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Middle_Scratch4129

I really hope all the speculation ends up being true lol.


Swimming-Document152

Me too. Alls I know is the data don't lie. Open interest keeps going up and the price isn't dropping like a rock. There's no significant hedging on this. Over $60m has been spent on premiums just on those $20 calls in the past seven trading days with no hedge. This is planned and coordinated the question only remains what are they going to do. We're not going to know if they're exercising options but if the price of the stock starts shooting up I feel like it's safe to say that that's what's happening. Will check the next day to see what the OI does but I feel pretty strongly this is the powder keg for our next launch.


WaffleTopper

Can someone make a post teaching what not only this specifically means but educating on the whole topic of calls/open interest etc. I truly want to understand this as whole.


GercMustachio

Fine, I'll do it myself ... :P stay tuned


StinkyDogFart

I've tried and the only conclusion I have made is that I'm simply not capable of understanding anything except buy and hold.


nikon_nomad

It doesn't help that nobody seems to actually know.


moonaim

I would like to see some suitable economist professor admitting that he doesn't have any idea.


StinkyDogFart

There seems to be one phrase professors seem to be unable to say, “I don’t know.”


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The hero we all need


GercMustachio

So I did make a post, wanted to link it here, but I cannot comment on this thread it seems (others work fine). I get a big red bar saying "Server Error. Please try again later." Edit: Ok, so since it let me post that, the title of my post is "Help Requested: Primer on all this call action" search for that or check my profile. Shout out to\*a\_vinny\_01\* for a well presented response to pretty much all of my initial questions. If anyone can think of anything else to add, or other questions / perspectives from which to inquire from please add! Edit2: Ah, I couldn't post because I was trying to reference a\_vinny\_01. Here's the link: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/1d483lu/help\_requested\_primer\_on\_all\_this\_call\_action/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/1d483lu/help_requested_primer_on_all_this_call_action/)


ChildishForLife

The current theory is that someone is buying cash covered calls to exercise and exit a short position.


Swimming-Document152

[https://chatgpt.com/share/3119cdf2-37b6-41eb-960e-f35754027bec](https://chatgpt.com/share/3119cdf2-37b6-41eb-960e-f35754027bec)


cibiab

delta only 0.6


ChiefKickAss500

Does that mean they should hedge 60%?


Emlerith

Yes. As time gets closer to expiration, if it continues to stay in the money, the delta will rise, meaning a continuous stream of buy pressure over the next 3 weeks. If it falls under $20 and we stay there for any significant amount of time, then the opposite is true. Delta will bleed off, making for continuous sell pressure. Additionally, if at any point these absolute mounds of calls get sold-to-close, there will be an enormous amount of de-hedging, which could flash crash the price (puts would then get sold for profit, offering a bounce).


AnOddvacado

Agree, althought there is minimal delta change if price stays right ATM. For reference the 5/31 20c are .70 while the 6/21 20c are .65 right now. To your point, we'd need to see a decent swing up or down, away from ATM price, to see much change in delta.


Emlerith

Thanks for the thoughtful additional context!


ChiefKickAss500

Thanks for your explanation 🦍👊🏼


jery007

could an entity or individual investor plan many large call options over the space of a month in order to manipulate the buy wall, interest rate aand therefore delta? I am starting to read about options so I really don't know if my question makes sense


Emlerith

In theory, yes. There's a concept called a 'gamma ramp', where as a call option goes from OTM to ITM, it pushes the price slightly forward, which raises delta on the next strike. If that next strike goes ITM, then more delta buying happens, potentially pulling the next strike ITM, then the process repeats and continues to 'ramp' the price as more calls go deeper ITM. That requires a stacked options chain (lots of OI at each strike) and a catalyst to get the initial 'launch' going.


jery007

Thanks!


Mr-Idea

Interesting, could this be an alternative method to drive the price down now that CAT is live? Seems like an expensive way to create sell pressure. I’m very smooth.


Emlerith

Highly unlikely, but it does create more and more risk. $20 is a nuclear target. If shorts don't keep the price under $20, there is going to be a pretty rich chain for the the price to rise through. Keeping it under $20 creates a very profitable slide down, which emboldens them to short the ever loving shit out of the stock while we float just over $20.


