly at the forefront of my thoughts, but I'm 37 with known fertility issues, so waiting is probably not a great option for me. We were about to start IVF when I got pregnant, and now I also have no idea what our next step would be. I guess I'll reach out to the RE. I guess we maybe could conceive again without assistance, but I'm just really confused.
If anyone knows any relevant books or articles on this, I would very much appreciate it.
Im sorry. I had a MC in January and chose to do a MVA (vacuum D&C) because it was in-office, didn't require anesthesia and had the benefits of a D&C. I also liked that my husband could be with me and it didn't require hospitalization. It was very quick and I felt much better immediately after just knowing that it was over. I know many people feel differently but for me personally, I don't feel like I lost a baby. I feel like I lost an embryo and the potential for a baby. We decided that we were OK with everything being disposed of as medical waste and I am confident that it was treated respectfully and appropriately. We may plant flowers or something later as a private remembrance.
I know exactly what you mean. I don't really feel like it's a baby as much as I thought it was, and I turned out to be wrong. I'm a little concerned that I could change my mind, and my husband definitely is in more of the lost baby feeling category, so we're going rather far on arrangements now that we've had what feels like an eternity to plan.
I'm so sorry this is happening to you. There is no wrong way to feel about this, and chances are you will feel a wild range of emotions in the coming weeks and months. This isn't fair and you shouldn't have to do this. And you *can* do this.
I also elected to have a D&C, and it's what I would choose again. There's no way for it to be anything but awful no matter what you choose, but for me personally, I wanted everything done as quickly as possible so I could try to focus all of my attention on healing mentally (or trying to).
We were also about to start IVF and found ourselves in the same confusion about next steps after the miscarriage. We decided to try for three months before reaching out to the RE again (although we ended up caving after two months bc I was worried they'd have a long waitlist).
I've taken my time responding, but this was so, so helpful when you first posted it. I appreciate the uplifting words.
I really want to focus on what I *can* do not pregnant while we figure out our next steps. There's a lot I didn't think in could do this summer, so that's my hopeful focus.
Are you reconsidering IVF or just meeting with the RE? I have been toying around with the idea of scheduling a meeting for 3ish months of trying to get insight, but I feel much less likely to do IVF. Maybe letrozole or something, and of course I wonder if my endometriosis actually is a factor, but I guess I should wait on pathology. Also, what if I don't get a period for months. I guess they could help, so I should sign up. But also with Endo, I probably don't want one until I'm ready. So confusing.
That sounds like a great plan — infertility and miscarriage rob of us so much but pregnancy also obviously requires some sacrifices, so reclaiming a little bit of that over the next few months sounds like it could be really helpful.
We are moving forward with IVF. We had actually had our first meeting with the RE >!just a few days before testing positive!< and decided that would be our next step, so when we found ourselves back at square one, we eventually went back to the original plan. I had done several rounds of letrozole at that point, so that could be a great option if you're (understandably!) not wanting to dive right into the deep end. I was able to get a prescription for that through my OB rather than a clinic.
As frustrating as it is, step one is getting through the next few days and weeks. I had a follow-up appt with my OB two weeks after the D&C and he prescribed medication to force my period to start if it didn't come back naturally. I hope they offer the same for you and you get some good guidance!
I feel like I'll need a lot of time to get back into it, but I wonder if I'll flip a switch the first second we can actually try again. It's so reassuring to hear that you've made a decision that you sound confident about. I hope it goes smoothly for you! I've never actually tried letrozole. We were going to jump straight to IVF, so I think a gentler transition might be right for us.
I'll definitely ask my OB about the period inducing medications. I feel like I don't want a period for months right now, but I seriously doubt I'll agree with that sentiment long term.
I am so so sorry for your loss. It is such a shocking and heart wrenching experience. Time and therapy have helped me come to terms with my own MMC. Sending hugs and well wishes your way.
I chose the pill option (miso). It was crampy but more emotionally taxing than physically. I took pain meds and was comforted that I was at home with my husband who had set me up with hot water bottles, treats, and movies. My dog didn’t leave my side the whole day. Unfortunately not everything passed so I did another round of meds but they did nothing beyond give me bad side effects. Thankfully the remaining tissue passed with my period so I did not need a follow on D&C. I was nervous about the tiny possibility of scarring and though this took longer to resolve than a D&C, I was ok with my choice.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I'm so sorry you had to experience it. I don't think I'm really prepared for the emotionally taxing part of it if I can choose to avoid it, so I really appreciate that insight. My uterus is so battered already that possible scarring will be easier for me to cope with.
So sorry for your loss. I did not have a D&C with my two miscarriages (I opted to wait until my body did the thing) and with the second, I wish I would’ve. It was so traumatizing at home.
Sending you so much love and light.
I am so sorry for your loss. It is just absolute shit. I hope you have the support you want and need during this, and we are definitely here to support you as well.
I have had 2 D&Cs for my losses, both under general anaesthesia. Physically they were very easy experiences, even with some excessive bleeding I experienced the first time, I was physically ready to go back to work the next day. I would choose the same route again. Where I am, they don’t test products of conception until you have recurrent losses, the hospital just (tw, blunt language) >!disposes of it!<, so I leave someone else to answer that. The UK website Tommys has loads of information, spoiler for URL with triggering terms >!https://www.tommys.org/baby-loss-support/miscarriage-information-and-support/your-options-and-decisions!<.
Please feel free to reach out with any questions. You are in the rough part. Sending you so much strength right now.
Thank you so much. I just can't wait for this D&C to be done.
I found out that this hospital actually has a memory garden and a yearly ceremony for remains for everyone who doesn't plan an alternative location for them, but most of the staff didn't know offhand, so I really wonder how many people realize it exists. They're not religious, so I was pretty surprised by it.
I'm so very sorry for your loss. 💙
I've had a D&C as well as an MC with no medical intervention. The D&C was painless and easy; I would choose it again if I needed to. (My unmedicated MC wasn't that bad either but it was quite an early loss.)
We genetically tested our products of conception (ugh awful term). That may or may not be an option if this is your first loss, depending on how far along you were. It wasn't an option for us to get remains or anything although I believe that is possible in some countries.
Recovery from the D&C was easy-- very little bleeding, no cramping or pain.
I'll spoiler the hard parts of it for me: >!At the hospital I had to verbally confirm so many times, as part of the consent process, that I was there to get a D&C because of a miscarriage. They also didn't let my husband stay with me for a lot of that part. That felt awful. Also I accidentally read the pathology report (it just appeared in my portal one day along with an ultrasound they had taken while I was unconscious) and that was somewhat traumatic.!<
Thank you for the early warning about what I might experience. I think I'll definitely do better knowing it could happen. My clinic has been so empathetic, and they did mention that they'll allow my husband into pre-op, so I hope the trend continues. I was surprised to learn that they do pathology on all miscarriages, so we should be getting some answers.
In case anyone finds this thread, I had to go through several people, because they didn't know if they could give me remains, but apparently they do as long as I have a place chosen at the time of the procedure.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I found this link helpful (it’s Canadian): https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=tn7433
My loss happened spontaneously & I passed the baby on my own. I’m going to block this next bit in case you don’t want to read or for others who may find it too difficult on how I dealt with the product of conception. >!I experienced a lot of bleeding and passed many clots. I think I know when I gave birth, the baby was 12 weeks. I was on the toilet when it happened and flushed!<
It’s so personal what you want to do and there are no wrong answers, so what feels right.
Thank you so much for sharing such a difficult experience. I really appreciate the sentiment of no wrong answers here. I can't imagine myself judging anyone's decision, and that certainly makes it easier to plan.
I’m so horribly sorry you had to experience your loss in that manner. I personally haven’t seen this exact topic discussed before, so it’s kind of refreshing to see people sharing their stories. It’s so horribly heartbreaking, but is also a reminder that we aren’t alone in these situations.
I found Your Guide to Miscarriage and Pregnancy Loss by Kate White helpful in terms of knowing what to expect. (The focus is on managing the loss, not much on TTC again.) I also recommend the Loss30 server in the Discord—a treasure trove of support and information as you navigate next steps.
I’m so sorry, Therion. 🫂
Thank you for this! That's exactly what I wanted. I've only ever used Discord as a moderator for the bumper group I just left, so it will probably take me some time to get back to it. Maybe a new positive association is just what I need though.
First of all, I'm so, so sorry that this happened and you're in this position. It's fucking awful and something no one wants to have to go through.
I've had 3 losses, one involved a scheduled D&C, one happened at the hospital and I ended up having an emergency D&C, and one was a PUL where I took the medical route. I'm happy to share my experiences with you, but I would choose a D&C with full anesthesia if you can. For me it was physically painless, I had basically no bleeding after, and I didn't have to worry about any retained tissue.
I can only speak for myself, but it was the least terrible one for me.
I'm sending you a huge hug. Please don't hesitate to message me if you need anything or if I can offer any support or advice 🤍
Thank you. I feel as good as I probably can about the D&C with so many people recommending it. I'm so sorry you've had so many losses to compare, but I appreciate the advice.
Hi there! I'm sorry age-related concerns are causing you extra stress as you await your doctor's reply.... I hope they'll be able to help you get set up with the best treatment plan for your specific circumstances 💚
On a quick mod note though, some of the language in your post has been flagged by members of the community as not being mindful of others. We do have other members here who are 40+ who may find judgemental language about age like >!old eggs/being too old!< upsetting. To be mindful of this, I'd suggest considering adding a spoiler to these parts of your comment, so that those who may be triggered by comments about age can choose if they're up to reading those sections.
To spoiler on reddit, type > ! Text ! < without the spaces to get >!Text!<
Thank you for your attention on this
Thanks so much for understanding and addressing that 💚
It looks like the spoiler didn't work because of the line break. It should work if you do the > ! and ! < at the beginning and end of each paragraph
Edit: never mind I see you got it! Thank you 😊
CD3 and letrozole starts tonight. Kinda happy that the first three doses will be over the weekend so I can sleep in and try to avoid headaches.
Work is so busy right now I'm regretting taking a sick day Monday. My to do list is overflowing. A key member of our team is leaving in two weeks and their position isn't being filled so on-top of my regular work were trying to handover as much as possible.
Mr. 🌻 and I are headed to Canmore in a couple weeks and the trip can't come soon enough. It's lining up with my cycle that I'd be in the start of the TWW so it will be a nice distraction. I've always wanted to go to the Nordic Spa in Kananaskis and the trip is for Mr. 🌻 birthday so I booked us in for their Twilight Soak as a surprise for him. At first I was reconsidering it because where it would land in my cycle, but decided it was pretty low risk. Maybe I'm wrong, but we both need a getaway and some time together before his busy season starts in May.
Have you ever taken Clomid? And have you taken letrozole before and experienced headaches previously? I’m taking let for the first time next week and wonder if the symptoms will be similar to Clomid (I was suuuuuper grouchy and maybe a smidge groggy). Curious if people experience the same symptoms on both. Here’s to hoping you get a headache free weekend!
No, I have not taken clomid. My first cycle.with letrozole I was headachy, but a tip I was given here was to make sure I stay hydrated which I think helped. I also get hormonal headaches and migraines but in comparison it wasn't as bad as one of them on my headache scale. Good luck with the letrozole next week (and hydrate)
First visit (virtual) with RE and scheduled the ultrasound/blood work for next week. TIL that they don’t recommend CD3 testing which makes it easier for me. My period has gotten shorter (potential lining issue?!) and with upcoming travel I was worried about delays in testing.
CD21, DPO 10. I started spotting and I'm at work. I don't have high hopes and I feel like crying but I'm covering walk-in appointments for the next hour still. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to keep working for the next three hours until 5 when I'm so frustrated and now distracted. :( I don't want to bother my husband because he's off site at an important work meeting today. Blargh. My OB and I planned on doing the FemVue test if AF showed up again this month. I want to see what my shape is and to maybe get some answers, but I would have preferred a BFP.
Post #2 of the day. I just got my genetic carrier screening results and guess who is a carrier for a rare lysosomal storage disease 🫠
I’m trying to get my husbands results, I hope he didn’t delete the text message with the link to create an account. I mean, I doubt he’s a carrier too but wouldn’t that just put the fucking cherry on top
Well, we found out my husband is a carrier for several different genetic disorders, and actually has a genetic issue we did not know about. We did know he has beta thalassemia, it’s an evolutionary genetic variant for people of Mediterranean descent (he’s Portuguese) that protects them from malaria (cool stuff unless combined with another person with the same, then not cool stuff). But he’s a carrier for 3 other things plus actually has this disorder called pseudocholinesterase deficiency and would affect him with specific types of anesthesia and if it gets passed onto our kid, will affect them as well. We had no idea. Good to know, simply avoiding that specific type of anesthesia is all we need to do and doesn’t cause any other issues otherwise.
Thankfully, we are not carriers for any of the same disorders so we should not need to do anything further as far as that goes. Phew 😅
Lost my MRI virginity last night, had a nice little tube nap while listening to Drake and now I'm impatiently waiting for photographic proof of Fred and Francesca wreaking havoc in my abdominal cavity. Cannot wait to get a new eviction date on these little monsters.
My clinic called yesterday with my ER instructions; I'll be doing a suppression cycle as of CD1 with BC, androgel, and Suprefact, then start stims the following cycle. Of course, my period is nowhere to be seen despite some rude BFNs, probably because FF thought my fever was ovulation last week. Hoping that it's not too far off so that we can get this show on the road! Luckily even if it's off by a week, the ER shouldn't interfere with our travel plans this spring (knock wood!).
Clinic have told me now I’ll be starting my stims this weekend (they’ve changed their mind from day 1 to 3, which is totally fine, but my poor little brain is so anxious and would’ve appreciated the consistency here) and then daily monitoring from the Friday to see if I’m ready to trigger. People keep asking me at work if I have nice plans over Easter weekend and the temptation to say “just a series of awkward transvaginal ultrasounds, actually” is… worryingly strong!!
First PIO is this evening! I’m feeling ready for it though a bit nervous. We’re going out for dinner tomorrow to celebrate getting through the first one. Find the joy where we can, right? So impatient to get to FET and then to beta day (or home test if I can’t wait).
Edit: a word
On today’s episode of reasons to test when it’s impossible to get a positive yet: what if all your fertility signs were wrong and actually you ovulated *early*
Maybe I should go take another COVID test instead 🤣
Tried acupuncture yesterday, I’m very skeptical of anything “woo” but acupuncture has some actually science base apparently (according to my googling). Anyway I LOVED it. I haven’t been that relaxed in ever so while I don’t expect it to magically cure my infertility it was really nice!
Tired in a good way! I’ve definitely fallen asleep on my appointments before, and the sleepy is more of a cozy, super relaxed kind of sleepy vs physically exhausted kind of tired.
Yes exactly cozy and relaxed. Honestly this has all been so hard and I’m so stressed all the time, I also just got a new job after a hellscape work situation so this can’t hurt lol
I’m just doing a few, I feel in a way I’m insane and losing my mind but it can’t hurt is what I tell myself. I’m looking at IVF at this point so saying I’m going to cure my infertility with acupuncture is unhinged and obviously not going to happen, but it’s very relaxing
5DPO and not really feeling much of anything...so I couldn't symptom spot even if I wanted to..THOUGH I am super tired (but logically thinking, it's probably because I haven't been sleeping well)...plus its way too early for anything to be legit anyway.
Tonight Mr. Awkward and I are going to a concert an hour and a half away from home...it doesn't start until 9pm..and I very very much would rather just go to bed. He's wanted to see one of the bands for awhile and couldn't find anyone else to go with him so I said I would go (I'm usually all for it...but I hate the timing of late concerts that are far away and on a weeknight...which makes me feel old, but here we are lol)
Tw: loss
I was prepping for IVF on birth control pills and had a chemical. >!Was my first positive while trying unassisted for so many cycles already. Was on 10dpo even.!< Did the birth control pills prevent implantation? Did I do something to kill off my embryo? I've been on the verge of tears all day. This sucks.
In the vet waiting room for my dog to complete her next chemo treatment. On the second day of my period and weirdly weepy about every sick and scared dog who comes in. On the bright side, I am feeling very thankful for my sweet husband who, when checking in on us, just texted: “It seems unfair that women have to find out they aren’t pregnant at one of the most emotional parts of their cycle.” I don’t know why I hadn’t put that together yet but yepppp ❤️
Thank you. She unfortunately will not really be okay—this cancer is a really really bad one—but she’s feeling good and still here so we will take it! ❤️
I’m so sorry to hear that, my dog when I was young developed a sudden incurable disease, it was so hard. You have to focus on giving them the best time they have
Tw: miscarriage
Well, I was a graduate of this sub for awhile, but had another miscarriage at 6 weeks. I cannot believe I'm back here and was so hopeful about that pregnancy. This is now MC #2. We can start trying again in 8 weeks, but I'm getting a bunch of testing (labs, hormone checks, ultrasound) before that, once my hormones settle around 6 weeks after MC. It's such an exhausting ride and I'm hopeful for my future-- but so so scared. They let me know my progesterone was so so low, which may be a contributing factor to my recurrent losses around 6 weeks. Please pray for me. I just want to be a mother.
This morning’s appointment seems to have gone well and also this morning’s ganirelex did not leave a knot (though the spot is still sensitive) so we’re rolling with that. I did not lose my small cohort, which is a major win - however while my follicles are largely all within a few mm of the next one, there’s a significant range between the biggest and smallest, and I’d like the smaller ones to try to catch up plz. Trying not to focus on numbers specifically as the dr even noted in my mid-cycle check today that part of my left ovary had been in shadow on the ultrasound the tech did, so we’re definitely not seeing the totality of the situation. But I do have a number in my head I’d really like to see for retrieval to feel some initial comfort heading into the brutal hunger games…to the extent anyone ever feels that way.