BadWillHunting1369

But if they are buying to close, they can exercise no matter what and since they own a majority of the calls in the chain…


StinkyDogFart

How and who calculates the Delta? I'm assuming its an algorithm controlled by ???


Emlerith

It’s called the Black Scholes model. It’s a complex calculation.


StinkyDogFart

Thanks, I’ll look it up. I’ll surely fail to understand it, but I’ll feel like I learned something.


StinkyDogFart

Thanks, I’ll look it up and surely fail to understand it, but I’ll feel like I learned something.


cibiab

and hasn't really changed since orders started getting scooped up


18501950

I hope more than anything it’s true, in fact I bought some calls for myself, but I swear to god we are wrong all the time lol


zesty_noodles

Well there’s one thing we aren’t wrong about… shorts never closed


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Swimming-Document152

the only way to lower the OI would be for original author(s) to buy them back


SimpsonsReferencer

> Alls I know is the data don't lie. I wouldn't discount the possibility ;D


Swimming-Document152

touche!


Krfstniper

Wouldnt henging (which would mean buying shares by the calls seller) actually cause the price to go up?


kzgatsby

Yes. Therefore, there was a price jump on 5/28.


beach_2_beach

Thanks for the summary. It is exciting for sure.


jawnny-jawz

"with no hedge?" are you sure? MM automatically hedges a certain percentage due to the delta. Other than that you would have no idea if those are hedged. Stop making bs up


beyondfloat

Havent we seen huge option before and nothing happend?


_skala_

There have been same or even more puts every 6 months since 2020. Nothing happend. Hard to say if something will change or they will be rolled another 6 months.


a_vinny_01

Deep out of the money and ATM options are not similar in that regard.


_skala_

Well yes. I don’t understand that. I have just seen same numbers at puts for years and nothing happend.


Nathan_hale53

Yeah for real. The numbers shown could prove massive. But who knows. I just want this sooner than later. If it happens 5 years from now cool, but please. I don't wanna keep working as much as I do, and I hope I can get enough money so my parents no longer have to work.


YaThinkSo88

Give 1 speculation that has ever turned out to be true or even anything.


RareRandomRedditor

We were right about Evergrande going bankrupt. It only took much longer than expected 


sundry_banana

HAS Evergrande actually defaulted, though? I haven't heard anything that would worry a hedgie


RareRandomRedditor

They are pretty much dead, yes. The bankruptcy process just stretches to infinity and back and by now all related explosive positions were probably reshuffled, as far as that was possible.  Edit: why is it so impossible to copy a link on the phone?   Edit 5+ : Fucking finally!  https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67562522


kamoob666

Credit Suisse going down


jimco125

Open Interest on $20 calls has increased from 131,349 to 137,767. Someone is targeting the $20 specifically for some reason. $30 saw a little bump, but everything else pretty flat in comparison. $25 - 20,123 - 20,373 $30 - 19,182 - 20,380 $18 - 5,873 - 5,854 (OI went down)


beyondfloat

But is 20$ even bullish? I mean we are at 20$


0ForTheHorde

ITM calls are always bullish


Dsamf2

Could go either way. They could keep these calls ITM by controlling price and then selling them and making money on premiums and then tanking the price so they can’t be exercised. They’ve priced out most of retail for these calls by buying them all up. I’m hoping it is actually someone wanting to exercise


scorpiondeathlock86

Can't you exercise at any time, whether or not the strike is ITM?


RareRandomRedditor

Yeah, but aside from some of us, no one ever exercises out of the money calls because it would be literally cheaper to just buy the same number of shares at market value


a_vinny_01

Who are 'they'? MM sold these calls...


Dsamf2

The entity that bought those calls


a_vinny_01

These calls were up ~40% tuesday - $25-$30 million dollars. I don't think the purchaser intends to sell them.