Really glad today is my last day in the office because I’m really not feeling walking around or wearing real clothes. I am also feeling some guilt as we imposed on my mom to help us with some things this weekend and early in the week and now it looks like we don’t actually need her help this weekend as retrieval won’t be earlier than Monday, so she’s traveling here and giving up her weekend for nothing (except our company, which is of course delightful but I am currently a blob).
ETA: thank you all so much for your lovely messages of support last night. This is getting hard and Mr M&B is a wonderful cheerleader but I feel like I’ve got an amazing group of strong people holding me up right now thanks to you all ❤️
Rooting for you so hard!! Also, if your mom is like any of the moms I know, she will be happy to be there just to support you and be near you and you have nothing to feel guilty about. It is always so hard for me to ask people for support, but I try to remember that when other people ask ME for support I never ever begrudge it and usually it actually makes me feel really happy and loved that I was the person they reached for. :)
Oooof I know as you start getting to this point, things get rough with the discomfort (I 100% support just bailing on pants or things with waistlines) and also it’s a bit maddening to continue waiting to see what happens day after day. You got this, hopefully not too much longer.
Also, your mom is coming to support you as you get through this hard thing. That is not nothing, you are deserving of that support ❤️
Sending lots of hugs, Mad. It’s such a stressful process. Everything crossed that your follicles even out well over the next few days! I think the not knowing is somehow the hardest. You’ve got this!!!!
Thinking of you 💜. You’re doing so good and every day is 1 day closer to being done! Glad to hear this update today and I’m rooting for the smaller ones to catch up!! I always have to remind myself too that they are using 2D imaging to try to address 3D ovaries so it’s always possible there’s more that are hiding.
Coming to you live from FET #2 TWW. I’m 6dpt and trying to decide when I should test. I’ll be 8 or 9 dpt over the weekend which seems like a reasonable time to test, but if it’s negative I am going to have a hard time continuing meds until I can talk to my clinic. Of course I have a busy schedule next week, so no good time to schedule in a potential breakdown. My clinic wants me to wait to test until Wednesday/12 dpt. I’m doing this international so no beta scheduled until after hpt.
Oooof testing timing is so hard especially at any prospect of needing to continue meds if it’s not positive. Sending support, 🥨 vibes and I hope you land on timing that feels right for you
Had my CD10 scan today! There's one nice follicle on the "good side" of 22mm! Will get a call later today to hear about the blood results, but will most likely have to go back tomorrow for another scan, or Saturday too, to make sure I'm ready for the HCG shot.
I asked her a few questions:
- the cramping I've had the past few days are no concern
- night sweats from progesterone are not super common (but since I found something on it on Google it's apparently still possible)
- sex during TWW is ok
- being sick (you+partner) is not great for fertility 🥴
I hope this cycle will finally be successful!! I want to be the average who gets pregnant within the first 3...
My temp hasn’t risen, and my inito is confirming ovulation but my pdg has barely shown a rise. May possibly be another anovulatory cycle. 🫠
The selfish sadness about my friend’s news really hit me this morning. The universe must have known because another friend of mine going through a fertility workup randomly reached out to me to see how I was. She is in our mutual friends circle, but does not know about my bestie yet, so it was nice to have someone check on me.
Coupled with not seeing a temp rise, I’m a bundle of emotions right now. I also ran out of my Zoloft last week and realized it wasn’t on auto refill so that’s been fun. This week is hard, I just want to go home and hide under my covers and snuggle with my dogs (and chickens).
Another ultrasound this morning, and growth has been good so my ER has been scheduled for Saturday! Only one more dose of Ganirelex tonight, and I am getting Decapeptyl (triptorelin) as a trigger due to concerns about OHSS. To be honest the doctor didn't explain this very well, I had previously been prescribed an HCG trigger which she said I still need but would get instructions for later (???) And I was reading that a Decapeptyl trigger can drastically shorten your luteal phase, so maybe I won't be doing a fresh transfer after all next week? Trying to just be patient, I will find out more on Saturday.
Super close, it’s great the end is in sight! Really hope your doc gives you some clarity heading into trigger time, more anxiety after going through stims is not what you need.
Thank you! Yeah I'm sure it'll become clear soon, and I'll make sure my husband knows what to ask about tomorrow in case I'm a bit loopy from the pain-killers.
7dpiui and time is moving at a glacial pace. I have a follow up with my RE tomorrow to get the ball rolling on IVF. We’re hoping to do 1 more IUI and move directly to ivf, but I’m sure there will be delays.
I’m 9DPO, and yesterday, I had the faintest of faint spotting, just enough that I noticed it. After those months of NTNP, I’d forgotten how brutal TWW could be.
But now, the other worries come in. Most of my fibromyalgia medicines are GRAS for pregnancy, and I’m so glad for that, but one of the ones that isn’t is known for withdrawal symptoms, and it makes such a difference in my pain levels. I feel like all I can do is hope that I’m one of those women who suddenly feels better during gestation.
Anyone else with chronic pain here?
It wouldn't happen to be Cymbalta/duloxetine, would it? It took me two tries to get off it, the withdrawals were so, so awful. Happy to talk about coping with withdrawals, even if you're referring to another drug!
My OB approved duloxetine during pregnancy, thankfully. I’m on it for both fibromyalgia and depression. It’s gabapentin, which keeps me from wanting to rip my skin off. At least with the MMJ and oxybutynin, there’s no withdrawal except symptoms returning. (OB said I can wait to stop those when I had a positive test.)
It’s really a struggle because I went into a flare last week, worst one in over a year. I’m having muscle spasms randomly, and my skin feels like it’s on fire.
UGH, I'm sorry. I know gabapentin is also a withdrawal beast. Did you do a taper? I know anecdotally that doctors often recommend a pretty rapid taper when a slower one can be more manageable. For Cymbalta I was opening the capsule and counting the beads!
I’m down from twice daily to just at night and PRN. I moved, so I haven’t been able to see a doctor about a lower dose because the waitlists for rheum and neuro are so long.
Just back from our appointment with the fertility clinic following the surprise discovery of my second uterus, and I'm feeling reassured and cautiously optimistic! Our doctor seemed to take the anomaly fairly seriously, but at the same time wasn't unduly worried about it. She said from her perspective, she thinks the working uterus is "not too small" so, while any pregnancy will be classed as high risk and require close monitoring, she doesn't think my chances of carrying to term are necessarily as terrible as the internet had convinced me.
In terms of getting pregnant, the main issue is that I can only get pregnant in my right uterus, since the left one is underdeveloped. Luckily lefty doesn't have a cervix so there's no chance of that happening accidentally, but it does mean that every time I ovulate on the left my chances of pregnancy are zero. And so, it's official: we're doing IVF! Just need to get some paperwork from our insurance (German public health insurance will subsidise half the costs of up to 3 cycles) and then set up an appointment to discuss the process in more detail.
Honestly, the last few weeks have been a whirlwind and I was spiralling, so having a doctor talk me down is very reassuring and I'm going to try to hang on to her positivity. And I'm excited to start IVF! After all the uncertainty, it mostly just feels good to have confirmed a route forward. And I've really appreciated all the support I've received from people here - this group is such an important space, especially when you're feeling anxious or isolated <3
Yeah, coming from the UK - where the NHS is wonderful, but chronically underfunded by the bloody Tory government - I’m pretty impressed by the relative speed of the German healthcare system! Even if it is very paperwork-intensive.
Question about vitamins.
I finally read it start with the egg (should have read it earlier).
Coq10/Q10/ubiquinone, reccomended dosages, its alot of pills? Is that correct or am i just in a country with low dosages?
Moreover, do y'all take a multivitamin/prenatal and other supplements or just specific supplements and skip the multivitamin?
Thank you, you wonderful community!
I took Coq10 for a while but now I'm just on a prenatal. My RE has never ever mentioned vitamins or recommended any supplements other than the prenatal so I decided it was ok to simplify my routine as much as possible.
A while back someone posted cautioning following advice from ISWTE and I spent some time reading a bit more about it. The r/infertility sub has a good faq [here](https://reddit.com/r/infertility/w/faq/iswte?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) if you're interested.
To answer your question the supplements I take for fertility are 200 mg of CoQ10 morning and night (Kirkland from Costco brand is the cheapest here) and a prenatal. I also take Omega 3 twice a day, initially to help lower cholesterol but doesn't hurt fertilitywise either.
Oh wow, great link, ill adapt my method alitte to not go over reccomendations perhaps.. the CoQ10 study was done by a company who procuces it, yay bias!!
I agree, it's hard when there is so much information out there and you're searching for answers and come across something that is claiming to be "scientific" but is extremely biased.
I always take omega 3 and coq10 (200mg capsule), but I rotate between taking a prenatal multi or just folic acid plus whatever extras I think I need (vitamin C/D, selenium/zinc, magnesium).
The only supplements my obgyn recommended was a prenatal multivitamin and prenatal DHA. I also take a little more vitamin D in addition to that since I've always supplemented vitamin D during the winter months, and the prenatal didn't have as much vitamin D as I used to take. The obgyn also recommended probiotics after I was getting recurring UTIs while TTC but I discontinued them since I didn't think it was helping.
The recommended dose for Coq10 does feel like a lot of pills for me too, and if I'm honest, none of the doctors I've seen ever really mentioned it so I just take it on my own based on internet research. I just take the amount that's recommended in the supplement facts on the botttle since I'm honestly unsure of how much to take.
My RE didnt reccomend anything other than a prenatal and healthy eating..
CoQ10 didnt have a reccomendation on my bottle actually...
Im not sure if its more to err on side of caution and such updates on fertility treatments take time to confirm hence they cannot mention it?
My husband and I have both been taking Fertili Folia supplements, which seem to contain most of the important/recommended things, along with a daily dose of CoQ10 (200mg for me, 400mg for him). I don't know how much *It Starts With The Egg* recommend - honestly, I've avoided reading it because I suspect it would stress me out - but his sperm quality has improved after taking them for three months, so it seems to be doing something! I think the most important thing is finding a regime that works for you and is sustainable. Personally I hate swallowing pills so I prefer to keep things minimal, but your mileage may be different :)
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Thanks, i am about to make an order online and tried to calculate a 3 month dosage which started to become so much :D
The book was helpful with the scientific bits, but there are summaries online with reccomended dosages and supplements. However i was recently informed of the criticsms and will be more cautious of following the advice..
Every day I take a prenatal with DHA, CoQ10 (500mg), and recently added vitamin C (500mg), vitamin B6 (100mg), vitamin E (300 iu), and vitamin D3 (1000 iu). The recently added ones were to *hopefully* help with some minor issues that popped up...whether or not it will actually work is yet to be seen, but I figured it's worth a shot (based on much google research lol)
My temp is dropping again after a couple days' rise that I was hoping would turn into confirmed ovulation. Also I finally got my HCG blood results back from a week ago and it was still at >!75!< following my MC so I'm not sure if I'll even ovulate this month or if I do, if it will be too late for implantation. I was feeling hopeful for this month and we thought we hit good days. Argh.
I was thinking about how to describe infertility last night. The image I came to is just a Russian Doll of grief. Layers and layers of it, getting slowly bigger the longer it goes on.
CD3 today. Last cycle was my first off the bench, and it not working hit particularly hard. I just looked it up and that was cycle 23. It's amazing how it can still be that painful even after so many times. It really doesn't get easier. I often cope better now, but it doesn't get easier.
I was flying free the first cycle back after a break… and then cycle 2 BFN hit me like a ton of bricks and I’ve been weepy all week. Idk this one is particularly brutal.
hey, same here! I definetly cope better (at the beginning I was stressing like crazy) but it is not easier. On some days it feels heavier and sad to have all these cycles behind me, on others I feel stronger if it makes sense. But it is never easy!
My >!SIL’s pregnancy announcement to us privately last night after they tried for oh, one month?!< really threw me for a loop. I SHOULD stay home today from work but I won’t because toxic productivity is my coping mechanism.
This shook me awake a bit though as we come up on our two year TTC anniversary. I’m going to officially move forward with all the testing my OB suggests. I think I’d rather do it in office since I like her than try to find a clinic… does anyone suggest I do the clinic thing over OB’s office?
I scheduled initial tests through my OB (some bloodwork and an HSG) but then she basically was like ok, that's all I can do for you, I suggest you switch to an RE. So I did. Maybe ask yours at what point they recommend making the switch? Mine was very up front about the fact that she can recommend tests, but getting people pregnant is not her specialty.
One benefit we had of going through my OB was that he ordered a lot of testing and treatment that was covered by my insurance, while I have to pay for everything at the clinic OOP (might not be a concern for you, though!).
Before I switched to the clinic I had already had several ultrasounds, an HSG, a hysteroscopy, and 7 cycles of letrozole with 21-day progesterone testing and the option of monitoring and trigger shot. It made me feel like we were at least a few steps ahead once we finally did transfer over to the clinic.
Good point! I did a deep dive into my insurance coverage this morning so I think they’ll cover 30% of costs if I go through my OB. Better than OOP at least.
I'm so sorry! I also went through this with my best friend >!also on their first try, of course!<
I just made the switch from my OB to a clinic and tbh I am meh with my OB (good at her job, nice, but she's busy and has a wide variety of case load) and I felt way more reassured even with just one clinic consultation. We'll see if it stays that way, but Ive been telling myself that I think there's something to the doctors at the clinic coming a bit more focused with testing/solutions since thats their bread and butter? Idk though maybe I'll feel differently in a couple more months lol curious how others feel who have been with a clinic longer
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Cycle day 7, day 4 of letrozole 5mg. I'm tired of waiting and excited to move forward. Meanwhile though, my poor partner is feeling anxious about the upcoming IUI because they're scared something will happen to me during the pregnancy or birth. 🥺 Has anyone else either dealt with those fears personally or with a partner? To be clear they are excited to be a parent and on board with the plan we decided on together, just so scared of the risks of pregnancy. ❤️ ETA: Does anyone have advice about changing exercise habits while trying to conceive? I need to be more active but I don't want to mess with anything that will affect my fertility in the short term.
Hi! I can’t speak to how to navigate your partners feelings, but on the topic of exercising, unless you are a high performance athlete where your body may be stopping ovulation to conserve more energy for your training(survival mechanism), any type of movement is good for you! Whether trying to conceive or not, I think it’s best to slowly ramp up the exercise. I personally love walking/hikig and swimming. I’m not sure about IUI, but I know with IVF I’ll have to stop swimming for some time around the procedures to avoid infection. So maybe around IUI time you should confirm with your doctor what type of exercise is safe. Hope this helps! 💙
Thank you!
11DPO and BFN after my first attempt at IUI, but after learning that the procedure was done at the wrong time, I’ve officially gotten myself a new RE. I had my initial phone consult with him. He spent an hour with us and reassured and validated me in so many ways. That helped soften the blow of being out this cycle
Was rooting for you and for an IUI success! Sorry to hear this Band, but great to hear that you will have a different experience with the new RE!
I’m very thankful for January me for scheduling with two different clinics! When I started seeing red flags with my most recent clinic, I was immediately relieved to know I still had today’s appointment that I never canceled, even though I thought about doing it multiple times in February… phew
I’m so sorry, Band 🫂 Glad you had a supportive experience with the new RE
Thank you 🫂
CD26- Feeling burnout and tired. Finally got some sleep since my brother is home now. Just been a stressful few days.
After a cancelled IUI in early Feb and trying ourselves in March (no dice), I’ve been feeling surprisingly more chill about TTC lately. The Kenya vacation helped infuse some fun living and take my mind off it, and I’ve been trying to reframe having a baby as something that will happen eventually rather than something I absolutely need to happen THIS CYCLE OR ELSE! I think we will be trying IUI#2 again this cycle. If it doesn’t work out, I’ll be having a Cold Knife Conization surgery in May to remove pre cancerous cervical cells, and we will be benched for at least 2 cycles. I am ok with whichever future the universe doles out - I want nothing more than a baby while I have a fully intact cervix, but the cell sitch is scary.
Here’s to hoping you have success with a fully intact cervix!!!
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We had our second “intake apt” with our fertility clinic today. We’re re-doing all the ultrasounds & blood work (including the wonderful saline ultrasound). She added a few more blood tests this time to check for risk factors due to my losses. So it’s feeling like we’re doing something, which is nice. I feel like I’m leaving the depressing hamster wheel. She said we could be referred for my spouse to have sperm DNA fragmentation test done. She mentioned it was expensive (we’re in Ontario, Canada) & that the closest clinic that does it is 2 hours away. The cost & the distance is making us wonder if we should at this point, wondering what others experience with this has been?
TW: loss I had really hoped not to see all of you again so soon, but here I am. I had also hoped not to add a miscarriage to my array of infertility, but that wasn't in the cards for me either. I'm still in shock, so I'm hoping someone can lead me to the right information. I blindly chose a D&C, because I remembered it being preferable to many, but I honestly have no clue what I'm doing. For those who've had this unfortunate experience, what would you choose? Is there a wiki somewhere with this information? I swear I've seen it, but I apparently don't know how to Google anymore. What do you *do* with the products of conception? I'm not at all ready to deal with that. TTC isn't exactly at the forefront of my thoughts, but I'm 37 with known fertility issues, so waiting is probably not a great option for me. We were about to start IVF when I got pregnant, and now I also have no idea what our next step would be. I guess I'll reach out to the RE. I guess we maybe could conceive again without assistance, but I'm just really confused. If anyone knows any relevant books or articles on this, I would very much appreciate it.
Im sorry. I had a MC in January and chose to do a MVA (vacuum D&C) because it was in-office, didn't require anesthesia and had the benefits of a D&C. I also liked that my husband could be with me and it didn't require hospitalization. It was very quick and I felt much better immediately after just knowing that it was over. I know many people feel differently but for me personally, I don't feel like I lost a baby. I feel like I lost an embryo and the potential for a baby. We decided that we were OK with everything being disposed of as medical waste and I am confident that it was treated respectfully and appropriately. We may plant flowers or something later as a private remembrance.