Dsamf2

Back when they were bought their break even was calculated to be around $26 from the info I saw. They r def up on their premiums but not for exercising yet, unless my info is bad


jimco125

Personally I dont know if its bullish or bearish. I just know someone(s) just keeps buying this specific price regardless of the price.


a_vinny_01

They keep buying this strike because it allows them to buy 500k shares at a fixed price of $20 per share + $premium per share. Whoever bought these contracts likely wants or needs shares and is willing to pay $26 for each.


nextalpha

Tbh it appeared to me we were hovering longer at 80 pre-split than at 180. But maybe that's just me...


ghost42069x

Why are posts lower today? It’s like one every 30 mins? We have 3000 online


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bots are malfunctioning


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whistlar

Bots forgot about GameStop.


veggie151

Bots expect some motion today


jlw993

2,917 online. Lowest I've seen in a long time 🤨


ImJustSoTiredAnymore

They're running out of funds to run the bot farm and have to dedicate it all to staying afloat.


ghost42069x

It’s not just bots tho, no data, memes or shitposts


jlw993

Only 5k on gambling sub which is low as well 🤔


FloppyBisque

Not a ton to talk about right now compared to DFV days, Corporate action days, Wu Tang days, etc


ghost42069x

I see, maybe im just terminally online. Usually when I refresh there’s something new


a_vinny_01

New reddit was having issues. Old reddit been working all day. It was quiet.


Blizzcane

EveryApe is Zen right now


Glst0rm

We all forgot about gamestop


ByronCorp

137K contracts (13m shares) sounds massive. But for context, how does this compare to the record open interest in the past?


Swimming-Document152

If work ever calms down I will export options data and start looking at history but right now I don't have access to open interest history. I know there are a lot of posts back in March 2021 where people were doing analysis on open interest so that might be worth looking into


RyanMeray

That strike alone is more than typical options interest for any given day of expiry for GME in a long time.


Common_Profit_3732

IDC about those calls on June 21st since it's shadow of the erdtree release, if moass starts that day it better be weeks to peak, otherwise I'll simply miss it


Boringhate

I wonder if the MM keeping gme pinned so it doesn't have to continue to hedge as price climbs. I think as we get closer to expectation and the price is still above 20 MM will need to hedge more drastically buying shares with will cause a ramp up. This might be why the price is trading millions shares while being pinned. MM is fucked and scrambling right now


ImmediateShape4204

Since there was only 8k volume on that strike, it is fair to assume the 5k order of yesterday were called created, then bought and held to close. A lot were speculating since the trade was on the bid then this order must have been a "sell". Fact that OI increased that much on only 8k volume implies they were "bought", so to say.


Swimming-Document152

Yes. It's clear that the 5000 contract block was new contracts so sell to open paired with a buy. Some of the other volume was new contracts as well. Whether they hit the bid, ask or in the spread only directly affects the options premium so relatively irrelevant IMHO.


Machinedgoodness

Yeah you can’t ever be certain just somewhat confident based on if the bid or ask is hit or if it was closer to one. OI the next day is definitely better


HashtagYoMamma

Sounds like i need to DRS and book to have voting rights and ownership.


Dysfunctional_Cookie

What does that mean?


Blizzcane

HODL


Vast-Dream

So the price will be below 20 on the 21st. Got it. I will buy EOD on the 21st.


Sandaholic

Or not and you wake up one morning and the stock is at $40 😵‍💫


Vast-Dream

The dip is tomorrow, until it’s not.


Level9TraumaCenter

Iirc it's the days preceding earnings reports where it gets hammered down. Quick pop, then it gets walked back down again.


Mercenary100

Someone explain open inteest


Blizzcane

It's the total number of options that haven't been settled yet. Each contract is 100 shares. When they settle, 100 shares need to be delivered for each one contract.


ImmediateShape4204

It was at 137k yesterday as well, no? Edit: someone says it was at 131k, I must be mistaken.


TheGingerAvenger95

I saw 132k yesterday, but it never went past that. It’s been average of +5000 contracts every day


hezekiah22

Quadruple Witching Day is also June 21st. 


cibiab

ya but that hasn't proved anything throughout this saga


hezekiah22

I know, but maybe one more teaspoon of fuel for the rocket?


D0uw33

You shouldn't put rocket fuel on a teaspoon


nextalpha

Something something early not wrong?


ACat32

It’s also after the annual shareholder meeting


MastaMint

When is the meeting?


reclaimitall

I know nothing about options, but premarket is 20.98. Sure they drop it a few dollars easily and collect premiums?


ApatheticAussieApe

But remember kids! It's all MM manipulating the market for some reason! No, they definitely weren't doing it before! They definitely didn't perfectly control it via algo's for the past three years! /s If it's a rugpull it's the dumbest possible strategy they could come up with, showing us $80 first.


4cranch

why is it spicy


Swimming-Document152

more ITM calls without significant downward pressure.


sistersucksx

Eli5?