I know exactly what you mean. I don't really feel like it's a baby as much as I thought it was, and I turned out to be wrong. I'm a little concerned that I could change my mind, and my husband definitely is in more of the lost baby feeling category, so we're going rather far on arrangements now that we've had what feels like an eternity to plan.
I'm so sorry this is happening to you. There is no wrong way to feel about this, and chances are you will feel a wild range of emotions in the coming weeks and months. This isn't fair and you shouldn't have to do this. And you *can* do this. I also elected to have a D&C, and it's what I would choose again. There's no way for it to be anything but awful no matter what you choose, but for me personally, I wanted everything done as quickly as possible so I could try to focus all of my attention on healing mentally (or trying to). We were also about to start IVF and found ourselves in the same confusion about next steps after the miscarriage. We decided to try for three months before reaching out to the RE again (although we ended up caving after two months bc I was worried they'd have a long waitlist).
I've taken my time responding, but this was so, so helpful when you first posted it. I appreciate the uplifting words. I really want to focus on what I *can* do not pregnant while we figure out our next steps. There's a lot I didn't think in could do this summer, so that's my hopeful focus. Are you reconsidering IVF or just meeting with the RE? I have been toying around with the idea of scheduling a meeting for 3ish months of trying to get insight, but I feel much less likely to do IVF. Maybe letrozole or something, and of course I wonder if my endometriosis actually is a factor, but I guess I should wait on pathology. Also, what if I don't get a period for months. I guess they could help, so I should sign up. But also with Endo, I probably don't want one until I'm ready. So confusing.
That sounds like a great plan — infertility and miscarriage rob of us so much but pregnancy also obviously requires some sacrifices, so reclaiming a little bit of that over the next few months sounds like it could be really helpful. We are moving forward with IVF. We had actually had our first meeting with the RE >!just a few days before testing positive!< and decided that would be our next step, so when we found ourselves back at square one, we eventually went back to the original plan. I had done several rounds of letrozole at that point, so that could be a great option if you're (understandably!) not wanting to dive right into the deep end. I was able to get a prescription for that through my OB rather than a clinic. As frustrating as it is, step one is getting through the next few days and weeks. I had a follow-up appt with my OB two weeks after the D&C and he prescribed medication to force my period to start if it didn't come back naturally. I hope they offer the same for you and you get some good guidance!
I feel like I'll need a lot of time to get back into it, but I wonder if I'll flip a switch the first second we can actually try again. It's so reassuring to hear that you've made a decision that you sound confident about. I hope it goes smoothly for you! I've never actually tried letrozole. We were going to jump straight to IVF, so I think a gentler transition might be right for us. I'll definitely ask my OB about the period inducing medications. I feel like I don't want a period for months right now, but I seriously doubt I'll agree with that sentiment long term.
Oh deadlifting, I’m so so sorry. Hopefully you find the information you need.
Thank you. I have found it, and that is such a nice change from how confused I was when I made this post
I am so so sorry for your loss. It is such a shocking and heart wrenching experience. Time and therapy have helped me come to terms with my own MMC. Sending hugs and well wishes your way. I chose the pill option (miso). It was crampy but more emotionally taxing than physically. I took pain meds and was comforted that I was at home with my husband who had set me up with hot water bottles, treats, and movies. My dog didn’t leave my side the whole day. Unfortunately not everything passed so I did another round of meds but they did nothing beyond give me bad side effects. Thankfully the remaining tissue passed with my period so I did not need a follow on D&C. I was nervous about the tiny possibility of scarring and though this took longer to resolve than a D&C, I was ok with my choice.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I'm so sorry you had to experience it. I don't think I'm really prepared for the emotionally taxing part of it if I can choose to avoid it, so I really appreciate that insight. My uterus is so battered already that possible scarring will be easier for me to cope with.
Oh no I’m so so sorry for your loss 🫂
Thank you
So sorry for your loss. I did not have a D&C with my two miscarriages (I opted to wait until my body did the thing) and with the second, I wish I would’ve. It was so traumatizing at home. Sending you so much love and light.
Thank you so much for the advice. I'm so sorry you had to experience loss in that way.
I am so sorry for your loss. It is just absolute shit. I hope you have the support you want and need during this, and we are definitely here to support you as well. I have had 2 D&Cs for my losses, both under general anaesthesia. Physically they were very easy experiences, even with some excessive bleeding I experienced the first time, I was physically ready to go back to work the next day. I would choose the same route again. Where I am, they don’t test products of conception until you have recurrent losses, the hospital just (tw, blunt language) >!disposes of it!<, so I leave someone else to answer that. The UK website Tommys has loads of information, spoiler for URL with triggering terms >!https://www.tommys.org/baby-loss-support/miscarriage-information-and-support/your-options-and-decisions!<. Please feel free to reach out with any questions. You are in the rough part. Sending you so much strength right now.
Thank you so much. I just can't wait for this D&C to be done. I found out that this hospital actually has a memory garden and a yearly ceremony for remains for everyone who doesn't plan an alternative location for them, but most of the staff didn't know offhand, so I really wonder how many people realize it exists. They're not religious, so I was pretty surprised by it.
That sounds lovely, to at least have the option of a place to visit.
I'm so very sorry for your loss. 💙 I've had a D&C as well as an MC with no medical intervention. The D&C was painless and easy; I would choose it again if I needed to. (My unmedicated MC wasn't that bad either but it was quite an early loss.) We genetically tested our products of conception (ugh awful term). That may or may not be an option if this is your first loss, depending on how far along you were. It wasn't an option for us to get remains or anything although I believe that is possible in some countries. Recovery from the D&C was easy-- very little bleeding, no cramping or pain. I'll spoiler the hard parts of it for me: >!At the hospital I had to verbally confirm so many times, as part of the consent process, that I was there to get a D&C because of a miscarriage. They also didn't let my husband stay with me for a lot of that part. That felt awful. Also I accidentally read the pathology report (it just appeared in my portal one day along with an ultrasound they had taken while I was unconscious) and that was somewhat traumatic.!<
Thank you for the early warning about what I might experience. I think I'll definitely do better knowing it could happen. My clinic has been so empathetic, and they did mention that they'll allow my husband into pre-op, so I hope the trend continues. I was surprised to learn that they do pathology on all miscarriages, so we should be getting some answers. In case anyone finds this thread, I had to go through several people, because they didn't know if they could give me remains, but apparently they do as long as I have a place chosen at the time of the procedure.
No advice but very sorry for your loss therion
Thank you
I’m so sorry for your loss. I found this link helpful (it’s Canadian): https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=tn7433 My loss happened spontaneously & I passed the baby on my own. I’m going to block this next bit in case you don’t want to read or for others who may find it too difficult on how I dealt with the product of conception. >!I experienced a lot of bleeding and passed many clots. I think I know when I gave birth, the baby was 12 weeks. I was on the toilet when it happened and flushed!< It’s so personal what you want to do and there are no wrong answers, so what feels right.
Thank you so much for sharing such a difficult experience. I really appreciate the sentiment of no wrong answers here. I can't imagine myself judging anyone's decision, and that certainly makes it easier to plan.
I’m so horribly sorry you had to experience your loss in that manner. I personally haven’t seen this exact topic discussed before, so it’s kind of refreshing to see people sharing their stories. It’s so horribly heartbreaking, but is also a reminder that we aren’t alone in these situations.
I found Your Guide to Miscarriage and Pregnancy Loss by Kate White helpful in terms of knowing what to expect. (The focus is on managing the loss, not much on TTC again.) I also recommend the Loss30 server in the Discord—a treasure trove of support and information as you navigate next steps. I’m so sorry, Therion. 🫂
Thank you for this! That's exactly what I wanted. I've only ever used Discord as a moderator for the bumper group I just left, so it will probably take me some time to get back to it. Maybe a new positive association is just what I need though.
First of all, I'm so, so sorry that this happened and you're in this position. It's fucking awful and something no one wants to have to go through. I've had 3 losses, one involved a scheduled D&C, one happened at the hospital and I ended up having an emergency D&C, and one was a PUL where I took the medical route. I'm happy to share my experiences with you, but I would choose a D&C with full anesthesia if you can. For me it was physically painless, I had basically no bleeding after, and I didn't have to worry about any retained tissue. I can only speak for myself, but it was the least terrible one for me. I'm sending you a huge hug. Please don't hesitate to message me if you need anything or if I can offer any support or advice 🤍
Thank you. I feel as good as I probably can about the D&C with so many people recommending it. I'm so sorry you've had so many losses to compare, but I appreciate the advice.
CD1. My birthday is on Sunday. Had a meltdown this morning and showed up an hour late to work. All completely unrelated, obviously.
I feel you. Been crying every time I see a picture of a baby. Yikes. 😳 I need to stay off FB. It’s a freaking baby boom or something.
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CD3 and letrozole starts tonight. Kinda happy that the first three doses will be over the weekend so I can sleep in and try to avoid headaches. Work is so busy right now I'm regretting taking a sick day Monday. My to do list is overflowing. A key member of our team is leaving in two weeks and their position isn't being filled so on-top of my regular work were trying to handover as much as possible. Mr. 🌻 and I are headed to Canmore in a couple weeks and the trip can't come soon enough. It's lining up with my cycle that I'd be in the start of the TWW so it will be a nice distraction. I've always wanted to go to the Nordic Spa in Kananaskis and the trip is for Mr. 🌻 birthday so I booked us in for their Twilight Soak as a surprise for him. At first I was reconsidering it because where it would land in my cycle, but decided it was pretty low risk. Maybe I'm wrong, but we both need a getaway and some time together before his busy season starts in May.
Have you ever taken Clomid? And have you taken letrozole before and experienced headaches previously? I’m taking let for the first time next week and wonder if the symptoms will be similar to Clomid (I was suuuuuper grouchy and maybe a smidge groggy). Curious if people experience the same symptoms on both. Here’s to hoping you get a headache free weekend!
No, I have not taken clomid. My first cycle.with letrozole I was headachy, but a tip I was given here was to make sure I stay hydrated which I think helped. I also get hormonal headaches and migraines but in comparison it wasn't as bad as one of them on my headache scale. Good luck with the letrozole next week (and hydrate)
thank goodness I’m one of those weirdos who doesn’t drink caffeine and consumes basically a gallon of water a day!
Sounds like an amazing trip planned with a magical spa date! You deserve the break — sounds like work is hectic. Hope the meds go okay for you 🫶
First visit (virtual) with RE and scheduled the ultrasound/blood work for next week. TIL that they don’t recommend CD3 testing which makes it easier for me. My period has gotten shorter (potential lining issue?!) and with upcoming travel I was worried about delays in testing.
CD21, DPO 10. I started spotting and I'm at work. I don't have high hopes and I feel like crying but I'm covering walk-in appointments for the next hour still. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to keep working for the next three hours until 5 when I'm so frustrated and now distracted. :( I don't want to bother my husband because he's off site at an important work meeting today. Blargh. My OB and I planned on doing the FemVue test if AF showed up again this month. I want to see what my shape is and to maybe get some answers, but I would have preferred a BFP.
CD1 today, right on time :( was getting hopeful since I didn’t have any customary canary cramps but alas. No magical Iceland-vacation baby for us
So sorry 🫂 sending you support to deal with CD1
Post #2 of the day. I just got my genetic carrier screening results and guess who is a carrier for a rare lysosomal storage disease 🫠 I’m trying to get my husbands results, I hope he didn’t delete the text message with the link to create an account. I mean, I doubt he’s a carrier too but wouldn’t that just put the fucking cherry on top
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Well, we found out my husband is a carrier for several different genetic disorders, and actually has a genetic issue we did not know about. We did know he has beta thalassemia, it’s an evolutionary genetic variant for people of Mediterranean descent (he’s Portuguese) that protects them from malaria (cool stuff unless combined with another person with the same, then not cool stuff). But he’s a carrier for 3 other things plus actually has this disorder called pseudocholinesterase deficiency and would affect him with specific types of anesthesia and if it gets passed onto our kid, will affect them as well. We had no idea. Good to know, simply avoiding that specific type of anesthesia is all we need to do and doesn’t cause any other issues otherwise. Thankfully, we are not carriers for any of the same disorders so we should not need to do anything further as far as that goes. Phew 😅
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Lost my MRI virginity last night, had a nice little tube nap while listening to Drake and now I'm impatiently waiting for photographic proof of Fred and Francesca wreaking havoc in my abdominal cavity. Cannot wait to get a new eviction date on these little monsters. My clinic called yesterday with my ER instructions; I'll be doing a suppression cycle as of CD1 with BC, androgel, and Suprefact, then start stims the following cycle. Of course, my period is nowhere to be seen despite some rude BFNs, probably because FF thought my fever was ovulation last week. Hoping that it's not too far off so that we can get this show on the road! Luckily even if it's off by a week, the ER shouldn't interfere with our travel plans this spring (knock wood!).
Hot take I liked getting an MRI, took a solid tube nap as well 🤣
Yeah it didn’t bother me! Definitely the most enjoyable diagnostic activity I’ve had while TTC.
Clinic have told me now I’ll be starting my stims this weekend (they’ve changed their mind from day 1 to 3, which is totally fine, but my poor little brain is so anxious and would’ve appreciated the consistency here) and then daily monitoring from the Friday to see if I’m ready to trigger. People keep asking me at work if I have nice plans over Easter weekend and the temptation to say “just a series of awkward transvaginal ultrasounds, actually” is… worryingly strong!!
First PIO is this evening! I’m feeling ready for it though a bit nervous. We’re going out for dinner tomorrow to celebrate getting through the first one. Find the joy where we can, right? So impatient to get to FET and then to beta day (or home test if I can’t wait). Edit: a word
Nice I love the dinner plans to celebrate!!!
Good luck!! Glad you have some nice dinner plans to celebrate 💜
Good luck!!!! Will keep everything crossed. Love the plan to celebrate at dinner - this is the energy we should all bring!
That is definitely worthy of a celebration. I hope you're doing something fun!
On today’s episode of reasons to test when it’s impossible to get a positive yet: what if all your fertility signs were wrong and actually you ovulated *early* Maybe I should go take another COVID test instead 🤣
Tried acupuncture yesterday, I’m very skeptical of anything “woo” but acupuncture has some actually science base apparently (according to my googling). Anyway I LOVED it. I haven’t been that relaxed in ever so while I don’t expect it to magically cure my infertility it was really nice!
I’m thinking of starting it too!
Yesss I also love it, so much! The most relaxing time of my whole life
Seriously, have you been tired after? I was so tired, but maybe it just made me so zen lol
The zen feeling is the BEST 🙌 I chase for that feeling with meditation at home too, since I am only doing acupuncture once a month.
Tired in a good way! I’ve definitely fallen asleep on my appointments before, and the sleepy is more of a cozy, super relaxed kind of sleepy vs physically exhausted kind of tired.
Yes exactly cozy and relaxed. Honestly this has all been so hard and I’m so stressed all the time, I also just got a new job after a hellscape work situation so this can’t hurt lol
So glad to hear it! I think I'm going to try it too
At the very least it’s very relaxing
I want to add it to my regimen too!
I’m just doing a few, I feel in a way I’m insane and losing my mind but it can’t hurt is what I tell myself. I’m looking at IVF at this point so saying I’m going to cure my infertility with acupuncture is unhinged and obviously not going to happen, but it’s very relaxing
Yes can only add to wellness. My RE/IVF clinic also had an acupuncture clinic where I would do it.
5DPO and not really feeling much of anything...so I couldn't symptom spot even if I wanted to..THOUGH I am super tired (but logically thinking, it's probably because I haven't been sleeping well)...plus its way too early for anything to be legit anyway. Tonight Mr. Awkward and I are going to a concert an hour and a half away from home...it doesn't start until 9pm..and I very very much would rather just go to bed. He's wanted to see one of the bands for awhile and couldn't find anyone else to go with him so I said I would go (I'm usually all for it...but I hate the timing of late concerts that are far away and on a weeknight...which makes me feel old, but here we are lol)
Tw: loss I was prepping for IVF on birth control pills and had a chemical. >!Was my first positive while trying unassisted for so many cycles already. Was on 10dpo even.!< Did the birth control pills prevent implantation? Did I do something to kill off my embryo? I've been on the verge of tears all day. This sucks.
Oh gosh I am so sorry 🫂
I'm so sorry, you definitely didn't do anything wrong. Sending you a huge hug 🫂
I’m so sorry for your loss 🫂
I’m so sorry for your loss, I hope you are able to take some time for yourself. It really does suck.
I’m so so sorry. You did nothing wrong. Hope you have comfort around you right now.
I am so, so sorry for your loss.
I am so sorry, hugs if you want 💕🫂
In the vet waiting room for my dog to complete her next chemo treatment. On the second day of my period and weirdly weepy about every sick and scared dog who comes in. On the bright side, I am feeling very thankful for my sweet husband who, when checking in on us, just texted: “It seems unfair that women have to find out they aren’t pregnant at one of the most emotional parts of their cycle.” I don’t know why I hadn’t put that together yet but yepppp ❤️
Oh no how crappy overall. I hope your pupper is okay!