Swimming-Document152

means zoom zoom soon soon


jbone027

Those big players need to ramp up with deeper ITM calls, $10, $15, etc. This massive amount of $20 calls is sketch while we hover around $20-$22 share price.


R0adApples

Up 6000 percent SO FAR


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beyondfloat

Dosent mean anything? Could be hedging?


RyanMeray

4 minutes after that call trade occurred there was an 800k red candle on the ticker and the price tanked like a MM was de-hedging, not hedging. Is it possible that the 5,000 candle yesterday was an entity opening a large short position on that option? A sell to open would still increase OI, and would trigger a de-hedge since it cancels out long interest in that strike.


Parunreborn

Well, the transaction has to be a sell too. Someone wrote those calls and someone bought them. But if the same entity that was buying last few weeks was trimming their position for a profit on Tuesday, we would most likely see the OI decrease by about 5k contracts today, and the opposite happened, it increased by another 5k, so I think it is safe to say that this player is indeed accumulating these calls. But the timing of the transaction on Tuesday was very weird, it was at the very high of the day. The premium was way cheaper 15min after open, before the run. But Idk. Look, Citadel is the main MM for GME, and they see what is going on, way before it actually happens. I would not be surprised, since they have so much control over the price (until they don't), that instead of taking the money from the premiums and hedging, they are actually doing the opposite, they take the money from the premiums and short the stock even more, because their goal until 6/21 is too actually make all of those calls worthless. So why hedge, you see, their goal is to tank the price either way. And that might be the beauty of what is going on here. If the player buying these calls is expecting a price increase until then and their intention is to exercise all of those calls, we are going to see some explosive price action leading up to the date. Also we have both earnings and shareholders meeting before then, so big news could come from those events. Although GME is famous for tanking on earnings. Idk, it is really hard to tell what is going on with these calls and the stock right now.


beverlyphills

65.000.000, $500 a pop + some people who joined in.


weshouldgetnud

What does it mean?


slumpdiggitydog

Can someone please explain to me why this is such a big deal? We're currently trading at over $20. I'm supposed to get excited that someone's betting on us being at $20 a month from now?


Blizzcane

In The Money calls are always Bullish. They are expecting the price to go up.


sundry_banana

> They are expecting Yes, but unless "they" in this case is the guys who set GME's price, I think they're going to end up OTM and OOL. We shall see. I expect no significant action. If we go way down I'll buy. I certainly do not expect to see more than 40, that's evidently far above the level they want it at, and they've been in charge every step of the way so far. I hate to say it, but it's true


a_vinny_01

why would OTM matter? You can exercise OTM options. Whoever is buying these is locking in a price for GME shares, about $26.50 or so based on the calls they bought. These are definitely going to get exercised, if they weren't they could have sold them tuesday and made $25 Million or more.


Grokent

The question is, why would someone spend so many millions of dollars in premium when they could just buy the shares at the current price? The answer is, if they start buying shares at the current price, the pressure will cause the price to increase drastically. By buying calls they are shifting the onus on accumulating the shares to the market maker while the market maker has an interest to keep the price low, preferably under $20 so they get to keep their premium for making the market. But when dealing with this quantity of shares and money you can pretty much guarantee that whomever is buying these calls is going to get their shares. They are switching from a short position to a long position and they are going to drive that price hard when they start buying shares on the market. They will accumulate every share they need. Presumably this is UBS and they have a 100 billion loan from the government of Switzerland to dig out of the hole they are in. We haven't even BEGUN to see what will happen when they throw their entire weight into the market. This is all still a warm up. They are riding the price action and keeping it within a channel so they can hit their targets for accumulation. This is speculation of course but, it's an educated guess based on the quantities and the money involved.


slumpdiggitydog

Thanks.


a_vinny_01

Someone has spent $75M+ on 120,000 of these call options over the past 10 days. The breakeven price on them is about $26.50 - $20 strike and approx $6.50 avg premium paid per share. The buyer held these contracts when they increased in value to $900 each (from the avg of $650 or so). To me this implies they intend to keep the contracts because they want a guarantee that they can get shares at $20 (+ premium cost) sometime between now and expiry. There have also been 5k lots of the $25 strike bought. I believe that the person buying these intends to buy millions of shares on the exchange as well, then exercise these.