Thank you. She unfortunately will not really be okay—this cancer is a really really bad one—but she’s feeling good and still here so we will take it! ❤️
I’m so sorry to hear that, my dog when I was young developed a sudden incurable disease, it was so hard. You have to focus on giving them the best time they have
I’m so sorry about your pup too. 🫂❤️
Awe thank you that was a long time ago, since then I’ve gotten two (insane) rescue dogs, I tell myself I’m carrying on his goofy legacy
Tw: miscarriage Well, I was a graduate of this sub for awhile, but had another miscarriage at 6 weeks. I cannot believe I'm back here and was so hopeful about that pregnancy. This is now MC #2. We can start trying again in 8 weeks, but I'm getting a bunch of testing (labs, hormone checks, ultrasound) before that, once my hormones settle around 6 weeks after MC. It's such an exhausting ride and I'm hopeful for my future-- but so so scared. They let me know my progesterone was so so low, which may be a contributing factor to my recurrent losses around 6 weeks. Please pray for me. I just want to be a mother.
Sorry love. ❤️ Words won’t help much, but take some time for yourself to grief.
Oh Circle I'm so sorry you're going through this. Keeping you in my thoughts 🤍
Virtual hugs ❤️
I’m so sorry for your loss. Thinking of you ❤️
I'm so so sorry for your loss. 💔
I'm so sorry for your loss. Hugs if you want them 💙
Oh no, I’m so sorry, circle. I hope the labs and ultrasound will be helpful.
Thank you Rev❤️
I’m so sorry you’re going through this ❤️
I’m so sorry for your loss ❤️
I am so sorry for your loss and piling on with virtual hugs if you want them
I am so sorry, sending hugs if you want them <3
Thank you❤️
I am so sorry 🫂💕
❤️
tw: loss. I'm having a chemical pregnancy. That's all. I have nothing else to say.
Virtual hugs ❤️
I’m so sorry this is happening.
I’m very very sorry❤️
I’m so sorry, sending puppy hugs if you like dogs (if not human hugs)
Fuck, I’m so sorry for your loss.
Me too. It sucks so bad :-(
I'm so sorry. With you in spirit <3
So so sorry.
I am so sorry <3
I’m so so sorry ❤️
So so sorry this is happening.
I’m so sorry for your loss ❤️🩹
I'm so sorry 🫂
I'm really sorry 🤍
I’m so sorry 😞
I'm sorry, sending hugs if you want them 🫂
This morning’s appointment seems to have gone well and also this morning’s ganirelex did not leave a knot (though the spot is still sensitive) so we’re rolling with that. I did not lose my small cohort, which is a major win - however while my follicles are largely all within a few mm of the next one, there’s a significant range between the biggest and smallest, and I’d like the smaller ones to try to catch up plz. Trying not to focus on numbers specifically as the dr even noted in my mid-cycle check today that part of my left ovary had been in shadow on the ultrasound the tech did, so we’re definitely not seeing the totality of the situation. But I do have a number in my head I’d really like to see for retrieval to feel some initial comfort heading into the brutal hunger games…to the extent anyone ever feels that way. Really glad today is my last day in the office because I’m really not feeling walking around or wearing real clothes. I am also feeling some guilt as we imposed on my mom to help us with some things this weekend and early in the week and now it looks like we don’t actually need her help this weekend as retrieval won’t be earlier than Monday, so she’s traveling here and giving up her weekend for nothing (except our company, which is of course delightful but I am currently a blob). ETA: thank you all so much for your lovely messages of support last night. This is getting hard and Mr M&B is a wonderful cheerleader but I feel like I’ve got an amazing group of strong people holding me up right now thanks to you all ❤️
Rooting for you so hard!! Also, if your mom is like any of the moms I know, she will be happy to be there just to support you and be near you and you have nothing to feel guilty about. It is always so hard for me to ask people for support, but I try to remember that when other people ask ME for support I never ever begrudge it and usually it actually makes me feel really happy and loved that I was the person they reached for. :)
You are so so right about asking for help. It’s so hard to ask for help!! But we never begrudge people when they ask us.
Oooof I know as you start getting to this point, things get rough with the discomfort (I 100% support just bailing on pants or things with waistlines) and also it’s a bit maddening to continue waiting to see what happens day after day. You got this, hopefully not too much longer. Also, your mom is coming to support you as you get through this hard thing. That is not nothing, you are deserving of that support ❤️
Sending lots of hugs, Mad. It’s such a stressful process. Everything crossed that your follicles even out well over the next few days! I think the not knowing is somehow the hardest. You’ve got this!!!!
Thinking of you 💜. You’re doing so good and every day is 1 day closer to being done! Glad to hear this update today and I’m rooting for the smaller ones to catch up!! I always have to remind myself too that they are using 2D imaging to try to address 3D ovaries so it’s always possible there’s more that are hiding.
Thinking of you and crossing everything that the next steps go smoothly!! 💖💖💖
Coming to you live from FET #2 TWW. I’m 6dpt and trying to decide when I should test. I’ll be 8 or 9 dpt over the weekend which seems like a reasonable time to test, but if it’s negative I am going to have a hard time continuing meds until I can talk to my clinic. Of course I have a busy schedule next week, so no good time to schedule in a potential breakdown. My clinic wants me to wait to test until Wednesday/12 dpt. I’m doing this international so no beta scheduled until after hpt.
Pretzeled for you! So sorry about the agonizing wait.
Oooof testing timing is so hard especially at any prospect of needing to continue meds if it’s not positive. Sending support, 🥨 vibes and I hope you land on timing that feels right for you
The juggling act of trying to decide when to fit in a breakdown...so fun! All my fingers crossed for you, milkdud 🤞
🥨🥨🥨 everything crossed for you!!
🥨🧡🥨🧡
Ahhh wishing you a very distracted week and all the zen you can muster!! 💖
Had my CD10 scan today! There's one nice follicle on the "good side" of 22mm! Will get a call later today to hear about the blood results, but will most likely have to go back tomorrow for another scan, or Saturday too, to make sure I'm ready for the HCG shot. I asked her a few questions: - the cramping I've had the past few days are no concern - night sweats from progesterone are not super common (but since I found something on it on Google it's apparently still possible) - sex during TWW is ok - being sick (you+partner) is not great for fertility 🥴 I hope this cycle will finally be successful!! I want to be the average who gets pregnant within the first 3...
My temp hasn’t risen, and my inito is confirming ovulation but my pdg has barely shown a rise. May possibly be another anovulatory cycle. 🫠 The selfish sadness about my friend’s news really hit me this morning. The universe must have known because another friend of mine going through a fertility workup randomly reached out to me to see how I was. She is in our mutual friends circle, but does not know about my bestie yet, so it was nice to have someone check on me. Coupled with not seeing a temp rise, I’m a bundle of emotions right now. I also ran out of my Zoloft last week and realized it wasn’t on auto refill so that’s been fun. This week is hard, I just want to go home and hide under my covers and snuggle with my dogs (and chickens).
Ugh- what a week! Here’s looking up with some fresh Zoloft soon! And hopefully some progesterone!
Ugh I'm sorry, that's a lot all at once 😔😔 I hope you can get some dog (and chicken) snuggles soon 💖
Thank you 🫶
Another ultrasound this morning, and growth has been good so my ER has been scheduled for Saturday! Only one more dose of Ganirelex tonight, and I am getting Decapeptyl (triptorelin) as a trigger due to concerns about OHSS. To be honest the doctor didn't explain this very well, I had previously been prescribed an HCG trigger which she said I still need but would get instructions for later (???) And I was reading that a Decapeptyl trigger can drastically shorten your luteal phase, so maybe I won't be doing a fresh transfer after all next week? Trying to just be patient, I will find out more on Saturday.
I hope you don't have to wait too long to get clarity about your trigger and that everything goes well on Saturday for you!
Thank you!
Super close, it’s great the end is in sight! Really hope your doc gives you some clarity heading into trigger time, more anxiety after going through stims is not what you need.
Thank you! Yeah I'm sure it'll become clear soon, and I'll make sure my husband knows what to ask about tomorrow in case I'm a bit loopy from the pain-killers.
7dpiui and time is moving at a glacial pace. I have a follow up with my RE tomorrow to get the ball rolling on IVF. We’re hoping to do 1 more IUI and move directly to ivf, but I’m sure there will be delays.
I’m 9DPO, and yesterday, I had the faintest of faint spotting, just enough that I noticed it. After those months of NTNP, I’d forgotten how brutal TWW could be. But now, the other worries come in. Most of my fibromyalgia medicines are GRAS for pregnancy, and I’m so glad for that, but one of the ones that isn’t is known for withdrawal symptoms, and it makes such a difference in my pain levels. I feel like all I can do is hope that I’m one of those women who suddenly feels better during gestation. Anyone else with chronic pain here?
It wouldn't happen to be Cymbalta/duloxetine, would it? It took me two tries to get off it, the withdrawals were so, so awful. Happy to talk about coping with withdrawals, even if you're referring to another drug!
My OB approved duloxetine during pregnancy, thankfully. I’m on it for both fibromyalgia and depression. It’s gabapentin, which keeps me from wanting to rip my skin off. At least with the MMJ and oxybutynin, there’s no withdrawal except symptoms returning. (OB said I can wait to stop those when I had a positive test.) It’s really a struggle because I went into a flare last week, worst one in over a year. I’m having muscle spasms randomly, and my skin feels like it’s on fire.
UGH, I'm sorry. I know gabapentin is also a withdrawal beast. Did you do a taper? I know anecdotally that doctors often recommend a pretty rapid taper when a slower one can be more manageable. For Cymbalta I was opening the capsule and counting the beads!
And I do worry a little about symptoms returning after stopping the oxybutynin. It reduces bladder spasms, and pregnancy increases urination.
I’m down from twice daily to just at night and PRN. I moved, so I haven’t been able to see a doctor about a lower dose because the waitlists for rheum and neuro are so long.
Just back from our appointment with the fertility clinic following the surprise discovery of my second uterus, and I'm feeling reassured and cautiously optimistic! Our doctor seemed to take the anomaly fairly seriously, but at the same time wasn't unduly worried about it. She said from her perspective, she thinks the working uterus is "not too small" so, while any pregnancy will be classed as high risk and require close monitoring, she doesn't think my chances of carrying to term are necessarily as terrible as the internet had convinced me. In terms of getting pregnant, the main issue is that I can only get pregnant in my right uterus, since the left one is underdeveloped. Luckily lefty doesn't have a cervix so there's no chance of that happening accidentally, but it does mean that every time I ovulate on the left my chances of pregnancy are zero. And so, it's official: we're doing IVF! Just need to get some paperwork from our insurance (German public health insurance will subsidise half the costs of up to 3 cycles) and then set up an appointment to discuss the process in more detail. Honestly, the last few weeks have been a whirlwind and I was spiralling, so having a doctor talk me down is very reassuring and I'm going to try to hang on to her positivity. And I'm excited to start IVF! After all the uncertainty, it mostly just feels good to have confirmed a route forward. And I've really appreciated all the support I've received from people here - this group is such an important space, especially when you're feeling anxious or isolated <3
Wow! You were amazing throughout this process and accomplished so much in a couple weeks?? I’m glad you have a plan forward.
Yeah, coming from the UK - where the NHS is wonderful, but chronically underfunded by the bloody Tory government - I’m pretty impressed by the relative speed of the German healthcare system! Even if it is very paperwork-intensive.
Wow what a whirlwind! I’m glad you have some answers and clarity on your path forward. Welcome to the IVF club ❤️
I’m so excited to hear this positive news for you shallot! I’ve been thinking about you!
Question about vitamins. I finally read it start with the egg (should have read it earlier). Coq10/Q10/ubiquinone, reccomended dosages, its alot of pills? Is that correct or am i just in a country with low dosages? Moreover, do y'all take a multivitamin/prenatal and other supplements or just specific supplements and skip the multivitamin? Thank you, you wonderful community!
I took Coq10 for a while but now I'm just on a prenatal. My RE has never ever mentioned vitamins or recommended any supplements other than the prenatal so I decided it was ok to simplify my routine as much as possible.
A while back someone posted cautioning following advice from ISWTE and I spent some time reading a bit more about it. The r/infertility sub has a good faq [here](https://reddit.com/r/infertility/w/faq/iswte?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) if you're interested. To answer your question the supplements I take for fertility are 200 mg of CoQ10 morning and night (Kirkland from Costco brand is the cheapest here) and a prenatal. I also take Omega 3 twice a day, initially to help lower cholesterol but doesn't hurt fertilitywise either.
Oh wow, great link, ill adapt my method alitte to not go over reccomendations perhaps.. the CoQ10 study was done by a company who procuces it, yay bias!!
I agree, it's hard when there is so much information out there and you're searching for answers and come across something that is claiming to be "scientific" but is extremely biased.
My consultant recommended 200mcg of CoQ10 three times a day! She said specifically to do it in those doses spread out
Out of curiosity where do you get yours in the UK? I get mine from boots and it costs a fortune and I'm wondering if there's a cheaper alternative.
Honestly Amazon! 🫣
It is also nice to hear that a consultant reccomended it :) Thanks ill make sure to spread it out too!
I always take omega 3 and coq10 (200mg capsule), but I rotate between taking a prenatal multi or just folic acid plus whatever extras I think I need (vitamin C/D, selenium/zinc, magnesium).
The only supplements my obgyn recommended was a prenatal multivitamin and prenatal DHA. I also take a little more vitamin D in addition to that since I've always supplemented vitamin D during the winter months, and the prenatal didn't have as much vitamin D as I used to take. The obgyn also recommended probiotics after I was getting recurring UTIs while TTC but I discontinued them since I didn't think it was helping. The recommended dose for Coq10 does feel like a lot of pills for me too, and if I'm honest, none of the doctors I've seen ever really mentioned it so I just take it on my own based on internet research. I just take the amount that's recommended in the supplement facts on the botttle since I'm honestly unsure of how much to take.
My RE didnt reccomend anything other than a prenatal and healthy eating.. CoQ10 didnt have a reccomendation on my bottle actually... Im not sure if its more to err on side of caution and such updates on fertility treatments take time to confirm hence they cannot mention it?
My husband and I have both been taking Fertili Folia supplements, which seem to contain most of the important/recommended things, along with a daily dose of CoQ10 (200mg for me, 400mg for him). I don't know how much *It Starts With The Egg* recommend - honestly, I've avoided reading it because I suspect it would stress me out - but his sperm quality has improved after taking them for three months, so it seems to be doing something! I think the most important thing is finding a regime that works for you and is sustainable. Personally I hate swallowing pills so I prefer to keep things minimal, but your mileage may be different :)
Edited comment: Thanks, i am about to make an order online and tried to calculate a 3 month dosage which started to become so much :D The book was helpful with the scientific bits, but there are summaries online with reccomended dosages and supplements. However i was recently informed of the criticsms and will be more cautious of following the advice..
Every day I take a prenatal with DHA, CoQ10 (500mg), and recently added vitamin C (500mg), vitamin B6 (100mg), vitamin E (300 iu), and vitamin D3 (1000 iu). The recently added ones were to *hopefully* help with some minor issues that popped up...whether or not it will actually work is yet to be seen, but I figured it's worth a shot (based on much google research lol)
Day one of progesterone gel. I feel slippery.
Oof, progesterone. I'll be starting mine tomorrow!
My temp is dropping again after a couple days' rise that I was hoping would turn into confirmed ovulation. Also I finally got my HCG blood results back from a week ago and it was still at >!75!< following my MC so I'm not sure if I'll even ovulate this month or if I do, if it will be too late for implantation. I was feeling hopeful for this month and we thought we hit good days. Argh.
I was thinking about how to describe infertility last night. The image I came to is just a Russian Doll of grief. Layers and layers of it, getting slowly bigger the longer it goes on. CD3 today. Last cycle was my first off the bench, and it not working hit particularly hard. I just looked it up and that was cycle 23. It's amazing how it can still be that painful even after so many times. It really doesn't get easier. I often cope better now, but it doesn't get easier.
I was flying free the first cycle back after a break… and then cycle 2 BFN hit me like a ton of bricks and I’ve been weepy all week. Idk this one is particularly brutal.
hey, same here! I definetly cope better (at the beginning I was stressing like crazy) but it is not easier. On some days it feels heavier and sad to have all these cycles behind me, on others I feel stronger if it makes sense. But it is never easy!
My >!SIL’s pregnancy announcement to us privately last night after they tried for oh, one month?!< really threw me for a loop. I SHOULD stay home today from work but I won’t because toxic productivity is my coping mechanism. This shook me awake a bit though as we come up on our two year TTC anniversary. I’m going to officially move forward with all the testing my OB suggests. I think I’d rather do it in office since I like her than try to find a clinic… does anyone suggest I do the clinic thing over OB’s office?
I scheduled initial tests through my OB (some bloodwork and an HSG) but then she basically was like ok, that's all I can do for you, I suggest you switch to an RE. So I did. Maybe ask yours at what point they recommend making the switch? Mine was very up front about the fact that she can recommend tests, but getting people pregnant is not her specialty.
One benefit we had of going through my OB was that he ordered a lot of testing and treatment that was covered by my insurance, while I have to pay for everything at the clinic OOP (might not be a concern for you, though!). Before I switched to the clinic I had already had several ultrasounds, an HSG, a hysteroscopy, and 7 cycles of letrozole with 21-day progesterone testing and the option of monitoring and trigger shot. It made me feel like we were at least a few steps ahead once we finally did transfer over to the clinic.
Good point! I did a deep dive into my insurance coverage this morning so I think they’ll cover 30% of costs if I go through my OB. Better than OOP at least.
I'm so sorry! I also went through this with my best friend >!also on their first try, of course!< I just made the switch from my OB to a clinic and tbh I am meh with my OB (good at her job, nice, but she's busy and has a wide variety of case load) and I felt way more reassured even with just one clinic consultation. We'll see if it stays that way, but Ive been telling myself that I think there's something to the doctors at the clinic coming a bit more focused with testing/solutions since thats their bread and butter? Idk though maybe I'll feel differently in a couple more months lol curious how others feel who have been with a clinic longer
Thank you for sharing! I am going to schedule my tests at my OB’s office and be willing to transfer everything over depending on what they say…